WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:10.000 This is open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO paranormal researcher and journalist, 2 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:17.399 Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to open Minds Radio, your UFO 3 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:23.559 news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we are back in the Open mind 4 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.199 studio. As those of you who are watching the video can tell. Remember 5 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:36.240 you can watch us besides just hearing us live or on archive at openminds dot 6 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.719 tv. So it looks like we got a few chatters and I should start 7 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:45.200 the blog talk chat. Sorry, blog talker there, you go chat with 8 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:48.840 us. Remember, if you have any questions, you can go to the 9 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.640 chat. You can ask your questions. We'll get them in there. And 10 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:57.759 you're going to want to ask lots of questions today because we have hopefully an 11 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:02.399 incredible guest. We haven't had that been able to get a hold of him 12 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.000 unfortunately, so hopefully we'll get him on the line in the next few minutes. 13 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:11.319 But George Filer, he was an Air Force pilot and intelligence officer, 14 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:19.159 and he has had some extraordinary UFO encounters, including, believe it or not, 15 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.959 a crazy encounter with extra terrestrials that we'll be talking about. He's a 16 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.200 really great guy. Many of you who are in this field know him by 17 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:36.280 Filer's files because he was so interested by everything that happened to him that he 18 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:42.040 started sending out emails with news and sightings and information. He's also a move 19 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:47.519 fun director for the Northeast, so I'm really excited to talk to him. 20 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.239 He's got a great sense of humor, a funny guy, and maybe I 21 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.280 shouldn't talk to him too much just in case he doesn't make it and we 22 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.519 have to have Antonio again. But Antonio is wonderful, so it'll still be 23 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.840 a great show and you'll still want to ask lots of questions. So go 24 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.639 check out the chat Openminds dot tv. Right now. You'll notice that we're 25 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.840 at our new time, seven pm. We're going to be going a full 26 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:19.639 hour and a half without commercials, with just me and Jason and the guests 27 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.560 and a lot of news and info. So this is going to be really 28 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:28.719 awesome. This is by request lots of listeners asking that we go to this 29 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.719 format, so we said, okay, quitch and wine and we'll go back. 30 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.400 Just kidding, but radio was a lot of fun. But it is 31 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.759 a lot of fun to get because as you know, you know, we 32 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:44.199 always get cut off, can't get out to all the details. And I 33 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:49.759 want to remind everyone again that the UFO Congress, we're going to be putting 34 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:57.080 that on here in the Phoenix metro area and that will be February twenty third 35 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.159 to the twenty seventh. We're already taking registrant. You're gonna want to get 36 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:07.759 in early because really there are a limited number of rooms available at the hotel, 37 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.520 so you're gonna want to get in. We've bought out the entire hotel, 38 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.719 so it's going to be just UFO junkies, so you want to get 39 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.919 in early. Remember you could go to Ufocongress dot com or open Minds dot 40 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:24.560 tv to register, So register early and at Ufocongress dot com. We've also 41 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:29.800 got the majority of the speakers, so we've we're our way ahead of the 42 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:34.960 game. We really have our stuff together like nobody's business. And we've got 43 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.319 most of the guests already listed out. Lots of exciting guests. I'm excited 44 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:43.080 to see every one of them. I'm excited to see George Filer, who 45 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.039 we're going to have as a guest, and I'd be really excited if he 46 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.360 would. We could get a hold of him here so we can have him 47 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.599 on our show as planned. But anyway, what we usually talked about this 48 00:03:53.759 --> 00:04:00.639 time is news. However, Jason really frustrated me this week and I fired 49 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.319 him. Just kidding. We're still going to talk about news Open Minds dot 50 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:11.159 TV practically daily. We have news headlines up and these are conventional headlines where 51 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.719 you know, news agencies are talking about UFOs and UFOs are in the news 52 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.759 a lot. And Jason McClellan, our news correspondent, is here sitting right 53 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.759 next to me instead of across the board like before, to tell us all 54 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.639 about the news. Jason, how are you? I'm excellent, my friend, 55 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.199 how are you? That's magic. He's telepathively doing this too. You 56 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.959 notice he doesn't need a microphone. He's even more talented than I am. 57 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:42.560 Your brain is a microphone. Hello world, This is your Open Minds news 58 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:47.079 breef for Monday, August thirtieth, twenty ten. Author Leslie Keene made her 59 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:53.319 appearance on The Cober Report last week to talk about her book UFOs General Pilots 60 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.000 and government Officials Go on the Record. On the show, she mentioned the 61 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.800 two thousand and six Chicago O'Hare UFO incident where a UFO was seen hovering above 62 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:06.079 the airport and then shot straight up out of sight. Since Keene's mentioning of 63 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.519 this on national television, there's been renewed interest in the incident, and Google 64 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.399 even noticed a spike in search traffic from people seeking information about the O'Hare UFO 65 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:20.480 incidents. That's cool, yeah, I mean she mentioned that. What I 66 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:27.120 thought was interesting is she mentioned on the show that that was like the number 67 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:31.800 one website hit, you know, way back then for the Chicago Tribune. 68 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.759 And then they came out and said it's still the number one news story they've 69 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:41.800 ever had. And then it also because it gets all this regeneration, became 70 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.279 yah one of their top stories last week. And still with this story from 71 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.279 two thousand and six, there's still no explanation for what happened to Chicago O'Hair. 72 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.120 Well, that's kind of cool too, because John Hilkovich, the guy 73 00:05:54.160 --> 00:06:00.680 who did the story, the journalist he pursued the found what we usually find 74 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.480 is that the FAA and the government were kind of stonewalling and not giving him 75 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:11.800 information. It was an eye opening experience for him and he has n't back 76 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.639 down. I was half expecting him to say, oh, you know, 77 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.560 maybe it was this or that, but he hasn't backed down and he still 78 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:23.480 sticks to his guns that he's never got a satisfactory answer, that the FAA 79 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:29.040 and that United Airlines gave him the run around. So yeah, like you 80 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.040 said, it's still an unknown. This is also an interesting story too, 81 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:38.279 because it's one of those cases where there were several witnesses, and these witnesses 82 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.399 were pilots, They were US Air employees and ground crew who worked for the 83 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.920 airport. Yeah, it wasn't just a bunch of passengers on an airplane pointing 84 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.560 and saying, look something in the sky. Yeah. These are people who 85 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:53.319 worked there every single day. Yeah, people who worked there. And supposedly 86 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:59.240 there were possibly pictures, although none there's been rumors of some coming two life, 87 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:04.240 but none have really shown up. Right. Here's an interesting statistic, 88 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:12.839 at least I found it interesting of the Brits claims who have either seen a 89 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.000 ghost or a UFO. That's according to a recent survey of three thousand British 90 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.079 people, and a surprising one in five think that aliens could be living among 91 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:26.000 us. Really, I didn't notice the one in five one in five. 92 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.040 Holy moly, those Brits. That's why they're UFO crazy out there. So 93 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.439 the question is is it a result of them just being more interested in all 94 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:38.800 of this, or is it because their government's been coming out with more information 95 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.680 that they're a little more educated. And the funny thing is is that would 96 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:48.839 show that base value. The purpose of the government releasing the UFO bioles was 97 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:53.279 to show that there's nothing to it, but it's not having that effect. 98 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:57.439 It doesn't seem people are thinking, Wow, there's something more to this than 99 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.720 what they are been telling us. The numbers were surprising, and I think 100 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.439 it's really cool and it's probably right on, but I do have to point 101 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.920 out that possibly the people who did the survey were biased because they were doing 102 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.240 the survey for an upcoming movie. Oh really, one of those mini movies 103 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.439 coming out about extraterrestrials and UFO. So I believe this one was the I 104 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.160 Am Number four. Yeah, a lot of them coming out next year, 105 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.800 so this year as well, later this year. Really, which one later 106 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.039 this year? Do you remember? That? Would be the Battle La Guy 107 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.559 Skyline Skyline but now, oh yeah, it's supposed to come out in November. 108 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.759 But Battle La Battle Los Angeles is suing them right, so they might 109 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.159 be postponed. It's possible it will not come out this year, but I 110 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.039 believe Skyland is scheduled for a November release. Gotcha. Wang Sitschow was in 111 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.080 the news again. The Chinese researcher and planetarius astronomer from the Purple Mountain Observatory 112 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:07.440 of the Chinese Academy of Sciences stated last week that he believes extraterrestrials do exist 113 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.519 and they have the ability to travel to Earth. He does not share Stephen 114 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:15.480 Hawking's opinion, however, that if extraterrestrials come to Earth, they will destroy 115 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.960 humanity. Rather, Stitchow feels it's too early to jump to that conclusion. 116 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.639 He believes that if extraterrestrials we consider end up being friendly, then we can 117 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:30.000 cooperate with them and give them a positive view of humans. But if they 118 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.679 aren't friendly, Sitchow thinks we could defend ourselves and defeat the attacking extraterrestrials by 119 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.879 exploiting their weaknesses, but it'd probably take a while to figure out what their 120 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:45.360 weaknesses are. Well, he probably feels that way because he's you know, 121 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.159 they've got all those cung fu guys over there to protect them. We don't 122 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.600 have well, we've got a lot of kung fu here, so maybe we 123 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.159 would. It's interesting he's in the news so much, this guy, And 124 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.799 what is more interesting and kind of sad is all the people somehow Wang Si 125 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:07.720 Chow, who's one astronomer in China, represents the whole entire country, because 126 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.120 now you have all these stories that China is saying this, and China is 127 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.399 pro us so many stories saying that, claiming that what this guy says represents 128 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.200 China. China says that aliens exist. Yeah, but this is one astronomer 129 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.720 people. I know, it's great to hear somebody talking about this, but 130 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:30.679 he does not represent the entire Chinese government at least I don't think he does. 131 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.679 Be excited. If he does, we need to get a hold of 132 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.559 him. Yeah, they must have some impressive weapons. He knows about them 133 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.600 too. That's a cool observatory they have there, though Purple Mountain does a 134 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.279 lot. And yeah, he's been in the news every week though. Yeah, 135 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.039 well you've been researching Purple Mountain observatory. And he said you didn't find 136 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.320 him listed in their staff though I looked at their staff and I didn't see 137 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.080 him on the website, so I wonder if he's fictitious. Yeah, People's 138 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.919 Daily has just created this person. Like the city of Roswell, New Mexico, 139 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.120 is standing behind his annual UFO festival. There were concerns earlier this year 140 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:09.720 that the city would no longer fund the festival because it wasn't mentioned in the 141 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.200 preliminary budget, But on Wednesday, the city approved funding for the festival and 142 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.919 the amount of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. The city council wanted to 143 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.399 reevaluate whether the money was being spent wisely or not. Now that the money 144 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.840 has been approved, council members say they will be watching it like hawks. 