WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.480 Who take that out. They're in first place by six games. So at 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:06.960 some point just take it out as what I say, it doesn't matter, 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.679 but at some point you got to beat the brew crew. Then after these 4 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:14.640 three games in Milwaukee, as Dan Hills nose, then the Red Lace go 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.079 to Los Angeles play the Dodgers. Then they come back and play the Cubs 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:22.000 for four games in Chicago, then back home, and a hot rumor is 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:26.679 that Jonathan India may be traded. More important matters to attend to, and 8 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.039 that is it over the weekend effect on I believe Sunday morning. I had 9 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.920 a conversation with Sergeant Dan Hills about two or three pm Sunday afternoon about the 10 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:41.640 beating of police officer Terry McGuffey, who's a thirty three year veteran, and 11 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:46.840 he was on duty about seven am picking up the pieces of the jazz festival 12 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:53.520 by the pickleball courts, and a character known as Brandon Clayborne who seemingly I 13 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.719 want to get the facts from Sergeant Dan Hills, who was a male dressed 14 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:02.159 as a woman, making racist, shall we say, explanations and then also 15 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:07.519 pulling out his junk. It was a horrible circumstances this cop, thirty three 16 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.480 year veteran, had to deal with and Sergeant Dan Hills. First of all, 17 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.519 let's relate what happened on Sunday morning about seven am. I saw your 18 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.719 point and the condition of Officer McGuffey, who, by the way, is 19 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.599 unrelated to the sheriff, but nonetheless tell us the facts, Dan, if 20 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.959 you can. Sorry, Willie, I rarely get any facts wrong. I 21 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.560 always work real hard on confirmation of things. One thing I might have got 22 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:38.959 ahead of is saying that Brandon was wearing women's clothing dependent as EYE define women's 23 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.040 clothing, I imagine pants and a sweatshirt. Women sometimes wear those things. 24 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.200 But what he had was like a long wig that I would define as a 25 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.280 woman's wig, pink or purple. And I had posted on Facebook a page 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:55.959 of him earlier wearing this wig. So for that I may have been off 27 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:57.799 just a little bit. But here's the facts as I know him. And 28 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.359 this might not be all chronologically one hundred percent correct, but most of it 29 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:08.439 I think is pretty pretty tight. And that does that. Mister Clayborne was 30 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:15.080 in the area the pickleball courts down there by Sawyer Point, and he was 31 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:22.199 blocking people from walking on the paths as he's shadow box and occasionally as you 32 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:27.120 referred to, pulled out his jump. So this behavior had people concerned, 33 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.840 the pink hair, the shadow boxing, the junk pulling, and so they 34 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:36.759 called the police, well CBS, and the business section is very pretended, 35 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.280 all of our police districts are, but central Business Section, not being as 36 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.240 busy, gets really short handed. They had two patrol officers on the streets, 37 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.039 one of them was Terry mccuffey. Both officers got this run, but 38 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:52.080 Terry McGuffey was much closer and he arrived on seeing and before he could even 39 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:59.800 really engage this subject, the subject probably noticing Terry's size not near of his 40 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.120 because I understand this uh, this stug to be somewhere in the area of 41 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:09.520 six to five UM two seventy to three hundred pounds. But his monster bull 42 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:15.560 rushed Officer McGuffey, knocked him down, took his his UH baton from him, 43 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:21.599 and started beating him about the head. Uh kind of like doctor Hannibal 44 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.080 Elector did to the policeman and and and silence to the lambs. He went 45 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:34.080 went to attacking Terry to kill him. UM. He then unable to kill 46 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.560 him as Terry curled up a bit. Terry's unable to farm to the lost 47 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:43.879 histography in this close combat situation, so he kind of curled up and was 48 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:49.759 protecting himself and was able to call for help thankfully, um and um. 49 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:55.840 Upon this time, he pulled out Officer Ulcher mcguffey's taser, thinking it was 50 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.879 a farm. He thought it was a gun, Willie he was, drove 51 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.199 it into the back of Terry's head and pulled the trigger, discharging the taser. 52 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.759 He thought he was gonna blow Terry's head off, because his goal, 53 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:11.439 once again was was kill a policeman, as he told investigators, to kill 54 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.120 a white policeman. And so if that's still not getting his goal, he's 55 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:18.839 beating about the head. He's shot him with a taser that he hoped when 56 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.279 thought was a farm. He started to take his thumbs and drive him into 57 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:30.319 Ascar mcguffey's eye sockets and an attempt to gauge out his eyes probably cause damage 58 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:36.160 that in the end he hoped would be fatal to this policeman. In the 59 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.399 end he did. He did cause severe damage to at least one eye. 60 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.879 Both eyes are damaged as from McGuffey was bleeding from the eyes when I arrived 61 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.560 at the hospital. Who's beat all over. His head and face was swollen, 62 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:57.399 and he's got a broken nose, broken hand, a hip pain that 63 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.800 they cannot explain. That's caused him the most discus. I guess as he 64 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.480 landed on his gun side. I don't know if he's on concrete or grass. 