In that same area. I had a newbie with me, you know,
from from Texas, and I told him, I said, look, they're
coming up to the trailer at night. They were knocking on the wall by
my head where I was sleeping, and he gave me the end, now,
you know, obvious, incredulous, really, you know, or seriously,
and I knew, I knew it was a little more incredible, you
know, for him to kind of fully comprehend. The next night, he
jumped one outside of the trailer there. It took it took off and he
went one way, and the big guy went the other and he come jumping
back inside the trailer there and he goes something big just ran or you know,
way out there. And I didn't even look at him. I was
on my computer and then I looked over at him and I said, I
told you so. I would like to welcome Richard Taylor to the show.
I first kind of met Richard on another podcast called Calling All Beans that I
sit in from time to time. I sit in help them co host and
talk to their different guests. Great group of people. They're kind of from
the UFO world. So I'm kind of a fish out of water over there.
But every now and then they dip their toes into the big Foot world.
And Richard was one of their guests, and I, like I said,
I sat in with that conversation and I was just really fascinated by a
story. And I feel very fortunate to have him on Bigfoot Crossroads. Richard,
how are you, sir? I am doing very well, Matt,
and I thoroughly appreciate you giving me the chance to share on your show.
I love it. It's a passion of mine. And you're You're a Texan,
yes, yes, sir, and I'm an Okay, So I just
want you know the world to see that we can get along. Oh yeah,
and you probably wear wear cowboy boots sometimes and not in a long time,
not in a long time, but part of Oklahoma. I'm way up
in Tulsa, Okay, up here in the northeast corner. Yes, I'm
very very aware of that. And I've gotten up there near Jay, Oklahoma,
which is way up there close to my Miama. You know, some
people would call it Miami. Well those people are from Florida. They're not
from Oklahoma. That's it. That's it. You know, you say Miami
and they'll kind of give you look up there, but yeah, I had.
I had a pretty good time up there with a full blood Cherokee tribal
member. My grandmother was was full blood Cherokee uh No Wada. She was
out of the Wada area. And my mother was actually born in an unincorporated
area called Iron Post, Okay little uh Shack. Actually she was delivered by
a midwife named Rachel Big Feather. And I showed my Scots, Irish,
Dutch, in German blue hazel, you know, hazel eyes, lighter complexed,
showing you know, some Cherokee features, but the lighter, you know
side of my blood light which I'm equally proud of the Scott's, Irish,
Dutch and German as well as my native blood. You know, it was
kind of an interesting thing. I'm going to Kentucky next week with the KBrO
Charlie Raymond's the director of it. And Kentucky was the original Cherokee land before
the European settlers and the president decided to move them out for their own good,
you know, in four thousand of them died in the process. If
they had the symbient relationship that some of the Cherokee elders and storytellers relate,
one of which was Larry Shade. They talk about the uni Udalwihi okay,
and I'm my my Cherokee. What little I may speak, you know,
my grandmother was fluent Nance, and uncles were fluent, probably a slanted English,
and my pronunciation is probably horrible. But that loosely translated as forest beings
of the lost tribe. And my passion is if this was original Cherokee land,
and the Cherokees would vetable roots and berries out for the big guys,
and in turn the big guys would watch over him during hunting and gathering endeavors
that could easily spill into modern day you know, possibly understanding. So I
was out there, Oh it was over a year ago, and I was
watching. I can tell you this much. It was a tall, upright
bipedal figure at about one hundred yards along a thickly wooded river bank, moving
around watching us. Okay, I couldn't get a clear shot because of the
gaps and brush and leaves and the trees, but as it moved around I
could tell it was tall and upright, walking on two legs. I later
determined the height to be about ten feet eight to ten feet, you know,
using tree markers that I went out in the daytime and looked at and
measured. No clothing lines, you know, no gaps or variations on the
thermal signature which clothing will give if you're looking at it through a thermal scope.
Could have been in an NBA basketball player out there without a stitch of
clothes on, not using a flashlight, out in the middle of noteware and
not impossible, but not likely at all, you know, given you the
reports and other other evidence there that it was most likely the big guys.
And when this other person in the group came up, he was a newbie
and Matt, this is one of my passions when people have that aha moment,
you know, he came over there. He was using a red light,
you know, the red dim game light, not to ruin your night
vision. But it was almost pitch black, and there was a group of
about eight around a small fire there that I had left to go look along
this river. I had that feeling, you know, a sixth sense or
whatever, no one kind of where to look. And he goes, what
are you doing, Rick, And I said, I'm watching a big guy,
you know, down by the river. And he goes, oh,
really, he said, man, I wish I could. I said,
hey, here, I handed him, you know, my fla scope,
and I told him where to look, you know, ten o'clock position from
where we're standing and facing and I said, do you see him? And
he goes, yeah, yeah, I can see him, his sitting shoulders.