145 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.720 So this unfortunate situation. You know how this rolled out, which was really 146 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.960 sad, is that they say that they're going to revisit the budget before the 147 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:43.039 event starts, so people got scared. The major headliner, which would have 148 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.519 brought people from around probably ten to thousands of people from around the world, 149 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:54.919 Billy Ray Cyrus pulled out the most famous what is that haircut called with the 150 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.360 mullet, so all of the most famous mullets. Now people love that guy, 151 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.519 and he pulled out because of these budgetary problems, and then they end 152 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:09.840 up approving the same budget that they've had anyway, So just bad timing. 153 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.600 They shouldn't have said anything after the event, and now as we see, 154 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.200 they never had to say anything anyway. Who are probably hoping that he would 155 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.360 pull out and replace with his daughter. Yeah, Hannah Montana, Hannah Montana. 156 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.120 I still know it's Hannah Montana. That's my niece. She used to 157 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:30.039 watch and she liked So my wife saw that on TV and couldn't figure out 158 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:35.279 for years that Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus were actually different people. Oh, 159 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.240 what do you mean? Sorry, Elejandro, did mean to burst your bubble. 160 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.159 This is a really cool story from last week. A UFO was captured 161 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:48.240 on a motion activated camera in Fort Worth, Texas. Last week. The 162 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.759 camera used by hunters to spot deer photographed an object in the sky that is 163 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.919 a string of several symmetrical lights. According to photo time stamps, the object 164 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.279 hovered in the sky for nearly two hours. Yep. So this has made 165 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.000 a lot of news. It was on LA Times. You know, we 166 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.480 posted it, but since then it's you know, as soon as we post 167 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.600 it, then everybody picks it. Up. But I've been on major news 168 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.759 all over the place and i haven't seen I don't know if you haven't any 169 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.799 of these stories, any explanation for what it might be, no explanation. 170 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.440 You know that the person who owns the camera said that, you know, 171 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.679 they've ruled out things like vehicles because there are no roads in the area. 172 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:37.720 It's very secluded. Also sell Antanna's there aren't any It's just a very secluded 173 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:43.679 area. There's nothing back there that could explain these lights. I'm not sure 174 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.480 what it is. At first I thought it could possibly be a car like 175 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.399 a bus driving buy or something. But this thing is sort of a bove 176 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.559 the line, so I thought maybe it was what is glowing bugs fly around 177 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.799 that it could be something like that, but that area doesn't have them, 178 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:05.519 I guess. But firefly fireflies there you go, because maybe the wing clapping 179 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:11.080 creates because bugs often have that kind of you know where you see string of 180 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:16.200 light effects, string of kind of effects, right, very strange. After 181 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:22.320 thirty years of researching, a forty nine year old Australian eupologist has finally seen 182 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.480 his own UFO. Eric Black of Bisbane, Australia, became fascinated with UFOs 183 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.960 a childhood and has spent his lifetime researching them, but until recently, he 184 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.399 had never seen a UFO with his own eyes. While vacationing in Australia's Northern 185 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:41.360 Territory, Black saw something that at first he thought with a low flying plane. 186 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.240 He described the object as an amber colored hamburger shaped thing with black dots 187 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.960 on the top, and he also said it was several times brighter than venus. 188 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.279 The UFO hovered above him for thirty seconds before it rapidly disappeared, and 189 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.519 he was so excited by what he was seeing that he forgot to take picture, 190 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.360 even though he had his camera right there with him. Yeah. Well, 191 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.080 sometimes she get really excited. I completely understand the feeling because I've had 192 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.759 it happen to me. Yeah, exactly, and I think a lot of 193 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.600 people. You know, It's funny because the first UFO siding I had, 194 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.039 and I was an investigator for several years by now, and I you know, 195 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.600 you just stand there with your jaw, you know, you're just trying 196 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.000 to figure out what you're looking at. And this other lady who had seen 197 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.159 UFOs before, she was behind me, and all of a sudden, I 198 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.759 hear from her way over here to my right, and she's like, well, 199 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.080 it looks like it's fading out, and she's got her binoculars on it. 200 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.559 I mean she was. She zoomed out to her car, grabbed her 201 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:48.480 binoculars and trained him on the object. Pretty good. I'm going to go 202 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.639 back to a story that I skipped here, and I apologize to our director 203 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.320 who's controlling the show. I skipped over a story and she's going to be 204 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.759 very angry at the pictures are all mixed out. That's right, all right. 205 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.919 For moth now, residents of Halifax have been seeing strange objects in the 206 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.720 sky. It seems to be regular UFO activity in the UK, but Halifax 207 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:15.240 and its surrounding areas have been buzzing with UFO sightings lately. A bright orange 208 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.960 hovering ball is what many residents have described seeing recently, but one witness suspects 209 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:26.480 that the silent hovering objects he observed could be some sort of spycraft of earthly 210 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.639 origin. But the majority of what people have been seeing in this area are 211 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:34.240 these bright orange balls that hover with no noise and then just sort of disappear 212 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.200 and still no explanation. Some of them are almost certainly the Chinese lanterns that 213 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.799 a lot of people see. Now, well, then how do they get 214 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.600 from China to the UK? Wind is powerful, my friend? The currents? 215 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.679 Yeah, now right, the Chinese lanterns. We still have to do 216 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.759 our experiment on the Chinese lanterns. But they're so popular. Yeah, right 217 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:03.200 now, they're really cool. So I'm not What I'm surprised by is the 218 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.640 orange ones are the only ones that seem to be seen. Four things that 219 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.680 are blamed on Chinese lanterns. Chinese landards come in a variety of colors. 220 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.640 Any color you want, you can get a Chinese lands Oh, you can 221 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.480 get blue, you can get red, you can get white, and get 222 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.160 green. I would definitely get a blue Chinese lantern. Yeah, blue would 223 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.759 be cool. So now what you're saying is now all these other colored balls 224 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.720 of lights could be Chinese lanterns too. Well, yeah, but that's not 225 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.599 what we hear of. We hear these orange balls and a lot of them. 226 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.119 The way the movements are described, right, and a lot of the 227 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:44.240 movement can be explained by wind, currents and things. Because it's high altitudes, 228 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.559 these things can move and then shift rapidly, and a lot of people 229 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:52.519 don't understand that. But you know some of the other movements with stopping hovering 230 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.240 and then shooting straight up and then coming back and not Chinese lannards. My 231 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.240 friend well on the story of the guy who said he saw him beaming the 232 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.480 lamb his sheep and then finding the sheep dead in the morning. That's that's 233 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.359 a Chinese lenner. That's probably defective and they should get their money back. 234 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.680 Yeah, that's true. Here's a cool story. On August twenty first, 235 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:19.079 a Central Valley, California family driving home called the Mutual UFO Network State Director 236 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:25.599 Jeffrey Gonzalez to report witnessing a triangle shaped craft making a hard landing on a 237 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:30.079 mountain side outside Presnel, California. The craft supposedly attempted to take off again 238 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:36.079 after crashing, but was unsuccessful. Unmarked vehicles reportedly arrived at the scene very 239 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.119 quickly, and what appeared to be an arc welding light was seen at the 240 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.119 crash. That evening. There were scorch marks at the crash site and Jeffrey 241 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.160 Gonzalez was able to record these on video and will make the video available as 242 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:53.000 soon as it has been processed. Some are speculating though that the crash object 243 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:59.799 is the alleged top secret Air Force TR three B nuclear powered flying triangle, 244 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:06.079 which if you are watching our video right now you would see a cool TR 245 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:11.640 three B, well maybe in a minute or something that there. It is 246 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.160 that our buddy Michael Stratt, who works with us created because he's done a 247 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.359 lot of work on this. In fact, we can plug something here our 248 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.039 video that we have online of Michael Stratt talking about some of this stuff. 249 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:27.079 On our YouTube, you can see the whole lecture for only three bucks. 250 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.519 That's cheaper than buying a DVD. Or we've got some clips too. We've 251 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:34.799 probably got yeah, we've got stories in the magazine on this and everything. 252 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:41.519 So really cool looking vehicle, it would be. I can't wait. Of 253 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:47.319 course, everybody's waiting for these pictures and these videos to see what he's got 254 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.920 because if you can see some stingray type of triangular aircraft landed on the ground 255 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.559 on this hill, that would be pretty damn cool, very cool. And 256 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:03.519 something interesting about this TR three B that I just found out is, you 257 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.559 know there's a lot of well, of course, with any alleged top secret 258 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:14.200 military craft that nobody knows about, there are also rumors by people who think 259 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.799 the government is out to fool us, which they possibly may be. That 260 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.839 this is all just made up by the government. There's no such thing as 261 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:26.839 a TR three B. They just created it to have an explanation for all 262 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:32.480 the triangle shaped UFOs that people see interesting that could be too. I guess 263 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.279 m you never know what the heck is going on with these UFOs, Jason. 