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two of you are beginning a strange journey, a journey that no earth people
have ever undertaken before. Now, whether you consider me a devil or a
Saine, it's unimportant. What is important is that you're here on this spaceship.
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm David Young and my instruments
already, I've got two fine guests today for this particular show. This particular
show is called Dimensional Travelers, and my guests of Phil Graham and Dave Hunt.
They are ex members of a band called Cosmosis, and they've had some
very unusual experiences which they will be telling us about. And you'll find they
have a wonderful outlook all life. So I take great pleasure and welcome me
Dave Hung and Phil Graham to the show. Hello Dave and hello Pheel.
Welcome to the show. All right, are you right all you? Dave?
Thanks for having me. It's absolutely great to have you both on.
As I think I was just saying this off here, we should have done
this a couple of months ago, but things that will quite work out.
But now great to have you both on. And I'm people listening to this
show. Now you're going to hear some amazing stories. I've spoken to Dave
at length quite a few times a few times now, and he's got some
amazing stories to tell. Now, Dave, you're actually in a band called
Cosmosis. I know you do a lot of solo stuff. Now a lot
of what happened to you was actually when you were in the band, is
that right? Well, to be fair, like, um, my experience
is really a lifelong if you like, the band was a act of the
experiences, you know. But as it turns out, like I say,
the experience has been happening to me all my life. I had a sort
of trigger experience about twenty just over twenty years ago, and that's when it
sort of became conscious for me of what was actually going on. Before that,
I just thought that I didn't really know, to be fair, at
the time, I didn't have any concept for it. So I just knew
that there was strange stuff going on, and obviously beings in my bedroom and
all that kind of stuff. You know, I didn't know there was no
context. And then I don't know if you want me to get into it
now, but yeah, sure, I mean we could just sound out to
feel as well. I mean, feel, where do you coming to this
story as well? Are you actually connected with though as far as this goes,
Yeah, that's a good question. I guess. You know, you
have lifelong experiences and you don't really know what's going on to build on what
Day was saying. And then I met Dave maybe early two thousands, and
i'd obviously met him when he was sort of well on his his sort of
journey, and they've helped helped me come to terms with the things that I
was experiencing. So yeah, no, it was just I couldn't imagine doing
that on my own, you know, like trying to piece it together and
try and figure out, you know, it must have been a very daunting
experience. So I guess I come in sort of probably midway through David's journey
with Perhaps we'll get to that. Perhaps we can build the story from Day's
perspective and then get to where you entered the story. Phil was probably the
best work technically, this isn't there. Yeah, let's do it. It's
also I mentioned that Phil was also part of the original lineup of Cosmosis as
well, So yes, I actually didn't know. I actually didn't realize that.
Sorry, my apologies. Phil. That's right. There are some YouTube
videos of us all playing some of the original songs, oren't they feel like?
Yeah, yeah, yeah you And I'd tell you who I saw a
photo of the other day, Dave, Tony Betty remember Tony, Yes,
yeah from the from the open Mic notes. What a legend that guy was.
Absolutely yeah, if I so, if I yeah, I'll explain to
you if you like, I think it's true for a lot of experiences that
they have like a a trigger experience, if you like, yeah, where
like before that it was kind of like semi conscious, you knew something was
going on, and then after that it kind of conceptualizes into the fact that
this is a contact experience that you're having with and I don't even want to
I don't want to say aliens. I don't want to say just with these
other people, yes, because I know, I know when I've spoken to
you before, you you don't really know what it is, do you know?
I know you don't sort of label aliens straight away? No, And
I've never claimed to um like I know what they have said to me and
stuff, and I know, like personally I swing sometimes on like how I
feel about it, but I've never claimed to like that I absolutely believe what
it is they've said to me or you know. One of the things I
really kind of wanted to talk about the day was this idea of kind of
identity politics, if you like. There's obviously there's a lot of chat about
that at the moment. A lot of experiences are going through this where they
they're struggling with their own identity because of the experiences, and a lot of
that is to do with like obviously people asking like why me, you know,
why is this happening to me? And if you're only semi conscious of
what's going on, then of course that's a big question. But a lot
of people that are having more sort of fluid conscious contact of being told stuff
about themselves, which you know, can drive you around the bend, to
be fair if you careful. Yeah, So I know my trigger experience was
about twenty one years ago because I just had my first daughter and at the
time I was boxing and the night before i'd cracked a rib. I didn't
know at the time, but I basically i'd cracked a rib. So I'd
gone to the hospital the next day because I just I couldn't I know how
painful days. Yeah, you know, it's as bad as a break,
you know. Like, So anyway, I'm going to Bambary Hospital and I'm
with my wife and my daughter, who was at the time about three months
old, and we're coming back through a small village called Ano. And so
what happened was I was sitting in the back of the car with my daughter
and my wife was driving, and she called my attention to the fact that
there was a silver disk hovering in the sky above the car. Now,
I was sitting in the back of the car, so I had to lean
right through the seats, but it was it was just just above the car,
and we were on a long straight road that goes through the village and
it was basically just above us and ahead of us. We drove. We
carried on drive in. She was panicked. I was a bit panicked as
well, but like but in a way I don't know, had this sort
of sense of excitement and an entry, and then it just seemed to blink
out of existence. It wasn't there anymore. And we carried on drive in
and there wasn't until we got back to the house that we realized that we'd
lost about forty minutes of time and like so, and this is when things
started to go strange. So I became absolutely fixated on the UFO phenomenon.
I had this weird sense in my head that well, so basically as far
as we were concerned, when we drove back, we saw the UFO right
above the car. It blinked out of existence, and that's all we knew.
I started to have a memory in my head of another thing happening that
my wife didn't have. Now it kind of was making sense to me because
the experience that I remembered in my head was that she was out cold.
She was stood next to me in this craft, and so was my daughter
in her baby seat in from the car. She was just on the floor.
But they were both like like you know, like just they weren't conscious.
They would My wife was stood there, but she was not awake.
It was strange thing to see opposite me were free people. They looked human,
but they looked better than us, if if you know what I'm saying.
They just had better skin. And they were all like, you know,
classically handsome. And one of them was a woman and she she was
beautiful. And they were talking to me. I had not telepathics either,
like absolutely just talking out their mouths and I was hearing them, and I
didn't have anything to say myself. I was just kind of stood there,
just listening to what they were saying. And that was the memory that I
had in my head. And it was messing with me because my rational mind
was saying, that didn't happen. Well, all that happened was we saw
the UFO. But I knew we'd lost time. But in my head I
had a memory of what had happened in the in the lost time. I
kept dreaming about it. It kept playing over and over in my head,
and basically I just from then and that was that was the conscious start of
my journey if you like us going, Oh, I'm in experience, so
this is happening to me, and there's a reason why it's happening to me,
and they'd explain to me during that why it was happening to me.
And yeah, I don't know if you want me to get into that,
Yeah, sure, yeah, please do. I mean I was, as
I say, you've you've spoken to me about this before, and I think
it's actually quite critical that you do told the full story. Really Okay,
Yeah, so for first I want to say that like you know, not
claiming, but like I just said before, like you know, just because
they said this, I'm not I'm twenty years later, I can't say,
hand on my heart, oh I believe this is true about me whenever,
or I'm somehow better than other people, or just like I understand that.
Yeah, it's not that at all. I mean, you've never really seek
tried to seek fame from all this anyway, You've actually been the reverse.
You tried to stay away from it. Or yeah, yeah, I wanted
to stay authentic to my own experiences and like I didn't want to sort of
like I don't know and not that I blame people for trying to make a
living out there anything burgess, but that wasn't what it was about for me.
It just seemed more personal, you know, it was it was it
was just my life basically. Um. So, the guy in them,
there was three people stood there and the guy in the middle, he was
telling me basically that I was part of a program and that he was me.
Right, So he told me that he was me and that we have
an overlap of egos and that the only reason for me being here was for
him to operate in and out of this reality. And I had no I
no concept of what that meant at the time. It was just sort of
like it made it didn't make any sense. It was it was completely alien
what he was saying to me. I was just like, well, I'm
I'm Dave. You know what I mean. I don't know, I don't
know what you and I don't really know what you mean. But I wasn't
saying that at the time, to be fair, I was just there kind
of dumbfounded, just absorbing the information that you were saying. Um. But
he was saying, yeah, basically that I would feel him and that there
would be more contacts and also he said that there were other people that I
was involved with in my life and that I would be involved with, and
that basically part of the program was to help people wake up and like realize
their part in the program and all this kind of stuff crazy. Absolutely,
at the time I say I was, I was out of the army,
I was boxing, I was fairly physical guy. I was not long haired
hippie or anything like that. And I became one that was strange a lot
of people to think about the army, you end up like that, yes,
right, yeah, you know. Um now, so I struggled,
Like in the months that followed, I literally must have read nearly four hundred
books on the subject, and I like, you know, it's like you
read one book, you think, oh, I think I might have a
handle, and what's going on here? You read one hundred books, do
you think, Oh, no, actually, I haven't got a clue what's
going on here? I just went down that rabbit hole. I knew my
wife she'd seen a couple of UFOs with me, because it kept happening in
the months afterwards. But it's weird. It's like it wasn't affecting her,
but it was affecting me, you know, and I was dreaming about them.
I was thinking about them twenty four to seven. I kept experiencing the
feeling of this guy, and it's I can't it's hard to describe. Like
so I'd get a sense of presence, but it would be inside of me.