He's peeking out from behind a tree. I said, yeah, that's
him. I said, there may be another one over there. I'm not
sure. I was getting kind of a variation in two areas. I said,
watch him, you know, and just watch and see what he does.
Well, about that time, Matt, there was the river was down
there in a perpendicular angle to us, but there was a another little creek
that came up by us, i'd say about one hundred feet to our right.
That was little vegetation and trees and stuff. And we started hearing subtle
movement on our flank, which in my experience, these subjects do. They're
curious. They'll flank you, they'll follow you, they'll parallel you, you
know, and watch just watchers if you will, you know. And so
we could hear that movement and I told the guy stand and I said,
do you hear this off to our right, and he goes, yeah,
yeah, I can hear it. I said, watch the big guy and
tell me if he does anything. And while he's watching the big guy,
I spoke out. I said, gut the who stay dejah, you know?
And I said, did the guy do anything? He said no,
We're still watching. And I was asking, what is your name? You
know in Cherokee, and and so I said watch him, and I said
it more expressively. I said, gut the who stay dang a dole,
what is your name? You know? What is your name? And off
to our right in that where we heard that subtle movement bias Matt, I
heard this big, deep, deep, deep bull frog deep voice, go
claw, which is no in Cherokee. You know. I'm not gonna tell
you I'm not talking exactly, you know, I mean, it was kind
of It was a good time with me. So I'll occasionally, you know,
talk to him, you know, make and again, I am far
from fluent. I couldn't sit down and carry on a decent conversation. But
I can converse greet, you know, and a few words. It's the
language of my grandmother. I'm very proud of it. But I'm equally proud
of my other bloodlines, but I've often thought that maybe a Native blood lying
lineage may have a little bit better time conversing or interacting with these I won't
ever know for sure, but but I know I've I've not had any problems
when I'm out there getting getting interaction. I was just gonna say, you
know, coming from Oklahoma, you know, former Indian Territory as it was
called. Yeah, a lot of my Bigfoot endeavors have involved going out with
Native American people and people of Native American descent, and you hear all kinds
of stories, you know, especially from these small Native American communities where these
things are just known about. They're very active in those areas, and they're
just something seems to be like you're saying some sort of connection for some reason.
I don't know if the Bigfoot for some reason feels more comfortable around them,
or what the deal is. But we had a very very dear friend.
He's no longer with us, but his name was Randy, and we
called him the Bigfoot Magnet, and he was a Kyowa preacher and he just
he could find these things, he could sniff him out, and he would
go out there and he would talk to them like you're saying yeah, you
know. He would say hello, what is your name, I'm your friend,
you know, things like that, that sort of a statement, and
in my opinion, he had very good success with it. It produced results.
I think it hinges on this. Okay, the general public Matt considers
him a dumb ape you know, primate, very base, no intellect,
no cognitive thinking, and I think they can actually become offended when people are
out there just tromping around, banging on trees thinking they're going to throw something
out there, and these things are just going to kind of lumber up,
you know, as a dumb animal, or you know, throw out corn
like they do for deer, and they're gonna come eat, you know.
And it's it's just not that way. I know, in Jay Oklahoma up
there, you know, in your neck of the woods or further actually,
you know, further northeast, I met with a full blood tribal member and
that community. It wasn't in Joe, Oklahoma, but it was a rural
area close to that city. They called this particular subject the howler. Okay,
oh that's just a howler. And I've got a short video that I'm
shooting up on a ridge on his land there where the howler's coming up through
a and he's not trying to be stealthy at all. I could hear him
moving along there, and he was basically it sounded to me like a whoop,
you you know, whoop, you know, and just like he was
just singing a little ditty, you know while he was through the not any
big deal. And that landowner would leave out peanut butter. And I can
even send you the picture of the jar, but I was afterre On on
his Spence line, and he would leave jars of peanut butter along his Spence
Line property line for the howler. And I don't know if he stood there
and told him or yelled it out into the woods, but his agreement was,
I'll leave you these goodies out there. And this this dovetails right in
with what the Cherokee did in the original land. If you'll leave my my
my goats, my life, all my livestock, chickens and dogs alone on
my lag in, I'll leave you these goodies out there. You know.
It was a similar relationship. And I was walking with him when I saw
one of the jars, I said, is that one of the jars.
Yeah, it's on the fence posts. I said, the lids on it.
He said, yeah, they put the lid back on it so the
other varmints don't come get the goodies. And I pulled the jar down and
I looked inside and about two thirds of the peanut butter was gone. But
there was a distinct thumb an index swirl where they had put their big old
digits down in there. And you know, I got a big glob of
peanut butter out to munch on, and it wasn't a big deal there.
