At at. Tonight's guest is Adam Waller. Adam, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me, Vick. It's it's a real to be talking.
It's like you're a celebrity and it's like I'm going to load me.
You know, far from thanks for seeing that. But yeah, far from
a celebrity. I'm just a normal guy. But you know, like I
said, thanks for seeing that. Nonetheless, you know, I mean perspective.
You know, to me, you are well. Thank you. I
appreciate it, I do. Adam, please give us a brief file in
yourself. Okay, I'm thirty eight years old. I have just recently celebrated
my birthday in this past September. I haven't really done a lot of anything
really, dance, you know, graduate school, get a job, never
really don't really have any major skills like a welder or anything. But during
my time I've picked up quite a bit of a check of all trades,
a little bit about this, bit about that. So right now I'm currently
taking care of my mother. She's not an invalid or anything, but her
she's spent all her life standing up on her feet in one burying chicken processing
plant or another. So her feet and hands, aren't. They don't work
real good like her hands. She'll just randomly let go. Well, you're
a good man for taking care of her and for anyone listening. Just so
you know. Adam's definitely one of those people who curre us more about other
people than he does about himself. I mean, totally unselfish. I'm really
impressed by this guy, Adam. You say you're born with a phobia of
werewolves. Please expand on that for us. Well, I've always had the
sensation that they were in the woods. Maybe not necessarily watching me specifically,
but were there. I always had the sensation, like when I'm driving home,
when I'm coming through the woods, you can't drive very fast on some
of it, and it's like I just like, I just know that that
takes ficure. They come out of the woodline and smash into the car.
When I was little, it seemed like it was, you know, irrational.
No, because I'm like, you know, that's why I found out
what a were wolf was and whatnot. I'm still scared of him, terrified,
But it's like the movie a ring can separate movie from possible real life.
I mean, as cool as were wolves and shape you are. That's
some pretty mojo magic whatever. But nothing scared me anymore than them. The
second most scariest thing is deep water, but I never really had nypmares about
it. Well, I can only remember like maybe three. The interesting thing
is they all take place at one of the stories. But my mom helped
me kind of go from a phobia level look fear to just being, you
know, terrified because Scooby Doo was nineteen ninety eight. It was called Scooby
Doo in the ghouls school and one of the ghouls the little girls, was
wearaboof and it was like, I keep me scared of that. And then
later her dad comes in and it's like I'm seeing it's it's a cartoon.
Oh, I can just be terrified. I don't have to, you know,
be like oh my god, I can't. I'm gonna have to live
in space because they're down on Earth. And this is kind of like a
I guess you could collect a maybe a select primal spinal sense. I guess,
I don't know. It's just always there all my life. It's just
like I knew right around that corner of that tree if I stay out here
long enough, or I look in that direction long enough, I'm going to
see it. Wow. I can understand why you were so shook up about
the possibility of were wolves being out there. But that brings us to our
next question, which is, in nineteen ninety six, your parents bought a
house in the woods, being as terrified of we're wolves as you are.
How much trouble did that give you? I didn't even think about it,
honestly. It was new. It was, you know, a new bread
It was a new mobile home. Yeah it was. It was a ninety
six model, so it was or never returned to me, and whenever it
did. You know, it's like, I'm in the house and there's people
there, and now when I go outside, as I got older, to
come and smoke or whatever else like this. Yeah, then yes, it's
like if I watched the Howling before I go outside at night, I'm not
going outside. Well, it goes without saying. I'm so glad to hear
it didn't give you much trouble. But I'm wondering though. You mentioned a
bit ago that you're able to separate mood from real life, and that's how
you're able to watch all these werewolf movies with that in mind, what's the
best werewolf movie out there? In my opinion, I'm going to have to
go with The Howland. My second favorite is going to be Dog Soldiers,
and then of course we got to have Mary to wear Open London and all
the classes. I don't believe it, Adam, you left the best one
out. You never said bad Moon? I forgot. I forgot, Yes,
my bad, I forgot about that. There's just so many good ones.
Yeah, there are. Where would you say bad Moon ranks in your
list? Now? It definitely be, if not the top five, in
the top ten, because after I watched it and I finally got to watch
it where I wasn't recorded off TV, the whole thing and saying that it
was based off of a book, I'm like, I'm getting the book,
and the book was really good. The only thing that really really got me
was when the kitten got it. The kitten, yes, there was a
The book is through the eyes of the family dogg. He considers everybody part
of his pack, even the little kitten. Oh you're talking about four?
Yes, I forgot the name temporarily. I'm sorry. Oh that's all right.
I don't hold it against you. Yeah, I knew there was a
book in that movie was based on the book, but I've never read it,
but I'm sure it's a good read. It's interesting to see your wrote
from the dog's perspective. Yeah, that would be interesting. It's a fresh
approach. I'll give him that, right, which is why the dog was
such a big saying in the movie. But it never really explained why he
was. It was just the dog protected his family. Yeah, that he
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please go to Dogman Encounters Dot Come Forward Slash podcast. From what I
understand, your mom and dad had an encounter of their own in the eighties.
