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Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's
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is Hyperblasts. This is our you
know, our normally a little bit quicker

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in and out news show. Today
we do have a couple of sizable releases

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hanging over from the end of March, last week's you know releases and everything

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that we need to clear out of
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So today, at the end of
you know, this old new show,

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so we are going to be talking
and reviewing the new albums from While She

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Sleeps and the new final album from
Some forty one. So if you want

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to hear those then you know,
wait till around to the end of the

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show. We are going to get
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news and business to talk about.
Sam, you were discussing right before sitting

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down to do this show. Obviously, when we get to some things like

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you have been more excited to do
podcasts in the past, Yeah, I

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mean, this is the least enthusiastic
I think I've ever felt about going into

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doing a review, and that can
you need to some of the ABMs you've

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made me review, and like you've
made me review Imperial Triumphant, I might

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prefer reviewing Imperial Triumphant to what is
going to happen? Yeah, so we

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will. We'll get around to that
in some time. A little bit of

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you know, kind of stuff that
has been been going on. I did

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her over you know, the last
week I went along to Creepers. I

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guess you know they're kind of second
tour. Yeah, they're sort of club

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tour, the second tour for Sangua
wore. So obviously I feel like I've

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spoken about Creeper Live fairly recently,
so maybe don't need to go to in

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detail. But you know, this
is sangle War was the T and M

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listener album of the year, wasn't
it. So imagine a lot of people

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listening to us right now. We're
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these dates. I know they got
over to Ireland for the first time in

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like years, so people over there
were very pleased to finally get to see

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Creeper I went along to what was
actually the final night of the tour,

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which descended into a bit of mayhem
at the very end of it. Obviously

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Creeper were fucking wicked. No news
there, I guess it's just, you

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know, in terms of variation from
like the bigger show that they went out

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in and kind of November time,
wasn't it when they did the proper headline

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tour for Sangwavore, bits of kind
of you know, set list tweaking and

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stuff I have, I've seen them, do you know more set list tweaking

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from tor to tour, but still
some notable things there, you know,

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of the Sangua Wore songs. I
was a bit disappointed that one of the

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songs they cut for something else was
Black Heaven, which I did want to

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see again. But everything in there
was obviously still wicked. This thing has

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developed during So they opened with Cry
to Heaven into Poison Pens, which on

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the previous tour Room three o nine
was in that like fast hardcore slot,

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so go big dramatic Cried to Heaven
into mosh tracks. Yeah, creep stands.

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They swapped out the turne in your
Arms musher, But then love has

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led Astray, which I was gonna
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has kind of in the last few
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like blossomed into like a favorite late
album single for a lot of the Creeper

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fan base, because that was always
one of my third tracks on the album,

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but it didn't necessarily scream, like
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like Staples or anything. But this
thing has developed with them where you

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know, the kind of the rose
lyric in that song, people bring like

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roses and like hand them up to
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it literally it's been going on every
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like since they started developing, people
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and like by the end of the
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stage was absolutely coated in roses.
They hadn't brought themselves, so that was

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great. Other you know, like
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you want to see them dip back
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Mass which for the first time in
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Indeed also goes over Cavalry from the
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believe that Midnight is just absent from
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keep asking them this on like if
you follow their like instagrams and stuff,

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and they say that they just played
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then they'll get around to it again. But they've played down Below at every

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single show, like down Below and
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I'm pretty sure you know that I've
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know that album came out, So
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where like within a year they were
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that one, but yeah, they
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the Cavalry was very nice to see. Always a great moment there, the

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kind of mayhem unfolded when so the
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which obviously for the pre that was
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out again with that whole thing was
fucking incredible. And then they went into

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Misery and that was where they I
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know the bit at the very end
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lot of times you know it always
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nail paint part where the crowd just
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of misery before Will even does it
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version of the end because the crowd
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then Will has to kind of bring
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again. That part got completely derailed
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shit housery where it just descended into
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If any of you were at the
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about, where like people were chanting
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who was apparently asleep in the bus
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but people chanting for Steve to come
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you want, Steve, which resulted
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a Milk Teeth, to have to
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black phone saying Steve's asleep, I'm
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into complete mayhem and then the people
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which did result in once they finished
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yeah, we've got time, We'll
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And my favorite part of the show
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a moment of madness, basically handing
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bay throughout that song while he did
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the crowd, and then when he
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rest of the song. He didn't
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the entire rest of the song two
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says exactly what I mean. I've
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diving at hardcore festivals before, like
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So, like you know, I've
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it was one of the rowdier ones
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sound that sounds yeah, And again
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was great. The support acts as
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I also saw at Celestial Darkness Festival
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the only, I guess, one
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kind of goth sphere who I could
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supporting you know, Creeper, and
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different vibe where I went in the
underworld. That Celestial Darkness is like,

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you know, very shadow. We
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then suddenly they were in like in
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like a big light shine and everything. The singer looks exactly like Nandor from

