WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.960 All right, welcome everyone to Rojas Report. I am Alejandro Rojas, the 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:10.240 host of the show, and of course the interviews with my special guests that 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.720 I do through the Rojas Report part of the podcast. So if you're a 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:22.399 podcast subscriber on on Patreon, you'll get these audios. If you on Podbean, 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.079 you have to do the subscription to get the interviews. Otherwise you just 6 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:30.719 get the Fridays updates and of quoting us on YouTube. You can watch these 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.479 interviews live and I keep them up for a few days before I put them 8 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:41.280 archive on YouTube and you can join click Sutton down there to be able to 9 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.960 watch all these videos with a lot of the main people that are involved with 10 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.799 all of this, Chris Melon, Luel Azando and all these people. But 11 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:55.200 there's somebody who recently got more interviews and better inns with more of these people 12 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.960 in this amazing documentary, and that is James Fox. I talked to him 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:07.159 now out his documentary The Phenomenon. Welcome mister Fox. Hey, great to 14 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:12.439 be here. Wonderful. I can see you've got the UFO lift. Oh 15 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.120 you can see it? Yeah, let mean the screen. Yeah, I 16 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.439 like that. I fell victim to that. I love my UFO lamp, 17 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:29.920 but shot a video with the theme music of uh X fox right, let's 18 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.319 had some fun with it, and I posted it on Facebook and somehow the 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.959 owners of that lamp, you know, the manufacturers, they were like, 20 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.799 hey, we really liked this video you shot of our lip. Can we 21 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.640 use it as a promo? I said, yeah, we're out there. 22 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.439 There's a promo of that lift you know that I shot, just having some 23 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:55.879 public a. Yeah, there are several these makers claiming to be the original 24 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:01.680 of the lamp, but who knows. But yeah, it's a super fun 25 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:07.000 lamp. And it's funny because I don't have shot. Where's the limp, 26 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:10.360 where's the lip? Where's the UFO lamp? They just love the UFO lamp. 27 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:14.000 In fact, I haven't had a comment on the UFO lamp yet, 28 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:21.840 but thanks for bringing up glad you like it fun. But so for years 29 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.520 now, which is typical of you, you're always working on something, But 30 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.680 for years now, you've been working on this amazing film, you know the 31 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.080 phenomenon. We didn't even know the title of the film for a long time 32 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:39.080 and it's finally out and I think, you know, it was well worth 33 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:44.000 it. In my opinion, loved it, and we were just talking about 34 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.759 this that you know, there could be some buzz out there. And I 35 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.800 think most of my listeners, because I've been talking about it for so long 36 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:57.840 and plus you've been on We've done some interviews during this time, that people 37 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.360 get this idea that it's stuff that I've seen before and it's not. I 38 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.960 mean, and I guess that's my first question, is that even though maybe 39 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:12.599 they've heard of some of these cases, maybe even let's say they've heard of 40 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:17.639 all these cases, you've got a ton of original footage, and I'm guessing 41 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:25.319 most of that's never been seen before. I knew that ultimately where we were 42 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:31.599 going with this film, and that is the Rua Zimbabwe landing case nineteen ninety 43 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:38.840 four. When I first heard about it in the nineties, not only did 44 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.639 I not believe it, but I dismissed it so quickly. I didn't look 45 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:46.879 into it again until for ten years. Wow. And I know, right 46 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:50.840 because my whole philosophy at the time was, and I was making the documentary 47 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.960 on UFOs, there's no way a broad light a broad daylight sighting could take 48 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.840 place. It could take place with you know, over close to one hundred 49 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:09.919 witnesses that proximity to the landed craft and have face to face contact allegedly with 50 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.680 beings potentially from another world, and the whole world don't know about it. 51 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:20.279 It's just you know. And so I've learned to suspend judgment and listen to 52 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:26.399 the evidence and listen to the eyewitness testimony before drawing any conclusions. And so 53 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.319 I knew that if I was skeptical of that case, and that's where we 54 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.879 were going, I knew how the general public was going to be. So 55 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:36.839 I had and obviously if we translated the UFO community and got a much broader 56 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:42.120 audience, mainstream audience, there was no way they were going to believe that 57 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:49.399 case occurred, the likeliness of that case having occurred without doing a snapshot historical 58 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:57.480 preview of the phenomenon. And I didn't want to bore my UFO community audience 59 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.800 to death. So I decided if I was going to do that, I 60 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:04.199 had I had to sprinkle a new angles, new archival material, new interviews 61 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:10.160 in with that. For instance, Kenneth Arnold, well, we have an 62 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:15.040 on camera interview with his daughter Kim Arnold. She releases reveals stuff that most 63 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:20.759 people never knew photographs, correspondence with the Air Force, just little things behind 64 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:25.639 the scenes. Nash in Fortenberry. Everybody's heard of that case, right, 65 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.279 How many people have actually seen an interview with William Nash. It's rare as 66 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:38.480 hens teeth and thanks to Tom Tullian and my sister Kelly going after this archive 67 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:43.839 material. Al chop I witnessed testimony in the radar room the night the night 68 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.000 of nineteen fifty two in July when the Capitol Building and the White House was 69 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:53.160 buzzed. Hearing his testimony of in the radar room, listening to the pilot's 70 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:58.600 voice as he's rocketing at five to six hundred miles an hour in the pitch 71 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:03.120 black and gets rounded by unknowns. Hearing that first hand testimony, that was 72 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:09.399 it's unbelievable. You know. So I did sprinkle the nineteen seventy eight United 73 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.759 Nations footage, you know, the very man Lee Spiegel. By the way, 74 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.639 thank you Lee for all you've done for this film. He put that 75 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.399 event on. He'd never seen footage of that event. We have, We 76 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.959 found that footage. So there's tons of stuff. I don't care what anybody 77 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.720 says. If I've seen it all you haven't seen it all. You know, 78 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.759 that un footage too, and a lot of these and I mentioned this 79 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.160 I think in my last like Friday newscast, which was you know, over 80 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:41.519 the years luckily because I got to help a little and you know, being 81 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.519 friends with you guys and keeping in the loop. There were so many exciting 82 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.319 and tense, crazy moments. Well you guys are trying to gather information, 83 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:56.519 helping where I could, but just you know, different things that were super 84 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:01.399 exciting. And the un thing was this whole drama about getting those videos and 85 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.680 how to obtain those videos. Your your sister then came through hooked it up. 86 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:13.240 And it's just funny because there's all these behind the scenes drama that happens 87 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.920 and then it all culminates, which is exciting and great in just a few 88 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.639 minutes if not seconds, you know, in the final movie, but that 89 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:27.519 that footage was able to be obtained and the scene goes for all of these 90 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:32.439 pieces of footage that you just mentioned, they are all these major accomplishments, 91 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:39.800 and the effort that goes into each of these has just been extraordinary. So 92 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.439 it's just funny. It's been this, you know, especially for those of 93 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:48.120 us behind scenes this dramatic roller coaster that now, now that all of this 94 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.839 footage is obtained, this piece is out. But I would imagine that you 95 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.120 know, there's more to do with all of this great footage that you've you've 96 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.800 captured, right, you know, it takes thee And I've said this before 97 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:07.800 and I'll say it again. This film is the culmination of the entire UFO 98 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:13.639 community's diligent work. Decade after decade after decade. There were people like yourself 99 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:20.720 and George Knapp, Jacques Vallet, Lee Spiegel, Mark Bearrish, Lancemungia. 100 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.560 I mean, the list goes on and on and on that we're working behind 101 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:26.879 tiresly, behind the scenes, you know, people that had gathered. I 102 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.159 mean I dedicated the film to Stanton Friedman, Don Schmidt, Kevin Randall. 103 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.159 I mean, it took a village to put this film together. And it 104 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.000 was not just the work itself with this particular film, but it's the result 105 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:45.200 of the research of the whole UFO community over the last seventy five years that 106 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.440 allowed David Marler, that allowed this film to become what it is. So 107 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.639 I thank each and every one of you in the UFO community for all that 108 00:08:52.679 --> 00:09:00.000 you've done to help make this film a reality because it I'm grateful to eat 109 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.919 and every one of you and I and this film's success is all of our 110 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.159 success. Now you sound like Loue Alisondo, He's always saying this, Really 111 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:15.360 I feel that way. I really do. Yeah, I could have if 112 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.720 I if I had enough time to thank each and every person that were involved 113 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.960 in making this film a reality, we'd be here for the next six hours. 114 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.759 But I just you know, I didn't need people to hear that, 115 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:30.799 because it's important for people to know that this film is a result of all 116 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:35.440 of us. So I want to revisit just for a second, just because 117 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.159 you know, not all of my audience. I get a lot of new 118 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.799 people that come in because you know, I'm I'm one of the podcasts. 119 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:48.320 I think that is more easier to get involved with if you haven't been involved 120 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.120 with UFOs, not just because I try to describe it with everybody the background 121 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.759 of the things we're talking about, but you know, I try to stick 122 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.919 to more credible information like you do with the film and and so I. 123 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.960 But the reason I'm kind of prefacing this is that getting back to what we 124 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.639 were talking about earlier, for those people who say, you know, I've 125 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.840 been involved with this stuff for a long time. I'm aware of you know, 126 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.320 this sort of topic and your films. Your films have all been similar 127 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:26.759 in that they present very good, credible information on this topic. What would 128 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:35.440 you say is different and unique about the phenomenon I've learned from each film that 129 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.600 I've been involved with the last twenty six years. Fifty Years of Denial, 130 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.759 which I started and completed in the nineties, then we started with Out of 131 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.759 the Blue. Then I did a second version of Out of the Blue, 132 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:52.399 just trying to outdo myself and learning from my mistakes and trying to do better. 