1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:30,879 At at. Tonight's guest is Adam Waller. Adam, welcome to the show. 2 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,319 Thanks for having me, Vick. It's it's a real to be talking. 3 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:38,280 It's like you're a celebrity and it's like I'm going to load me. 4 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,879 You know, far from thanks for seeing that. But yeah, far from 5 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:48,319 a celebrity. I'm just a normal guy. But you know, like I 6 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:53,640 said, thanks for seeing that. Nonetheless, you know, I mean perspective. 7 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,920 You know, to me, you are well. Thank you. I 8 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,719 appreciate it, I do. Adam, please give us a brief file in 9 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:08,439 yourself. Okay, I'm thirty eight years old. I have just recently celebrated 10 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:15,680 my birthday in this past September. I haven't really done a lot of anything 11 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:17,879 really, dance, you know, graduate school, get a job, never 12 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,240 really don't really have any major skills like a welder or anything. But during 13 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,360 my time I've picked up quite a bit of a check of all trades, 14 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,280 a little bit about this, bit about that. So right now I'm currently 15 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,599 taking care of my mother. She's not an invalid or anything, but her 16 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:40,759 she's spent all her life standing up on her feet in one burying chicken processing 17 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,639 plant or another. So her feet and hands, aren't. They don't work 18 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,599 real good like her hands. She'll just randomly let go. Well, you're 19 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,319 a good man for taking care of her and for anyone listening. Just so 20 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:55,960 you know. Adam's definitely one of those people who curre us more about other 21 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:00,639 people than he does about himself. I mean, totally unselfish. I'm really 22 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:05,919 impressed by this guy, Adam. You say you're born with a phobia of 23 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:12,039 werewolves. Please expand on that for us. Well, I've always had the 24 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,240 sensation that they were in the woods. Maybe not necessarily watching me specifically, 25 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:22,759 but were there. I always had the sensation, like when I'm driving home, 26 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,280 when I'm coming through the woods, you can't drive very fast on some 27 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,800 of it, and it's like I just like, I just know that that 28 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,479 takes ficure. They come out of the woodline and smash into the car. 29 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:36,280 When I was little, it seemed like it was, you know, irrational. 30 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:38,560 No, because I'm like, you know, that's why I found out 31 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,000 what a were wolf was and whatnot. I'm still scared of him, terrified, 32 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:47,759 But it's like the movie a ring can separate movie from possible real life. 33 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:54,360 I mean, as cool as were wolves and shape you are. That's 34 00:03:54,400 --> 00:04:03,159 some pretty mojo magic whatever. But nothing scared me anymore than them. The 35 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:10,439 second most scariest thing is deep water, but I never really had nypmares about 36 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:14,280 it. Well, I can only remember like maybe three. The interesting thing 37 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:20,040 is they all take place at one of the stories. But my mom helped 38 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,480 me kind of go from a phobia level look fear to just being, you 39 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:30,000 know, terrified because Scooby Doo was nineteen ninety eight. It was called Scooby 40 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,480 Doo in the ghouls school and one of the ghouls the little girls, was 41 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,480 wearaboof and it was like, I keep me scared of that. And then 42 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,040 later her dad comes in and it's like I'm seeing it's it's a cartoon. 43 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,720 Oh, I can just be terrified. I don't have to, you know, 44 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,560 be like oh my god, I can't. I'm gonna have to live 45 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,240 in space because they're down on Earth. And this is kind of like a 46 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:56,519 I guess you could collect a maybe a select primal spinal sense. I guess, 47 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,519 I don't know. It's just always there all my life. It's just 48 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,399 like I knew right around that corner of that tree if I stay out here 49 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:03,639 long enough, or I look in that direction long enough, I'm going to 50 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,560 see it. Wow. I can understand why you were so shook up about 51 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,959 the possibility of were wolves being out there. But that brings us to our 52 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,319 next question, which is, in nineteen ninety six, your parents bought a 53 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,959 house in the woods, being as terrified of we're wolves as you are. 54 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,439 How much trouble did that give you? I didn't even think about it, 55 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,680 honestly. It was new. It was, you know, a new bread 56 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,279 It was a new mobile home. Yeah it was. It was a ninety 57 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:38,079 six model, so it was or never returned to me, and whenever it 58 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,360 did. You know, it's like, I'm in the house and there's people 59 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:44,000 there, and now when I go outside, as I got older, to 60 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,600 come and smoke or whatever else like this. Yeah, then yes, it's 61 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,759 like if I watched the Howling before I go outside at night, I'm not 62 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,279 going outside. Well, it goes without saying. I'm so glad to hear 63 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,920 it didn't give you much trouble. But I'm wondering though. You mentioned a 64 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:01,399 bit ago that you're able to separate mood from real life, and that's how 65 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,920 you're able to watch all these werewolf movies with that in mind, what's the 66 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:13,279 best werewolf movie out there? In my opinion, I'm going to have to 67 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:17,199 go with The Howland. My second favorite is going to be Dog Soldiers, 68 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,800 and then of course we got to have Mary to wear Open London and all 69 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,439 the classes. I don't believe it, Adam, you left the best one 70 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,199 out. You never said bad Moon? I forgot. I forgot, Yes, 71 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,120 my bad, I forgot about that. There's just so many good ones. 72 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,839 Yeah, there are. Where would you say bad Moon ranks in your 73 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:44,360 list? Now? It definitely be, if not the top five, in 74 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:47,439 the top ten, because after I watched it and I finally got to watch 75 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:50,839 it where I wasn't recorded off TV, the whole thing and saying that it 76 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:54,439 was based off of a book, I'm like, I'm getting the book, 77 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,800 and the book was really good. The only thing that really really got me 78 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,759 was when the kitten got it. The kitten, yes, there was a 79 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:08,600 The book is through the eyes of the family dogg. He considers everybody part 80 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:12,279 of his pack, even the little kitten. Oh you're talking about four? 81 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Yes, I forgot the name temporarily. I'm sorry. Oh that's all right. 82 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,800 I don't hold it against you. Yeah, I knew there was a 83 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:24,399 book in that movie was based on the book, but I've never read it, 84 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:30,000 but I'm sure it's a good read. It's interesting to see your wrote 85 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,560 from the dog's perspective. Yeah, that would be interesting. It's a fresh 86 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,839 approach. I'll give him that, right, which is why the dog was 87 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:44,720 such a big saying in the movie. But it never really explained why he 88 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,360 was. It was just the dog protected his family. Yeah, that he 89 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:53,240 did. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads 90 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,759 and have full access to bonus content, that's an option to find out how, 91 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,480 please go to Dogman Encounters Dot Come Forward Slash podcast. From what I 92 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,040 understand, your mom and dad had an encounter of their own in the eighties. 