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what we do in the Shadows.
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Darkness Festival, and I was pleased
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like the most kind of like almost
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you're not ensconced in that world,
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comical, like sort of you know, vamping that kind of thing. And

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then Zetra as well, who I've
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really like at least in the live
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times now, which is more than
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fan of and it always just comes
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me. And you know, I
guess we've got some news later about their

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album and everything, and you know, I'm open to hearing more because there's

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not a lot of material out in
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News we will get into it.
We are going to start with an interesting

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little teaser that was uploaded earlier today
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comes from Ghost, which seems to
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in the works that is going to
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it to cinemas, I hope,
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interesting how wider release that would be, like you know, our Ghost at

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that Taylor swift eras tour film level. Probably not, but you know,

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we'll see how far that goes.
But don't entirely have the information of what

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this exactly is yet, but we
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movie coming. Is that a concert
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there may be some other kind of
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the Metallical Through the Ever, through
the Never. I'm getting that vibe of

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like concert film cross with narrative driven
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weird when Metallica did it. Maybe
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have more to do with that.
But yeah, very intriguing. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm curious about this,
Like I'll go see it, Like if

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it comes out a cinemas, I'll
be there. Sure. Yeah. Interesting

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kind of like of all the modern
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you know, the first pick you
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craft something more visual. I think
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Metallica weren't on screen, You're like, I came for Metallica, I don't

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care about all the other stuff.
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you're right, it's gonna be a
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think the narrative is about Papa four. Yeah, and there's the Sister Imperator

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character and all these kind of things
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who if you are like a hardcore
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sort of familiarity with already without them
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seems like, you know, we're
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sort of you would imagine that like
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Emperor, that that character is probably
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of reborn in a new era for
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exactly that. But yeah, I
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of failed. I mean that was
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single example of this being done well. And the Metallica one is bad,

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the led Zeppelin one isn't great,
But I don't know. The sketches that

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Ghost put together are weirdly quite good, Like they're quite aesthetically pleasing, and

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Tobias Forge, I mean a lot
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hopeful. Yeah, if it's a
Ghost concert film, you know, the

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concert part of it will be really
good. Absolutely, And I've said this

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many times. We go but seeing
a you know, a band who we've

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kind of seen come up from a
very small level get to a full on

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concert film in the cinemas type level
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the idea of the sort of extra
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you know, they're the kind of
the unknown quantity right now, and it's

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a very very intriguan to see what
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more news sooner rather than later.
We do have a new single from a

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band that I know a lot of
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called Better Lovers. They have released
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guess this is have they released any
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first? Yeah, the first.
This is the first taste of a probable

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album, Oh sure, yeah,
or a second EP or whatever it turns

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out of being. But you know, past that first kind of statement,

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we have more Better Lovers music.
This is a song that Sam You'll have

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probably heard it live because they've said
that they've been playing it live for a

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fair while before kind of going into
recording it. But Better Lovers the Flowering

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so right in it. I mean, obviously I fucking love this, Like

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no shit, I heard a planning. I was like, yeah, cool,

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Better Lovers. I just I've kind
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the now there's but in the middle
of it gets that really weird, and

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I was like, that's quite cool, like sort of different, the weird

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tweaky tempo breakdown bit. Yeah,
like that bit that was, Oh that's

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cool, that's different. And that's
and then the final bit with like the

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bodies burning or I come with the
lyrics, but like there's that kind of

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hook that Greg shouting. I was
like, yeah, cool, just keep

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piling this up for me. I'll
have all of this I can eat.

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Yeah, there's a cool there's a
cool like little Shop of Horrors inspired music

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video with it. I agree,
I think for me actually, like when

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I press play on it, because
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much time as you and I know
many others listening to like that EP putting

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this on, I to kind of
adjust, like, oh yeah, like

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they aren't the Matheist sort of like
maddest band you've ever heard. It's kind

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of like it's quite accessible at the
start with the kind of just sort of

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like a thrashy you know, kind
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of quality. It's not complete chaos. But then when that breakdown bit arrived

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and the tempost started being all sort
of fucking bars, slippery. I was

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like, Oh cool, that's like
a nice switch from where we had been.

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I can't think of another band who
have fewer songs. And yeah,

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it kind of seems reliably great already, because if this is the fifth or

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they've got the pedigree where like people
who like the what the members do are

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going to just slaver over this case
in point yeah, and like it's totally

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justified because it is still great.
Isn't just a case of Oh, it's

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the guys, and every time I
die with Greg, it's going to be

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great. Like it's as good as
you would expect that to be. And

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I love the little wobbly effect they
put on Greg's voice in this. It's

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like he doesn't need any help to
sound great, but he just adds a

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cool flavor, which means I won't
mistake the song for any other better lovers

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tunes. I think, Yeah,
I mean, I think I'm maybe more

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like you perinin that I'm not slathering
over this band the way other people seem

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to be. But I'm yet to
hear a thing I don't think is like

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really fucking good. And I've also
I've put this next thing in basically excuse

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of these for Sam as a kind
of like a continuation of where we've just

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been. Four Years Strong. I've
been releasing a couple of singles for what

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I presumably be an album at some
point, and that'll be cool because you

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know, they've been on a good
run of form lately and we've kind of

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cited them as being, you know, as such. They released a new

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single again today as we're doing this, and it's straight up got and every

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Time I Die riff in it was
like, yeah, fuck that is that

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is literally just an every time I
don't mean but every now and then.