Now I have night vision of him in some brush and all it is is
a dot, you know. I mean, he's not out in the middle,
but he was. He was watching us at night. But I've got
some good audio and video of him coming up through the ravine there. And
the thing is, when the holler was close, Matt, those dogs they
were were with me, kind of following me, and when they heard that
movement, it wasn't, you know, hair bristling up on their back,
but it was their tails went to wagon and they shot off at Warped seven,
just like they were running out there to greet a good friend. They
were out there for a little while, no telling, getting fit, you
know, greeted, and then they came back tails a wagon. They weren't
a bit afraid of this subjects at all, no animosity. And I mean,
you hear so many stories, you know about them being dog killers and
put your dogs up and dogs disappear. But you're not the first person to
talk about that. Uh. You know, dogs seemingly being befriended by these
things and enjoying running around with them. Well, you know, I think
they they do for him. I think relationships with coyotes I've heard I've in
around honab or Honaby or you know, an abbibi there, Oh, there
we go, Okay, Oh to be anyway, I've got a I've got
a audio from from my videos shooting I think, or it might be buon
digital. I'd have to go back and look. But it's a an old
man sounds like an angry old man kind of a howl that morphs into a
coyote call, and then a whole host of coyotes take off, you know,
and you can you can hear the coyote and then you hear this and
you can tell the acoustics, the resonance of it. It's very similar,
but not It's not a coyote at least not a fifty pound coyote. Maybe
maybe a five hundred pound coyote, you know, or whatever. But they're
actually stirring them up or calling them. I'm not sure, you know,
I don't know what the relationship is there, but I think, I think
probably and I do. I really do, Matt. When I go out
and if I'm with a research group, I try to break away from them,
and I try to tell the big guys, we're just here visiting.
You know, We're not going to hurt you. I show a little courtesy
and respect for their their their area, and it goes a long way for
me, Matt. It may be hard for somebody to swallow their pride and
think that way, but it's it served me very well, and I just
enjoy seeing what they do. We were there in the hone to be area,
and uh I was with One was mixed blood Cherokee, the other one
was mixed blood chopped tawk, you know. And we were sitting around a
campfire and I have never had so much stuff thrown continuously at us. Okay,
we weren't here, Okay, it was it was in my opinion,
good natured bantering back and forth. Okay, we would try to. We
would try to figure out which direction the last object thrown was coming from,
and when we could kind of get a roll or see it in the dim
camp firelight, we'd say, oh, it's coming back from there, off
to our left. It wouldn't. It wouldn't come from that way. For
a while, it had lobbed in from the other side of our camp.
It was like trying to guess where they were, and when we would kind
of pinpoint where they were, they would stop throwing from that direction. It
was cool. I mean, this went on for the better part of an
hour. I got night vision of one up in the split of a tree,
looking through the thick fork at us as they hung on the tree.
I called him the fire control officer. I caught another one side peaking maybe
a hundred yards down in this clearing. No telling how many were there.
But the thing that happened is two of them were setting in the chairs by
the campfire. I had got up out of the chair and I was scanning,
not trying to trick him that they knew I had the scope. I
was just you know, panning and scanning and talking, and I'd let it
rest on my chest and then I'd pick it back up and look some more.
But I wasn't like hiding behind it. I wasn't trying to trick him.
I wasn't trying to hide it, you know. And so at one
point, this object, let's say, I think it was a piece of
bark, come rolling in. It came to a stop, and the guy
that was he was collecting this got up out of his chair to walk over
to pick it up. And as he's walking over there, he kind of
just, you know, jokingly, says, can't you guys throw this stuff
closer so I don't have to get up. Five seconds after the man said
that, I'm standing behind his folding camp chair and I hear the thump in
the center of the seat of that folding chair, and I looked down and
turned on my cap light and there was a quarter size rock setting right in
the middle of his chair. After about five five seconds after making that statement,
Now you tell me that doesn't show, you know, intellect, cognitive
thinking and banter, you know, and joking all rolled up into one.
They were engaging us, and it was it was funny. He said,
what was that. I said, he just put a rock in your chair,
and we all three started busting out laughing. He kept the rock,
He still got it, I guess. But for them to have that accuracy,
also the angle and accuracy it would take to drop that rock in his
chair and not have it bounce out in a way, I'm going to tell
you that that is some pretty skillful throwing in my opinion. You know,
I was just a guest on one of the kind of shows Bigfoot I Witness
Radio, and we talked about that about you know, you picture this giant,
hulking beast, you know, ten feet tall, four feet wide or
whatever. How do they have such amazing accuracy with throwing things through the woods
in the dark, and how they thread them through the limbs and branches without
you hearing them there a matter of fact, in Honaby, I was down
in the river bottom there by one of the rivers, and I had it
was either four or five movies with me they had. I was selling some
of my tapes and pictures at the Honeaby Bigfoot conference, and one older gentleman
I had people coming up and they were looking at pictures. You know,
I had people roll their eyes like, okay, their photoshop joker. Yeah
right, and that type of stuff. You get that all the time,
and and it look it doesn't. I don't. I'm not personally offended.
I know myself. I know what I've done. No smoking mirrors. I've
had third party witnesses with me on a bunch of this. So anyway,
he's standing off to the side and I'm kind of busy and he's not buying
anything or asking any questions. But after everybody cleared out, he looked at
you know, it was just me and him. He looked at me and
he pointed to one of my posters or pictures you know, that I had.