93 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:13,560 What can you tell us about their experience. I could only tell what 94 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,360 my mom has told me. My dad, all he would ever do was 95 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:20,000 just kind of nod and agree, but he never really said anything. But 96 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,839 at this point in time, I had a cousin. He was the firstborn 97 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,920 son. He wasn't the first child with the firstborn son, and so he 98 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,320 was the first one of my aunt's kids to go actually go out and he 99 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,799 actually made something of even sell If you will but he didn't have a car 100 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,000 at this point in time, and he is I think he'd come in for 101 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 drill since he was in the Guard, and they were taking him to his 102 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,120 mom's house for the weekend, and so they were coming around the corner. 103 00:08:54,159 --> 00:09:00,120 I don't quite know which one because back roads are so sneaky, but my 104 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:05,519 mom told me that they turned the corner and the headlights caught some eyes shine. 105 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,120 Nothing came out of the woods. I don't know, nothing to chase 106 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,039 them. It was just eyes shining, and they turned around the corner and 107 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,440 they went. My dad at the time was pouting because my mom didn't let 108 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,360 him drive the car. So he's over there and kind of brooding, and 109 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,200 whenever they see the shine, he sits up and ask my mom if she 110 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,159 saw that, and she's like, yeah, my cousin didn't see it. 111 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,639 Because there was a nineteen eighty five Moza hatch back. It was blue due 112 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,159 to the way it was constructed. The side of the car that separates the 113 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,919 front and back doors and the back of the seat in front of you blocked 114 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:48,000 a lot of the vision as you As you looked in that direction, you 115 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,840 had to be looking straight out the window or on the other side at the 116 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:58,120 back that was seen the side of the road, it would be the right 117 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,480 side heading out. So they went and dropped my cousin off, and I 118 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:05,919 assume they stayed for a little bit, that my mom would visit with her 119 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:07,759 sister and whatnot. And she said when they came back, they didn't see 120 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,600 anything. But she described it as when she when when she seen the shine, 121 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,840 she could see that she get it was about eight foot off the ground 122 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,159 or where the ground would have been, because some of the edges of the 123 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,480 ditch decided what do they call it, that the the bank, Yes, 124 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:30,159 the bank. Some of it kind of gets to the kind of healing, 125 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,679 you know, like maybe like two three feet high. It's not really a 126 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,679 lot, but at the point in time that because she pointed it out of 127 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,960 several years ago, and it was not exactly one of the taller ones, 128 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,480 but it might have been like you know, put in the half of mound 129 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,080 there. But it's not like it was just a dirt mound. I mean, 130 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,000 the whole the whole terrain was like that. So I mean we could 131 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:58,000 probably deduct maybe maybe six inches from that and be safe. And she's always 132 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:03,000 she always described eyes and she took her both hands and made the uh, 133 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:07,840 you know how little kids will do the glasses and they get with the thumb 134 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,440 and fore finger and then their other three fingers are sticking up kind of like 135 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,159 eyelashes. She did that, but instead of round, they were alm in 136 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,360 the shape, and she said they were slanted. And she said that they 137 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:26,399 were an amber with like a hint or flex of green in the color. 138 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,879 She said she couldn't really explain that. I mean, that could just be 139 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,519 something that that specific a creature. And I asked her what kind of impression 140 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:39,919 did you get from it? She said it was canain. And now when 141 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,120 she told me that, I was like, so you saw a werewolf. 142 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,720 I don't believe were wolves, okay. And then it wasn't until maybe a 143 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,679 couple of days to a week week passed here that we always listening to your 144 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,279 show. When she's like, you know, maybe that was what I saw? 145 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,360 I was like, why not? I mean, why not believe it? 146 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,360 I mean my mom has my mom and dad were not the kind of 147 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,039 people that would lie to you about, you know, something like that rattling 148 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:13,159 in some way, maybe not traumatically, but enough to go what was that? 149 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:20,320 It puzzled them. I didn't know what it was. I mean back 150 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:26,440 then, I don't know how many dog men reports or even if how many 151 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,200 were known of other than the Miskian dog man, which we didn't know about 152 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,120 any of that stuff until we watched a Monster Quest episode on wearing wolves. 153 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Well in better late than ever. At least you found out what it was, 154 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,720 and I heard you say something about their experience. It tells me that 155 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,639 they actually saw a type three, not a canine type dog man. That's 156 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,320 one thing I don't understand. That's okay, the type three WA's Type one 157 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,720 and two? Where are the difference? Is? What's so special about this 158 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:58,919 one? I mean? But I mean if I come across ay, I'm 159 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,720 hoping that I can get away. I don't care if it's type three, 160 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,120 four, five or six. Yeah, I know what you mean. There 161 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,360 you saw a dog man in Afghanistan, Adam, which military branch did you 162 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,679 serve in? I didn't personally serve. I wound up getting a job as 163 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,919 a government contractor, and we did all the stuff that the military could have 164 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,519 done if they have enough people. But where there's all all the military was 165 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:35,000 as hardly anybody so civilian's got to go do all that. It wasn't bad. 166 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,039 It was really a nice job. But I mean it's just combat zone, 167 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,679 you know. Yeah, things can be only so good in a combat 168 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,159 zone. I get it. If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would 169 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,039 like to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on the show, 170 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had 171 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,600 a big foot sighting and would like to be a guest on one of my 172 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,799 two big foot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All 173 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:07,960 right, Adam, please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us 174 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,360 ever last detail that comes to mind. All right. The first one that 175 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,600 I had was now, just the summer after we moved out here. My 176 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,879 best friend at the time, or one of them, we'd come over a 177 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:28,240 lot during the summer that summer because he lived in town and I'm in the 178 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,240 magical woods. All of a sudden, so he came over a lot and 179 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,840 we ran all over the countryside. We went north, in the south, 180 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,200 and east and west. We probably found an up and down somewhere. But 181 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:48,639 on this particular day we had gotten up probably ten or ten thirty, and 182 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,759 we decided we was gonna go down to uh it's a place called the hill 183 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,919 Hole. It used to be a real good swimming place before. So he 184 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,720 was the change is the flow of it. Somehow, I don't remember what 185 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:07,080 it was. But we went down down We stayed there probably about an hour 186 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,519 an hour and a half, and decided to just start walking back. Yeah, 187 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,759 it's about a three mile trek uphill mostly but I mean, you, 188 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:18,559 you know, thirteen and fourteen years old or whatever it was, maybe ten 189 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:24,399 or eleven, I can't remember. Sometimes you actually have more stamina than what 190 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,120 you think you do, because it's like you don't think about it, especially 191 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,080 when you're walking with somebody else and you're keeping your mind off of it. 192 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,279 So we continue, we will walk on, you know, when we see 193 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,399 some berries and what not, we pick some black bed or not blackberries, 194 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,840 or little grapes or something. I can't remember. What was there, some 195 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,519 kind of wild fruit that was growing must No, it wasn't muskeet, I 196 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,080 don't remember what it was. We didn't die from it, so it was 197 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:52,360 okay. Again, kids have no intelligence, and so we finally make it 198 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,399 all the way back up to the backside of the property. That's where the 199 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,000 cattle guard was it's like it's like wood tunnel, you know, it's like 200 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:07,840 a tunnel through the woods, and so we enter it probably about what do 201 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:12,720 you say, I'd say probably about ten minutes. I didn't feel anything. 