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They'll always have a kind of hardcore
influenced song, They've always had that in

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them, but this one like really
goes on that like crushing kind of every

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time I die like seven tinged like
hardcore riffing, and I'm well into it.

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This was like a nice little pairing
for me of like, oh yeah,

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cool, this stuff's still out there
even if every time I die on't

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I'll take it. Yeah, I'm
not familiar with four Years Strong at all.

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I knew they were kind of a
pop punk band with a bit of

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the hardcore thing. It literally does
sound like every time I die. This

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is one of the heaviest songs they've
ever done, Like they've they've they've had

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heavier moments in it, and but
it always has been a bit more rooted

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in pop punk. This is sure, yeah, like kind of shipping that

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out and just kind of going let's
just let's just rock and go hard and

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it's really good. Like again,
I wasn't expecting to be all that keen

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on this just from the kind of
world that I know four You Strong come

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from. But I think it might
be the best Jordan Buckley riff of the

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week. I think it's like it's
like that slippery thing you were saying.

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It comes straight out the gay with
that, and the vocals would surprisingly manic.

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Like a lot of pop punk bands
when they do the hardcore, they

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have the two vocalist thing where they
can do that quite nicely for you Strong.

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Yeah, like weirdly shrieky and shrill
and quite intense, which I wasn't

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I wasn't expecting, So I don't
know, maybe this is a blind spot

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that I need to unblind look out. Yeah, they are that, they're

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one of the one of the best
bands in that in that world for sure.

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But as as you were saying,
Sam, It's just like if you're

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enjoying the better Lovers tune and you
need another song directly afterwards, that kind

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of you know, moves out of
that very nicely. For you stronger boll

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bands currently, have you covered some
sad in news For fans of you know,

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heavy and hard stuff is Misery Signals. You know, the latest man

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have been sort of stream with them
in the last few weeks or whatever,

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but Misery Signals have announced that they
are, you know, over the next

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however long, are going to be
embarking on their farewell tour. Misery Singles

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are a band that I don't think
we've ever spoken about on this podcast.

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We certainly we've never reviewed any of
their albums. I am only passingly familiar

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with, like the big one,
basically the two thousand and four one that

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everyone loves yes, which is of
Malice and the Magnum Heart. I had

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to say, like, and the
last time I heard that record, it

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did not punch up into being like
one of the the upper tier records of

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that era of metalcore in my view. But I know a lot of people

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do hold that as being like,
oh yeah, that's like, you know,

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the fucking two thousand and four metalical
record or whatever. If you're not

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going to say, you know,
the End of Heartache or or something else

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oncoming store or yeah, but you
know, good year dedicated metal core,

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metallic hardcore people really seen to you
know, vibe with with misery signals in

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that era of it. They are
going to be going. They've currently they've

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only announced their US states for this. They have said that you know,

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Europe in the UK, you know, keep your eyes peeled. It will

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counbook those flights just yet. Yeah, so you know, maybe that'll be

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a tour, maybe they'll turn up
at fucking Outbreak twenty twenty five, whatever

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it will be. But they've also
they're doing set with both of their previous

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lead singers are going to be you
know, coming together and doing songs from

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their respective kind of eras, which
if you again, if you're a big

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fan of everything is cool, I
guess you know I'll throw to you Sam

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here as the person who was you
know vocally like you know, peaked by.

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You know, misery signals farewell to
and everything, but what a misery

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signals kind of mean to that era? And you know, what's your take

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on on this announcement. Well,
I mean, actually they've got that like

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one like classic album of Malice in
the Magnum Heart that that is, for

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me, is one of the like
real top tier Naiise Milk or records,

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so that they've just one of those
bands who just remained remarkably consistent, never

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really did anything sure that wasn't at
least like very good, And I think

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that was they were just one of
those bandses just kind of like reliably kept

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on going, have that classic album
that people kind of really hold onto.

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I never actually ever had had a
chance to see them live yet, so

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this one we're like, Okay,
this is because they don't come here very

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often. So this one I'm like, yeah, this UK tour happens,

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I've got to get to that.
But you know, they've had a good

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They everyone those bands, I've had
a good innings. They've kept consistent in

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terms of quality and output. Now's
the time for them to bow out,

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and they're kind of bringing every aspect
of that previous like lineup for vocalists together.

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I think it'll be a nice send
off. Yeah, and maybe more

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discussion can be had there. But
Misery signals hopefully for UK fans, you

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know something coming sooner rather than later. Zetra as I sort of hit earlier.

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They have finally announced that their debut
album feels like Zetra been around for

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fucking ages now in terms of people
being like kind of oh, they're coming.

