Are you or are you or hello? What' s up? What a
welcome pleasure I am Luis Miguel Alegado. For me it is a pleasure,
privilege that accompanies me in one more chapter of what good question. Thank you
for joining us good morning, good afternoon, good night wherever you are.
And today I am accompanied by a lawyer and the truth is that I am
very happy because he is not only a lawyer, he is a great friend,
he is a great lawyer and here in Queretaro he is marking, because
really a story worth telling and for me it is a pleasure. We will
talk about many things in the legal sphere, but I am very happy to
be able to introduce my dear lawyer Renato García, how you are, friend,
welcome. Thank you very much. We said friend you say, thank
you for being here, for really accepting that it' s a pleasure and
privilege. We' ll talk about things that you handle very well and that
people need to know and know more about all this digital stuff. And let
me introduce you to my guest, as he deserves, is the graduate Remato
Garcia. He' s born in Mexico City. He holds a degree in
law from the Universidad Tecnológica de México. Lawyer, applicant and teacher, Diploma
in Amparo Law. He holds a diploma in federal fiscal defense, a diploma
in civil and commercial procedural law, a legal adviser, a junior lawyer and
a deputy director of area in RLG. Lawyers. He has been an attorney
in charge of the Workers' Union of the Chamber of Deputies of the Congress
of the Union. Partner. Founder of Gatri and associates sc is a full
professor at the University of Tominaga Nakamoto since the two thousand and twelve. He
is the head of the Chamber of Deputies of the two thousand and twelve to
date Associate Professor of the Salle. Speaker in the Chamber of Deputies on matters
of control, constitutionality and convention. He is a rapporteur at the Criminal Investigation
Agency on amparo, in the new accusatory criminal system. Speaker at the University
of Anahua de Querétaro for the topic of companies and entrepreneurs and is a speaker
in the Municipality of Huizquilucan on human rights issues, health rights. Founder of
Tribe Business Network and Bueno Believe me it would take me more than half an
hour to introduce my guest that the truth is a pleasure and a privilege and
I am honored my dear lawyer to have you and to all of you thank
you stay shared, because this chapter will be very interesting and more if you
handle brand issues, if you run your business, your organization. Let'
s talk about networking, but we' ll also talk about the risks you
can have on the digital issue if you don' t advise well with a
lawyer like my guest. Thank you all. If that' s all right
with you, let' s get started. No kidding, counselor. Really.
Eh I will take more than half now in just introducing you welcome,
but to see beyond all your medals, your successes, your achievements, your
recognitions. This is the first question I ask all my guests. Who'
s there? Who is behind all these recognitions, who is Renato, Garcia,
Welcome Hello, how are you, well, yes, look, the
truth is that I am a friend. I consider myself a friend to everyone.
I look to everyone as much as I can, we support him and
he also supports me, I say we are all of us. I'
m actually a friend. It' s the truth of things. My dear
friend. Thank you very much, thank you, Renato, and good for
the legal issue. Your family has lawyers. Why does this desire arise to
study law and then go to the bottom with everything you did. Yeah,
look, the truth is, in my family, a hundred lawyers. I
have a very close relationship with my cousins, who are Carlos and Francisco,
the twins of the firm of RLG jos Holland Garcia drowned and with that,
that is a little stronger. Dude. Please, you can talk to me
a little louder. Yeah, sure I do, man, I' m
telling you, I got some cousins. It' s just that I think
they' re setting me up to follow their path, because they' re
really excellent drowned, but above all, excellent people. What this is.
Carlos Rosés Lande and Francisco Rosarlanda are my cousins and very good friends too,
as we are a great greeting to your cousins. Listen to the legal issue.
They tell the truth there are many clichés around you. You know that
well, it' s not something I' m getting out, but they
say finding a good lawyer is hard and finding one who' s honest uff
worse than that. Why they carry such a bad reputation. You lawyers notice
that yes, uh, I mean, we have a reputation that precedes us
and that it' s fatal and terrible. Really. I tell you one,
as a lawyer fights with everything, does not fight against the judge,
against the stitch and is already against his own client, because always the client
thinks that, because of that reputation of lawyers he says no. This guy
' s even got a joke they don' t say Listen, you come
in with a lawyer and you come in with a cat. No, why
with a cat. Ah, well, if you put it on the table
and the cat runs, then that lawyer is a dog, no, but
if the cat gets hit, then I have a tie, because it'
s a rat, not then. But no, yes, of course,
there are so many things that are said about lawyers and yes. The truth
is, there are all kinds of lawyers. One tries to score pauto,
but, like everyone else, I don' t consider myself the best lawyer
for much or anything. No. The truth is that I have too and
I have had many mistakes and I still have it and I will keep having
it as hard as you try. I mean, I think it' s
part of human nature, but, yeah, lawyers have a very bad reputation,
look, that' s a very curious thing, because up to here,
how do you get two when you have to delegate your house? Something
that' s good. Mexicans, at least Mexicans are not other countries,
but Mexicans are specialists in everything they play, the national team. We'
re the best technicians, technical directors. There are elections in this country as
there will be in. I don' t know how many weeks we'
re the excellent digital marketing political scientists who pollute experts. Not good, they
even have digital sherpa names and evangelists and they have super weird names like that.