202 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:17,720 It was my friend, but yeah, I didn't know anything about it. 203 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,039 He didn't say anything. I was like, I didn't. I don't quite 204 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,679 know why until we until he told me. When we got back. We 205 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,399 were playing with our Blewie knives. I mean, you know those are giant 206 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:32,039 like like swords where you know, free teens, and we were practicing them 207 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,200 on the fallen logs. Mama, my mom was a stickler for like, 208 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,440 you do not hurt plants unless you need to. You don't take a stick 209 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:45,360 and beat on trees. Okay, so dead trees was fine, and that's 210 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,759 what we were doing on the way back. Him not white as much. 211 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:53,039 Now, I didn't really think about that, you know, just so sometimes 212 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,679 I can I can be oblivious until it like comes crashing through. Finally my 213 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:03,919 brain finally filters something out and go oh. But we get back and I 214 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,519 think it's probably like a thirty minute walk. We wasn't moving real pass it's 215 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,880 you know, kids in the woods enjoying themselves. I thought, anyway, 216 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:18,240 well, we get we come out on this side of the property and it 217 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,160 opens up to a power line that runs and splits the property in half. 218 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:29,240 And it's probably about twenty five feet across to the other maybe thirty to the 219 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,200 other side of the property. But we have to come slightly up the hill. 220 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,079 When we come out, we turn to our right and go up the 221 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,559 hill a little bit, and that's where the trailer is. And so we 222 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:42,920 get about we get about halfway through the porch and I turned around to say 223 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,240 something to him when I see his he was he was always white, but 224 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,559 he was just I mean, it was I don't know how to explain that 225 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,200 level of paleness. Yes, just slack. All the color was gone. 226 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,279 I mean, I don't know how color can drain from no color. But 227 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,759 I'm like, dude, what's wrong. But you know, I was really 228 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:06,799 worried. I didn't know what was going on. I thought he might have 229 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,640 been by a snake or something. Didn't say anything. I asked him, 230 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:14,839 dude, what's up. He's like, I don't know. It's like maybe 231 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,240 five to ten minutes after we entered the property. I got this weird. 232 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:23,079 This is just he couldn't really articulate it because I don't think he quite understood 233 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:29,240 how it made him feel. But the best that he could he was he 234 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:34,880 wanted to run. It's like he had snakes squirming around and making him nauseous, 235 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:41,960 and he he was rough looking at and then and I'm like, I 236 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:48,559 don't remember exact exact conversation. And I was like, that's what was me? 237 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,039 What you think it was? He's like, I don't, I don't 238 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:52,400 know, man, but I know that I know one thing, death was 239 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,160 following us. I never smelt anything. I never nothing affected me. So 240 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:03,079 either that wasn't they were paid attention to it that time, or I was 241 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,279 just luckily, like you know, a foot ahead of where the effectiveness of 242 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:11,240 it was. But I was worried. I mean, he looked terrible, 243 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,079 and I was like, well, maybe we go in and get something to 244 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,759 eat and drink, you'll feel better. And we come up through the ports, 245 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,799 and probably about six minutes after we come in, we decided we're gonna 246 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:27,880 we're gonna cook some pizza rolls. He started to started to subside. He 247 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,319 was feeling better. That was like the last time he came over for the 248 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,319 summer though, so this would have been it would have been like probably around 249 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,279 two the afternoon, maybe give or take ten minutes. So this summer just 250 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:51,480 would have been around probably towards the end of July beginning of August, if 251 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,039 I was to have to be pressed for it. So it was. It 252 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,799 was a nice day, sunny, we hadn't had rain for a while, 253 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:02,200 so it wasn't too humid down here. I guess I should have mentioned this 254 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,920 with the bio, but I live in the southwest part of Arkansas. The 255 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:15,160 property we live on is actually considered part of the Washington National Forest as as 256 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:22,039 far as the terrain and trees and whatnot. So that being said that I 257 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,240 know it's a hotspot for bigfoot and whatnot. I bring it up to let 258 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,359 you know geographically how close I am to Oklahoma and other places like that. 259 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:36,440 About an hour to an hour and twenty minutes away from Falk, Arkansas. 260 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,359 So I'm pretty sure the Felt Marsh has run through the probberly at least once 261 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,480 in twenty eight years. His house have been here. Detail that I forgot 262 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,000 to mention him, and he said that he did kind of have it. 263 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,480 There was a weird smell, he said, it was kind of he couldn't 264 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:59,240 really explain where it was coming from a white I mean to some words and 265 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:03,359 phrases you don't know until you get into high school and how to or correctly 266 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:10,720 how to articulate. But if I smelled it, I didn't pay attention because 267 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,319 I've smelled dead things out here all the time, and you know, come 268 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,440 across a you know as a what's left of a rabbit or something that other 269 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:26,799 vultures had picked clean over the years of dogs would leave random bits of whatever 270 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:33,319 they drag up. So if it was I couldn't say what that over twenty 271 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,160 years ago and kind of hard, especially if I didn't don't remember. I 272 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,359 mean, I know, I'm getting kind of tongue tied a little bit, 273 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:48,640 but I'm a little sad or disappointed with that experience because I didn't experience anything. 274 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,000 So I didn't know my friend was, you know about ready to split 275 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:57,559 a skeleton that of his skin and run. That's pretty much I think all 276 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:06,240 four. That one not an exciting one, I know. But so the 277 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,799 next one is that that would have been in So that was my first one 278 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:15,480 with my friend. Would have been in like ninety seven, so about two 279 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:22,000 years later in ninety nine, I have another friend staying over. This friend 280 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,519 he had a real bad home life. I mean wouldn't. I won't go 281 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:30,799 into details because it's some of it's, you know, not something you say 282 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:36,000 over on over online or a radio. But so he tried to come over 283 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:38,640 to my house as much as possible, you know, even if it was 284 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,200 just just for the Friday night, just something, just something, or just 285 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,079 something to break up the home life. This and so this. He came 286 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,200 over it and it was I want to say, for some reason, I 287 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,039 want to say October eighteenth, but I know it was October around the middle, 288 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:02,240 closer to Halloween than it would have been the first. And he'd brought 289 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:08,160 over uh uh, the video game Medieval for the PlayStation because at the time 290 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:14,599 he didn't have one. So he came over and he was playing on mine. 291 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,680 Well, he got to some some part or a puzzle or something that 292 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,519 he got stuck on and couldn't couldn't figure out, so he just turned it 293 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:22,559 off. It was like, we got over, We're gonna go over with 294 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:25,880 your aunts tonight. I'm like, yeah, we can't just go ask my 295 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720 mom. So we go in ft the kitchen and she's cleaning up from supper 296 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,759 and what not, and it's like, uh, he take us over to 297 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,880 the Bobs tonight and he's like, yeah, yeah, you know, you're 298 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,799 giving me, like, you know, twenty minutes to get done here and 299 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:40,880 I can okay, I don't know it. I didn't have a problem waiting. 