It wouldn't be like someone behind me. It would be like someone inside
my head. And then I would feel like an elevated sense of consciousness and
awareness. And it was like it wasn't like I'd left the cockpit. It
was just like someone was coming in, sitting next to me in the cockpit,
and they were looking at people and telling me information about them. And
sometimes and I'd find myself talking and it wasn't me. I couldn't really remember
what I'd said. It was like I was talking, but they were using
me as a mouthpiece. It's funny enough, And this is kind of like
later on, that's where Phil comes in, because I definitely had that experience
with Phil. So when I met Phil, I basically there was times when
I was just streaming them to him. They were wanting to talk to him
or convey a message to him, and I was basically just out of the
way. Just there letting them talk to him through me and obviously and then
eventually a facilitated contact with Phil as well to push him on. Obviously they
for some reason they want him on his own journey as well, So yeah,
I could pass it over to Phil to be fair from there, Well,
the good thing is this is what kind of what authenticated, see the
fact that you can back each other up with these stories, you know.
Yeah, and then to be fair like Phil's not like I say, there
was a number of people involved, and Phil wasn't the only one either,
So there was there was a time period where it was having contact with these
guys, but with a number of people that I knew, and Phil knows
that as well. We weren't the only ones. It was. It was
interesting, Yeah, yeah, wasn't it. Yeah? Absolutely, I can
bass everything you just said. I can just relate to through all the different
stages of your journey, you know, all the different feelings and stuff.
Yeah, and Dave absolutely helped facilitate an experience for myself sometimes sort of late
summer two thousand and twelve, And yeah, it was just a tremendous experience
going from not knowing that these things exist to in a moment, there's absolutely
no denying it. And that was a really great experience. I mean it
was terrifying, but not for like the reasons that people might think, you
know, it was terrifying because us as a people had had even missed this
or it's been somewhat covered up, you know, to an extent. And
I wasn't scared by the presence of the sort of the people in the experiences
that I had, um, not at all. And yeah, the fear
field really comes more about having to live here, doesn't it. I mean,
that's the thing it's about. It's about it's about having you know,
I'll say there was I believe there was a part of us, all of
us involved in that that we're happy to accept the reality of these other guys.
It was a real privilege, But it was more about the fact that
it was there, then having to wake up the next day and walk around
in the world and know that you were It's like you knew that you were
going to be ostracized by by society, you know what I mean, because
people. I mean, I think obviously there are a lot of people that
are having this experience, and that's why we're talking here today. Hopefully,
and there's people listening that are going through this and can just know that they're
not on their own, you know what I mean. Everyone's contact has a
slightly different flavor. I think that's on purpose, But ultimately there are similarities
because there's an objectivity to what's going on, So there are going to be
similarities to what happened to other people. And like I said, and I
watched how hard it was for everybody, and it wasn't to say it wasn't
the actual contacts that were hard. It was it was it was the living
afterwards. It was hard, and how to integrate that into a healthy way
of existing. Here, there's a part of you that's you see these guys
they have they definitely come across as having a higher state of consciousness. In
the presence of something like that is so exhilarating, But afterwards there's like it
can be depressing, and that there can there can be it can be quite
depressing to sort of like then go back to like interacting with people that are
like feel like they're just asleep to you. It's hard, you know,
obviously you don't want to judge people and stuff. You can't judge people on
what they haven't been through or I don't know, but it is hard.
It is hard, and you start to feel alienated yourself, you know,
And I can understand why it is that, like the contacts happen and then
there's large gaps where they don't happen, and it is to do with your
own well being, I think, to be honest with you, Yeah,
definitely, yeah, yeah, and I think that, you know, I
was one of the things I was shocked at is how many people in close
proximity there were to each other who having these experiences, like you know,
it seemed like we all gravitated to a town and yeah, like all met
each other. There seemed to be music involved, and I think that's quite
regular as well, isn't it. The creativity is involved with with with this
kind of state of being? Absolutely? Yeah. Did did Dave tell you
that last time I spoke to him? So I hadn't seen a UFO for
quite a long time. And then when I did the podcast with Dave the
other month, I walked outside, it looked upstairs and sorry, looked up
into the sky and there was a light sitting over the house. I remember
you saying, yeah, yeah, and it's just and I sort of looked
up and I had an immediate connection and I thought as them And as soon
as I did that, it flashed three times and shot and then it turned
out. So the next day I told my daughter about it, said,
oh, I just did a podcast last night, you know, I tell
her about it. She went, no, no, no, no,
she she was with her cousin that's just down the road. She said,
we saw that. She said, we saw it. That just so happened
that my daughter saw it as well. So just you know, these are
the sort of things that just kind of twist your melon if you like.
Yeah, but I must point out this was another show that I do.
I can't mention on this show because there's a little bit of bad blood between
the networks. But so okay, so we want to talk about that.
But so, yeah, but it was a fascinating show, I must admit.
But unforese you've ever spoken to Phil really and because we had a long
conversation when I think Phil felt he couldn't come forward at the moment at that
time, do you remember when? But yeah, I think you feel better
about things now, feel was that correct? Yeah? No, just just
had some things to take care of um before I could sort of start talking
about it, so um. But yeah, I think it can be very
difficult kind of to speak sometimes. I fully understand that. Yeah, I've
definitely struggled with that in the past, like you know, where, like
I said, when I was doing when these guys were doing things like talking
through me to people and stuff, it'd be fine. I've been a complete
fluid state of consciousness, you know what I mean, it would it would
just I wouldn't even know what I've been saying for the last hour. But
then you go into a normal situation where you're not involved in the program with
people, and I couldn't even utter the words out of my mouth about what
happens. I just couldn't say it because because I'm not insane, and I
know how insane it it sounds, you know. And I'd literally have people
asking me, oh, you know, have you ever seen a UFA or
anything, And I'd be like, oh, no, no, because I
don't know, because it just wanted to deny, you know, I just
wanted to that kind of worms. Yeah, there's definitely a part of you
that's like, right, I must be mad. And then you know,
when when you don't get that validation from the world that you are mad,
then it becomes quite difficult to process, you know. What happened? Definitely,
yeah, nice, definitely as it's been a struggle, like you know,
say, with this identity thing, because it's not the only time and
that that happened. If you don't mind, Dave, I'll tell you another
story, please do. Now. Phil wasn't there, but he'll remember it
happening, and I'm glad in a way that he's here because it's such a
you know, it's difficult to again, it's it's one of those things difficult
to set aloud with a straight face. But it happened. So I was
with m guy called Ricky and we had full free d contact, if you
know, for one of a better word in my front room, and I
remember a small amount of it, but that Ricky was actually kept awake for
the whole thing, where I was actually put to sleep by them. Now
I'll explain, to cut a long story short, what happened. They walked
into the front room and me and Ricky were both meditating. We had two
sofas and they were like in an L shape, and he was sitting on
one cross legged. And I was on the other cross legged, and we
would meditate. Now they obviously that we came out of it, saw them
one when it sat next to Ricky on the sofa. Another guy came and
knelt down in front of me on the sofa I was sitting on, and
there was another guy who was directing it, or who stood up in between
the sofas. Now that the guy that was stood up who was directing it
all, he was the same guy that was in the craft when I was
coming through a you know, and so I was sat there. The next
thing I remember, I was waking up out of it. And I'll tell
you from Ricky's perspective. He said that what they did is all of a
sudden, like they made me close my eyes. They laid me on the
sofa, and the guy that was on the floor, he was running a
light underneath my body backs and forwards. Ricky telepathically asked what they were doing,
and they said that they were keeping me healthy. They said that they
said I had an unhealthy lifestyle and they needed to maintain my health, and
therefore they would quite regularly do these kind of like energy balancing. I don't
know what you'd call it light work or whatever. I had no idea about
it, because I say, I was out cold when that happened. And
then Ricky noticed that the guy that was stood up looked a lot like me,
And as soon as he had that thought, the guy turned around him
and telepathically told him that he was me. So again I had this second
experience with someone else involved, where this guy keeps telling people that he is
me and that he lives obviously in another reality and not. Don't really think
these guys are coming from another star system or anything. I'm pretty sure it's
more like like the way I talks about realities being like radio stations. Yeah,
we did talk about this before lock an interdimensional thing. I'm pretty sure
that if I mean that word obviously doesn't really clear up any mysteries. But
no, of course it doesn't. Know. It's really surmising, aren't we
sure it's more like that, you know what I mean, that they're literally
traveling in frequencies rather distances. And he but he told him the same thing.
He said. He said, Oh, that's because I am him,
he said, so, he said, basically, he said, like he
even now this is a weird thing. He told him that he said that
there was a swap done at birth, that when I was supposed to be
born it was done then that there was um so it's hard to explain best
that So interestingly enough, when I was born, my mum said that all
the way through her pregnancy she was going to call me Paul, right but
when I was born, she said, they both looked at me, my
mum and dad and went, oh, no, he's not a Paul.
His Dave would call him Dave. So they called me Dave right then my
sister years later, I had a boy and he was called Paul. And
he's always been like a son to my mom and dad, Like, you
know, he had the same interest as my dad, played golf, was
into diy and he was like he was so close to them that they always
said to me, you know, he's like the son we never had.