He goes, that's real, and if I looked at him, and
I said yeah, I said, I took the picture, you know video.
This is a picture clip from my video. I took it. You
know, I know it's real, and he goes, yeah, it's it's
not. This is not a photoshop. And at that point he's got my
interest. I said, okay, I said, what qualifies you to make
you know, to form that opinion, And he said, I'm a retired
engineer. I worked for NASA and I did work on the Moon videos and
pictures, you know, the Moon mission shots, you know, a follow
eleven all the way up to whatever. And he said, I retired from
NASA. I said, well, that sounds like you pretty well know what
you're talking about. He says, yeah, you've got some pretty good stuff
here. He said, man, you know it's not crystal clear, but
this isn't photoshop stuff. I said, well, thank you. It makes
me feel a lot better. You know, I have an expert expert,
he said, Man, he said, I wish I could go. I
said, hey, look, what are you doing? After five? I
said, I'll close you know, my booth then and I said, I'll
take you to an area. We're there. The big guys are out there,
he said, right here. I said, yeah, not very far.
I said, they're all in through these Kaiamichi mountains, you know,
and there's some areas where they are. Well, long story short, we
got down into an area. We were paralleled, we were tracked. They
heard huffing, and one just didn't come out. And you know, I
did get a brief U thermal clip of one retreating through the woods from us.
It's just a brief, but it's a cool it's a cool video.
But we were way back in the in the woods there, and the man,
like I said, was older and he was getting a little bit tired.
But the funny thing was, Matt Is there was a Tinker Air Force
but base Air Force flight Line U technician with us. There was an active
I want to say it was a Ponca City public public safety officer. Uh,
you know law enforcement, you know, rolled into one. Uh,
just a couple three in this retired NASA engineer and a couple of a couple
other guys from from the festival there. I can't remember exactly what they did,
but anyway, they were, they were down in there, and they
were they were really, you know, kind of neutral on these things.
But by the time all this stuff that was happening down in there, some
of them were freaking out. And the thing was that public safety officer was
the most nervous. And I saw probably a grapefruit sized rock hit about a
foot behind him and he jumped three foot up in the air. Okay,
he was fooded, you know, at all the people there, they were,
they were throwing stuff closest to the most nervous one. Now you tell
me if that isn't isn't intuitive in and of itself. Okay, they they
knew who the guy there was that was the most nervous, and they were
messing with him, not maliciously. But I'm going to tell you this is
that part about threading something through the thick foliage and branches. We had gotten
back there, and that engineer was getting a little bit tired, you know,
And I asked him, you know, you need set out and rest.
He said sure, And we found this area. It must have been
There were art structures in there, I mean huge arch structures, even a
couple of trees pulled up and forming an X, which might be don't come
in here. They might have been a little opended. I don't know.
But but we were sitting or standing around, resting back there, taking a
little break. This was about a three foot in diameter oak tree trunk,
big big oak tree, and there was a root ball or not low on
the ground, made a perfect seat for the older gentleman to sit down and
rest. That public safety officer was on the other side of about three foot
gap between him and the other gentleman, and we were in the pitch dark.
Okay, we didn't hear any any you know, wishing or brushing through
the trees. But all of a sudden there was a loud whack. I
mean, I've got I've got an audio of it. Okay, this and
I raised my thermal and the branch came in. Was such a force it
was still spinning to a stop on the ground when I pulled pulled my thermal
scope up, looking towards the direction. But this, I want to estimate,
was about two and a half three foot long, five to seven inches
in diameter broken branch that was thrown from wherever and smacked that tree right between
the two men, a guy resting on one side of the tree and the
other gentleman sitting down on the side of the tree. Now you tell me
that wasn't accurate. I mean, neither one of them were hit. Either
one could have been hit, and it probably could have heard him, might
even killed him if it hit him in the hit, you know, but
that thing was threaded that close. And you hear you hear that public gave
safety s say did you what did you guys throw us up? And we're
all kind of a loose group there, no, no, no, And
he said, man, that's too close. I'm getting over by y'all.
You know, I mean, they just were messing with them, you know.
And again we had nobody was you know, nobody was injured or anything.
Now I had I don't talk about this a lot matt In in certain
groups other than seeing the big guys, I have experienced stuff associated with them
or I have reason to believe it's associated with them, that go into an
area of what some researchers have this this very rigid uh. I want to
call it expectation biased prejudice. They form a line in their information gathering and
they filter out stuff that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas as to what these subjects
are are what they are not, you know, rather than not that they
have to agree or accept, but keep an open mind. That's I mean,
that's that's part of the recipe for a true scientific method. Yeah,
that's something that really boggles my mind, you know. And I've been involved
in this for a little over twenty years now, and I've heard a lot
of people push, you know, science, we needed more scientific and more
serious about our research. Right. But if you ever had a scientist come
to their peers and say, well, this was my hypothesis, this was
my experiment, and I omitted all the observations that didn't support my hypothesis,
right, I mean, would that would be it for that scientist, you
know, like they would never get anything published. But yet that's what the
bigfoot community does time and time again. I'm not saying I won't say that
Bigfoot's doing anything paranormal. I don't know that. I never observed a bigfoot
doing anything that I considered paranormal. Yeah, but I don't know. I
don't. That doesn't mean they don't or that they don't have the ability to.