300 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,839 Well here's he We go back into the living room and he's like, 301 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,680 well, we did walk there, you know, it's only was on this 302 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,160 went when two miles away, you know, forty five minute walk, you 303 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,079 know. And I'm like, okay, I'll tell my mom that we're just 304 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,200 goundna walk over there and we can ride back with her when she comes. 305 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:11,119 So we head out and probably well three hundred and fifty feet from the house, 306 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,440 he pulls out a pack of cigarettes and I'm like, yep, you 307 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,960 just want to go smoke a cigarette? And I'm like, d I think 308 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,519 we could have walked out into the property and well, she couldn't see you 309 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,480 could have smoked. It's like yeah, but I wanted to go walking, 310 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,720 okay, So I'd like, you better give me one of those then. 311 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:34,279 So we do do the walk. We didn't where the we get to the 312 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:40,079 main road. It's Cony Road, six. You can either go to your 313 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,480 right and it's up you up a couple of hills. It's not really bad, 314 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:48,519 and that would take you to my aunts, and that was about half 315 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,359 a mile away. We get there and he's like, hey, why don't 316 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,960 we walk to town. We can go see your cousin in town. I'm 317 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,160 like, well, what about Bob. He's like, I want to smoke 318 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:04,039 another cigarette? Lead on. So we're walking. You're smoking kids, right, 319 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:10,880 you know. And so we get to where by the time we get 320 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,960 to where the bridge is, and the first two pictures I showed the river 321 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,440 and the bridge, the remnants of the bridge that we had to walk on 322 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:26,079 back then, like it if it sprinkled, it would flood the bridge, 323 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,640 and people who had never been on the road would stop and just just be 324 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:34,839 dumbfounded because the bridge had a curve in it. It was an angular curve, 325 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,400 but it was still a curve, and it freaked a lot of people 326 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,359 out who had never been over there before. Well, I don't think anything 327 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,200 about it until we get onto the bridge and it's like I got, oh 328 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:52,200 crap, I gotta walk this two mile creepy stretch. But that didn't last 329 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,519 very long because I was like, I got a friend here. Ain't nothing 330 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,160 gonna bother us. I got somebody with me. I mean, you know 331 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:04,160 again, kids, of course, a lot of people will see another person 332 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:10,599 as a safety net, I suppose. So we're walking along and we're just 333 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:19,599 talking and you know, being pree teens and whatnot, and about close to 334 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:26,559 the midpoint, I'd say probably tenth of a mile, yeah, about a 335 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:32,440 tenth of a mile, because the midpart there is like like the mile marker, 336 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 if you will. But before we get there, I go, I 337 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,799 have to go to the bathroom. I was like, hey, man, 338 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,440 I got go to Little Moses over be here and relieve myself. He's like, 339 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,519 okay, and he walks ahead and in ten and fifteen feet or whatever 340 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,200 for privacy reasons. And so I'm doing the I'm doing my thing, doing 341 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,359 the guy thing. You know, you're either humming or you're looking around, 342 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,799 watching where you're aiming and what not. And as I'm doing this, I'm 343 00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:02,720 looking around, not paying attention to anything, Just like, am I done 344 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,720 yet? Can we go? Because sometimes it's boring anyway, It's like my 345 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,880 body of brain decided, you know what, we're not gonna throw the alarm. 346 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 This time. We're just gonna guide his head to where he needs to 347 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,960 look. So I was looking to the left, and in the process of 348 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,720 well, I was looking to the left and down, I was looking at 349 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,440 the It was a turtle, believe it or not. I didn't know why 350 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,359 it was out there in the middle of the night, but we were close 351 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,319 to the river. So he crawled off into the other side of the woods 352 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,119 real quick, and I've never seen a torus move that fast. I didn't 353 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,359 think anything of it. So in the process of paying attention to him running 354 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,119 away, and I looked into the woods. God, I don't know why 355 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,960 I looked into the woods. And from those pictures, if you look at 356 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,519 night, you couldn't see You can't see a lot. And even if it 357 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,680 was right in front of you, there's enough trees and folios to break up 358 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,920 anything. On the other side. At this part, there's a barbed wire 359 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,440 fence that runs the link to the road because both sides of the road are 360 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,200 tree crop, so there's a barbed wire fence that's been overgrown along with this 361 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:17,359 thick wall of woods. But my brain, I did a blackout, if 362 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,039 you will, a blank like for a second, I'm looking into the woods, 363 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,119 and I'm starting to look up and about where my gaze would be probably 364 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,279 a six or six six and a half foot. Next thing I know, 365 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:37,400 I'm running on Uh. I didn't have much thought process except oh, oh, 366 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,079 crap, crap, crap, crap, run, run, run, 367 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,519 run, running. My brain was kind of bouncing off everything, trying to, 368 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:48,000 I guess, trying to uh catch itself. Uh makes sense. I 369 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,240 don't know. I mean, you're black out and then you wake up, 370 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,880 and it's like, well, I got at least a second. I don't 371 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,200 know what happened. But anyway, as I'm running, my friend he boats 372 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,759 by me, and that just made me want to run even faster because it's 373 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,000 like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I don't 374 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,279 know what this is, but you're not going to beat me. Of course 375 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,799 he did. He beat me to the cattle guard, but only by a 376 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,960 few minutes. And as we're running, I lose him behind the last curve 377 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:18,319 that takes us straight to the where the cattle guard and where the civilization would 378 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:23,480 start again. As I come around the corner, I see that he's crossed 379 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,440 over the cattle guard and was starting to kind of slow down to a hopping 380 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,079 jog. If you will take a break. And I'm like, oh no, 381 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,200 no, no, no, no no, we got to keep going, 382 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,440 keep going, keep going. So I come running past him and it's 383 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,839 like, don't stop now, keep going, even though thirty five feet at 384 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:48,240 an angle from where we were, there was a person's house, but the 385 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,240 old man that lives there was probably in his fifties at the time at least. 