264 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.319 That's what we're here to find out, right, Alejandro, that's it 265 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.039 for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at openminds dot 266 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.359 tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Minds News correspondent 267 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.559 Jason McLellan and you've been briefed. Ah right, thank you, Jason. 268 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:59.279 Now talking about the and more. Part that Jason had mentioned was at some 269 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.640 of the other stories is that we have up on the website this week, 270 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:08.240 some really cool ones. Pretty much our biggest lately, our biggest scoop news 271 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:15.079 scoop is of course from Antonio again, who had a rare document related to 272 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:22.960 a famous sighting in Brazil off the Trinidad Islands. And these are some photos, 273 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:29.599 Hey, Jason R. Mike Stone. These are some famous photos that 274 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:34.000 you can see on our website. But what Antonio had was a document that 275 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:40.880 was written by the guy who was involved with taking the first pictures, and 276 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.519 it has come out that supposedly a cousin of a cousin actually I think it's 277 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.240 maybe even a sister, a family member, claims that on his deathbed he 278 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:56.359 said, I hoax those things. The problem is the president and some of 279 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.319 the others were involved with this whole incident, and there were a lot of 280 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:08.640 witnesses that were actually Brazilian navy who saw this thing. So how could he 281 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.640 have hoped something that people had seen as a question? You know, what 282 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.440 do you do with all these other witnesses? How could it all be a 283 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.519 hoax? And this and that and that, And you could read the details 284 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.720 of this in the story. But still, it's kind of cool that Antonio 285 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:29.440 was able to find this document. We had it translated by a coworker who 286 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.480 speaks I think they speak Portuguese out there, and we were able to put 287 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:40.279 that online. To this debate going on about these Trinidad UFO photos. Kind 288 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:45.079 of exciting because it's it's an incredible event that took place where all of these 289 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.640 navy guys had seen this thing, so a lot of questions still exist, 290 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:55.559 of course when it comes to that. We just posted a story today from 291 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.960 Michael Schratt yet again, like we were talking about on the UFO case files 292 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.200 that he has been putting out. Essentially, what he did is he went 293 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:11.000 to some mofon and KUFOS files, KUFOS being the center for UFO studies, 294 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.160 and he is an illustrator. He creates aero planes and different types of devices 295 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:25.200 in AutoCAD and is able to render these in three D and then he'll often 296 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.680 put those overlaid on top of a scene that is similar to the where the 297 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.079 witnesses had seen the craft. And he's done that with a lot of these 298 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:40.359 stories with the details behind these case files, so that's pretty cool. We've 299 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.839 got a story on all of those movies that Jason had talked about and what's 300 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:49.920 coming out there. We also have Jason wrote a story on different tourist spots, 301 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:55.279 so if you're trying to get in a vacation still still here at the 302 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.799 end of the summer, you'll be able to check that out. We also 303 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.119 have some people mentioned in our magazine. Our last magazine, by the way, 304 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.359 was dedicated to abductions and we had a lot of stories there. Really 305 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.759 if you know nothing, and if you're skeptical about the whole abduction alien abduction 306 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.920 thing, which I can understand. I was a big skeptic until I really 307 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.400 went and did some build work, you know, hands on getting out there 308 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:25.079 to know people who had claimed they were abductees and finding out that, yeah, 309 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:33.480 they probably were abductees. And Stan Romanek, of course, is a 310 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:40.880 case that I have checked out before, and we had a story on him 311 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.359 as well as an interview in the magazine, and the interview was kind of 312 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.119 an excerpt of a longer interview, and we have that entire interview now up 313 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.920 on the website for people to check out. I know some people were asking 314 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:57.119 about that because some people got their magazines before we got that up, so 315 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.720 luckily that is up now. And then we also have some cool stories from 316 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:08.200 the USSR. I say that because these were stories from before, you know, 317 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:14.240 the whole breakup and before the USSR had totally crumbled again. This is 318 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.119 an Antonio story which is really cool, where he had a lot of files 319 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:23.480 and a lot of cases that happened back then that he put together into There 320 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:27.519 are so many of these stories that we broke them up into two stories, 321 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:34.920 but mostly this was airplane pilots with radar type situations. Lots of really cool 322 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:40.960 stories and pictures of some of these people who had these experiences, so you 323 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.440 can check that out as well. So really cool stuff there. We're working 324 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:51.559 on the fifth issue already of our magazine, even though you guys haven't gotten 325 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.720 The Force. The Force is going to print and will be out in probably 326 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.480 just a few weeks, maybe four weeks or something like that. I'm not 327 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.799 sure exactly when, but we're really excited about the fourth issue. It has 328 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:08.240 to do with UFO landings, So you're going to want to go and subscribe 329 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.559 to the magazine at Open Minds doat TV before everybody else does and we run 330 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:19.759 out of these. We mainly centered around the Rendalshimp case because the Rendal Sham 331 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:26.000 Anniversary is happening in December, and that was when in nineteen eighty you know 332 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:32.599 a lot of US Air Force people had seen some UFOs and investigated these UFOs 333 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.279 out in the UK and a base that we were releasing from the Brits, 334 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:44.640 from the Royal Air Force, and it's just an incredible event. It's very 335 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:49.519 well documented. A lot of official documents that have come forward with these Air 336 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:56.079 Force people and their experiences, including and even CNN ran this quite some time 337 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:02.559 ago, some audio of one of the more exciting investment negations around the rendals 338 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:04.880 from Force, where you can hear these guys out in the forest looking for 339 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:10.759 this thing and getting all excited about it. So really cool case, and 340 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:15.160 we've done it in a way I think that is more thorough and kind of 341 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.039 more complete than others. Sometimes people don't include all three events, they just 342 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:26.119 include, you know, two of them, because the event can be very 343 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:32.000 different the third event that happened. There's possibly or at least some alleged et 344 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.720 type of activity there. But so really exciting. We're really excited about that 345 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.440 magazine coming up here, and we're working on the fifth right now. It's 346 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.759 going to be more of a lot of different stories on the fifth instead of 347 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.720 being focused just around one thing. So you'll have to check that out. 348 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.720 And we are going to take a little bit of a small break, and 349 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.839 when we get back from that break, hopefully we'll have George Filer. If 350 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.319 not, we'll have someone just as interesting on the show. 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But some of the things, 382 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.359 let me tell the guys, some of the things we'll talk about once 383 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.000 they get your microphone working, and that will be some of the latest stories 384 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.160 that we have. We'll talk more in detail, which is kind of cool 385 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.920 because I want to talk more about this to Trinidad case. And something I 386 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:22.000 forgot to mention earlier also was the French situation, because I think that's a 387 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:29.680 really cool kind of dynamic because we've talked about this and let's start here. 388 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.599 Let's see, I guess they got the mic working, so say something. 389 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:40.000 Okay, is it working? I guess according to them, huh. But 390 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.279 the French situation, a lot of people keep talking about, Oh, there 391 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.000 are governments around the world who are talking about UFOs and pro UFO and all 392 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.839 of this stuff. But that really doesn't seem to be the case in at 393 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.880 least my opinion, and I think we share the same opinion. There. 394 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.519 The only country who is more proactive about actually investigating UFOs, not just taking 395 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:07.200 reports. It's France, so maybe we could start off talking more about that. 396 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.440 Tell me about the document that we had just recently posted, right, 397 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:19.200 Well, this document which has gotten quite a bit of attention in our website 398 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.759 because luckily, you know, because most of the American apologies don't read French, 399 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.880 so you know, it's maybe someone would have scooped us. But and 400 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.640 basically, as I explained in the article, it's not an official document, 401 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:42.519 but it comes from a professional society SO which is known as the three AF, 402 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:50.960 which means Astronomical and Astronautical Association of France, so three AF, which 403 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:57.039 is a very large professional society of astronomers and aeronautical engineers and you know, 404 00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:04.079 professional people similar to groups we have in the United States, but difference inside 405 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.079 those groups of the United States don't do UI full committees. Actually they used 406 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.759 to. You look at the history of UPOS in the sixties, there were 407 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.839 similar things, the Triple As Association for the Advance. You know, we 408 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.720 had just sink where it's a little bit off tangible all stairs back on. 409 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.240 But right, one of the stories I did recently was on astronomers and UFOs 410 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:32.640 and not only we had a group similar with the Astronomical Association of America something 411 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:38.200 like that, similar, but they said they came to different conclusions. And 412 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:44.039 the content report, which is was what the Air Force used to justify closing 413 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:50.960 the Blue Book investigations. So basically what this group did in Friends is they 414 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.599 created a committee back in two thousand and eight. It's like an official committee 415 00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.640 within their group. But even though they are not official a part of the 416 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:06.680 government, it's anybody that reads the report which we translated. It's clear that 417 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.480 they had excellent connections with the government because then again, most of the people 418 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.440 involved in this association are former pilots and former military, retired military people and 419 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:23.039 you know, professionals that are involved with either the government or various industrial organizations. 