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let's talk about news. The Bengals lose a coach, they gain a
couple of coaches, well, they make a couple of promotions, they hire
one coach. They're still in a coaching deficit, and we'll talk about that
as well, but let's get the facts of the matter out of the way
before we dive into analysis. Yeah, they're down. What an assistant linebackers
coach technically would be the one that they're down. So we'll see there.
But yeah, three new coaches and are three coaching changes to be clear.
One new coach and I think this is the surprise. Justin Rascotti pass game
coordinator. And then Brad Kraigthorpe. I think everybody knew he was going to
be the quarterbacks coach and it was just a matter of when, and so
that's official. And then the other surprise, and it's a surprise because we
hadn't really talked about other potential departures. And the guy that I kind of
thought might have a chance of this offseason to become an offensive coordinator not necessarily
a defensive coordinator was Troy Walters, but it looks like he's going to stay.
But the Bengals lose secondary coach and also safety's coach. And why am
I forgetting his name now? It's my guy, Robert Livingston. It took
me a second, but Jordan Kovacs is replacing him in that role, what
I think is kind of cool. About the two promotions. Both guys entered
with Zak in twenty nineteen. I've been on zach staff the entire time,
and I think Cragthorpe and Kovacs have both grown. But you lose a guy
in Livingston, he's been around for nine years, help develop Jesse Bates,
the baits Bell combo. We all talk about how good it was. Robert
Livingston had a big role in that, so we could talk more about the
loss. But yeah, those are the three moves, and I think the
past game coordinator is probably the big get surprised, followed by Livingston's departure.
And then third and probably the least surprising, is the fact that Brad craig
Thorpe is the new quarterbacks coach. Yeah, I'm encouraged by the fact that
they backfilled for brag Kragthorpe's promotion to quarterbacks coach, and we'll talk more.
We'll talk a lot about what Justin Roscotti is probably going to do for the
Bengals, why the hire makes sense, what his background is. But I
do want them still to backfill for Jordan Kovach and it's going to be interesting
on Kovach to see which of us was pronouncing that name correctly. I think
it's Kovatch. I think that's how the CS is pronounced at the end of
that one. So we'll find out. I will bet you let's see here,
I'm just checking to make sure. I'll bet you a week worth of
door dash. We could bet a Nissan, a brand new Nissan. I'm
fine with that. It's a little bitch both trying to look at me,
trying to get Jake Lisco with names. Well, yeah, with names,
I'm not very confident, Like maybe you'll get five dollars on the line here,
maybe, and I think that it's actually Kovach. But anyway, point
is I would like them to backfill these coaching positions some somehow. It doesn't
have to be the exact same position, but you see where these assistants are
elevated and build themselves. So it's one. It's a coaching pipeline thing for
the Bengals where if you can continue to develop coaches in a way that you
are confident in their ability to take on bigger roles in the future, that
enables you to have some continuity going forward and enables you to promote from within,
as the Bengals did with Cragthorpe and Kovach, and I think that that
is there are some upsides there right in Covach a former safety. I know,
he was a linebacker's coach for the Bengals, assistant linebacker coach for the
Bengals, but played safety, so has experienced that way. Cragthorpe came up
through LSU, worked with Joe Burrow at LSU for a year before joining Zach
Taylor's staff. Obviously familiarity there. Has been working as an offensive assistant for
quite a while, has been seen as a descending coach, I think for
quite a while, so that one also makes a lot of sense. And
then losing Livingston a bit of a surprise. Like you said, agree with
all that. So all of this to say, from an infrastructure perspective,
you're losing labor when you lose Brian Callahan. When you promote from within to
replace. You're losing labor when you when you lose Robert Livingston, you promote
from within to replace. And so I'm still hoping that they make another higher
defensive assistant somewhere just so that the work that Kovach was doing in his previous
role is filled. Because you're losing time on task for those guys. And
it looks like you're very confident in what you found is a pronunciation, because
I also looked this up before I said anything. According to Big ten Network
it's Kovacs, so we were there's no no ch Okay pronunciation there. Well
that's Big ten Network. That's when Kovacs was thriving for the Wolverines. But
maybe it's dead wrong. I didn't look in the Bengals pronunciation guide to see
if it's If it's there, it will be now regardless because he's a position
coach and so we'll see. But hopefully you just got a chance to ask
him at some point. We could also go look for the University of Michigan
pronunciation guide from two thousand, the media guy from twenty twelve or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and look can very well be I
mean, maybe it's either way. I don't know. Good thing we didn't
bet either way because I could have gotten wrong too. But the point is
to your point and what we can dive into past game coordinator in a minute
and all of those things. But I agree with you. You're a coach
down now, and I do like that these guys have developed. You're talking
about a guy in Kovax that played the game and played in the NFL for
multiple years and then slowly works his way up, gets here in twenty nineteen
and works his way up and now gets to work with safeties in the NFL
exclusively for the first time in a while. Now he'll work with the secondary
too. But what a big what a big spot for this secondary to be
in a lot of young, I think hungry athletic players that need to take
a step forward. And Zach Taylor looked at this and said, yeah,
Jordan Kovac is the guy to get the most out of them. So hopefully
he can't write whether it's DJ Turner, Dax Hill, obviously Jordan Battle.