Was that an insult or it was strange? I think, yeah, Like
because they always said to they never understood me, you know, they said
I was a strange child and stuff. But I found that interesting that I
knew of that at the time this happened. But then when this guy explained
to Ricky that I'd swapped, I'd made an agreement with someone else to swap
places and he would come through later. It made me wonder whether it was
actually my nephew Paul. You know, you know, these things possibly could
work, but it's there's a possibility there. And again I'm not saying I
know that for a fact or that I can't prove it obviously, but it's
just one of those intuition things. It feels like, well, after what
this guy said and after hour felt it just felt like there was a possibility
that that was the case, you know. But yeah, just just another
one of those strange things that basically, like all my life, I've sort
of like or since this has all happened, just consciously, I basically walk
around, um it's too and froing about my identity you know. Does that
make sense? Yeah? It does. I'd like to know, like and
I and I honestly believe that this is true for a lot of people that
a lot of experiences when you scratch the surface with them, they will have
this sense that if you talk to them enough and they'll sort of say,
oh, yes, and I've had contact and all this sort of thing,
and you can talk to them about it and stuff and then if once you've
got that trust built up, in that rapport and you sort of say,
well, do you do you feel entirely human? A lot of them will
admit to you that no, actually, I honestly believe that I'm an alien
living in a human body. And I'm like, ah, okay, I'm
glad you said that because that's how I feel too. And I'm not sure
exactly you know what that means? What does it mean? I still you
know, I have to go to work, I go to the toilet and
do all the same things, and you know, lose my temper sometimes,
you know, I feel can attest to that, but like, you know,
but it's still there. It's still there as an identity crisis. It's
like, you know, you're living going well, I don't. I don't
feel like I belong here. I don't feel like I don't feel entirely human.
You know, people always treat you a little bit strange, as if
on some subconscious level they they sense there's something about you. You know,
Um, it's difficult, and I you know, if I know, Fiel
won't mind me saying, because we've discussed it before, but I'm sure that
Phil can relate to what I'm saying too, because I'm pretty sure feels in
the same boat as me. I'll hand that over to feel now for that
bombshelf, now you're all feel Yeah, that definitely happened what they've described with
Ricky. You know, I'm just I was so shocked at how many different
experiences were happening over a short period of time, you know, over at
that time period, whether it was a rookie or Dave, myself and other
people who I'm not sure if they want to be named, but there was
a lot of people. You know. Yeah, we won't name anyone on
this. Yeah it's not really necessary, but yeah, that's what so um.
But you know, there was just a vast array of different experiences that
was going on. And you know, we get together and go camping various
different places and stuff like that. And I think wheelchair was was a hot
spot during the summer about this time of year, and you know, we
saw some pretty pretty pretty tremendous things there as well. There was there was
a crop circle, um, which I found quite amazing because I don't know
about you, but I didn't see how that thing was made. It just
appeared open night. That's interesting. And we were there all night, so
yeah, we had a vantage point of it. Yeah, and there was
as the helicopter went there in the morning, they were sitting over it.
Yeah. Just a lot of like cool things like you know you look back
on you just think, wow, that was one of that was one of
the greatest times in my life, you know, one lot of but and
ye find it very exciting to be fair, that was an exciting time.
Yeah, yeah, it was. And just just just all the different adventures
you know that we seem to end up on just as a friend group,
you know, I know, you guys went to like Glastonbury and stuff,
and there was you know, we were always at wheelchair and places like that.
For the solstice. Um, just soaking landscape. You know, if
you haven't been, it's a tremendous landscape. It definitely does something to you.
Um. But yeah, just following onto what Dave was saying about,
you know, trying to live a normal life. And yeah, there's there's
definitely two sides of you. Um, one side you have to keep it
sort of normal, you know for people that want to keep it normal,
and then like this other part of you that's you know, conducting this lifelong
mission maybe. Um. It it was like and it you know, that
side of you doesn't make sense to a lot of people. Um, they
can't figure out a lot of your motive. You know. I've had many
people over my life try and question my motive and just it doesn't make any
sense to them. But to me, it makes perfect sense, you know.
Um. And there's just a lot of similarities between what Day was saying
that, you know, just surrounded by plausible doubt, but it can still
very much relate to um a lot of what you just said there. You
know, it's hard for me to get into because I'm not not quite far
along than in this is Dave, So I don't know sort of too much
about my myself on a deeper level just yet. But yeah, and I've
I've had to be careful with that as well, like obviously just to jump
in there, feel but it's just like you know, when I've known things
about people, I've had to be really careful. It's a it's a balancing
act, you know. Like sometimes when I'm talking to people, I'll be
having other information coming into my head about them. M hm, yeah,
that was Yes, I have to be so careful because I don't because there's
you know, especially if once you know that someone trusts you and they believe
what you are saying to them, then you know you have a duty of
care to not you know, to not twist people's heads, you know,
because I have to assume that if you were something you need, you were
supposed to know that, you know that you would know it exactly. And
sometimes I wondered, why is they tell me stuff about people? It's not
kind of none of my business in a way, you know, do you
do you think that you're going that Yeah? So yeah, the way that
you can read people from your experiences, yeah so yeah, so it's definitely.
I wasn't sure whether like I was psychic or whatever, but I to
me, it's a completely natural I've learned how to shut it down. Actually,
that's that's what I've had to do more so as I've got older.
That's probably the hard part. Once you turn it on, you feel like,
oh, yeah, this is amazing, and then you know, turning
it off is I'm just at the stage where I've learned to turn it off.
But it wasn't easy, and you begin to learn to filter as and
when you need the information about people and you someone's like that Spider Man quote.
You know, great power comes great responsibility, So you just try and
maintain people's privacy and stuff like that, you know. But one of the
funny things is these days is not so that period that we were talking about
with feel and everyone one else. The actually finding these days that I'm not
really guided to many people. Um, it's an interesting sort of lull,
you know, Like now I'm living a very you know, I'm not say
I'm not going to apply to you guys, you know what I mean,
Like, you know, but I'm just living a very mundane light. Um,
I don't you know, there's nothing crazy. I mean, I'll say
there's nothing crazy again I ask. I do see UFOs quite regularly. It's
not crazier though, and I do I have to I don't have had a
little bit of contact recently, to be fair, but it's very far and
view between you know, and and they did tell me once that, um,
there is there's a lot of energy involved in making the experience into the
fact we when we have like full on face to face contact, there's a
lot of energy involved in that. Yeah. So yeah, while it's when
it's not necessary it's just basically telepathic is a lot easier. Um. So
I received more telepathics now than anything. Um And plus it there at the
time that went so after the period where me and my wife were taken on
board the craft, there they were they were actually actively trying to bust me
open. You know, they needed me, they needed me to trust them,
and they needed me to act on their will. So they gave me
no option but to have to believe in them. If that makes sense.
Yeah, Well, now that we're in this situation where I know they exist,
I know, I know they exist. Yeah, you crossed that line,
don't you. Yeah, we don't need to we don't need to do
what was happening there, if that makes sense. You know, like,
um, you know phone calls enough. You know, it's like it's that
there was reasons for that ripple that happened like that. You know, they
dropped that pebble in that pond to all the people around me and affected a
lot of people. But then once it was done, it seemed to be
that it was done, you know, like that, And these days I
never like get like, oh, this is someone you need to speak to,
or this is you know, you're you're about to this guy's waking up
or whatever, the work or whatever. You know, it's like it's not
happening. It's not happening anymore so, and I sometimes felt like, and
again this isn't something we've said, but it's something I've felt. If I
wonder sometimes whether actually it's getting harder and harder just at this current state in
the game, because if the world feels like the frequency is dropped a bit
and things are getting a little bit in some ways are getting a bit darker
and a bit lower, and I've got a feeling that that is making it
harder for the energetic leap. For contact. I think there's a lot of
UFOs being sitting and obviously people are having contact. But yeah, exactly,
I know what you mean. Some ways things are looking darker, but also
in some ways people are actually awakening not as well to to what's going on.
I feel I feel like there's there is like a massive awakening going on.
Yeah, but you know what I mean, feel where it feels like
as if the people, a lot of the people are waking up now are
kind of like where we were in yeah, like twenty ten um, but
it's like they're angry. It's like that old I said. You know,
the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
You know, there's a lot of people out there, like you know,
protesting, getting into looking at conspiracy information, you know, and getting kind
of angry about the prison that they're finding themselves in. Um it's like a
long journey in different stages to it. Yeah, it is. And then
of course eventually it's almost like if you go back to the stage of like
normality, you know, like you're you're you're aware of what's going on everything
else. You've become normal again. It's like the Buddhas saying, isn't it
you know, like at first it's it all changes, you know, a
mountain is not a mountain anymore, and then eventually a mountain is a mountain
again, and you do sort of come back to like, oh, okay,
this is my new normal, you know what I mean. But it
is just normal. It's I go to the shops, get the groceries.
You know, I've put petrol in the car and go to work. You
know, it's just you. You're just doing everything you were doing before.
I do sometimes find it funny when I look at people were like, you
know, just say hi to people, and that's just sort of thing I
wonder, you know, it never occurred to people, you know, when
I'm still behind them in a queue or anything, you know that they're not
thinking. I wonder if that guy's walked around with aliens and been on board
spaceships and they're not thinking that, are they when they look at me?
