WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.839 In that same area. I had a newbie with me, you know, 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.400 from from Texas, and I told him, I said, look, they're 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.439 coming up to the trailer at night. They were knocking on the wall by 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.800 my head where I was sleeping, and he gave me the end, now, 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.640 you know, obvious, incredulous, really, you know, or seriously, 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.000 and I knew, I knew it was a little more incredible, you 7 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:29.120 know, for him to kind of fully comprehend. The next night, he 8 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:34.079 jumped one outside of the trailer there. It took it took off and he 9 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:38.640 went one way, and the big guy went the other and he come jumping 10 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.880 back inside the trailer there and he goes something big just ran or you know, 11 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.200 way out there. And I didn't even look at him. I was 12 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.679 on my computer and then I looked over at him and I said, I 13 00:00:48.759 --> 00:01:29.000 told you so. I would like to welcome Richard Taylor to the show. 14 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.519 I first kind of met Richard on another podcast called Calling All Beans that I 15 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.400 sit in from time to time. I sit in help them co host and 16 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.400 talk to their different guests. Great group of people. They're kind of from 17 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:47.680 the UFO world. So I'm kind of a fish out of water over there. 18 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.599 But every now and then they dip their toes into the big Foot world. 19 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.560 And Richard was one of their guests, and I, like I said, 20 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.079 I sat in with that conversation and I was just really fascinated by a 21 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:04.280 story. And I feel very fortunate to have him on Bigfoot Crossroads. Richard, 22 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.319 how are you, sir? I am doing very well, Matt, 23 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:15.319 and I thoroughly appreciate you giving me the chance to share on your show. 24 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.639 I love it. It's a passion of mine. And you're You're a Texan, 25 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.879 yes, yes, sir, and I'm an Okay, So I just 26 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:29.479 want you know the world to see that we can get along. Oh yeah, 27 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:35.319 and you probably wear wear cowboy boots sometimes and not in a long time, 28 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:40.039 not in a long time, but part of Oklahoma. I'm way up 29 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:46.560 in Tulsa, Okay, up here in the northeast corner. Yes, I'm 30 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:53.439 very very aware of that. And I've gotten up there near Jay, Oklahoma, 31 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:59.240 which is way up there close to my Miama. You know, some 32 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:04.560 people would call it Miami. Well those people are from Florida. They're not 33 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.400 from Oklahoma. That's it. That's it. You know, you say Miami 34 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.039 and they'll kind of give you look up there, but yeah, I had. 35 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:20.680 I had a pretty good time up there with a full blood Cherokee tribal 36 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:25.159 member. My grandmother was was full blood Cherokee uh No Wada. She was 37 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:31.319 out of the Wada area. And my mother was actually born in an unincorporated 38 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:39.879 area called Iron Post, Okay little uh Shack. Actually she was delivered by 39 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:46.719 a midwife named Rachel Big Feather. And I showed my Scots, Irish, 40 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.439 Dutch, in German blue hazel, you know, hazel eyes, lighter complexed, 41 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.159 showing you know, some Cherokee features, but the lighter, you know 42 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.719 side of my blood light which I'm equally proud of the Scott's, Irish, 43 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:05.400 Dutch and German as well as my native blood. You know, it was 44 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:12.960 kind of an interesting thing. I'm going to Kentucky next week with the KBrO 45 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:20.439 Charlie Raymond's the director of it. And Kentucky was the original Cherokee land before 46 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:27.079 the European settlers and the president decided to move them out for their own good, 47 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.519 you know, in four thousand of them died in the process. If 48 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:39.639 they had the symbient relationship that some of the Cherokee elders and storytellers relate, 49 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:46.480 one of which was Larry Shade. They talk about the uni Udalwihi okay, 50 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.800 and I'm my my Cherokee. What little I may speak, you know, 51 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:57.480 my grandmother was fluent Nance, and uncles were fluent, probably a slanted English, 52 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:03.639 and my pronunciation is probably horrible. But that loosely translated as forest beings 53 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:11.040 of the lost tribe. And my passion is if this was original Cherokee land, 54 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.959 and the Cherokees would vetable roots and berries out for the big guys, 55 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.360 and in turn the big guys would watch over him during hunting and gathering endeavors 56 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:28.040 that could easily spill into modern day you know, possibly understanding. So I 57 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:32.040 was out there, Oh it was over a year ago, and I was 58 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:36.639 watching. I can tell you this much. It was a tall, upright 59 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:45.519 bipedal figure at about one hundred yards along a thickly wooded river bank, moving 60 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.480 around watching us. Okay, I couldn't get a clear shot because of the 61 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:55.680 gaps and brush and leaves and the trees, but as it moved around I 62 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.839 could tell it was tall and upright, walking on two legs. I later 63 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.639 determined the height to be about ten feet eight to ten feet, you know, 64 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:10.120 using tree markers that I went out in the daytime and looked at and 65 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.800 measured. No clothing lines, you know, no gaps or variations on the 66 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.040 thermal signature which clothing will give if you're looking at it through a thermal scope. 67 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.800 Could have been in an NBA basketball player out there without a stitch of 68 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.199 clothes on, not using a flashlight, out in the middle of noteware and 69 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.120 not impossible, but not likely at all, you know, given you the 70 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:41.600 reports and other other evidence there that it was most likely the big guys. 71 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.120 And when this other person in the group came up, he was a newbie 72 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.160 and Matt, this is one of my passions when people have that aha moment, 73 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:54.120 you know, he came over there. He was using a red light, 74 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.839 you know, the red dim game light, not to ruin your night 75 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.360 vision. But it was almost pitch black, and there was a group of 76 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.480 about eight around a small fire there that I had left to go look along 77 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.680 this river. I had that feeling, you know, a sixth sense or 78 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.800 whatever, no one kind of where to look. And he goes, what 79 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.040 are you doing, Rick, And I said, I'm watching a big guy, 80 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.279 you know, down by the river. And he goes, oh, 81 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.120 really, he said, man, I wish I could. I said, 82 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:25.399 hey, here, I handed him, you know, my fla scope, 83 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.560 and I told him where to look, you know, ten o'clock position from 84 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.680 where we're standing and facing and I said, do you see him? And 85 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.120 he goes, yeah, yeah, I can see him, his sitting shoulders. 86 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.240 He's peeking out from behind a tree. I said, yeah, that's 87 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.079 him. I said, there may be another one over there. I'm not 88 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.160 sure. I was getting kind of a variation in two areas. I said, 89 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.600 watch him, you know, and just watch and see what he does. 90 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.920 Well, about that time, Matt, there was the river was down 91 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:01.439 there in a perpendicular angle to us, but there was a another little creek 92 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.279 that came up by us, i'd say about one hundred feet to our right. 