But when you talk about law, that' s where everyone does talk
to a lawyer, because that' s when we really don' t know
practically anything. There is also the understanding in the air that you, as
right- wingers, do not obviously have to be very well prepared. Yes,
it is true that to be a lawyer you have to study a lot,
prepare a lot, as in any career, or you particularly have to
be always very well informed, because you know what happens I tell you here
so many issues come and are so diverse in this career you make the habit
of reading aha because necessarily, all the demands are written, all the answers
are written. Jurisprudence of the Court is written and laws are written and everything
is written. Then you really get into the habit since you' re in
the first semesters of the race, when you' re in the middle of
the race reading, reading, reading, and that sets the tone for you,
because you' re already so used to it that suddenly you already win
this book. You already want this. You already have a lot of things.
And that' s why the lawyer, because he usually knows about them
obviously, you' re never going to know about all the issues, not
even in law or is a lawyer specializing in tax matters, it' s
hardly going to take business or civil matters and asa or channels. Each range
has its own degree of specialization. Yeah, right, now we' re
talking about what and they' re saying. Now you' re saying from
your own mouth. I mean, you' re supposed to be the ones
who read the most. Why do I say this, because in Mexico it
' s a good thing. I saw a statistic the other day. I
don' t think I know how they got it. It' s about
one eight books a year that a Mexican reads go if suddenly on Facebook he
doesn' t say he sells red shirt, medium size. There' s
no shortage of people asking me a lot as a digital strategist and what color
it is and that' s how it says no and it doesn' t
have a girl' s cental, it doesn' t say medium. Not
then go to the Mexican. It' s hard for him to read when
you' re talking that you have the habit of reading, because obviously,
everything is the judicial system in Mexico is written down, except I understand criminal
law. It is the only branch that has already entered into force of the
new accusatory system, where there is already this confrontation and this question, which
is clearly verbal, looks at this not yes one of the premises or the
parteaguas the criminal matter. Yeah, there we are back. We just have
a little problem with the microphone, probably because he wanted to enter a call
or a message or something. We didn' t listen to your graduate.
I' m talking not about what he arranges. The subject of audio.
We can' t hear you. I' m talking to Renato Garcia.
He is a lawyer with many graduates in Amparo, in tax matters, in
civil, commercial matters, has his own law firm and has also participated well
as a law professor in many subjects for a long time and is now founder
of the tribe business network that we will talk to him in a few more
minutes on how to have and grow on this business network issue and I think
it is something very important what was talking to us right now the lawyer that
in matters of instruction, reading, training, preparation. Well, then,
this topic is very important in terms of being able to be well prepared,
read, study, prepare, devote themselves to the subject. And I think
there' s a big difference there that' s very marked as far as
people who do have a great experience and who don' t have a great
experience? Why? Because preparation is a lot. We' re on our
way back. He' s already with us here again, Counselor. There
you hear us, yes, sorry, go, go, go, there
we hear you clear and strong. Te. I remember you have to talk
to us a little louder about charlen Jundia, as they say in my village,
so that it can be heard better. We were then discussing this new
system of criminal accusatory, which is already oral. No, but I was
asking you that all the proceedings are usually in writing. No. Not good.
The tendency is that everything that trials are going to be oral. I
mean, right now. We have orality in commercial matters, orality in civil
matters, orality in labour matters, which has always had a certain level.
Orality in general matters. Yes, all subjects. It is the tendency to
get to the subject of orality. However, there is still a written part
in Part One that is the written claim for the whole issue of complaint,
i e criminal proceedings. Well, it' s written. Right, the
complaint is handled by the prosecution. So, the specialized prosecutor' s office
has to write, it has a loose police report, it has to fill
in a lot of things, and all that you have to see is that
complaint that you obviously want her as in civil or mercatile matters. Well,
it' s lawsuits, et cetera. But there is a part written in
all subjects and you will continue to see for a while. Listen to what
I want to ask you. Then, apart from reading a lawyer, he
must be well prepared, he must have a skill also to speak, a
skill of critical thinking not to speak for speaking. We have sadly seen in
Mexico a very deplorable political polarization that today there are people who defend a party.
I don' t want to talk about either, I don' t
want to talk about any character, but who defends a game. And why.
