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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
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in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on

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the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Let
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Now I need all the figures I
can get. Hello. This is

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Nick Pope and you're listening to the
Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest

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paranormal network. And this is Paranormal
Dimensions with David Young. Look, the

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two of you are beginning a strange
journey, a journey that no earth people

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have ever undertaken before. Now,
whether you consider me a devil or a

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Saine, it's unimportant. What is
important is that you're here on this spaceship.

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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm David Young and my instruments

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already, I've got two fine guests
today for this particular show. This particular

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show is called Dimensional Travelers, and
my guests of Phil Graham and Dave Hunt.

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They are ex members of a band
called Cosmosis, and they've had some

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very unusual experiences which they will be
telling us about. And you'll find they

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have a wonderful outlook all life.
So I take great pleasure and welcome me

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Dave Hung and Phil Graham to the
show. Hello Dave and hello Pheel.

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Welcome to the show. All right, are you right all you? Dave?

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Thanks for having me. It's absolutely
great to have you both on.

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As I think I was just saying
this off here, we should have done

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this a couple of months ago,
but things that will quite work out.

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But now great to have you both
on. And I'm people listening to this

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show. Now you're going to hear
some amazing stories. I've spoken to Dave

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at length quite a few times a
few times now, and he's got some

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amazing stories to tell. Now,
Dave, you're actually in a band called

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Cosmosis. I know you do a
lot of solo stuff. Now a lot

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of what happened to you was actually
when you were in the band, is

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that right? Well, to be
fair, like, um, my experience

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is really a lifelong if you like, the band was a act of the

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experiences, you know. But as
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the experience has been happening to me
all my life. I had a sort

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of trigger experience about twenty just over
twenty years ago, and that's when it

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sort of became conscious for me of
what was actually going on. Before that,

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I just thought that I didn't really
know, to be fair, at

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the time, I didn't have any
concept for it. So I just knew

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that there was strange stuff going on, and obviously beings in my bedroom and

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all that kind of stuff. You
know, I didn't know there was no

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context. And then I don't know
if you want me to get into it

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now, but yeah, sure,
I mean we could just sound out to

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feel as well. I mean,
feel, where do you coming to this

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story as well? Are you actually
connected with though as far as this goes,

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Yeah, that's a good question.
I guess. You know, you

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have lifelong experiences and you don't really
know what's going on to build on what

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Day was saying. And then I
met Dave maybe early two thousands, and

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i'd obviously met him when he was
sort of well on his his sort of

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journey, and they've helped helped me
come to terms with the things that I

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was experiencing. So yeah, no, it was just I couldn't imagine doing

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that on my own, you know, like trying to piece it together and

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try and figure out, you know, it must have been a very daunting

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experience. So I guess I come
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with Perhaps we'll get to that.
Perhaps we can build the story from Day's

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perspective and then get to where you
entered the story. Phil was probably the

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best work technically, this isn't there. Yeah, let's do it. It's

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also I mentioned that Phil was also
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well, So yes, I actually
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Sorry, my apologies. Phil.
That's right. There are some YouTube

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videos of us all playing some of
the original songs, oren't they feel like?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah you And
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photo of the other day, Dave, Tony Betty remember Tony, Yes,

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yeah from the from the open Mic
notes. What a legend that guy was.

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Absolutely yeah, if I so,
if I yeah, I'll explain to

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you if you like, I think
it's true for a lot of experiences that

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they have like a a trigger experience, if you like, yeah, where

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like before that it was kind of
like semi conscious, you knew something was

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going on, and then after that
it kind of conceptualizes into the fact that

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this is a contact experience that you're
having with and I don't even want to

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I don't want to say aliens.
I don't want to say just with these

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other people, yes, because I
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you before, you you don't really
know what it is, do you know?

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I know you don't sort of label
aliens straight away? No, And

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I've never claimed to um like I
know what they have said to me and

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stuff, and I know, like
personally I swing sometimes on like how I

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feel about it, but I've never
claimed to like that I absolutely believe what

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it is they've said to me or
you know. One of the things I

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really kind of wanted to talk about
the day was this idea of kind of

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identity politics, if you like.
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that at the moment. A lot
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they're struggling with their own identity because
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that is to do with like obviously
people asking like why me, you know,

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why is this happening to me?
And if you're only semi conscious of

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what's going on, then of course
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of people that are having more sort
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about themselves, which you know,
can drive you around the bend, to

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be fair if you careful. Yeah, So I know my trigger experience was

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about twenty one years ago because I
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time I was boxing and the night
before i'd cracked a rib. I didn't

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know at the time, but I
basically i'd cracked a rib. So I'd

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gone to the hospital the next day
because I just I couldn't I know how

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painful days. Yeah, you know, it's as bad as a break,

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you know. Like, So anyway, I'm going to Bambary Hospital and I'm

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with my wife and my daughter,
who was at the time about three months

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old, and we're coming back through
a small village called Ano. And so

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what happened was I was sitting in
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and my wife was driving, and
she called my attention to the fact that

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there was a silver disk hovering in
the sky above the car. Now,

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I was sitting in the back of
the car, so I had to lean

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right through the seats, but it
was it was just just above the car,

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and we were on a long straight
road that goes through the village and

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it was basically just above us and
ahead of us. We drove. We

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carried on drive in. She was
panicked. I was a bit panicked as

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well, but like but in a
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of sense of excitement and an entry, and then it just seemed to blink

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out of existence. It wasn't there
anymore. And we carried on drive in

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and there wasn't until we got back
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lost about forty minutes of time and
like so, and this is when things

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started to go strange. So I
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I had this weird sense in my
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as we were concerned, when we
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above the car. It blinked out
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I started to have a memory in
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my wife didn't have. Now it
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the experience that I remembered in my
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She was stood next to me in
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in her baby seat in from the
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But they were both like like you
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It was strange thing to see opposite
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but they looked better than us,
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They just had better skin. And
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classically handsome. And one of them
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beautiful. And they were talking to
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like absolutely just talking out their mouths
and I was hearing them, and I

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didn't have anything to say myself.
I was just kind of stood there,

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just listening to what they were saying. And that was the memory that I

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had in my head. And it
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was saying, that didn't happen.
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the UFO. But I knew we'd
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had a memory of what had happened
in the in the lost time. I

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kept dreaming about it. It kept
playing over and over in my head,

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and basically I just from then and
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my journey if you like us going, Oh, I'm in experience, so

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this is happening to me, and
there's a reason why it's happening to me,

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and they'd explain to me during that
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And yeah, I don't know if
you want me to get into that,

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Yeah, sure, yeah, please
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I say, you've you've spoken to
me about this before, and I think

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it's actually quite critical that you do
told the full story. Really Okay,

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Yeah, so for first I want
to say that like you know, not

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claiming, but like I just said
before, like you know, just because

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they said this, I'm not I'm
twenty years later, I can't say,

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hand on my heart, oh I
believe this is true about me whenever,

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or I'm somehow better than other people, or just like I understand that.

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Yeah, it's not that at all. I mean, you've never really seek

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tried to seek fame from all this
anyway, You've actually been the reverse.

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You tried to stay away from it. Or yeah, yeah, I wanted

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to stay authentic to my own experiences
and like I didn't want to sort of

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like I don't know and not that
I blame people for trying to make a

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living out there anything burgess, but
that wasn't what it was about for me.

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It just seemed more personal, you
know, it was it was it

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was just my life basically. Um. So, the guy in them,

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there was three people stood there and
the guy in the middle, he was

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telling me basically that I was part
of a program and that he was me.

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Right, So he told me that
he was me and that we have

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an overlap of egos and that the
only reason for me being here was for

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him to operate in and out of
this reality. And I had no I

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no concept of what that meant at
the time. It was just sort of

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like it made it didn't make any
sense. It was it was completely alien

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what he was saying to me.
I was just like, well, I'm

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I'm Dave. You know what I
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know what you and I don't really
know what you mean. But I wasn't

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saying that at the time, to
be fair, I was just there kind

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of dumbfounded, just absorbing the information
that you were saying. Um. But

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he was saying, yeah, basically
that I would feel him and that there

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would be more contacts and also he
said that there were other people that I

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was involved with in my life and
that I would be involved with, and

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that basically part of the program was
to help people wake up and like realize

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their part in the program and all
this kind of stuff crazy. Absolutely,

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at the time I say I was, I was out of the army,

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I was boxing, I was fairly
physical guy. I was not long haired

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hippie or anything like that. And
I became one that was strange a lot

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of people to think about the army, you end up like that, yes,

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right, yeah, you know.
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Like in the months that followed,
I literally must have read nearly four hundred

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books on the subject, and I
like, you know, it's like you

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read one book, you think,
oh, I think I might have a

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handle, and what's going on here? You read one hundred books, do

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you think, Oh, no,
actually, I haven't got a clue what's

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going on here? I just went
down that rabbit hole. I knew my

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wife she'd seen a couple of UFOs
with me, because it kept happening in

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the months afterwards. But it's weird. It's like it wasn't affecting her,

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but it was affecting me, you
know, and I was dreaming about them.

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I was thinking about them twenty four
to seven. I kept experiencing the

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feeling of this guy, and it's
I can't it's hard to describe. Like

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so I'd get a sense of presence, but it would be inside of me.

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It wouldn't be like someone behind me. It would be like someone inside

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my head. And then I would
feel like an elevated sense of consciousness and

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awareness. And it was like it
wasn't like I'd left the cockpit. It

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was just like someone was coming in, sitting next to me in the cockpit,

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and they were looking at people and
telling me information about them. And

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sometimes and I'd find myself talking and
it wasn't me. I couldn't really remember

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what I'd said. It was like
I was talking, but they were using

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me as a mouthpiece. It's funny
enough, And this is kind of like

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later on, that's where Phil comes
in, because I definitely had that experience

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with Phil. So when I met
Phil, I basically there was times when

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I was just streaming them to him. They were wanting to talk to him

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or convey a message to him,
and I was basically just out of the

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way. Just there letting them talk
to him through me and obviously and then

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eventually a facilitated contact with Phil as
well to push him on. Obviously they

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for some reason they want him on
his own journey as well, So yeah,

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I could pass it over to Phil
to be fair from there, Well,

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the good thing is this is what
kind of what authenticated, see the

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fact that you can back each other
up with these stories, you know.

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Yeah, and then to be fair
like Phil's not like I say, there

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was a number of people involved,
and Phil wasn't the only one either,

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So there was there was a time
period where it was having contact with these

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guys, but with a number of
people that I knew, and Phil knows

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that as well. We weren't the
only ones. It was. It was

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interesting, Yeah, yeah, wasn't
it. Yeah? Absolutely, I can

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bass everything you just said. I
can just relate to through all the different

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stages of your journey, you know, all the different feelings and stuff.

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Yeah, and Dave absolutely helped facilitate
an experience for myself sometimes sort of late

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summer two thousand and twelve, And
yeah, it was just a tremendous experience

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going from not knowing that these things
exist to in a moment, there's absolutely

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no denying it. And that was
a really great experience. I mean it

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was terrifying, but not for like
the reasons that people might think, you

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know, it was terrifying because us
as a people had had even missed this

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or it's been somewhat covered up,
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I wasn't scared by the presence of
the sort of the people in the experiences

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that I had, um, not
at all. And yeah, the fear

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field really comes more about having to
live here, doesn't it. I mean,

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that's the thing it's about. It's
about it's about having you know,

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I'll say there was I believe there
was a part of us, all of

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us involved in that that we're happy
to accept the reality of these other guys.

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It was a real privilege, But
it was more about the fact that

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it was there, then having to
wake up the next day and walk around

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in the world and know that you
were It's like you knew that you were

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going to be ostracized by by society, you know what I mean, because

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people. I mean, I think
obviously there are a lot of people that

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are having this experience, and that's
why we're talking here today. Hopefully,

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and there's people listening that are going
through this and can just know that they're

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not on their own, you know
what I mean. Everyone's contact has a

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slightly different flavor. I think that's
on purpose, But ultimately there are similarities

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because there's an objectivity to what's going
on, So there are going to be

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similarities to what happened to other people. And like I said, and I

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watched how hard it was for everybody, and it wasn't to say it wasn't

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the actual contacts that were hard.
It was it was it was the living

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afterwards. It was hard, and
how to integrate that into a healthy way

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of existing. Here, there's a
part of you that's you see these guys

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they have they definitely come across as
having a higher state of consciousness. In

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the presence of something like that is
so exhilarating, But afterwards there's like it

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can be depressing, and that there
can there can be it can be quite

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depressing to sort of like then go
back to like interacting with people that are

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like feel like they're just asleep to
you. It's hard, you know,

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obviously you don't want to judge people
and stuff. You can't judge people on

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what they haven't been through or I
don't know, but it is hard.