93 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.560 That was little vegetation and trees and stuff. And we started hearing subtle 94 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:15.199 movement on our flank, which in my experience, these subjects do. They're 95 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:18.759 curious. They'll flank you, they'll follow you, they'll parallel you, you 96 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:24.720 know, and watch just watchers if you will, you know. And so 97 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.879 we could hear that movement and I told the guy stand and I said, 98 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.279 do you hear this off to our right, and he goes, yeah, 99 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.440 yeah, I can hear it. I said, watch the big guy and 100 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.440 tell me if he does anything. And while he's watching the big guy, 101 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.080 I spoke out. I said, gut the who stay dejah, you know? 102 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.600 And I said, did the guy do anything? He said no, 103 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.720 We're still watching. And I was asking, what is your name? You 104 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.799 know in Cherokee, and and so I said watch him, and I said 105 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.720 it more expressively. I said, gut the who stay dang a dole, 106 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.960 what is your name? You know? What is your name? And off 107 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.159 to our right in that where we heard that subtle movement bias Matt, I 108 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.639 heard this big, deep, deep, deep bull frog deep voice, go 109 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:22.600 claw, which is no in Cherokee. You know. I'm not gonna tell 110 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:28.720 you I'm not talking exactly, you know, I mean, it was kind 111 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.360 of It was a good time with me. So I'll occasionally, you know, 112 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.200 talk to him, you know, make and again, I am far 113 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.840 from fluent. I couldn't sit down and carry on a decent conversation. But 114 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.960 I can converse greet, you know, and a few words. It's the 115 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:52.639 language of my grandmother. I'm very proud of it. But I'm equally proud 116 00:09:52.679 --> 00:10:00.320 of my other bloodlines, but I've often thought that maybe a Native blood lying 117 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:05.879 lineage may have a little bit better time conversing or interacting with these I won't 118 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.000 ever know for sure, but but I know I've I've not had any problems 119 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:18.480 when I'm out there getting getting interaction. I was just gonna say, you 120 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:24.279 know, coming from Oklahoma, you know, former Indian Territory as it was 121 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:31.000 called. Yeah, a lot of my Bigfoot endeavors have involved going out with 122 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.759 Native American people and people of Native American descent, and you hear all kinds 123 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.279 of stories, you know, especially from these small Native American communities where these 124 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:48.759 things are just known about. They're very active in those areas, and they're 125 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:54.840 just something seems to be like you're saying some sort of connection for some reason. 126 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:03.120 I don't know if the Bigfoot for some reason feels more comfortable around them, 127 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.200 or what the deal is. But we had a very very dear friend. 128 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.039 He's no longer with us, but his name was Randy, and we 129 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:18.759 called him the Bigfoot Magnet, and he was a Kyowa preacher and he just 130 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.279 he could find these things, he could sniff him out, and he would 131 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.480 go out there and he would talk to them like you're saying yeah, you 132 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.360 know. He would say hello, what is your name, I'm your friend, 133 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.960 you know, things like that, that sort of a statement, and 134 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.679 in my opinion, he had very good success with it. It produced results. 135 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:46.519 I think it hinges on this. Okay, the general public Matt considers 136 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:54.720 him a dumb ape you know, primate, very base, no intellect, 137 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:03.720 no cognitive thinking, and I think they can actually become offended when people are 138 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:09.000 out there just tromping around, banging on trees thinking they're going to throw something 139 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.879 out there, and these things are just going to kind of lumber up, 140 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.200 you know, as a dumb animal, or you know, throw out corn 141 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.240 like they do for deer, and they're gonna come eat, you know. 142 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.159 And it's it's just not that way. I know, in Jay Oklahoma up 143 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.039 there, you know, in your neck of the woods or further actually, 144 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:35.960 you know, further northeast, I met with a full blood tribal member and 145 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.679 that community. It wasn't in Joe, Oklahoma, but it was a rural 146 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:46.039 area close to that city. They called this particular subject the howler. Okay, 147 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:52.399 oh that's just a howler. And I've got a short video that I'm 148 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:58.480 shooting up on a ridge on his land there where the howler's coming up through 149 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.960 a and he's not trying to be stealthy at all. I could hear him 150 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:09.000 moving along there, and he was basically it sounded to me like a whoop, 151 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.039 you you know, whoop, you know, and just like he was 152 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:20.159 just singing a little ditty, you know while he was through the not any 153 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:26.440 big deal. And that landowner would leave out peanut butter. And I can 154 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.240 even send you the picture of the jar, but I was afterre On on 155 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.600 his Spence line, and he would leave jars of peanut butter along his Spence 156 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:39.639 Line property line for the howler. And I don't know if he stood there 157 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.879 and told him or yelled it out into the woods, but his agreement was, 158 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:48.320 I'll leave you these goodies out there. And this this dovetails right in 159 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.639 with what the Cherokee did in the original land. If you'll leave my my 160 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.320 my goats, my life, all my livestock, chickens and dogs alone on 161 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.960 my lag in, I'll leave you these goodies out there. You know. 162 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.159 It was a similar relationship. And I was walking with him when I saw 163 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.320 one of the jars, I said, is that one of the jars. 164 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.000 Yeah, it's on the fence posts. I said, the lids on it. 165 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.200 He said, yeah, they put the lid back on it so the 166 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.399 other varmints don't come get the goodies. And I pulled the jar down and 167 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.919 I looked inside and about two thirds of the peanut butter was gone. But 168 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.480 there was a distinct thumb an index swirl where they had put their big old 169 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.759 digits down in there. And you know, I got a big glob of 170 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:37.759 peanut butter out to munch on, and it wasn't a big deal there. 