This is a big, big off season and twenty twenty four is going to
be a big season for those guys. One hundred percent agree there, And
we're gonna have to talk about the impact on those safeties because Livingston, you
know, for the year the safety has just had and what have you done
for me lately kind of league. Maybe some people are glad to see a
change for safeties and hoping to see some improvement with a coaching change there,
but he did a pretty good job with Jesse Bates and and vom Bell prior
to the change at safety. So we we'll have to talk about the impact
there because you do lose some continuity. And I have a lot to say
about Justin Roscotti. Actually, at first I was very confused by this hire,
and we'll talk a lot about this a little bit later in the show.
It was very confused, like, why are they going and hiring an
offensive line coach assistant offensive line coach to be a passing game coordinator? I
don't don't why does that make sense? Anyway, it does make sense for
reasons that we will discuss in a little bit on the show. But we'll
do that next. Let's do that next, and then we'll get to the
safeties. Offense is more important passing. Passing wins championships, damn it.
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vary by state. James, let's talk justin Roscotti. The more I've looked
into the name Kovacs, I think you're correct about it. But there's that
Alter Carbon show on Netflix. For the main characters named Kovaks, and I
think they said Kovad for him. Anyway, we're not going to talk about
his name anymore. Let's talk Justin Roscotti, offensive line assistant in Minnesota,
quality control coach in Denver, where he mostly worked with offensive line, but
did also work with quarterbacks for a year. But got to dig a little
bit deeper. You go back to his college playing days. He was a
quarterback, was a quarterbacks coach in college, was an offensive coordinator in high
school. Also was an offensive coordinator at the college level for several years,
not for any major schools, but for college programs. Nonetheless, also coach
wide receiver, so as coached every position on offense except for tight ends and
running backs, a lot of familiarity with a lot of different positions. Is
an ex quarterback himself that has now decided to specialize in offensive line play,
which is an interesting cocktail of experience for a guy that you're asking to come
in and play a role as a passing game coordinator. Agreed. I think
one he's shown in the NFL he can have multiple roles offensively the offensive line
assistant coach position, of course, but he knows passing and he comes from
that Vikings offense, and I was just thinking about it, like man kirk
Cousins justin Jefferson. Kirk Cousins has been really good the past year and a
half before he got hurt, and I think he could add something there.
And to me, this hire isn't for these people, but it should satisfy
those that say, all right, bring in a new set of eyes.
Because he was a quarterback, he has that experience. He's been in the
league now essentially for as long as a lot of this staff has been together.
And Zach Taylor formed this Bengal staff in twenty nineteen. He's been in
the league since then, and so it lines up in a lot of ways
his growth and development as a coach, how he could come in and potentially
impact things and help this staff. And I also think that you didn't necessarily
need another assistant quarterbacks coach and you can go with the passing game coordinator,
someone that's going to help with the passing game, help improve it, push
it forward, all of those things. I think that that's fine because you
still have your quarterbacks coach in Dan Pitcher on the staff, and then obviously
Brad Craigthorpe served as the assistant last year, and that's something that Zach has
done now twice where it felt like, all right, well, Alex van
Pelt, he could be one and done. So what does he do.