Well, because I want to, why, because, yeah, no
foundation, no reason. Today I believe that you, the lawyers, must
be very well prepared, have a very agile thought and a sagacity to handle
the law. What if you wanted to give me a recommendation and all the
people who wanted to study law in due course, what would be the three
basic recommendations, what would you give us to tell us to see, to
be a lawyer, I recommend three things. You must have and you must
do. First, talk to us about what I should have and then what
I should do. Please, lawyer ok first the ones I should have.
I have to have a taste for reading. That, as we said,
a taste for reading. If you don' t like reading, if the
truth has started reading, then I recommend you look for something else. OK
two you also have to have a developed lens of objectivity, not of objective
themes, but of objective, because that matters in law. The goal doesn
' t interest you like that. Hey it' s bad, because I
don' t miss eating your kids at this hour or I didn' t
prepare your useful ban i e, objective subjects that can be credited with documents
and everything. So you have to have an objective mind and number three you
also have to prepare a lot good, you have to have a lot of
deal with people aha because in law, one of the situations is that all
customers are different in the subjects and you have to learn to understand each of
the assumptions that that client handles ok. That' s about having no clan
and what I should do. Ah well, and what you must do is
precisely prepare yourself number one, prepare yourself constantly. You have to prepare to
train yourself because on issues of legal argumentation, of syllogisms, of many things
that you have that right I tell you is very extensive, very broad and
always you. You have to be preparing number two of a new account,
you have to learn to interpret, to read one thing, to read to
have the habit of reading and another is the subject of the interpretation of the
norm from a presentation, either constitutional, conventional, on some subject, of
some code and so on. There may be several interpretations of the same article.
Then you have to know how to interpret the law or the spirit of
the legislator and compare with different legal systems and so on. Not that'
s the other one, and the three of you have to learn to talk,
because if you can' t talk, then have some great ideas.
You may have a very solid argument in your mind, but at the moment
of expressing, I can' t write. It' s not what you
mean. That happens a lot in the first demands that you make, in
the first answers you say, I stayed wow and suddenly the lez or someone
else' s. I said something I didn' t want to say.
What did you mean by that? You agree to talk to us, a
little bit of your first, the first trial you won and the first trial
you lost. Tell us, Don' t tell us, customer details or
anything, just tell us, from your perspective, how you lived it,
how you suffered it, what you did afterwards. When you won, you
went to party or when you lost, you went to cure your defeat with
alcohol, not or nothing of that, like you did. You know,
yeah, well, I' ll tell you about defeat first. Yeah,
me, the first defeat I ever had. The truth is that I felt
very bad, extremely bad, very sad, disappointed. I said this is
not my thing that I' m doing a lot of things that happen to
your mind. No yes, it' s very sad and you' re
disappointed in yourself that part has to be worked out a lot on the lawyer
' s surcharge. It precisely comes in the cases you must know that in
this race you win and the judgment the idea is to try you and with
your expert give you the best of the senses. Yes, it' s
very sad. The truth is that it is already right now with the experience
I had, because you realize what the faults were and, evidently, they
were less failures. So clear or, on the other hand, victory,
that victory in all spheres. If you fuck up a very, very pleasant
feeling and the truth is that you say everything is worth it, not some
of the areas, as you say it I love the shelter. In fact,
I' m going to do some scarring of some person who told me
that the shelter was so beautiful that it has the name of a woman and
that, like every woman, put an idea of understanding it, but in
both cases it' s worth the care. OK. Yeah, yeah.
Amparo is a beautiful thing, because it is the protection of fundamental rights,
constitutional guarantees and human rights. That' s the protection. So not many
people have access to it. And I think that one of the reforms that
we think should be done is that the amparo is for everyone, that is
to say, a shelter for your putting of thirty- five thousand pesos and
others that I think is not saying in a general way, no, but
you should be more accessible to everyone. Hey, you' re being turned
into your guarantees by some authority, your human rights, your fundamental rights,
because we' re going to find a way to get it totally free or
it' s very important. Fundamental rights are the greatest. Imagine, I
think life itself costs a lot to live, that is, it costs a
lot to live, it costs a lot to breathe. We saw it with
the pandemic, which suddenly a tank of oxygen, which really cost very little,
a mouth cover, which cost pennies, which cost a weight. Suddenly,
with the issue of the pandemic, we are not seeing in Mexico today
that they want to reform the topic of amparo And there has been much talk
about this reform, which, obviously, to manipulate it and to profit more,
you told us that you like the protection very much. And with these
experiences you' ve had, I think a main feature first is to tell
you that you, as lawyers. If anyone should know how to handle frustration
tolerance very well, it' s you. I don' t mean,
sometimes you win see and sometimes you lose them. There are times when you
win a trial, but you lose it later with a revocation, with a
sentence of amparo. Then, suddenly, there are no victories forever and no
defeats forever. At the end of the road everything happens and it can suddenly
change one sentence for another. No yes, you can verify to the judge
that evidently, he made a mistake and there are always remedies until you get
to the amparo and the amparo already there, and what is determined with a
judge. That' s where he stays. How do you handle licensed frustration,
how do you deal with this issue of frustration? What you talk to
customers, because one thing is that your frustration as a jurist, but another
is the frustration of the client. If you hear, how we lost,
no, if I already paid you so much and apparently, you think that
when one pays the lawyer, then it' s for him to win,
not how you handle this thing. Yeah, look right now. First,
first of all, there' s nothing at a very clear point. We,
as lawyers, must be very precise at the time of telling the client
that trials are won and lost, even when you have the ninety- nine
percent certainty that that judgment will be won you don' t have to manifest
it and so it has to be established in the service provision contract. It
is not assured or a result, because you are always above precisely this,
to the this decision of a third that in this case can be a judge,
a collegial court through ministers or magistrates in the colleges ministers to the Court.