What can you tell us about their experience. I could only tell what
my mom has told me. My dad, all he would ever do was
just kind of nod and agree, but he never really said anything. But
at this point in time, I had a cousin. He was the firstborn
son. He wasn't the first child with the firstborn son, and so he
was the first one of my aunt's kids to go actually go out and he
actually made something of even sell If you will but he didn't have a car
at this point in time, and he is I think he'd come in for
drill since he was in the Guard, and they were taking him to his
mom's house for the weekend, and so they were coming around the corner.
I don't quite know which one because back roads are so sneaky, but my
mom told me that they turned the corner and the headlights caught some eyes shine.
Nothing came out of the woods. I don't know, nothing to chase
them. It was just eyes shining, and they turned around the corner and
they went. My dad at the time was pouting because my mom didn't let
him drive the car. So he's over there and kind of brooding, and
whenever they see the shine, he sits up and ask my mom if she
saw that, and she's like, yeah, my cousin didn't see it.
Because there was a nineteen eighty five Moza hatch back. It was blue due
to the way it was constructed. The side of the car that separates the
front and back doors and the back of the seat in front of you blocked
a lot of the vision as you As you looked in that direction, you
had to be looking straight out the window or on the other side at the
back that was seen the side of the road, it would be the right
side heading out. So they went and dropped my cousin off, and I
assume they stayed for a little bit, that my mom would visit with her
sister and whatnot. And she said when they came back, they didn't see
anything. But she described it as when she when when she seen the shine,
she could see that she get it was about eight foot off the ground
or where the ground would have been, because some of the edges of the
ditch decided what do they call it, that the the bank, Yes,
the bank. Some of it kind of gets to the kind of healing,
you know, like maybe like two three feet high. It's not really a
lot, but at the point in time that because she pointed it out of
several years ago, and it was not exactly one of the taller ones,
but it might have been like you know, put in the half of mound
there. But it's not like it was just a dirt mound. I mean,
the whole the whole terrain was like that. So I mean we could
probably deduct maybe maybe six inches from that and be safe. And she's always
she always described eyes and she took her both hands and made the uh,
you know how little kids will do the glasses and they get with the thumb
and fore finger and then their other three fingers are sticking up kind of like
eyelashes. She did that, but instead of round, they were alm in
the shape, and she said they were slanted. And she said that they
were an amber with like a hint or flex of green in the color.
She said she couldn't really explain that. I mean, that could just be
something that that specific a creature. And I asked her what kind of impression
did you get from it? She said it was canain. And now when
she told me that, I was like, so you saw a werewolf.
I don't believe were wolves, okay. And then it wasn't until maybe a
couple of days to a week week passed here that we always listening to your
show. When she's like, you know, maybe that was what I saw?
I was like, why not? I mean, why not believe it?
I mean my mom has my mom and dad were not the kind of
people that would lie to you about, you know, something like that rattling
in some way, maybe not traumatically, but enough to go what was that?
It puzzled them. I didn't know what it was. I mean back
then, I don't know how many dog men reports or even if how many
were known of other than the Miskian dog man, which we didn't know about
any of that stuff until we watched a Monster Quest episode on wearing wolves.
Well in better late than ever. At least you found out what it was,
and I heard you say something about their experience. It tells me that
they actually saw a type three, not a canine type dog man. That's
one thing I don't understand. That's okay, the type three WA's Type one
and two? Where are the difference? Is? What's so special about this
one? I mean? But I mean if I come across ay, I'm
hoping that I can get away. I don't care if it's type three,
four, five or six. Yeah, I know what you mean. There
you saw a dog man in Afghanistan, Adam, which military branch did you
serve in? I didn't personally serve. I wound up getting a job as
a government contractor, and we did all the stuff that the military could have
done if they have enough people. But where there's all all the military was
as hardly anybody so civilian's got to go do all that. It wasn't bad.
It was really a nice job. But I mean it's just combat zone,
you know. Yeah, things can be only so good in a combat
zone. I get it. If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would
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right, Adam, please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us
ever last detail that comes to mind. All right. The first one that
I had was now, just the summer after we moved out here. My
best friend at the time, or one of them, we'd come over a
lot during the summer that summer because he lived in town and I'm in the
magical woods. All of a sudden, so he came over a lot and
we ran all over the countryside. We went north, in the south,
and east and west. We probably found an up and down somewhere. But
on this particular day we had gotten up probably ten or ten thirty, and
we decided we was gonna go down to uh it's a place called the hill
Hole. It used to be a real good swimming place before. So he
was the change is the flow of it. Somehow, I don't remember what
it was. But we went down down We stayed there probably about an hour
an hour and a half, and decided to just start walking back. Yeah,
it's about a three mile trek uphill mostly but I mean, you,
you know, thirteen and fourteen years old or whatever it was, maybe ten
or eleven, I can't remember. Sometimes you actually have more stamina than what
you think you do, because it's like you don't think about it, especially
when you're walking with somebody else and you're keeping your mind off of it.