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It is hard, and you start
to feel alienated yourself, you know,

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And I can understand why it is
that, like the contacts happen and then

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there's large gaps where they don't happen, and it is to do with your

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own well being, I think,
to be honest with you, Yeah,

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definitely, yeah, yeah, and
I think that, you know, I

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was one of the things I was
shocked at is how many people in close

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proximity there were to each other who
having these experiences, like you know,

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it seemed like we all gravitated to
a town and yeah, like all met

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each other. There seemed to be
music involved, and I think that's quite

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regular as well, isn't it.
The creativity is involved with with with this

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kind of state of being? Absolutely? Yeah. Did did Dave tell you

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that last time I spoke to him? So I hadn't seen a UFO for

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quite a long time. And then
when I did the podcast with Dave the

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other month, I walked outside,
it looked upstairs and sorry, looked up

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into the sky and there was a
light sitting over the house. I remember

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you saying, yeah, yeah,
and it's just and I sort of looked

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up and I had an immediate connection
and I thought as them And as soon

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as I did that, it flashed
three times and shot and then it turned

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out. So the next day I
told my daughter about it, said,

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oh, I just did a podcast
last night, you know, I tell

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her about it. She went,
no, no, no, no,

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she she was with her cousin that's
just down the road. She said,

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we saw that. She said,
we saw it. That just so happened

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that my daughter saw it as well. So just you know, these are

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the sort of things that just kind
of twist your melon if you like.

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Yeah, but I must point out
this was another show that I do.

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I can't mention on this show because
there's a little bit of bad blood between

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the networks. But so okay,
so we want to talk about that.

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But so, yeah, but it
was a fascinating show, I must admit.

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But unforese you've ever spoken to Phil
really and because we had a long

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conversation when I think Phil felt he
couldn't come forward at the moment at that

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time, do you remember when?
But yeah, I think you feel better

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about things now, feel was that
correct? Yeah? No, just just

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had some things to take care of
um before I could sort of start talking

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about it, so um. But
yeah, I think it can be very

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difficult kind of to speak sometimes.
I fully understand that. Yeah, I've

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definitely struggled with that in the past, like you know, where, like

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I said, when I was doing
when these guys were doing things like talking

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through me to people and stuff,
it'd be fine. I've been a complete

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fluid state of consciousness, you know
what I mean, it would it would

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just I wouldn't even know what I've
been saying for the last hour. But

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then you go into a normal situation
where you're not involved in the program with

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people, and I couldn't even utter
the words out of my mouth about what

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happens. I just couldn't say it
because because I'm not insane, and I

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know how insane it it sounds,
you know. And I'd literally have people

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asking me, oh, you know, have you ever seen a UFA or

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anything, And I'd be like,
oh, no, no, because I

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don't know, because it just wanted
to deny, you know, I just

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wanted to that kind of worms.
Yeah, there's definitely a part of you

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that's like, right, I must
be mad. And then you know,

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when when you don't get that validation
from the world that you are mad,

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then it becomes quite difficult to process, you know. What happened? Definitely,

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yeah, nice, definitely as it's
been a struggle, like you know,

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say, with this identity thing,
because it's not the only time and

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that that happened. If you don't
mind, Dave, I'll tell you another

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story, please do. Now.
Phil wasn't there, but he'll remember it

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happening, and I'm glad in a
way that he's here because it's such a

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you know, it's difficult to again, it's it's one of those things difficult

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to set aloud with a straight face. But it happened. So I was

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with m guy called Ricky and we
had full free d contact, if you

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know, for one of a better
word in my front room, and I

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remember a small amount of it,
but that Ricky was actually kept awake for

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the whole thing, where I was
actually put to sleep by them. Now

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I'll explain, to cut a long
story short, what happened. They walked

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into the front room and me and
Ricky were both meditating. We had two

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sofas and they were like in an
L shape, and he was sitting on

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one cross legged. And I was
on the other cross legged, and we

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would meditate. Now they obviously that
we came out of it, saw them

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one when it sat next to Ricky
on the sofa. Another guy came and

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knelt down in front of me on
the sofa I was sitting on, and

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there was another guy who was directing
it, or who stood up in between

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the sofas. Now that the guy
that was stood up who was directing it

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all, he was the same guy
that was in the craft when I was

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coming through a you know, and
so I was sat there. The next

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thing I remember, I was waking
up out of it. And I'll tell

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you from Ricky's perspective. He said
that what they did is all of a

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sudden, like they made me close
my eyes. They laid me on the

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sofa, and the guy that was
on the floor, he was running a

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light underneath my body backs and forwards. Ricky telepathically asked what they were doing,

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and they said that they were keeping
me healthy. They said that they

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said I had an unhealthy lifestyle and
they needed to maintain my health, and

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therefore they would quite regularly do these
kind of like energy balancing. I don't

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know what you'd call it light work
or whatever. I had no idea about

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it, because I say, I
was out cold when that happened. And

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then Ricky noticed that the guy that
was stood up looked a lot like me,

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And as soon as he had that
thought, the guy turned around him

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and telepathically told him that he was
me. So again I had this second

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experience with someone else involved, where
this guy keeps telling people that he is

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me and that he lives obviously in
another reality and not. Don't really think

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these guys are coming from another star
system or anything. I'm pretty sure it's

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more like like the way I talks
about realities being like radio stations. Yeah,

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we did talk about this before lock
an interdimensional thing. I'm pretty sure

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that if I mean that word obviously
doesn't really clear up any mysteries. But

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no, of course it doesn't.
Know. It's really surmising, aren't we

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sure it's more like that, you
know what I mean, that they're literally

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traveling in frequencies rather distances. And
he but he told him the same thing.

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He said. He said, Oh, that's because I am him,

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he said, so, he said, basically, he said, like he

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even now this is a weird thing. He told him that he said that

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there was a swap done at birth, that when I was supposed to be

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born it was done then that there
was um so it's hard to explain best

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that So interestingly enough, when I
was born, my mum said that all

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the way through her pregnancy she was
going to call me Paul, right but

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when I was born, she said, they both looked at me, my

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mum and dad and went, oh, no, he's not a Paul.

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His Dave would call him Dave.
So they called me Dave right then my

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sister years later, I had a
boy and he was called Paul. And

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he's always been like a son to
my mom and dad, Like, you

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know, he had the same interest
as my dad, played golf, was

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into diy and he was like he
was so close to them that they always

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said to me, you know,
he's like the son we never had.

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Was that an insult or it was
strange? I think, yeah, Like

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because they always said to they never
understood me, you know, they said

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I was a strange child and stuff. But I found that interesting that I

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knew of that at the time this
happened. But then when this guy explained

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to Ricky that I'd swapped, I'd
made an agreement with someone else to swap

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places and he would come through later. It made me wonder whether it was

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actually my nephew Paul. You know, you know, these things possibly could

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work, but it's there's a possibility
there. And again I'm not saying I

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know that for a fact or that
I can't prove it obviously, but it's

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just one of those intuition things.
It feels like, well, after what

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this guy said and after hour felt
it just felt like there was a possibility

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that that was the case, you
know. But yeah, just just another

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one of those strange things that basically, like all my life, I've sort

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of like or since this has all
happened, just consciously, I basically walk

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around, um it's too and froing
about my identity you know. Does that

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make sense? Yeah? It does. I'd like to know, like and

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I and I honestly believe that this
is true for a lot of people that

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a lot of experiences when you scratch
the surface with them, they will have

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this sense that if you talk to
them enough and they'll sort of say,

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oh, yes, and I've had
contact and all this sort of thing,

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and you can talk to them about
it and stuff and then if once you've

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got that trust built up, in
that rapport and you sort of say,

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well, do you do you feel
entirely human? A lot of them will

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admit to you that no, actually, I honestly believe that I'm an alien

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living in a human body. And
I'm like, ah, okay, I'm

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glad you said that because that's how
I feel too. And I'm not sure

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exactly you know what that means?
What does it mean? I still you

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know, I have to go to
work, I go to the toilet and

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do all the same things, and
you know, lose my temper sometimes,

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you know, I feel can attest
to that, but like, you know,

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but it's still there. It's still
there as an identity crisis. It's

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like, you know, you're living
going well, I don't. I don't

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feel like I belong here. I
don't feel like I don't feel entirely human.

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You know, people always treat you
a little bit strange, as if

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on some subconscious level they they sense
there's something about you. You know,

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Um, it's difficult, and I
you know, if I know, Fiel

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won't mind me saying, because we've
discussed it before, but I'm sure that

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Phil can relate to what I'm saying
too, because I'm pretty sure feels in

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the same boat as me. I'll
hand that over to feel now for that

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bombshelf, now you're all feel Yeah, that definitely happened what they've described with

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Ricky. You know, I'm just
I was so shocked at how many different

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experiences were happening over a short period
of time, you know, over at

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that time period, whether it was
a rookie or Dave, myself and other

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people who I'm not sure if they
want to be named, but there was

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a lot of people. You know. Yeah, we won't name anyone on

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this. Yeah it's not really necessary, but yeah, that's what so um.

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But you know, there was just
a vast array of different experiences that

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was going on. And you know, we get together and go camping various

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different places and stuff like that.
And I think wheelchair was was a hot

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spot during the summer about this time
of year, and you know, we

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saw some pretty pretty pretty tremendous things
there as well. There was there was

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a crop circle, um, which
I found quite amazing because I don't know

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about you, but I didn't see
how that thing was made. It just

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appeared open night. That's interesting.
And we were there all night, so

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yeah, we had a vantage point
of it. Yeah, and there was

411
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,079
as the helicopter went there in the
morning, they were sitting over it.

412
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,200
Yeah. Just a lot of like
cool things like you know you look back

413
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,799
on you just think, wow,
that was one of that was one of

414
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:14,599
the greatest times in my life,
you know, one lot of but and

415
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,359
ye find it very exciting to be
fair, that was an exciting time.

416
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,400
Yeah, yeah, it was.
And just just just all the different adventures

417
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,880
you know that we seem to end
up on just as a friend group,

418
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,160
you know, I know, you
guys went to like Glastonbury and stuff,

419
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:35,559
and there was you know, we
were always at wheelchair and places like that.

420
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
For the solstice. Um, just
soaking landscape. You know, if

421
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,319
you haven't been, it's a tremendous
landscape. It definitely does something to you.

422
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,519
Um. But yeah, just following
onto what Dave was saying about,

423
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,119
you know, trying to live a
normal life. And yeah, there's there's

424
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,759
definitely two sides of you. Um, one side you have to keep it

425
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,079
sort of normal, you know for
people that want to keep it normal,

426
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:04,920
and then like this other part of
you that's you know, conducting this lifelong

427
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,319
mission maybe. Um. It it
was like and it you know, that

428
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,160
side of you doesn't make sense to
a lot of people. Um, they

429
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,960
can't figure out a lot of your
motive. You know. I've had many

430
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,079
people over my life try and question
my motive and just it doesn't make any

431
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,240
sense to them. But to me, it makes perfect sense, you know.

432
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,039
Um. And there's just a lot
of similarities between what Day was saying

433
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,799
that, you know, just surrounded
by plausible doubt, but it can still

434
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,720
very much relate to um a lot
of what you just said there. You

435
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:44,160
know, it's hard for me to
get into because I'm not not quite far

436
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,400
along than in this is Dave,
So I don't know sort of too much

437
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,200
about my myself on a deeper level
just yet. But yeah, and I've

438
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,480
I've had to be careful with that
as well, like obviously just to jump

439
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,519
in there, feel but it's just
like you know, when I've known things

440
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,960
about people, I've had to be
really careful. It's a it's a balancing

441
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,320
act, you know. Like sometimes
when I'm talking to people, I'll be

442
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,400
having other information coming into my head
about them. M hm, yeah,

443
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:24,519
that was Yes, I have to
be so careful because I don't because there's

444
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:30,800
you know, especially if once you
know that someone trusts you and they believe

445
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,360
what you are saying to them,
then you know you have a duty of

446
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,360
care to not you know, to
not twist people's heads, you know,

447
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,760
because I have to assume that if
you were something you need, you were

448
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,639
supposed to know that, you know
that you would know it exactly. And

449
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,920
sometimes I wondered, why is they
tell me stuff about people? It's not

450
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,719
kind of none of my business in
a way, you know, do you

451
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,840
do you think that you're going that
Yeah? So yeah, the way that

452
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,519
you can read people from your experiences, yeah so yeah, so it's definitely.

