Who take that out. They're in first place by six games. So at
some point just take it out as what I say, it doesn't matter,
but at some point you got to beat the brew crew. Then after these
three games in Milwaukee, as Dan Hills nose, then the Red Lace go
to Los Angeles play the Dodgers. Then they come back and play the Cubs
for four games in Chicago, then back home, and a hot rumor is
that Jonathan India may be traded. More important matters to attend to, and
that is it over the weekend effect on I believe Sunday morning. I had
a conversation with Sergeant Dan Hills about two or three pm Sunday afternoon about the
beating of police officer Terry McGuffey, who's a thirty three year veteran, and
he was on duty about seven am picking up the pieces of the jazz festival
by the pickleball courts, and a character known as Brandon Clayborne who seemingly I
want to get the facts from Sergeant Dan Hills, who was a male dressed
as a woman, making racist, shall we say, explanations and then also
pulling out his junk. It was a horrible circumstances this cop, thirty three
year veteran, had to deal with and Sergeant Dan Hills. First of all,
let's relate what happened on Sunday morning about seven am. I saw your
point and the condition of Officer McGuffey, who, by the way, is
unrelated to the sheriff, but nonetheless tell us the facts, Dan, if
you can. Sorry, Willie, I rarely get any facts wrong. I
always work real hard on confirmation of things. One thing I might have got
ahead of is saying that Brandon was wearing women's clothing dependent as EYE define women's
clothing, I imagine pants and a sweatshirt. Women sometimes wear those things.
But what he had was like a long wig that I would define as a
woman's wig, pink or purple. And I had posted on Facebook a page
of him earlier wearing this wig. So for that I may have been off
just a little bit. But here's the facts as I know him. And
this might not be all chronologically one hundred percent correct, but most of it
I think is pretty pretty tight. And that does that. Mister Clayborne was
in the area the pickleball courts down there by Sawyer Point, and he was
blocking people from walking on the paths as he's shadow box and occasionally as you
referred to, pulled out his jump. So this behavior had people concerned,
the pink hair, the shadow boxing, the junk pulling, and so they
called the police, well CBS, and the business section is very pretended,
all of our police districts are, but central Business Section, not being as
busy, gets really short handed. They had two patrol officers on the streets,
one of them was Terry mccuffey. Both officers got this run, but
Terry McGuffey was much closer and he arrived on seeing and before he could even
really engage this subject, the subject probably noticing Terry's size not near of his
because I understand this uh, this stug to be somewhere in the area of
six to five UM two seventy to three hundred pounds. But his monster bull
rushed Officer McGuffey, knocked him down, took his his UH baton from him,
and started beating him about the head. Uh kind of like doctor Hannibal
Elector did to the policeman and and and silence to the lambs. He went
went to attacking Terry to kill him. UM. He then unable to kill
him as Terry curled up a bit. Terry's unable to farm to the lost
histography in this close combat situation, so he kind of curled up and was
protecting himself and was able to call for help thankfully, um and um.
Upon this time, he pulled out Officer Ulcher mcguffey's taser, thinking it was
a farm. He thought it was a gun, Willie he was, drove
it into the back of Terry's head and pulled the trigger, discharging the taser.
He thought he was gonna blow Terry's head off, because his goal,
once again was was kill a policeman, as he told investigators, to kill
a white policeman. And so if that's still not getting his goal, he's
beating about the head. He's shot him with a taser that he hoped when
thought was a farm. He started to take his thumbs and drive him into
Ascar mcguffey's eye sockets and an attempt to gauge out his eyes probably cause damage
that in the end he hoped would be fatal to this policeman. In the
end he did. He did cause severe damage to at least one eye.
Both eyes are damaged as from McGuffey was bleeding from the eyes when I arrived
at the hospital. Who's beat all over. His head and face was swollen,
and he's got a broken nose, broken hand, a hip pain that
they cannot explain. That's caused him the most discus. I guess as he
landed on his gun side. I don't know if he's on concrete or grass.