420 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.119 And one of the more interesting parts of this report, and this, 421 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.679 by the way, it's only a progress report, so this is not the 422 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.920 final document. We don't know how long it's going to take them. They 423 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.199 don't say they've only been in existence for a couple of years. They've put 424 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:45.119 a couple of smaller documents before, but this is a progress report, so 425 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.239 it's still sort of informal. The way it's drafted I imagine that their final 426 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.440 report would be something more similar to Comita, which they mentioned several times, 427 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.599 and their conclusions were basically identical to Comita. And for those who are not 428 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.400 familiar with COMITA, although I guess most of our listeners are, this was 429 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:10.840 again not one hundred percent official report, but was a committee created by former 430 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:17.559 members of mostly their armed forces and intelligence groups in France, but retired and 431 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:23.840 they created a pretty official looking group, although they spoke as retired officers, 432 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:31.559 and they released a famous report back in nineteen ninety nine which again was very 433 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:37.559 positive towards the existence of UFOs in these both of these instances, were any 434 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:46.039 you know, still serving officers or generals supportive, like vocally supportive. Did 435 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:51.760 they receive any sort of support? They didn't receive any negative comments from the 436 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.960 government, did they Well. The Comedia report was criticized, but I don't 437 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.199 know that it was criticized by the government. It was criticized by a lot 438 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:05.039 of by the press and by civilian more conservative type civilian mythologists. And some 439 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.960 of the criticism was because there was a little bit of confusion. A lot 440 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.239 of people, especially in the international media and international American UNIFO groups made it 441 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.199 sound like it was an official report. In fact it wasn't. So some 442 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.960 of that was just kind of a misunderstanding, kind of like we talked about 443 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.679 earlier, were Wang saw similar represents the entire Chinese Yeah, and again, 444 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.159 I mean we've had similar situations even in America when when Bruce McCabe, for 445 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.039 instance, who's retired now, but he used to be an optical physicist who 446 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:45.360 worked at the Naval Research Laboratory Weapons Laboratory as a civilian scientist, but obviously 447 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:51.840 all his UFO reports and UFO analysis were doctor Bruce mccaby, you know, 448 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.880 the private scientist. He never pretended to be representing the navy. But let's 449 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.760 say that someone in another country saw his credentials, they say, oh, 450 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.000 lady says UFOs exist, right, it was black at these opinion. So 451 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.599 but what's interesting about this latest report is that they obviously had a lot of 452 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:15.360 corporation from the French military. Because if you remember, you when when when 453 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.199 you boasted it that in the early part of the report, they actually list 454 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:24.719 all the different agencies that they're visited, and they went to all these secret 455 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.039 military bases and met with generals and they were shown stuff and raided. They 456 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:36.880 even talk about reports that were done by some French intelligence agencies that have never 457 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.559 been released. I've never seen them. I mean I've seen some, but 458 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.519 not There's one particular one coming from one of these directors of French intelligence. 459 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.599 I've never seen that report. So and they even said at the end that 460 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.119 they were shown stuff that they cannot even disclose. So obviously there's there was. 461 00:37:55.239 --> 00:38:01.119 They had full corporation from French with airy forces, which was quite interesting. 462 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:06.840 Of course, they also went to Japan or Japan as it's called now, 463 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.719 which is that is the official investigation by the French government, by the 464 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:17.000 French National Space Center, the equivalent of NASA. If you posted in our 465 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:23.320 website the link to an article the Smithsonian magazine Air and Space, which they 466 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:28.159 actually I think it was called Department of Flying Saucers or something like that, 467 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.039 which in fact is what you were saying before, if you friends, is 468 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:37.039 really one of the few countries many countries have some kind of UFO Department of 469 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:44.079 sorts, but usually like I can think of uay Chile, well, the 470 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:49.079 UK used to have it through the Ministry of the Face Brazil, but usually 471 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.719 these countries are always connected more to the air force, and the emphasis of 472 00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:00.800 the agency is not so much to investigate UFOs per se, but to see 473 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.760 if there's any defense implications. In other words, you know, their job 474 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.800 is to protect the airspace of that country, and these things are flying around, 475 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.119 they have to know whether they are friend or foe. Basically, presumably 476 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.440 we have something like that in America too, but it's undeclared, unacknowledged Michael 477 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.679 Stretchers. But in France it's a little different. I mean, even though 478 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.159 the military also have had, of course some reports and some investigations going as 479 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:30.800 far back as nineteen fifty one, and also the agency that is charged with 480 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.800 taking the actual reports from civilians, from the witness from anybody, a farmer 481 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.199 or an engineer whoever sees a UFO is there, Centire Mary, which is 482 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:45.000 the sort of the it's not the regular police. It would be similar to 483 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.679 what we call state troopers here, and it belongs to the to the administrative 484 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.519 Defense, but it is sort of a militarized functions like a military agency. 485 00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:00.760 But that police functions does the borders and you know, counter terrorism, all 486 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.760 kinds of things. And since at least the well they've investigated cases as far 487 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.840 back as the fifties, but at least since the nineteen seventies mid seventies, 488 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:16.159 they've had official regulations to actually take reports from UFOs, I mean from the 489 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.599 public about UFOs. So it is part of their duty. If you are 490 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.119 living in France, whether you're a French or immigrant or whoever, and you 491 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.960 see a UFO, you can call the Jandamerie and they are not supposed to 492 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.760 laugh at you, but they send an agent or they I mean if but 493 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.039 they are supposed to take things seriously, and they since they have obvious seen 494 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:46.760 policemen tren darns all over the country, including overseas regions of France, like 495 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.679 you know the French Guiana in South America, the Union Island. Remember we 496 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.239 published then interesting article about the Mischielan man in Runion Island. Those were investigated. 497 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.039 That was even before the Space Agency has Japan. So those were just 498 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.639 investigated by the Gendarmerie. They send their agent, He interviews the witness, 499 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:15.079 they elaborated a report and then all that data goes to Japan, which is 500 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:20.840 used. Originally it was used for statistical purposes. If a report it's interesting 501 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.800 enough, in other words, it looks like a solid case. Then Japan 502 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:30.480 follows it up and sends one of their team investigators and then they conduct further 503 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:37.440 So France has a pretty elaborate system and it's an actual investigation system, and 504 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.000 I think that's what people need to understand, because even when the UK did 505 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.039 this up until like about a year ago or so, not even that yet 506 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:52.119 late last year, they were still only kind of shifting paperwork around. They 507 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.519 were taking reports and sending them, just keeping a record. And you know, 508 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.519 I see both of us are friends with Nick Pope. Nick Pop because 509 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.719 he became interested in the phenomenon and later became a famous sophologist. I think 510 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.360 he went a little bit beyond his official duties and actually, you know, 511 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.559 try to investigate some of these cases. But apparently some of the people that 512 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.719 were either before or after him, you know, it's it's just a bureaucratic 513 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.599 thing. You take a report, maybe you make a couple of phone calls, 514 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.000 make sure that it's it wasn't one of your jets or something like that, 515 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.599 and that's it. It gets filed away. And as you know, 516 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:34.760 the Brigish, basically they were always they were saying of no defense significance and 517 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.880 that was sort of their mantrum, you know, like because again, if 518 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.920 the Ministry of Defense would have said, let's say about Bedwater, so any 519 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.440 case, yeah, this case has defense implications, then what's next, you 520 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.920 know, then they have to really do a follow up investigation and do something 521 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.320 about it. If they say it's of no defense significance, then they can 522 00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.320 they can move on. So Francis, it really has an interesting system them. 523 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.440 And also have to keep in mind that Francis is a developed countries, 524 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.760 a major I mean, they got they've had atomic weapons since since the nineteen 525 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.480 sixties. I mean you're not talking of the you know, of a minor 526 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.679 country. And also they're known for being a very rationalist country. You know, 527 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.440 they don't take things, you know, they're not gullible particularly And what's 528 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:28.719 interesting about both the Comita report and this later report by the Triple af is 529 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:35.199 they both are saying that these objects are not secret weapons, which has elicited 530 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.559 some comments, you know, on our website, because I guess many people 531 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:44.960 do believe that most most UFOs are these I noticed you were talking earlier about 532 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.719 the secret triangles, and actually Jason came up with a great theory maybe they 533 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:57.239 don't exist it's just exactly and well. And that's what's great about that that 534 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:01.679 that report you're talking about, because they even give some sort of weight to 535 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.400 the possibility of the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yes they say that's not proven, but 536 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.519 that it definitely cannot be ruled out. Also, they the same thing like 537 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.800 Comita. Remember Comita, even of the titles was the defense Implications of the 538 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.239 Upho Phenomenon. And these were generals, top generals, you know. One 539 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.199 of them, General Letti, is one of the people who wrote one of 540 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:31.280 the essays and Leslie King's recent book. And so the French seem to be 541 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:36.800 saying going far beyond the other countries. They are not saying, I mean, 542 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.920 they're not only saying this is a real phenomenon, which is sort of 543 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:45.119 the easy cop out, but saying that it's possibly extraterrestrial they definitely cannot be 544 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.039 ruled out, although it cannot be proven as of yet, and also that 545 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.239 it has a defense implication, because what is the implication if you have these 546 00:44:53.280 --> 00:45:00.360 objects flying with impunity over airspace of developed countries and know and just doing basically 547 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.000 whatever they please. And uh in in in the in the Triple A f 548 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:12.159 report, they even mentioned it's an all Latin term castle's belly, which means 549 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.199 bellicos, you know, belly from well from bellicos, you know, from 550 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.280 warlike, which is basically like almost reason for war. I mean, if 551 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:24.519 you're violating someone's airspace, that is almost is an aggression, right, it's 552 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:30.559 or potentially an aggression. So they even even raise that that subject, and 553 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:35.880 so I mean, that's what I think, That's what just I think needs 554 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.960 to be a point that needs to be made is that France is pretty much 555 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.360 the only country out there who is really actively investigating and taking a real serious 556 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.639 and being brave enough to say that this is a serious issue, right, 557 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.960 we need to investigate. The Japan they're a little bit being that as opposed 558 00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.920 to Comita or the Triple A f who are not speaking officially, whereas Monsieur 559 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.079 Blanc you know, Eglan Blank, he's in the current head of the Japan 560 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.960 he is if he says something, you know, then he is speaking for 561 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:12.039 the French government. So they're a little bit more toned down on their statements. 