386 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,240 And I didn't want to go wake. I didn't want let anybody you 387 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,279 know, I didn't live, didn't want anything. I just wanted to get 388 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:06,680 a crew off the road in some place with lights. I didn't want to 389 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,160 have to stand out there and wait for someone to come to the door. 390 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:15,319 And you know, whatever it is gets me. And so once where the 391 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,759 category is we get to that part, there's like six houses scattered across each 392 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,920 side. But like I said that, I didn't want to stop anywhere. 393 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,920 I just wanted to go, go, go, go, go, go, 394 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,000 go go go. So we run the rest of the the rest of 395 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,079 the mile of that, we get to the kindergarten, where was probably another 396 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,319 three three fourths of a mile to the highway. So we go, we 397 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,640 crossed the tracks, hit the highway. I keep running to the other side 398 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,359 of the highway because I wanted as much stuff between me and whatever that could 399 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,400 have been. I mean, if a train come through and hit it, 400 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,400 that's what I was wanting to happen, just just in case. And so 401 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,920 we get there, and the long story short from there, we wanted to 402 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,680 get in trouble because we weren't where we were supposed to be. We didn't 403 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,960 do We were out when we shouldn't have been in town, and you know, 404 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,720 of course my friend he got the worst of that, but and so 405 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000 he didn't get to come over for a long time. It's like, I 406 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,039 know that I mentioned the turtle, and I know that it's kind of odd, 407 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,880 but just like I said, it was there. I noticed it because 408 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,359 it was like a moving rock for where I was, and it was I 409 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,480 think it crossed the road in probably three seconds. They can move when they 410 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,720 have to, and you know, a large, possible immediate increasure that would 411 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:44,680 make anything want to move that couldn't compete with it. But we didn't really 412 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,799 get a chance to exactly process that situation. Looked maybe we should have, 413 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160 because we get we get to town, we wind up, you know, 414 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,400 we go to my cousins, We get in trouble parents are called and all 415 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,480 this great stuff for being a kid and figuring things out the hard way. 416 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Let's see. By the time the next school day, which was one day, 417 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,279 came around, of course everybody in school had heard about it, and 418 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:16,480 they're like, what happened? You know what? What were you doing this? 419 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,279 You know, this is where my friend lets me know about that missing 420 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,920 second or two because he's like, oh yeah, you know, it's like 421 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960 he was like dough boy here, he had to go to the bathroom. 422 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,880 So I just walked ahead and I'm waiting. I'm waiting, you know. 423 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,480 I can hear his stream and all this, and then it's quiet and the 424 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,160 next thing I know, but was like her eloquence coming. So he's like, 425 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,920 I turn and as fast as the flash, there goes no boy. 426 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,720 He's screaming, run, run, run, and he's like, I ain't 427 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:58,359 ever seen a fat boy move so fast in my life. It was when 428 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,920 I said be in October. It was it was really cool for that. 429 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,000 They're for me because as a much body weight as I had, I had 430 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,759 a lot of insulation. But it was cold enough where I had my jacket 431 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:15,160 on, so I know it was cold. I don't remember a smell or 432 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:20,200 sound or anything. But again, if i'd noticed it and it was in 433 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:25,000 that time that I blacked out for a second or two, then I can't 434 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,079 tell you if it was chasing us for sure, because between the adrenaline and 435 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:37,720 my heart in my ears and lungs threatening to explode, and the mad of 436 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,400 just go go go, it gets see need lights, needless, and they 437 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,720 got to get somewhere, gets safe. And that road is about probably two 438 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:52,119 miles in a straight line from where the property that we live on is. 439 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:58,079 And so after my mom told me about hers, I was like, oh, 440 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:02,640 great, he just runs around the hill side. But after the ice 441 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:09,559 storm of two thousand and one and the tree company clue harvesting their crop from 442 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,280 that side, there hasn't been a lot of anything that I've heard of. 443 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,320 It's not a creepy place to drive through at night. I haven't heard anything 444 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,719 about either headless horse, was ghost or anything. So probably, like a 445 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,000 lot of animals that get this place, it just went somewhere else. My 446 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,840 friend described the situation like me and the creature both had to go pee at 447 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,519 the same time and spook at each other. I'm like, you know what, 448 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,280 I'll take that. That sounds good, I'll buy that. And so 449 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:49,679 that was pretty much the end of that. But around or the immediate area, 450 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,639 when we get to where the cattle area, where the cattle guard is, 451 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,400 and civilization starts again, the barbed wire of fences don't just go to 452 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,719 the tree line. They'd go across the tree line too. So when they 453 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,519 it was done, when the cows, the cattle rangers would graze their cows 454 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,559 a free range them. Is why the cattle guard was there. And that 455 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,960 is a it's it's like a gate, but it's on the ground. It's 456 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,679 design so the cows can't walk over it. It's looks just like a bunch 457 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,360 of long metal pipes. Basically. I don't know how it worked exactly. 458 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,159 I don't know how kept the cows didn't get hung up in it and what 459 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:30,960 not, but it did. But they stopped doing that several years after that, 460 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,920 and so they took the cattle guard out. And if this road goes 461 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,960 to that river, so creatures got water supply, plenty of trees at the 462 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,599 time, and it started to grow up pretty good. Now so if he 463 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:47,440 comes back, he still got some coverage. And then that was it. 464 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:52,320 Since we didn't actually get a good but didn't get a visual at all, 465 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:58,760 visual confirmation. I don't think it, you know, had a traumatic effect 466 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,679 is what it should have, because we didn't have that oh you know it 467 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,199 was a bear or oh you know it's werewolf. Oh oh oh, you 468 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,159 know, it's like, you know, something from from the depths of tail 469 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,639 or something. But after I found your show, it made me remember a 470 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,760 lot of this and outside of just like a passing. Oh yeah, I 471 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,199 remember that, and you forget about it right now. So but I mean, 472 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,239 I don't know, that's just my theory why it didn't. But like, 473 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,679 the kids can be resilient little creatures. So some of the some of 474 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,199 them's like, you know what, he just lost his mom and he cried 475 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,719 a little bit, but he's back up on his horse. And some people, 476 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,679 like, you know, they break their leg and it's like, oh, 477 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,159 it's so traumatic for him, which you know, pain I can see 478 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360 being traumatic. I mean, I still think pain is a great deterrent. 479 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:55,880 God, I don't want to get punched in the face, so I'm not 480 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:02,280 going to antagonize that guy. And so from there we went into high school 481 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:09,000 and all that good stuff and the girls and all that and forgotten. So 482 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,920 it comes signed for graduation and me and me and that particular friends, we 483 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,320 decided we wanted to go join the Marines. I'm like, because my dad 484 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719 was a marine, my i'sme from a militaristic minded family. Most of the 485 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,960 people were in some branch of service, and it's like, yeah, I 486 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,880 felt obligated to have to go in too. But that didn't work out. 487 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:42,000 I did not meet the waight, the maximum weight requirement or the minimum weight 488 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,840 requirement or whatever it is. It's like, nope, you're too heavy. 