133 00:10:52.480 --> 00:11:00.399 I know what I saw came remarkably close to getting a distribution deal with 134 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:05.320 with Lionsgate. I was devastated when it fell through, and ultimately it fell 135 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:13.320 through because they said that the production quality and the narrative was sub par I 136 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.919 think was the word they used. Well, in some respects they were right, 137 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.960 and so when I set out to do this film, I said, 138 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.200 well, I'm not going to make the same mistakes, and if I can't 139 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.279 afford to do it right, I'll wait until I can. And you know, 140 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.639 doing interviews and hiring national geographic photographers like David West, lighting guys, 141 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:37.000 professional audio guys, getting the top grade equipment. You know, see three 142 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:43.639 hundred cameras that are really high end that could withstand, you know, being 143 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:50.919 in theaters, hiring a sound engineer, having help with editors, having a 144 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.600 strong narrative. I mean, I got this wonderful writer, Mark Parrish, 145 00:11:54.639 --> 00:12:01.720 who was invaluable helped really stitch stitch these these cases together into a very powerful 146 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.440 narrative, you know. Having Jacques Fallet, I mean thanks to Lease Biegel, 147 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.399 Jacques Vallet in the interim, and he was going through marathon edit sessions 148 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.120 with us, helping us put the pieces of the puzzle together accurately, not 149 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.480 just from cases that he read about, but cases that he was intimately involved 150 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.039 with. Jacques, wasn't it an easy get right? I mean, he's 151 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.960 been trying to keep some distance and he had to be coaxed, and luckily 152 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:28.240 he had a passion for what you guys are doing. Of course, he's 153 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.039 great friends with Lee also. You know, he initially was like, well, 154 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.759 maybe i'll get involved that after I made the introductor to Lease Biegel made 155 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.519 the introduction, we had lunch. Number of times. I'm giving you the 156 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.960 trunketed version because we'd be here all night otherwise. But eventually we got him 157 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:50.279 to the studio. And it was funny actually because I if you guys saw 158 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.200 the conditions in which we edited this movie. It was literally in a shock 159 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.279 at the end of a dirt road in a garden with no electricity, no 160 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.919 running water, no internet, and no oilet and I had to run an 161 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.039 extension court from the main house of this woman. And it was supposed to 162 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:11.200 be a temporary situation because I couldn't find an affordable spot to rent the movie, 163 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.200 and I couldn't do it in my house because my son was interrupting. 164 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:16.679 You know, I had people over at all nights, on all hours of 165 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.960 the night, like coming and going. It's too disruptive. I was like, 166 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.200 this place doesn't even have a bathroom. He is freaking out. Yeah, 167 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.399 no, he was like, you know, attack by killer dogs trying 168 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.120 to go to the I'm not kidding you. I mean we could go all 169 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.840 all night, but but Jacques would come out. And when he first did, 170 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:37.720 I said, well, Jacques, make sure you do all your business 171 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.000 before you come out. Make sure you bring water, bring bring your compass, 172 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.039 Do you have any bear spray. You have pepper spray. We were 173 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.639 joking, but he'd say, Okay, I'm coming out. I got my 174 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.720 compass, I got my night light, I got my knife. And he 175 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.519 would come and he would sit in with us on these marathon edits and and 176 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:07.080 help us make sure that everything was put together accurately. And we got to 177 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.759 Roswell because I generally avoid Roswell. It's a bit of a hot topic, 178 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.120 you know, hot potato issue. But we were covering the Rockefeller initiative, 179 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.559 and the Rockefeller Initiative was about Roswell. I mean, ultimately that was the 180 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.159 case that Lawrence Rockefeller told the Clintons to go after the Clinton administration. So 181 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.759 we thought, well, we're going to have to go into to the Roswell 182 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.799 case very succinct, succinctly, and thank to you know, Kevin Randall and 183 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.519 Don Schmidt and a handful of others, Stanton Freeman, we very precisely and 184 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.519 accurately, with a laser beam focused, we did Roswell. And Jacques would 185 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.679 sit in the back and he would say, just the facts, ma'am, 186 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.240 Just the facts, ma'am. Which is one of the great things of having 187 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.440 Jacques there is that you know, he's a scientist, he's also a venture 188 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:00.759 capitalist. And you guys were out there in the Silic Kung Valley kind of 189 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.159 area where the where he's from. So, I mean, that's the beauty 190 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.039 of having Jacques helping out, reminding you stick to the facts. Jacques was 191 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.639 invaluable. Jacques was, uh, you know, he's my idol. I 192 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.720 mean, he's my I mean, I just you know, to Jacques. 193 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.879 And Jacques got getting so involved in the film and so excited about it that 194 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.519 it just kept expanding and expanding, and we've got dinners all the time, 195 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.600 and I'd meet him in San Francisco, he'd come out for weekends where I 196 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:39.639 live. It's out in the country and I consider him a dear, dear 197 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.399 friend now and we communicate a couple of times a week, and then ultimately 198 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.679 he invites us out to uh Silicon Valley where we got to go to the 199 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.600 lab with Gary Nolan and that was like, wow, that was you know, 200 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.720 just that. And you know, this is a good point for because 201 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.960 it's interesting your perspective about what's different with this film has a lot to do 202 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.879 with the production, the back end stuff as opposed to content. But even 203 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.720 with content getting to Valet and like your visit to this lab. What's I 204 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.759 think great about the film is that even if you like me, who is 205 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:23.120 on top of this stuff day by day, you may know a lot about 206 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:30.000 some of this stuff that's going on. But if people watch films, they 207 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:37.480 can go from zero to kind of having really all the most pertinent information for 208 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:42.240 this topic right now in one sitting by watching your film. Uh. I 209 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.399 think that's one of the beauties for one of the beautiful things about your films 210 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.559 all the time, but especially with this one, because not everybody is aware 211 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.600 of the work that Jacques and Gary are doing at that lab, a lab 212 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:03.399 in Stanford, trying to analyze anomalist material. Yeah, well they're not trying, 213 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:08.799 they are, you know. And Jacques is very cautious, as a 214 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:14.000 scientist should be, not to jump to any conclusions, you know what He 215 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:21.240 was willing to confirm on cameras that preliminary examination is startling. But he's like, 216 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:22.839 look, I got to send it to a scientific journal for peer review, 217 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.480 and there's a number of steps that we need to take in order to 218 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:33.519 make any definitive, you know, conclusions. And but you know, it 219 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.640 was it was a tease as to what's going on right now and that that's 220 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.200 real science. I mean, that's that's stuff that could be you know, 221 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:48.279 duplicated in a lab. And is on this website Academia for those of you 222 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.880 who aren't aware. And he provides a lot of his papers on various topics 223 00:17:52.960 --> 00:18:00.319 science papers, but one of the topics is this. He posted up there 224 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.400 a power point on the analysis of these metals so you can get more information 225 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:10.920 about them. It was the presentation he did in France, I think last 226 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:14.160 year. It was like a PowerPoint, wasn't it Or yeah, yeah, 227 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.920 PowerPoint, so along those lines as well. You know, there's so much 228 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.000 in there that's great. One of the things that I really like that you, 229 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.079 first of all, you got interviews with all the people you need to 230 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.960 get interviews with, or we would all love to get interviews with Chris Mellan, 231 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:36.960 Harry Reid, for goodness sakes, John Podesta. Chris Mellan though said 232 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.799 when you took him somewhere interesting, and I would love your thoughts on this 233 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.720 because this is a topic that I've really been exploring, is this idea, 234 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.240 because right now we're in a place where people are considering the UAP topic, 235 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.880 so the question is even the Senate Intelligence Committee is looking into this, are 236 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.319 there how deep do the secrets go? Of course, the UFO can unity 237 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.799 feels there's you know, aliens and a hangar and all of this sort of 238 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.000 thing, whereas you know, the military is certainly saying that's not the case. 239 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.519 In the Senate's looking into this, where do the secrets go? So 240 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:19.440 one of the topics that comes up for mainstream journalists and for policy people looking 241 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:25.680 at policy is is it possible that there are projects out there that even Chris 242 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:30.920 Mellon, who was essentially in charge of and had an oversight position over all 243 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.960 of the SAPs, the black projects essentially, could it be that there are 244 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.680 projects out there he's not aware of? And you went there first of all, 245 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:44.160 how did the conversation get to that topic? And what did you think 246 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:57.279 of his answer? You know, this topic is rampant with disinformation and misinformation, 247 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:11.960 speculation, conjecture. The only thing that I feel comfortable concluding the people 248 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:19.240 who likes are in a position to know is that the government knows a lot 249 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:26.000 more and are sitting on a lot more evidence than what's been released. And 250 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.839 I actually brought this up as well with Senator Reid, and I wasn't sure 251 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:41.160 if I was pushing his level of comfort. I left some of that stuff 252 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.880 towards the end of the interview, just in case. But he dropped a 253 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.680 couple of bombshells during that time, in one of which which you know, 254 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:55.920 I'll never forget, and that is I had And I'll get to your your 255 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.240 other point in a minute about technology and whether we've successfully reversed engineered and all 256 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.559 that nonsense in a moment. But to have the level of confirmation from someone 257 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:12.599 in his position was ground shake, brick shaking, I guess I could say, 258 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:17.920 and you mean, like his comment that when you asked him what's been 259 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:22.359 released, only the tip of the altburg is what they are actually sitting on. 260 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:27.000 And I even went this fall recounting an interview I did with Gordon Cooper 261 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.400 which made it into the movie, regarding that that infamous Circle nineteen fifty seven 262 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:38.799 footage of a landed flying saucer on the dry lake bed. And I'd interviewed 263 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.359 Cooper in the nineties about that, and in fact I took my father to 264 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.119 that interview. That was my father was, you know, Gordon Cooper was 265 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.319 an iconic figure of my dad's generation, and that made a pretty big impact 266 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:59.079 on my dad's you know, overall feelings on what I was doing. But 267 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.480 any case, I brought that up with Senator Reid and I was literally describing 268 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.359 how he said that, you know, this camera crew had filmed this object. 