171 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:43.240 Now I have night vision of him in some brush and all it is is 172 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.879 a dot, you know. I mean, he's not out in the middle, 173 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.320 but he was. He was watching us at night. But I've got 174 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:54.279 some good audio and video of him coming up through the ravine there. And 175 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.799 the thing is, when the holler was close, Matt, those dogs they 176 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.799 were were with me, kind of following me, and when they heard that 177 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.919 movement, it wasn't, you know, hair bristling up on their back, 178 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.320 but it was their tails went to wagon and they shot off at Warped seven, 179 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.960 just like they were running out there to greet a good friend. They 180 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.080 were out there for a little while, no telling, getting fit, you 181 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.559 know, greeted, and then they came back tails a wagon. They weren't 182 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:26.200 a bit afraid of this subjects at all, no animosity. And I mean, 183 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.039 you hear so many stories, you know about them being dog killers and 184 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.519 put your dogs up and dogs disappear. But you're not the first person to 185 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:39.960 talk about that. Uh. You know, dogs seemingly being befriended by these 186 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.960 things and enjoying running around with them. Well, you know, I think 187 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:50.720 they they do for him. I think relationships with coyotes I've heard I've in 188 00:15:52.440 --> 00:16:00.039 around honab or Honaby or you know, an abbibi there, Oh, there 189 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.440 we go, Okay, Oh to be anyway, I've got a I've got 190 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:10.799 a audio from from my videos shooting I think, or it might be buon 191 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:15.159 digital. I'd have to go back and look. But it's a an old 192 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:22.039 man sounds like an angry old man kind of a howl that morphs into a 193 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.919 coyote call, and then a whole host of coyotes take off, you know, 194 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.480 and you can you can hear the coyote and then you hear this and 195 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:36.799 you can tell the acoustics, the resonance of it. It's very similar, 196 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:42.120 but not It's not a coyote at least not a fifty pound coyote. Maybe 197 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:47.720 maybe a five hundred pound coyote, you know, or whatever. But they're 198 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.320 actually stirring them up or calling them. I'm not sure, you know, 199 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.519 I don't know what the relationship is there, but I think, I think 200 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.639 probably and I do. I really do, Matt. When I go out 201 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:06.400 and if I'm with a research group, I try to break away from them, 202 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.640 and I try to tell the big guys, we're just here visiting. 203 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.599 You know, We're not going to hurt you. I show a little courtesy 204 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:21.279 and respect for their their their area, and it goes a long way for 205 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.400 me, Matt. It may be hard for somebody to swallow their pride and 206 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:33.279 think that way, but it's it served me very well, and I just 207 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:41.279 enjoy seeing what they do. We were there in the hone to be area, 208 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.640 and uh I was with One was mixed blood Cherokee, the other one 209 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.920 was mixed blood chopped tawk, you know. And we were sitting around a 210 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:57.519 campfire and I have never had so much stuff thrown continuously at us. Okay, 211 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:03.599 we weren't here, Okay, it was it was in my opinion, 212 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.960 good natured bantering back and forth. Okay, we would try to. We 213 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:12.759 would try to figure out which direction the last object thrown was coming from, 214 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.319 and when we could kind of get a roll or see it in the dim 215 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.519 camp firelight, we'd say, oh, it's coming back from there, off 216 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.480 to our left. It wouldn't. It wouldn't come from that way. For 217 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.839 a while, it had lobbed in from the other side of our camp. 218 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.440 It was like trying to guess where they were, and when we would kind 219 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.119 of pinpoint where they were, they would stop throwing from that direction. It 220 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.119 was cool. I mean, this went on for the better part of an 221 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:47.440 hour. I got night vision of one up in the split of a tree, 222 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:51.839 looking through the thick fork at us as they hung on the tree. 223 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:56.319 I called him the fire control officer. I caught another one side peaking maybe 224 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:02.000 a hundred yards down in this clearing. No telling how many were there. 225 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.680 But the thing that happened is two of them were setting in the chairs by 226 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.839 the campfire. I had got up out of the chair and I was scanning, 227 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.160 not trying to trick him that they knew I had the scope. I 228 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.599 was just you know, panning and scanning and talking, and I'd let it 229 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.039 rest on my chest and then I'd pick it back up and look some more. 230 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.480 But I wasn't like hiding behind it. I wasn't trying to trick him. 231 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.400 I wasn't trying to hide it, you know. And so at one 232 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.640 point, this object, let's say, I think it was a piece of 233 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.839 bark, come rolling in. It came to a stop, and the guy 234 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:42.119 that was he was collecting this got up out of his chair to walk over 235 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.799 to pick it up. And as he's walking over there, he kind of 236 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:51.119 just, you know, jokingly, says, can't you guys throw this stuff 237 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:56.359 closer so I don't have to get up. Five seconds after the man said 238 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.480 that, I'm standing behind his folding camp chair and I hear the thump in 239 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.839 the center of the seat of that folding chair, and I looked down and 240 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:14.160 turned on my cap light and there was a quarter size rock setting right in 241 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:19.119 the middle of his chair. After about five five seconds after making that statement, 242 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:25.759 Now you tell me that doesn't show, you know, intellect, cognitive 243 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.160 thinking and banter, you know, and joking all rolled up into one. 244 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.039 They were engaging us, and it was it was funny. He said, 245 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.279 what was that. I said, he just put a rock in your chair, 246 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.559 and we all three started busting out laughing. He kept the rock, 247 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.759 He still got it, I guess. But for them to have that accuracy, 248 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:51.720 also the angle and accuracy it would take to drop that rock in his 249 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.079 chair and not have it bounce out in a way, I'm going to tell 250 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.559 you that that is some pretty skillful throwing in my opinion. You know, 251 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:07.000 I was just a guest on one of the kind of shows Bigfoot I Witness 252 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.759 Radio, and we talked about that about you know, you picture this giant, 253 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.319 hulking beast, you know, ten feet tall, four feet wide or 254 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:22.720 whatever. How do they have such amazing accuracy with throwing things through the woods 255 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.920 in the dark, and how they thread them through the limbs and branches without 256 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:33.440 you hearing them there a matter of fact, in Honaby, I was down 257 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:41.039 in the river bottom there by one of the rivers, and I had it 258 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.400 was either four or five movies with me they had. I was selling some 259 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:52.240 of my tapes and pictures at the Honeaby Bigfoot conference, and one older gentleman 260 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.799 I had people coming up and they were looking at pictures. You know, 261 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.720 I had people roll their eyes like, okay, their photoshop joker. Yeah 262 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.880 right, and that type of stuff. You get that all the time, 263 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:08.200 and and it look it doesn't. I don't. I'm not personally offended. 264 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:14.160 I know myself. I know what I've done. No smoking mirrors. I've 265 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.279 had third party witnesses with me on a bunch of this. So anyway, 266 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.920 he's standing off to the side and I'm kind of busy and he's not buying 267 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:27.200 anything or asking any questions. But after everybody cleared out, he looked at 268 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.319 you know, it was just me and him. He looked at me and 269 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.519 he pointed to one of my posters or pictures you know, that I had. 270 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:38.359 He goes, that's real, and if I looked at him, and 271 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:42.200 I said yeah, I said, I took the picture, you know video. 