So we continue, we will walk on, you know, when we see
some berries and what not, we pick some black bed or not blackberries,
or little grapes or something. I can't remember. What was there, some
kind of wild fruit that was growing must No, it wasn't muskeet, I
don't remember what it was. We didn't die from it, so it was
okay. Again, kids have no intelligence, and so we finally make it
all the way back up to the backside of the property. That's where the
cattle guard was it's like it's like wood tunnel, you know, it's like
a tunnel through the woods, and so we enter it probably about what do
you say, I'd say probably about ten minutes. I didn't feel anything.
It was my friend, but yeah, I didn't know anything about it.
He didn't say anything. I was like, I didn't. I don't quite
know why until we until he told me. When we got back. We
were playing with our Blewie knives. I mean, you know those are giant
like like swords where you know, free teens, and we were practicing them
on the fallen logs. Mama, my mom was a stickler for like,
you do not hurt plants unless you need to. You don't take a stick
and beat on trees. Okay, so dead trees was fine, and that's
what we were doing on the way back. Him not white as much.
Now, I didn't really think about that, you know, just so sometimes
I can I can be oblivious until it like comes crashing through. Finally my
brain finally filters something out and go oh. But we get back and I
think it's probably like a thirty minute walk. We wasn't moving real pass it's
you know, kids in the woods enjoying themselves. I thought, anyway,
well, we get we come out on this side of the property and it
opens up to a power line that runs and splits the property in half.
And it's probably about twenty five feet across to the other maybe thirty to the
other side of the property. But we have to come slightly up the hill.
When we come out, we turn to our right and go up the
hill a little bit, and that's where the trailer is. And so we
get about we get about halfway through the porch and I turned around to say
something to him when I see his he was he was always white, but
he was just I mean, it was I don't know how to explain that
level of paleness. Yes, just slack. All the color was gone.
I mean, I don't know how color can drain from no color. But
I'm like, dude, what's wrong. But you know, I was really
worried. I didn't know what was going on. I thought he might have
been by a snake or something. Didn't say anything. I asked him,
dude, what's up. He's like, I don't know. It's like maybe
five to ten minutes after we entered the property. I got this weird.
This is just he couldn't really articulate it because I don't think he quite understood
how it made him feel. But the best that he could he was he
wanted to run. It's like he had snakes squirming around and making him nauseous,
and he he was rough looking at and then and I'm like, I
don't remember exact exact conversation. And I was like, that's what was me?
What you think it was? He's like, I don't, I don't
know, man, but I know that I know one thing, death was
following us. I never smelt anything. I never nothing affected me. So
either that wasn't they were paid attention to it that time, or I was
just luckily, like you know, a foot ahead of where the effectiveness of
it was. But I was worried. I mean, he looked terrible,
and I was like, well, maybe we go in and get something to
eat and drink, you'll feel better. And we come up through the ports,
and probably about six minutes after we come in, we decided we're gonna
we're gonna cook some pizza rolls. He started to started to subside. He
was feeling better. That was like the last time he came over for the
summer though, so this would have been it would have been like probably around
two the afternoon, maybe give or take ten minutes. So this summer just
would have been around probably towards the end of July beginning of August, if
I was to have to be pressed for it. So it was. It
was a nice day, sunny, we hadn't had rain for a while,
so it wasn't too humid down here. I guess I should have mentioned this
with the bio, but I live in the southwest part of Arkansas. The
property we live on is actually considered part of the Washington National Forest as as
far as the terrain and trees and whatnot. So that being said that I
know it's a hotspot for bigfoot and whatnot. I bring it up to let
you know geographically how close I am to Oklahoma and other places like that.
About an hour to an hour and twenty minutes away from Falk, Arkansas.
So I'm pretty sure the Felt Marsh has run through the probberly at least once
in twenty eight years. His house have been here. Detail that I forgot
to mention him, and he said that he did kind of have it.
There was a weird smell, he said, it was kind of he couldn't
really explain where it was coming from a white I mean to some words and
phrases you don't know until you get into high school and how to or correctly
how to articulate. But if I smelled it, I didn't pay attention because
I've smelled dead things out here all the time, and you know, come
across a you know as a what's left of a rabbit or something that other
vultures had picked clean over the years of dogs would leave random bits of whatever
they drag up. So if it was I couldn't say what that over twenty
years ago and kind of hard, especially if I didn't don't remember. I
mean, I know, I'm getting kind of tongue tied a little bit,
but I'm a little sad or disappointed with that experience because I didn't experience anything.
So I didn't know my friend was, you know about ready to split
a skeleton that of his skin and run. That's pretty much I think all
four. That one not an exciting one, I know. But so the
next one is that that would have been in So that was my first one
with my friend. Would have been in like ninety seven, so about two
years later in ninety nine, I have another friend staying over. This friend
he had a real bad home life. I mean wouldn't. I won't go
into details because it's some of it's, you know, not something you say
over on over online or a radio. But so he tried to come over
to my house as much as possible, you know, even if it was
just just for the Friday night, just something, just something, or just
something to break up the home life. This and so this. He came
over it and it was I want to say, for some reason, I
want to say October eighteenth, but I know it was October around the middle,
closer to Halloween than it would have been the first. And he'd brought
over uh uh, the video game Medieval for the PlayStation because at the time
he didn't have one. So he came over and he was playing on mine.