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They finally actually got a debut album
out is coming out on September thirteenth

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via Nuclear Blast. They've released a
single, which features Serena Chi and backing

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vocals. My interest is pete by
the fact that they've also said in the

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track list Gabriel L Franco from Onto
Others is also going to be on one

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of these songs. Are going to
be happy with that, aren't you?

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Well? I mean I hope he
just comes in just going. It's just

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something absolutely ridiculous and that would be
very ad living over the song. Yeah,

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but they gave him no lyrics like
you do your thing like like a

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goth HP Baxter coming in just go
Yeah. But yeah, Zetra finally got

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an album coming out in the second
half of this year. Unexpectedly, dream

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Car Davey Havott came out of nowhere
this week saying, oh yeah, Friday,

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dream Car have got a new EP. It's called I Think just dream

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dream Car. I assumed we're just
like not active anymore because they released one

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album in twenty seventeen. I have
to say I love that album. I

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really good ABU. Yeah, I
still listen to it kind of, you

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know, whenever I'm in a sort
of AFI period, I will listen to

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some dream Car as as well.
But I've I didn't know how I guess

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beloved that album was and how many
other people out there were still listening to

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it, whether I was some weird
outlier, and I just presumed that that

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was that project was you know,
done, because they didn't see no one

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and done. Yeah, but maybe
it's just the thing they can come round

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to whenever they feel like they have
the moment or whatever, without any sort

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of pressure on it. And again
I haven't heard this EP yet. I

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hope it's, as you know,
up to the quality of the album.

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But just the fact that dream Car
as a project is alive is like quite

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exciting to use to me. It
is. It is also just like fucking

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tour the UK of a FI please
Dave. Like, I think it's great

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that dream Car back. I'm excited, but it is just like it's one

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more obstacle in the way of that
a fi UK tour now and it's just

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do we need that at the moment. Yeah, I would say that that

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wasn't happening either way. I would
say that dream Cart has not knocked it

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down the pecking order. You know, if it happens, it happens,

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be hilarious. If dream Card got
her first, I swear I'll go,

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I'll go because then I can just
be like, well, at least I've

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been in the presence of live so
that's fine. Yeah, gomes Adam's mustache

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at the moment. Absolutely, Yeah. Im looking forward to hearing the new

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the new dream Card music. A
couple more album announcements with some singles attached

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to them as well. Candy in
the you know, noisy, erratic hardcore

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world, the person's hardcore speaking that. I'm glad that you remember that as

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well. Yeah, Candy. Everyone
announced their third album called It's Inside You.

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It's going to be out on June
the seventh via Relapse. There is

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a one minute twenty two single called
exist ends spelled exactly, which means it

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has to be a David Cronenberg reference. We are going inside the video games.

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Yeah, just Candy are kind of
very They're very like boiled down to

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base components, aren't they. It's
like there are kind of erratic you know

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out there, Like there's lots of
like breakbeats and shit like that and kind

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of you know, electronics and stuff
in this, but it's like a simplistic

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one minute twenty to the point version. They kind of you know, yeah,

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they sort of follow the middle of
that then diagram, don't they.

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Yeah. I feel like when they
came out, people just going, oh,

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you know, it's kind of baby
code orange. It just sounds a

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bit like Forever, but I don't
know, like it kind of sounds like

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Forever at the most cave man and
mental, which is fine for me because

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you listen to this and it's just
the sound of it is insane, Like

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how do you get drums that sound
like that? The way they clatter,

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they almost drown out everything in the
mix for eighty seconds. You really have

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to pay quite close attention to see
what else is going on. I think

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I don't want to say that under
Race because they do it quite a lot

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of credit, but I think maybe
somewhat selling them short saying they've boiled it

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down because there's so many memorable parts. Even in this eighty second song,

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they kind of had that slightly experimental
hark, but they are the most feral,

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like just rabid version of that,
just frashing out there. So it

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kind of hits the nice balance of
being interesting so just not having any kind

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of pretension to it and just kind
of still wanting to murder you essentially,

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but I'm just down for that.
That kind of onslot of noise coming from

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Candy every time. Yeah, and
then also coming out on June the seventh,

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and they're also speaking of kind of
projects sort of emerging from a slumber.

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I guess Umbra Vita are back with
a second album, which you may

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remember Umbra Vita as being the I
guess death metal band kind of sort of

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a hardcore leaning death metal band.
Unsurprisingly in terms of the members, fronted

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by Jacob Bannon featuring members of Job
for a Cowboy, The Red Cord,

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Sean Martin of Twitching Tongues formerly of
Hate Breed is the main riffer involved here,

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which explains why it's pretty fucking at
it doing again like very violent death

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metal stuff. Again, I didn't
I enjoyed the deb alam came out in

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twenty twenty. I think it was. I think it was a pandemic album.