272 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.400 This is a picture clip from my video. I took it. You 273 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.880 know, I know it's real, and he goes, yeah, it's it's 274 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.759 not. This is not a photoshop. And at that point he's got my 275 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:59.000 interest. I said, okay, I said, what qualifies you to make 276 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.119 you know, to form that opinion, And he said, I'm a retired 277 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.480 engineer. I worked for NASA and I did work on the Moon videos and 278 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.240 pictures, you know, the Moon mission shots, you know, a follow 279 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.680 eleven all the way up to whatever. And he said, I retired from 280 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.240 NASA. I said, well, that sounds like you pretty well know what 281 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.519 you're talking about. He says, yeah, you've got some pretty good stuff 282 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:22.880 here. He said, man, you know it's not crystal clear, but 283 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.200 this isn't photoshop stuff. I said, well, thank you. It makes 284 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.440 me feel a lot better. You know, I have an expert expert, 285 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.480 he said, Man, he said, I wish I could go. I 286 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.640 said, hey, look, what are you doing? After five? I 287 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:38.279 said, I'll close you know, my booth then and I said, I'll 288 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.559 take you to an area. We're there. The big guys are out there, 289 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.799 he said, right here. I said, yeah, not very far. 290 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.039 I said, they're all in through these Kaiamichi mountains, you know, 291 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.720 and there's some areas where they are. Well, long story short, we 292 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.640 got down into an area. We were paralleled, we were tracked. They 293 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:02.680 heard huffing, and one just didn't come out. And you know, I 294 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:10.559 did get a brief U thermal clip of one retreating through the woods from us. 295 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:12.680 It's just a brief, but it's a cool it's a cool video. 296 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.559 But we were way back in the in the woods there, and the man, 297 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.559 like I said, was older and he was getting a little bit tired. 298 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.079 But the funny thing was, Matt Is there was a Tinker Air Force 299 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:34.160 but base Air Force flight Line U technician with us. There was an active 300 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:40.279 I want to say it was a Ponca City public public safety officer. Uh, 301 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:44.680 you know law enforcement, you know, rolled into one. Uh, 302 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:51.240 just a couple three in this retired NASA engineer and a couple of a couple 303 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.119 other guys from from the festival there. I can't remember exactly what they did, 304 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.640 but anyway, they were, they were down in there, and they 305 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:04.160 were they were really, you know, kind of neutral on these things. 306 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:08.240 But by the time all this stuff that was happening down in there, some 307 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.599 of them were freaking out. And the thing was that public safety officer was 308 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:18.559 the most nervous. And I saw probably a grapefruit sized rock hit about a 309 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:25.079 foot behind him and he jumped three foot up in the air. Okay, 310 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:30.079 he was fooded, you know, at all the people there, they were, 311 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.799 they were throwing stuff closest to the most nervous one. Now you tell 312 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.960 me if that isn't isn't intuitive in and of itself. Okay, they they 313 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.319 knew who the guy there was that was the most nervous, and they were 314 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.839 messing with him, not maliciously. But I'm going to tell you this is 315 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.880 that part about threading something through the thick foliage and branches. We had gotten 316 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.759 back there, and that engineer was getting a little bit tired, you know, 317 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.000 And I asked him, you know, you need set out and rest. 318 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.640 He said sure, And we found this area. It must have been 319 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.400 There were art structures in there, I mean huge arch structures, even a 320 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.680 couple of trees pulled up and forming an X, which might be don't come 321 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.480 in here. They might have been a little opended. I don't know. 322 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:21.599 But but we were sitting or standing around, resting back there, taking a 323 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:26.680 little break. This was about a three foot in diameter oak tree trunk, 324 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.640 big big oak tree, and there was a root ball or not low on 325 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:36.440 the ground, made a perfect seat for the older gentleman to sit down and 326 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.839 rest. That public safety officer was on the other side of about three foot 327 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.559 gap between him and the other gentleman, and we were in the pitch dark. 328 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.279 Okay, we didn't hear any any you know, wishing or brushing through 329 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:59.279 the trees. But all of a sudden there was a loud whack. I 330 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.240 mean, I've got I've got an audio of it. Okay, this and 331 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.559 I raised my thermal and the branch came in. Was such a force it 332 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.720 was still spinning to a stop on the ground when I pulled pulled my thermal 333 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.759 scope up, looking towards the direction. But this, I want to estimate, 334 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:25.960 was about two and a half three foot long, five to seven inches 335 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:33.759 in diameter broken branch that was thrown from wherever and smacked that tree right between 336 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.319 the two men, a guy resting on one side of the tree and the 337 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.400 other gentleman sitting down on the side of the tree. Now you tell me 338 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.240 that wasn't accurate. I mean, neither one of them were hit. Either 339 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.799 one could have been hit, and it probably could have heard him, might 340 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.039 even killed him if it hit him in the hit, you know, but 341 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:59.240 that thing was threaded that close. And you hear you hear that public gave 342 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.480 safety s say did you what did you guys throw us up? And we're 343 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.839 all kind of a loose group there, no, no, no, And 344 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.000 he said, man, that's too close. I'm getting over by y'all. 345 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.799 You know, I mean, they just were messing with them, you know. 346 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:21.119 And again we had nobody was you know, nobody was injured or anything. 