562 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.719 Although Jean Jaques Velasco, who used to be there, he's retired now 563 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.880 and he's been very outspoken over the years, but more so when since he's 564 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:29.079 retired. But basically there's Japan. They stay away a little bit of talking 565 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.360 about the national security implications, but they've always said especially since they had such 566 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.519 solid cases going all the way back, you know, those landing cases like 567 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.920 the Transit Provence famous landing case which is mentioned in this current report that was 568 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:49.840 in nineteen eighty one, and another case in Nancia known as lamarant from amarants 569 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.119 from the I guess it was that plant called amaranths. I guess it landed, 570 00:46:53.159 --> 00:47:00.559 And these were small objects that landed in these fields and did all kinds 571 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.400 of biochemical changes on the plants. So you were saying Japan, and their 572 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.400 stand is that it's real, that is real and physical. They leave it 573 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.719 at that. They don't go the next step saying it's probably at the restaur 574 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:20.199 or whatever, but they do say that it's a real stimuli unexplained since they 575 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:25.320 obviously cannot explain it as either natural phenomena or man made. So and that 576 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.239 the most important part. I think that was the turning point for Japan, 577 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.639 where these physical landing cases of nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty one, and they 578 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.559 also had a couple more, but those are the two best known, because 579 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:44.719 now you had a phenomenon that was actually affecting the environment, so it was 580 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:52.239 not so easy to discard as something. And they send the planets samples and 581 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.960 this is by the way, very different from crop circles. These were not 582 00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:02.239 geometric formations, but basically something with mass and energy had landed and affected the 583 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:09.760 terrain, and the plants were sent to various laboratories of the French government universities 584 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.280 and some other government labs, and the scientists discovered all these crazy stuff, 585 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:22.199 basically like the chlorophyll of the plants was gone after the object had landed. 586 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.840 And even more strange, this was said by this biochemist called Bunias, which 587 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:35.000 the plants. This was in the Transit province case. The plants were young 588 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:42.119 physiologically young, but after the incident they became biochemically old. They aged, 589 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.280 So how can you do what can provoke that in nature? And that led 590 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:52.280 and this was actually an official conclusion in the final Zapan report that it was 591 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:59.239 probably a propulsion, some kind of advanced propulsion, unknown advanced propulsion. So 592 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.880 I think there are also bearing in that direction, but they just have to 593 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:06.880 be a little bit more curful in their final stage. And that would be 594 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:12.360 then the answer for someone who just asked about in the chat, what is 595 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:19.679 Francis position on UFO Japan Japan, It would essentially be making that stance and 596 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.119 just what you said, where they think it's a real phenomena, physical, 597 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:29.719 physical phenomena that exists and that it affects the environments. Right, So let's 598 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.559 move from France. And that was some good stuff I think, but I 599 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:39.320 also wanted to get into then Trinidad. Yeah. Well, as you know, 600 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:46.639 and this has been all over the uphological forums. What happened was that 601 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:53.280 about two weeks ago Fantastical, which is a very very prime time, extremely 602 00:49:53.360 --> 00:50:00.960 popular TV show in Brisil, say Fantastical, Yeah, would be fantastic any 603 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.159 translation. Actually I was interviewed once that show, but years ago. Because 604 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:10.840 they've covered many times UFOs and what's interesting is normally they'd be very positive towards 605 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.760 UFOs, but this last program, which was broadcast in early August, was 606 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:22.320 quite negative. They basically debunked most of the Brazilian famous cases except the one 607 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.239 famous way what it's known as the ninth of the UFOs and iron Outics, 608 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.679 which happened in nineteen eighty six, in which jets were scrambled all over Brazil 609 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.039 and the General the Minister of the Air Force made official statements and all that. 610 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.760 So that remained as a good case, but some of the other cases 611 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:50.800 where they took a negative spin. But the most famous probably was this sequence 612 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:57.360 of photographs known as Trindade Island, which appears in practically every single UFO book 613 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.960 ever published since nineteen fifty eight. Routing there, I noted very Leslie Kings 614 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:07.760 book two, their very very famous sequence of photographs. Partly even though they 615 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:15.559 were taken by a civilian photographer called al Niro Barraguna and Baruna, but they 616 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.880 were taken on boarder Brazilian Navy ship because it was part of the International Geophysical 617 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.599 Year, so they had civilians I guess there as observers or whatever, and 618 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.559 they were seen in this deserted island in the middle of that plantic ocean which 619 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:36.639 belongs to Brazil. This happened on January sixteenth, nineteen fifty eight, and 620 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.760 many crew members of course saw the UFO, as well as people of a 621 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.920 diving team which Barauna was part of, and he took the sequence of six 622 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.639 photos of which the two I guess didn't come very good for are the classics, 623 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.800 and the case was kept quiet. After the ship docked at port, 624 00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:02.039 the Navy took a hold of the case and investigated it, and eventually a 625 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:08.039 dosire with the photos and some navy conclusions reached the president of Brazil at that 626 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:15.079 time, a man called Juicellino Kugichek, and this was quite remarkable because the 627 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.679 Navy had kept it quiet, but he was so excited. I guess he 628 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.039 was kind of a visionary. You know, he's the one that moved the 629 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.920 capital of Brazil to Brazilia or started the construction, because he said Brazil needs 630 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.920 to move towards the interior. Had always all the population had always been in 631 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:35.719 the coast during colonial and early independence, so he was known as as a 632 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.800 visionary. He saw these photographs and said, this is too important to remain 633 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.920 secret, and he gave into a reporter from a newspaper called the Morning Career 634 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:52.599 Correlo Correo de Magiana, which were Morning Courier. We actually published the clipping 635 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:58.599 in our article and the maintron page, and after that it became a famous 636 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:05.880 famous case. Now, Barawuna was a very skilled photographer, so even from 637 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.960 the early days, some people have always maintained that these photos must have been 638 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:17.320 host but there was no proof. Then in this fantastical program, they interviewed 639 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:24.639 this friend of Baraguna Uh, a woman who worked for an ad agency or 640 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.760 used to work for an AD agency, called a Melia Bitancour, and she 641 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.119 said that Barauna had confessed to her. We don't know when because the interview 642 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.800 was very short. It was basically we reproduced of course it was all in 643 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:45.159 Portuguese, but we reproduced the translation. And basically she said that what Barawuna 644 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.000 did is he took two tablespoons. I just cut them and made a sausage 645 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.079 with them, and then took a photo using the home refrigerator at the background. 646 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.559 And I guess then they were over in post. She didn't say that, 647 00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.840 but I guess implications speak. So obviously the pictures you see the island 648 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.039 and the coast, so then it would have to be in double exposure. 649 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.159 You make it, and that was it, And so of course the skeptics 650 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:13.000 say, oh, finally, confession. You know, the photographer confessors, 651 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.760 even though it's a second hand confession. There's the niece there too, although 652 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.800 she would not appear on camera, but according to the host of the TV 653 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:27.679 show said that the niece also had confirmed this and that was it. So 654 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.360 immediately there was a lot of fuss about it, and the skeptics were delighted. 655 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.719 So were finally we have a confession, the other people said, But 656 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.239 whether there were yeah, so, but there are other witnesses right on the 657 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.960 correct Well, what I say at the end of the article I posted on 658 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.079 our website is that even if the photos were hoaxed by Barauna, which I 659 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.039 actually don't think so, but I remain opened in the sense that he was 660 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:55.079 a skilled guy and he was known to have other photos. We reproduced the 661 00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:00.679 photo that he had hoaxed in nineteen fifty four, but upfront, not not 662 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:05.960 tricking people to say this isn't this, this was an experience, right. 663 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.320 And then there were some other hoax that supposedly he had done as a diver, 664 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.679 but it had nothing to do with UFOs. It was some safe that 665 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.360 they claim it was an old French say or something, so that's unrelated to 666 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.119 UFOs. But of course skeptics will say, well, but this is a 667 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:27.280 guy that used to hoax, perhaps, but still nevertheless, even if the 668 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.920 photos were hoaxed. It's still the case. That doesn't debunk the whole case. 669 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.400 It would only debunk the photos taken during that sighting, because if it 670 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.960 was reported that about fifty people saw it, they were in fact, there 671 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.880 were other sightings that was not even their only sighting. People saw the guy 672 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:51.360 taking pictures on the deck of the ship, and if he had hoaxed them, 673 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:54.719 he would have had very little time. Although one of the suspicious things 674 00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.679 that was always pointed out by people is that when he developed the film, 675 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.519 I don't think he had a dark room, so he must have made a 676 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.480 dark room either out of the out of the bathroom or somewhere, but he 677 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.320 was alone. Nobody saw him developed the film, so that people, well, 678 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.440 because it was probably very small, he didn't want to be disturbed. 