They land on his gun side with this three hundred pound monster on top
of him, um, and has caused Terry and crewe amount of pain.
Uh. They kept him in the yar over night. You know. I
don't know if this was because of insurance reasons or whatever, because originally they
were talking about the Midden I specialists that were coming to see him in the
morning, or I think that right about now. Actually, really I think
as his appointment I specialists. I'd checked with his his wife a little bit
ago, and his vision has gotten worse. It's uh, you know,
in his right eye, and so there's there's great concern about him. Possibly
to say it, it's hard for me to say that he could end up
blind. This this wonderful, this wonderful man. He's he's not always a
police officer, a servant to his Community's a loving husband, a father,
a grand father. Will you know the joy that comes with that. He
just had a second granddaughter, a baby girl, adorable. I've seen her
on social media many times as Terry's very boastful about his little granddaughters. And
so that's this, this oneful servant of the community who served thirty three years
and had a couple of little bumps with his health recently and had considered retired,
but because of how shorthanded the unity works in his brothers and sisters,
he decided to stay on. I think his September or October was the latest
date that Terry and I had discussed, if I remember correctly what he was
talking about when he was talking about leavin. I wish Terry would have left
in the spring. But this, this monster would have killed him if not
for the arrival of another officer. Seen his other officer arrive. I think
the the suspect this would be killer knew what was coming, which there's probably
gonna be a deadly force on him. He jumped off of Ascer McGuffey and
late on the ground, terribly surrendering when he was killing the defenseless policeman before.
He wasn't going to face somebody that knew his His goal was to was
to kill um. He managed, He managed a sneaked out attack and an
ambush on on Ascer mccuffee and Sergeant I know from our discussions of yesterday that
police officer Terry McGuffey is sixty four years old. He's been a cop in
Cincinnati for thirty three years. Could have retired a few months ago with full
benefits, whatever, but well he actually years ago three years are you got
to retire? But he said, I like what I'm doing years ago.
Yeah, I like what I'm doing. And the other thing is, h
Cincinnati needs me because we used to have a full complement of officers. Don't
have it now. And uh, and I think you told me he was
a slight He is a slight man like five eight five nine tussling with someone
six fourth, three hundred pounds and physically he'd have no chance. He's a
grandfather. And Brandon, what can you tell us about Brandon Claiborne's previous history
thirty four years old? Later on we have one of his previous attorneys,
James Bogan, coming up, who represented Brandon Claiborne on other criminal charges.
But he's got his severe previous criminal passed along with mental So this is a
mentally deranged career criminal intent on killing a white police officer. Is that correct?
Really? That's that was his goal, that was his stated goal.
I did not get to look at his his record. I was at the
hospital of the majority of the time yesterday, and I've heard that he does,
say have extensive record. I got a text from a policeman that said
he recently had to use a taser to subdue mister Clayborne, so I think
he also. I heard he's just known as a as a street character.
That's what I guess the term, I'll use the street character. Down in
our District one or downtown area, we have so many uh there that that
are somewhat homeless or in and out of shelters. Uh you know they uh
they often are in in one particular shelter called the Hamlet County Justice Center.
Um so whether whether they're getting three hots and a cot from one of the
one of the shelters or three hots and a cop from the Hampton County in
Uh, they tend to hang out downtown a lot, and I don't know
if he was bagging on the streets at times. I don't know what his
all his activities were, but I know that often, uh he he got
the attention of the police down there. And obviously when somebody they you know,
acting in the way that he was, you know, standing people from
moving about and then you know, exposing themselves. The shadow boxing apparently too.