347 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:26.440 Now I had I don't talk about this a lot matt In in certain 348 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:37.160 groups other than seeing the big guys, I have experienced stuff associated with them 349 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.400 or I have reason to believe it's associated with them, that go into an 350 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:49.480 area of what some researchers have this this very rigid uh. I want to 351 00:28:49.559 --> 00:29:00.400 call it expectation biased prejudice. They form a line in their information gathering and 352 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:07.599 they filter out stuff that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas as to what these subjects 353 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.400 are are what they are not, you know, rather than not that they 354 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:18.759 have to agree or accept, but keep an open mind. That's I mean, 355 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.279 that's that's part of the recipe for a true scientific method. Yeah, 356 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:30.920 that's something that really boggles my mind, you know. And I've been involved 357 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.200 in this for a little over twenty years now, and I've heard a lot 358 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.720 of people push, you know, science, we needed more scientific and more 359 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.759 serious about our research. Right. But if you ever had a scientist come 360 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:51.240 to their peers and say, well, this was my hypothesis, this was 361 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:59.759 my experiment, and I omitted all the observations that didn't support my hypothesis, 362 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.000 right, I mean, would that would be it for that scientist, you 363 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.599 know, like they would never get anything published. But yet that's what the 364 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.880 bigfoot community does time and time again. I'm not saying I won't say that 365 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:18.359 Bigfoot's doing anything paranormal. I don't know that. I never observed a bigfoot 366 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.160 doing anything that I considered paranormal. Yeah, but I don't know. I 367 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.160 don't. That doesn't mean they don't or that they don't have the ability to. 368 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599 And if I did observe that, I would have to say I observe 369 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:36.599 that exactly, And I don't think anybody should be crucified for it. Well 370 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.519 you had in some realms, and they'll even say no, no, no, 371 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.160 paranormal. I don't want to hear it. Okay, That to me 372 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.519 is expectation, bias, and prejudice, and it's a glaring manifestation. A 373 00:30:53.839 --> 00:31:03.039 true scientific method considers all possibility piece okay, before a final opinion. And 374 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:11.279 even in the scientific method, there are points where you get additional data you 375 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:17.799 have to go back and reevaluate your opinion. You know, and you know 376 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:26.759 all facts and circumstances to this point may support this hypothesis and theory until anything 377 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.960 else. Maybe it's just like what I do for a living is I do 378 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:37.079 fire and explosion investigations, okay, and it comes from my first career in 379 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.640 public safety. I spent twenty something years with the City of Houston, you 380 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:48.039 know, as an arson investigator captain in the Fire Marshal's office, and retired 381 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.640 from that, and for the last twenty plus years as a private investigator, 382 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.880 I conduct fire and explosion investigations. And you can go out and you can 383 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:04.039 look at a loss or an explosion side or a fire scene and with the 384 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.640 limited information, maybe not having an eyewitness available, somebody was killed or you 385 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.440 can't locate the eyewitness or the homeowner at that time. But you go in 386 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:22.400 and you forensically begin to form an opinion about where the fire started and how 387 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:29.920 okay, and you may get a pretty reliable sequence, you know, and 388 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:36.319 failure scenario and stuff in your head that makes perfect scientific sense. But then 389 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.319 the homeowner or somebody comes in and they go, oh, no, no, 390 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.480 no, that wasn't over here, it was over there, and this 391 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.880 was here and that, and they move stuff around in the puzzle and you 392 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:58.519 realize whoa this. You had a reliable you know, growth and spread, 393 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:02.480 your your patterns matched, but things were in the wrong spot. And until 394 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.519 you got additional information, okay, you know, the whole the whole picture 395 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.880 changed. Well, in these big big foot or big feats, you know, 396 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:21.160 whatever you want to call, people get glimpses, they get little snippets 397 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:30.000 and here and there and everything, and they they form hard opinions with very 398 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.759 very very little empirical knowledge, you know. I mean, it's it's it's 399 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:39.039 a bits and pieces. But I was with these guys, we were all 400 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:45.839 sitting there at a break. All of us heard the crunch, crunch, 401 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:52.200 crunch of footsteps on the trail about twenty feet in front of us, crossing. 402 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:59.480 Okay, I raised my flair scope fully expecting to see a thermal signature 403 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.519 of a of a tall mammal on two you know, two legs walk by 404 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:06.559 in front of us. I mean, I thought, man, I am 405 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:12.039 going to get a good video of this. And I'm looking and I'm following 406 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:16.840 the direction of the sound, and Matt, all I can see is this 407 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:24.760 faint white outline on the front side of this subject. Maybe it's the air 408 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:29.880 being disturbed or something, but it's a cold outline. I was in the 409 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.159 black hot mode. I was expecting to see a dark figure, but as 410 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.440 that line moved, I could clearly see the tree trunks, the rocks, 411 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:45.039 the vegetation, their heat signatures. This thing did not block out even block 412 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:51.199 out the thermal signatures. And yet all I could at the time, you 413 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:55.320 could hear my very incredulous. You know, I see something, you know, 414 00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.320 or so, I mean, I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to digest 415 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:08.360 what I'm just seeing. This thing's actually cloaking, uh in the infrared spectrum 416 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:14.800 of light. Basically it was cloaking. And yet everyone there could hear it 417 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.320 walking right by in front of us, about twenty feet in front of us. 418 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.599 And I've got a I've got an audio and you know video thermal clip 419 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.599 of that. I don't share that with a lot of people. You know, 420 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:31.960 you go into this cloaking issue and they'll they'll cut you off, they'll 421 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.280 tell you, you know, forget it, time out. You know, 422 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.480 I mean, how do you explain it? You you have thermal footage of 423 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:45.320 what you believe, and you know, I'm not saying it's not, but 424 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.400 you have a thermal footage of these creatures whatever you want to call them, 425 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.880 where they are showing up on thermal very clearly. Yes, yes, And 426 00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:01.360 then you have this situation, So why is this one different and the other 427 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.519 ones? You know, why don't they cloak all the time? Can some 428 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.920 do it and some not? What are these all bigfoot that are doing it? 429 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.599 Or are we just thinking they might be bigfoot? Like? How is 430 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.360 it even possible? Those are the questions that I want answered. Sure we 431 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:22.599 all do. I've certainly heard it enough to know that, like not everybody 432 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.400 is lying or making it up. And here you are. You've got other 433 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.960 witnesses supporting your claim, You've got the actual footage, You've got the physical 434 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:38.000 evidence to support it absolutely. I don't have all the answers. Something was 435 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:43.960 walking in front of us, tall and up right, okay, according to 436 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.960 that horizontal line that shows a head and you know the front part of it, 437 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.119 And could it have been the air? You know that it was disturbing 438 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.239 as it moved. I don't know. I mean, I don't have any 439 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:01.800 explanations for it. I do know in that same area I was out there, 440 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:08.800 there was a couple of Native American producers shooting some some very good night 441 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:15.039 vision video equipment, high dollar stuff. I can't remember their names, and 442 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.519 I don't want to take their thunder but if I and again I can't remember. 