269 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:12.039 You know, they brought the film footage to to to Cooper. Cooper 270 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.400 had the film footage developed. I asked him, if you watch it, 271 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.039 He's like, I held it up, I saw it. It was all 272 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:22.039 perfectly good developed film of a disc on the dry blake bed and it flew 273 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.079 off. Meanwhile, I was getting hired and higher up with people in Washington, 274 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.079 and then eventually occurred. Jet comes in and he hands the footage over 275 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.640 and Senator re finishes my sentence and he says, and the footage was never 276 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.200 seen or heard him Again, I went, yeah, exactly do we have? 277 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:40.799 Did you un tocover stuff like that there? You know? And I 278 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.000 just I just couldn't believe it. It's like, yeah, it's there, 279 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.440 that stuff's all there. So I said, wait, you're telling me that 280 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:52.000 there's evidence that hasn't seen the light of day. And you know, it 281 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.720 was almost like time stopped there that at that time you know, roating these 282 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.839 kind of moments. It's like it's like time freezes over. And I could 283 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.400 have see around the room like everyone was kind to engage, everyone was fully 284 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.279 engaged. What's he gonna say? You know? And I could see as 285 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:10.000 he had security detail, this big buff guy with a little earpiece and he's 286 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.279 looking. Then he had an assisted old people. They're looking. The cameraman 287 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.720 is all focused on all that. The audio guy stops when he's doing it. 288 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.359 He's looking, and he's and he takes the cap off his water. 289 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:22.839 It takes a set, puts the cap on, it goes. I'm saying 290 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:30.640 that most said the evidence hasn't seemed to light a day that level of confirmation 291 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.119 for me, For me as someone who's been on this journey for for quite 292 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:38.519 some time, uh, that was a bombshell moment for me because, uh, 293 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.359 he has a lot of things. It says, you know, here 294 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:48.279 we got this Pentagon UFO program. You know, I guess it was about 295 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.839 ten years in duration, sitting in all this additional evidence, and what curtain 296 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.480 did they pull back and what did they uncover? And who's in charge of 297 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:00.799 that other stuff that they're talking talking about? Who's in charge of the other 298 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:07.599 evidence and potentially physical evidence beyond photographs and video and film, you know, 299 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:14.359 and learning that you know from John Podessa that they weren't happy with the answers 300 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.640 that they were getting. And Ford and Carter. Uh. You know what's 301 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.839 interesting too about that comment because I think it's really important and I would ask 302 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.799 Christopher Mellonis and Senator Reid, like if you know that this stuff is there 303 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.359 and the intelligence agencies are I mean, now, I don't know if enough 304 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.680 of that came in the cross in the movie, but he said that the 305 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.839 intelligence agencies were digging their heels in. They wanted no part of this coming 306 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.559 out. So who's got the authority to release this? That's what I want 307 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.720 to know. M H. Well, and that's I guess the process that 308 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.599 we're under, uh with the Senate Intelligence Committee. But what and what's interesting 309 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.799 is that, uh, well, getting back I guess to the original thing. 310 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:04.480 But I do want to talk about read is that with Melon your interview, 311 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:10.119 I think is the first time where he's at least I've seen where he 312 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:18.279 suggested that it is possible there were programs that don't follow the regular process and 313 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:26.319 our secret are beyond his control because Previously he had been skeptical that that was 314 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.359 the case. So it's interesting to know that his thinking has evolved to where 315 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.960 he told you, yeah, well as he feels like that. And in 316 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.960 fact, I know the exact shot when he's saying that, you're looking at 317 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.880 an aerial shot of the Pentagon, and I think what the implication there is 318 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:48.039 that it's gone into the private sector and it's out of reach to elected officials. 319 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.000 Yeah, and that's something I'm never looking at more. But I think 320 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.759 people don't realize that that's really important, that a lot of people are looking 321 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.839 at this issue. Is that possible? And if there is, is there 322 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:04.559 a breakdown in our oversight? Is our breakdown in? I mean it's it's 323 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:11.680 our financial governance. I mean, these are really bedrock issues to our democracy 324 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.480 that if that sort of thing is going on, it's a really big deal. 325 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.279 That's what I thought was significant about that. But getting to the redcomment, 326 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.799 what was interesting, Like you said, everybody's kind of weighted on bating 327 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.599 breath. What's he going to say? And you're worried am I pushing him 328 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.480 too far? And I can tell that you asked the question that way, 329 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.400 But what was interesting about his answer is that, And what made the moment 330 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:40.440 tense is that you can almost see a little frustration on his face. But 331 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.079 the frustration, it turns out, wasn't with you asking the question and pushing 332 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.559 pushing him too far. It seemed like by his answer, his frustration was 333 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.519 I want everybody to get it. I am screaming from the rooftops. There's 334 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:02.799 way more evidence of UFO that the world has not seen that the government sitting 335 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.880 on. I mean, he seemed very passionate that to get that point across 336 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.279 that. Yes, of course there's a lot more evidence. There's a lot 337 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.640 more to this that you guys haven't seen yet. You know, I honestly 338 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:22.920 got the impression that he had no intention going into this interview of dropping those 339 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:29.440 bombshells, because that's the impression I got, Yeah, because we were well 340 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.000 into the interview at the time, and I know that he by the way 341 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.799 George Knapp was. We owe so much to George Knapp for all the work 342 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.079 that he's been doing to make this film happen. To make that interview with 343 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:47.759 Harry Reid. In reality, George worked behind the scenes for months and months 344 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:53.039 and months, and I cannot thank him enough. And I cannot praise him 345 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:59.559 enough. And the other thing that he said whild shocked me was we were 346 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:06.599 this went. This added a year to production of the movie because towards the 347 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.839 end of the interview and he was very like, you know, on time. 348 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.920 I mean, he's like, I'm gonna show up at this time and 349 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.480 I got to leave it this time, and that's my window, and that's 350 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.519 what you're gonna get. So I made, you know, two and a 351 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.920 half hours prior to him his arrival. We made sure everything was turn the 352 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.240 cameras on a roll. All he had to do was sit down in that 353 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.599 chair and everything was perfect. Well, what's with his aid was like sitting 354 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:33.640 right in the center there. I know it is, but it's kind of 355 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.799 fun though. I liked it because it was like a gorilla, let's get 356 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.039 this done. Oh yeah, no, it was like, you know, 357 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.200 sit down and I can tell you some funny behind the scenes about how it 358 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.000 We almost lost that old interview about ten minutes prior. It was so stressful. 359 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.119 But anyway, I said it to read because I know he has to 360 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.319 leave in a couple of minutes. I said, would you mind terribly if 361 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.440 we could get a little b roll of us walking and talking just to have 362 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:02.119 just in case we need it. And I said, yeah, that'll be 363 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.680 fine. I only have I only have a couple of minutes here, so 364 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.200 we've got to make it quick. I said, great. So we left 365 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.160 the audio stuff, we left lighting just forget about it. We're gonna hit 366 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.640 that hallway over there and up and down a couple of times. It was 367 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:18.319 at the University of Las Vegas library, and we walk and talk, and 368 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.359 I figured, well, I might as well take advantage of the fact that 369 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.799 I'm, you know, standing here with Senator, you know, former senat 370 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.599 Majority of Theater, Harry Reid, and so I said, hey, you 371 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:33.279 know, what was one of the more astonishing aspects of the phenomenon that you 372 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:40.240 learned during this A tip program? And that's when he revealed them the UFOs, 373 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:48.480 the UAPs shutting off are incredibly sensitive, well not just in the intrusions 374 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:53.119 you know, into super sensitive nuclear weapons facilities, but that they were actually 375 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.799 shutting some of these wet weapons off, deactivating them and going as far as 376 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.640 saying, look at the president had called to launch. And by the way, 377 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.799 I think that comment on Fox News kind of got under Donald Trump's skin 378 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.000 because when Harry Reid said, if the president wanted the lawns, he couldn't 379 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.599 have. It's like kind of like the military is not strong enough to go 380 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.119 against whatever these things are. It's kind of funny the way he reacted to 381 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:21.599 that. But I realized then and there that I wasn't covering that angle in 382 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.440 the film, and so ultimately I reached out to Robert Hastings, and Robert 383 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:36.200 made his basically his lifetime research, including interviews at everything, completely available to 384 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.079 us. So we had a huge gratitude to Robert Hastings for all his work 385 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.240 and dedication and making that segment of the film. But we had to do 386 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.279 it because we had to put what Senator ree was saying in context. So 387 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.920 the military officers testify at the National Prep Club, you know, one after 388 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.519 the other, after the other after the other. Couple with documentation and the 389 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:03.839 photographs of them in the military, it create it's a much stronger case for 390 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:11.720 a christ for what Senator Reid says, an incredible job covering that topic. 