489 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,119 Okay, Well, we go through all that this that that year, and 490 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,559 I'm me and my cousin wound up getting a job to take this to Afghanistan. 491 00:37:55,039 --> 00:38:05,440 So we spent two weeks in Houston for orientateation, background vaccinations, all 492 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:14,199 the whole shebang. Eh, And so we got on as February thirteenth was 493 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:20,199 when we left Houston, and we arrived in Paris on the fifteenth and I 494 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,400 thought it was funny, but we somehow missed Valentine's Day going through time zones, 495 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:30,360 and so it takes us about a week to get from there to the 496 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,920 first base. There was a Air Force base called K two that was the 497 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,360 first base he came into when you got to Afghanistan, and we worked our 498 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,039 way down from there to where eventually were where we would wind up b and 499 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,239 he got sent into a different base and I got sent down to Salerigo. 500 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,159 Now at this point I was kind of lost because my familiarity was gone, 501 00:38:53,559 --> 00:39:00,000 my cousin had been moved, and I was like, I'm lost and go 502 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,079 home. I mean, it's just even if I was just like, you 503 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,360 know what, I'm going home. I just have to wait for a flight 504 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,280 out. So but I'd made some acquaintances and friends as I was there. 505 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,440 Of course it's all older than me, but they got me through that, 506 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,280 and I'm glad that they did, because if I'd have gone home, then 507 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,119 I wouldn't have got to see some of the work. Not a lot of 508 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:28,400 people can say that they've been to Paris Springs, even if it was an 509 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:34,280 airport. The first day that I'm there, I'm there for about two hours 510 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,239 and it's just about dusk there at salaier Noo. Me and a couple of 511 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,840 the other guys are moving our our stuff into the tent that we're going to 512 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:51,159 be staying at. When we hear the unmistakable singing whistle of you know you 513 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,760 hear you whistle, and it's like you could be a missile rocket, you 514 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,760 know whatever, as long as you can hear it though, you're good. 515 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,719 And I look at the guy that's helping me move my bed in there, 516 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,280 and I got a quizzical look because the base that I had just previously been 517 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,320 in until five hours before that, they'd been doing controlled detonations. At the 518 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,280 backroom Air Force Base. They were cleaning up all the mines left over from 519 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,760 when the Russians came in. There's a lot of mines. The complex area 520 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,639 where the KBR employees were was right on a minefield. They're like, if 521 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,119 it's yellow or orange, don't walk over its. I looked down and I'm 522 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,119 like, oh, we got to fly, don't we A bit of an 523 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:37,800 exaggeration, but so I didn't think anything about the impact when I heard it, 524 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:45,199 and he looks at me and he's like, that's incoming. We dropped 525 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,800 the bed. We come out and we hear another impact and a guy that 526 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,360 was outsmoking. He was in Vietnam and he'd already hit the deck from the 527 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,119 first one. We grabbed him, picking him up and we hauled button to 528 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:02,320 the closest bunker and the true luck, I cracked my head going in and 529 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:08,480 out. But we sitting there for probably forty five minutes until it's over, 530 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:13,480 and then we got to we had to wait for another twenty minutes for the 531 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,920 Marines to take stock and make sure that they had everybody, and then we 532 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,320 had to call our all our people into our boss and that probably took ten 533 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:30,039 minutes because it's about at the time my number was I was number two hundred 534 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,599 and eight person to come there, and so it takes a little bit to 535 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:44,719 get over least two hundred people on the radio with the because whenever incoming happened, 536 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,159 you wind up running into a bunker and you know you're gonna be in 537 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:53,760 with civilians and the military because it's the first safe place. So that was 538 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,880 my first first introduction to the base, and they're like, yep, it's 539 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,719 called rocket City and until about how many rockets they had the previous year there 540 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,199 was like seventy something. But the base was situated just a little bit north 541 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,559 of the Pakistan border, which is where all the bad guys was hiding from 542 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,079 them from the Marines in the eighty second and everyone when they took over the 543 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,480 base. So that was a fun night. About a week or two in, 544 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:29,280 I'm still learning the ropes. My job was kind of like a foreman. 545 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320 I had to go to the gate and pick up the local workers. 546 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:43,320 They deduced that one one employee could safely manage ten locals. Okay whatever. 547 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,480 Most of the time they didn't give you any trouble, except for the ones 548 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,760 that had been spoiled by Americans. It's like, no, you can't, 549 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,840 We're not going to get you a coke at two in the afternoon. You 550 00:42:53,880 --> 00:43:00,119 want to coke, work for it. But that's a side. I'm down 551 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,199 there waiting for my guys to show up, and there's just one Marie, 552 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,880 the tower guarden. He is sitting there smoking, and I'd left my lighter 553 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,880 in my room, and I asked if I could if he had a light. 554 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,280 Didn't we get to kind of get the chatting and I asked him. 555 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,639 I was just asking him, like, what kind of stuff do y'all have 556 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,599 to watch out for a sound from bad guys up there? That you can 557 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,719 you know, you can tell somebody something. Almo's not classified And he's like, 558 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,760 well, you know, there snakes and you know the saying crates. 559 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,760 You know, if we can see one, then we have to you know, 560 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,880 people know about that camel spider's scorpions, you know, general things. 561 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,760 And he tells me about that to be careful at night walking the base because 562 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:47,239 of the large wild dogs that are around there. And I was like, 563 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,800 what makes them so bad? And he was walking away when I asked, 564 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,519 kind of kind of turning away I to say. He turns back to me 565 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:06,039 and says that mutants. It turns around. That's the last time I seen 566 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:12,519 him, because within a couple of it was in the next three weeks they 567 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:19,440 had moved out and the eighty second had moved in, and I just filed 568 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440 that under everything else. All right, that's just one more thing that's gonna 569 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,280 hurt me while I'm here. Because an orientation when we got there, they 570 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,480 were like everything out, everything here is evil and can kill you. There's 571 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:36,360 no and there's no If it kills you, it can it will. If 572 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,079 you get like sand create, if you get better sand create. The U 573 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,960 the venom unit the military had was like, don't call us. You got 574 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,280 about fifteen twenty minutes to live and we don't even have any end. We 575 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,440 don't even any any event for that so in which I did get wind up 576 00:44:52,440 --> 00:45:00,840 getting chased by one of those and that that was fun. So which on't 577 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,840 the word About four and a half months maybe you know, it's been the 578 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:14,800 end of July, beginning of August somewhere in there. At this point in 579 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,760 time, I was working swing shift for the MWR, that's Morale, Welfare 580 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,000 and Recreation. I started at twelve thirty at the phone and Computer center. 