And if I did observe that, I would have to say I observe
that exactly, And I don't think anybody should be crucified for it. Well
you had in some realms, and they'll even say no, no, no,
paranormal. I don't want to hear it. Okay, That to me
is expectation, bias, and prejudice, and it's a glaring manifestation. A
true scientific method considers all possibility piece okay, before a final opinion. And
even in the scientific method, there are points where you get additional data you
have to go back and reevaluate your opinion. You know, and you know
all facts and circumstances to this point may support this hypothesis and theory until anything
else. Maybe it's just like what I do for a living is I do
fire and explosion investigations, okay, and it comes from my first career in
public safety. I spent twenty something years with the City of Houston, you
know, as an arson investigator captain in the Fire Marshal's office, and retired
from that, and for the last twenty plus years as a private investigator,
I conduct fire and explosion investigations. And you can go out and you can
look at a loss or an explosion side or a fire scene and with the
limited information, maybe not having an eyewitness available, somebody was killed or you
can't locate the eyewitness or the homeowner at that time. But you go in
and you forensically begin to form an opinion about where the fire started and how
okay, and you may get a pretty reliable sequence, you know, and
failure scenario and stuff in your head that makes perfect scientific sense. But then
the homeowner or somebody comes in and they go, oh, no, no,
no, that wasn't over here, it was over there, and this
was here and that, and they move stuff around in the puzzle and you
realize whoa this. You had a reliable you know, growth and spread,
your your patterns matched, but things were in the wrong spot. And until
you got additional information, okay, you know, the whole the whole picture
changed. Well, in these big big foot or big feats, you know,
whatever you want to call, people get glimpses, they get little snippets
and here and there and everything, and they they form hard opinions with very
very very little empirical knowledge, you know. I mean, it's it's it's
a bits and pieces. But I was with these guys, we were all
sitting there at a break. All of us heard the crunch, crunch,
crunch of footsteps on the trail about twenty feet in front of us, crossing.
Okay, I raised my flair scope fully expecting to see a thermal signature
of a of a tall mammal on two you know, two legs walk by
in front of us. I mean, I thought, man, I am
going to get a good video of this. And I'm looking and I'm following
the direction of the sound, and Matt, all I can see is this
faint white outline on the front side of this subject. Maybe it's the air
being disturbed or something, but it's a cold outline. I was in the
black hot mode. I was expecting to see a dark figure, but as
that line moved, I could clearly see the tree trunks, the rocks,
the vegetation, their heat signatures. This thing did not block out even block
out the thermal signatures. And yet all I could at the time, you
could hear my very incredulous. You know, I see something, you know,
or so, I mean, I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to digest
what I'm just seeing. This thing's actually cloaking, uh in the infrared spectrum
of light. Basically it was cloaking. And yet everyone there could hear it
walking right by in front of us, about twenty feet in front of us.
And I've got a I've got an audio and you know video thermal clip
of that. I don't share that with a lot of people. You know,
you go into this cloaking issue and they'll they'll cut you off, they'll
tell you, you know, forget it, time out. You know,
I mean, how do you explain it? You you have thermal footage of
what you believe, and you know, I'm not saying it's not, but
you have a thermal footage of these creatures whatever you want to call them,
where they are showing up on thermal very clearly. Yes, yes, And
then you have this situation, So why is this one different and the other
ones? You know, why don't they cloak all the time? Can some
do it and some not? What are these all bigfoot that are doing it?
Or are we just thinking they might be bigfoot? Like? How is
it even possible? Those are the questions that I want answered. Sure we
all do. I've certainly heard it enough to know that, like not everybody
is lying or making it up. And here you are. You've got other
witnesses supporting your claim, You've got the actual footage, You've got the physical
evidence to support it absolutely. I don't have all the answers. Something was
walking in front of us, tall and up right, okay, according to
that horizontal line that shows a head and you know the front part of it,
And could it have been the air? You know that it was disturbing
as it moved. I don't know. I mean, I don't have any
explanations for it. I do know in that same area I was out there,
there was a couple of Native American producers shooting some some very good night
vision video equipment, high dollar stuff. I can't remember their names, and
I don't want to take their thunder but if I and again I can't remember.