391 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.759 Of course, Robert Hastings, he's written the book UFOs and Nukes, he 392 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.640 did a documentary on it and in which he let you use some of that 393 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.839 footage. I noticed some of his interviews, which is great because that made 394 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:29.839 that section really strong. Now, skeptics are saying that you took Harry Reid's 395 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.920 comments out of context. I'm not sure in what manner they feel that's the 396 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.200 case. But to clear up, I mean, that's not the case at 397 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:44.119 all. Right. He brought up that its that UFOs are affecting news. 398 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:49.559 I have an email confirmation of Senator Harry Reid as of three or four days 399 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:55.559 ago to confirm that everything presented in the film is one hundred per accurate. 400 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.920 And that's what he said. And I had to have that for the likes 401 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.319 of Politico, the Guardian, Fox, which are all writing articles now. 402 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.640 Oh well, they needed that confirmation and they got that confirmation. Awesome. 403 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:15.319 Oh so Politico is working on something some of these other We've seen a couple 404 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:21.759 of stories on this already, but I know somebody who wants there on this 405 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.720 topic very well. Well, I'm sure a lot of others are, which 406 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:31.000 is great because well, and that's what's important about you presenting that information and 407 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:36.839 doing it I think in a manner that is better than perhaps I've ever seen 408 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:43.160 before to lay out the case that to support Harry Reid's claim that you know, 409 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.799 there are a lot of people around the world, it's not just an 410 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:54.480 American phenomena that nuclear silos, nuclear missiles have been affected during UAP encounters at 411 00:32:54.519 --> 00:33:07.720 these launch locations. All we did was take the amazing decades long research of 412 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.640 Robert Hastings, the testimony of the military officers that he's tracked down, and 413 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:21.359 we put that segment together. And I remember my partner co producer, writer 414 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:28.079 Mark Barrish, I mean, we must have ripped that apart and put it 415 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.559 back together one hundred and fifty times. Wow. At one point I was 416 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:36.559 in a fetal position, just going, oh my god, I'm never going 417 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:43.960 to get this, dude. No, but it shows and I think it's 418 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.079 really I think it's really even though it's only a few minutes long, I 419 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.319 think it's really impactful. And the other thing that kind of blows that argument 420 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:58.000 out of the water that Reid was taken out of context is that I think 421 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.279 assumes that Harry Reid is not very well versed on this topic. And one 422 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:08.199 of the things that you're demonstrating here is that Harry Reid is very well versed 423 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.000 on this topic. And one of the things. George Knapp has told me 424 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.239 that Harry Reid was going to nid's meetings, so Bigelow Aerospace before they even 425 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:23.440 got involved with the government investigating UFOs. Bigelow was doing his own investigations and 426 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:29.599 Harry Reid was involved, So he's been keeping tabs on this topic for decades. 427 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.800 Jacques vl A debriefed Harry Reid at least once, if not more, 428 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:43.000 top secret clearance, and Jacques was involved with NIDS and ut AW SAP. 429 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.000 I think it's called eight what is that awsapp? Oh, and I did 430 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.360 want to get into that, but yeah, yeah, and I know that 431 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.960 Harry Reid since the eighties, according to George Knapp and in actuality, Harry 432 00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:02.760 Reid had talked about his relationship with Bigelow and and NID and even bigger exciting 433 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.880 of a UFO when he was a kid. So yeah, his interest and 434 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:14.159 research goes back decades, right, So I mean, yeah, this is 435 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:20.119 nothing new for him, which is also I mean really exciting in that you 436 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.199 know, we have this advocate of Unfortunately he's in his eighties, his health 437 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.960 is kind of not the best. You can tell that in the film, 438 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:31.760 and in fact, I would imagine that when you had your walk. You 439 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.119 know that he he's showing his age, I guess is what I'm getting at. 440 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.320 He's unfortunately older, so hopefully people other people will kind of pick up 441 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:46.400 the mantle to run honest. But well, I I'm so grateful for his 442 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:52.840 courage and coming forward and staking his reputation. Uh, you know, everything 443 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.639 to lose, nothing to gain. So I commend him. In fact, 444 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.039 I commend all of the people that have come for the household names. I 445 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:06.960 mean, you know, uh, Governor Bill richardson which Don Schmid was influential 446 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:13.400 making that happen. Podesta, Christopher Mellen, you know, these these these 447 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:20.480 people are doing so much, louel Azondo behind the scenes to help bring attention 448 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:24.800 to a topic that I feel is that most I would agree is very very 449 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:30.639 important and people have a right to know about mm hmm. You know, 450 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.199 there's kind of this debate going on now about a lot of different aspects, 451 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.840 and of course politics is a hot issue, so some people are bringing that 452 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:45.239 in into this. Although you know, this effort a lot of people. 453 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.880 In fact, lou Alessandro did a Q and a type of thing on Twitter 454 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.280 today and he makes a point that this has been a bipartisan thing. And 455 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:59.719 uh, you know, lou Alessando Chris Mellen are not partisan at all. 456 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.400 I mean they they were part of their jobs. They try to remove themselves 457 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.280 from that. But have you gotten a lot of that, A lot of 458 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:15.159 feedback as far as you know, politics and accusing you, you know, 459 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.320 being involved with some kind of I'm sure you get a lot of weird theories 460 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.039 about your film. I you know, I try not to engage, and 461 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:27.000 I see people every now and again, you know, oh, this film 462 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:28.960 is part of the deep state. I'm like, oh my god, it 463 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:35.039 really is. But I do get those comments. I mean, I'm I'm 464 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.360 Joe public. I'm as independent as you could get. You know, I'm 465 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.199 I'm you guys, you know what I mean. I'm Joe citizen. And 466 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.599 I've just wanted to make a difference and try to get some of the more 467 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.400 credible aspects of the phenomenon out to the general public. And I felt necessarily 468 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:55.519 rely on our government to do that. I can say to the Stars and 469 00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:02.239 Big Group ND and you and the a Tip and ASEPT that the private citizens 470 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:08.440 involved run the gamut when it comes to political perspectives. I worked with people 471 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.800 from both in both parties and and it's just a non partisan issue and as 472 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.239 it should remain to be non partisan. And even the other night when, 473 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.519 uh, you know, when I was on Fox News with Tucker Carlson, 474 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.119 Tucker even said, look, this is a non partisan issue, and he 475 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.880 kind of jokingly said, you know, and Senator Harry Reid is about as 476 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:35.360 a Democrat a Democrat as he's ever seen one or something I can't remember, 477 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.199 but then he said, again, this is a non partisan issue, and 478 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.960 then completely had respect for what, you know what what Senator Reid was saying, 479 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.400 and and back and and publicized it far and wide. So I'm very 480 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.840 encouraged by that. And I think this is a wonderful opportunity to unify the 481 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.639 country and potentially even much much more than that. It's it's one of those 482 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:05.280 topics that that transcends religion and borders and politics, and whether you believe these 483 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.440 things are going on or not. I think everyone is curious, are we 484 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.639 alone in the universe? Is there evidence being withheld from the general public that 485 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.960 would support the fact that we are not alone in the universe? And how 486 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.440 significant of discovery would you give that. I mean, these are questions that 487 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:24.039 I think everybody wants answers to and I'm convinced because people ask me all the 488 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.000 time why do I do what I do? And well, I'm convinced that 489 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.480 there is evidence out there that's that every man, woman and child has a 490 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.440 right to know. So, you know, I have another on your hairy 491 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.559 interview, and you brought up as APP was it, which was the Advanced 492 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:45.119 Aerospace Weapons System Application Program, which was the kind of precursor to a TIP, 493 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.039 which is really where the money went at first, And in your interview, 494 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.280 because this is kind of ASAP is mysterious, and it kind of seems 495 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.639 like there is kind of a cover up in a way over ASAP in the 496 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.360 UFO community, I think in that they don't want to taint the UFO waters, 497 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.239 which I can understand. But I was wondering if that kick came up 498 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:10.599 in your interview because the original thing that Harry Reid tried to sponsor was an 499 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:16.920 investigation into a lot of different paranormal phenomena, not just UFOs. And in 500 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.119 one of the answers he gave you, he used the he said the term 501 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:27.119 I think all these phenomena. So did that come up? You know, 502 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:34.320 did you get a sense of him having a really large interest and other topics 503 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.440 you know that are considered paranormal. Yeah, he talked about the ranch skin 504 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.239 work a ranch, Uh talk about I think putting sensors at the ranch and 505 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.679 some very unusual things happening there. I think there was a visit by some 506 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.599 guy in the CIA. He might have mentioned, but we primarily focused more 507 00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:01.440 on UAPs. But yeah, you mentioned other paranormal stuff. I guess you'd 508 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:07.960 call on that now. Someone else, one of the conspiracy guys is saying, 509 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.519 well, why now for you in this film? For me, it 510 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.440 would be like, it's always now. You've been as you know, you've 511 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.079 been doing films on this topic for decades, and you're always working on films 512 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.239 on this topic. So why now. It's because because this is what you 513 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.400 do. I've got got footage. Yeah, I've got footage of me in 514 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:31.079 my twenties, thirties, forties, and fifties doing this stuff, you know. 515 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:37.280 So I've been doing it since the mid nineties and this project though, 516 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:45.079 started really before all of these major disclosures we've had in the four years. 