You know what I mean, it's just like, you know, I haven't
got a million quid for it or anything like that, so I just like
must look pretty normal. I think we also point out, I mean,
the opinion the music business for the world for quite a lot of years,
and I would like to say that it wasn't drugs or stuff that was involved
in all this, was it. Now that's an interesting question, right,
No, drugs weren't mainly involved in these contacts. But there is a stigma
attached to like the idea of people saying, well, you know that if
someone did drugs, and that completely invalidates everything that happened. Now, if
you went to Africa and Shamans and that kind of thing. I have I
have drunk Iawaska, you know, and I have tried the MT and I
have tried. I've tried lots of different drugs. To be fair, I
wouldn't never claim that's not the case. But like you know, people don't
look at those shamans and sort of go ah, bloody druggies, you know,
they just they go no, no, no, no. These guys
are taking substances that have opened their minds up into other dimensions that these these
the usould take with lst things. They actually opened your mind, didn't they
to what was really going on? Yeah? I see, I found I
tried to make contact happen through taking drugs I did, you know, I
was open to anything I would try. But what I tend to find is
that if I took like magic mushrooms or LSD and stuff like that, it
would just it was too chaotic. My mind was too inebriated from the actual
substance, if that makes sense, to have a clear you know, like
experience. I did smoke mariana for quite a long time, but I don't
think that anyone. I don't generally find that if people say, oh,
they smoked weed, that they they started going on board spaceships and stuff.
Me. So I think it's it can be a little bit of a kind
of cop out just to sort of say, oh, you've done drugs,
haven't you, So therefore this completely invalidates what you're saying. You know,
It's like for me, both things are true. It's like I had experiences
all my life well before I ever touched drugs or anything. But it's also
true. I won't lie to you. I was in a rock band,
you know, for a long time and stuff, you know, and I
and I had touch drugs. Um, But that it's not the reason why
I had these experiences. No, No, I do understand. That's why
what they'll bring it in a case people they are thinking maybe called because you're
in a rock and roll band, or if you want to call it a
rock and roll band for what were better too. Yeah, it's um.
Yeah. The people often you know, immediately think oh, he's been on
the drugs or drinking and stuff like that. But that's that isn't the case,
and that's going to be that that's going to be true enough for some
people that they're going to they can turn around and it's lovely because it's a
it gives them a plausible denial. They can just turn around and say everything
that guy is saying is totally invalid because like you know, he smoked weed
or you know he did ecstasy or whatever. Yeah, And it's like,
yep, that's fine, And if that's how you feel about it, obviously
they that's fine. But all I can tell you is from and I hope
that it comes through with the way I'm talking about it now, is that
I am I do know the difference between being drunken sober YEA or high and
so well no, I know that if I did point that out, that
you would be able to highlight that and and separate the difference and sort of
explains what the differences are which you've done. And I think also like as
far as I could, you know, if you wanted to day, we
could do ten shows and I could bring a different person on every show who
would tell you what the experiences they had with me. Yeah. Right,
you're a challenge. And you know, I'd love to see someone explain that
away as the fact that I smoked spliff, yeah, because I just don't
think that it holds up to scrutiny. You know. Well, I'm just
writing down all those dates for you, So Okay, that's how that's where
I stand. I wouldn't like to say I never did drugs. I did,
I didn't know. I understand that also you had. We had to
bring in David Hoddren Hodrien into this because he did quite a lot of research
into you. Well sure, I don't know if I should rephrase that.
He did actually do a lot of researching at you, um, and he
found quite a few very interesting things to back up a lot of what you're
saying, isn't he right? Yeah? Yeah, I like fat. In
fact, we did actually mention because I did a show with him a couple
of shows back, and we did actually talk to you about that talk about
you on the Yeah, I listened to that. Yeah, yeah, like
Dave you know. And there is a video on YouTube with him. Um,
there's a few where we as the band, we went up and did
a talk at boot Fog And also there's a YouTube video of him talking at
the Swansea ufhone network. Um. I think it was called the Bister abduction
case, and he was talking about my case basically, you know, and
all the all the different aspects of it. Yeah, I know, I'd
say I know that Dave's busy guy, and obviously he probably gets people coming
to him every week, you know, with a with a new contact experience
and stuff. So it's hard to guy to keep in touch with. But
but yeah, for for a while there he was, he was, he
was on my case. But he's a very thorough guy actually, to be
fair, you know, and he does check out everything you say. It's
one of those guys that he'll come back to you and say, oh,
you know you said that you know, the moon was full, so I've
worked out it was this date or you know that sort of thing was right
you said it wasn't. Oh yeah, yeah, he's very good at that
sort of thing, you know. And he was very interested to to come
to the actual spots as well. Like you know, if you told him
about something that happened, he wanted to be there. So he would drive
down from Birmingham and say, right, to take me to this field,
you know, take me to take me to these woods or whatever, take
me where this happened, you know, like he was. You know,
I think the report that he wrote about this case, I'm sure he said
it was in the hundreds of pages. Yeah, I've got some of it
actually, but he said to me, so I've got all of it.
But I've got some of it. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty comprehensive to
say, like, you know, it's a big organization and he's running there,
so he's onto the next one and away he goes, you know,
like a yeah, it was a good guy. Yeah, I'll do I'll
do respect what he does. You know, it was a good show with
you. Actually was about two ls, I think. Yeah, I film
wasn't involved in any with anything with David, was he? Yeah? Sorry,
sorry we're talking to you in the in the in the well, I
should be speaking directly to your field. Were you involved in the Yeah,
I was involved in the report, And yeah, that was a year or
so of investigating UM on and off various different things. And like they've said,
it was Dave was very thorough about things. He was constantly coming back
to verify things. So I just submitted an eye witnessed testimony and just sort
of just verified things that I experienced. Really, so, yeah, there's
I'm in. I'm in that report as well. So I wonder what happened,
Yes, I thought, I thought, yeah, I thought for a
minute, yeah, yeah, I can't actually remember what was actually in the
report? Was your name mentioned in it? Then yeah, I was mentioned
or was it just as a person that a witness my name was mentioned for
it? Um and I I just gave a eyewitnessed testimony about what I experienced,
UM and and my sort of m what's the introduction experiences as they've described,
you know, the first sort of face to face contact as an adult,
it's very different when you're a kid. You know, you just think
everyone experiences it, and then it sort of stops happening, and then I
think once it happens to you again as an adult, it's very eye opening,
you know, and and just seeing them interact with the world is pretty
pretty funny, you know. UM, it's um, it's it's very very
surreal um And it can take a long a long time to come to terms
of that. So yeah, I just at the time, I just kind
of was very shell shocked and just sort of you know, wrote down what
I witnessed and just sort of gave it to Dave. But for me,
that that experience, that's that's sort of fully in the report was it was
very much like Dave was saying and before, it takes a lot of energy
for them to be here, so they were they were if they can just
sort of along and just slotting that last puzzle piece for you. And if
that's them coming and standing face to face with you to validate everything you've ever
learned, you know, in questioning the world you're living to speak, they
just come along and go, yeah, no, it's all true, isn't
it crazy? Like take a minute, we know it's fine, you know.
And the intelligence that I experienced was from them was wow, it was
it was it was something else, you know, um didn't really seem to
have a direction in time that they subscribed to, Like we can really only
have memories of the past, and they seem to be able to have memories
of the future and things. And yeah, just so are you of the
same opinion as though, So maybe they were in a dimensional creatures for what
about a word? Yes, obviously I don't know. You know, I
probably have more questions now than you know, than what I did in the
lead up to that experience. But yeah, I'm of that persuasion. That's
my current school of thought. There is some kind of interdimensional species. I
think cryptozoology is very lazy in this day and age. I mean, who
am I to stumble across this? And yeah, you know, the finest
minds, you know, to struggling to to sort of piece this together,
and that that's really worrying, that that scares me. And you know,
part part of even just doing this sort of podcast is because I just think
it must be very daunting for people that can't piece this together or have a
reference point. So you know, it's just very vital to try and bring
some of the finer nuances of the reality if if you do so, happen
to experience phenomena of this nature. But I'm very much of that persuasion.
They don't. They're interdimensional species that don't really seem bound by space or time,
and because of that, they operate, their perceptions operate very differently.
And my interpretation of it is, well, what I witnessed is they can
disappear before your eyes. They can see things in the future just before they
happen. They can seemingly read your thoughts. You know, one expression I
took away from that first experience as an adult was, you know, we've
all heard the term you know, I can tell what you're going to say
because of the look on your face. You know, it was like they
could tell what I was about to think. Because of the electrochemical imbalances that
were occurring in my brain and could basically give me answers before I could even
form the question in my mind. I mean, you can't, you can't
really turn that off after that. And that's I guess what Dave and I
were trying to explain a little bit earlier, you know, being able to
turn that off. You know, I would say that us as a species,
we all have that ability. We perhaps see it in married couples are
in love. You know, they're on the same wavelength they know each other
of thinking. And I think the love part is a very important part because
you know, part of the difficulties of sort of experiencing something like that and
then you know, trying to come back to normal society is that people people
people don't seem to love each other like these people do. You know.
It's and it's like, yeah, it's it's very different philosophies, you know,
and the physics of how it all works. I mean, well,
I've been looking into it for a long time and again not really, none
the wiser just discovered things. And from what I've understood, science is is
um is slowly playing catch up to these these principles, and you know,
it could We've seen the NASA press conferences. You know, I don't really
know what the UFOs are and things like that. Um well, I'm sure
they know more than they let on. But yeah, yeah, I guess
you can certainly really go by what's being said publicly and then just hold them
accountans it's proven not true. Um but yeah, it's it's been quite quite
the experience. I think that they would say, fields well, it's not
about like that they're like gooder or better or whatever. It would just sort
of like say, oh, it's just this is the truth. I mean,
like, you know, we we love each other more because that's the
truth. You know. It's like it's like it's like the fact that we're
all one thing is the truth. It's not it's not a kind of like
a better or worse situation, is it is? And like you know that
when people are trying to improve themselves or whatever and you'd find out they can't,
it's it's it's just the fact that they just are more in line with
the actual truth, isn't it. You know? Yeah, And I say,
if it turns out the actual truth is there is no time and space.