Well, he got to some some part or a puzzle or something that
he got stuck on and couldn't couldn't figure out, so he just turned it
off. It was like, we got over, We're gonna go over with
your aunts tonight. I'm like, yeah, we can't just go ask my
mom. So we go in ft the kitchen and she's cleaning up from supper
and what not, and it's like, uh, he take us over to
the Bobs tonight and he's like, yeah, yeah, you know, you're
giving me, like, you know, twenty minutes to get done here and
I can okay, I don't know it. I didn't have a problem waiting.
Well here's he We go back into the living room and he's like,
well, we did walk there, you know, it's only was on this
went when two miles away, you know, forty five minute walk, you
know. And I'm like, okay, I'll tell my mom that we're just
goundna walk over there and we can ride back with her when she comes.
So we head out and probably well three hundred and fifty feet from the house,
he pulls out a pack of cigarettes and I'm like, yep, you
just want to go smoke a cigarette? And I'm like, d I think
we could have walked out into the property and well, she couldn't see you
could have smoked. It's like yeah, but I wanted to go walking,
okay, So I'd like, you better give me one of those then.
So we do do the walk. We didn't where the we get to the
main road. It's Cony Road, six. You can either go to your
right and it's up you up a couple of hills. It's not really bad,
and that would take you to my aunts, and that was about half
a mile away. We get there and he's like, hey, why don't
we walk to town. We can go see your cousin in town. I'm
like, well, what about Bob. He's like, I want to smoke
another cigarette? Lead on. So we're walking. You're smoking kids, right,
you know. And so we get to where by the time we get
to where the bridge is, and the first two pictures I showed the river
and the bridge, the remnants of the bridge that we had to walk on
back then, like it if it sprinkled, it would flood the bridge,
and people who had never been on the road would stop and just just be
dumbfounded because the bridge had a curve in it. It was an angular curve,
but it was still a curve, and it freaked a lot of people
out who had never been over there before. Well, I don't think anything
about it until we get onto the bridge and it's like I got, oh
crap, I gotta walk this two mile creepy stretch. But that didn't last
very long because I was like, I got a friend here. Ain't nothing
gonna bother us. I got somebody with me. I mean, you know
again, kids, of course, a lot of people will see another person
as a safety net, I suppose. So we're walking along and we're just
talking and you know, being pree teens and whatnot, and about close to
the midpoint, I'd say probably tenth of a mile, yeah, about a
tenth of a mile, because the midpart there is like like the mile marker,
if you will. But before we get there, I go, I
have to go to the bathroom. I was like, hey, man,
I got go to Little Moses over be here and relieve myself. He's like,
okay, and he walks ahead and in ten and fifteen feet or whatever
for privacy reasons. And so I'm doing the I'm doing my thing, doing
the guy thing. You know, you're either humming or you're looking around,
watching where you're aiming and what not. And as I'm doing this, I'm
looking around, not paying attention to anything, Just like, am I done
yet? Can we go? Because sometimes it's boring anyway, It's like my
body of brain decided, you know what, we're not gonna throw the alarm.
This time. We're just gonna guide his head to where he needs to
look. So I was looking to the left, and in the process of
well, I was looking to the left and down, I was looking at
the It was a turtle, believe it or not. I didn't know why
it was out there in the middle of the night, but we were close
to the river. So he crawled off into the other side of the woods
real quick, and I've never seen a torus move that fast. I didn't
think anything of it. So in the process of paying attention to him running
away, and I looked into the woods. God, I don't know why
I looked into the woods. And from those pictures, if you look at
night, you couldn't see You can't see a lot. And even if it
was right in front of you, there's enough trees and folios to break up
anything. On the other side. At this part, there's a barbed wire
fence that runs the link to the road because both sides of the road are
tree crop, so there's a barbed wire fence that's been overgrown along with this
thick wall of woods. But my brain, I did a blackout, if
you will, a blank like for a second, I'm looking into the woods,
and I'm starting to look up and about where my gaze would be probably
a six or six six and a half foot. Next thing I know,
I'm running on Uh. I didn't have much thought process except oh, oh,
crap, crap, crap, crap, run, run, run,
run, running. My brain was kind of bouncing off everything, trying to,
I guess, trying to uh catch itself. Uh makes sense. I
don't know. I mean, you're black out and then you wake up,
and it's like, well, I got at least a second. I don't
know what happened. But anyway, as I'm running, my friend he boats
by me, and that just made me want to run even faster because it's
like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I don't
know what this is, but you're not going to beat me. Of course
he did. He beat me to the cattle guard, but only by a
few minutes. And as we're running, I lose him behind the last curve
that takes us straight to the where the cattle guard and where the civilization would
start again. As I come around the corner, I see that he's crossed
over the cattle guard and was starting to kind of slow down to a hopping
jog. If you will take a break. And I'm like, oh no,
no, no, no, no no, we got to keep going,
keep going, keep going. So I come running past him and it's
like, don't stop now, keep going, even though thirty five feet at
an angle from where we were, there was a person's house, but the
old man that lives there was probably in his fifties at the time at least.