453
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,679
I wasn't sure whether like I was
psychic or whatever, but I to

454
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,559
me, it's a completely natural I've
learned how to shut it down. Actually,

455
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,039
that's that's what I've had to do
more so as I've got older.

456
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,480
That's probably the hard part. Once
you turn it on, you feel like,

457
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,119
oh, yeah, this is amazing, and then you know, turning

458
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,840
it off is I'm just at the
stage where I've learned to turn it off.

459
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,880
But it wasn't easy, and you
begin to learn to filter as and

460
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,280
when you need the information about people
and you someone's like that Spider Man quote.

461
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,639
You know, great power comes great
responsibility, So you just try and

462
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,920
maintain people's privacy and stuff like that, you know. But one of the

463
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,760
funny things is these days is not
so that period that we were talking about

464
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,119
with feel and everyone one else.
The actually finding these days that I'm not

465
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,480
really guided to many people. Um, it's an interesting sort of lull,

466
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:15,119
you know, Like now I'm living
a very you know, I'm not say

467
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,119
I'm not going to apply to you
guys, you know what I mean,

468
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:21,360
Like, you know, but I'm
just living a very mundane light. Um,

469
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,320
I don't you know, there's nothing
crazy. I mean, I'll say

470
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:29,119
there's nothing crazy again I ask.
I do see UFOs quite regularly. It's

471
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,840
not crazier though, and I do
I have to I don't have had a

472
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,480
little bit of contact recently, to
be fair, but it's very far and

473
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:43,159
view between you know, and and
they did tell me once that, um,

474
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,920
there is there's a lot of energy
involved in making the experience into the

475
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,000
fact we when we have like full
on face to face contact, there's a

476
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,440
lot of energy involved in that.
Yeah. So yeah, while it's when

477
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,039
it's not necessary it's just basically telepathic
is a lot easier. Um. So

478
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,480
I received more telepathics now than anything. Um And plus it there at the

479
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,679
time that went so after the period
where me and my wife were taken on

480
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,880
board the craft, there they were
they were actually actively trying to bust me

481
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,760
open. You know, they needed
me, they needed me to trust them,

482
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:27,639
and they needed me to act on
their will. So they gave me

483
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,639
no option but to have to believe
in them. If that makes sense.

484
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,039
Yeah, Well, now that we're
in this situation where I know they exist,

485
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:37,920
I know, I know they exist. Yeah, you crossed that line,

486
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,159
don't you. Yeah, we don't
need to we don't need to do

487
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,639
what was happening there, if that
makes sense. You know, like,

488
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,280
um, you know phone calls enough. You know, it's like it's that

489
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,760
there was reasons for that ripple that
happened like that. You know, they

490
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,559
dropped that pebble in that pond to
all the people around me and affected a

491
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:06,159
lot of people. But then once
it was done, it seemed to be

492
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,360
that it was done, you know, like that, And these days I

493
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:13,280
never like get like, oh,
this is someone you need to speak to,

494
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:15,679
or this is you know, you're
you're about to this guy's waking up

495
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,719
or whatever, the work or whatever. You know, it's like it's not

496
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,360
happening. It's not happening anymore so, and I sometimes felt like, and

497
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,079
again this isn't something we've said,
but it's something I've felt. If I

498
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,039
wonder sometimes whether actually it's getting harder
and harder just at this current state in

499
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,480
the game, because if the world
feels like the frequency is dropped a bit

500
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,079
and things are getting a little bit
in some ways are getting a bit darker

501
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,239
and a bit lower, and I've
got a feeling that that is making it

502
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,679
harder for the energetic leap. For
contact. I think there's a lot of

503
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,639
UFOs being sitting and obviously people are
having contact. But yeah, exactly,

504
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,360
I know what you mean. Some
ways things are looking darker, but also

505
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,719
in some ways people are actually awakening
not as well to to what's going on.

506
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,480
I feel I feel like there's there
is like a massive awakening going on.

507
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,599
Yeah, but you know what I
mean, feel where it feels like

508
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,119
as if the people, a lot
of the people are waking up now are

509
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:23,840
kind of like where we were in
yeah, like twenty ten um, but

510
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,320
it's like they're angry. It's like
that old I said. You know,

511
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,280
the truth will set you free,
but first it will piss you off.

512
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,199
You know, there's a lot of
people out there, like you know,

513
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,800
protesting, getting into looking at conspiracy
information, you know, and getting kind

514
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,199
of angry about the prison that they're
finding themselves in. Um it's like a

515
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,360
long journey in different stages to it. Yeah, it is. And then

516
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:52,639
of course eventually it's almost like if
you go back to the stage of like

517
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,239
normality, you know, like you're
you're you're aware of what's going on everything

518
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,159
else. You've become normal again.
It's like the Buddhas saying, isn't it

519
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,360
you know, like at first it's
it all changes, you know, a

520
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,280
mountain is not a mountain anymore,
and then eventually a mountain is a mountain

521
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,559
again, and you do sort of
come back to like, oh, okay,

522
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,639
this is my new normal, you
know what I mean. But it

523
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,599
is just normal. It's I go
to the shops, get the groceries.

524
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,079
You know, I've put petrol in
the car and go to work. You

525
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,400
know, it's just you. You're
just doing everything you were doing before.

526
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,039
I do sometimes find it funny when
I look at people were like, you

527
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:29,960
know, just say hi to people, and that's just sort of thing I

528
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,800
wonder, you know, it never
occurred to people, you know, when

529
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,760
I'm still behind them in a queue
or anything, you know that they're not

530
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,840
thinking. I wonder if that guy's
walked around with aliens and been on board

531
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,679
spaceships and they're not thinking that,
are they when they look at me?

532
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,239
You know what I mean, it's
just like, you know, I haven't

533
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,719
got a million quid for it or
anything like that, so I just like

534
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,320
must look pretty normal. I think
we also point out, I mean,

535
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,679
the opinion the music business for the
world for quite a lot of years,

536
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,039
and I would like to say that
it wasn't drugs or stuff that was involved

537
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:07,440
in all this, was it.
Now that's an interesting question, right,

538
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:13,159
No, drugs weren't mainly involved in
these contacts. But there is a stigma

539
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,119
attached to like the idea of people
saying, well, you know that if

540
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:21,280
someone did drugs, and that completely
invalidates everything that happened. Now, if

541
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,440
you went to Africa and Shamans and
that kind of thing. I have I

542
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,239
have drunk Iawaska, you know,
and I have tried the MT and I

543
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,360
have tried. I've tried lots of
different drugs. To be fair, I

544
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,079
wouldn't never claim that's not the case. But like you know, people don't

545
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:43,440
look at those shamans and sort of
go ah, bloody druggies, you know,

546
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,079
they just they go no, no, no, no. These guys

547
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:51,039
are taking substances that have opened their
minds up into other dimensions that these these

548
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,159
the usould take with lst things.
They actually opened your mind, didn't they

549
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:58,639
to what was really going on?
Yeah? I see, I found I

550
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:05,280
tried to make contact happen through taking
drugs I did, you know, I

551
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,800
was open to anything I would try. But what I tend to find is

552
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,079
that if I took like magic mushrooms
or LSD and stuff like that, it

553
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:19,800
would just it was too chaotic.
My mind was too inebriated from the actual

554
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,480
substance, if that makes sense,
to have a clear you know, like

555
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:32,920
experience. I did smoke mariana for
quite a long time, but I don't

556
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,519
think that anyone. I don't generally
find that if people say, oh,

557
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,119
they smoked weed, that they they
started going on board spaceships and stuff.

558
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,840
Me. So I think it's it
can be a little bit of a kind

559
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,559
of cop out just to sort of
say, oh, you've done drugs,

560
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,559
haven't you, So therefore this completely
invalidates what you're saying. You know,

561
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:59,599
It's like for me, both things
are true. It's like I had experiences

562
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,159
all my life well before I ever
touched drugs or anything. But it's also

563
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,440
true. I won't lie to you. I was in a rock band,

564
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,239
you know, for a long time
and stuff, you know, and I

565
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,320
and I had touch drugs. Um, But that it's not the reason why

566
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,519
I had these experiences. No,
No, I do understand. That's why

567
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,239
what they'll bring it in a case
people they are thinking maybe called because you're

568
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,079
in a rock and roll band,
or if you want to call it a

569
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:29,719
rock and roll band for what were
better too. Yeah, it's um.

570
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,599
Yeah. The people often you know, immediately think oh, he's been on

571
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,920
the drugs or drinking and stuff like
that. But that's that isn't the case,

572
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,519
and that's going to be that that's
going to be true enough for some

573
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,639
people that they're going to they can
turn around and it's lovely because it's a

574
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,320
it gives them a plausible denial.
They can just turn around and say everything

575
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,400
that guy is saying is totally invalid
because like you know, he smoked weed

576
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,039
or you know he did ecstasy or
whatever. Yeah, And it's like,

577
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,800
yep, that's fine, And if
that's how you feel about it, obviously

578
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,880
they that's fine. But all I
can tell you is from and I hope

579
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,199
that it comes through with the way
I'm talking about it now, is that

580
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:14,039
I am I do know the difference
between being drunken sober YEA or high and

581
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,480
so well no, I know that
if I did point that out, that

582
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,880
you would be able to highlight that
and and separate the difference and sort of

583
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,079
explains what the differences are which you've
done. And I think also like as

584
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,039
far as I could, you know, if you wanted to day, we

585
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,800
could do ten shows and I could
bring a different person on every show who

586
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,679
would tell you what the experiences they
had with me. Yeah. Right,

587
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:44,440
you're a challenge. And you know, I'd love to see someone explain that

588
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,159
away as the fact that I smoked
spliff, yeah, because I just don't

589
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,559
think that it holds up to scrutiny. You know. Well, I'm just

590
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,480
writing down all those dates for you, So Okay, that's how that's where

591
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,400
I stand. I wouldn't like to
say I never did drugs. I did,

592
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,360
I didn't know. I understand that
also you had. We had to

593
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,119
bring in David Hoddren Hodrien into this
because he did quite a lot of research

594
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,920
into you. Well sure, I
don't know if I should rephrase that.

595
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,239
He did actually do a lot of
researching at you, um, and he

596
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,840
found quite a few very interesting things
to back up a lot of what you're

597
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,000
saying, isn't he right? Yeah? Yeah, I like fat. In

598
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,679
fact, we did actually mention because
I did a show with him a couple

599
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:35,159
of shows back, and we did
actually talk to you about that talk about

600
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,440
you on the Yeah, I listened
to that. Yeah, yeah, like

601
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:44,239
Dave you know. And there is
a video on YouTube with him. Um,

602
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,599
there's a few where we as the
band, we went up and did

603
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:55,679
a talk at boot Fog And also
there's a YouTube video of him talking at

604
00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:00,800
the Swansea ufhone network. Um.
I think it was called the Bister abduction

605
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,079
case, and he was talking about
my case basically, you know, and

606
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,599
all the all the different aspects of
it. Yeah, I know, I'd

607
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:13,840
say I know that Dave's busy guy, and obviously he probably gets people coming

608
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,199
to him every week, you know, with a with a new contact experience

609
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:21,039
and stuff. So it's hard to
guy to keep in touch with. But

610
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:22,639
but yeah, for for a while
there he was, he was, he

611
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:30,000
was on my case. But he's
a very thorough guy actually, to be

612
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,400
fair, you know, and he
does check out everything you say. It's

613
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,360
one of those guys that he'll come
back to you and say, oh,

614
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,559
you know you said that you know, the moon was full, so I've

615
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:43,840
worked out it was this date or
you know that sort of thing was right

616
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,199
you said it wasn't. Oh yeah, yeah, he's very good at that

617
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,599
sort of thing, you know.
And he was very interested to to come

618
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:52,960
to the actual spots as well.
Like you know, if you told him

619
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,679
about something that happened, he wanted
to be there. So he would drive

620
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,800
down from Birmingham and say, right, to take me to this field,

621
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,800
you know, take me to take
me to these woods or whatever, take

622
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,239
me where this happened, you know, like he was. You know,

623
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,119
I think the report that he wrote
about this case, I'm sure he said

624
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,920
it was in the hundreds of pages. Yeah, I've got some of it

625
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,360
actually, but he said to me, so I've got all of it.