65 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:11.040 They land on his gun side with this three hundred pound monster on top 66 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.399 of him, um, and has caused Terry and crewe amount of pain. 67 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.480 Uh. They kept him in the yar over night. You know. I 68 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.600 don't know if this was because of insurance reasons or whatever, because originally they 69 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:27.600 were talking about the Midden I specialists that were coming to see him in the 70 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.240 morning, or I think that right about now. Actually, really I think 71 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.639 as his appointment I specialists. I'd checked with his his wife a little bit 72 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:40.199 ago, and his vision has gotten worse. It's uh, you know, 73 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.199 in his right eye, and so there's there's great concern about him. Possibly 74 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:47.920 to say it, it's hard for me to say that he could end up 75 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:54.519 blind. This this wonderful, this wonderful man. He's he's not always a 76 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.079 police officer, a servant to his Community's a loving husband, a father, 77 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.600 a grand father. Will you know the joy that comes with that. He 78 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.000 just had a second granddaughter, a baby girl, adorable. I've seen her 79 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:12.920 on social media many times as Terry's very boastful about his little granddaughters. And 80 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:19.000 so that's this, this oneful servant of the community who served thirty three years 81 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:24.480 and had a couple of little bumps with his health recently and had considered retired, 82 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:29.560 but because of how shorthanded the unity works in his brothers and sisters, 83 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.519 he decided to stay on. I think his September or October was the latest 84 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.839 date that Terry and I had discussed, if I remember correctly what he was 85 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.279 talking about when he was talking about leavin. I wish Terry would have left 86 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:46.040 in the spring. But this, this monster would have killed him if not 87 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.639 for the arrival of another officer. Seen his other officer arrive. I think 88 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:57.879 the the suspect this would be killer knew what was coming, which there's probably 89 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.560 gonna be a deadly force on him. He jumped off of Ascer McGuffey and 90 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:09.519 late on the ground, terribly surrendering when he was killing the defenseless policeman before. 91 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.839 He wasn't going to face somebody that knew his His goal was to was 92 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.959 to kill um. He managed, He managed a sneaked out attack and an 93 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:25.279 ambush on on Ascer mccuffee and Sergeant I know from our discussions of yesterday that 94 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:31.000 police officer Terry McGuffey is sixty four years old. He's been a cop in 95 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:36.079 Cincinnati for thirty three years. Could have retired a few months ago with full 96 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:41.600 benefits, whatever, but well he actually years ago three years are you got 97 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.600 to retire? But he said, I like what I'm doing years ago. 98 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.040 Yeah, I like what I'm doing. And the other thing is, h 99 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:51.199 Cincinnati needs me because we used to have a full complement of officers. Don't 100 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:56.199 have it now. And uh, and I think you told me he was 101 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.720 a slight He is a slight man like five eight five nine tussling with someone 102 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.079 six fourth, three hundred pounds and physically he'd have no chance. He's a 103 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:13.759 grandfather. And Brandon, what can you tell us about Brandon Claiborne's previous history 104 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.279 thirty four years old? Later on we have one of his previous attorneys, 105 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.720 James Bogan, coming up, who represented Brandon Claiborne on other criminal charges. 106 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:31.279 But he's got his severe previous criminal passed along with mental So this is a 107 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:37.840 mentally deranged career criminal intent on killing a white police officer. Is that correct? 108 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.240 Really? That's that was his goal, that was his stated goal. 109 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.919 I did not get to look at his his record. I was at the 110 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.759 hospital of the majority of the time yesterday, and I've heard that he does, 111 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.519 say have extensive record. I got a text from a policeman that said 112 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:03.360 he recently had to use a taser to subdue mister Clayborne, so I think 113 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.639 he also. I heard he's just known as a as a street character. 114 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.360 That's what I guess the term, I'll use the street character. Down in 115 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:15.879 our District one or downtown area, we have so many uh there that that 116 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.960 are somewhat homeless or in and out of shelters. Uh you know they uh 117 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:26.519 they often are in in one particular shelter called the Hamlet County Justice Center. 118 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.000 Um so whether whether they're getting three hots and a cot from one of the 119 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.240 one of the shelters or three hots and a cop from the Hampton County in 120 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.320 Uh, they tend to hang out downtown a lot, and I don't know 121 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.399 if he was bagging on the streets at times. I don't know what his 122 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.840 all his activities were, but I know that often, uh he he got 123 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.879 the attention of the police down there. And obviously when somebody they you know, 124 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.799 acting in the way that he was, you know, standing people from 125 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.399 moving about and then you know, exposing themselves. The shadow boxing apparently too. 126 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.080 Obviously, this was a site that concerned people that are down there to 127 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:15.000 do normal things like played pickleball or walked walk with a loved one or or 128 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.039 a kid or whatever activities in which that park was built for, not for 129 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.320 not for thugs like just to go and ruin others people's days. But you 130 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.799 know, look at the one of the things. My cops are very very 131 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.879 frustrated, William. The personnel issues are what frustrating them. And you know, 132 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.039 look at the District five thing. Ideally we should have invested money and 133 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.000 had another district, but they decided to go down to four districts. And 134 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.600 if they would have done that in Central Business Section District two, some of 135 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.720 the districts that don't have hardly anybody because they don't have quite the radio call 136 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.320 volume that a District