517 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:51.719 So that's the other thing I wanted to ask the Evolution project because you know, 518 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.400 I'm sure didn't. Could you speak to that? How much did this 519 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.119 change and how much did this grow? And kind of a life of its 520 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:07.559 own as revelations are being made while you're creating this thing. So there's been 521 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:14.639 a pattern with every film I've made. When I started on my first UFO 522 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:20.519 documentary, which is called fifty Years of Denial UFOs, the fiftieth anniversary of 523 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.039 the Roswell event broke and that guy, Colonel Corso, I know, he's 524 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:30.039 highly controversial, whether you believe his accounts or not. That made headlines and 525 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.480 you know that was kind of a boon for us at the time of production. 526 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.639 When I did Out of the Blue, we made that major revelation of 527 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:50.840 will Governor five Senten of Arizona coming forward. That made major headlines, and 528 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:55.639 cod catapulted the UFO matter back into the headlines, which is one hundred percent. 529 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.880 You one of your you know, interview when you were making one year 530 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.519 films, not everybody knows that you're the one who got Simonton t Yeah, 531 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.519 so I'm out with that. Then when we were doing I Know what, 532 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.199 I saw Leslie and I did that event at the National Press Club, which 533 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.519 we made a film about, and all of a sudden in two thousand and 534 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.880 eight, two thousand and sevento and nine, all these countries, France and 535 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.719 England started to release previously classified UFO files. So that was making headlines. 536 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.519 You had the two thousand and six UFO sighting over Ohair Airport that made major 537 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.519 headlines. You know. So I jokingly said, you know, because I 538 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.800 didn't know really exactly how I was going to end this movie. And I 539 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.360 jokingly said, well, you know, something generally happens. You got piazzon 540 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.000 valleys during the something generally happens. And I'm sure you know, because every 541 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.639 film I ever do is at least five years inevitably, something's gonna break. 542 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.840 There'll be a sighting or something, and and well we'll cover it. And 543 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:04.199 but I had no idea that that story was brewing, it was going to 544 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.559 wind up on the front page of the New York Times. That was like 545 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.719 wow, that caught me off guard in a major way, and that sent 546 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.159 us, you know, additional couple of years of production. But hey, 547 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.880 I mean, what a wonderful place to be, What a wonderful place to 548 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.159 be four years into production and that story to break. I mean, we 549 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.480 were right there in the middle of it. I mean, it's kind of 550 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:31.119 like when I went to when I was doing some pickup it was actually ended 551 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.599 up to being I know what I saw, But I was actually doing a 552 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.599 revisiting my film Out of the Blue, because I've got two versions of an 553 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.159 earlier version, of older version, of the newer version, and the newer 554 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.760 version. I was doing some pickup shots in Phoenix, Arizona, when that 555 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:50.599 case in Stevenville, Texas broke, Remember that massive sight in se Texas that 556 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.639 was all over the place, And so I happened to have a camera crew 557 00:44:54.159 --> 00:45:00.079 all like already in Phoenix. We literally jumped on an airplane. We landed 558 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.480 that night in Stephenville, Texas, and we were at the town hall meeting 559 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.360 the next morning, all with our cameras. So that it just happened to 560 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.760 be right place, right time, and this incident on the front page of 561 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.880 the New York Times, a revelation of the secret UFO Pentagon program. We 562 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.599 were in the right place at the right time, and I think it was 563 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.440 around that time of that film. I guess that you did did the Larry 564 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:31.519 King episode with Tom DeLong, and this was before Tom Delong's to the Stars 565 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.800 Academy, which is kind of interesting too. That was a little bit later. 566 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:42.440 Tom DeLong and I met for the first time in two thousand and nine 567 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:49.960 and he let very generously let me record the narration for I know what I 568 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.800 saw in his studio. Oh wow, I did not know that. Yeah. 569 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:55.960 Yeah, so that was two thousand and nine. Ten, I think 570 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.840 in two thousand, late two thousand and nine. Yeah, so I've answered 571 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.199 that's the first time I met him. I heard about him a little bit 572 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.000 in the past, but actually met him and you know, kind of came 573 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:13.000 acquaintances during that time. So speaking of the end of the film, it 574 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.400 is kind of interesting. And there has been comment made about how the film 575 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:25.360 is mostly the UFO phenomena. I think a deep examination and what's great about 576 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:30.800 it is that when you watch this film, even though some of this is 577 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:36.280 stuff you know, I think or is covered by others, I mean, 578 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.400 you do a deep dive. You have I think you have more Blue Book 579 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:44.719 people in your film than any film that's been done since maybe when Blue Book 580 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:50.599 was running. So you really get an intimate look on how the military has 581 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:55.239 been dealing with this issue over the years, and given this coming into the 582 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.000 current time, then getting these interviews with the people who are making the news 583 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.639 right now, but getting information about this that isn't out there that they haven't 584 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.599 talked about before. So but then all of a sudden, Aliens, of 585 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.599 course one of the most incredible cases. But the Ruwaine counter, like you 586 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.920 said, what was kind of the idea behind that? It was kind of 587 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.159 like, you know, you've got all this stuff and then all of a 588 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.880 sudden, here come the Aliens. A great case, and I love it, 589 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:30.920 but what were you thinking? What was kind of the the thought process 590 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:36.840 behind that shift. Well, if you look at the previous three films I've 591 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.360 done, I've only covered close encounters of the first kind and second kind. 592 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.559 I've never gone into close encounters of the third kind. Because when you've got, 593 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.000 you know, allegedly reports of beings, that's very different than you know, 594 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.599 just seeing something that's unidentified in the sky, or chasing something or maybe 595 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.599 even as far as the landing. But when you actually report on what could 596 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:07.800 be alien beans to another world, boy, that's a that's a slippery slope, 597 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:14.840 and I feel like I'm My biggest concern was that the people like Harry 598 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.960 Reid, who clearly wanted to see the final version of the film. Prior 599 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:25.880 to I was terrified, quite honestly that here I was, for the first 600 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.320 time, imagine delving into close and kinds of the third kind, Like like 601 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.800 if I walk down the street right now and tapped on the shoulder of you 602 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.159 know, with my mask on, tapped on the shoulder of an average you 603 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.280 know, Joe public and said, hey, have you heard about you know, 604 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.159 a UFO landing in Africa at a school? And the occupents got out 605 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.880 and interacted telepathody with like sixty six or a hundred children, you know, 606 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.360 talked about, you know, this image of doom, of environmental destruction, 607 00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:00.199 like Pi, what pie are you with? Smoking? Buddy it? So 608 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.159 I knew what I was up against. I knew what my reaction was to 609 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:09.639 that case, right, and so I very carefully And you know, I 610 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.760 have to tip my hat to Randall Nickerson, who's got a film coming out, 611 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.840 Aerial Phenomenon, and the new producer who's Dan Farrah, who we're very 612 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:25.920 fortunate to have on board with this production. Dan is a very mainstream producer. 613 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.119 He did a Ready Player one with Steven Spielberg, and he's pulled out 614 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.519 his rolodex and he's gone all in on his contacts and really helped, you 615 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.599 know, quarterback all the pr that's been happening, and he's incredibly talented. 616 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.360 But in any case, Randall Nickerson, I got to tip my hat to 617 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:50.920 him. He was very helpful in tracking down the witnesses and really doing that 618 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:58.639 case justice because you know, not only licensing the John Mack footage from nineteen 619 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.840 ninety four, those interviews with the children are priceless, but also hearing from 620 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.920 them twenty years later and it's like the incident had occurred yesterday. I mean, 621 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:13.559 they remember every detail that is. You can say, like, boy, 622 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.320 you almost got me with the children. But my god, when I 623 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.559 met with them when they were was adults and they're still saying the same thing. 