679 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:20.719 So even if the pictures aren't real, the event took place where people had 680 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:24.599 this sighting. And beyond that, you made another good point. Yeah. 681 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:29.079 The other good point is me being originally from Chile, and of course we 682 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.440 went through a very tough period in Chile of the Pinochet. You know, 683 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.239 we had a military dictatorship for seventeen years. Brazil had a horrible military dictatorship 684 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:44.280 for years and most South American countries had at one time or another. So 685 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.079 I frankly knowing and especially you have to go back to that period, during 686 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:53.239 the period of the Cold War, that was the heyday of the military dictatorships, 687 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:57.280 because basically they could get away with it. The United States were so 688 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.800 concerned about communism that they actually support all these military dictatorship. They sold them 689 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.599 weapons, they trained their officers, and so on. So I found it 690 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.639 not impossible, because of course nothing is impossible, but hard to believe that 691 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.079 a guy would trigger you for hoax right inside a Navy ship and then he 692 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.719 was interrogated by the Navy intelligence and everything, and kept the hoax going that 693 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:29.519 you could get life, you could get in serious trouble, and then just 694 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.480 kept it going forever. Of course, people said, well, he didn't 695 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:36.360 know they're going to be so famous, you know whatever. But I think 696 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:42.800 that's an important point. But the main news that we did in our story 697 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:47.239 is that we found I found in my files this this document which was a 698 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:52.679 whole description of the case written by Baraguna himself, signed by him, and 699 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.719 with even a little drawing of his ship, done in nineteen sixty seven, 700 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.440 and which I believe I'm not even one hundred percent sure I've had it in 701 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.719 my files for a long time, but I probably, as I say in 702 00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.440 the article, probably came from one of my mentors, you know, which 703 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:15.400 was disgusted in my first interview here, colemun Goonkdinski, the old Hungarian American 704 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:21.440 colonel, because he had corresponded with Barawuna and he had good qualities prints which 705 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.559 he received I guess from Barawuna himself. Now, I thought that this document 706 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:30.480 was probably known in Brazil, but apparently wasn't because we're getting a lot of 707 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.280 attention now from Brazilian so they're quite excited that here's a full new document by 708 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:40.199 the author of these famous photographs. Y. So we'll talk a little bit 709 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.920 about what is in that that letter after we take a break here in a 710 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.519 minute, and then we'll also get into more subjects. Someone was saying, 711 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.599 man, this is reel nuts and booked, so we'll start to talk about 712 00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:00.800 more of the controversial all right, extraterrestrial real life heated topics. Here in 713 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:06.800 just a minute, we're gonna take a short break so we can powder our 714 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:12.039 noses and we'll be back soon. So stay tuned. 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Welcome back to open Minds Radio. 737 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:15.800 Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open 738 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:23.079 Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, welcome back to open Minds Radio. 739 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.480 You know what, like I said, if you go to open mind 740 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:32.280 stat TV you can watch us here. You can see our studio. Perhaps 741 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:37.320 some of you weren't around when we were in our studio before, So let 742 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.159 us know what you think. I mean, usually people used to think this 743 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.800 looks pretty cool, So let us know what you think. Let us know 744 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.679 what you think about sound? Hello, Hello, can you hear me? 745 01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:53.599 Know how everything sounds and looks at so we can tweet things to make your 746 01:02:54.159 --> 01:03:01.599 open mind experience a phenomenal and incredible experience. Well, someone in the chat 747 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:05.800 said, you know what, Well, you're talking too much nuts and bolts. 748 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:10.000 Well, our last magazine issue was about abduction. But before we get 749 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:16.159 to that, I don't want to forget. Was there anything special or that 750 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:22.119 people didn't know about that you found in that barrel Owuna. Well, I 751 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:27.000 don't know that. I mean, especially in the sense that apparently is a 752 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.599 document that most people in Brazil, for some reason or another, didn't have. 753 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.880 Because we even got an email from Jbi ed Right, who was the 754 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:40.760 main Brazilian apologist, and he was all excited about it. So I apparently 755 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.239 maybe they weren't too many copies made of that document. Who knows. I 756 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:51.960 think the details of the description of the case as he tells them there seemed 757 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:55.360 to me that it were basically the same story. I'm sure people will now 758 01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.559 go with the final in you know, skeptics probably going to look for any 759 01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:04.239 little contradiction between you know, what he said in nineteen sixty nine and nineteen 760 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:09.360 sixty seven or whatever. But I mean, I'm very familiar with that case. 761 01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.440 I wrote the chapter in the UFOUR briefing document, you know, the 762 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.800 Rockefeller Report, which was we've discussed before. We have even a link and 763 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:23.239 at the end of the story. Two, because that document is posted online. 764 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:29.599 The complete UFOUR Briefing document is available in some obscure Spanish page even though 765 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.760 it's in English, so we have a link to the story as we wrote 766 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.840 it there. So I don't know, I don't think it's so much that 767 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:45.000 he says anything different, but that here you have another version unknown apparently mostly 768 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.440 unknown by the main protagonist. So that's always interesting. One you can see, 769 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:54.440 you know, like the whole telephone thing where over time the story changes 770 01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.119 as it's retold each time, right, so at least now you can match 771 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:03.039 it up against what Berwna says himself back to see you know what the true 772 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.719 heart of this. Yeah, this is in sixty seven, so it's like 773 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.639 nine years after. It's a few years, but it's not that way back 774 01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:15.719 later, right, so, and of course he's dead now. So whatever 775 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.000 this, this alleged confession, will never get to the bottom of it. 776 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:23.480 I mean unless there's someone finds some written document by him before he died or 777 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.840 something, but I doubt if that exists. So we basically we only have 778 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.760 this second hand which, as I say, I don't think this woman, 779 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.519 this AD agency woman, or the Knees are lying either it might have been, 780 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:41.440 which is this was pointed at by Bruce mcabee that the information they relay 781 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:46.320 is so short that it might even be, you know, a confusion over 782 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.400 that case that he had hoax in nineteen fifty four. It's fashable and in 783 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:54.760 fact, even in the picture of fifty four, which will reproduce there you 784 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:58.320 see a woman putting two things together. So even that, even though they 785 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.039 do, I don't think they're spoons, but who knows. And also maybe 786 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.800 this conversation he was old, you know when he told it, So whatever, 787 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:10.800 it could be just some kind of honest confusion. You know, I 788 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.960 don't think that that woman is lying or anything. I'm sure she's telling the 789 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.719 truth. Cool, but she is. The information is just too scanned to 790 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:23.360 make a conclusive you know about what Yeah, And besides is secondhand anyway, 791 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:28.239 So the Abduction magazine for the people who don't have it out there, and 792 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.880 I know that not everybody out there has it because we have a lot of 793 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:38.079 listeners, and when I'm matched up to sales, we have some unloyal listeners 794 01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.760 who are not purchasing our magazine, right, and that broke my heart. 795 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.239 Well. Also, Leandro, remember that in the old days, our magazine 796 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.920 was only available in this country, right, and we have a web I'm 797 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.639 sure you have a lot of listeners abroad. And that's a really good point 798 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:57.880 because it was it was kind of price. Even if you're in Canada, 799 01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.559 which isn't that far. You had to pay an extra twenty five bucks and 800 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.920 chipping or whatever. But you can get the magazine digitally now, right. 801 01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:09.400 I don't know if I've even mentioned that on the radio show beforeum Gradual reminded 802 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.840 me, you leave maybe one Sachel can get it, you know whoever you 803 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:15.559 Yeah, when sitch out, we've got to make sure he's read. Right. 804 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:19.880 Anybody in the world can can can go to our website basically, right 805 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:25.280 and just pay the pay the price and then get the get the electronic version 806 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.960 of the magazine. So that so one great advantage from from having you as 807 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.280 part of the open mindset that you have a lot of familiarity with foreign cases. 