And I didn't want to go wake. I didn't want let anybody you
know, I didn't live, didn't want anything. I just wanted to get
a crew off the road in some place with lights. I didn't want to
have to stand out there and wait for someone to come to the door.
And you know, whatever it is gets me. And so once where the
category is we get to that part, there's like six houses scattered across each
side. But like I said that, I didn't want to stop anywhere.
I just wanted to go, go, go, go, go, go,
go go go. So we run the rest of the the rest of
the mile of that, we get to the kindergarten, where was probably another
three three fourths of a mile to the highway. So we go, we
crossed the tracks, hit the highway. I keep running to the other side
of the highway because I wanted as much stuff between me and whatever that could
have been. I mean, if a train come through and hit it,
that's what I was wanting to happen, just just in case. And so
we get there, and the long story short from there, we wanted to
get in trouble because we weren't where we were supposed to be. We didn't
do We were out when we shouldn't have been in town, and you know,
of course my friend he got the worst of that, but and so
he didn't get to come over for a long time. It's like, I
know that I mentioned the turtle, and I know that it's kind of odd,
but just like I said, it was there. I noticed it because
it was like a moving rock for where I was, and it was I
think it crossed the road in probably three seconds. They can move when they
have to, and you know, a large, possible immediate increasure that would
make anything want to move that couldn't compete with it. But we didn't really
get a chance to exactly process that situation. Looked maybe we should have,
because we get we get to town, we wind up, you know,
we go to my cousins, We get in trouble parents are called and all
this great stuff for being a kid and figuring things out the hard way.
Let's see. By the time the next school day, which was one day,
came around, of course everybody in school had heard about it, and
they're like, what happened? You know what? What were you doing this?
You know, this is where my friend lets me know about that missing
second or two because he's like, oh yeah, you know, it's like
he was like dough boy here, he had to go to the bathroom.
So I just walked ahead and I'm waiting. I'm waiting, you know.
I can hear his stream and all this, and then it's quiet and the
next thing I know, but was like her eloquence coming. So he's like,
I turn and as fast as the flash, there goes no boy.
He's screaming, run, run, run, and he's like, I ain't
ever seen a fat boy move so fast in my life. It was when
I said be in October. It was it was really cool for that.
They're for me because as a much body weight as I had, I had
a lot of insulation. But it was cold enough where I had my jacket
on, so I know it was cold. I don't remember a smell or
sound or anything. But again, if i'd noticed it and it was in
that time that I blacked out for a second or two, then I can't
tell you if it was chasing us for sure, because between the adrenaline and
my heart in my ears and lungs threatening to explode, and the mad of
just go go go, it gets see need lights, needless, and they
got to get somewhere, gets safe. And that road is about probably two
miles in a straight line from where the property that we live on is.
And so after my mom told me about hers, I was like, oh,
great, he just runs around the hill side. But after the ice
storm of two thousand and one and the tree company clue harvesting their crop from
that side, there hasn't been a lot of anything that I've heard of.
It's not a creepy place to drive through at night. I haven't heard anything
about either headless horse, was ghost or anything. So probably, like a
lot of animals that get this place, it just went somewhere else. My
friend described the situation like me and the creature both had to go pee at
the same time and spook at each other. I'm like, you know what,
I'll take that. That sounds good, I'll buy that. And so
that was pretty much the end of that. But around or the immediate area,
when we get to where the cattle area, where the cattle guard is,
and civilization starts again, the barbed wire of fences don't just go to
the tree line. They'd go across the tree line too. So when they
it was done, when the cows, the cattle rangers would graze their cows
a free range them. Is why the cattle guard was there. And that
is a it's it's like a gate, but it's on the ground. It's
design so the cows can't walk over it. It's looks just like a bunch
of long metal pipes. Basically. I don't know how it worked exactly.
I don't know how kept the cows didn't get hung up in it and what
not, but it did. But they stopped doing that several years after that,
and so they took the cattle guard out. And if this road goes
to that river, so creatures got water supply, plenty of trees at the
time, and it started to grow up pretty good. Now so if he
comes back, he still got some coverage. And then that was it.
Since we didn't actually get a good but didn't get a visual at all,
visual confirmation. I don't think it, you know, had a traumatic effect
is what it should have, because we didn't have that oh you know it
was a bear or oh you know it's werewolf. Oh oh oh, you
know, it's like, you know, something from from the depths of tail
or something. But after I found your show, it made me remember a
lot of this and outside of just like a passing. Oh yeah, I
remember that, and you forget about it right now. So but I mean,
I don't know, that's just my theory why it didn't. But like,
the kids can be resilient little creatures. So some of the some of
them's like, you know what, he just lost his mom and he cried
a little bit, but he's back up on his horse. And some people,
like, you know, they break their leg and it's like, oh,
it's so traumatic for him, which you know, pain I can see
being traumatic. I mean, I still think pain is a great deterrent.
God, I don't want to get punched in the face, so I'm not
going to antagonize that guy. And so from there we went into high school
and all that good stuff and the girls and all that and forgotten. So
it comes signed for graduation and me and me and that particular friends, we
decided we wanted to go join the Marines. I'm like, because my dad
was a marine, my i'sme from a militaristic minded family. Most of the
people were in some branch of service, and it's like, yeah, I
felt obligated to have to go in too. But that didn't work out.