626
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:24,280
But I've got some of it.
Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty comprehensive to

627
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,599
say, like, you know,
it's a big organization and he's running there,

628
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,880
so he's onto the next one and
away he goes, you know,

629
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,840
like a yeah, it was a
good guy. Yeah, I'll do I'll

630
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,239
do respect what he does. You
know, it was a good show with

631
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,920
you. Actually was about two ls, I think. Yeah, I film

632
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,360
wasn't involved in any with anything with
David, was he? Yeah? Sorry,

633
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,000
sorry we're talking to you in the
in the in the well, I

634
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,159
should be speaking directly to your field. Were you involved in the Yeah,

635
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,360
I was involved in the report,
And yeah, that was a year or

636
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,880
so of investigating UM on and off
various different things. And like they've said,

637
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,880
it was Dave was very thorough about
things. He was constantly coming back

638
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,639
to verify things. So I just
submitted an eye witnessed testimony and just sort

639
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:22,119
of just verified things that I experienced. Really, so, yeah, there's

640
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:30,800
I'm in. I'm in that report
as well. So I wonder what happened,

641
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,320
Yes, I thought, I thought, yeah, I thought for a

642
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,800
minute, yeah, yeah, I
can't actually remember what was actually in the

643
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,440
report? Was your name mentioned in
it? Then yeah, I was mentioned

644
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,400
or was it just as a person
that a witness my name was mentioned for

645
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:53,400
it? Um and I I just
gave a eyewitnessed testimony about what I experienced,

646
00:48:53,639 --> 00:49:00,840
UM and and my sort of m
what's the introduction experiences as they've described,

647
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,119
you know, the first sort of
face to face contact as an adult,

648
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,599
it's very different when you're a kid. You know, you just think

649
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,199
everyone experiences it, and then it
sort of stops happening, and then I

650
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,920
think once it happens to you again
as an adult, it's very eye opening,

651
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920
you know, and and just seeing
them interact with the world is pretty

652
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,760
pretty funny, you know. UM, it's um, it's it's very very

653
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,159
surreal um And it can take a
long a long time to come to terms

654
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:37,239
of that. So yeah, I
just at the time, I just kind

655
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,800
of was very shell shocked and just
sort of you know, wrote down what

656
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,719
I witnessed and just sort of gave
it to Dave. But for me,

657
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,159
that that experience, that's that's sort
of fully in the report was it was

658
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,480
very much like Dave was saying and
before, it takes a lot of energy

659
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:59,559
for them to be here, so
they were they were if they can just

660
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:04,320
sort of along and just slotting that
last puzzle piece for you. And if

661
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,800
that's them coming and standing face to
face with you to validate everything you've ever

662
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,039
learned, you know, in questioning
the world you're living to speak, they

663
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,199
just come along and go, yeah, no, it's all true, isn't

664
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:22,320
it crazy? Like take a minute, we know it's fine, you know.

665
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:29,000
And the intelligence that I experienced was
from them was wow, it was

666
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:34,280
it was it was something else,
you know, um didn't really seem to

667
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,559
have a direction in time that they
subscribed to, Like we can really only

668
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:45,119
have memories of the past, and
they seem to be able to have memories

669
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,159
of the future and things. And
yeah, just so are you of the

670
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,039
same opinion as though, So maybe
they were in a dimensional creatures for what

671
00:50:53,280 --> 00:51:00,800
about a word? Yes, obviously
I don't know. You know, I

672
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,239
probably have more questions now than you
know, than what I did in the

673
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,480
lead up to that experience. But
yeah, I'm of that persuasion. That's

674
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:15,000
my current school of thought. There
is some kind of interdimensional species. I

675
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:20,360
think cryptozoology is very lazy in this
day and age. I mean, who

676
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,159
am I to stumble across this?
And yeah, you know, the finest

677
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,239
minds, you know, to struggling
to to sort of piece this together,

678
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,039
and that that's really worrying, that
that scares me. And you know,

679
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,280
part part of even just doing this
sort of podcast is because I just think

680
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,159
it must be very daunting for people
that can't piece this together or have a

681
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,760
reference point. So you know,
it's just very vital to try and bring

682
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,239
some of the finer nuances of the
reality if if you do so, happen

683
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,880
to experience phenomena of this nature.
But I'm very much of that persuasion.

684
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:06,119
They don't. They're interdimensional species that
don't really seem bound by space or time,

685
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:14,320
and because of that, they operate, their perceptions operate very differently.

686
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,519
And my interpretation of it is,
well, what I witnessed is they can

687
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,239
disappear before your eyes. They can
see things in the future just before they

688
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,440
happen. They can seemingly read your
thoughts. You know, one expression I

689
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,119
took away from that first experience as
an adult was, you know, we've

690
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:40,599
all heard the term you know,
I can tell what you're going to say

691
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:44,719
because of the look on your face. You know, it was like they

692
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,760
could tell what I was about to
think. Because of the electrochemical imbalances that

693
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,360
were occurring in my brain and could
basically give me answers before I could even

694
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:00,519
form the question in my mind.
I mean, you can't, you can't

695
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,360
really turn that off after that.
And that's I guess what Dave and I

696
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,760
were trying to explain a little bit
earlier, you know, being able to

697
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,840
turn that off. You know,
I would say that us as a species,

698
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:17,719
we all have that ability. We
perhaps see it in married couples are

699
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,239
in love. You know, they're
on the same wavelength they know each other

700
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,280
of thinking. And I think the
love part is a very important part because

701
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,679
you know, part of the difficulties
of sort of experiencing something like that and

702
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,679
then you know, trying to come
back to normal society is that people people

703
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,519
people don't seem to love each other
like these people do. You know.

704
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:45,760
It's and it's like, yeah,
it's it's very different philosophies, you know,

705
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,719
and the physics of how it all
works. I mean, well,

706
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,119
I've been looking into it for a
long time and again not really, none

707
00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:01,880
the wiser just discovered things. And
from what I've understood, science is is

708
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:07,840
um is slowly playing catch up to
these these principles, and you know,

709
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,239
it could We've seen the NASA press
conferences. You know, I don't really

710
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,559
know what the UFOs are and things
like that. Um well, I'm sure

711
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,400
they know more than they let on. But yeah, yeah, I guess

712
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,719
you can certainly really go by what's
being said publicly and then just hold them

713
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:34,320
accountans it's proven not true. Um
but yeah, it's it's been quite quite

714
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,760
the experience. I think that they
would say, fields well, it's not

715
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,360
about like that they're like gooder or
better or whatever. It would just sort

716
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,639
of like say, oh, it's
just this is the truth. I mean,

717
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:51,199
like, you know, we we
love each other more because that's the

718
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,760
truth. You know. It's like
it's like it's like the fact that we're

719
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,440
all one thing is the truth.
It's not it's not a kind of like

720
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,000
a better or worse situation, is
it is? And like you know that

721
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:06,159
when people are trying to improve themselves
or whatever and you'd find out they can't,

722
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,880
it's it's it's just the fact that
they just are more in line with

723
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,280
the actual truth, isn't it.
You know? Yeah, And I say,

724
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,760
if it turns out the actual truth
is there is no time and space.

725
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,360
That's right, that we are living
in a form of illusion, you

726
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,400
know, and that we are all
connected. Of course, if we all

727
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:31,039
walked around with that as the truth, we would definitely behave differently and feel

728
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:37,119
more absolutely. And I've obviously had
you know, call it, for lack

729
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,880
of a better term, conversations with
them in a way where you know it's

730
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,079
done telepathically, for lack of a
better term. Yeah, I say one

731
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,280
of the driving factors of why we
live the way we live is probably the

732
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:57,679
modern economy and the scarcity that it
promotes deeply, and I've spent a lot

733
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:01,360
of time thinking about this, and
yeah, I'd say that's probably one of

734
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,400
the driving factors. I mean,
if you get into that sort of like

735
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,320
you know, like things that kind
of things that Ike would say, is

736
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:14,320
that that's all been done on purpose
to that very end. Yeah, it's

737
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,559
the whole system is set up to
keep us separated, isn't it is to

738
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:21,880
keep our state of consciousness busy on
the farm, worrying about paying the rent,

739
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,679
you know, worrying about this that
the other, and you're just you're

740
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:32,840
just too focused on survival to be
thinking about the truth. And I think

741
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,639
it's also true of telepathy as well
as Obviously telepathy is not some magical thing

742
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,159
the idea that all our brains are
connected and that they can decode. I

743
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,960
mean, like, even when you're
listening to someone audibly and you're basically decoding

744
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:49,440
frequency through your ears, aren't you
that then decoded in your mind, you

745
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,320
know, into words? You understand? That is effectively what telepathy is.

746
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:59,039
I think that most people's minds are
so scattered and thinking things that they would

747
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:04,880
rather other people didn't know that.
That's why we're not fluently telepathic with each

748
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,199
other, right, because we hide
ourselves from each other, you know.

749
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,079
That's we have to because because of
the way we are, you know,

750
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:15,000
because we're just everyone's worried that everyone
would be offended if they told them the

751
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,679
truth or if they you know,
like responded in a natural way to things

752
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:24,519
that shown that, like we just
not mature enough to be telepathic. But

753
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:30,360
when you're in the in the presence
of these guys, telepathy is absolutely natural.

754
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,400
Yeah, you know. And then
they also have a look when they

755
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:39,280
look at you, is that they
understand that your mind is you know,

756
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,000
it's it's not there or whatever,
so they don't mind that you think things

757
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:49,679
about them, you know, and
that you're you're being offensive or whatever.

758
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Sometimes you can, you know,
you can have a knee jet reaction,

759
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,360
you know, I mean, I
don't think this or whatever. And of

760
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,239
course, like you're you're thinking,
it's just but they know that they're mature

761
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,360
enough to go. Yes, we
know that you're plays out, you're thinking,

762
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,000
you know, look at this guy
or look at his eyes or whatever.

763
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,880
You know, you're doing all this
stuff. You know, what would

764
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,119
you do if I attacked him?
You know, all that they're thinking.

765
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:13,360
They can see all that. You
know, they mature enough to hear it.

766
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,840
Whereas obviously most normal people if you
like, you know, if we

767
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,519
were if they could hear your thoughts, you know, we'd all end up,

768
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:25,880
you know, punching each other's heads
in time. Can I just added

769
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,880
one more thing in absolutely, just
because there was something you were saying earlier,

770
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Dave about so I think it was
when you call them creatures, just

771
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,280
to let you know they would what
their take on it would be okay,

772
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,960
Because they've explained this to me is
that they consider themselves to be human.

773
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:54,760
They say that it's us that are
the hybrids, right, Yeah, So

774
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:02,159
that the reason why they look like
the better looking than us is because they

775
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:07,280
are. They told me that they
are what they consider to be like pure

776
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,599
humans. Well, I was actually
going to ask you, is there anything

777
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,960
visual that you've got to go with
the theopathic passages? And you're kind of

778
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:20,360
just answering that now. So yeah, it says that they they think that

779
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,119
we've got like a like a form
of like kind of mixed DNA with other

780
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:31,000
species and that's what leads to some
of our like, um, bizarre traits,

781
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:37,360
you know, and stuff that our
aggression, our territory being territorial,

782
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,440
being greedy, you know, these
kind of things that we are torn between

783
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:45,239
two animals basically, So have they
given you any inkling yes, or while

784
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:52,559
we're here and where we came from? Um A part it's going to sound

785
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:59,239
really like, uh, you know, lovey dovey sort of thing. But

786
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:04,719
they do genuinely believe that, like
the whole universe is based on unconditional love,

787
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:09,360
and that the only reason we're here
at all is not to gain money

788
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:15,199
or power or you know, there
is only one game in town, and

789
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,280
that is to align with love and
make there is only one game in town.

790
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,320
Now, they've always suggested to me
that there's this is a form of

791
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:32,719
illusion, like a dream. But
they said, but it's a real dream.

792
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,719
So they said that, like they
said, don't get into that state

793
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,840
of mind where you go, this
is all none of this is real.

794
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,239
They said, it is true that
obviously it's not as it appears to be.