That's right, that we are living in a form of illusion, you
know, and that we are all connected. Of course, if we all
walked around with that as the truth, we would definitely behave differently and feel
more absolutely. And I've obviously had you know, call it, for lack
of a better term, conversations with them in a way where you know it's
done telepathically, for lack of a better term. Yeah, I say one
of the driving factors of why we live the way we live is probably the
modern economy and the scarcity that it promotes deeply, and I've spent a lot
of time thinking about this, and yeah, I'd say that's probably one of
the driving factors. I mean, if you get into that sort of like
you know, like things that kind of things that Ike would say, is
that that's all been done on purpose to that very end. Yeah, it's
the whole system is set up to keep us separated, isn't it is to
keep our state of consciousness busy on the farm, worrying about paying the rent,
you know, worrying about this that the other, and you're just you're
just too focused on survival to be thinking about the truth. And I think
it's also true of telepathy as well as Obviously telepathy is not some magical thing
the idea that all our brains are connected and that they can decode. I
mean, like, even when you're listening to someone audibly and you're basically decoding
frequency through your ears, aren't you that then decoded in your mind, you
know, into words? You understand? That is effectively what telepathy is.
I think that most people's minds are so scattered and thinking things that they would
rather other people didn't know that. That's why we're not fluently telepathic with each
other, right, because we hide ourselves from each other, you know.
That's we have to because because of the way we are, you know,
because we're just everyone's worried that everyone would be offended if they told them the
truth or if they you know, like responded in a natural way to things
that shown that, like we just not mature enough to be telepathic. But
when you're in the in the presence of these guys, telepathy is absolutely natural.
Yeah, you know. And then they also have a look when they
look at you, is that they understand that your mind is you know,
it's it's not there or whatever, so they don't mind that you think things
about them, you know, and that you're you're being offensive or whatever.
Sometimes you can, you know, you can have a knee jet reaction,
you know, I mean, I don't think this or whatever. And of
course, like you're you're thinking, it's just but they know that they're mature
enough to go. Yes, we know that you're plays out, you're thinking,
you know, look at this guy or look at his eyes or whatever.
You know, you're doing all this stuff. You know, what would
you do if I attacked him? You know, all that they're thinking.
They can see all that. You know, they mature enough to hear it.
Whereas obviously most normal people if you like, you know, if we
were if they could hear your thoughts, you know, we'd all end up,
you know, punching each other's heads in time. Can I just added
one more thing in absolutely, just because there was something you were saying earlier,
Dave about so I think it was when you call them creatures, just
to let you know they would what their take on it would be okay,
Because they've explained this to me is that they consider themselves to be human.
They say that it's us that are the hybrids, right, Yeah, So
that the reason why they look like the better looking than us is because they
are. They told me that they are what they consider to be like pure
humans. Well, I was actually going to ask you, is there anything
visual that you've got to go with the theopathic passages? And you're kind of
just answering that now. So yeah, it says that they they think that
we've got like a like a form of like kind of mixed DNA with other
species and that's what leads to some of our like, um, bizarre traits,
you know, and stuff that our aggression, our territory being territorial,
being greedy, you know, these kind of things that we are torn between
two animals basically, So have they given you any inkling yes, or while
we're here and where we came from? Um A part it's going to sound
really like, uh, you know, lovey dovey sort of thing. But
they do genuinely believe that, like the whole universe is based on unconditional love,
and that the only reason we're here at all is not to gain money
or power or you know, there is only one game in town, and
that is to align with love and make there is only one game in town.
Now, they've always suggested to me that there's this is a form of
illusion, like a dream. But they said, but it's a real dream.
So they said that, like they said, don't get into that state
of mind where you go, this is all none of this is real.
They said, it is true that obviously it's not as it appears to be.
It is true that your mind is decoding frequency patterns and stuff and turning
them into reality. Yeah, he's turning them into streets and cars and people
and stuff, and that things aren't as they see. Science is back this
up. Now. There's a professor from the University of West Sussex called Annual
Seth, and he did a dead talk where he demonstrates this, where he
where our minds are basically hallucinating reality and like you know, what we call
a collective delusion is reality for all intensive purposes. And there's demonstrations that he
does live on stage quite phenomenal that demonstrates that very thing, you know,
how our minds are constructing it. The thing the danger I think with that
can be is obviously it could lead to a form of nihilism where you sort
of think, well, there's just no point, you know, there's no
nothing's real. So therefore it doesn't matter why I do, and it's you
know, there's there's no moral imperative. But they're saying that when you dream
something, that the dream is real only because of its source. Right,
So the source on this smaller level is you. You know that you are
the dreamer, so you're the real thing that dreams the dream. And they
said that basically for you know, I wish we had different words to describe
all this thing. This was the dream of God, and that because God
is real or this unconditional love, this one that is absolutely real. It's
the only thing that's real. So when it dreams, the dream is real.
But it's a dream. So it does matter what you do. It
does matter who you are, it does matter how you conduct yourself, and
it you know the fact that you're not who or what you think you are.
The world isn't exactly what you think is. It doesn't mean give up
on life. It means a line with the truth. Just seek truth and
the truth will set you free. I mean, yeah, yeah, by
David, I don't know, but I thought that David like a lot,
as you know, and I genuinely believe that there's that, you know,
so I recently just read one of Mike's books, The Trap. Yeah,
great book, and I hadn't read any of his stuff for years, you
know. And and again it really affected me to read that. I really
needed that book at the time. Yeah, I read it, and I
just recently I've been i found myself in a very liminal space. I've just
changed jobs. I think that that book actually makes you realize a lot of
things, that it is very awakening. No, I would suggest anyone out
there listening to this read The Trap by David Like, because it's a fantastic
book and it will make you realize a lot of things. So I was
about two two thirds of the way through that book, and it gave me
an a genuine experience where all of a sudden, I was I went outside
for a fact, because I've been reading for a while. And then I
stood there and then I had what some people would refer to as a reality
crisis. I just I knew that nothing was real. And then it hit
me really hard, and I was stood there and it was It wasn't an
intellectual knowing. It was like an experience, you know. And I was
listening to my partner talking in the house, but I could read her thoughts.
At the same time, I knew, I knew there's subtext of why
she was saying what she was saying, what was really going on inside of
And then I projected across town and I could see my daughter talking, which
she confirmed the next day was exactly what she was saying, and where she
was where I could see it well, and I was. Then then what
happened was it got too much very quickly, and I felt this like genetic
fear just hit me like that. It was like as if I could have
escaped reality. That's how it felt. It felt like I was, Oh,
I'm in control here. I know everyone's mind is one. I can
read anybody's mind. I can see I can take myself wherever I want to
go and see what's going on there. And it was happening. And then
all of a sudden, fear just hit me. And I've realized that fear
is the it is the gatekeeper. It just came in like a brick wall
and went bull stop, just stop, you need to ground yourself. And
I actually what I had to do then for the next sort of five minutes,
so it was I had to winge and I found that winging made me
feel real again. I think we all have will have a winge every there.
And then I realized why it is that some people do wins all the
time, because I think it's like it's like it's like they're grounding themselves all
the time. It holds you in in the matrix, if you like,
if you just keep winging and making other people into enemies and other you know,
others, others, it just makes you feel real. But if you
start loving every single person around you unconditionally, yeah, very difficult. Sometimes
you're just you could vanish, you know, you could. I think you
could go home anytime you want, but you would have to turn and just
go I want to go home, and you'd have to fall in love with
love unobtrusively, absolutely one. You could go. You could go anytime,
because it's not real. You're not stuck here. Like I said, it
is a trap. But the real secret to break in the trap is to
realize that there is no trap. You're not actually in prison. Its just
it feels like you are, and there is a prison, like an illusory
prison set up, but you do have the key, yeah, and you
can free yourself at any time and that's these guys have always talked basically in
line with Ike. I'd having experiences with them before I red Ike. But
like I said to you, before, after I'd had the experience with these
guys, I was having like Ike's books fall out off bookshelves in front of
I was having My wife came home from the library and going, oh,
I just brought all these books I saw on the side because they were all
fifty pe a piece and it was like children and the Matrix David I.
It was. That was happening all the time. I say, well,
a good price because something I was going for quite a bit of money there.
Well, yeah, that's right. Yeah. And then even with even
with this trap recently, you know, my partner, like it's not often
that she will, you know, would listen to what I was saying and
then buy me something that was like you know valid. I go through the
post and she said, I brought that book for you for the trap because
you were great on that video. Yeah. I've actually got the audio version
of that as well. You know, look through what's it called. There's
an audio book library thing. You can go on him doing it, isn't
it talking? Yeah? I see him doing it. It's actually brilliant.
Yeah, I've listened to it about three times apart from reading the book as
well. There's something about he does carry an energy then he does. Definitely
I've met him, but I've spoken to him and in no in no uncertain
terms of the crazy like the media tried to portray him. Yeah, he's
a very last person. That's it. I wonder what sometimes where there's like
I know we spoke about this before, but on a slightly more on the
contact level. It's something that he doesn't often get too deeply into. If
you notice that he will talk about the fact that he's having these like interdimensional
experiences. Someone in the room that was kept you know, talking to him
more. Yeah, it doesn't harp on about it all the time. Yeah,
but there he obviously is a team there somewhere that are supporting him.