They didn't write their names down, but fairly well known in the Native
American you know, videographer, producer, type realm. And they were out
there with another mixed blood Native American and I happen to, you know,
have the you know, chance to be out there, and we were out
in this same particular area, and I just I let the let I was
just there as an observer. I wasn't active in anything. I was just
hanging out, which I love doing, I really do. I just like
to be out and around and observe people and see what the big guys are
going to do, you know, and have a great time. Well,
I purposely laid way back away and I could see him through the brakes in
the trees, and they were doing some filming and stuff over in a certain
area I want to say, fifty maybe seventy five yards away, and my
intent was to see if one of the big guys would closely approach them and
I could get a good flanking thermal video of it. You know, they
were showing up. Well, you know, on the night vision, there
wasn't that thick of vegetation. I was getting pretty decent video. And I
saw one of the guys move further out from the group, and I'm watching
him, and I could tell he might be hearing or seeing something. I
was too far away to hear, you know, the verbiage or audio of
them. But he reached a point I could see him scanning with his camera,
you know, it was It was not super bulky, but it was
a lot bigger than a small cam quarter. And he's turning and then I
see him just suddenly stop. His body language changed, and I see him
pull away from his camera and he yelled something back to the other guys that
are I want to say, twenty thirty feet behind him. And then he
looks again, and then he drops his camera and he hurries back over to
the other group. But I don't see anything around the man at all.
Man, I didn't, but I observed that well. It was later I
asked him when we'd come back, come back, you know, to one
of the uh, you know, lodging places, and they were there.
I asked him about it, and he goes, oh, I hadn't shown
it to you. And I said, no, I said, what happened?
He said, I said, I was watching you through my thermal from
from a a position way away from your location, and I didn't want to
mess up anything you were trying to, you know. Get The man played
back the night vision video and it shows this camera looking down this trail and
Matt you can see the exhaled uh you know, air from something about five
or ten feet in front of him, and it's a lot taller because the
air it's like it's looking down but you don't see anything on the night vision
camera, but you actually hear the exhale and you see the you see the
breath of air. Wow, like the cold breath sale exactly exactly. And
that's when he turned around to make sure there one what did anybody? He
freaked out, Well, I mean I didn't number one. His camera didn't
pick it up on the night vision, you know. And I don't know
what spectrum. I mean, it's it's above my pay grade exactly what he
was using. But it looked great at night. But you can distinctly see
that cold exhale breadth from something standing about ten feet in front of him.
And he turned around to make sure nobody would you know, had come up
around in front of him. Yeah, And I didn't pick it up on
my thermal either, you know stuff like that. I don't have concrete answers
for mat I know they happened. I've had. There are no elk in
Texas other than maybe on some kind of you know, game preserve or something.
I was in East Texas, I want to say half dozen years ago,
give or take. I was there with two other researchers. It's the
same mountain or hill that I've got. If you go to YouTube and Bigfoot,
you know, enhanced version of Bigfoot setting up in a pine tree.
I think I'd have to write it down. I've got several. But I
watched a big guy from about five hundred and eight yards. He was sixty
feet up in a tree. A pretty decent video. I mean, it's
shaky. I didn't have high dollar stuff, still don't have real high dollars
stuff. But we were on the back side of that. And I was
in camp two of the other guys who are going to take a loop around
this, down this hill and come back to camp. I was cutting firewood
with a sawzall. I didn't have a chainsaw I had just an electrical saws
off. They do pretty good actually, you know, cutting smaller you know,
trunks and you know trees, they really do. They work pretty good,
better than saying saw in some instances. So I had that sawsag going
cutting, cutting up firewood for the camp. There was beside a logging road
and in between my cuts. Now, I can't tell you that for sure,
but I know I've heard the owl voices. I've seen a big alpha
male caucus head back and give the perfect barred alcohol. Didn't sound like an
eight pound bird. It sounded like something coming out of four JBL wolfers,
you know. I mean. The resonance shook almost shook the woods, I
mean, but it was authentic sounding. Just the resonance was not like a
little eight down bird. Some people think they can project their voice, okay,
or project sounds, throw their voice basically. Well, that's been proven
that the brand triloquists, you know, can can do that to an extent,
So it's not out of the realm of possibility. But between cuts with
that saws of not more than fifteen or twenty feet away and a little growth
of fresh saplings maybe eight to ten foot tall. Loah lily saplings. I
heard the most perfect elk bugle. I mean sounded yes that we you know.