795
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,039
It is true that your mind is
decoding frequency patterns and stuff and turning

796
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:54,639
them into reality. Yeah, he's
turning them into streets and cars and people

797
01:00:54,719 --> 01:01:00,159
and stuff, and that things aren't
as they see. Science is back this

798
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,880
up. Now. There's a professor
from the University of West Sussex called Annual

799
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,840
Seth, and he did a dead
talk where he demonstrates this, where he

800
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:15,000
where our minds are basically hallucinating reality
and like you know, what we call

801
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:21,360
a collective delusion is reality for all
intensive purposes. And there's demonstrations that he

802
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,400
does live on stage quite phenomenal that
demonstrates that very thing, you know,

803
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,599
how our minds are constructing it.
The thing the danger I think with that

804
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:37,400
can be is obviously it could lead
to a form of nihilism where you sort

805
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,079
of think, well, there's just
no point, you know, there's no

806
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:44,719
nothing's real. So therefore it doesn't
matter why I do, and it's you

807
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:52,199
know, there's there's no moral imperative. But they're saying that when you dream

808
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,599
something, that the dream is real
only because of its source. Right,

809
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:00,440
So the source on this smaller level
is you. You know that you are

810
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,679
the dreamer, so you're the real
thing that dreams the dream. And they

811
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:10,039
said that basically for you know,
I wish we had different words to describe

812
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:15,480
all this thing. This was the
dream of God, and that because God

813
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:22,920
is real or this unconditional love,
this one that is absolutely real. It's

814
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:29,000
the only thing that's real. So
when it dreams, the dream is real.

815
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:34,719
But it's a dream. So it
does matter what you do. It

816
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,440
does matter who you are, it
does matter how you conduct yourself, and

817
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:43,920
it you know the fact that you're
not who or what you think you are.

818
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,719
The world isn't exactly what you think
is. It doesn't mean give up

819
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:53,760
on life. It means a line
with the truth. Just seek truth and

820
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:59,599
the truth will set you free.
I mean, yeah, yeah, by

821
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,000
David, I don't know, but
I thought that David like a lot,

822
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,559
as you know, and I genuinely
believe that there's that, you know,

823
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:12,039
so I recently just read one of
Mike's books, The Trap. Yeah,

824
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,239
great book, and I hadn't read
any of his stuff for years, you

825
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,760
know. And and again it really
affected me to read that. I really

826
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,920
needed that book at the time.
Yeah, I read it, and I

827
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,119
just recently I've been i found myself
in a very liminal space. I've just

828
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:30,320
changed jobs. I think that that
book actually makes you realize a lot of

829
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,320
things, that it is very awakening. No, I would suggest anyone out

830
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,440
there listening to this read The Trap
by David Like, because it's a fantastic

831
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,840
book and it will make you realize
a lot of things. So I was

832
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,119
about two two thirds of the way
through that book, and it gave me

833
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:51,679
an a genuine experience where all of
a sudden, I was I went outside

834
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:52,719
for a fact, because I've been
reading for a while. And then I

835
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:58,079
stood there and then I had what
some people would refer to as a reality

836
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,519
crisis. I just I knew that
nothing was real. And then it hit

837
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,239
me really hard, and I was
stood there and it was It wasn't an

838
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,519
intellectual knowing. It was like an
experience, you know. And I was

839
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,039
listening to my partner talking in the
house, but I could read her thoughts.

840
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,199
At the same time, I knew, I knew there's subtext of why

841
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,880
she was saying what she was saying, what was really going on inside of

842
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:30,239
And then I projected across town and
I could see my daughter talking, which

843
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,840
she confirmed the next day was exactly
what she was saying, and where she

844
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,280
was where I could see it well, and I was. Then then what

845
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,440
happened was it got too much very
quickly, and I felt this like genetic

846
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:50,440
fear just hit me like that.
It was like as if I could have

847
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:54,920
escaped reality. That's how it felt. It felt like I was, Oh,

848
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,039
I'm in control here. I know
everyone's mind is one. I can

849
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,519
read anybody's mind. I can see
I can take myself wherever I want to

850
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:05,360
go and see what's going on there. And it was happening. And then

851
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,719
all of a sudden, fear just
hit me. And I've realized that fear

852
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,760
is the it is the gatekeeper.
It just came in like a brick wall

853
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:19,280
and went bull stop, just stop, you need to ground yourself. And

854
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,519
I actually what I had to do
then for the next sort of five minutes,

855
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,599
so it was I had to winge
and I found that winging made me

856
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:31,199
feel real again. I think we
all have will have a winge every there.

857
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,559
And then I realized why it is
that some people do wins all the

858
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:38,800
time, because I think it's like
it's like it's like they're grounding themselves all

859
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,760
the time. It holds you in
in the matrix, if you like,

860
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,280
if you just keep winging and making
other people into enemies and other you know,

861
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,920
others, others, it just makes
you feel real. But if you

862
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:55,760
start loving every single person around you
unconditionally, yeah, very difficult. Sometimes

863
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,079
you're just you could vanish, you
know, you could. I think you

864
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,920
could go home anytime you want,
but you would have to turn and just

865
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:10,239
go I want to go home,
and you'd have to fall in love with

866
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:15,320
love unobtrusively, absolutely one. You
could go. You could go anytime,

867
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,800
because it's not real. You're not
stuck here. Like I said, it

868
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:24,119
is a trap. But the real
secret to break in the trap is to

869
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:29,400
realize that there is no trap.
You're not actually in prison. Its just

870
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,440
it feels like you are, and
there is a prison, like an illusory

871
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,840
prison set up, but you do
have the key, yeah, and you

872
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:43,800
can free yourself at any time and
that's these guys have always talked basically in

873
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,920
line with Ike. I'd having experiences
with them before I red Ike. But

874
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,400
like I said to you, before, after I'd had the experience with these

875
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,559
guys, I was having like Ike's
books fall out off bookshelves in front of

876
01:06:56,599 --> 01:07:00,199
I was having My wife came home
from the library and going, oh,

877
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:02,400
I just brought all these books I
saw on the side because they were all

878
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,199
fifty pe a piece and it was
like children and the Matrix David I.

879
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,920
It was. That was happening all
the time. I say, well,

880
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,400
a good price because something I was
going for quite a bit of money there.

881
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,079
Well, yeah, that's right.
Yeah. And then even with even

882
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,639
with this trap recently, you know, my partner, like it's not often

883
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:20,519
that she will, you know,
would listen to what I was saying and

884
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:27,199
then buy me something that was like
you know valid. I go through the

885
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:30,480
post and she said, I brought
that book for you for the trap because

886
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,519
you were great on that video.
Yeah. I've actually got the audio version

887
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,719
of that as well. You know, look through what's it called. There's

888
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:41,360
an audio book library thing. You
can go on him doing it, isn't

889
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,000
it talking? Yeah? I see
him doing it. It's actually brilliant.

890
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,360
Yeah, I've listened to it about
three times apart from reading the book as

891
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,320
well. There's something about he does
carry an energy then he does. Definitely

892
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:57,119
I've met him, but I've spoken
to him and in no in no uncertain

893
01:07:57,199 --> 01:08:00,719
terms of the crazy like the media
tried to portray him. Yeah, he's

894
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,840
a very last person. That's it. I wonder what sometimes where there's like

895
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,159
I know we spoke about this before, but on a slightly more on the

896
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:15,320
contact level. It's something that he
doesn't often get too deeply into. If

897
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,760
you notice that he will talk about
the fact that he's having these like interdimensional

898
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:25,560
experiences. Someone in the room that
was kept you know, talking to him

899
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,039
more. Yeah, it doesn't harp
on about it all the time. Yeah,

900
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:33,479
but there he obviously is a team
there somewhere that are supporting him.

901
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:39,279
Yeah, and I would it wouldn't
shock me if, you know, if

902
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,840
they were a similar team to the
same people that were talking to me m

903
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,079
and like, you know, and
I just I don't know, but like

904
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,840
no one's actually ever said anything,
but like it's just the fact that it

905
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,359
all just seems to be the same
kind of it's got the same energy about

906
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,479
it, the same kind of overall
message. But the guys with me,

907
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,039
they didn't talk too much about they
don't talk focused too much on the conspiracy

908
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:09,279
that it is just a solution that
seems to be more interested in pressing on

909
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,920
me. I mean, I totally
see why it is that David I talks

910
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,399
about the problem because a lot of
people do need to know what the problem

911
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,000
is, you know. Yeah,
I'm sure that if he was sitting there

912
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,319
with him and everyone's on board,
like it knows, we all know the

913
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,199
story of the conspiracy sort of thing, I'm sure that then he doesn't need

914
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:30,520
to go on about it, you
know, you'd rather talk about, like

915
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:38,039
say, the solution. Yeah,
I feel has actually had some contact with

916
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:43,199
him, only feel Yeah, just
just briefly, UM met him once.

917
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,279
Uh yeah, great guy. Right, Um, I went to see him

918
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:50,279
in am to them once. Yeah, it's not it's not allowed to go

919
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:57,640
out of country at the moment because
him. Yeah. I mean, well,

920
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,359
it was amazing what the Netherlands did
you know, they you know,

921
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:08,159
they the farmers, they managed to
actually get the majority vote for the government,

922
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:15,119
so you know, yeah, I
mean the Netherlands. I just think

923
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:19,199
that it's hard to know what's going
on there, and it just seems like

924
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:25,600
you've got a government that's that conflict
with itself, you know. And but

925
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,079
you know, good people have taken
the reins again. Um, so hopefully

926
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,359
the band won't last for too long. You know, I'd be surprised if

927
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,800
it if you know, if it
isn't already in the works of being lifted.

928
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,399
But yeah, I think he can't. He can't lose Kenny at the

929
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,039
moment because it's just like if if
someone bans him, then like you know,

930
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,000
he gets more hits on his videos
absolutely, you know, like when

931
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:55,159
they tried to ban like London real
it became like the most viewed download or

932
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:58,439
something, didn't it between two people
talking? Yeah, I mean when you

933
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,239
think about it, or you're beaning
someone regard to a country to give a

934
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:03,560
talk to maybe a couple of few
thousand people out of the street, but

935
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,960
you banned them, but then you
end up they do a video and they're

936
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,319
talking to millions of people all over
the planet. Yeah, I mean,

937
01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:14,319
with with this the COVID thing and
that, you know, like I say,

938
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:15,920
it was just he just said,
he goes. The more they tried

939
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,159
to ban me, the more people
were searching me, and it's just that

940
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:20,600
he just can't They can't win.
I mean they can't even I don't think

941
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,800
they can even kill him, to
be honest with you, too many questions.

942
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,319
Yeah, yeah, he's just too
high profile. You know, he

943
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:30,720
said himself, didn't he that It's
the only reason why he thinks he ever

944
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,720
became famous before he woke up,
so that he was already a known figure,

945
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,560
so that love him or hating people
couldn't ignore him. So, yeah,

946
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,680
I was going to get on Ogan
show. He was going to you

947
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,840
know, have contacts that were going
to help him out because he was already

948
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,279
you know, he's already a face
sort of thing, and that's his journey.

949
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:54,199
I always felt that, like there
was a big difference between him and

950
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:00,079
me. For instance, it was, you know, he's skill set and

951
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:04,000
stuff in his makeup is that he
is great at talking to large groups of

952
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:09,600
people. Yeah. For me,
it was always I knew that, like

953
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,840
my skill set was like talking one
on one, I could tune into somebody

954
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,319
when I was with them, and
then I could help them along, you

955
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:25,560
know, and like apart from your
music policies. Yeah, although like you

956
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:30,800
know, obviously I wouldn't say that. You know, a few hundred people

957
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,399
have watched the videos on YouTube.
I'm not getting to speak. Yeah,

958
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:40,399
but you performed to a lot more
than that live yeah, live yeah yeah.

959
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,199
Yeah. So but like I say, the music was what it was.

960
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:48,720
It was me that wrote the lyrics
and wrote the songs, and if

961
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,000
you listen to it from a sort
of like infinite love perspective, you realize

962
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,359
that all the lyrics are about that
basically. So as we get towards the

963
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:00,560
end of the show, we'll actually
point to with in the right direction towards

964
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,079
pointing some of those videos as well. Yeah, that'd be great, Yeah,

965
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:08,640
because there's I do think that,
like as far as independent little bands

966
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,600
goa I mean, like they are
worth a watch. And if you're into

967
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,199
the kind of spiritual consciousness movement,
you know what I mean, like it

968
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,960
should you should relate to them.
Yeah, I think you you're quite in

969
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:25,279
the realms of getting towards the Pink
Floyd type of Would you agree with that?