Yeah, and I would it wouldn't shock me if, you know, if
they were a similar team to the same people that were talking to me m
and like, you know, and I just I don't know, but like
no one's actually ever said anything, but like it's just the fact that it
all just seems to be the same kind of it's got the same energy about
it, the same kind of overall message. But the guys with me,
they didn't talk too much about they don't talk focused too much on the conspiracy
that it is just a solution that seems to be more interested in pressing on
me. I mean, I totally see why it is that David I talks
about the problem because a lot of people do need to know what the problem
is, you know. Yeah, I'm sure that if he was sitting there
with him and everyone's on board, like it knows, we all know the
story of the conspiracy sort of thing, I'm sure that then he doesn't need
to go on about it, you know, you'd rather talk about, like
say, the solution. Yeah, I feel has actually had some contact with
him, only feel Yeah, just just briefly, UM met him once.
Uh yeah, great guy. Right, Um, I went to see him
in am to them once. Yeah, it's not it's not allowed to go
out of country at the moment because him. Yeah. I mean, well,
it was amazing what the Netherlands did you know, they you know,
they the farmers, they managed to actually get the majority vote for the government,
so you know, yeah, I mean the Netherlands. I just think
that it's hard to know what's going on there, and it just seems like
you've got a government that's that conflict with itself, you know. And but
you know, good people have taken the reins again. Um, so hopefully
the band won't last for too long. You know, I'd be surprised if
it if you know, if it isn't already in the works of being lifted.
But yeah, I think he can't. He can't lose Kenny at the
moment because it's just like if if someone bans him, then like you know,
he gets more hits on his videos absolutely, you know, like when
they tried to ban like London real it became like the most viewed download or
something, didn't it between two people talking? Yeah, I mean when you
think about it, or you're beaning someone regard to a country to give a
talk to maybe a couple of few thousand people out of the street, but
you banned them, but then you end up they do a video and they're
talking to millions of people all over the planet. Yeah, I mean,
with with this the COVID thing and that, you know, like I say,
it was just he just said, he goes. The more they tried
to ban me, the more people were searching me, and it's just that
he just can't They can't win. I mean they can't even I don't think
they can even kill him, to be honest with you, too many questions.
Yeah, yeah, he's just too high profile. You know, he
said himself, didn't he that It's the only reason why he thinks he ever
became famous before he woke up, so that he was already a known figure,
so that love him or hating people couldn't ignore him. So, yeah,
I was going to get on Ogan show. He was going to you
know, have contacts that were going to help him out because he was already
you know, he's already a face sort of thing, and that's his journey.
I always felt that, like there was a big difference between him and
me. For instance, it was, you know, he's skill set and
stuff in his makeup is that he is great at talking to large groups of
people. Yeah. For me, it was always I knew that, like
my skill set was like talking one on one, I could tune into somebody
when I was with them, and then I could help them along, you
know, and like apart from your music policies. Yeah, although like you
know, obviously I wouldn't say that. You know, a few hundred people
have watched the videos on YouTube. I'm not getting to speak. Yeah,
but you performed to a lot more than that live yeah, live yeah yeah.
Yeah. So but like I say, the music was what it was.
It was me that wrote the lyrics and wrote the songs, and if
you listen to it from a sort of like infinite love perspective, you realize
that all the lyrics are about that basically. So as we get towards the
end of the show, we'll actually point to with in the right direction towards
pointing some of those videos as well. Yeah, that'd be great, Yeah,
because there's I do think that, like as far as independent little bands
goa I mean, like they are worth a watch. And if you're into
the kind of spiritual consciousness movement, you know what I mean, like it
should you should relate to them. Yeah, I think you you're quite in
the realms of getting towards the Pink Floyd type of Would you agree with that?
What was it any assault? No? No, it's just yeah.
I mean one of the things that people always said about Cosmosis was it is
fairly original. You know, obviously it's got influences and stuff, you know.
I mean, there's that kind of psychedelic rock, absolutely yeah, but
there's the acoustic thing there, and I think I was a little bit influenced
by like nineties dance music as well, but like you know, but it's
all kind of their um and it kind of is own melting pot is Cosmosis,
you know, it's like, yeah, it is what it is.
I think probably best for people just to listen to it, yeah, because
a lot it's very different, so a lot of other subtles out there.
Anyone wouldn't want any Pink Floyd fans to sort of like, you know,
no, no, worst is what I said. It's kind of it's not
quite the same, but it's going in that kind of direction. You know.
I think if you like Pink Floyd, you'd like Cosmosis music. You
know, maybe not, maybe not the other way around. I'll take that.
I think it's quite acceptable. I'll tell you what though, you tell
me a story about the hasbat suit people. Yeah, do you want to
relate that one? Yeah? Thats so basically that was one of the only
contacts I've ever had where I had no idea who they were. To be
fair, that was. It was fairly round. I've seen some random UFOs
as well that weren't anything to do with me, but this was a full
blown like meeting in a field, I say, meat, I'll tell you
the story, but with people that didn't know me and I didn't know them.
And that was when me and Ricky were driving back from a place called
Brill Hill late at night. We used to got there quite a lot,
just sitting on our deck chairs, like under the stars and talking and meditating
stuff. And we came back and we were driving past a military base called
Graven Hill. It's a big logisticals military base in Bista, and we were
driving past down the bypass roads there and a big white star basically was off
to the right hand side of the car, up in the sky but not
very high at all, and it was huge. I mean, it looked
like a star, but it was huge. You know, it looked it
could have been easily At first, I could have thought that it was like
a helicopter like searchlights and you know, although it wasn't shining like on the
car, but it was just it was that bright whatever to look at.
We so Rickie was there in the car with me, and we was sort
of like slowed down and we were just pacing with it. It was a
going over the fields to our right. It was it started coming sweeping down
in altitude. It would fly along for a bit and then it would just
drop like drop down and carry on going. And it was heading out to
these fields off to the right, and we stopped up because it went lower
than the trees and it went into the field, and so we pulled the
car up and then looked across the road and there was a public highway side,
you know, one of these like kissing gates, you know, let's
go over into the field. So we realized that there was a bit of
fate going on there because it was a bit nervous about going in, because
I say, it's different when you've got a relationship with people. With some
of them was dangerous as far as far as I'm aware. So we plucked
up the courage and went into over the fence into the field. And when
we got into the first field, they weren't The craft wasn't actually in that
field. It was in the next field along behind another tree line. So
we waited ten minutes and we sort of lost our bottle a little bit.
To be honest, we sort of decided to stop another fag and thought,
we're just waiting to see what happens here, you know. So we had
a fag and we sort of stood there kind of like excited, you know,
obviously a little bit nervous as well, because I had no idea as
to why this light had come down into this field or anything. So I
was a bit nervous about approaching it, but we had because it was still
there. So we decided that we would go up to the next tree line
so we could get eyes on it directly, and then we'd make our minds
up whether we were going to go into that field and approached the actual craft.
But as we started walking across the field that we were in, about
twelve or thirteen guys were coming the other way. They were wearing hazmat suits,
so they advisors, and like, you know, they were sort of
kind of baggy. They weren't fit tight fitting or anything. You know.
They literally looked like hazmat suits, you know, Mitchell and men. They
were walking in a line that shoulder to shoulder across the field. They weren't
walking straight at us. We were coming into the field from the side and
they were walking parallel down the field, sort of thing away from the craft.
They stood there. This will happened very quickly, so it was like
we saw them. We froze. I think Ricky like raised his arm or
pointed or something at them. And then one of them turned around, and
when he turned around, the guy was like nose to nose with me.
He was it was I don't think it was physical, you know, it
was some sort of psychic projection or whatever, but he was nose to nose
with me. And I felt dread and run through my body, and I
felt dread fear before, and it was it was. It was horrible.
It was a really horrible feeling. And he told me to f off.
Literally in my head told me to f off. And it carried this energy
with it, like you know where you were, you felt like, you
know, I'm not going to be told again. I'm going to be killed
if I don't go. So I turned round and I ran and hardly touched
the floor. I just I literally ran out of the field. I did
notice eventually that Ricky was running with me. We jumped over the fence back
out into the road. We got into the car. We drove a way.
Then Ricky relayed to me, Ye know what we talked, God,
just what happened or whatever. And Ricky said that he'd had exactly the same
experience that one of them turned round looked at him, and as he looked
at him, he was like touching nose to nose with him, and that
the guy told him to go away, and yeah, that's that's it,
sort of in a short nutshell. Um, yeah, but that was that
was a night out in this like a Wednesday night out, you know.
So yeah, but that you know, it happens, you know, I
wonder if I'm sure it was completely random. They had no idea who we
were, or we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I also genuinely think that there's a possibility that they were something like to do
with the government or something. M Like. I have no doubt that there
are secret programs running where we have UFO technology, And I think that whatever
reason these guys were doing, they just weren't expecting us to be there,
but they had some sort of ability, some sort of technology or something to
scare us off. Yeah, it's an interesting story though. It's one of
those It's one of those stories that leaves you sort of really puzzled for the
rest of your life with you So what was that all about? So I
think I told you before that one of the interesting things that came to me
randomly about six months later was that my wife's cousin I think he was.
He's one of these guys that you know, like he'd go out with like
sort of four or five of his mates and they sort of drive around listening
to drum and bassed music and smoking weed and stuff, sitting in cars.