624 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:27.800 That was really impressive. So I felt like the sheer volume of eyewitness 625 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:34.880 testimony in broad daylight, the Harvard psychiatrist interviewing the children at the time right 626 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.639 afterwards on camera isn't incredibly compelling. Hearing from them later and the fact that 627 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:44.639 we don't draw any conclusions. You hear a little comment from Judy Bates, 628 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.280 who is a teacher who's now the head mistress at the end in Africa, 629 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:58.440 I was comfortable enough leaving that in and to my I wouldn't say total surprise, 630 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:07.159 but surprised that not only did Podesta and Read and Melon and all these 631 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:13.119 other people sign off, but they're also willing to publicly endorse this film, 632 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:17.599 which I it's amazing. I've never that is great a level of endorsements for 633 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.440 a UFO film that's happening right now, and that's that's remarkable. That's got 634 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:29.440 to be indicative of of of this field post New York Times, and of 635 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.320 course I guess, well, maybe you can confirm this, but I'm convinced 636 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:39.079 knowing well, having talked with most of well some of those people that but 637 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.800 still following interviews and these guys and what they do, in my mind, 638 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:51.239 there's no doubt that all of those people, Podesta, Malan Reid were already 639 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.519 aware of the RUA case. Maybe I would imagine they were. I mean, 640 00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.199 they're very They're more well versed than people realize, I think. But 641 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.039 it's one thing to be aware of it. It's another thing to be associated 642 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.960 to a film that alleges contact with alien beings and telepathic messages. I mean, 643 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.920 think about that. I know that's what's incredible, and because you're already 644 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.800 pushing the envelope with people and then you really kind of push it a little, 645 00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:23.559 push it even further. Some people have argued, and I knew there 646 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.599 would be some of this, Some people have argued that that kind of illegitimizes 647 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.760 the entire rest of the project and undermines the credibility of it. And I 648 00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.320 knew some people would say that because there's a lot of what Stan Freedoman would 649 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:45.800 called negative what negative negativists or something, I forget what is a funny term 650 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.000 that he had. But regardless, it's been a lot. I've heard a 651 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.320 lot less than that than I've expected. There's been very little of that, 652 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:59.199 And the mainstream coverage I don't think is really gone there, not at all. 653 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:04.360 You know, Look, you're gonna get and I've been told this time 654 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:08.119 and time again, you're gonna get lots of you know, Look, we 655 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.239 have a ton of very positive reviews, very positive mainstream reviews. I mean, 656 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.840 I've never seen anything like it. Obviously, you're gonna get, you 657 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.519 know, the negative stuff or you know, too far. Look, i've 658 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:25.320 heard not games didn't go far enough, that's right, Yeah, noisy negativists 659 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:32.639 you're never gonna please everybody, obviously, And look, our goal was simply 660 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:42.280 to create a body of evidence that could be presented to mainstream and I would 661 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.039 say, where are we During the production of the film, we had a 662 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.920 mantra in the studio We're on the road to RUA. And what I meant 663 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.360 by that is that we're building our case so that when the audience watches this 664 00:53:53.480 --> 00:54:00.960 film and that incident occurs at the end, people can walk away way thinking 665 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:06.400 to themselves, Wow, maybe that case actually did happen. And honestly, 666 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.480 I think that we have succeeded in that. And some people say we haven't 667 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:15.159 gone far enough. Some people say we want too far. I don't know. 668 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.920 I think we got it just right. I think, you know, 669 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.159 you've got a great point there. And the other thing that I would justify 670 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:28.800 that is you're asking the big question, and this is the big question we 671 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:35.199 have to face. And to kind of justify it even further, it's the 672 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.760 same question. It's the same thing SETI does. Seti's not saying there are 673 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:43.920 extraterrestrial civilizations are out there. They're saying that the numbers show that it's got 674 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.000 to be the statistic. The odds are that they're out there somewhere, but 675 00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:51.960 we think that it's an important question and that's why we need to do this 676 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.000 research to try to figure it out. That's exactly what you're doing. You're 677 00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:00.519 showing the potential where we could lead to if if we seriously investigate it, 678 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.280 and why we need to look, which is the argument that everybody who feels 679 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.960 the same way needs to argue right now with the Senate that hey, you 680 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.119 guys are reviewing this UAP stuff. We as a public are very interested and 681 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:19.519 we want more information because it could be it's even if it's a long shot, 682 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.800 we could be being visited. There could be an interaction with some force 683 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:30.480 greater than this, which justifies the entire effort. Senator Harry Reid puts it 684 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:37.960 so beautifully. He says, just because you don't understand something, it doesn't 685 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:42.400 mean you should run away from it. We should embrace it, and we 686 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:50.119 should study it. It's funny everybody's now noisy negative, noisy negative in the 687 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.519 chat. Yeah, now they're all saying, yep, that's what it is. 688 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.719 That's what we have. Propagation that used to say, you know that 689 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.679 we've we dedicated the film to Stanton Yeah, which is awesome, Which is 690 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:08.719 so incredible because really, you know, the public probably wouldn't really Roswell wouldn't 691 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:13.760 be a household name without Stanton Friedman. I want to say one thing while 692 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.159 I'm talking about Stanton Freedman, if I may for a moment. By the 693 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:22.760 way, I was devastated when he passed. When I found out he passed, 694 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:30.800 it if those of you out there have a good sound system. Because 695 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:37.880 this film was going to be in theaters, I at the last two months 696 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:45.880 of production, I had two options. One because I didn't have enough money 697 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:53.400 to do both. One was clean up the graphics and hire some more high 698 00:56:53.519 --> 00:57:01.519 end graphics people. Or two was to focus on sound engineer. And because 699 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.159 it was going to be in theaters, people in the industry kept saying, 700 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:13.760 look, you don't understand. You need to understand the importance of good, 701 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:21.920 properly mixed, properly filtered sound. And people are going to be in the 702 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:28.880 auditorium or the theater and they're going to be irritated and distracted and thennoid and 703 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.159 they're not going to know what it is. It's bothering them. It's the 704 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:37.840 sound. And so we did a Dolbe five point one surround sound mix with 705 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:42.599 a three time Emmy Award winning sound engineer in Los Angeles. So if you 706 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:49.760 guys have good quality speakers, please use them because the sound is phenomenal. 707 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.960 And at the end, oh yeah, and at the end it's five point 708 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:57.679 one Dolby surround mix. If you have a five point one Dolby surrounding stereo, 709 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.559 you're going to hear voices all around the room. I mean, it's 710 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:07.360 like amazing. And at the end, watch all the credits. I trust 711 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:13.679 me on when I tell you, guys, watch the credits. Stanton Friedan's 712 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:19.599 name appears. And I wanted the chairs to rumble, and I kept saying, 713 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.320 deeper, more thunder, like there's a super deep bass there, super 714 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.920 deep bass. I hit it and we went over and the guy kept looking 715 00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:30.840 at me. Is this enough? And I said no, I want more. 716 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.960 And it's more, you know, how about this? Like the yeah, 717 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:44.719 I was like, and your chair rumbles. You can feel, you 718 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.639 can feel in your bones. I can't wait to rewatch that part. But 719 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.920 you gotta have good speakers. Please watch the movie with good speakers. Uh. 720 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:59.199 Getting back to rua real quick. I've interviewed and I've spent time with 721 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:05.400 and only Trim and sel Acidic, two of the witnesses who are now adults. 722 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.960 And there's something I found and I would look your feedback on this because 723 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:15.239 I recognize this. I think in your your show all there is something odd 724 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:20.239 about them they are. I don't know if it's the education system or whatever. 725 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.079 I know it's a rural area that they went to school and out there, 726 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:35.400 but they all they intelligent and eyes and articulate, I mean both of 727 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.239 Every time I talk to either of them, especially on this topic, I 728 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.360 feel like, you know, it's kind of incredible. They feel like they're 729 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.119 wise beyond their their years. It's almost like they came face to face with 730 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:52.000 an alien from other world, you know, like they had telepathic communication face 731 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.039 to face. It's weird. It's almost like that. Well, and and 732 00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:01.280 it lends to that in a way in that you know these of course, 733 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.519 the ideas were advanced for them to share at the time as children, but 734 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:12.239 even now to reflect upon them, certainly you can tell the impact. But 735 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:16.519 the impact overall, even though it created some curiosity and sometimes some conflict with 736 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:29.360 people, overall it seems to have had a positive fit in that they it's 737 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.000 almost like interviewing astronauts. I always say this when I interview astronauts, there's 738 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:37.559 a wisdom that they have from going out to space and being out there. 739 01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.760 It changes them and then when they reflect upon it, you know. It's 740 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.440 some of my favorite moments is to talk to astronauts about these sort of things. 741 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.760 And I almost get that same sense when I'm talking to these reu WA 742 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:57.320 witnesses. It's it's weird, it's but they had definitive proof that we're not 743 01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.880 alone. We're part of a much bigger universe. You know. One of 744 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:09.719 the most poignant moments of my career was sitting down with astronaut Edgar Mitchell six 745 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.400 man to walk on the Moon, and we are in the middle of this 746 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:22.760 interview about UFOs and I said, Mitchell, I'm so sorry, doctor Mitchell 747 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:28.400 to ask this of you, because I'm sure you've been through this. Could 748 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.920 you tell me what it was like to go to the Moon. And He's 749 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.320 like, okay, you know, I understand. Jam Yeah, I said, 750 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.159 if you don't mind, I'd really like to hear it. No, 751 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.800 I'm glad to ask everyone who meets an astronaut, even if they get annoyed 752 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:46.880 you got to ask because it's changing. It's just to listen to them, 753 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.119 right, Caudless story. What I do when I really want to absorb a 754 01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:59.679 witness's encounter or any kind of story, like I did the same thing when 755 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:07.280 I met with firing this guy Travis Walton, is what I do is I 756 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:15.079 closed my eyes and I have their words create the imagery. So I see 757 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.320 the story and I live it with them, and I asked them to create 758 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:22.920 it in vivid detail. So I really feel like. I went to the 759 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:31.599 Moon with edgar Mitchell, and the part that struck me the most, he 760 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:37.119 said that he was so caught up in the task at hand of landing this 761 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.599 module down on the lunar surface that he might as well have been in a 762 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.000 simulator because he was just so focused on all the instruments and everything else. 763 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:51.599 But then one system shut off and everything was silent, and they'd been up 764 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.360 essentially for three days, traveling to the to the to the moon. He 765 01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:01.400 said that it was a silence unlike anything he experienced. And then he could 766 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:07.199 hear these macro meteorites helting the skin of the craft. And they got there. 