970
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,560
What was it any assault? No? No, it's just yeah.

971
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,119
I mean one of the things that
people always said about Cosmosis was it is

972
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:38,119
fairly original. You know, obviously
it's got influences and stuff, you know.

973
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,520
I mean, there's that kind of
psychedelic rock, absolutely yeah, but

974
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,600
there's the acoustic thing there, and
I think I was a little bit influenced

975
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,520
by like nineties dance music as well, but like you know, but it's

976
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:54,000
all kind of their um and it
kind of is own melting pot is Cosmosis,

977
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,199
you know, it's like, yeah, it is what it is.

978
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:00,239
I think probably best for people just
to listen to it, yeah, because

979
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:01,760
a lot it's very different, so
a lot of other subtles out there.

980
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,319
Anyone wouldn't want any Pink Floyd fans
to sort of like, you know,

981
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,399
no, no, worst is what
I said. It's kind of it's not

982
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,760
quite the same, but it's going
in that kind of direction. You know.

983
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:18,239
I think if you like Pink Floyd, you'd like Cosmosis music. You

984
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:21,760
know, maybe not, maybe not
the other way around. I'll take that.

985
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,840
I think it's quite acceptable. I'll
tell you what though, you tell

986
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,520
me a story about the hasbat suit
people. Yeah, do you want to

987
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:40,159
relate that one? Yeah? Thats
so basically that was one of the only

988
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:45,479
contacts I've ever had where I had
no idea who they were. To be

989
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,520
fair, that was. It was
fairly round. I've seen some random UFOs

990
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,600
as well that weren't anything to do
with me, but this was a full

991
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,439
blown like meeting in a field,
I say, meat, I'll tell you

992
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,359
the story, but with people that
didn't know me and I didn't know them.

993
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:06,760
And that was when me and Ricky
were driving back from a place called

994
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,800
Brill Hill late at night. We
used to got there quite a lot,

995
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000
just sitting on our deck chairs,
like under the stars and talking and meditating

996
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:23,359
stuff. And we came back and
we were driving past a military base called

997
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:30,199
Graven Hill. It's a big logisticals
military base in Bista, and we were

998
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:41,560
driving past down the bypass roads there
and a big white star basically was off

999
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,199
to the right hand side of the
car, up in the sky but not

1000
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:47,640
very high at all, and it
was huge. I mean, it looked

1001
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,720
like a star, but it was
huge. You know, it looked it

1002
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,479
could have been easily At first,
I could have thought that it was like

1003
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,319
a helicopter like searchlights and you know, although it wasn't shining like on the

1004
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:01,920
car, but it was just it
was that bright whatever to look at.

1005
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,439
We so Rickie was there in the
car with me, and we was sort

1006
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,760
of like slowed down and we were
just pacing with it. It was a

1007
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:16,000
going over the fields to our right. It was it started coming sweeping down

1008
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,680
in altitude. It would fly along
for a bit and then it would just

1009
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:25,159
drop like drop down and carry on
going. And it was heading out to

1010
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:30,800
these fields off to the right,
and we stopped up because it went lower

1011
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,439
than the trees and it went into
the field, and so we pulled the

1012
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:41,920
car up and then looked across the
road and there was a public highway side,

1013
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,079
you know, one of these like
kissing gates, you know, let's

1014
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,119
go over into the field. So
we realized that there was a bit of

1015
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:50,720
fate going on there because it was
a bit nervous about going in, because

1016
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,600
I say, it's different when you've
got a relationship with people. With some

1017
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:00,720
of them was dangerous as far as
far as I'm aware. So we plucked

1018
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,199
up the courage and went into over
the fence into the field. And when

1019
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:11,000
we got into the first field,
they weren't The craft wasn't actually in that

1020
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:15,199
field. It was in the next
field along behind another tree line. So

1021
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:18,600
we waited ten minutes and we sort
of lost our bottle a little bit.

1022
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:24,279
To be honest, we sort of
decided to stop another fag and thought,

1023
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:28,039
we're just waiting to see what happens
here, you know. So we had

1024
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,159
a fag and we sort of stood
there kind of like excited, you know,

1025
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:35,319
obviously a little bit nervous as well, because I had no idea as

1026
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:40,600
to why this light had come down
into this field or anything. So I

1027
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,439
was a bit nervous about approaching it, but we had because it was still

1028
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,760
there. So we decided that we
would go up to the next tree line

1029
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:54,000
so we could get eyes on it
directly, and then we'd make our minds

1030
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:57,960
up whether we were going to go
into that field and approached the actual craft.

1031
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:03,159
But as we started walking across the
field that we were in, about

1032
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:10,560
twelve or thirteen guys were coming the
other way. They were wearing hazmat suits,

1033
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:14,920
so they advisors, and like,
you know, they were sort of

1034
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,520
kind of baggy. They weren't fit
tight fitting or anything. You know.

1035
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:24,560
They literally looked like hazmat suits,
you know, Mitchell and men. They

1036
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,680
were walking in a line that shoulder
to shoulder across the field. They weren't

1037
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,119
walking straight at us. We were
coming into the field from the side and

1038
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:39,000
they were walking parallel down the field, sort of thing away from the craft.

1039
01:18:42,279 --> 01:18:46,640
They stood there. This will happened
very quickly, so it was like

1040
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:54,840
we saw them. We froze.
I think Ricky like raised his arm or

1041
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,680
pointed or something at them. And
then one of them turned around, and

1042
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,880
when he turned around, the guy
was like nose to nose with me.

1043
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:09,279
He was it was I don't think
it was physical, you know, it

1044
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:12,600
was some sort of psychic projection or
whatever, but he was nose to nose

1045
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,800
with me. And I felt dread
and run through my body, and I

1046
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:23,439
felt dread fear before, and it
was it was. It was horrible.

1047
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,119
It was a really horrible feeling.
And he told me to f off.

1048
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:33,199
Literally in my head told me to
f off. And it carried this energy

1049
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:35,880
with it, like you know where
you were, you felt like, you

1050
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,640
know, I'm not going to be
told again. I'm going to be killed

1051
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:45,439
if I don't go. So I
turned round and I ran and hardly touched

1052
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,319
the floor. I just I literally
ran out of the field. I did

1053
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:56,720
notice eventually that Ricky was running with
me. We jumped over the fence back

1054
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,439
out into the road. We got
into the car. We drove a way.

1055
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,000
Then Ricky relayed to me, Ye
know what we talked, God,

1056
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:09,159
just what happened or whatever. And
Ricky said that he'd had exactly the same

1057
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:13,199
experience that one of them turned round
looked at him, and as he looked

1058
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:16,319
at him, he was like touching
nose to nose with him, and that

1059
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:21,760
the guy told him to go away, and yeah, that's that's it,

1060
01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:27,319
sort of in a short nutshell.
Um, yeah, but that was that

1061
01:20:27,399 --> 01:20:30,800
was a night out in this like
a Wednesday night out, you know.

1062
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:35,520
So yeah, but that you know, it happens, you know, I

1063
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:41,439
wonder if I'm sure it was completely
random. They had no idea who we

1064
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,600
were, or we were just in
the wrong place at the wrong time.

1065
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:53,760
I also genuinely think that there's a
possibility that they were something like to do

1066
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:00,439
with the government or something. M
Like. I have no doubt that there

1067
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:08,079
are secret programs running where we have
UFO technology, And I think that whatever

1068
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:12,600
reason these guys were doing, they
just weren't expecting us to be there,

1069
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:15,399
but they had some sort of ability, some sort of technology or something to

1070
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:21,000
scare us off. Yeah, it's
an interesting story though. It's one of

1071
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:25,439
those It's one of those stories that
leaves you sort of really puzzled for the

1072
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,680
rest of your life with you So
what was that all about? So I

1073
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,479
think I told you before that one
of the interesting things that came to me

1074
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:40,199
randomly about six months later was that
my wife's cousin I think he was.

1075
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:45,399
He's one of these guys that you
know, like he'd go out with like

1076
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,880
sort of four or five of his
mates and they sort of drive around listening

1077
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,000
to drum and bassed music and smoking
weed and stuff, sitting in cars.

1078
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,720
So I'm not saying he's the most
reliable witness, but that he told me

1079
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,960
it's unprompted, and I found it
interested. He said, Oh, he

1080
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,039
said the other night, he said
I saw something really odd and I was

1081
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:06,880
just like, oh, yeah,
what happened? And he said, I

1082
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:12,880
was So I was sitting in a
lay by overlooking Graven Hill, the military

1083
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,239
base, and I was like,
oh, right, okay. And now

1084
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:17,479
Graven Hill obviously it has a big
hill right in the middle of it as

1085
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:23,600
an old Roman it was a Roman
military base as well, and there's lots

1086
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:28,520
of stories of tunnels like going underneath
Bista and far Afield or whatever they go

1087
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:33,520
to this base. And he said, we saw the strangest thing. He

1088
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:38,159
said. We were sitting there as
about three o'clock in the morning, he

1089
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:43,359
said, and we saw white lights
going from all directions coming to the hill,

1090
01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:45,600
and then they seemed to be descending
into the hill, he said.

1091
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,279
And then we saw a couple like
come out of the hill and shoot off

1092
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:51,640
in different directions. He said.
They looked like stars, he said,

1093
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:56,760
but they were just coming above the
base and then shooting off in different directions.

1094
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:04,600
And I was thinking, wow,
because that completely like tallied with what

1095
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:10,600
we saw and that like I didn't
see that craft until we passed the base,

1096
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,680
and like my intuition was like telling
me that basically that craft had come

1097
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,720
out of the base. It was
possible that it like that. I was

1098
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,560
not saying, I know this,
but this is this is what feels right

1099
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:27,359
to me. That's what I think
I saw was a craft come out of

1100
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:34,399
that base malfunction and land in the
field just over the rope and everyone getting

1101
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:39,720
out of it. And I think
that we just were privy to it and

1102
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,760
that and that we shouldn't have been, because, like I said to you,

1103
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:49,600
I'd had lots of experiences and I'd
never had any problems with like surveillance

1104
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,119
or anything like that. But when
I saw that I had loads of JIP,

1105
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,000
I had load my phones were tapped, I had people outside my house

1106
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,760
side people taking photos of me.
Yeah, I had all sorts of stuff

1107
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:09,960
going on, helicopters following me.
There was definitely an intimidation program going on.

1108
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:13,199
Someone was letting me know that they
knew that I knew, and that

1109
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:16,119
I know whatever. I don't know
because no one ever spoke to me directly

1110
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:19,399
about it. No one ever came
up to me and said anything. It

1111
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,520
was. You know, they wouldn't
talk to me. I'd say some on

1112
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,359
the phones when I knew that they
were listening, you know, when I'd

1113
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:28,319
heard them talking on the line.
At one point tried to talk to them

1114
01:24:28,319 --> 01:24:32,600
and they shut up, but they
that was It was the way it was.

1115
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:38,119
So the surveillance afterwards, it just
made me feel like, oh,

1116
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,600
this is all human. This is
you know what I mean, This is

1117
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:47,199
this is all like something to do
with military or you know, like a

1118
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:50,800
government or whatever. It is beyond
the government, you know, if that's

1119
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:56,359
the thing, that it was something
more along those lines than it was just

1120
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,239
because I say, I'd been face
to face with with the others, and

1121
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:05,880
it didn't feel like that didn't feel
that scary, didn't feel threatening. There

1122
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,880
was a there was a threatening presence
about that whole thing. So yeah,

1123
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,600
that's that's pretty much that what happened
there. M hmm. What about you

1124
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,920
feel, well, did you have
any experiences as a youngster at all,

1125
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:27,000
all these kindible like like experiences.
Yeah, it definitely has some experiences as

1126
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,279
a youngster. Um you know,
Uh, they'd come into my room and

1127
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:38,520
stuff while I was like playing with
Lego and stuff like that. Um,

1128
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,640
So there's a couple of experiences like
that, and I just I just got

1129
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,760
familiar with them, you know,
when I was younger, and then you

1130
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,840
know, your peer group then becomes
you know, the people you go to

1131
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:54,199
school with and things like that,
and then you become more interested in in

1132
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:58,479
those people, and those people become
familiar each day, you know, rather

1133
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:03,960
than your quote unquote imaginary friends at
the time. And then I always remember

1134
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:09,199
one experience I had grown up,
when you know, I thought that I

1135
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:14,079
was like a family. There was
two two younger ones and two sort of

1136
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:16,680
older ones, and it's like,
can we stay and watch this one?