So I'm not saying he's the most reliable witness, but that he told me
it's unprompted, and I found it interested. He said, Oh, he
said the other night, he said I saw something really odd and I was
just like, oh, yeah, what happened? And he said, I
was So I was sitting in a lay by overlooking Graven Hill, the military
base, and I was like, oh, right, okay. And now
Graven Hill obviously it has a big hill right in the middle of it as
an old Roman it was a Roman military base as well, and there's lots
of stories of tunnels like going underneath Bista and far Afield or whatever they go
to this base. And he said, we saw the strangest thing. He
said. We were sitting there as about three o'clock in the morning, he
said, and we saw white lights going from all directions coming to the hill,
and then they seemed to be descending into the hill, he said.
And then we saw a couple like come out of the hill and shoot off
in different directions. He said. They looked like stars, he said,
but they were just coming above the base and then shooting off in different directions.
And I was thinking, wow, because that completely like tallied with what
we saw and that like I didn't see that craft until we passed the base,
and like my intuition was like telling me that basically that craft had come
out of the base. It was possible that it like that. I was
not saying, I know this, but this is this is what feels right
to me. That's what I think I saw was a craft come out of
that base malfunction and land in the field just over the rope and everyone getting
out of it. And I think that we just were privy to it and
that and that we shouldn't have been, because, like I said to you,
I'd had lots of experiences and I'd never had any problems with like surveillance
or anything like that. But when I saw that I had loads of JIP,
I had load my phones were tapped, I had people outside my house
side people taking photos of me. Yeah, I had all sorts of stuff
going on, helicopters following me. There was definitely an intimidation program going on.
Someone was letting me know that they knew that I knew, and that
I know whatever. I don't know because no one ever spoke to me directly
about it. No one ever came up to me and said anything. It
was. You know, they wouldn't talk to me. I'd say some on
the phones when I knew that they were listening, you know, when I'd
heard them talking on the line. At one point tried to talk to them
and they shut up, but they that was It was the way it was.
So the surveillance afterwards, it just made me feel like, oh,
this is all human. This is you know what I mean, This is
this is all like something to do with military or you know, like a
government or whatever. It is beyond the government, you know, if that's
the thing, that it was something more along those lines than it was just
because I say, I'd been face to face with with the others, and
it didn't feel like that didn't feel that scary, didn't feel threatening. There
was a there was a threatening presence about that whole thing. So yeah,
that's that's pretty much that what happened there. M hmm. What about you
feel, well, did you have any experiences as a youngster at all,
all these kindible like like experiences. Yeah, it definitely has some experiences as
a youngster. Um you know, Uh, they'd come into my room and
stuff while I was like playing with Lego and stuff like that. Um,
So there's a couple of experiences like that, and I just I just got
familiar with them, you know, when I was younger, and then you
know, your peer group then becomes you know, the people you go to
school with and things like that, and then you become more interested in in
those people, and those people become familiar each day, you know, rather
than your quote unquote imaginary friends at the time. And then I always remember
one experience I had grown up, when you know, I thought that I
was like a family. There was two two younger ones and two sort of
older ones, and it's like, can we stay and watch this one?
And I thought to myself before like a zoo attraction, what's going on here?
And the sort of said, you know, no, we'll come back.
It's it's a long time before this one gets exciting. I thought,
what, I thought, nothing of it, And then that was that experience
where sort of it it died down for me as a child. But then
obviously in later years I went on to sort of have an experience with with
with Dave. You know, I guess when it kind of matters. When
the duster settled, you know, you've you've got a good interpretation of of
what life is, at least fit officially anyway, and you know you can
go on about your business. But yeah, it's um, as Dave describes
it, it comes in like waves and um. You know you'll see UFOs
and things like that. One of the first things you do is always try
and say, well, is it a plane? Is it? Is it
you meteorite, astro or whatever? And you know, once you quickly deduce
that it's none of those things, well what else can it be? You
know, satellites, none of those things. So I definitely think the UFOs
and the crafts and stuff are very much like a as much as some people
can can can sort of take or handle or deal with. I think that's
enough for most people. And I'm kind of shocked at how many people keep
it to themselves, m what they experience throughout fear of being called crazy.
The conversations I have with people about it, you know, I like to
ask people, what's the craziest thing you've ever experienced? And you know,
it could be anything that they they tell me. It could be something crazy
that happened on their street, you know, with their neighbors or or something.
But you know, eight times out of ten, these people will go
towards a aerial phenomena that they witnessed, you know. Um, So I
do believe it. You know, it's happening to a lot of people.
I just don't feel that people are in a position to even have the words
to describe the feelings for something like that, you know, let alone you
know what people might think of them when trying to describe it. But it's
definitely I think when you have a face to face experience, it's definitely a
part of you that just has to process that for a while. Um And
it, like they've said, it can it can play on your mind for
for years and I don't think it's over filled. Do you do you ever
feel ever since that there is like another you said about it coming in waves,
And I feel like, you know, when we talk about the lull
and stuff. Now we've had to sort of like, you know, integrate.
We're getting on with our lives and doing things and stuff and you know,
taking care of the farm. But I do feel like there's there's like
this is all leading somewhere. Do you have that sense that there is like
there's another thing that's going to happen, that it's really important that we exist
or whatever. Yes, I do you sense that, you know? Yeah,
I think there's definitely a much bigger scenario going on around this activity and
the storyline with that. It's vast, and the intricacies across that storyline are
you know, they can make the whole thing seem quite complex. But through
many years of thinking about what I experienced, I'm definitely off the persuasion that
that's a lot of effort for what just to discover that there's a species that
we're not aware of. What the newer phone narrative is really evolving at the
moment, isn't it As far as the mainstream media that goes and I think
it's trying to normalize it as well. I think they might be building up
for something that is going to be really important, that there are people that
actually do have a firsthand sense of what's going on rather than just people that
are watching the news and believable they're being told. You know, yeah,
absolutely, and a lot of this UFO craft phenomenous stuff just didn't really drive
drivers like true when you're still having a face to face experience with them,
like why do you need spaceships when you can disappear before my eyes? You
know, Like what's that about? You know? I think the other thing
is that is I mean, if we if we know their m at all,
it's when it's like mainstream media and government information. I mean it's basically
it's fear based, isn't it. That's where that's where it's going in.
You can see that it's going to be eventually, well we need more money
for the military industrial complex or you know, you you will need to lock
yourselves down more or whatever, because the Yeah, I think throughout history that
they've always used the miniltary industrial complex as you put it, has always used
it to drum up fear for more funding, and I think they've just got
a framework for that now. I'm not disputing that there isn't isn't crafts.
There is crafts or whatever that have been discovered and that they're tangible and you
can reach out and touch them and stuff like that, But like how did
they exist? I don't know, like, you know, were they even
built in a factory? Like not a human factory. You know, it's
it's just it's a trouble name. We've got so little solid information on any
of this stuff, and the characters seem to be they're peddling the information out,
you know, like it just my intuition just tells me they're a little
bit dubious. You know. I'm just not particularly trustful of them. No,
you think if if the news was going to tell the story the way
it actually is, you know, they would it would sound more like the
Bill Hicks Absolutely wouldn't it said that, you know, was it? You
know, Paul finds out today that we're all one thing experiencing itself subjectively in
an infinite amount of different ways. There is no death, be afraid well
love you know, It's like they're not going to say that on the news.
You know, it's always just going to be oh my god, there's
a US because fear it gets the attention. And yeah, yeah, yeah,
I do think there's a bigger scenario at play, and there's there's you
know, there are other people having you know, very legitimate experiences. There's
one chap I always think back to called James gillie Land. Oh yeah,
in Seattle Way by Matt Shasta. Yeah. I always really appreciate the work
that he did, you know, And there was a documentary with Danny Dyer
which I don't know that documentary just when Danny Dyer went to the you know,
gilly Land ranch and was almost annoyed for having two traits all around the
world, you know, meeting these people that claim to have had some kind
of experience and you know, just just a hoax or whatever, you know,
got enough in to show for it. Really, Then when he gets
to James gillie Land, it's almost like a pilgrimage. It's like, I
ain't I've been going half around the world, I ain't seeing UFOs and this
is the way James gilderlands. So chill about like you're okay, Like Danny,
You're having a hard time there, you know, so, oh,
you know, I'm sure you'll see one tonight. And then there was a
bit there there's a meditation session they do um beforehand, and it was just
it got Danny Dyer to feel very uneasy. We always used to do meditations
and stuff, didn't we. Yeah, we definitely about their energies before things
would happen, you know. Yeah. And then that's that seem line with
sort of Stephen Greer as well, and it he does that kind of the
idea that they should be meditating to create this sort of See five. Now,
don't get me wrong, I do like Stephen Greer, but I do
just feel that, like James gildie Land, it's less sensationalized. You go
there, it's not sensationalized, and it's it's a very real experience, and
it's it's the interactions with the crafts that get me. You know, Yeah,
how you can they can shine a big old green laser at it and
then the cool craft itself powers up. Now how many times we had that
film? Yeah, No, I was just going to move on to that,
you know, with with people who haven't seen. I mean, it
was just recently I was with a friend and I thought, screw it,
I'm going to show him a UFO And then you know, we went out
for a SkyWatch and lo and behold, without fail, one turns up.
I said, right, guys, let's debunk this. Is that a plane?