I say all that, because it' s going to impact the outcome
of the trial. Uh- huh. Now, if I say to you
that in the same ones, notice what I say to you among the same
ministers of the Court, there is a contradiction of criteria, that is,
imagine yourself being a mere mortal. Yeah, yeah, that' s how
we' re not gonna disagree on a lot of things. No. At
last and working are the judgments and handling of frustration. Well, yes,
you have to talk to your client and tell them the possibilities and they really
know that a trial, because it takes many stages and all stages have to
be watered down. It' s a matter of you having to do well
as a lawyer, but not guarantee a result. Evidently, you also face
not only a situation I imagine that you have already passed with all the trials
you have in your firm, because obviously you lead the efforts both in the
commercial area and in the family area as well as in the fiscal area.
Then you as the head of your buffet, you are aware and you must
have this part of knowledge. But there are times when you say hijole I
am facing such a lawyer that she is a beast who is not only prepared,
but is also very skilled, but also has a very good relationship with
the judge. And then you know that you' re facing not suddenly one
that you say child this one I probably don' t have that easy.
How do you pass it on to the client, how do you tell the
client? Listen to this first thing, you broadcast it or you don'
t broadcast it. You keep it to yourself, or if you suddenly say
" son," I see it, that is, if we have reason
to fight, but it' s better to come to an agreement. They
also use that term they say. A good deal is better out there than
a bad lawsuit. Yeah, it' s a bad arrangement that a good
lawsuit at maximum will read it full. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people
that, that' s very this. The truth of things is that you
are in a proper judgment. There are procedures. You know more or less
what elements you can get. The idea that what elements can harm you.
You can preview what the outcome of that trial is going to be. It
' s clear without being 100 percent. But yes, yes, yes,
you can see it not through the tests that came out of the confunctional test
was well the testimonial test. All the evidence makes an important number to know
where the trial is going. And yes and always important number one. Don
' t fight the lawyer Look. I' ve had opposing players I fight
with, so he' s made me. I remember the license a lot.
Well, I' m not gonna say his name, but he told
me in an audience that I was a right- winger. No, I
mean, she was a very explosive woman. The truth is that, finishing
this one from the audience, we greeted each other and everything, but in
the audience we were thrown very hard and good friend, I tell you,
but find out well, we didn' t forgive each other anything. And
in that sense, I think it' s the father in fact, but
you do have to tell the next one. Hey, you know what a
time to negotiate is. Forget about the rest, let' s negotiate.
You can rescue this and this because they' re going to give us.
Yeah, it' s important to say. See how right now, I
think about it. I think I' d be a good lawyer because I
love this one of fundamental and of and looking for reason and finding those nooks
and also being there in oral trials. I' d be fixed as wonderful.
I need to study law, but out there until I see no more.
I' m starting to make a suit that' s not as expensive
as yours, but I think I' d pretty much give the cat.
Hey, I' m gonna invite you to have it personal, to a
hearing. I' m saying whether it' s like an audience or a
client, and if you allow it to see the audience develop so you can
see a bigger picture, it' s going to be pretty lame, and
one of those is going to get me into law school. Hey, let
me also ask you something that is important and interesting to me when you have
the chance to talk to the client and to tell him, because we'
re not just going to win the trial. There are times when customers feel
so offended, we take it so to heart. Obviously, it is not
the same a commercial trial as a family trial, as a trial of character
with a tax- type sat in family members. I think I do,
and here' s the question I want to ask you. Where do you
see more drama? Where else do you see so you say hijole. This
looks like a TV show. In the family, in the commercial, in
the fiscal, in the three, in none or in all. No yes,
definitely in the family, that is, in matter or in matter of
feeling, you have a contract. Ah well, we leave it to ourselves.
It' s a document. I don' t even have to submit
any more evidence. With that documentary we leave you recognize your signature. Yeah,
yeah, with my signature. If you owe him or the trial'
s over. There is no more paying ordinary interest in his oratory case of
percusus. But in family matters. In family matters, it is the duty
of judges not only to look at objective questions, but also at a certain
subjectivity. What does the wife say? What does the husband say? Until
that time or ex- husbands and have already divorced. And it is the
integrity of minors that is most valued in family matters. The integrity of minors
is called the best interests of the minor ok ok. Then in the attention
the guard and guard, and this is quite clear that the parents should be
taken away that the guard keeps it I win and not her. No.