I mean it was like right there. I mean I stopped, I
dropped the saw, and I just I was motionless. Man, there's an
elk right up here. And I listened. There was leaves, there was
dry twigs and vegetation. There's no way a big thousand and twelve hundred pound,
fifteen hundred pound animal could have walked away without me hearing it. Okay,
I didn't do anything. I just sat there for about thirty seconds,
and then I started creeping over to those saplings and I'm looking and listening,
and I didn't hear anything. When I got up to and in the area
within those saplings where that that call came from, you know, it was
like right on top of me. And I know elk can injure or kill
you. So I was a little bit cautious. But I'm going to tell
you, man, I don't have an explanation for it. It was right
there on top of me. Yeah, I was. One time I was
in Texas as well, around the Lake Twaukney area, and uh, we
were there on an outing and we were in an area we were on some
old back road and on one side of the road, you had one of
those uh you know, hunting whatever you want to call it, like a
ranch basically where they do canned hunts. So they had a big, tall
security fence, you know, going down the side of the road so the
deer couldn't escape or whatever. And then on the other side, it's just
straight woods and there's a thinking. There's like five or six of us there,
and something came tearing through those woods right towards us. There's a there's
a big cedar tree next to the road, and this whatever it was,
it sounded like a bull elephant coming through the woods. I mean at one
point I literally thought, Okay, either there's a big foot coming right at
us or a cow got loose and is trumping through the forest. And this
thing gets right up on the back side of that cedar tree, you know.
And the cedar tree was probably maybe eight feet in diameter, you know,
big enough to block the view and everything. But this thing was close,
I mean, thrashing, limbs, snapping, I mean, here it
is, and it just comes to a dead stop right behind that cedar and
we're all standing there like, oh my God, you know, always waiting
for it to bust out the tree line, which they never do. So
you know, turn on the spotlights and start edging around that cedar tree and
that, I mean, there's just nothing there, just nothing. We never
hear anything leave. It's just dead quiet, exactly exactly. I mean,
that doesn't freak me out like it used to do, because I'm going to
tell you, Matt, I've had so many twists and turns out there that
absolutely nothing surprises me. I could go into a lot more, and I
really didn't want to go on the paranormal slant, but you know, the
bottom line is this, I enjoy the ride. I don't make any hard
opinions. I've had so many of my opinions as to what could or would
or should or shouldn't have happened that I just keep an open mind and see
what, you know, see what's going to happen. The only caveat I
have, and this is I've been out by myself before and it's too long.
I wouldn't want to go into some other stuff. But you need to
go out there, you know, not by yourself. If people think that
it's Disneyland and benign and just fun in games. Look, people disappear in
the woods and I you know, there's plenty opinions there, but there are
things out there that will hurt or injure or kill you. And to not
be prepared, okay and have some form of safety plan or backup plan in
place, is very foolish. I emphasize this, be safe out there,
you know, and going pairs or groups, but going out there by yourself,
I wouldn't highly recommend it. If somebody wants to, that's their business.
But what injured and killed settlers one hundred years ago still lives out there,
okay. And you could run into a very hungry mountain lion that could
make short order of you. And they're pretty much all over North America,
and I've run into them in places I didn't. I had one on a
neighbor's we lived south of Houston, and it was about three in the morning,
and it was a rural not not just you know, it completely out
in the middle of nowhere, but it was a sparsely populated county road,
you know, with houses you know, peppered along the way, but heavily
wooded. And it was about three o'clock in the morning and my dog started
tearing it up, and I looked out the bedroom window expecting somebody to be
messing with my car parked there in the driveway. And if it hadn't have
been for the nice, beautiful, full lit moon night, I'd never noticed
this animal. But I looked up at the moon that was right over the
neighbor's house kind of you know, it had lit up the driveway. I
could see there was nothing near. But over the hip of that roof walked
a cat okay, at kind of an angle over that roof, and it
had a tail. It wasn't a big bobcat, and its back was half
again higher than the turbine vents on that that neighbor's roof. It was a
large cat with the tail slinking over Uh that that neighbor's roof no more than
twenty thirty feet away, Okay, I mean not something you would expect to
see, yeah, you know in that neighborhood and that area south of the
Houston metro area. But that cat was there, and it was on the
prowl. Okay. Um, I'm just saying you can run into things out
there that that uh not not not safe to run into. Man, I'm
not trying to steer people. I just be aware. I agree, you
know, Uh, obviously it makes for good radio or TV here or whatever
to put out these uh stories about you know, uh, people getting taken
and murdered by Bigfoot and dog Man and everything else. And I'm not saying
that doesn't happen on occasion. I don't know. I don't want it to
happen to me. But there are plenty of things, like you were saying,
plenty of things out there before we even get get to that part that
can certainly take out a person and make you disappear in a hurry in the
woods. Yeah, and nobody, we don't let me give you. Yeah,
I've been attacked by farrell pit bulls out in the woods. Oh geez,
and yeah, yeah, something I think it was. I think it
was a grower's plot in a county park and he had the dogs there for
protection, you know, I guess against competition or whatever. And I fortunately,
being honorably retired law enforcement, I had one of my forty five's with
me, and you know it was all I mean, I'm out there scouting
out white bass fishing spots along this heavily wooded creek in an area where my
son and I had our first experience, and nice blue northern had blown in,
you know, cool crisp, dry air, north wind. I was
walking south along the creek on a side trail, and all of a sudden
I heard this loud growl, maybe seventy five or a hundred yards away,
I was probably the trail I was on was paralleling the creek by about seventy
five hundred yards. And I looked the direction of this growl, and there
was a trail paralleling the creek, and up this rise broke a pitch black
pit bull okay, good size, barrel chested, and he was half half
running, you know, loping, nose up in the air, growling and
kind of barking, you know, snarling. I could tell he was getting
my scent. You know. I was north of them, and you know
it was I mean, yeah, I was north of the north and was
blowing behind him. Right behind him was a tan pitbull and a marble almost
looked like a you know what a calico cap looks like, yeah, exactly,
And all three of them were kind of half loping along, noses in
the air, and I just look, without thinking, I had my forty
five out. I checked the cliff, I clicked it off safety, and
I went there wasn't anywhere to run, hide or climb. I eased back
behind a skinny way too skinny pine tree, and I just watched well.