three or District four does they would have got some more 137 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.720 people. Maybe Terry's back up would have been closer, but you know, 138 00:10:54.759 --> 00:11:00.399 they delayed that. And the word I have is, and you know, 139 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.000 maybe you ask the manager of this, is that they delayed this because they 140 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.600 wanted to get past the August election. They don't want a whole bunch of 141 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:13.639 people in College Hill and in more Shide and Mount Airy all pissed off because 142 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.120 they no longer have a police district close. And I know what the chief 143 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.759 says, that you have people patroling the beat I want. It takes you 144 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.399 forty minutes from your place on Ferguson to get to your beat, and forty 145 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.879 minutes and traffic to get back. It's going to take patrol time away. 146 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.279 So ideally there should be a District five. But when they finally came up 147 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.879 with some solution to get out of that building where they're where they're they're next 148 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.879 to a daycare center, checking your shotguns and their rifles, and they were 149 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:41.840 getting chased out of there because it didn't have earthquake proof. You know what, 150 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.799 probably have earthquake here in Cincinnati every other day the ground is shaken. 151 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:52.399 Will Yeah, that was Yeah, that could not be a police district by 152 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.519 by code because of an earthquake. Yeah, firthquake. A matter of fact, 153 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.960 I think I feel the ground shaking right now. I feel a shame. 154 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.279 Let's deal on this issue. You told me personally that this hurts you 155 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:11.039 because of your relationship with Officer Terry McGuffey. The kind of person he was 156 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.039 had no chance to defend himself and he was. He was within a few 157 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.919 seconds or a minute of either being blind in both eyes and or murdered. 158 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.080 I saw your point and this affected you personally. Yeah. No, just 159 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.559 Harry and I go way back. I did a lot of years, uh 160 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.320 as the canine Tartan, and we worked out of the park office the King 161 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.000 un did up in Mount Airy that that that station never no longer exists, 162 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.720 but the because the park Police no longer existing for some time, Terry was 163 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.559 assigned to the park Police, and uh he was. He was my ray 164 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.720 or lunch buddy. William asked to say it, Uh, Terry. I 165 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:54.080 enjoyed Terry's company, He at least acted like he enjoyed mine. And uh 166 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.480 so, uh, you know, I got to hear about his kids and 167 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.000 they were involved in athletics and you know we're friends and uh, you know 168 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:07.679 we still run into each other pretty pretty commonly. He's he's very active with 169 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.519 our police. Uh child's Christmas party that we have, I'm sorry, the 170 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.679 fop chiuse Christmas party that we have every year. He wraps presents and puts 171 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.480 things together. Um, he's a co chair of that. So I see 172 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.279 him down here at Union Hall a lot. Uh. We still cross paths, 173 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.000 had lunchtime from time to time downtown. Uh. Terry mcguffee is my 174 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:35.320 friend. And seeing him beating this way, uh it it accepted me very 175 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.320 much personally. I feel responsible is I tried to put pressure to do more 176 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.440 about street main power for our cop and you know, at that moment, 177 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:48.639 I felt like I failed my friend because you know, there's some things that 178 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:50.720 have been done but not enough. They're just not enough street coverage out there. 179 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.159 And uh and and and we almost lost Terry because of it. Well, 180 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.799 lastly, I would say this, Sergeant Dan Hills the twenty thirty years 181 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:05.200 ago go if a character like Brandon Clayborne over his lifetime demonstrate a profound mental 182 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.360 illness and criminal activity, he would have been committed to a long View State 183 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.759 Mental Hospital for a long period of time. There would have been a ten 184 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.679 day hearing, a thirty day hearing, a six month hearing, a one 185 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.360 year hearing, and then a commitment to get him the help he needs. 186 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.279 Instead of living on the streets, assaulting people, displaying junk and criminal misbehavior. 187 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.559 In the old days, none of this would have happened. He would 188 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.320 have been locked up a long time ago until he was restored to sanity. 189 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:37.879 You cannot have large, angry men on the streets of Cincinnati wanting to hurt 190 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:43.240 citizens and or quote white police officers end quote, at the same time suffering 191 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:48.519 from profound mental illness. He is a paranoid schizophrenic with effective components, and 192 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.200 you put all those things together, this was going to happen. It could 193 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.519 have been a jogger, could have been a pickleball player, could have it 194 00:14:54.639 --> 00:15:01.320 just happened to be your buddy and Terry mcguffee and I offer eye condolences. 195 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.039 Wouldn't be the right word. Outrage that we live in a system where these 196 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.919 individuals walk around and they're living at tender mercies. They get three when they 197 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.679 do something. They want a hot meal, they go to the Justice Center, 198 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.600 which is the largest mental hospital in the Tri State. Sergeant Dan, 199 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.559 we got to go, but I want to get the message out and thank 200 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.440 you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you Dan, you're bad. 201 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.440 Well, thanks for hi. Let's continue. So the way things are 202 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:35.840 today your comments, Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WW No, that's amazing. 203 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.480 Chicago is called the windy City, but it has nothing to do with 204 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.960 the weather. 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