767 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.559 They were supposed to sleep, but they were like we're not sleeping, 768 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.960 and they got their suits on against the will of NASA. They're like, 769 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:15.880 look, we're going we're going out on the loot of surface. Sorry, 770 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.840 but we're not. We can't sleep. So they got their suits on, 771 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.199 and I went on the on the moon, and he talked about an Earth 772 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:30.239 rise and he said that he looked at this beautiful blue marble suspended in a 773 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:37.599 vacuum of space, this darkness that you've never seen, and rise and he 774 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:43.480 put his hand up and he blocked out the entire Earth, everything that you'd 775 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.840 known, all the cultures, all the invisible lines you need to about, 776 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:51.280 all the wars that were going on, and all the different cultures and just 777 01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:57.679 all of these things. And there were no there were no lines of territory. 778 01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:04.199 It was just all one. We had this profound epiphany of this this 779 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:12.320 this interconnectedness, uh and the one race and one people. And I know 780 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:16.960 it sounds like, you know, Kumbaya moment, you know, but but 781 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:19.960 it's true, you know, and it really I think about it all the 782 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.760 time. In fact, when I look at the Moon, I think about 783 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.880 him describing what it was like to stand on the lunar surface and look back 784 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:30.639 at Earth. And the time that to process that all that stuff. And 785 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:35.800 I wish, quite honestly, more politicians would have those epiphanies and see ourselves 786 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:40.239 for who we really are. I mean, really we were one race. 787 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:45.519 We're one people and one planet, and that's the reality, you know. 788 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:56.000 And I think the unifying effect of this phenomenon reality that would have on the 789 01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:05.239 world could be a beautiful thing because forced us to have a similar epiphany because 790 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:12.400 that's the reality. I think Scott Kelly told me it. He realized that 791 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.719 that's our when you look back on the Earth, that's our spaceship. That 792 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.440 we're all on this spaceship together. And of course, for Nasi, your 793 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.599 crew members are your life, you know, almost like the military. You 794 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:27.199 rely on each other. And he thought, you know, that's our spaceship 795 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:31.679 and all of the rest of the humanity are are our crew members? Yeah, 796 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:38.360 that a great example of what I'm talking about with the real wine encounter. 797 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:43.320 Somebody asked, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer. But and 798 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.880 I know that at least testimony was not from regression. That's something they remembered, 799 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:54.079 and I don't think they any of them were hypnotically regressed. No, 800 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.599 didn't hear any of those. None of that. I didn't hear any of 801 01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.400 it. No, none of it. It's a legit question because it was 802 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:05.119 you know, John mack a psychologists who kind of went out and participated and 803 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:10.760 helped bring this case to light. But no, yeah, not regression. 804 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.599 These were their exact memories of what happened to them, which is so strange 805 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.119 and like for people who don't know, well, just in the hand, 806 01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.559 you know, real quick, you know that it was all these kids see 807 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:27.639 this craft land an entity comes out and I'll just leave it at that because 808 01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.840 your film puts it together perfectly. I mean, it's beautiful the way it's 809 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.280 put together and shot. So people film to get more. I'm gonna share 810 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:40.639 one little thing with you. Uh. The end of the movie was a 811 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:56.039 complete accident because maybe I shouldn't give it away, but do like but the 812 01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:01.559 children is all I could say. Because a lot of people have criticized me 813 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:05.800 for a long time about what I do. Oh yeah, oh my god, 814 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:14.760 yeah, topic, Oh god, Jesus I they're not laughing so much 815 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:16.920 these days, but they believe me. I got decades of people laughing at 816 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:19.679 me, and you know, you just get tired of defending it. I 817 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:24.639 would go to cocktail parties and I would tell people, please don't say anything 818 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:28.039 about what I do, because I know what's going to happen. It's going 819 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.719 to be this debate and I'm going to spend the rest of the night defending 820 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.440 myself and I don't want to hear about it. And I don't care whether 821 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.760 they believe it or not. It's like sort of question of belief. You 822 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:41.440 either know what's going on or you don't. And no one's screaming from the 823 01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.840 hilltops et is here. We're just saying there's something truly inexplicable taking place. 824 01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:50.239 It seems to be technological, it's it's it's psychic, it's you know, 825 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:57.119 there's there's an intelligence behind it. But but in any case, the ending 826 01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.840 of the film was a bit of an accident, and I'll leave it at 827 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:02.360 that. Yeah, it was a bit of an accident because I've done this 828 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:09.559 whole montage of things with sound and adult voices on the children's under them as 829 01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:14.119 children and reflecting on what had happened, and having twenty years to think about 830 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:17.880 it and process all that, and obviously being an adult and being able to 831 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:26.680 articulate better, and then I screwed up and I deleted all this audio that 832 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.840 was underneath it by accident. But then I realized, like, wow, 833 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:36.119 that's that's pretty powerful on its own. And so that's the end. At 834 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:43.800 the end is sort of created itself. I wanted we've kind of running We're 835 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:45.520 pretty much running law on time, but if you've got a little more time, 836 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.520 I would like to talk about the bonus materials. And some people have 837 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:53.880 made some good points, and they've been telling each other, you do need 838 01:08:53.960 --> 01:09:00.920 to get the movie on ituned or vimeo and ordered that bonus material. But 839 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:02.840 the great thing is is that you were able to provide some bonus material. 840 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.239 I don't think they have to pay more for iTunes or vimeo to get that 841 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:10.880 VI too. No, no, don't. So that was the whole thing 842 01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.279 was people were like, oh, this price point is so high, Well, 843 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.960 there will be an option to rent at one point. Put with renting, 844 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.279 you just get to watch the film a few times. With buying it, 845 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:21.680 you not only get the movie you can watch it over and over and 846 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:25.840 over, but you also get about three hours of bonus material. And we 847 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.800 got to interview some of the stuff that didn't make it into the film. 848 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.800 Some of the older archival footage. I mean, I've got the the it 849 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:38.640 did at the National Press Club with Leslie Kane. That's fantastic behind the scenes 850 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:43.520 stuff there, old interviews with doctor heinik Ufo, signings over Colorado, a 851 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:50.199 killer interview with Story Musgrave talks about piloting the space Shuttle over Earth, the 852 01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:55.000 epiphanes that he had looking back at the planet. I mean, it's just 853 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:59.960 fascinating stuff, priceless stuff as part of the bonus material. So definitely get 854 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.800 film. If you're got to buy it and not rent it, you get 855 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.880 it from iTunes or vimeo. Oh, and the website has the links on 856 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:16.479 it. The website is the Phenomenon www dot the Phenomenon film dot com. 857 01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:20.600 Excuse me, so, I mean, where do you think we're headed with 858 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:25.279 all of this? What is your sense having talked to all of these guys, 859 01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:30.199 Because no doubt, you know, of course the film, the footage 860 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.960 and the time you spent talking with all of these guys, It's only a 861 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:39.439 fraction of that is represented in the film, So you had time to talk 862 01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:43.319 with all of these guys and putting this all together, do you get a 863 01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:54.600 sense of where we're heading with this? We edited the film up until a 864 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.760 couple of months ago, month and a half something like that. I mean 865 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:06.920 talk about last minute, and one of the co producers, Dan Farrah, 866 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.239 was like, you know, James, you should really put a call to 867 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:15.159 action in the film. And I thought, you know, Dan, that's 868 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:21.039 a really good idea, and so he had recommended. We had a That's 869 01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.000 why I asked you if you've seen the newer version, because the newer version 870 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:30.199 has got the latest stuff dating as recent as April twenty twenty with the acknowledgment 871 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:34.039 and the official release of those cockpit recordings from the Navy. But at the 872 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:38.039 end, we have a call to action. Contact your representative, let him 873 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:42.000 know that we want government transparency. We know there's more stuff to be released. 874 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.520 You know, people want to complain about anecdotal evidance. First of all, 875 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:50.319 there's not just anecdotal evidance. But we know we've had confirmation from people 876 01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:57.880 that know that the government's sitting on a treasure trove of solid evidence and we 877 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.239 like that to be released. So I'd like to see more pressure on our 878 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:06.920 representatives. And remember, our representatives need to hear from their constituents. They're 879 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.640 not going to take action loan. They need to know, Hey, this 880 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.840 is okay. If I put my neck out here, wouldn't it be amazing 881 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:16.520 If we can get congressional errands. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could have 882 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:23.199 an assessment of the phenomenon made public. I mean, think about the implications. 