I did not meet the waight, the maximum weight requirement or the minimum weight
requirement or whatever it is. It's like, nope, you're too heavy.
Okay, Well, we go through all that this that that year, and
I'm me and my cousin wound up getting a job to take this to Afghanistan.
So we spent two weeks in Houston for orientateation, background vaccinations, all
the whole shebang. Eh, And so we got on as February thirteenth was
when we left Houston, and we arrived in Paris on the fifteenth and I
thought it was funny, but we somehow missed Valentine's Day going through time zones,
and so it takes us about a week to get from there to the
first base. There was a Air Force base called K two that was the
first base he came into when you got to Afghanistan, and we worked our
way down from there to where eventually were where we would wind up b and
he got sent into a different base and I got sent down to Salerigo.
Now at this point I was kind of lost because my familiarity was gone,
my cousin had been moved, and I was like, I'm lost and go
home. I mean, it's just even if I was just like, you
know what, I'm going home. I just have to wait for a flight
out. So but I'd made some acquaintances and friends as I was there.
Of course it's all older than me, but they got me through that,
and I'm glad that they did, because if I'd have gone home, then
I wouldn't have got to see some of the work. Not a lot of
people can say that they've been to Paris Springs, even if it was an
airport. The first day that I'm there, I'm there for about two hours
and it's just about dusk there at salaier Noo. Me and a couple of
the other guys are moving our our stuff into the tent that we're going to
be staying at. When we hear the unmistakable singing whistle of you know you
hear you whistle, and it's like you could be a missile rocket, you
know whatever, as long as you can hear it though, you're good.
And I look at the guy that's helping me move my bed in there,
and I got a quizzical look because the base that I had just previously been
in until five hours before that, they'd been doing controlled detonations. At the
backroom Air Force Base. They were cleaning up all the mines left over from
when the Russians came in. There's a lot of mines. The complex area
where the KBR employees were was right on a minefield. They're like, if
it's yellow or orange, don't walk over its. I looked down and I'm
like, oh, we got to fly, don't we A bit of an
exaggeration, but so I didn't think anything about the impact when I heard it,
and he looks at me and he's like, that's incoming. We dropped
the bed. We come out and we hear another impact and a guy that
was outsmoking. He was in Vietnam and he'd already hit the deck from the
first one. We grabbed him, picking him up and we hauled button to
the closest bunker and the true luck, I cracked my head going in and
out. But we sitting there for probably forty five minutes until it's over,
and then we got to we had to wait for another twenty minutes for the
Marines to take stock and make sure that they had everybody, and then we
had to call our all our people into our boss and that probably took ten
minutes because it's about at the time my number was I was number two hundred
and eight person to come there, and so it takes a little bit to
get over least two hundred people on the radio with the because whenever incoming happened,
you wind up running into a bunker and you know you're gonna be in
with civilians and the military because it's the first safe place. So that was
my first first introduction to the base, and they're like, yep, it's
called rocket City and until about how many rockets they had the previous year there
was like seventy something. But the base was situated just a little bit north
of the Pakistan border, which is where all the bad guys was hiding from
them from the Marines in the eighty second and everyone when they took over the
base. So that was a fun night. About a week or two in,
I'm still learning the ropes. My job was kind of like a foreman.
I had to go to the gate and pick up the local workers.
They deduced that one one employee could safely manage ten locals. Okay whatever.
Most of the time they didn't give you any trouble, except for the ones
that had been spoiled by Americans. It's like, no, you can't,
We're not going to get you a coke at two in the afternoon. You
want to coke, work for it. But that's a side. I'm down
there waiting for my guys to show up, and there's just one Marie,
the tower guarden. He is sitting there smoking, and I'd left my lighter
in my room, and I asked if I could if he had a light.
Didn't we get to kind of get the chatting and I asked him.
I was just asking him, like, what kind of stuff do y'all have
to watch out for a sound from bad guys up there? That you can
you know, you can tell somebody something. Almo's not classified And he's like,
well, you know, there snakes and you know the saying crates.
You know, if we can see one, then we have to you know,
people know about that camel spider's scorpions, you know, general things.
And he tells me about that to be careful at night walking the base because
of the large wild dogs that are around there. And I was like,
what makes them so bad? And he was walking away when I asked,
kind of kind of turning away I to say. He turns back to me
and says that mutants. It turns around. That's the last time I seen
him, because within a couple of it was in the next three weeks they
had moved out and the eighty second had moved in, and I just filed
that under everything else. All right, that's just one more thing that's gonna
hurt me while I'm here. Because an orientation when we got there, they
were like everything out, everything here is evil and can kill you. There's
no and there's no If it kills you, it can it will. If
you get like sand create, if you get better sand create. The U
the venom unit the military had was like, don't call us. You got
about fifteen twenty minutes to live and we don't even have any end. We
don't even any any event for that so in which I did get wind up
getting chased by one of those and that that was fun. So which on't
the word About four and a half months maybe you know, it's been the
end of July, beginning of August somewhere in there. At this point in
time, I was working swing shift for the MWR, that's Morale, Welfare
and Recreation. I started at twelve thirty at the phone and Computer center.