He has Dan Pitcher become the assistant quarterbacks coach in twenty nineteen, promotes him
in twenty twenty, and then last year Brad Craigthorpe moves over to assistant QB's
coach and Boom becomes the quarterbacks coach a year later. So I do think
that that's part of it. But no, I like this higher and I
think it should satisfy those that wanted an outside perspective for sure. Well,
and that goes back to the earlier conversation I was mentioning as well, when
it comes to back to keep that pipeline going, and that's where whatever the
position is on defense, you would like to see. I would like to
see another coach hired, another assistant hired somewhere, and it could be a
young guy like Rascotti, relatively inexperienced in the NFL anyway, who's still working
his way up and needs that experience. But as far as Rascotti is concerned,
you think about the things they lost when they lost Brian Callahan and some
of the specific things that we know he did for the offense, We know
that he was largely involved with helping to set up protections and maybe some people
are groaning about that because they're thinking about protection issues that the Bengals have had,
but it was one of his responsibilities. And you think about system similarities
between where Riscotti comes from. Kevin O'Connell also comes from Sean McVay, of
course, and so should be similar terminology between KOC and Zach Taylor. I
don't know if I don't remember which terminalities which terminology Zach Taylor KEPP, but
I'd imagine there's a lot of similarities as they both came from Sean McVay.
But you take those factors and you think, Okay, you got a former
quarterback who's dealing with offensive line stuff. So what's he going to do as
a passing game coordinator? Well, primary responsibility could be protections, could be
that he's going to be the guy who's going to come in and do a
lot of the work that Brian Callahan used to do on getting protections set every
week. Because this is a guy that used to coach you know, offensive
line sets and various protection responsibilities that would make sense to me. The other
thing that really jumps out is think about the system he's coming from that has
a star receiver and Justin Jefferson got a lot of good productivity out of Kirk
Cousins has a very play action heavy offense. Oh he knows, Justin.
I see where you're going with this. Well, probably not just judging judging
from that tone of voice, but could give you some ideas on different ways
to use Jamar Chase right and when to push the buttons to used remark Chase
in those certain ways. And not saying that he and Justin are the same
kind of player, but you start to bring some of those ideas along with
maybe some play action ideas along with protection setting experience from a quarterback perspective,
as the league increasingly on offense seems to be driven by guys who have quarterback
experience at some point, and and that's some of the many ways that this
hire can make sense. And another one, and this is very unlikely,
I would say, but if you really wanted to spin it, maybe it's
a future all coach candidate as well. Having worked with offensive line for so
long in the NFL. What are you doing? I don't think it's that
one. Oh what do you There's going to be so many people. Well
that's not my point. My point is, like your pipeline, right,
like it's just a pipeline idea, No, no doubt in that pipeline is
getting Justin Jefferson in Cincinnati. That's what that pipeline is. Maybe, now
that's what I said, That's exactly it came out of. I'm saying it.
They're just playing the ground more and more. Did you see him he
talked about He's like, I hope they value me enough to get me back
on the field. So there's a little trouble there for Justin and the Vikings.
But to your point, I agree, and I think there will be
some that look at the offensive line experience over the past couple of years and
say, oh, that's gonna help. I don't know. Maybe maybe it
does. I think he's going to be really focused on the passing game,
and it will be good to bring in another former quarterback. You lose one
and Brian Callahan former quarterback, you bring in another, and I do think
you'll get some fresh perspective. At the same time. It'll help just with
all of the stuff you're right, that Brian did. And that's probably what's
going to happen, right is I think Dan Pitcher will probably keep some of
the things that he did as a quarterbacks coach from a prepping borough standpoint.
I'm sure it's not like you just stop everything he's doing, that he's done
and he goes to the OC role. No, it's all right, these
are all the things that Brad can do, and then I'll probably do these
two or three things plus the OC role. And then you have this passing
game coordinator that can take some of the stuff that Brian Callahan did or the
other way, and take some of the stuff that Dan Pitcher did to help
prepare these guys. So it would not be it's not shocking to me that
they backfilled this. I think it was an important position. It is interesting
that the title is different, and it could just mean that the title is
different. A lot of people make that the Frank Pollock run game coordinator stuff.
Right, guess what Brian Callahan and Zach Taylor, it's their offense,
you know, and that's this year It's going to be Joe Burrow, Zach
Taylor and Dan Pitcher and company their offense, so we'll see then, honestly
might have been required to prevent the Vikings from blocking an interview, because if
you're talking assistant OL coach to assistant QB coach, that's probably not a promotion.