443 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.480 They didn't write their names down, but fairly well known in the Native 444 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:31.199 American you know, videographer, producer, type realm. And they were out 445 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:36.360 there with another mixed blood Native American and I happen to, you know, 446 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.480 have the you know, chance to be out there, and we were out 447 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.840 in this same particular area, and I just I let the let I was 448 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.159 just there as an observer. I wasn't active in anything. I was just 449 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.679 hanging out, which I love doing, I really do. I just like 450 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.599 to be out and around and observe people and see what the big guys are 451 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.360 going to do, you know, and have a great time. Well, 452 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:06.599 I purposely laid way back away and I could see him through the brakes in 453 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.599 the trees, and they were doing some filming and stuff over in a certain 454 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:16.480 area I want to say, fifty maybe seventy five yards away, and my 455 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:23.119 intent was to see if one of the big guys would closely approach them and 456 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.880 I could get a good flanking thermal video of it. You know, they 457 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.360 were showing up. Well, you know, on the night vision, there 458 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:37.400 wasn't that thick of vegetation. I was getting pretty decent video. And I 459 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:44.280 saw one of the guys move further out from the group, and I'm watching 460 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.320 him, and I could tell he might be hearing or seeing something. I 461 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.039 was too far away to hear, you know, the verbiage or audio of 462 00:38:53.280 --> 00:39:00.800 them. But he reached a point I could see him scanning with his camera, 463 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.400 you know, it was It was not super bulky, but it was 464 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:09.039 a lot bigger than a small cam quarter. And he's turning and then I 465 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:15.440 see him just suddenly stop. His body language changed, and I see him 466 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.039 pull away from his camera and he yelled something back to the other guys that 467 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.400 are I want to say, twenty thirty feet behind him. And then he 468 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.039 looks again, and then he drops his camera and he hurries back over to 469 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.320 the other group. But I don't see anything around the man at all. 470 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.920 Man, I didn't, but I observed that well. It was later I 471 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.400 asked him when we'd come back, come back, you know, to one 472 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.480 of the uh, you know, lodging places, and they were there. 473 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.800 I asked him about it, and he goes, oh, I hadn't shown 474 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.199 it to you. And I said, no, I said, what happened? 475 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.239 He said, I said, I was watching you through my thermal from 476 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:04.119 from a a position way away from your location, and I didn't want to 477 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.880 mess up anything you were trying to, you know. Get The man played 478 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:15.880 back the night vision video and it shows this camera looking down this trail and 479 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:25.800 Matt you can see the exhaled uh you know, air from something about five 480 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.320 or ten feet in front of him, and it's a lot taller because the 481 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.239 air it's like it's looking down but you don't see anything on the night vision 482 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.159 camera, but you actually hear the exhale and you see the you see the 483 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:47.760 breath of air. Wow, like the cold breath sale exactly exactly. And 484 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:53.159 that's when he turned around to make sure there one what did anybody? He 485 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.679 freaked out, Well, I mean I didn't number one. His camera didn't 486 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.159 pick it up on the night vision, you know. And I don't know 487 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.559 what spectrum. I mean, it's it's above my pay grade exactly what he 488 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.639 was using. But it looked great at night. But you can distinctly see 489 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:17.000 that cold exhale breadth from something standing about ten feet in front of him. 490 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.039 And he turned around to make sure nobody would you know, had come up 491 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.639 around in front of him. Yeah, And I didn't pick it up on 492 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.599 my thermal either, you know stuff like that. I don't have concrete answers 493 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:38.719 for mat I know they happened. I've had. There are no elk in 494 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.760 Texas other than maybe on some kind of you know, game preserve or something. 495 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.159 I was in East Texas, I want to say half dozen years ago, 496 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:58.480 give or take. I was there with two other researchers. It's the 497 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:05.000 same mountain or hill that I've got. If you go to YouTube and Bigfoot, 498 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.079 you know, enhanced version of Bigfoot setting up in a pine tree. 499 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:13.440 I think I'd have to write it down. I've got several. But I 500 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.079 watched a big guy from about five hundred and eight yards. He was sixty 501 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.400 feet up in a tree. A pretty decent video. I mean, it's 502 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.920 shaky. I didn't have high dollar stuff, still don't have real high dollars 503 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:28.800 stuff. But we were on the back side of that. And I was 504 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.559 in camp two of the other guys who are going to take a loop around 505 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.000 this, down this hill and come back to camp. I was cutting firewood 506 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.440 with a sawzall. I didn't have a chainsaw I had just an electrical saws 507 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.079 off. They do pretty good actually, you know, cutting smaller you know, 508 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.840 trunks and you know trees, they really do. They work pretty good, 509 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.519 better than saying saw in some instances. So I had that sawsag going 510 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.079 cutting, cutting up firewood for the camp. There was beside a logging road 511 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.480 and in between my cuts. Now, I can't tell you that for sure, 512 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.320 but I know I've heard the owl voices. I've seen a big alpha 513 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:13.719 male caucus head back and give the perfect barred alcohol. Didn't sound like an 514 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.920 eight pound bird. It sounded like something coming out of four JBL wolfers, 515 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:21.480 you know. I mean. The resonance shook almost shook the woods, I 516 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.199 mean, but it was authentic sounding. Just the resonance was not like a 517 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:30.880 little eight down bird. Some people think they can project their voice, okay, 518 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.880 or project sounds, throw their voice basically. Well, that's been proven 519 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.239 that the brand triloquists, you know, can can do that to an extent, 520 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:46.480 So it's not out of the realm of possibility. But between cuts with 521 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:52.679 that saws of not more than fifteen or twenty feet away and a little growth 522 00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:00.280 of fresh saplings maybe eight to ten foot tall. Loah lily saplings. I 523 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.199 heard the most perfect elk bugle. I mean sounded yes that we you know. 524 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.760 I mean it was like right there. I mean I stopped, I 525 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.920 dropped the saw, and I just I was motionless. Man, there's an 526 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.119 elk right up here. And I listened. There was leaves, there was 527 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:23.519 dry twigs and vegetation. There's no way a big thousand and twelve hundred pound, 528 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.920 fifteen hundred pound animal could have walked away without me hearing it. Okay, 529 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.920 I didn't do anything. I just sat there for about thirty seconds, 530 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:40.039 and then I started creeping over to those saplings and I'm looking and listening, 531 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.920 and I didn't hear anything. When I got up to and in the area 532 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.519 within those saplings where that that call came from, you know, it was 533 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.440 like right on top of me. And I know elk can injure or kill 534 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.360 