Obviously, this was a site that concerned people that are down there to
do normal things like played pickleball or walked walk with a loved one or or
a kid or whatever activities in which that park was built for, not for
not for thugs like just to go and ruin others people's days. But you
know, look at the one of the things. My cops are very very
frustrated, William. The personnel issues are what frustrating them. And you know,
look at the District five thing. Ideally we should have invested money and
had another district, but they decided to go down to four districts. And
if they would have done that in Central Business Section District two, some of
the districts that don't have hardly anybody because they don't have quite the radio call
volume that a District three or District four does they would have got some more
people. Maybe Terry's back up would have been closer, but you know,
they delayed that. And the word I have is, and you know,
maybe you ask the manager of this, is that they delayed this because they
wanted to get past the August election. They don't want a whole bunch of
people in College Hill and in more Shide and Mount Airy all pissed off because
they no longer have a police district close. And I know what the chief
says, that you have people patroling the beat I want. It takes you
forty minutes from your place on Ferguson to get to your beat, and forty
minutes and traffic to get back. It's going to take patrol time away.
So ideally there should be a District five. But when they finally came up
with some solution to get out of that building where they're where they're they're next
to a daycare center, checking your shotguns and their rifles, and they were
getting chased out of there because it didn't have earthquake proof. You know what,
probably have earthquake here in Cincinnati every other day the ground is shaken.
Will Yeah, that was Yeah, that could not be a police district by
by code because of an earthquake. Yeah, firthquake. A matter of fact,
I think I feel the ground shaking right now. I feel a shame.
Let's deal on this issue. You told me personally that this hurts you
because of your relationship with Officer Terry McGuffey. The kind of person he was
had no chance to defend himself and he was. He was within a few
seconds or a minute of either being blind in both eyes and or murdered.
I saw your point and this affected you personally. Yeah. No, just
Harry and I go way back. I did a lot of years, uh
as the canine Tartan, and we worked out of the park office the King
un did up in Mount Airy that that that station never no longer exists,
but the because the park Police no longer existing for some time, Terry was
assigned to the park Police, and uh he was. He was my ray
or lunch buddy. William asked to say it, Uh, Terry. I
enjoyed Terry's company, He at least acted like he enjoyed mine. And uh
so, uh, you know, I got to hear about his kids and
they were involved in athletics and you know we're friends and uh, you know
we still run into each other pretty pretty commonly. He's he's very active with
our police. Uh child's Christmas party that we have, I'm sorry, the
fop chiuse Christmas party that we have every year. He wraps presents and puts
things together. Um, he's a co chair of that. So I see
him down here at Union Hall a lot. Uh. We still cross paths,
had lunchtime from time to time downtown. Uh. Terry mcguffee is my
friend. And seeing him beating this way, uh it it accepted me very
much personally. I feel responsible is I tried to put pressure to do more
about street main power for our cop and you know, at that moment,
I felt like I failed my friend because you know, there's some things that
have been done but not enough. They're just not enough street coverage out there.
And uh and and and we almost lost Terry because of it. Well,
lastly, I would say this, Sergeant Dan Hills the twenty thirty years
ago go if a character like Brandon Clayborne over his lifetime demonstrate a profound mental
illness and criminal activity, he would have been committed to a long View State
Mental Hospital for a long period of time. There would have been a ten
day hearing, a thirty day hearing, a six month hearing, a one
year hearing, and then a commitment to get him the help he needs.
Instead of living on the streets, assaulting people, displaying junk and criminal misbehavior.
In the old days, none of this would have happened. He would
have been locked up a long time ago until he was restored to sanity.
You cannot have large, angry men on the streets of Cincinnati wanting to hurt
citizens and or quote white police officers end quote, at the same time suffering
from profound mental illness. He is a paranoid schizophrenic with effective components, and
you put all those things together, this was going to happen. It could
have been a jogger, could have been a pickleball player, could have it
just happened to be your buddy and Terry mcguffee and I offer eye condolences.
Wouldn't be the right word. Outrage that we live in a system where these
individuals walk around and they're living at tender mercies. They get three when they
do something. They want a hot meal, they go to the Justice Center,
which is the largest mental hospital in the Tri State. Sergeant Dan,
we got to go, but I want to get the message out and thank
you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you Dan, you're bad.
Well, thanks for hi. Let's continue. So the way things are
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