808 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:39.000 So you were able to cover some foreign abduction cases. So let's talk 809 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:43.039 a little bit about some of those cases. We'll have to leave at least 810 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.599 I guess some little pieces for them to go get the magazine. Yeah, 811 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.320 I did the one article there. I mean, well, I have, 812 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:53.199 of course another big article on the history of UFOs and the UN on the 813 01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.559 same issue. But that's right, nothing to do with abductions, although it's 814 01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.880 an important we talked about that. They can listen to the other, right 815 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.440 we got we talked in detail about that because that was one of my first 816 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:09.199 things that I ever attended when I became an uphologist. At that time, 817 01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:12.760 I wouldn't even have called myself a neuthology. Was just a journalist became in 818 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.960 something. Yeah. Well, just like Leslie Keane started with Conita, you 819 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.479 know, you start with something and then usually the subject grabs you. But 820 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:26.399 the abduction article I did in this issue, which we have a tremendous amount 821 01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:30.039 of material and an abductions, I mean it's really we have a significant amount 822 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.000 of all kinds of cases and in depth too. We even have that memoir 823 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:40.039 from Hopkins and yeah piece from when I have Pen's books. So but my 824 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:46.359 article basically I went after four foreign cases because I figured it's important to let 825 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:51.119 people know that abductions, even though most people are familiar with American abductions, 826 01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.880 you know, whether whether it's Travis Walt or Betty Hill or with restriever, 827 01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:01.119 with communion and so on, but it's not an exclude American phenomenon. It 828 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:06.399 certainly happens all over the world, and although in some countries we probably know 829 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:11.840 very little about it because it's not reported, which used to be the case 830 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.640 in America too, when you had not a very developed euphological culture. Then 831 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:20.640 maybe people can deal with only sightings that's controversial enough, you know, to 832 01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:28.760 discuss, like medical examinations inside the craft or sometimes even sexual thing and which 833 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:30.960 we we cover, of course, a famous case being Betty and Barney Hill. 834 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:35.239 But for instance, when that case happened, which is held in high 835 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:40.920 regard right now because it was well researched by the field, back when it 836 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.960 happened, there were groups that wouldn't look at it. Yeah, and also 837 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.239 it wasn't published right away. That case happened in sixty one and finally came 838 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.800 up on the John Fuller's On the Look magazine. I think it was like 839 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:56.960 sixty four or sixty six or something like that, so it was a few 840 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.520 years later. Yeah, Nightcap, which was a pioneer book, and the 841 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:05.079 Pioneer Organization and everything that had to do with military and pilot cases, and 842 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.000 you know, they were the first ones who were, you know, putting 843 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.880 pressure on the government. So they were great. They did a great job 844 01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.600 in many areas, but they were terrible when it came to humanoid cases and 845 01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:19.840 particular abductions. They thought that that was so crazy for that time that they 846 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:27.159 wouldn't touch it. It's funny because they believed in the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Beside 847 01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:30.000 these things flying around, what did they think we're flying them around? Well, 848 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:31.920 David Jacobs, who was a historian, you know, who later became 849 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:35.720 in fact, one of the main investigators of abduction, he had a famous 850 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:41.199 line who said, well, for nikeb and those people, they wanted to 851 01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:44.600 deal with their objects, but not whoever was piloting their objects. It's not 852 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.520 like that they wouldn't deal So I think we see a similar pattern in some 853 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:53.760 countries, but it's changing because we have a global global culture now, so 854 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.640 even that is changing. In fact, we did have a case in China 855 01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:01.800 at a place called Phoenix Phoenix Mountain really yeah, and which is kind of 856 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:09.880 a crazy case in the sense that the this also had a sexual encounter. 857 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:14.479 So that kind of shocked the Chinese mythologists and they didn't want to deal with 858 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.239 that too much. But nevertheless, the Chinese are so open towards this phenomenon 859 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:24.319 that they invited this guy and we have not I don't think we have a 860 01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:28.760 picture of that in the magazine, but I have a picture that Uh Sushil, 861 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:33.119 the famous Chinese uthologist, prominent tofologists in China, you know, who 862 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:40.720 was the founder of the China for Research Organization, who had a very interesting 863 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:45.239 background because he had been the interpreter for German Mao Mao Zedong, you know, 864 01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:51.560 the founder of China Yeah, the communist leader, right. And Uh 865 01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:59.920 Sushil speaks Spanish perfectly because he used to be the Spanish interpreter for Mao Zadon. 866 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.680 So and I met him at several locations. I haven't seen him recently, 867 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:09.319 but I saw him in San Marino at the international symposium in San Marino 868 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:12.960 in Italy. I saw him in New York and so on, and we 869 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.960 could talk Spanish and that was great, right, so I was able to 870 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:18.560 interview him and so on. I even did as an interpret for him one 871 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:23.840 time. So he took this guy, this abductee, this peasant because it 872 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:28.960 was it worked at a forestry place in some remote part of China near this 873 01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:34.840 place called Mount Phoenix. And this guy gave a talk adding I urin outicle 874 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.079 symposium in China. Imagine that happened in the United States if you bring like 875 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.199 let's say Stan Ramanek or someone like that, and he addresses a symposium where 876 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.840 they're engineering, talking about space travel and space colonies or whatever. So that 877 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:53.319 shows how things are different in other countries. Anyway, we have that case. 878 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.920 We have another case, which is that in your article. That's in 879 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.600 my article one of the four cases, and the other one we discussed it. 880 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:05.119 I remember in your shows a while ago because it's one of my favorites. 881 01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:10.279 Is the Wolfski the Polish case, which is the only abduction case that 882 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.520 has its own monument. The Poles were so excited about. You know, 883 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.680 it's interesting We're talking about this too, because that the fairly popular sci fi 884 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:23.960 website I Owe nine. They just wrote a story about this that's a monument 885 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:29.319 with the comic right, and they quoted us. I guess I hope we 886 01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.960 hopefully. I don't think they did. Well, there's some other stuff around 887 01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.600 it. Yeah. And so that's a great case because it is so it 888 01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:42.079 was so thoroughly investigated. This was investigated in the days where Poland was still 889 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:46.600 communists. Well they're sort of the waning days of Polish Communism. But what 890 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:53.399 was interesting is Poland became a pioneer in the in the iron current countries because 891 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:57.399 whether the other countries you had to be a member of the Communist Party or 892 01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.439 whatever. In Poland, since they were Catholic and they had sort of their 893 01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:04.239 own culture, authology was not a state thing. You didn't have to be 894 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:09.079 associated with some academy of scientists or something like that. Oh well, most 895 01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:13.199 of these people were scientists, but it was it was a privatize They did 896 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:18.640 it on their own. But they thoroughly investigated this case, and it's a 897 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:23.840 wonderful case, very very well documented. And also because it happened in such 898 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:28.880 a remote part of Poland, that it's something that now it could never happen 899 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.880 again. But back in nineteen seventy eight, here you had a guy and 900 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:36.279 in the border of Poland and Ukraine or something like that, who never heard 901 01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:41.119 of UFOs, didn't know that this was the phenomenon that existed, that people 902 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:46.600 report these things, called them weird foreigners. Yeah, and so for him, 903 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.239 these were kind of not a typical abduction I mean, right, very 904 01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:55.439 strange. I know, we've got an article that you had written sometimes on 905 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.159 the web, right, yeah, In fact the article on the web is 906 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.760 it's more complete the magaz You know, you have to make things kind of 907 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.720 short. And also because it was not the only article. So and then 908 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:09.800 of course I have the other one, which is very famous is the Villas 909 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:15.760 Boss case from Brazil, and this happened four years before Betty Hill nineteen fifty 910 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.720 seven. But here this was the first case where you really had a sexual 911 01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:27.079 contents, I mean completely obvious sexual contents, which later became known in some 912 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:31.720 abductions. But back then, if abductions alone were controversial, never mind am 913 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:35.840 I having an alien? You know that that's especially because it was of course 914 01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:41.920 every man's fantasyre it's in the movies where there's sexy alien, you know, 915 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:45.119 beautiful woman comes and she doesn't say a word, So of course I had 916 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:54.359 wonderful the prit she says, you know, she just gestures and they have 917 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:59.119 their experience. But and people find that so hard to believe. But then 918 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:02.279 we have Star Trek and that's all James Kirk is doing, flying around space. 919 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.800 But this happened before, so there were not so yeah, there was 920 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:11.319 once fiction. Of course, you always had in the Pope magazzines of the 921 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.000 thirties and forties. You always had the monster taking the beautiful you know, 922 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:17.319 earth girl. You know that that part was kind of common, but not 923 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:23.399 the description of this guys as he tells it. So that case wasn't even 924 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.600 touched for years and uh and it was only published after the Betty Hill and 925 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.840 other cases have been published in America, and it was not even published in 926 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:35.840 Brazil. First it was published in Flying Saucer Review, even though the report, 927 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:42.199 which was prepared by doctor Rolavo Fontez, a pioneer of Brazilian upologist's been 928 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.239 dead for many years, very thorough report, and he was a medical doctor 929 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:50.239 as well and had excellent connections with the army and everything else, but this 930 01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:54.840 had nothing to do with the military. In this case. He thought the 931 01:16:54.920 --> 01:17:00.199 case was real and so he took it seriously, investigated thoroughly and did a 932 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:06.000 medical examination on Villas Boss and send the report to APRIL because he was the 933 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:12.680 representative in Brazil Opera, you know, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, which 934 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.840 was much more open minded than NIICAB. But even for APRIL this was a 935 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:24.960 bit too much because of the sexual contents. So basically even APRO didn't publish 936 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.479 it. But eventually the report by Fontist did get I guess, copied around 937 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.960 and he was published, I believe for the first time in Flying Saucal Review 938 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:40.199 in England, and then Denny was published in by Coral Lorenzen in one of 939 01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:45.199 her books, and so after it was published in England and in America, 940 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.279 finally the Brazilian said, well, you know, the caties out of the 941 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.399 bag, so we'll might as well published it too. So Denny was published 942 01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:58.600 in Okuzio magazine, which was like Life magazine, very famous magazine, but 943 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:02.000 I guess we won't discuss much of details, so people buy a magazine. 944 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:10.479 So when it comes to other countries and abductions. I mean you hear most 945 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:13.800 of that. Of course, we hear most about that here in the State. 946 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.560 We probably possibly and this is a question kind of you can answer, 947 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:24.680 have more people researching that and maybe taking that serious. What other countries have 948 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.239 that you see seem to have a lot of abductions? They do, but 949 01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:35.439 again, like in many places, because of the culture whatever, some countries 950 01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:41.119 being more conservative, having you know, more religious conservative type like in what 951 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:45.039 I'm talking probably like Islamic countries, but even Islamic countries, Turkey for instance, 952 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.640 which of course is not at all a religious country. You know, 953 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:54.680 it's a secular society. It's Muslins, but they're totally separated state from religion. 