you. So I was a little bit cautious. But I'm going to tell 535 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.519 you, man, I don't have an explanation for it. It was right 536 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.039 there on top of me. Yeah, I was. One time I was 537 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.159 in Texas as well, around the Lake Twaukney area, and uh, we 538 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.880 were there on an outing and we were in an area we were on some 539 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.280 old back road and on one side of the road, you had one of 540 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.239 those uh you know, hunting whatever you want to call it, like a 541 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:31.440 ranch basically where they do canned hunts. So they had a big, tall 542 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.440 security fence, you know, going down the side of the road so the 543 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.840 deer couldn't escape or whatever. And then on the other side, it's just 544 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.000 straight woods and there's a thinking. There's like five or six of us there, 545 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:51.639 and something came tearing through those woods right towards us. There's a there's 546 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:55.639 a big cedar tree next to the road, and this whatever it was, 547 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.400 it sounded like a bull elephant coming through the woods. I mean at one 548 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.519 point I literally thought, Okay, either there's a big foot coming right at 549 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:14.119 us or a cow got loose and is trumping through the forest. And this 550 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.400 thing gets right up on the back side of that cedar tree, you know. 551 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:24.840 And the cedar tree was probably maybe eight feet in diameter, you know, 552 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.320 big enough to block the view and everything. But this thing was close, 553 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.760 I mean, thrashing, limbs, snapping, I mean, here it 554 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.599 is, and it just comes to a dead stop right behind that cedar and 555 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.360 we're all standing there like, oh my God, you know, always waiting 556 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.559 for it to bust out the tree line, which they never do. So 557 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.000 you know, turn on the spotlights and start edging around that cedar tree and 558 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.920 that, I mean, there's just nothing there, just nothing. We never 559 00:46:53.039 --> 00:47:00.480 hear anything leave. It's just dead quiet, exactly exactly. I mean, 560 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.239 that doesn't freak me out like it used to do, because I'm going to 561 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.119 tell you, Matt, I've had so many twists and turns out there that 562 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.360 absolutely nothing surprises me. I could go into a lot more, and I 563 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.119 really didn't want to go on the paranormal slant, but you know, the 564 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:24.400 bottom line is this, I enjoy the ride. I don't make any hard 565 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:30.320 opinions. I've had so many of my opinions as to what could or would 566 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.280 or should or shouldn't have happened that I just keep an open mind and see 567 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.960 what, you know, see what's going to happen. The only caveat I 568 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:46.400 have, and this is I've been out by myself before and it's too long. 569 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.920 I wouldn't want to go into some other stuff. But you need to 570 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.280 go out there, you know, not by yourself. If people think that 571 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:04.599 it's Disneyland and benign and just fun in games. Look, people disappear in 572 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.760 the woods and I you know, there's plenty opinions there, but there are 573 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:15.000 things out there that will hurt or injure or kill you. And to not 574 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:21.199 be prepared, okay and have some form of safety plan or backup plan in 575 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.159 place, is very foolish. I emphasize this, be safe out there, 576 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:31.559 you know, and going pairs or groups, but going out there by yourself, 577 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.199 I wouldn't highly recommend it. If somebody wants to, that's their business. 578 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.000 But what injured and killed settlers one hundred years ago still lives out there, 579 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:52.079 okay. And you could run into a very hungry mountain lion that could 580 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.760 make short order of you. And they're pretty much all over North America, 581 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.960 and I've run into them in places I didn't. I had one on a 582 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:06.119 neighbor's we lived south of Houston, and it was about three in the morning, 583 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.480 and it was a rural not not just you know, it completely out 584 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:14.880 in the middle of nowhere, but it was a sparsely populated county road, 585 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.239 you know, with houses you know, peppered along the way, but heavily 586 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.280 wooded. And it was about three o'clock in the morning and my dog started 587 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.119 tearing it up, and I looked out the bedroom window expecting somebody to be 588 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.880 messing with my car parked there in the driveway. And if it hadn't have 589 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.599 been for the nice, beautiful, full lit moon night, I'd never noticed 590 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.559 this animal. But I looked up at the moon that was right over the 591 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:43.280 neighbor's house kind of you know, it had lit up the driveway. I 592 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.480 could see there was nothing near. But over the hip of that roof walked 593 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.760 a cat okay, at kind of an angle over that roof, and it 594 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.760 had a tail. It wasn't a big bobcat, and its back was half 595 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.400 again higher than the turbine vents on that that neighbor's roof. It was a 596 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:07.800 large cat with the tail slinking over Uh that that neighbor's roof no more than 597 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:15.159 twenty thirty feet away, Okay, I mean not something you would expect to 598 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.320 see, yeah, you know in that neighborhood and that area south of the 599 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.320 Houston metro area. But that cat was there, and it was on the 600 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:30.000 prowl. Okay. Um, I'm just saying you can run into things out 601 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:36.239 there that that uh not not not safe to run into. Man, I'm 602 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.719 not trying to steer people. I just be aware. I agree, you 603 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:46.119 know, Uh, obviously it makes for good radio or TV here or whatever 604 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:52.800 to put out these uh stories about you know, uh, people getting taken 605 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.360 and murdered by Bigfoot and dog Man and everything else. And I'm not saying 606 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.679 that doesn't happen on occasion. I don't know. I don't want it to 607 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.719 happen to me. But there are plenty of things, like you were saying, 608 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.599 plenty of things out there before we even get get to that part that 609 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.639 can certainly take out a person and make you disappear in a hurry in the 610 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.519 woods. Yeah, and nobody, we don't let me give you. Yeah, 611 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.880 I've been attacked by farrell pit bulls out in the woods. Oh geez, 612 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.639 and yeah, yeah, something I think it was. I think it 613 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:36.639 was a grower's plot in a county park and he had the dogs there for 614 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:43.079 protection, you know, I guess against competition or whatever. And I fortunately, 615 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.559 being honorably retired law enforcement, I had one of my forty five's with 616 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:53.199 me, and you know it was all I mean, I'm out there scouting 617 00:51:53.239 --> 00:52:00.840 out white bass fishing spots along this heavily wooded creek in an area where my 618 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:07.360 son and I had our first experience, and nice blue northern had blown in, 619 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.280 you know, cool crisp, dry air, north wind. I was 620 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:15.199 walking south along the creek on a side trail, and all of a sudden 621 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:20.880 I heard this loud growl, maybe seventy five or a hundred yards away, 622 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.239 I was probably the trail I was on was paralleling the creek by about seventy 623 