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I liked it because it's you know, a fast, furious death metal

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album with fucking Jake Bannon screaming you. I'm not going to not enjoy that,

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but I did. Again, it's
another one, like I didn't know

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how much it had actually sort of
like duck around in people's imagination and how

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much of a sort of like memory
hole it had kind of you know,

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carved out. So again another nice
surprise to be like, oh cool,

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you know we are getting a second
and brevite record. And again this is

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a two minute single that's been released
from this belief is obsolete and I am

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hit by some properly you know,
nasty Sean Martin fucking metal riffs. Yeah.

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I mean it's kind of equo your
sentiments on whether it's forgote or not.

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I completely forgot this projects ever existed
until today, Like, which is

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weird Jake Bannon for the death metal
band? Yeah, but I think,

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I mean, I have a hard
time keeping up with all the kind of

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Massachusetts metallic cardcore spinoffs there are.
Is that the folk Onorn? Is that

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a sludge one? Is that guys
from Caving or you know that there's so

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many and they're pretty much all of
consistently high quality and listening to this,

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I mean I haven't gone back to
that record yet, but if it's as

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good as this, I definitely will
because I think this is again, is

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it death metal? I don't know
if that's the right word. It's sort

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of the melting pot, isn't it
sort of you know, death thrash,

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hardcore, bit of grind. Yeah, it's kind of like converged with red

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cord riffs, which yeah, I
like. Yeah, good stuff. That's

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as said coming out on June the
seventh, There and Revite the Dillander escape

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Plan have been announced for Brutal AsSalt
Festival in Chechia, which is bizarrely that

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they lead off here the Brutals announcement
with them the worst thing to start an

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announcement with, which is they say, might be boring for someone, but

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definitely not for us. Why are
you selling yourself short like that You've you've

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booked the Dillander Escape Plan. Why
why do you put your word forward?

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That's not how you do advertising.
But the reason that this is, I

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00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,599
guess, you know, high profile
news for us over here in the UK

405
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,119
is this announcement. They've also said
that Dillander skate plan. This is of

406
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,519
course the you know, Dmitry fronted
calculating Ufinity playing version of Dillinger that is

407
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:56,279
going around. It's the first European
continent you know booking that that has made

408
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,400
and it says here an exclusive show
for Western and Central European metal festivals.

409
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,799
Now there's a couple of different hoops
there that I'm like, you know,

410
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,039
does it mean no other festivals can
book them? You know, where are

411
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,440
the confines of like western Central Europe? Are you going to see them turn

412
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,079
up in like and they're Poland or
Russia or someone going further further east?

413
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,119
Probably not RuSHA at the moment,
but you know, and you know,

414
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,000
we were sort of wondering, like, you know, I would I read

415
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,680
this and I presumed, ah,
you know, no UK date certainly this

416
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:30,599
year because Western Europe I imagine includes
US. But uh, yeah, do

417
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,480
you reckon this is? Uh you're
basically your one shot to see this version

418
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:41,440
of Dillinger in Europe. I mean, if the way it's gone so far

419
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,440
as anything to go by, they'll
be playing like shows to the end of

420
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,079
time. Because every time they've announced
a show. Since coming back, it's

421
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:48,559
been like this is really it?
Now, it's really is it? So

422
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:53,559
they're watching it exactly exactly, So
it's next year there might be a full

423
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:59,519
touring unit of a full Dillinger tour. Again, it's I don't think i'd

424
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,799
travel to the to go see didn't
just keep the funding this form. But

425
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:08,000
it is like, I also,
I'm kind of suspicious that there will be

426
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,440
something next year. I've no reason
to think that, but it just based

427
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,799
on the way this is going,
it just seems like it's going to snowball

428
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,440
into something bigger. Yeah, maybe
twenty twenty five they'll do, you know,

429
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000
turn to put headlining Art Tangent or
something along those lines. I mean,

430
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,640
those are the only thing is that
because obviously I'm on their podcasts and

431
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,119
the promoters of Art Tangent and Daniation
have both basically said they're asking too much

432
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,480
money for what this version of Dylinger
would would bring in. So those the

433
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,680
most act of places they would turn
up. But if they've already sort of

434
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,160
said at the amount they're asking it, so it's unlikely. I don't know

435
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,279
if anyone would kind of stump up
for to get dinner over here. Yeah,

436
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,039
I don't know, a nice bit
of just sort of like wholesome metal

437
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,960
history news. Dan Lilker is going
to be filling in for Frank Bellow of

438
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Anthrax for a few shows coming up
in you Know the Americas, which were

439
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,200
the first time he's played with Anthrax
for forty years. He of course played

440
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,640
on their you know, their very
first record and then got kicked out and

441
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,839
then went into a career of like
making way harder, slimier, nastier music.

442
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,160
And I loved his quote for this, saying, oh, yeah,

443
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,519
it was really nice having to learn
Anthrack songs from the nineties because I've been

444
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,839
playing in fucking Brutal Truth and it's
really easy, so just sleepwalk into that.