This was the military exclusive because they could access the special Military Network and what
not from it. And what I did there was they'd come in, they'd
hand me their ID, I'd write their name rank in the last four the
social downing, give on my number the number corresponding with either a computer or
a phone. So I did that for about six hours, and then I
went to the game room, which is where they have the TVs and games
and pool tables, ping pong table, a bunch of DVD movies. I
was in there one day and they were watching a bootlegged version if you Will
Love Uh Star Wars episode three that they had that it was it was so
bootlegged. There was one scene that was looped twice and I left when I
seen that. But when I was working the swings. I get off of
like one point thirty and there was bright lights in there, so I would
go out on the back porch and uh, my eyes had just smoke a
cigarette, you know, chat with anybody out there, and being lazy,
I took There was a smain drag on the south side, I remember quickly
was a sell. They called it sniper Road because it faced a directly two
where the interview was hiding. At night, you aren't supposed to use bright
lights, uh low level lighting red lights the green or blue if you have
to, preferably red. But I had had the little pocket one thumb was
almost as big as it, so I could put my thumb over it and
it would leave a little sliver of light that I could see on the ground,
kind of like a crescent moon. And so where the end, where
the where the MWR building was, you could go out the back and along
the wall a little bit and you come out and take the sniper road,
and that would where you came out was, or where the flight line and
where the air Force had their stuff there was the fuel bladder was up there
and what the but the but the main drags Nipper Road went straight down it,
and it was probably i'd say it was a you know, around a
mile long. I'm not sure. I can't remember. But the base was
also on a uh subtle seventy degree slope. That was fun when it rained.
Anyway, this night, I'm getting ready. I'm excited because I'm fixing
go on an R and R. I've been here for around six months,
you know, honestly, you know, I wanted to go see some trees.
You know, I'm from the country. I want to see some trees.
And look, they had some trees there, but I mean, if
you've seen desert trees, it's about the same. Well, I've been walking
down there for maybe a couple of minutes. I wasn't paying any attention.
I just passed the guard tower where the flight line was. And the guard
towers were made out of connex is stacked on top of each other. These
are the fancy shipping crates if you don't know what a connex is, and
they were stacked too high, and they were welded with the Air Force welding
garage, which if you've ever seen, are massive. Anyway, there was
two along the road before I would get to the turnoff where I would just
turn to the left and be able to turn to the right, and I'm
at my bed, so I've passed the first gate and the first tower,
I'm sorry. And in between that one and the second one, the second
one was after where you could be able to walk back into the base.
It was like probably a quarter of a block long, I think, before
you got there from where I was, and it turned back in the base
and turned what I called town square because a chow hall was there, the
base exchange, the phone, the computer center, the officer tents, you
know, all the major players and what not there. So in between that
spot and where I was, I don't know. I still don't quite know
what caught my attention to look off to my right. The right side had
a regular barbed wire fence running down it that was there from the locals because
the other side of that fence was like a pasture for raising their sheep.
So I look off and in I seen something, and then I realized that
that's big. That's that's big, And I kind of get a little bit
of anxiety in my stomach because it's like, oh, that's that's one hundred
and hundred and twenty five feet away. It's you know, it's a good
distance, but you know, after finding out what that possibly was, it
could have made that in no time. And so I never actually slowed down
walking or stuff walking, I mean walking, and I kind of turn around
and look back at the tower and still walking behind myself, walking behind looking
at it, walking backwards, and there is nobody looking in that direction at
the time. I turned back around and I look at it again. I'm
watching it and the moon, and there was enough moon. It was at
least a half moon a half moon there was the show had casting enough light
that I could make out It's like it's it's not exactly it out, but
I guess it did outline parts of it. I'm not really good with distances,
but I can do hyped. Yeah, that's that's what I was looking
for, and where it was about as far as it was the size that
it looked and from where I was and know one that the fence was about
five foot and I'm five eight, I was able to estimate that it is
probably close to the size of a geometro. I know because my mom had
one in the early two thousands. So that's that was you know, you
know, it's like the size of a cow, if you will, and
just like it could it could have messed anything up. But it was walking
parallel with the fence, but at like a thirty thirty five degree angle and
going in the direction opposite direction or away from me. Now he and I
couldn't see. Of course, I didn't think to look for years. I
find out after I got home from that I needed glasses, So that was
probably hindered some of the spiner exterior, small details like an ear or if
it had a tail. If it had a tail, it was probably tucked
up under it. But he was looking very intently in the other direction.