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.519 five hundred yards. And I looked the direction of this growl, and there 624 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:37.440 was a trail paralleling the creek, and up this rise broke a pitch black 625 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:45.440 pit bull okay, good size, barrel chested, and he was half half 626 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.559 running, you know, loping, nose up in the air, growling and 627 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.559 kind of barking, you know, snarling. I could tell he was getting 628 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.119 my scent. You know. I was north of them, and you know 629 00:52:55.239 --> 00:53:00.239 it was I mean, yeah, I was north of the north and was 630 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:07.760 blowing behind him. Right behind him was a tan pitbull and a marble almost 631 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:14.000 looked like a you know what a calico cap looks like, yeah, exactly, 632 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.480 And all three of them were kind of half loping along, noses in 633 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.960 the air, and I just look, without thinking, I had my forty 634 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.639 five out. I checked the cliff, I clicked it off safety, and 635 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.679 I went there wasn't anywhere to run, hide or climb. I eased back 636 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:37.199 behind a skinny way too skinny pine tree, and I just watched well. 637 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:44.400 As they got up to the intersection of that trail, that big black one 638 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:50.559 glanced over and he caught sight of me. He immediately turned ninety degrees straight 639 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.360 towards me. Ears pinned down, and he hit passing gear. He was 640 00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:00.920 coming at warp seven at me, and I drew a bead. He what 641 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.719 zig zagony was coming straight for me. I got a good clear bead on 642 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.639 him, and in my head map I said, turn dog, I don't 643 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.880 want to shoot you, turn stop, you know. And I probably let 644 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:17.159 the dog get far closer to what most people they'd have probably been busting caps 645 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:24.079 immediately. I was waiting. But at some point the alarm, I guess, 646 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:28.239 he got within twenty twenty five feet of me an alarm, you know, 647 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.360 and my head said too close. And as I practiced at the police 648 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:36.119 range many times, I double tapped boom, boom, you know, quick 649 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.480 quick, double tap, and I never saw I was so focused in on 650 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.880 the lead dog. I never saw the tree that had fallen across the trail, 651 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:51.079 and there was about a foot gap on it was about two feet in 652 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.000 diameter, and it was about a foot gap beneath it. As I double 653 00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:00.400 tapped, that dog been kind of dipped down. I don't know if he 654 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:06.159 was dipping down the jump over the tree or he was dipping down to go 655 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.360 under the tree. But my first hot shot hit right at the top of 656 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.000 the tree, and I could see the dog's eyes closed and as head kind 657 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.079 of squint and turned to the side. Joe he squint had turned his head 658 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.119 to the side. I think pieces of the bark or whatever hit him. 659 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.400 He skidded to a stop behind the tree. In my second round hit a 660 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.599 dead center. I'd have hit him once out of the two or both. 661 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:36.199 Both shots didn't hit him, though, but that loud boom boom startled all 662 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.679 three of them. They did a one eighty and they took off. I 663 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.840 thought in my mind it could have dropped one or two on their turn, 664 00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.400 but as long as they were retreating, I didn't want to kill him. 665 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:50.719 I'm a dog lover. I've been around dogs all my life. But they 666 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.880 fled when they got back to that trail, and turned south. I could 667 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.119 hear a voice yelling, so I got as best as I could behind the 668 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:07.960 tree and this so he looked like a troll. Very grizzly guy, had 669 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:14.199 no gun or anything in his hand. Come up and called the three dogs 670 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.039 to him, and they were all on him and licking him and everything. 671 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.960 And he finally caught sight of me, and I said, hey, look, 672 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.760 your dogs attacked me. Hold him right there and I'll get out of 673 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:28.519 here. And that's what I did. I hit the trail running and didn't 674 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.000 stop till I got back to my car. But I can tell you this, 675 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:35.239 Matt. If I hadn't been armed that day, I probably wouldn't be 676 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.039 talking to you now. I'd probably I could see fending off maybe one with 677 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.320 a stick, but not three. They would have high loaded me. One 678 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:45.760 of them would have got me on the ground and it have been over with 679 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:52.079 brother, you know. Yeah, they'd have chewed me up. A buddy 680 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.360 of mine. One time. We are down in an area which you just 681 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.800 returned from, as a matter of fact, And yes, he was waiting 682 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:05.800 and some plaster cast to dry, uh down in a creek bed and looked 683 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.760 up just in time to see a Ferrell hog running up on him. Oh 684 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:15.920 yeah, yeah, it knocked him down and the fight was on and luckily 685 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.320 he was able to get back up to his feet and wow, get away 686 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.360 from him, and you know, it took back off. It was probably 687 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.079 you know, a mother with some piglets or something. But uh yeah, 688 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.519 you never know, you never know what's going to happen out there, one 689 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.880 of those big boys. And I've jumped some out here, you know, 690 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.239 in that area of the cedar trees. Um, they got some pretty good 691 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.760 tufts. If they ripped, if they rip your achilles on the back of 692 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:45.360 your leg, you're you're. They can cut your legs out from under you 693 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:51.360 and then it's all over. Well, this one put a big old gash 694 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.159 in his leg and a rip up his jeans. Uh wow, yeah, 695 00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.840 wow, fortunate, very fortunate, very fortunately. Yeah. And in Oklahoma, 696 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:05.320 in Texas, the feral hobbs are a big problem, you know. 697 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.079 But well, hey, I enjoyed talking and sharing. We can do this 698 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:14.079 again, so yeah, yeah, I'd like it very much. So I 699 00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.159 appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your stuff. You know, you've 700 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.800 been posting a lot of stuff on your Facebook page. Yes, yes, 701 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:27.119 do you have that stuff on a YouTube channel for people to check out. 702 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.239 You know, I've got it on Facebook. I've got a YouTube channel and 703 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:38.000 I think it's under Stewart Taylor my middle name. Best way on my book 704 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:45.639 is to just google Richard Taylor Bigfoot. That those three words Richard Taylor Bigfoot 705 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.599 on Google and it'll take you to the links to my book. And it's 706 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.679 a booklet. You know, it's not a thick, thick book, but 707 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:59.360 it has my early experiences, all of the picture clips and everything or mine. 708 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.239 I've had them within fifteen feet of me, Matt, you know, 709 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.079 there's not this. I thought I saw them. I'm looking at them eyeball 710 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:14.280 to eyeball, looking at their facial expressions. And that was with Arla once 711 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:20.280 in a lifetime experience. Man, it changed my whole thinking about these subjects. 712 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.760 And a little bit of courtesy and respect goes a long way with the 713 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:24.400 big guys.