But if you're talking this a OEL coach, a passing game coordinator,
that's a good point. Yeah, it could. It could have been a
technicality for all we know to give him, and I'm sure there must be
something more behind it than that. I don't know if it's that easy to
skirt around the promotion and blocking interview blocking rules, but it could be something
like that involved as well. But either way, I think this checks a
lot of boxes in terms of making sense. Comes from a similar system quarterback
with offensive line experience, I think that's a really interesting combination, and play
action experience, experience with the star receiver in a passing game. All of
these things could point to the direction the Bengals are going in the future.
And then in addition to that, you are backfilling for lost labor, and
if it's protections, if it's red zone, if it's play action, whatever
it is, They've now got a guy to help spread that work around like
you're talking about. And I think that that is important, and I think
the Bengals still need to do it on the defensive the ball where they've got
a new safeties coach. We'll talk about the impact there. We'll talk Bengals
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dollars. Forgot one anecdote on Justin per Scotti that I wanted to share before
we dive into the safeties and Robert Livingston and Jordan Kovac's covatch. However,
we're going to land on his name being pronounced. When Justin er Scotti was
coaching in Denver in twenty twenty, in the COVID year, Denver had all
of their quarterbacks on the COVID list and they were desperate to find quarterbacks to
play and on their roster. Coaching roster, Justin Roscotti and Rob Calabreeze were
offensive quality control coaches, and Denver went to the league and they asked,
can we get can we get these guys onto the roster. We allowed to
sign these guys so that we can have somebody who's played quarterback play and Roscotti,
of course, playing on James Madison in college, won the FCS championship
back in two thousand and four, last play football in two thousand and six
at James Madison. The league said, no, we were deprived of seeing
what thirty seven year old fifteen years removed from playing football, Justin Roscotti could
have done in that game. Unfortunately, I would have loved it. I
would have loved it. And it is also true he can another guy who
could throw passes if they need to, or any tryouts or anything. But
I remember when that took place, and obviously you're like, are you serious
they had to ask about a coach, but just proof that there was wild
times, wild times. Indeed there was a receiver that not playing quarterbacks.
Yeah, I get who it was. I did too well. It didn't
go well for the Broncos. No, but he I remember as well because
he was praised for his like preparation and just jumping in and doing it because
somebody had to do it. Doesn't sound like the best time. A little
bit of pressure there, I don't know. Funny story though, Leak said,
No, didn't get to see it. Imagine if we had, though,
and then the Bengals hire him a few years later, we'll be going
back and watching that game. That'd be fun. Let's talk safeties, James,
Are you concerned? Do you see upside? What are your thoughts on
losing Robert Livingstone? For yeah, I think he's a good coach and he's
it was honestly, and I don't know this for sure. It's not like
I talked to Robert about this, but I'm sure he felt like at this
stage he wasn't getting enough looks to be an NFL defensive coordinator. The looks
that he probably hoped to get is become a coordinator and so go to the
college rights to do so, and try to show that you can call plays
and do those things. So I think that this was about him trying to
prevent himself from getting trapped and labeled as a position position coach only and been
on the staff for nine years dating back to twenty fifteen, was a Bengals
scout for a few years prior to that, and so I do think it's
a significant loss. He helped, He helped develop Jesse Bates, and a
lot of people forget Jesse Bates wasn't Jesse Bates when he came in. There
was some development there that he had to go through, and so you had
a track record of a coach that could do those things and get the most
out of a high pick that you're banking on. And the Bengals are in
a similar position now with two guys. You know, Jordan battles a top
one hundred pick, the ninety fifth pick, and obviously Jack sailed the thirty
first overall pick going into year three, crucial crucial year for him. I
do think Jordan Kovax is going to do a good job, and part of
it is because no one knows him than Zach Taylor, five years on staff,
played in the league, and so former nfler that played safety in the
league has to coach up your young safeties after paying his dues for multiple years
on this staff makes a lot of sense to me. Will it work,
I don't know, but from the outside looking in, it looks like it's
a guy who has paid his dues, has slowly worked his way up,
and now the Bengals are banking on him to help develop some key players,
including Dax Hill, who, like I said, former first rounder. It's
someone that they need to to develop into a premium player, preferably in twenty
twenty four starting this season. Yeah, big year, big year for the
safeties for the Bengals, big year for Jordan Kovas to step into this role
and take on that responsibility. You're committing to Kovach and it's Kovacs. One
of us is just going to sound really bad this episode. I love it.