No. The fourth custody is a right of minors, and in view of
this right, it will be determined who the idone father is to care for
minors. There is no more, and then there is police evidence, in
psychology, well, in primordial evidence, at work, that is, different
conversations with minors and they are already ar, etcetera. But in family matters
where these types of situations are most visible, because many feelings are involved.
No, he' s pale. It' s valid, they' re
not chis. The determinations have to be objective, but the parts are also
heard. I' m going to notice in this comment that I' m
going to make to you because they say that to a priest, a lawyer
and now a logo market, you have to always tell them the truth.
Not to see where you stand and where to leave. It' s happened
to you that at some trial, all of a sudden the counterpart pulls out
something else and you see your client telling me to see. You didn'
t tell me this. And if so, and that the client turns to
see with just ay I forgot. You know if it' s happened to
you about being totally clear sometimes horrible. That' s fine, Father You
say so, and we wish clients out of my soul with the truth,
because when the truth I can defend you. If you don' t talk
about it with the truth at some point, they get a document out,
they pull some stuff out of a supervenient test where if you had knowledge of
certain foods and you didn' t tell me or you hid it from me,
then there we' re going to have problems. No yes, he
always talks about the truth for what has happened to us, if it has
happened to us many times and you fight with the client you scold him,
they jane his ears or you tell him, for the truth is that I
say, because nothing else you have done to yourself as I told you in
the beginning. No. No, it doesn' t make sense either when
you' re gonna tell us things. Yeah, I know fools who do.
We' re not in that style. Yeah, yeah, it'
s not to be heard. How you separate yourself from the client, because
I imagine he' ll suddenly come. It' s not the same thing
to defend a person your life has seen more than that day, who knocked
on the door of your office, to defend a friend, to defend a
great friend. How you stop after the trial or after a hearing. How
you mark a good one. This brawl isn' t mine, this broque
is already the question is focused on how you get home, put your wife
with your daughter, how you get there after you bring a trial here,
how I solve it, how I get it out and chin this is my
brother brother brother, and he' s in a bronchotota. How you do
him to divide. Yeah, no. The truth is that I tell you
in the decalogue of the lawyer they mark you and that for all the lawyers
who start, so check it out. The truth is, you have to
divide the matter of matters into your personal life. If you didn' t
do it like that, your life would be sustainable. Okay. I really
have to do all I have to do here at my job, in the
office, is do the right thing about the processes we' re going through.
Uh- huh And that' s where all the stuff stays here.
Even if I take you to business because my friends who did take you to
several I get you all believe me here are your business. I threw it
out, I see it. He took the letter. We don' t
touch issues. We' re not going to talk about issues. You want
to talk about something. We' ll see you here in the office.
We split that part a lot and that' s better, better for everyone.
Hey, teach. It' s exciting to teach. It motivates you
to learn more it compels you and I shore you? Learning more not only
motivates you, but it also forces you, because everything is changing. I
don' t want to talk to you about the students. All of a
sudden you see certain students you say blessed be the lord if you are going
to be a lawyer, German son, better be a fireman not, or,
on the other hand, you say no manches this does have this one,
yes it has this not wood and this one is going to become a
very good judge, to be a very good one if that happens to you
with the students or do not notice that it does happen or it is you
know who has a lot of wood as it is said, but the truth
is that to me, in practice it has happened that students that I said
it is no longer the Walloon or it is right now, the two positions
are high no, but the truth of the things that those who have wood
will always have it then nothing else give it there in certain types to all,
there is not that I try not to discriminate to anyone. I talk
to everyone the same, though I don' t know that I had a
lot of bad news and so on. Well, try to do this and
I give you whatever advice you can and also from many students you learn.
I have been touched by BOFO students, three students who have taught me many
things and not a teacher. I don' t think so. I think
it could be on this side. Hey, you, you can show up
and say. Hey, you' re right. No surprise, surprise,
it gives you life. Hey, tell us. Now on the subject of
digital. Let' s talk about the digital issue. I want to remind
all the people I' m talking to lawyer Renato Garcia is appearing on screen
his Whatsapp so that you can get closer if you have any family, business,
tax issues, which other branch of rights in which the perpentil is litigating.
We' re taking a lot of the merchandising issue. That' s
where he' s showing up. It' s the four, four,
two seven, seventy- six, thirteen zero, zero, four four,
two, seven, six, three, zero, yeah. We' re
fine with whatsapp, yeah, exac all four, four, two seven,
six, one thousand three years. It' s really good there. So
for you, then, to move in contact with the lawyer and believe me
that always having a lawyer is a guarantee that, at least we will have
someone who can reach out to us when we need to talk about the digital
issue. There' s a lot to talk about on the digital issue.