445
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:18,640
But yeah, nice, as I
said, history there, and this

446
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,559
is very exciting, nice news for
me. Nine Inch Nails currently Trent Reznoranticus

447
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,720
Acus Ross on the cover of GQ
magazine, and there's a whole feature there

448
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:34,480
in which they detail that they are
basically going into producing absolutely everything. I

449
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,400
don't know if you guys have read, like seen this list of things they're

450
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,640
doing. They've like based apparently they
spent the last couple of years starting up

451
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,480
some kind of nine inch Nails company
that is like branching out into making millions

452
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:49,559
of things where there's like a fashion
line and like a video production kind of

453
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:56,000
company and like an epic games collaboration
and fucking cume knows what's going on there.

454
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Again, they said that they're like
producing movies and stuff like with kind

455
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,079
of I don't know how that extends
out of nine inch Nails, but they

456
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,599
said there's a TV show coming with
the creator of The Bear and the one

457
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:08,839
that really made my fucking nys go, what is that? Apparently they're making

458
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:14,480
a film with Mike Flanagan, which
is like two areas of my you know,

459
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,480
kind of fandom and interest. I
did not expect to cross over in

460
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,640
that way. So that's very bizarre
and I don't know what that will entail.

461
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,559
But they've also said with this that
they are now you know, starting

462
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:27,680
to really think about making new nineich
Nails material, and that is news that

463
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,519
made my heart singing, because Trent
Reznor has unfortunately spent the last couple of

464
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,559
years being very down on the idea
of making new units Nails in that kind

465
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:40,240
of like what's the point in the
streaming era kind of way. That we've

466
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,599
seen some artists go for and you
know, you feel for him, but

467
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,079
like it's it's okay for Gene Simmons
to say that because he's Gene Simmons and

468
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,480
no one really cares about getting a
new Kiss album or anything, and like,

469
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,079
yeah, the streaming world doesn't need
a Kiss album, but I would

470
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,039
still like new Unich Nails albums.
Nine inch Nails have something to offer,

471
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,039
like yeah, I mean outside of
the fort of Trent Reznor in Fortnite,

472
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:08,880
Like yeah, nine Snails album,
please give us something like from that,

473
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,400
because I have every fate. They're
on those sort of like long and more

474
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400
established of would say Lexy band at
this point. I don't know, like

475
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,559
it depends on how you define it, because they are in terms of age,

476
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,759
they absolutely are. The problem is
they're still vital. Yeah exactly,

477
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,720
that's I mean, they're They're one
of the I was gonna say, that's

478
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,720
what I was saying, like obviously, of Legsy band, they are the

479
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:32,440
ones who I would have the most
faith in, like again coming out with

480
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,079
something legitimately special. Well, for
me, nine Snails are one of those

481
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,359
bands where even though I've been into
them for like at least a decade.

482
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,200
I feel like I'm always finding new
things, and even in the last few

483
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,920
years we've gone quite a lot of
nineach Nails a bit, it's never enough.

484
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:48,720
They are one of those bands like
no more more of that. So

485
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,559
if this, I mean, if
if they have to be in Fortnite to

486
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:57,839
also make new music, then that
is a Fortnite like Francis phil Coppola having

487
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,440
is like whinings to fund new movie, having his Fortnite escapade those v Bucks

488
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,920
and its Nails funded entirely by v
Bucks. Yeah, very exciting. Again,

489
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720
you probably wouldn't imagine this turning up, you know, within the next

490
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,359
year or anything anytime soon. But
just the fact that they are like actually

491
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,960
interested in making Nine Nails music when
the last few times he'd asked you'd asked

492
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160
him, he'd said, no,
I'm not interested in making new United Nails

493
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,720
music. We're moving in the right
direction. So that is very very good

494
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200
and you know, to keep you
kind of you know, ticking over until

495
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,200
we reached that point. Something that's
presumably arriving a lot sooner is that Mike

496
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Portnoy has finished tracking drums on the
new Dream Theater album, which I have

497
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,079
to say I put it in there
obviously because I can go sam a little

498
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,319
bit, but moving very swiftly.
It feels like not very long ago that

499
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,079
we were talking about Mike Portnoy rejoining
Dream Theater and now he's like, oh

500
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,079
yeah, I've tracked drums for the
whole new album. I was like,

501
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,759
oh shit. I had was like
when did he rejoined? Because I was

502
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,240
like, didn't he leave? I
was like, no, he did rejoin,

503
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,759
just like within the last few months
that he rejoined. Yeah. Yeah.

504
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,519
This was one that just confused me. But I mean, yay,

505
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,000
yeay. It seems like they're just
giving him back the band because it's like,

506
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,680
I mean, there will be less
shit now he's back in. Yeah,

507
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,680
undoubtedly, but it they're just going, oh yeah, you write the

508
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,799
record, Oh yeah, you can
pick the set lists. It's like it's

509
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,119
again Monkey's pots on. Ohyeah,
I like to be in Dream Theater.