I think it's it's both are correct, depending on where the name is
from or like how that family has decided to pronounce it. There was a
show Ultra Carbon on Netflix and the main character was called Kovach and he was
Kovach like, no doubt, no doubt my mind was Kovatch for him smelled
the exact same way. So never seen it. That's uh oh, so
the first season's fun. I'm not just so you know the color of the
Nissan. I'm not picky. I don't don't worry about that, Jake.
I will not be picky, I probably think, but you have to pick
one, right, You gotta no doubt what we got to say his name,
So yeah, sorry calling him Jordan for the rest of the show.
What's going to be hilarious is when he goes on to become like one of
the NFL's best defensive minds. And we could come back to this episode years
later, like, hey, remember when we didn't know how to say his
name. Now the whole world knows it. Yeah, like Beli Cheek like
in the nineties in the radio, like radio Bill belichiek. Who's this guy?
It would be it would have been eighties because people knew about him by
the nineties. Yeah. Anyway, another interesting parallel, just something else I
wanted to mention before we get out of here. Livingston Robert Livingston was a
Marvin Lewis holdover for the Bengals, and Justin Roscotti was one of the few
Vic Fangio holdovers in Denver when he arrived. He stayed, I believe,
on on Fangio's staff out in Denver, worked with Mike Munchak out there as
well, and that's where he cut his offensive line chops in the NFL.
As much as he will be contributing or not to offensive line play in Cincinnati.
In fact, you can go to I think there's an old video of
him when he was with the Broncos doing a pass set clinic kind of break
down. It was relatively basic, but that's out there if you want to
hear him. The Bengals new passing game coordinator talk about pass sets and you're
into coaching clinic kind of stuff. So I think that's all I got on
these coaches. Jane's anything to add before we get out of here, not
really, look, I think that it was the natural progression for Brad Craigthorpe,
natural projection for Jordan Kovacs to beat Kovaks and so we'll see if they
can deliver. But not shocked at all. Happy for Rob Livingston by the
way. I do think it is a step up and it's a chance for
him to show what he can do. Hopefully he crushes it in Colorado.
And that's not official yet as we record this, but it will be.
And then passing game coordinator, you want a new blood. You got a
fresh face in there, Bengals fan, so we'll see. But interesting moves
in the good news is Jake. I'm sure we'll hear from these guys maybe
all of them, maybe not, but most of these guys at the combine
in a few weeks, and obviously I'll be there. We'll get some audio
and be able to play it here. I did remember one other thought that
I wanted to share, which is that they are stocking up on former players,
former quarterbacks. There's a lot of former players on this coaching staff,
and for quarterbacks, Cragthorpe, co Cragthorpe, Rascotti, Taylor, Pitcher,
US four at least might be forgetting one of the other position coaches there.
And and Kovach a former safety, Kovacs former safety now a safeties coach.
Frank Pollock obviously played offensive played offensive line, but a number of NFL players
on this team as well, and that's one reason to like Kovacs. There's
definitely the ability. Oh Ben Uh, not Ben Casey, James Casey,
Uh, I'm ready here. It had to be won James Casey. I
did that with Mike yesterday or a couple of days ago too. I couldn't
remember her first name, and it was Mike James Casey, former NFL played
end, former NF Former NFL players tend to have an easier job connecting with
easier time connecting with players, and there's easier rapport there and nice to see
the Bengals leaning into that as well. And that is all my thoughts on
these Bengals coaches. We'll be back next week the marches on. I don't
care. Just throw out there. I think they're gonna win. I think
they're gonna win. I heard out there for our listeners. I think the
Niners win by three. There's some matchups that seem to really favor them.
So we'll see. A Monday episode will be recorded before the super Bowl,
just so you guys know, so we will not react to it. We
won't know. I don't think either of us want to wait until after the
game to record, so I don't know. If I'm watching the game,
we'll see. I'm gonna watch it. I probably will too grudgingly. Anyway.
That's gonna do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Until
next time, thanks for listening. Who day, have a good one,