883 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:27.159 So I'm very excited as to where it's headed right now. I think 884 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.000 that we might have reached that tipping point, but we can't take it for 885 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.960 granted. We need to keep the pressure on. Look, you know, 886 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:42.279 we've been getting a pretty good amount of publicity, and this film is getting 887 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.000 out there, and you never know when it's gonna plateau. You know, 888 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.039 it could plateau tomorrow. I don't think it's going to I think it's we're 889 01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:54.680 going to keep the pressure on. I heard Politico might be even covering it 890 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:59.239 or deny. Now, there's lots of things brillied behind the scenes for lots 891 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.920 of and then will continue to do so. Remember this is not just going 892 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.159 to be a week long push, a two week push. This is going 893 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:10.920 to be a seven month push so and maybe even a year. So there's 894 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.520 going to be a lot of very exciting things. There's talk of once the 895 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:19.479 pandemic passes and there can be a safe reopening the theaters. There's talk of 896 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:25.880 doing a limited theatrical run. That'd be amazing, you know, conferences, 897 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:30.279 you know, using this film as a tool, and that's that's what we 898 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:32.119 want. We want to educate the public as much as we can. We're 899 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.520 not trying to force anybody into joining our cult, you know. But it's 900 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:42.279 like we feel that there's enough credible uh information that people should be entitled to 901 01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:46.880 have that that we put together mm hmm. And I'm sorry that interrupted you 902 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:50.640 too from where you think this is going, which I love the point that 903 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.920 you made, which has been my big point that right now we've got a 904 01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:00.560 bigger opportunity than we've ever had to actually make some changes. Right now, 905 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:06.159 the Senate Intelligence Committee, this hasn't happened except for maybe before nineteen sixty nine. 906 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:13.680 The Senate Intelligence Committee is deciding what to do with this topic. They've 907 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:16.840 asked for information, they're going to be reviewing information. They've already seen more 908 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:23.119 information than we've ever seen. So right now is the time to let them 909 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:28.000 know how we feel about it as a public. Yeah, And I've also 910 01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:31.039 gotten calls from people that in a position to know that said that this film 911 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:35.880 is making the rounds at the Pentagon ah members of the House and Senate, 912 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:40.600 which is kind of cool. You know they're going to know because a lot 913 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.720 of them don't really know, like, well, yeah do here. This 914 01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.800 film kind of lets you know. Yeah, And Chris Mellan and Louise Elizondo 915 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:55.199 have expressed their you know, how much they like the film more so than 916 01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:59.079 I think they've they've done with any other third party thing. I mean, 917 01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.359 they're pushing your film as much as they pushed their own TV show Unidentifying, 918 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:08.680 so they lee leve it. That moment for me when I saw that tweet 919 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:15.119 from lou Alizondo, I had a moment when I saw that because I was 920 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.359 like, wow, man, we did it like we did it. This 921 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:29.039 is this is a level of validation that I've never felt before. And that 922 01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:32.960 was so cool for me, you know, as the director, to see 923 01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:38.239 that, you know, an insider say, hey, this film says things 924 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:43.279 I can't This film is is totally accurate. I was at the Pentagon for 925 01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:47.640 ten years. That for me was Wow, that was my wow moment. 926 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:54.279 Hopefully I have a lot more Yeah, and you know, I oh, 927 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.319 I just lost my train of thought because there's a guy who felix sunsets, 928 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:04.760 right, I like sunrises or sunsets long strolls on the beach. No, 929 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:13.159 hu train a thought back on track. That's all. Oh, I see 930 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.720 what you're saying. Uh No, I wasn't. I was going to talk 931 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.960 about seeing if you want to take a walk on the beach, but that 932 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:23.199 was after the interview. But there are just people, And I guess my 933 01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.359 point is there's people who are bringing out a lot of more of the fringe 934 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:31.520 ideas. But even if you do believe in some really wild kind of more 935 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:39.840 bigger conspiracy, it's still I think behooves you to let your congress people know, 936 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:44.960 especially in Senate, your interest in this, because the doors cracked open, 937 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.439 and we want to keep that crack crack open, and so we need 938 01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:54.359 to let them know that we really want that, which can then continue to 939 01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:00.840 help lead to more discoveries and disclosures that may bring us to what, you 940 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:06.079 know, more some of the wilder ideas could be the case. Now he's 941 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:11.560 talking about walking on the beach. Look, it's good. I think it's 942 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:25.399 gonna be much harder for those in power to dismiss this phenomenon as unidentified or 943 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.720 misidentified aircraft, swamp gas, weather balloons to an informed public. Once you 944 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:38.159 know that there's a lot more to this than swamp gas, it's a lot 945 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:42.199 more difficult for them to pull the wool over our eyes. And I'm also 946 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:45.319 kind of happy, to be honest with you, I I was, I 947 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.560 was unsure of it. I'm I'm really happy that we addressed Roswell and I'm 948 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:55.079 and I'm glad that the people that are in the film, Jacques jacque Rolet 949 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:59.720 being one of them as well, haven't shied away from associated them with a 950 01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:04.079 film that that that touches on Roswell, Because you know, it's one thing 951 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:10.199 to talk about little things whizzing around in our airspace. It's another thing to 952 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:15.880 talk about beings on the ground and alleged crashes. So you know, it's 953 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:23.520 that's the big deal. Right. Yeah, So my my last I guess 954 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:28.279 what will make kind of my my last question here is the other criticism that 955 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.920 we saw, and I think it might have been in the CNN piece or 956 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:39.000 one of the mainstream media and huh graphics. Yeah, And I get the 957 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:43.279 point, and in a way, I I'm on your side, and that 958 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.560 that's not the kind of documentary you were doing what they're talking about. However, 959 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:51.560 I get their point, and I really appreciate the question because because they're 960 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:58.760 questioning that aspect, it means they're taking the content and the material very very 961 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:03.960 seriously. Remember I said to you, I had two decisions whether it was 962 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:09.159 going to be sound or those graphics and recreations. I could only afford to 963 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:13.239 do one at the time. Well, I chose sound, and I knew 964 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.880 that some of those recreations that were part of UFOs and Nukes, which is 965 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:25.159 an amazing product, amazing research and amazing doc well, amazing graphics. I 966 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:29.920 think I think they're really good. Yeah, but to do things like at 967 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.079 the level of like Steven Spielberg, which is what we would like, is 968 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:38.000 getting a huge budget, Man, it's out of reach for people like myself 969 01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:43.039 and Robert Hasing's. But I think their point was something different, which I 970 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.920 love the idea of personally, and in fact, you know, we kind 971 01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:50.239 of tried to do this with open mindset times. I think they're like thinking 972 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:57.600 this topic needs like the sixty minutes treatment. Yeah, it means that really 973 01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:03.039 serious document enery style where it is lots of talking heads, but it's all 974 01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:08.039 centered around the content. Yeah, no, no, no, I look, 975 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.279 I set out I used that very analogy. This is going to be 976 01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:16.560 the sixty minutes of UFOs Frontline sixty minutes. Those were the types of productions 977 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:24.840 that I wanted to see, seriousness, high production, value style production, 978 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:31.039 and for the most part we did it. There were some graphics and things 979 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.439 of that nature that we just kind of ran out of resources and that were 980 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:38.720 good enough. I mean, you know, I kind of feel like you 981 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:45.720 made the right decision though personally, because what you created is more palatable, 982 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:54.520 more interesting to the general population. If you did something more wonky like they 983 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:59.560 would like, it would only be interesting to a smaller segment, the people 984 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:03.000 who like news and you know, like that nerdy, you know, real 985 01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:06.880 detailed pundit type of stuff, which there's a place for that, and it 986 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:12.279 would be great for something like that to be created, but we're kind of 987 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.079 at the point where, you know, the wider population needs this information and 988 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:21.840 what you created is I think, more more entertaining, more app to get 989 01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:26.800 more eyes on it, which I think right now is more important. We 990 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.800 focused on credibility, credibility, credibility, because you don't need to sensationalize a 991 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:39.319 UFO lady if you can, that's that's what you need. Well, great 992 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:44.359 job with the film. Thank you so much for being here to talk once 993 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:47.800 again. And we'll definitely do this and not too distant future. But I 994 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.920 know right now you're swamped. In fact, you probably have more interviews today, 995 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:56.760 tomorrow, all week long. I do, and I'm trying to space 996 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:00.520 things out. I mean, I'm just super excited that people are giving us 997 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.560 the time of day, yourself included, and all the work that's gone on 998 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:10.119 behind the scenes. I'm so grateful to everybody in the UFO community to have 999 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:14.800 made this project a reality, and I'm really really excited to see where this 1000 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:19.880 is all heading. I'm very optimistic that it's moving where it needs to move. 1001 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:27.079 We're getting enough highly influential people. You know, we have a mini 1002 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.319 army marching behind us. And this is remember this film success is all of 1003 01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:35.439 our success. This is a culmination of everybody's hard work and dedication and it 1004 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:40.239 takes a village. Well, thank you so much, and we'll be talking 1005 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:43.279 again. In fact, I'm going to interview you for Den of Geek, 1006 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.279 an outlet I write for that has a big following more of a sci fi 1007 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:49.359 type of thing, but we've gotten a lot of great responses on these sort 1008 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:54.920 of interviews. And then I know Phoenix Move has asked me to help them 1009 01:22:55.279 --> 01:23:00.199 do an interview for them with you, so we'll be talking a lot as 1010 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.199 we usually do, except for when you're hunkered down in your little shack editing. 1011 01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.600 Yeah, well yeah, I got a lot. Just sorry, I'm 1012 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:12.960 editing. Sorry I'm editing, and when that was going on. But yeah, 1013 01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:15.359 always great to talk to you, and we'll talk to you again soon. 1014 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.399 Thank you, Alejandro. I had a lot of fun. Oh and 1015 01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:21.520 I should say for those of you watching normally, we have a What's doug 1016 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.760 Reading live stream that we do today, but now actually I'm gonna get in 1017 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.399 my car and head back to Arizona, so we won't have one of those, 1018 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:35.520 but I will have the Open Minds News regular show tomorrow as well, 1019 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:41.760 and in fact, for the Scientific Coalition for a Ufology or for UAP Research, 1020 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:46.760 the SCU, I'll be hosting an interview with doctor Michael Masters tomorrow also, 1021 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:50.640 so keep an eye out for all of that great stuff. So until 1022 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:56.039 next time, James audience, We'll see you later, and thank you so 1023 01:23:56.119 --> 01:23:58.239 much. Have a wonderful day. Bye.