What Happens When I grab a Coca Quela logo and it makes it easy for
me to make a meme or upload it and use it on my social networks,
they can sue me, they can' t sue me what happens.
I' m going to ask you a lot of questions in this regard.
If I take the picture of someone on the street and upload it to my
social networks, not or if I record a video in a restaurant and a
person comes out, they can sue me, no, they can sue me
what happens With that gobado, yes, of course, but first of all
there is nothing to see the issue of brands. No, I mean,
everyone registers their mark, because they have to do so so so that they
have rights obligations derived from that kill. That' s not why it'
s coca cola and I think each of us also has a street that personal
brand, as a natural person or brand through a moral person. I don
' t think there' s the size of the exterior tions. See and
do a search to see if they have that free mark, that common name,
that you do, too, that' s your office, it'
s also clear. Of course, we support each other in that sense and
then we register you as ok, you already have your mark. Now you
do, already, you own everything you do inside that brand, because if
anyone wants to take advantage of those situations of your brand like right now,
you' re giving the case of coca cola. Or the truth is that
coca cola, because it will not send you unless you have impacted on that,
not that you would have to make a mosaic to impact on coca cola.
If you are a person of commercial creation and you are not harming it,
I say to the contrary it goes to that nothingness or But in that
sense, what there is much to see in these issues, especially in civil
matters, the mercantile is the issue of whether you cause harm or harm without
any violent of the objective rights of others. If you don' t do
it in the spirit of violence, it' s hardly going to have a
place in a lawsuit. If you do it with the subject so it can
reprecision a difficult question and I' m going to ask you to talk to
us a little louder, because the audio is coming down like a question that
many people say yes, others say no. How is the question going to
record a person with my cell phone? Is it permitted by law or not?
It' s allowed by law to a person I mean that you and
I are in the parking lot. You start me, you don' t
let me in, I pull out my cell phone and I start recording you.
I can do that among private people, but beyond that, what about
the cops? I stop a cop, whether he' s in transit or
not, being in transit, what happens to an authority. I' m
talking about the cop figure, but I' m talking about an authority figure
now as well. I' m going to do a procedure and Miss Grosera
won' t answer me and I' m taking out my phone and I
' m starting to record if it can be done, it can' t
be done. It' s against the law. What can happen to me
or what happens in those cases. OK, good first hand. That'
s why I mentioned it in this sense. All that is not expressly prohibited
by law. It is expressly allowed to OK. Now it' s important
that I tell you if we all have rights, there are certain types of
rights, fundamental rights, and let' s say secondary rights. Aha yes,
fundamental rights are above secondary rights ok which I' m talking about,
I say it' s a little technical. We have the guarantee of freedom,
equality and legal certainty. That' s the big rights. Yeah,
well, we have other secondary rights that are huge and you can' t
announce it. Right now. Even there are laws in different states that these
laws go against these big rights and then that same legislation is unconstitutional, because
it is against these rights, so there are many laws. If I open
one of my codes or one of them right now, I can discover at
least five ten laws that are unconstitutional in each of the OK codes. Then
the guarantee of freedom to film is allowed. What is not allowed is,
as I said, causing harm to a third party. With that statement,
okay. Then you have to be very precise about this, because it is
not forbidden to record. But it is forbidden or if light has repercussions,
and it is the use of that if you misuse me, there it can
generate. Now let' s talk a little bit about whatsapp' s conversations
or record the calls you talk to me on the phone and we' re
talking about any topic and I' m recording you without your consent. I
can do it. Me. I' m putting myself at risk in the
sense that if you find out about me, you can sue me. There
' s a risk beyond and and to know if that conversation or those messages
from Whatsapp I can show them in a trial as evidence that you promised me
or told me you worked to n so, of course, yes, first
hand, notice it if I record you, we repeat it. If I
' m not looking for harm to that person I' m recording, that
' s not what' s going to be punished here in matters, in
other matters. It' s the theme of the Dada hears and I'
m using it as a means of testing. Yeah, yeah, you can
use it as a mean. You can use a test medium, but I
' m telling you it' s not reliable evidence and a test that'
s already growing no more, but I recorded it I don' t have
it recorded anymore. That' s what we need to understand, and this
comes from the United States. It must be understood that in the United States
it has another legislative issue, another judicial issue, which is not the same,
that we are not doing the same scheme. The US scheme is different.
And in the United States it may be a whatsapp or a recording sufficiently
usable for a hard test. But here in Mexico, there is another process.