510
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,759
Okay, now that's all the thing
you have time for. Now you are

511
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:28,359
swamps with Dream Theater. But I
mean we said this is something. I

512
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,119
was never one of those it's not
Dream Theater without Mike Portnoyd people, But

513
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:37,960
my excitement is substantially higher for him
being in the band questions after their return

514
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,359
to Hyperblasts last week. We are
kicked off here primarily got a couple that

515
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,839
are sort of related to you know
what We're going to then spend some of

516
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160
the later part of that they're talking
about. But Michael Thomas is gonna kick

517
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,839
us off with I guess it's maybe
continuations what we're just saying with Trent res

518
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,599
and everything. Is there still a
place for double albums in the market primarily

519
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,480
led by streaming, And maybe this
isn't the answer to the question you are

520
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,839
intending. I don't know, but
I'm going to go with the kind of

521
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,559
high horse route here and say I
don't care. It is about artistic expression.

522
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,359
Like if I can't think of an
example from the last couple of years,

523
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,279
it isn't you know, I am
made, nor Metallica or someone,

524
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,200
but like, you know, throw
your mind back to someone like Yellow and

525
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Green by Baroness or whatever. If
that came out right now, If Baroness

526
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,960
turned up and like, yeah,
we've made a double album, we did

527
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,039
it. You know, they're not
doing it to gain any numbers or anything.

528
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:30,799
I would argue about like Baroness,
they're streaming. Probably isn't going to

529
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,400
be affected by. You know,
they're not on any kind of up in

530
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,759
terms of like oh shit, we're
gonna make sure we get in playlists,

531
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,519
right, Baroness or Baroness. They
kind of are where they are if they

532
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,160
turned up and a band who are
particularly bands who are like primarily about selling

533
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:52,440
physical records, where a double album
still you know, like, yeah,

534
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:59,759
it's the actual physical like layout of
the product makes sense in terms of like,

535
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,759
yeah, this is what it was
intended to be and it's coming from

536
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:07,639
that kind of creative standpoint. I
you know, are you going to see

537
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:14,440
like a world smashing led Zeppelin physical
graffiti style double album? Ever again,

538
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,920
I would certainly not imagine so in
the streaming era. I guess only if

539
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,639
like I know, like the whole
mainstream music world is talking about the Beyonce

540
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,239
album right now, which has like
a million tracks on it. But if

541
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,039
if someone was gonna say that that's
all I can think of in this sort

542
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,679
of thing, is that Beyonce is
really like an hour twenty seven minute like

543
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,800
yeah song wherever country album. But
if someone of like their if like a

544
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,880
Beyonce or a Taylor Swift or someone
like that, of like that kind of

545
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:44,559
cultural you know, ubiquitousness goes.
Yeah, I've got a double album.

546
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,280
That's when the only time that double
album will enter any sort of like again

547
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,199
public discourse or anything at the moment. But in terms of our bands,

548
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,639
for whom streaming doesn't fucking mean a
lick of shit anyway, I would say

549
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,480
it's like, no, a double
album doesn't make sense if you're trying to

550
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:06,519
gain the streaming service at the moment. I would say that our bands don't

551
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,719
really care about that anyway at the
moment, and so they can still be

552
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,320
produced. Yeah, I think that's
the most kind of like elegant way of

553
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,760
putting it in kind of like really
getting into it. I currently counter anything

554
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,320
you've said there, because this is
it's all about the long album now anyway

555
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,320
for a lot of artists, about
getting as many songs into as many playlists

556
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,559
as possible. And on the flip
side, it's frother ices about not doing

557
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,079
any albums and it's just doing a
constant stream of like EPs or whatever.

558
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,280
So the double album itselfing kind of
like weirdly doesn't sit in there. But

559
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000
I think the bands are gonna do
it, are gonna do it because that's

560
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,119
the statement they want to make at
the time, and they don't really care

561
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,280
of how it's gonna go that no
one's going to make it just a double

562
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:52,440
album on a whim likes it's clearly
an intended grander piece of work. So

563
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:54,920
why not still do them. I
think it's a hard question to answer because

564
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:00,159
in some ways we're living in the
golden age of the double album. No

565
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,079
one's calling them double albums. We
just have loads of like low effort,

566
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,199
thirty song albums that seems come about
multiple times a year, and it's even

567
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,719
it's not even just in hip hop
and in that sort of thing where this

568
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,599
kind of came from. Like one
of the best albums, maybe even the

569
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,199
best selling album of last year,
if less I'm mistaken, was that Morgan

570
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,199
Wollen album, which is a country
music record. There's like thirty five songs

571
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,760
and it's yeah, it's it's the
rap formula. So no one's calling it

572
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,320
a double album. It's longer than
a lot of famous double albums, which

573
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,800
is more like eighty to ninety minutes. And in some sense the streaming makes

574
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,360
double albums easier because they don't cost
the listener any more to listen to than

575
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800
a normal album, you can jump
around tracks easily, and you know,

576
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,000
like we said, in the age
of playlisting, the more songs the better.