581 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:32,320 This was the military exclusive because they could access the special Military Network and what 582 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,119 not from it. And what I did there was they'd come in, they'd 583 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:42,360 hand me their ID, I'd write their name rank in the last four the 584 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,840 social downing, give on my number the number corresponding with either a computer or 585 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:52,519 a phone. So I did that for about six hours, and then I 586 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,599 went to the game room, which is where they have the TVs and games 587 00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:04,199 and pool tables, ping pong table, a bunch of DVD movies. I 588 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,480 was in there one day and they were watching a bootlegged version if you Will 589 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:13,559 Love Uh Star Wars episode three that they had that it was it was so 590 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,199 bootlegged. There was one scene that was looped twice and I left when I 591 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,800 seen that. But when I was working the swings. I get off of 592 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,559 like one point thirty and there was bright lights in there, so I would 593 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:29,480 go out on the back porch and uh, my eyes had just smoke a 594 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,320 cigarette, you know, chat with anybody out there, and being lazy, 595 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,000 I took There was a smain drag on the south side, I remember quickly 596 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:43,400 was a sell. They called it sniper Road because it faced a directly two 597 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,639 where the interview was hiding. At night, you aren't supposed to use bright 598 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:53,199 lights, uh low level lighting red lights the green or blue if you have 599 00:46:53,400 --> 00:47:00,519 to, preferably red. But I had had the little pocket one thumb was 600 00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,960 almost as big as it, so I could put my thumb over it and 601 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,960 it would leave a little sliver of light that I could see on the ground, 602 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:12,039 kind of like a crescent moon. And so where the end, where 603 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,239 the where the MWR building was, you could go out the back and along 604 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,280 the wall a little bit and you come out and take the sniper road, 605 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,400 and that would where you came out was, or where the flight line and 606 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,400 where the air Force had their stuff there was the fuel bladder was up there 607 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,440 and what the but the but the main drags Nipper Road went straight down it, 608 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,639 and it was probably i'd say it was a you know, around a 609 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,440 mile long. I'm not sure. I can't remember. But the base was 610 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,280 also on a uh subtle seventy degree slope. That was fun when it rained. 611 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,159 Anyway, this night, I'm getting ready. I'm excited because I'm fixing 612 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,079 go on an R and R. I've been here for around six months, 613 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,599 you know, honestly, you know, I wanted to go see some trees. 614 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:07,400 You know, I'm from the country. I want to see some trees. 615 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,280 And look, they had some trees there, but I mean, if 616 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,159 you've seen desert trees, it's about the same. Well, I've been walking 617 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:16,920 down there for maybe a couple of minutes. I wasn't paying any attention. 618 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:22,159 I just passed the guard tower where the flight line was. And the guard 619 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,199 towers were made out of connex is stacked on top of each other. These 620 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:34,639 are the fancy shipping crates if you don't know what a connex is, and 621 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,239 they were stacked too high, and they were welded with the Air Force welding 622 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,480 garage, which if you've ever seen, are massive. Anyway, there was 623 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,280 two along the road before I would get to the turnoff where I would just 624 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,360 turn to the left and be able to turn to the right, and I'm 625 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,880 at my bed, so I've passed the first gate and the first tower, 626 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,280 I'm sorry. And in between that one and the second one, the second 627 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:05,559 one was after where you could be able to walk back into the base. 628 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,119 It was like probably a quarter of a block long, I think, before 629 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,239 you got there from where I was, and it turned back in the base 630 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,239 and turned what I called town square because a chow hall was there, the 631 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,199 base exchange, the phone, the computer center, the officer tents, you 632 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,280 know, all the major players and what not there. So in between that 633 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,440 spot and where I was, I don't know. I still don't quite know 634 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:38,079 what caught my attention to look off to my right. The right side had 635 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:44,559 a regular barbed wire fence running down it that was there from the locals because 636 00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:49,840 the other side of that fence was like a pasture for raising their sheep. 637 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:58,159 So I look off and in I seen something, and then I realized that 638 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:02,840 that's big. That's that's big, And I kind of get a little bit 639 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,400 of anxiety in my stomach because it's like, oh, that's that's one hundred 640 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,519 and hundred and twenty five feet away. It's you know, it's a good 641 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:14,400 distance, but you know, after finding out what that possibly was, it 642 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:21,079 could have made that in no time. And so I never actually slowed down 643 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:28,119 walking or stuff walking, I mean walking, and I kind of turn around 644 00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,679 and look back at the tower and still walking behind myself, walking behind looking 645 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,840 at it, walking backwards, and there is nobody looking in that direction at 646 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,000 the time. I turned back around and I look at it again. I'm 647 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,440 watching it and the moon, and there was enough moon. It was at 648 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:51,400 least a half moon a half moon there was the show had casting enough light 649 00:50:51,480 --> 00:51:00,320 that I could make out It's like it's it's not exactly it out, but 650 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,119 I guess it did outline parts of it. I'm not really good with distances, 651 00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:13,039 but I can do hyped. Yeah, that's that's what I was looking 652 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,519 for, and where it was about as far as it was the size that 653 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:21,320 it looked and from where I was and know one that the fence was about 654 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,800 five foot and I'm five eight, I was able to estimate that it is 655 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,079 probably close to the size of a geometro. I know because my mom had 656 00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:38,440 one in the early two thousands. So that's that was you know, you 657 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,519 know, it's like the size of a cow, if you will, and 658 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,920 just like it could it could have messed anything up. But it was walking 659 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,199 parallel with the fence, but at like a thirty thirty five degree angle and 660 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,440 going in the direction opposite direction or away from me. Now he and I 661 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:04,159 couldn't see. Of course, I didn't think to look for years. I 662 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,679 find out after I got home from that I needed glasses, So that was 663 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:14,960 probably hindered some of the spiner exterior, small details like an ear or if 664 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,519 it had a tail. If it had a tail, it was probably tucked 665 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:22,719 up under it. But he was looking very intently in the other direction. 