As they got up to the intersection of that trail, that big black one
glanced over and he caught sight of me. He immediately turned ninety degrees straight
towards me. Ears pinned down, and he hit passing gear. He was
coming at warp seven at me, and I drew a bead. He what
zig zagony was coming straight for me. I got a good clear bead on
him, and in my head map I said, turn dog, I don't
want to shoot you, turn stop, you know. And I probably let
the dog get far closer to what most people they'd have probably been busting caps
immediately. I was waiting. But at some point the alarm, I guess,
he got within twenty twenty five feet of me an alarm, you know,
and my head said too close. And as I practiced at the police
range many times, I double tapped boom, boom, you know, quick
quick, double tap, and I never saw I was so focused in on
the lead dog. I never saw the tree that had fallen across the trail,
and there was about a foot gap on it was about two feet in
diameter, and it was about a foot gap beneath it. As I double
tapped, that dog been kind of dipped down. I don't know if he
was dipping down the jump over the tree or he was dipping down to go
under the tree. But my first hot shot hit right at the top of
the tree, and I could see the dog's eyes closed and as head kind
of squint and turned to the side. Joe he squint had turned his head
to the side. I think pieces of the bark or whatever hit him.
He skidded to a stop behind the tree. In my second round hit a
dead center. I'd have hit him once out of the two or both.
Both shots didn't hit him, though, but that loud boom boom startled all
three of them. They did a one eighty and they took off. I
thought in my mind it could have dropped one or two on their turn,
but as long as they were retreating, I didn't want to kill him.
I'm a dog lover. I've been around dogs all my life. But they
fled when they got back to that trail, and turned south. I could
hear a voice yelling, so I got as best as I could behind the
tree and this so he looked like a troll. Very grizzly guy, had
no gun or anything in his hand. Come up and called the three dogs
to him, and they were all on him and licking him and everything.
And he finally caught sight of me, and I said, hey, look,
your dogs attacked me. Hold him right there and I'll get out of
here. And that's what I did. I hit the trail running and didn't
stop till I got back to my car. But I can tell you this,
Matt. If I hadn't been armed that day, I probably wouldn't be
talking to you now. I'd probably I could see fending off maybe one with
a stick, but not three. They would have high loaded me. One
of them would have got me on the ground and it have been over with
brother, you know. Yeah, they'd have chewed me up. A buddy
of mine. One time. We are down in an area which you just
returned from, as a matter of fact, And yes, he was waiting
and some plaster cast to dry, uh down in a creek bed and looked
up just in time to see a Ferrell hog running up on him. Oh
yeah, yeah, it knocked him down and the fight was on and luckily
he was able to get back up to his feet and wow, get away
from him, and you know, it took back off. It was probably
you know, a mother with some piglets or something. But uh yeah,
you never know, you never know what's going to happen out there, one
of those big boys. And I've jumped some out here, you know,
in that area of the cedar trees. Um, they got some pretty good
tufts. If they ripped, if they rip your achilles on the back of
your leg, you're you're. They can cut your legs out from under you
and then it's all over. Well, this one put a big old gash
in his leg and a rip up his jeans. Uh wow, yeah,
wow, fortunate, very fortunate, very fortunately. Yeah. And in Oklahoma,
in Texas, the feral hobbs are a big problem, you know.
But well, hey, I enjoyed talking and sharing. We can do this
again, so yeah, yeah, I'd like it very much. So I
appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your stuff. You know, you've
been posting a lot of stuff on your Facebook page. Yes, yes,
do you have that stuff on a YouTube channel for people to check out.
You know, I've got it on Facebook. I've got a YouTube channel and
I think it's under Stewart Taylor my middle name. Best way on my book
is to just google Richard Taylor Bigfoot. That those three words Richard Taylor Bigfoot
on Google and it'll take you to the links to my book. And it's
a booklet. You know, it's not a thick, thick book, but
it has my early experiences, all of the picture clips and everything or mine.
I've had them within fifteen feet of me, Matt, you know,
there's not this. I thought I saw them. I'm looking at them eyeball
to eyeball, looking at their facial expressions. And that was with Arla once
in a lifetime experience. Man, it changed my whole thinking about these subjects.
And a little bit of courtesy and respect goes a long way with the
big guys.