Then it' s worth it not to get confused. And neither is
it because many believe that you can. Yes, you can, I mean,
no, because everyone creates a lie, because everyone believes it and applies
it becomes true. Then you have to be very careful. Nati' s
on me. Let' s go there to be precise. In other words,
you can use a recording of Whatsapp or Whatsapp screens. Yes, but
you have to articulate the test well so bad, that is, you have
to call an expert test to determine if that recording or its alterations and so
on. And it' s like supporting that test administered by other means of
conviction. Aha or that, but yes by itself. And if you don
' t know him, well, that' s another topic. Yeah,
' cause besides imagine I' m texting you, saying that' s my
handwriting, not in Whatsapp, so what if it' s a handwriting.
This one, I love you. I believe that there are many issues that
need to be addressed in legal matters. The microphones are open for a second
third fifth interview. There' s a lot to talk about, but I
' d really like to know you a little bit more remember that there are
no good answers or bad ones. So let' s ask questions of all
kinds to get to know better. It seems to you, and here it
is that I am already afraid to ask lawyers not about what happens in the
interview, what happens after the interview. If you see that I do not
appear in thirty days, there you go for me is true. That'
s not true. Counselor, listen to us talk. Please tell us we
' re going to play a little bit with the theme of imagination. It
seems to you and it turns out that you won a prize notice Czech,
the prize Go a month to the Moon on these rockets now space ex of
the new ones Eon Musk has and you go a month to the moon,
but you can only take three things? You can' t take people,
you can' t take pets. You can only take three things. That
you' re taking a trip to the moon for a month or so,
but they' re not subsistence what you want now. Yeah, you can
take water, food, or a cell phone. I don' t know,
yeah, no, no, well, first- rate, yeah,
food water, no, ok go food, obviously oxygen. Days two,
how to breathe aha ok interest, because this is something to entertain. No.
I don' t know if I could play this game or some ball.
I don' t know if it' s the same boat, but
maybe remember there' s not much gravity. So the ball, like it
' s gonna be really hard, but good. Hey, tell us about
it Let' s play with the imaginary. Turns out in these elections we
' re going to go to Mexico. Turns out that Renato Garcia was elected
President of Mexico and you' re getting your presidential band. Ok and with
the investiture of being President of Mexico, he has the power to issue three
decrees, your first three decrees for all Mexicans. What they would be and
why. OK first hand would not be a matter of values, obviously to
instil them to minors. I think that would be paramount, because if we
have certain values, from small to large, we' re not going to
be like being. The next decree would be to eradicate poverty or help as
much as possible, from poverty OK and the third would therefore be a topic
of mutual help for each and every one through certain workshops or alignments. OK,
very good, very good now, tell us, please? What ability
do you think everyone should have the ability to argue, to express ourselves in
a harsh way, because I tell you, we often try to say something
we don' t say. OK, great, tell me something you'
d rather win the lottery or live twice as long as you have to live,
not live twice as long, live twice as long as Horale. Very
nice and tell us, please. For those people who don' t know
you and for those who know you, what is junk food or junk food
that you can' t avoid and say hijole. No, for me this
is what I can forgive you all. But what' s that junk food
you can' t, you can' t say no. Son of me,
I think this is the popes I' ve always been a good role.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that' s you with dads, you
' re more than done, all the dads to watch games have to see
dads to watch movies, daddies or popcorn. There' s some special dish
you' d say, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Not like that,
give him lucy, because he just asked for the Renato degree, he just
asked the four cheeses for the tusili. I mean, there' s some
dish you say if you ask for this and graduates because they' re really
hooked and we' re gonna win the trial if there' s something like
that or not. Yeah, well, that' s a lot of things,
no, but I think that of the favorite ones, it makes her
start green with nopals. That' s what you got there. All right,
we' re going straight out and make ourselves that kind of food.
You know, gentlemen, then this one if you want no more concentration.
You' ve even wanted it. You' re cheering up. You don
' t know what we' re talking about Please tell us. What was
the last purchase you made and that you regret this having bought it. We
all suddenly make purchases that you say" son" to him. Why did
I buy this thing didn' t happen to you or not, yes,
yes, yes, of course. What was the last thing I ever bought
that I regretted buying? I think right now they were some football tacos to
a football tacos or you say my Mercedes, because now I bring a ferrari
that' s what this lawyer hears, please tell us, in this case.
What was the last thing you looked up on the Internet? Do you
remember the last thing you searched on the Internet? What was it? Yeah,
yeah, the last thing I looked up on the Internet was an address
ok what we' re going to try that had very valid. You'
ve ever had some admiration for someone. Long live cultural historical dead. What
do I know that you truly admire not many. So much or so that
said that one of them comes up smells atina. Ok ok ok what would
you prefer? What would you prefer? Don' t be afraid to ever
wait in a row, not either from the bank, from the supermarket,
etcetera. Never wait in a line, in a queue or always find a
place to park myself child, I think find instead of reasons Yes, yes,
ok Now tell me something you' d prefer fame without money or money
without fame. I' d prefer money without fame, money without fame?