1137
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,760
And I thought to myself before like
a zoo attraction, what's going on here?

1138
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,880
And the sort of said, you
know, no, we'll come back.

1139
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,920
It's it's a long time before this
one gets exciting. I thought,

1140
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,760
what, I thought, nothing of
it, And then that was that experience

1141
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:36,880
where sort of it it died down
for me as a child. But then

1142
01:26:38,039 --> 01:26:43,159
obviously in later years I went on
to sort of have an experience with with

1143
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:45,960
with Dave. You know, I
guess when it kind of matters. When

1144
01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:50,119
the duster settled, you know,
you've you've got a good interpretation of of

1145
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:56,439
what life is, at least fit
officially anyway, and you know you can

1146
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,079
go on about your business. But
yeah, it's um, as Dave describes

1147
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:05,279
it, it comes in like waves
and um. You know you'll see UFOs

1148
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:10,279
and things like that. One of
the first things you do is always try

1149
01:27:10,319 --> 01:27:13,199
and say, well, is it
a plane? Is it? Is it

1150
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:19,159
you meteorite, astro or whatever?
And you know, once you quickly deduce

1151
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:23,159
that it's none of those things,
well what else can it be? You

1152
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:27,680
know, satellites, none of those
things. So I definitely think the UFOs

1153
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,800
and the crafts and stuff are very
much like a as much as some people

1154
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:38,600
can can can sort of take or
handle or deal with. I think that's

1155
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:43,119
enough for most people. And I'm
kind of shocked at how many people keep

1156
01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:48,479
it to themselves, m what they
experience throughout fear of being called crazy.

1157
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:54,800
The conversations I have with people about
it, you know, I like to

1158
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,720
ask people, what's the craziest thing
you've ever experienced? And you know,

1159
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,439
it could be anything that they they
tell me. It could be something crazy

1160
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:06,720
that happened on their street, you
know, with their neighbors or or something.

1161
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:11,199
But you know, eight times out
of ten, these people will go

1162
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:17,319
towards a aerial phenomena that they witnessed, you know. Um, So I

1163
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:20,680
do believe it. You know,
it's happening to a lot of people.

1164
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:26,960
I just don't feel that people are
in a position to even have the words

1165
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,159
to describe the feelings for something like
that, you know, let alone you

1166
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:38,119
know what people might think of them
when trying to describe it. But it's

1167
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,880
definitely I think when you have a
face to face experience, it's definitely a

1168
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,399
part of you that just has to
process that for a while. Um And

1169
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,439
it, like they've said, it
can it can play on your mind for

1170
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:55,159
for years and I don't think it's
over filled. Do you do you ever

1171
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:59,439
feel ever since that there is like
another you said about it coming in waves,

1172
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,000
And I feel like, you know, when we talk about the lull

1173
01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:04,319
and stuff. Now we've had to
sort of like, you know, integrate.

1174
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,399
We're getting on with our lives and
doing things and stuff and you know,

1175
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,800
taking care of the farm. But
I do feel like there's there's like

1176
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,520
this is all leading somewhere. Do
you have that sense that there is like

1177
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:20,600
there's another thing that's going to happen, that it's really important that we exist

1178
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,960
or whatever. Yes, I do
you sense that, you know? Yeah,

1179
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:31,520
I think there's definitely a much bigger
scenario going on around this activity and

1180
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:39,800
the storyline with that. It's vast, and the intricacies across that storyline are

1181
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:44,079
you know, they can make the
whole thing seem quite complex. But through

1182
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:48,800
many years of thinking about what I
experienced, I'm definitely off the persuasion that

1183
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:55,880
that's a lot of effort for what
just to discover that there's a species that

1184
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,399
we're not aware of. What the
newer phone narrative is really evolving at the

1185
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:02,880
moment, isn't it As far as
the mainstream media that goes and I think

1186
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,439
it's trying to normalize it as well. I think they might be building up

1187
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,880
for something that is going to be
really important, that there are people that

1188
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,479
actually do have a firsthand sense of
what's going on rather than just people that

1189
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,039
are watching the news and believable they're
being told. You know, yeah,

1190
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:23,000
absolutely, and a lot of this
UFO craft phenomenous stuff just didn't really drive

1191
01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:28,399
drivers like true when you're still having
a face to face experience with them,

1192
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,760
like why do you need spaceships when
you can disappear before my eyes? You

1193
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:36,439
know, Like what's that about?
You know? I think the other thing

1194
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,159
is that is I mean, if
we if we know their m at all,

1195
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:45,319
it's when it's like mainstream media and
government information. I mean it's basically

1196
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:46,600
it's fear based, isn't it.
That's where that's where it's going in.

1197
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:50,279
You can see that it's going to
be eventually, well we need more money

1198
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:55,279
for the military industrial complex or you
know, you you will need to lock

1199
01:30:55,319 --> 01:30:58,960
yourselves down more or whatever, because
the Yeah, I think throughout history that

1200
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,239
they've always used the miniltary industrial complex
as you put it, has always used

1201
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:05,600
it to drum up fear for more
funding, and I think they've just got

1202
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:10,199
a framework for that now. I'm
not disputing that there isn't isn't crafts.

1203
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,520
There is crafts or whatever that have
been discovered and that they're tangible and you

1204
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,920
can reach out and touch them and
stuff like that, But like how did

1205
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,640
they exist? I don't know,
like, you know, were they even

1206
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:27,760
built in a factory? Like not
a human factory. You know, it's

1207
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,359
it's just it's a trouble name.
We've got so little solid information on any

1208
01:31:31,399 --> 01:31:34,880
of this stuff, and the characters
seem to be they're peddling the information out,

1209
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,600
you know, like it just my
intuition just tells me they're a little

1210
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,640
bit dubious. You know. I'm
just not particularly trustful of them. No,

1211
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,920
you think if if the news was
going to tell the story the way

1212
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,359
it actually is, you know,
they would it would sound more like the

1213
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:57,000
Bill Hicks Absolutely wouldn't it said that, you know, was it? You

1214
01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:00,640
know, Paul finds out today that
we're all one thing experiencing itself subjectively in

1215
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,960
an infinite amount of different ways.
There is no death, be afraid well

1216
01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:09,520
love you know, It's like they're
not going to say that on the news.

1217
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,399
You know, it's always just going
to be oh my god, there's

1218
01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:16,359
a US because fear it gets the
attention. And yeah, yeah, yeah,

1219
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:20,079
I do think there's a bigger scenario
at play, and there's there's you

1220
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:26,159
know, there are other people having
you know, very legitimate experiences. There's

1221
01:32:26,199 --> 01:32:30,560
one chap I always think back to
called James gillie Land. Oh yeah,

1222
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:38,039
in Seattle Way by Matt Shasta.
Yeah. I always really appreciate the work

1223
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:41,640
that he did, you know,
And there was a documentary with Danny Dyer

1224
01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:46,960
which I don't know that documentary just
when Danny Dyer went to the you know,

1225
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:53,640
gilly Land ranch and was almost annoyed
for having two traits all around the

1226
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:58,399
world, you know, meeting these
people that claim to have had some kind

1227
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:02,560
of experience and you know, just
just a hoax or whatever, you know,

1228
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,279
got enough in to show for it. Really, Then when he gets

1229
01:33:06,279 --> 01:33:09,680
to James gillie Land, it's almost
like a pilgrimage. It's like, I

1230
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,720
ain't I've been going half around the
world, I ain't seeing UFOs and this

1231
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,039
is the way James gilderlands. So
chill about like you're okay, Like Danny,

1232
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:19,840
You're having a hard time there,
you know, so, oh,

1233
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,680
you know, I'm sure you'll see
one tonight. And then there was a

1234
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:28,560
bit there there's a meditation session they
do um beforehand, and it was just

1235
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,520
it got Danny Dyer to feel very
uneasy. We always used to do meditations

1236
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,800
and stuff, didn't we. Yeah, we definitely about their energies before things

1237
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,439
would happen, you know. Yeah. And then that's that seem line with

1238
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,000
sort of Stephen Greer as well,
and it he does that kind of the

1239
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:47,079
idea that they should be meditating to
create this sort of See five. Now,

1240
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:50,399
don't get me wrong, I do
like Stephen Greer, but I do

1241
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:56,880
just feel that, like James gildie
Land, it's less sensationalized. You go

1242
01:33:57,039 --> 01:34:01,880
there, it's not sensationalized, and
it's it's a very real experience, and

1243
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,159
it's it's the interactions with the crafts
that get me. You know, Yeah,

1244
01:34:08,079 --> 01:34:11,159
how you can they can shine a
big old green laser at it and

1245
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:15,920
then the cool craft itself powers up. Now how many times we had that

1246
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,319
film? Yeah, No, I
was just going to move on to that,

1247
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,359
you know, with with people who
haven't seen. I mean, it

1248
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,720
was just recently I was with a
friend and I thought, screw it,

1249
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,439
I'm going to show him a UFO
And then you know, we went out

1250
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,800
for a SkyWatch and lo and behold, without fail, one turns up.

1251
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,920
I said, right, guys,
let's debunk this. Is that a plane?

1252
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,520
No, it's not any plane.
We went through it list, you

1253
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,319
know, eat all the list to
try and de bunk it. And then

1254
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,399
I said, we can't really the
bunk it, can we? I said,

1255
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:46,199
now, but this is the weird
part. I said, you can

1256
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:49,560
ask it to do things and it
does it for you. And I said

1257
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,800
to my friend, I said,
I said, what do you want it

1258
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,760
to do? Do you want it
to the land? Or is that a

1259
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,279
bit much? I said, what
about shine up right? He goes,

1260
01:34:57,319 --> 01:34:59,880
yeah, I get it to shine
up right, And before he could finish

1261
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:04,680
the sentence, it already shined up
like massively, like just bright light and

1262
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,000
the sky like just wasn't like that
previously. And funny enough, Dave,

1263
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,359
that was heading towards Graven Hill at
the time. Okay, yeah, you

1264
01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:17,359
could see Graven Hill in the distance
and that was heading and they've opened up

1265
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:21,119
Graven Hill recently. Yeah, yeah, I went up there. You can

1266
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:25,359
walk up there. Now a lot
of dubious buildings up there were no doors

1267
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:29,159
on it. It makes you ask
more questions really, But then they shut

1268
01:35:29,279 --> 01:35:33,279
it down because too many people were
going up there for some reason. So

1269
01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:38,239
again, these things could be happening
on were so limited in our understanding of

1270
01:35:38,279 --> 01:35:43,920
what dimensional of what dimensions are and
stuff. You know, obviously it's possible

1271
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:49,640
that these things are happening on a
slightly different frequency. Yeah, now you

1272
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,279
see the Dave this in a way, this kind of comes back to the

1273
01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:59,720
point that we were talking about earlier. Right, So so somebody could maybe

1274
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:04,279
write he say, oh, well, Dave's wife's cousin sitting in a car

1275
01:36:05,079 --> 01:36:14,359
smoking weed. You know, Um, they're just druggies right now. Is

1276
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:18,159
it possible that like someone else would
have been driving down the road that night

1277
01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:23,279
through Bistera and they wouldn't have seen
those crafts. But the very fact that

1278
01:36:23,319 --> 01:36:30,760
he's sitting there listening to a form
of music that entrances you smoking marijuana,

1279
01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:35,560
does it allow him to see m
hm? You know, like that's you

1280
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:40,279
know, these things will become like
you'll never really have an answer for that.

1281
01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:43,279
I can't. I do believe that
happens, So I do believe that

1282
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,920
some people do actually see things that
sort of over their house or whatever,

1283
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:51,640
and they are the only one that
everybody in that car was seeing. Yeah

1284
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:55,880
right, but of course everyone in
that car was smoking weed and everyone in

1285
01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:00,560
that car drumming bass music or whatever. But it's quite straight they will be

1286
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,199
seeing the same thing, isn't it. You know? Yeah, So it's

1287
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:05,319
like so it really begs the question, like, you know, like we

1288
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:10,600
don't know enough about reality to make
judgment calls on what other people experienced.

1289
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,560
You know, we haven't got a
clue. I haven't got a clue.