666 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:32,239 And as I'm doing all this, it's probably happened ten seconds. Maybe I 667 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,920 didn't hang around long to get to where I was going, And then I'll 668 00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:42,719 brain finally filters out information and clicks in and it's like, I bet that's 669 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,800 one of those wild dogs I was told about, which I guess immediately was 670 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,679 like, okay, to big deal. I'm just gonna turn left and go 671 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,679 walk through the base. But as I was observing it, and it felt 672 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,960 like it lasted minutes, I mean it h h Its movement wasn't really it 673 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,320 wasn't jerky, and you could tell that this was what he was doing, 674 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,400 but it was it was just hot. It was something that I don't know, 675 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:16,679 I can't I could tell that it was Kine. It was not blacker 676 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,400 than black, but definitely because of the moon, and it was a little 677 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,360 darker color. You could see it now. Once I noticed it it, 678 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:34,880 I could tell that it had reverse joint legs like K nine's. I couldn't 679 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840 see the feet because it was kind of it was a shrug, crush pasture 680 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,880 or whatever it was we had over there, So there was Zero's foliage enough 681 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,360 on the ground where it would obstruct it if I was close enough to we've 682 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,719 seen it, but I didn't. But one of the things that did, 683 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,440 and I didn't think about it until earlier today, was it's kind of like 684 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:59,039 it had I don't know, my main that doesn't seem right, more like 685 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,920 a pelt on it's on its back, look in the shor shoulder blades and 686 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:09,920 on the shoulders kind of. And and it recurred to me today that that 687 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,440 it seemed like it was an important one, like it might have been real, 688 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,039 like it was regal or I don't like it, like he was an 689 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:23,400 important creature. Of the creatures is the impression that I got. I never 690 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:30,320 seen the eyes. I didn't smell anything because along this road down towards where 691 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:36,719 my bedroom was, the place I slept, there was a human waste pond, 692 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,280 and so I wouldn't have been able to have smelled it over the smell 693 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,679 of that. But I never noticed that smell to begin with. So I 694 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,960 don't know. But like I said, I didn't hang around. It's my 695 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,320 brain's like that's a wild dog. You were told not though even think about 696 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,960 them, basically. And luckily I was able to turn in there where the 697 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:06,559 PX and chow haul was, and so I sat down at one of the 698 00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:08,880 benches outside of the PX where there was a bunch some people, and I 699 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,800 smoked a cigarette to kind of calm me down a little bit. And I've 700 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,199 done that and decided that the best thing to do is just just just walk 701 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,280 through the base. Now it's longer and tedious. It seemed like it took 702 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,519 hours to walk through it. It wasn't really that big, but there's a 703 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:29,679 lot of turns and twists had to make. But I made the extra effort 704 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,079 to go through several bunkers and whatnot. As I was working my way towards 705 00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,440 where I was, just in case, just in case it noticed me, 706 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:45,599 and was like, hmmmm, American, let's try that. Whether it noticed 707 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:50,719 me or not, I don't know. I can't imagine a creature this size 708 00:55:51,119 --> 00:56:00,320 not knowing, at least in some degree. But they're in the I couldn't 709 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,760 really tell a kind of bird. It had either that that helt maine or 710 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,599 that that that that buzz on the back of it. So the next day, 711 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,000 after I went home and before I went I made a point after I 712 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:19,079 got to my hoots, I got my stuff to go take a shower and 713 00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:27,119 shave. I took my time, probably about forty minutes to shower and shave, 714 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,039 just to add an extra bit of something, you know, my sitting 715 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:37,519 washed my sin off or you know, just just something else. And then 716 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:45,400 went back and didn't exactly sleep much because we'll come on. I was thinking 717 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,239 about the thing kind of, you know, I was like, what was 718 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,320 that? Was that? No? Just you know, it's a black canaan 719 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,800 type shape and very large, and it was puzzling. But it's not like 720 00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,559 I mean, even if it had it would have been a situation somewhere it 721 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:05,000 would have charged or attacked and noticed me. It wouldn't have mattered if I 722 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,440 was traumatized and terrified, because I couldn't just quit and call someone to come 723 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:12,000 pick me up. I'm halfway across the world. I'd had to wait, 724 00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:16,360 you know, looking at like a week just for a flight to possibly come 725 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,079 in, and then you have to wait and make sure that you could be 726 00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:25,159 on that flight to leave. So you know, it wouldn't have done any 727 00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:32,840 good to have been terrified. I mean, of course you don't fear. 728 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,760 It doesn't make so much sense because it's like, you know, you might 729 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,360 be afraid of the werewolf, but you come up against something that's even mean 730 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:49,320 and ugly, and you're like, oh, that's an interesting creature. And 731 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,079 I didn't know anything about the dog man at the time. I didn't I 732 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,599 didn't know that. It never real occurred to me that a were wolf might 733 00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:04,360 actually be its own, independent, separate creature thanks to Hollywood and books and 734 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,320 whatnot, and the creature is like, you know, muddled in with a 735 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:17,960 bunch of I don't know. There's fun to watch and read, but sometimes 736 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,400 it's not a good idea to pay attention to what you've read in a fictitious 737 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,239 book or in a movie. I really don't want to test the silver bullet 738 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:34,079 theory, not if I could help it. And so the next day I 739 00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,840 walked went and walked back and checked where I could have more light and see 740 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:44,199 better and do And the angle that was going get either have had to script 741 00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:49,360 through the base and hop the fence there, or had swung by the human 742 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:57,400 waste pond, maybe as like a scent camouflage or something. I could definitely 743 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:07,760 tell his movements. I think that he was either stalking or stalking around something, 744 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,559 maybe like avoiding. Maybe. I mean, there could have been another 745 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,400 one on the other side and he was sneaking around the back to catch it, 746 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:19,960 or he was the bait and the other one would come. I don't 747 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,280 know. It wasn't long after that that I went on R and R, 748 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:29,079 and eventually I came home and I forgot about it. Yeah, except for 749 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,480 oh yeah, and I didn't know. Only person I told after I got 750 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,400 back was my cousin. I didn't tell anybody else because if there was anybody 751 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,280 that was going to be inclined to believe me, it would have been her, 752 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,760 and me and her were a bit close all our lives as kids and 753 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,800 whatnot, and it was like, you know, yeah, I trusted her, 754 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,800 so I was like, I'm going to tell her. Whether or not 755 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,199 I was believed, I don't know, but at least it made me feel 756 00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:02,159 okay about it. And this is I guess it was cool even though it 757 01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,239 was a summer, because it's a desert, it wasn't It doesn't didn't get 758 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,119 as cold as like what some other deserts will get too. I think it 759 01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:15,599 was only like maybe a fifteen or twenty degree difference to night in the day. 760 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,280 During the day, I couldn't even tell you which direction was north because 761 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,400 it seemed like the sun just hung there and then it was gone. I 762 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,280 didn't walk down that road at night again by myself. I'll tell you that. 763 01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,960 I'll tell you what, Adam. I know you have more stories to 764 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,920 share with this, including the one where you heard something pounding on the side 765 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,280 of the house. We're out of time. Would you be up for coming 766 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,480 back to do a part two on this? Yeah? Okay, great, 767 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,599 because of course I have questions for you in addition to that. So we'll 768 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:47,559 just stop it right here and then we'll have you come back for part two 769 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,079 and we'll take her from there. Then alrighty, all right, great, 770 01:00:52,239 --> 01:01:30,559 well, thanks again so much for your time, and have a great nights.