You would prefer to stop climate change or achieve world peace. World peace.
They say that in order to have peace, we must prepare for war.
I don' t agree with that, but it' s also okay Ok
very good to see a question that needs to be asked by a lawyer.
But he' s a lawyer what that is. I accept without granting,
without knowing what this is like. If so, I do not accept without
granting. Not such a thing from these terms that you guys get out that
you say I mean, you did accept, but you don' t grant?
I mean, I mean, he agreed, he didn' t accept,
did he? Yeah? Of course, we suppose without granting to?
Yes, yes, yes, the assumption of granting, i e, suppose
there is what is going to happen, but no, I don' t
think it' s already happened. I' m not confessing. Let'
s say one way or the other. It is in the situation, because
many times you say no, as this situation does not and is already taken
as a confession. So that' s why the sides assume without granting,
because we put ourselves on, but it' s not happening. It'
s not clear. That tor you got up today morning. You saw yourself
in the mirror. What' s the story you tell yourself, what a
story you tell yourself. We all tell each other a story. Some of
us make them like your server' s case in front of a mirror.
I' m one of those who see me in the mirror I see myself
and I say there' s this cheeky pelon, don' t want it.
We have to lose weight. This is gonna be a good day.
We' re going to put the attitude in, no, and at the
end of the way, I' m going to tell you my story,
for example, in the media, my marketing story. It was a complex,
difficult, long, heavy story, but at the end of the road
it was not achieved. What' s your case? Yeah, well,
it' s true that whenever you look in the mirror, you ask a
lot of questions, not and there. But I think I always see myself
as an ordinary person and I always want to get better. I know I
can improve a lot of things, but I do need to, I need
to, and I know I' m going to continue to fail a lot,
but I' m trying to look for that really good average ok.
I want to ask you three final questions before we get to the straight and
say goodbye to the straight end. You can comment please, according to your
worldview, the human being came to this planet earth to be happy. Yeah,
right, okay, and how you conceive this part of getting happiness.
How happiness is achieved. Counselor, I think happiness is not expecting much from
others. Okay, and another one. One of the important parts is that
you must like it that it' s fun for you. Happiness is not
a topic of it can be recent, but it is moments without trying to
make that moment as great as possible as you fight and what you divide those
people who seek litigation of everything. There are people of everything, no,
there are people who never fight anything, and there are people who fight for
everything and who want to sue everyone, not ah yes. It' s
me talking to a person, a couple you see as a narcissist, a
pathological narcissist, he' s a dangerous person. He is a dangerous person
in many ways and one does not understand that he is dangerous too, as
he can commit. They are of the persons who can commit up to a
crime, a serious crime. Enton I know you have a lot of fart
for those kinds of people, but I remember when this relationship ended I talked
to a great lawyer and said hey we' re going to fight. But
think about this, what it' s going to lead us to, that
is, win or lose in either of the two gentlemen, what it'
s going to lead you to. I want to ask you this is better,
all of a sudden, not having to fight or what do you think
of those people who are suing everyone look at you. I will say what
is in the experience and what we are implementing here in the office are called
more or more alternative means of dispute resolution. We don' t believe in
trials. I say there are issues of trials that are inevitable and have to
be taken away, but as far as possible, we believe in the issue
of conciliation, of mediation. The best solution, as you say in most
matters, in ninety percent of matters, is to talk, talk, and
that' s going to bring a time to boil that all to you That
' s what this lawyer said to me. If we do, we'
re gonna do it and we' re gonna hit him and if he goes,
we' re gonna hit him. Very hard. Don' t also
think about that that it' s a family and that it has children and
that, that is, you' re also transgressing to another where we'
re going to have what case it has, that is, there' s
no one, and then this alternative means is important. I want to first,
because we' re getting to the final straight and before I say goodbye
there' s a lot to talk about. I' d love you to
tell us, please, last message, a message you' d give to
the whole planet. Earth will be translated into all languages, languages and dialects,
in all parents, broadcast on the Internet, on radio, on television,
etcetera. What final message you would give to the whole planet from where
you are, ok me, I would always tell them in values, in
minors, to respect minors, protect their rights as if it were the only
thing you have to do in life. I think that would change the social
issue without much more. Worry about the minors. That would be, I
think, and let me tell you, it' s not onion. I
really appreciate your friendship, but it' s not an onion, because I
wouldn' t have to say it, too. But of many messages that
I have heard ending in these conversations, none had told me this and I
think I agree with you 100% in the sense that if we take care
of our children, if we take care of our children, this world would
be different. This world would be totally different. And I think you just
hit a nail that many people have thrown darts, to be happy, to
fight for dreams. Yeah, yeah, that' s fine, but today
I think this dart hit the center 100 out of 100, because I think
it would, the world would be different. Thank you very much, Counselor,
Thank you very much, chas smith, cut hug. Thanks to each
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What a good question until soon, bye