954 01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:58.960 And in Turkey there are many abduction cases, so there definitely happen. 955 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.279 I'm friends with I haven't met in touch with her recently, but I've known 956 01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:10.439 her for many years. Marie Teres de Bos She's a French journalist. She 957 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:15.159 used to write for Pari Match, which is one of the main magazines in 958 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:18.560 France. Very big magazine, like would be like Time magaz Party much Party 959 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.319 much would be like Time magazine here, although it's got a big format, 960 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:27.199 it looks more like life, but it's extremely famous magazine. Well, she 961 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:31.520 came to New York when I when I met her in the nineties, and 962 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:38.000 because she eventually she was researching abductions. Eventually she published the book on abductions, 963 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:42.039 mostly American cases, but I guess she went to pan at other places 964 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:46.039 as well when she published. But this was later her book. Originally she 965 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:50.239 published an article in this Pari Match magazine. I don't know what's the distribution, 966 01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:57.800 but it's huge. The magazine got hundreds, maybe thousands of letters wow, 967 01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:01.760 from reading people, from people having experience. Because the French, yeah, 968 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.720 they love their thorough and their investigations and all that, but abductions was 969 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:10.840 maybe considered too much for a lot of the UFO investigator groups in France. 970 01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:15.600 So that had been kind of lesst aside. We're talking early nineties, and 971 01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:18.800 so when she published this, I forgot she told me the amount. It 972 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:23.000 was like six hundred letters on. So the matter could be that it is 973 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:29.359 across the board worldwide, very similar in numbers as the United States. We 974 01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:36.640 just have more people listening. In Italy they did survey similar to what was 975 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:43.880 done in America with the roper Pole. I think it was this professor Corrolo 976 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.960 Malanga who did a lot of work in Italy, and I forgot the numbers, 977 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.960 but it was similar. There was a large number of people that I 978 01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:58.199 mean, once you extrapolate the poll. Well, we also have a case 979 01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:01.880 in the article I wrote for the magazine of an abduction in Argentina. So 980 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:05.720 uh, there you have it too. Of course they're not only Brazil, 981 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:13.800 Argentina, Chile, Mexico and less familiar with abduction cases in Mexico because it's 982 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:18.680 being less investigated. But there are contact cases I guess out there. But 983 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:25.920 oh yeah, contactee you have everywhere too, and that is in a way 984 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:31.119 it's less controversial in some respects because it gets more into you know, metaphysical 985 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.119 and a lot of people like that in in like in Latin America. So 986 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:40.520 contacteats have always been very popular. You have the opportunity of meeting some of 987 01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:45.720 them at the at that big symposium in Mexico City. Uh six to pass 988 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:51.439 from Peru is very popular and they fill theaters, these guys. Uh. 989 01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:56.560 But they don't talk so much about their case. They they basically talk about 990 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.079 they give a lot of religion in a way to people, you know, 991 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.000 and how alien are going to come and basically, you know, help us 992 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:10.119 to develop our consciousness. And so there's like a whole metaphysical kind of New 993 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:14.760 Age side of it, which a lot of people like as opposed to you 994 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:16.800 know, oh yeah, they took me into the thing and they analyzed me 995 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:21.960 and whatever. So which that that is some people are more resistance to that, 996 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.520 and that's I think what's interesting. And you know, you don't see 997 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:38.840 because we didn't have room I mean to do, you know, otherwise I 998 01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:41.800 would have to read what the case. Maybe you would have liked to have 999 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.960 gotten in there, but just there wasn't room for it. Well, another 1000 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.560 case that originally I was going to include, but we left it out because 1001 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.279 we already had covered it on the first issue, or wasn't on the second 1002 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:56.000 issue. I forgot we already think the second second issue. But it's a 1003 01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:01.560 very impressive case. It's unthreat the case in Italy because here you had a 1004 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:08.560 case which was documented actually by the Italian Caribbineri, the Italian police, they 1005 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.119 did all the investigations for that case. And also this this guy who was 1006 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.800 a private security guard. He belonged to some Fritz that that was his name. 1007 01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:24.560 He belonged to a private security police force. So but they had radios 1008 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:28.039 and guns and all that kind of stuff, which didn't help him at all. 1009 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:32.800 Then. Well, in one of the instances, the police, a 1010 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:38.199 CARBINERI said they saw him being taken and they were shooting at the craft. 1011 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:43.720 Right. Yeah, there is even a famous document from the Italian police which 1012 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:47.600 which we have in our files. We got from our colleague Mauricio Baiata. 1013 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:54.560 So it's a it's a very good case. There are case well, other 1014 01:23:54.680 --> 01:24:00.640 case, another case that I was tempted uh to use was the Godfrey that 1015 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.720 comes from Great Great Britain, that was a policeman. It's the famous case 1016 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:09.279 of a of a bobby of a British policeman who was driving in an area 1017 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:13.479 of Britain. This happened in the seventies and he was abducted and he was 1018 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:17.920 hypnotized and the whole thing. We have cases in Russia too, so it's 1019 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:25.359 all over the place. It was just a matter of selecting some and not 1020 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.399 others. You know, that's always tough when they tell you. But I 1021 01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.279 mean there'll be other times to write other articles in the future, so we'll 1022 01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:34.359 probably get to cover those. Yeah, likeily, we're not running out of 1023 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:40.800 time, so well on the show we are. But yeah, yeah, 1024 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.439 we can put them in the magazine, we could put them in the website, 1025 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:46.119 we can put them on the TV shows when we get to that, 1026 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:50.399 to that point. So yeah, abductions. I was saying, how the 1027 01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:57.359 public is more open to hear from contactees sometimes I'm from abductees. But however, 1028 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:00.399 the scientists and the psychologists and those kinds of people, well, they 1029 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:06.880 lean more towards the abductions rather than they contact tee because abduction is less metaphysical, 1030 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.439 you know, mumbo jumbo. It's more like some it's like a real 1031 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.479 experiences. Yeah, well not all, but most of them, you know, 1032 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:20.000 most of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have really taken an open minded look 1033 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:26.079 at this, uh concluded that, yes, these experiences are occurrent. Well, 1034 01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.319 I think that the well, and let's see if you agree with me 1035 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:35.439 here. I think that one abduction cases seem to be dropping off. You 1036 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.399 don't seem to run across them as much. I mean, I used to 1037 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:45.680 have people approaching me six seven years ago that they were having these experiences too. 1038 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:51.960 I think that it was especially while they're happening more and maybe still is 1039 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:59.039 one of the best situations of giving physical evidence because there are physiological effects on 1040 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.720 these people, and one thing that's never really been done is a thorough or 1041 01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:08.800 people being able to capture and study some of these physiological effects. There's a 1042 01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:13.880 physiological effects the other area, the other school marks, and then of course 1043 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:17.039 you have the implants. And I had the opportunity. We have a short 1044 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.840 article in this issue as a matter of fact, uh, the Ron Noel 1045 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:27.399 case. We went there with with Tom ruffin r TV direct meaning the abduction 1046 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:31.000 art one which is out right in the Abduction Issue, correct. And this 1047 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:36.000 we went to the offices of this doctor Matthew Ciano in in La Area, 1048 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:42.359 and Roger Lear of course, who was the best man, was there and 1049 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:49.119 was done. Hackton was there. It was almost a festival. My next 1050 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:55.880 Devanne Smith, so she will be able to tell you whether she's getting more 1051 01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:59.880 patients now unless yeah, she is the one that did the hypnosis with the 1052 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.039 people. And of course Ron, as you remember one hundred, we had 1053 01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:06.319 him here and in our office. He came with your wife. It's a 1054 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:12.359 very interesting story. Had never gotten any media attention or even an investigation, 1055 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:18.279 and it was only because he saw on TV one of these programs Ufour Hunters, 1056 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:21.439 one of those things where he saw Roger Lear as a matter of fact, 1057 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:28.880 taking one of these influences and quote coincidence or perhaps most likely synchronicity. 1058 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:33.279 It was on the same day that he had received from his doctor an X 1059 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:39.199 ray of his hand because he had had a work related accident or something. 1060 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:41.920 So they took an X ray and the doctor called him says, did you 1061 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.279 have surgery? The guy said, no, never, it's because he's you 1062 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.960 seem that you have a clamp there or something. So he had no idea 1063 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:53.199 what that was. And then he happens to see that TV show on the 1064 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.079 same day and that that kind of got him going and great, yeah, 1065 01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.680 well I'll talk more about that. In fact, were done here, so 1066 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:04.760 I'm gonna talk more about next week's with guests. But thanks for stepping in. 1067 01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:11.119 Luckily, we're really fortunate to have Antonio here. We're fortunate he didn't 1068 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:15.119 go home, and that he's always full of incredible information, So thanks for 1069 01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:19.039 stepping in. You're welcome. Next week, As we mentioned, we have 1070 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:25.640 Avon Smidt. She began researching the UFO phenomena in the late eighties and in 1071 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:32.279 the nineties she became a hypnosis specialist. After a couple of years internship, 1072 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:40.159 she got her certification, and then she began to work with abductees to help 1073 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:44.600 them cope with their PTSD, which we'll talk more about. Of course, 1074 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:49.439 it would make sense that they've gone through a traumatic experience that something would be 1075 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:57.319 going on there. So she also started Zero, the Close Encounter Resource Organization, 1076 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.479 which has monthly support groups and lectures. And actually they're going to have 1077 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:06.720 Stan Romanek very soon lecturing out there. In fact, in a couple of 1078 01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:11.000 weeks when we're going to be in San Leandro, I'll be speaking out there. 1079 01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:16.000 So Avonne Smith next week, So Open Minds Radio