1290
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,439
If this is a simulation, then
what tell Then tell me what's not possible,

1291
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:21,199
Jenny. You know, if I
was playing a computer game, I

1292
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:26,600
wouldn't walk in that computer game and
go, oh that's impossible. Oh look

1293
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,960
there's a thing flying now that's just
disappeared. That can't happen because you know,

1294
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,000
you're playing in a computer game the
rules or whatever the programmers and like,

1295
01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:38,119
of course, like if we're in
a similar or be a more sophisticated

1296
01:37:38,199 --> 01:37:42,000
version of that, then I'd like
to know who it is that knows what

1297
01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:45,199
is and isn't possible, you know, just I don't know wouldn't be that

1298
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:51,079
bold. Certainly don't know that that's
what we're doing here, and basically this

1299
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:55,680
is what we're trying to learn from
each other exactly. Yeah, everyone's got

1300
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,960
a bit of the puzzle, you
know, everyone's got a bit of puzzle.

1301
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,760
And of course we're putting the story. Yeah, not as much making,

1302
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,600
but you're putting the story out there. So people listening out there maybe

1303
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:11,399
suffer or suffering or experiencing something that's
going on in their own lives and listening

1304
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:15,239
to you could help them in their
own way, you know. You know,

1305
01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:21,239
I was sitting earlier thinking about this
today and I want to look into

1306
01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:25,560
it. It's not something I know
about, but I do feel like there

1307
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:31,119
should be some sort of experience or
support network exists. I don't know if

1308
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:36,319
there is. If there isn't,
then I think that I'm going to I'm

1309
01:38:36,399 --> 01:38:40,359
motivated to try and do something about
that. Yeah. I think there are

1310
01:38:40,399 --> 01:38:44,399
one or two kinds of things on
Facebook, and you know, you know,

1311
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,520
whichever way you look at Facebook,
but I do believe there are a

1312
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:51,079
few groups if you like on Facebook
do that type of thing. Okay,

1313
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:56,600
I think probably you know, there's
as big a help as that is things

1314
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,560
like these podcasts, because that definitely
helped me a little while ago, this

1315
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,279
podcast and realized that I was like, hey, okay, okay, there's

1316
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:06,640
lots of people going through you're not
doing you well, yeah, you know,

1317
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,680
and just the fact that you provide
the podcast and that just that is

1318
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:15,840
a reality. That's a reality that
twenty years ago didn't exist, you know.

1319
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,359
And so there's all part and parcel
of some sort of evolution in this

1320
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,600
narrative. And there's a lot out
there. I mean, look, I

1321
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,800
mean this is quite a big one, I knowing this goes out a lot

1322
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,199
of worldwide, but there are a
lot of smaller ones out there that just

1323
01:39:29,239 --> 01:39:32,000
have like small groups. But they
in their own right. Yeah, they're

1324
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:35,239
doing their own thing in their own
right, So they're still helping people,

1325
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,319
that's right, I think it is. And everybody in their own ways relating

1326
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:42,039
to different aspects of it, you
know what I mean. Obviously there's some

1327
01:39:42,079 --> 01:39:45,600
cultural differences, and we know that
people in China and Mexico and they're all

1328
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:53,520
having they're all having experiences, you
know. But obviously it's difficult for me

1329
01:39:53,760 --> 01:40:00,680
at this level to to relate to
someone from Beijing. You don't speak the

1330
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,319
same language. More likely. I
always wonder about that. You know,

1331
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:06,479
when this show goes around the world
with people are sort of listening to us

1332
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:12,560
and they don't understand the word of
English, does it get does it get

1333
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,720
translated somewhere else? It won't be
the first time I've been miss misunderstood.

1334
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:23,840
But I mean, I think they're
luckily there's a lot of people in the

1335
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,960
world that do speak English, so
we do. We do get quite a

1336
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,920
big audience. So that's good.
You deserve well, you know, it's

1337
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:35,680
good. As as I said to
day before, I've probably told yourselfil I

1338
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,479
never expect you to be doing these
shows. If you'd have asked me five

1339
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,399
years ago what I've been doing the
radio shows, obviously what No, never,

1340
01:40:44,279 --> 01:40:46,640
you know, it's just I mean, this he's been my vroid.

1341
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:51,359
It's been I've been leading to doing
these things and something I never thought of

1342
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:55,840
doing. So there you go.
And it's kind of I mean, I'm

1343
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,800
not saying I'm helping you, but
I'm saying it's kind of brought me together

1344
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:00,720
with a lot of people, and
I've met a lot of interesting people that

1345
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,479
I probably never would have met,
and I never would have spoken to you,

1346
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:09,439
no doubt had I not been doing
these shows. So you know,

1347
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,560
that was after the experience I had
last time we spoke with the UFO above

1348
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:17,800
the house. It definitely made me
like, Okay, there's there's something about

1349
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:24,159
Dave because I you know, I'd
spoken on another podcast, but nothing like

1350
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:30,079
that happened. That that happened.
I'm creepy now. And I felt like

1351
01:41:30,199 --> 01:41:32,960
as if for some reason, I
was more fluid with you as I was

1352
01:41:33,319 --> 01:41:39,760
able to speak. You know.
Yeah, It's just like and I was

1353
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:43,760
like, okay, you know that
this is this is the right thing to

1354
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,399
do. I felt about the day. This is the right thing to do.

1355
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,720
I need to do, I need
to speak. Yeah, I have

1356
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,600
to say. I do find that
I do. I do find I met

1357
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,840
good connections with people we are like
yourself. I feel good connections with you.

1358
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,439
I feel good connections, we feel
women had a old conversation on the

1359
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:05,720
phone, and you know that's what
I get out of it. I'm sort

1360
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:12,479
of my life is getting enhanced by
talking to people like you and feel and

1361
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,199
many others and all the great music
you keep being centers and the music.

1362
01:42:16,279 --> 01:42:19,640
Yeah, thank you, thank you
for that. And right we must mention

1363
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:26,039
that right people out there on YouTube, there's a Cosmosis it's c O S

1364
01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:30,239
m O S S. If you
check out that, I think, is

1365
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:33,000
that the only sort of label that
you might have to find that music?

1366
01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:40,239
Though, just just to be aware, there's there's two cosmosis is Now.

1367
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,239
I was going to ask you about
that because I found that and I thought,

1368
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:45,399
is that the same band or is
that another band now? Because obviously

1369
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:51,000
they're kind of artwork looks similar to
ours. Yeah, again, that you

1370
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:55,199
know, of itself is very interesting. Maybe they are being influenced by in

1371
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:59,399
the same way, but like,
yeah, they're like an Israeli kind of

1372
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,640
dance band. Well okay, we
were getting like people from Israel following us,

1373
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,159
and we was like, why,
what's what's going on there? But

1374
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,840
I did come across some of those, I thought, is that the same

1375
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,920
band? Because I know you're not
in the band anymore. Um yeah,

1376
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,439
but obviously so no, you've you've
clarified that. So I should people careful

1377
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:20,720
now if I think if you if
you went on to YouTube and typed in

1378
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:26,920
Cosmosis video, yeah, that is
that our channel is. I think it's

1379
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:33,319
just called Cosmosis video. So and
then you should see sort of uh you

1380
01:43:33,399 --> 01:43:36,760
know, pictures of me with long
air on the front. But I know

1381
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:42,399
I've seen that obviously the ones that
they've sent me, quite a few links

1382
01:43:42,399 --> 01:43:45,800
to the to the videos, and
I really become a fair actually really good

1383
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:53,000
stuff. So I sort of anyone
out there that kind of likes pink fluidy

1384
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:58,760
type music, I want it too
far down that road, but it's it's

1385
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,359
along that that's type of rup.
But obviously it's got a lot more meaning

1386
01:44:01,399 --> 01:44:05,359
with some of the songs, and
I really like them a lot. Anyway,

1387
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,840
Yeah, you can pay me later
day for it. Thank ye,

1388
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,560
better go then, David. Yeah, it's been fantastic having you're both on

1389
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:24,600
you and feel um maybe we could
do this again in a few months ago

1390
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,359
though, Yeah, you left to
keep me in touch with what's going on

1391
01:44:27,399 --> 01:44:30,439
in your lives and if anything be
got trastic happens, you left, you

1392
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:34,439
know. Yes, Yeah, definitely, Dave. I mean I do feel

1393
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:39,840
that there is going to be there
is more coming, Yeah, because just

1394
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:44,359
recently, like I said, ever
since I started talking to you, like,

1395
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,920
I definitely and I found myself my
life has become a little bit liminal

1396
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,800
recently, which I've noticed that's a
kind of good thing. That's the kind

1397
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:56,199
of thing. Um. But I've
got a feeling that it's all cranking up

1398
01:44:56,399 --> 01:45:01,199
somewhere. There's there's there's reasons for
it all feeling that you know, every

1399
01:45:01,239 --> 01:45:03,840
time I turn on the news at
the moment, there's a story about UFOs.

1400
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:08,000
And yeah, there's been a lot
of bit likely with reports and things

1401
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,520
and whistleblows and if you could believe
the whistleblower stories, but there you go.

1402
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:15,680
So the fact is is that it's
it's where it's happening, you know,

1403
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:19,920
whether whatever narrative it is or whatever, misinformation whatever, but the UFO

1404
01:45:20,039 --> 01:45:24,359
thing is kind of happening. I
fear they're not. They're not quite taking

1405
01:45:24,359 --> 01:45:26,800
the mickey out of it. Now. Oh there's I used to over the

1406
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,560
years. I mean somewhere obviously something
more to come, you know, there's

1407
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,520
there's more to come. And also
I've got a feeling that you know,

1408
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:38,039
if they you think about it,
so you think, if most people's reality

1409
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,560
judges what they see, you know, if like the idea of that actually

1410
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,760
believing is seeing not the other way
around you, then like obviously if they

1411
01:45:48,399 --> 01:45:51,640
reason why maybe a lot of people
don't see these guys and the UFOs is

1412
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:57,279
just because most people don't believe.
Yeah, but of course if the official

1413
01:45:57,399 --> 01:46:00,760
narrative becomes that they do exist,
people start seeing them more on mass in

1414
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,960
it it goes into the mass martin. If you like that they're real and

1415
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,520
they're here, then I've got a
feeling it. At that point the doors

1416
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:15,000
open for my guys too. It's
easy for them to come here openly early,

1417
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:19,000
be seen by large amounts of people
because they can accept the reality.

1418
01:46:19,399 --> 01:46:21,840
Yeah, I think that might be
something that's going to happen. Yeah,

1419
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,800
that would be amazing. Yeah,
it would be nice to be there,

1420
01:46:26,199 --> 01:46:29,960
you know, so you know it
might be interesting time ahead. David.

1421
01:46:30,399 --> 01:46:32,760
Yeah, lets hope, so I'll
be I do agree with you that something

1422
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,439
is going on. I do wish
we were living closer. I'll take you

1423
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,439
out for a beer or so,
but we're actually quite a few miles apart.

1424
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:44,399
On we all of us, all
three of us. But you never

1425
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,319
know. One day we're still rain
something. Get together somehow, be nice.

1426
01:46:49,359 --> 01:46:53,600
But I guess we'll leave it there. Thank you, David, Thank

1427
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:58,560
you Phil. And as I say, maybe we can do it again sometime,

1428
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,960
but please stay in touch and and
take care of yourselves. Cool right,

1429
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,760
you take care of yourself. Cheers, thanks, bye, bye,

1430
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:13,039
bye, there we are. That
was Dave Hunt and Phil Graham. Thank

1431
01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:17,039
you Feathers. That was fantastic,
really enjoyed it well. The next show

1432
01:47:17,239 --> 01:47:21,119
is going to be on July the
twenty fourth and it's going to be about

1433
01:47:21,279 --> 01:47:27,000
crop circles with a bad named Gary
King, who's quite well known in the

1434
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:31,840
field accidental pun there so a should
be looking forward to that one as always.

1435
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,840
If you like to get in touch
with me before then, my email

1436
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:40,880
address is David Young took you in
at yahoo dot co dot UK. That's

1437
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,479
David Young took you in at Yahoo
dot co dot UK. So until July

1438
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:49,479
the twenty fourth with Gary King.
I look forward to speaking to you then.

1439
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,920
Take care of everybody, and thank
you for joining me. I hope

1440
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,960
you'll join me agay, Bye bye. Parnormal Dimensions it's as bright and powerful

1441
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:02,479
as our celest. You will star
this up and although it's expending thousands of

1442
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:08,159
pounds of energy every minute of the
day, have no fear. There's plenty

1443
01:48:08,319 --> 01:49:13,039
left m h. Paranormal Dimensions is
fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.