No, it's not any plane. We went through it list, you
know, eat all the list to try and de bunk it. And then
I said, we can't really the bunk it, can we? I said,
now, but this is the weird part. I said, you can
ask it to do things and it does it for you. And I said
to my friend, I said, I said, what do you want it
to do? Do you want it to the land? Or is that a
bit much? I said, what about shine up right? He goes,
yeah, I get it to shine up right, And before he could finish
the sentence, it already shined up like massively, like just bright light and
the sky like just wasn't like that previously. And funny enough, Dave,
that was heading towards Graven Hill at the time. Okay, yeah, you
could see Graven Hill in the distance and that was heading and they've opened up
Graven Hill recently. Yeah, yeah, I went up there. You can
walk up there. Now a lot of dubious buildings up there were no doors
on it. It makes you ask more questions really, But then they shut
it down because too many people were going up there for some reason. So
again, these things could be happening on were so limited in our understanding of
what dimensional of what dimensions are and stuff. You know, obviously it's possible
that these things are happening on a slightly different frequency. Yeah, now you
see the Dave this in a way, this kind of comes back to the
point that we were talking about earlier. Right, So so somebody could maybe
write he say, oh, well, Dave's wife's cousin sitting in a car
smoking weed. You know, Um, they're just druggies right now. Is
it possible that like someone else would have been driving down the road that night
through Bistera and they wouldn't have seen those crafts. But the very fact that
he's sitting there listening to a form of music that entrances you smoking marijuana,
does it allow him to see m hm? You know, like that's you
know, these things will become like you'll never really have an answer for that.
I can't. I do believe that happens, So I do believe that
some people do actually see things that sort of over their house or whatever,
and they are the only one that everybody in that car was seeing. Yeah
right, but of course everyone in that car was smoking weed and everyone in
that car drumming bass music or whatever. But it's quite straight they will be
seeing the same thing, isn't it. You know? Yeah, So it's
like so it really begs the question, like, you know, like we
don't know enough about reality to make judgment calls on what other people experienced.
You know, we haven't got a clue. I haven't got a clue.
If this is a simulation, then what tell Then tell me what's not possible,
Jenny. You know, if I was playing a computer game, I
wouldn't walk in that computer game and go, oh that's impossible. Oh look
there's a thing flying now that's just disappeared. That can't happen because you know,
you're playing in a computer game the rules or whatever the programmers and like,
of course, like if we're in a similar or be a more sophisticated
version of that, then I'd like to know who it is that knows what
is and isn't possible, you know, just I don't know wouldn't be that
bold. Certainly don't know that that's what we're doing here, and basically this
is what we're trying to learn from each other exactly. Yeah, everyone's got
a bit of the puzzle, you know, everyone's got a bit of puzzle.
And of course we're putting the story. Yeah, not as much making,
but you're putting the story out there. So people listening out there maybe
suffer or suffering or experiencing something that's going on in their own lives and listening
to you could help them in their own way, you know. You know,
I was sitting earlier thinking about this today and I want to look into
it. It's not something I know about, but I do feel like there
should be some sort of experience or support network exists. I don't know if
there is. If there isn't, then I think that I'm going to I'm
motivated to try and do something about that. Yeah. I think there are
one or two kinds of things on Facebook, and you know, you know,
whichever way you look at Facebook, but I do believe there are a
few groups if you like on Facebook do that type of thing. Okay,
I think probably you know, there's as big a help as that is things
like these podcasts, because that definitely helped me a little while ago, this
podcast and realized that I was like, hey, okay, okay, there's
lots of people going through you're not doing you well, yeah, you know,
and just the fact that you provide the podcast and that just that is
a reality. That's a reality that twenty years ago didn't exist, you know.
And so there's all part and parcel of some sort of evolution in this
narrative. And there's a lot out there. I mean, look, I
mean this is quite a big one, I knowing this goes out a lot
of worldwide, but there are a lot of smaller ones out there that just
have like small groups. But they in their own right. Yeah, they're
doing their own thing in their own right, So they're still helping people,
that's right, I think it is. And everybody in their own ways relating
to different aspects of it, you know what I mean. Obviously there's some
cultural differences, and we know that people in China and Mexico and they're all
having they're all having experiences, you know. But obviously it's difficult for me
at this level to to relate to someone from Beijing. You don't speak the
same language. More likely. I always wonder about that. You know,
when this show goes around the world with people are sort of listening to us
and they don't understand the word of English, does it get does it get
translated somewhere else? It won't be the first time I've been miss misunderstood.
But I mean, I think they're luckily there's a lot of people in the
world that do speak English, so we do. We do get quite a
big audience. So that's good. You deserve well, you know, it's
good. As as I said to day before, I've probably told yourselfil I
never expect you to be doing these shows. If you'd have asked me five
years ago what I've been doing the radio shows, obviously what No, never,
you know, it's just I mean, this he's been my vroid.
It's been I've been leading to doing these things and something I never thought of
doing. So there you go. And it's kind of I mean, I'm
not saying I'm helping you, but I'm saying it's kind of brought me together
with a lot of people, and I've met a lot of interesting people that
I probably never would have met, and I never would have spoken to you,
no doubt had I not been doing these shows. So you know,
that was after the experience I had last time we spoke with the UFO above
the house. It definitely made me like, Okay, there's there's something about
Dave because I you know, I'd spoken on another podcast, but nothing like
that happened. That that happened. I'm creepy now. And I felt like
as if for some reason, I was more fluid with you as I was
able to speak. You know. Yeah, It's just like and I was
like, okay, you know that this is this is the right thing to
do. I felt about the day. This is the right thing to do.
I need to do, I need to speak. Yeah, I have
to say. I do find that I do. I do find I met
good connections with people we are like yourself. I feel good connections with you.
I feel good connections, we feel women had a old conversation on the
phone, and you know that's what I get out of it. I'm sort
of my life is getting enhanced by talking to people like you and feel and
many others and all the great music you keep being centers and the music.
Yeah, thank you, thank you for that. And right we must mention
that right people out there on YouTube, there's a Cosmosis it's c O S
m O S S. If you check out that, I think, is
that the only sort of label that you might have to find that music?
Though, just just to be aware, there's there's two cosmosis is Now.
I was going to ask you about that because I found that and I thought,
is that the same band or is that another band now? Because obviously
they're kind of artwork looks similar to ours. Yeah, again, that you
know, of itself is very interesting. Maybe they are being influenced by in
the same way, but like, yeah, they're like an Israeli kind of
dance band. Well okay, we were getting like people from Israel following us,
and we was like, why, what's what's going on there? But
I did come across some of those, I thought, is that the same
band? Because I know you're not in the band anymore. Um yeah,
but obviously so no, you've you've clarified that. So I should people careful
now if I think if you if you went on to YouTube and typed in
Cosmosis video, yeah, that is that our channel is. I think it's
just called Cosmosis video. So and then you should see sort of uh you
know, pictures of me with long air on the front. But I know
I've seen that obviously the ones that they've sent me, quite a few links
to the to the videos, and I really become a fair actually really good
stuff. So I sort of anyone out there that kind of likes pink fluidy
type music, I want it too far down that road, but it's it's
along that that's type of rup. But obviously it's got a lot more meaning
with some of the songs, and I really like them a lot. Anyway,
Yeah, you can pay me later day for it. Thank ye,
better go then, David. Yeah, it's been fantastic having you're both on
you and feel um maybe we could do this again in a few months ago
though, Yeah, you left to keep me in touch with what's going on
in your lives and if anything be got trastic happens, you left, you
know. Yes, Yeah, definitely, Dave. I mean I do feel
that there is going to be there is more coming, Yeah, because just
recently, like I said, ever since I started talking to you, like,
I definitely and I found myself my life has become a little bit liminal
recently, which I've noticed that's a kind of good thing. That's the kind
of thing. Um. But I've got a feeling that it's all cranking up
somewhere. There's there's there's reasons for it all feeling that you know, every
time I turn on the news at the moment, there's a story about UFOs.
And yeah, there's been a lot of bit likely with reports and things
and whistleblows and if you could believe the whistleblower stories, but there you go.
So the fact is is that it's it's where it's happening, you know,
whether whatever narrative it is or whatever, misinformation whatever, but the UFO
thing is kind of happening. I fear they're not. They're not quite taking
the mickey out of it. Now. Oh there's I used to over the
years. I mean somewhere obviously something more to come, you know, there's
there's more to come. And also I've got a feeling that you know,
if they you think about it, so you think, if most people's reality
judges what they see, you know, if like the idea of that actually
believing is seeing not the other way around you, then like obviously if they
reason why maybe a lot of people don't see these guys and the UFOs is
just because most people don't believe. Yeah, but of course if the official
narrative becomes that they do exist, people start seeing them more on mass in
it it goes into the mass martin. If you like that they're real and
they're here, then I've got a feeling it. At that point the doors
open for my guys too. It's easy for them to come here openly early,
be seen by large amounts of people because they can accept the reality.
Yeah, I think that might be something that's going to happen. Yeah,
that would be amazing. Yeah, it would be nice to be there,
you know, so you know it might be interesting time ahead. David.
Yeah, lets hope, so I'll be I do agree with you that something
is going on. I do wish we were living closer. I'll take you
out for a beer or so, but we're actually quite a few miles apart.
On we all of us, all three of us. But you never
know. One day we're still rain something. Get together somehow, be nice.
But I guess we'll leave it there. Thank you, David, Thank
you Phil. And as I say, maybe we can do it again sometime,
but please stay in touch and and take care of yourselves. Cool right,
you take care of yourself. Cheers, thanks, bye, bye,
bye, there we are. That was Dave Hunt and Phil Graham. Thank
you Feathers. That was fantastic, really enjoyed it well. The next show
is going to be on July the twenty fourth and it's going to be about
crop circles with a bad named Gary King, who's quite well known in the
field accidental pun there so a should be looking forward to that one as always.
If you like to get in touch with me before then, my email
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David Young took you in at Yahoo dot co dot UK. So until July
the twenty fourth with Gary King. I look forward to speaking to you then.
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