And as I'm doing all this, it's probably happened ten seconds. Maybe I
didn't hang around long to get to where I was going, And then I'll
brain finally filters out information and clicks in and it's like, I bet that's
one of those wild dogs I was told about, which I guess immediately was
like, okay, to big deal. I'm just gonna turn left and go
walk through the base. But as I was observing it, and it felt
like it lasted minutes, I mean it h h Its movement wasn't really it
wasn't jerky, and you could tell that this was what he was doing,
but it was it was just hot. It was something that I don't know,
I can't I could tell that it was Kine. It was not blacker
than black, but definitely because of the moon, and it was a little
darker color. You could see it now. Once I noticed it it,
I could tell that it had reverse joint legs like K nine's. I couldn't
see the feet because it was kind of it was a shrug, crush pasture
or whatever it was we had over there, So there was Zero's foliage enough
on the ground where it would obstruct it if I was close enough to we've
seen it, but I didn't. But one of the things that did,
and I didn't think about it until earlier today, was it's kind of like
it had I don't know, my main that doesn't seem right, more like
a pelt on it's on its back, look in the shor shoulder blades and
on the shoulders kind of. And and it recurred to me today that that
it seemed like it was an important one, like it might have been real,
like it was regal or I don't like it, like he was an
important creature. Of the creatures is the impression that I got. I never
seen the eyes. I didn't smell anything because along this road down towards where
my bedroom was, the place I slept, there was a human waste pond,
and so I wouldn't have been able to have smelled it over the smell
of that. But I never noticed that smell to begin with. So I
don't know. But like I said, I didn't hang around. It's my
brain's like that's a wild dog. You were told not though even think about
them, basically. And luckily I was able to turn in there where the
PX and chow haul was, and so I sat down at one of the
benches outside of the PX where there was a bunch some people, and I
smoked a cigarette to kind of calm me down a little bit. And I've
done that and decided that the best thing to do is just just just walk
through the base. Now it's longer and tedious. It seemed like it took
hours to walk through it. It wasn't really that big, but there's a
lot of turns and twists had to make. But I made the extra effort
to go through several bunkers and whatnot. As I was working my way towards
where I was, just in case, just in case it noticed me,
and was like, hmmmm, American, let's try that. Whether it noticed
me or not, I don't know. I can't imagine a creature this size
not knowing, at least in some degree. But they're in the I couldn't
really tell a kind of bird. It had either that that helt maine or
that that that that buzz on the back of it. So the next day,
after I went home and before I went I made a point after I
got to my hoots, I got my stuff to go take a shower and
shave. I took my time, probably about forty minutes to shower and shave,
just to add an extra bit of something, you know, my sitting
washed my sin off or you know, just just something else. And then
went back and didn't exactly sleep much because we'll come on. I was thinking
about the thing kind of, you know, I was like, what was
that? Was that? No? Just you know, it's a black canaan
type shape and very large, and it was puzzling. But it's not like
I mean, even if it had it would have been a situation somewhere it
would have charged or attacked and noticed me. It wouldn't have mattered if I
was traumatized and terrified, because I couldn't just quit and call someone to come
pick me up. I'm halfway across the world. I'd had to wait,
you know, looking at like a week just for a flight to possibly come
in, and then you have to wait and make sure that you could be
on that flight to leave. So you know, it wouldn't have done any
good to have been terrified. I mean, of course you don't fear.
It doesn't make so much sense because it's like, you know, you might
be afraid of the werewolf, but you come up against something that's even mean
and ugly, and you're like, oh, that's an interesting creature. And
I didn't know anything about the dog man at the time. I didn't I
didn't know that. It never real occurred to me that a were wolf might
actually be its own, independent, separate creature thanks to Hollywood and books and
whatnot, and the creature is like, you know, muddled in with a
bunch of I don't know. There's fun to watch and read, but sometimes
it's not a good idea to pay attention to what you've read in a fictitious
book or in a movie. I really don't want to test the silver bullet
theory, not if I could help it. And so the next day I
walked went and walked back and checked where I could have more light and see
better and do And the angle that was going get either have had to script
through the base and hop the fence there, or had swung by the human
waste pond, maybe as like a scent camouflage or something. I could definitely
tell his movements. I think that he was either stalking or stalking around something,
maybe like avoiding. Maybe. I mean, there could have been another
one on the other side and he was sneaking around the back to catch it,
or he was the bait and the other one would come. I don't
know. It wasn't long after that that I went on R and R,
and eventually I came home and I forgot about it. Yeah, except for
oh yeah, and I didn't know. Only person I told after I got
back was my cousin. I didn't tell anybody else because if there was anybody
that was going to be inclined to believe me, it would have been her,
and me and her were a bit close all our lives as kids and
whatnot, and it was like, you know, yeah, I trusted her,
so I was like, I'm going to tell her. Whether or not
I was believed, I don't know, but at least it made me feel
okay about it. And this is I guess it was cool even though it
was a summer, because it's a desert, it wasn't It doesn't didn't get
as cold as like what some other deserts will get too. I think it
was only like maybe a fifteen or twenty degree difference to night in the day.
During the day, I couldn't even tell you which direction was north because
it seemed like the sun just hung there and then it was gone. I
didn't walk down that road at night again by myself. I'll tell you that.
I'll tell you what, Adam. I know you have more stories to
share with this, including the one where you heard something pounding on the side
of the house. We're out of time. Would you be up for coming
back to do a part two on this? Yeah? Okay, great,
because of course I have questions for you in addition to that. So we'll
just stop it right here and then we'll have you come back for part two
and we'll take her from there. Then alrighty, all right, great,
well, thanks again so much for your time, and have a great nights.