577
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,440
The trouble is, I think it
could lead to sort of shitty double

578
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,920
albums, where for me, a
lot of my favorites are super varied,

579
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,320
have loads of weirder sides, like
the White Album by the Beatles as songs

580
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,480
in are quite shit in isolation,
but work to make the album better as

581
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,039
a whole. But that doesn't really
work in the age of streaming. You're

582
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:06,280
like, you wouldn't you wouldn't play
list some of the thirty to forty second

583
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,239
songs on that record, So sort
of to take the opposite view that you've

584
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,760
say conparm but like the more cynical
marketing idea would kind of I mean that

585
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,679
that sort of thing doesn't exist anymore, and it's so in some sense,

586
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,079
I think now is the perfect time
start releasing double albums. On the other

587
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,679
hand, if you are going to
obey the laws of streaming, you're going

588
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,800
to make bad ones. Yeah,
I think it's it's a time that requires

589
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,599
less effort than ever to you know, put out a release of like thirty

590
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:43,159
songs like that that isn't formatted and
structured in a you know, physical sense

591
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,960
like a double album would be,
and it is just a essentially an extended

592
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,199
playlist of like here's my thirty five
new songs, you know, PayPal,

593
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,840
Drake's bank account, whatever. But
uh, and it requires more effort than

594
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,719
ever to physically manufacture them in terms
of like vinyl costs and shit like that.

595
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400
You know, a double LP is
much more expensive to you know,

596
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,840
produce and therefore to buy then you
know, a single one. But in

597
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,199
terms of just like like like Shamash
are like an underground band that I really

598
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,400
love who have produced like a double
album and they've also then done a triple

599
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,239
album, right, And it's like
they're not selling a huge amount of units,

600
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,679
but they just went, yeah,
it makes sense for these albums we've

601
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,480
made to be the so this is
what we called them. So I guess,

602
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:29,840
you know, is there a place
in terms of the streaming market,

603
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,360
like not for the double album as
we imagined. It more just sort of

604
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,079
a you know, elongated thing that
no one calls a double album anymore,

605
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,400
Like you were saying, like like
you know, the new Beyonce thing or

606
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,320
whatever. But for a tiny band
who streaming isn't fucking you know, paying

607
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,119
their bills anyway? Who cares?
Just make what you want to make.

608
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,800
And if you want to make it
and you have the means to then then

609
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,480
go ahead and do it. Tyler
Ballad asks with some forty want doing a

610
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,639
farewell tour. It makes me curious
to know who stands out as your favorite

611
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,920
last gig from a band. And
this was you know, you've seen what

612
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:06,400
normally happens is bands will just bust
and implode right and you'll you'll have seen

613
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400
them for the last time, but
you won't have known it when you were

614
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,119
watching them, and then you go, oh shit, that was the last

615
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:14,000
one. I was thinking more here
in terms of, like, you know,

616
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,079
going into a show knowing this is
the farewell this is the last one.

617
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,840
And I couldn't think of that many
at first, and then I went

618
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,519
down the list and I was like, oh, I've seen a few,

619
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,840
and I've come up with a list
of I've got nine bands here where I'm

620
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,960
sure that I saw, you know, like at least a farewell tour or

621
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,920
whatever, if not their their last
one. What about you, guys in

622
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,079
terms of any sort of standout favorites. I mean, the standout picked me

623
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,599
of like the best last year ever
seen, isn't their last show anymore?

624
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,599
So I can't really, I don't
think it because it's dillinger like that that

625
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,440
last tour I saw Dylingdron was absolutely
perfect, and now it's kind of like

626
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,639
the watermark for what a final sort
of fair is a farewell version, And

627
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,920
we also don't know if we are
actually going to see this new version,

628
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,679
you know, I mean, you
know what botch like I thought about it.

629
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,119
Yeah, it's it counts the fairwell
as much they have said this is

630
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,800
yeah, this is a one off, so I'm just counting that because all

631
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,119
the other ones are ones rather like
again they've ever come back like Yellow Card

632
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,800
or the Gas like Anthem or anything
like that, or have just imploded and

633
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,280
kind of like those legendary sort of
things like that. I could probably say

634
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,599
every Time I Die the last every
Time I Die show probably was one of

635
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,400
the best shows I've seen, but
it like it wasn't meant to be.

636
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,519
Yes, every Time I Die.
We're not counting those spontaneous implosions directon you.

637
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,760
Me at six will creep into this
list for you. I'm sure they

638
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,320
will. When that tour comes.
When that tour rolls around, I'm very

639
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,320
confident that that will land a very
honorable high up spot in the best final

640
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,199
tours I see. Yeah, the
only two that really came to mind for

641
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,559
me were, like you said,
Sam Dillingder, Escape Plan who were back,

642
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,719
and the one that I always referred
to was Slayer, who're also back.

643
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,599
So it's like my two treasured final
tour shows are no longer final tour

644
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,599
shows. So outside of that,
the only band who's actual last gig I've

645
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:14,320
seen I think is probably Ohms have
you seen the Adampination last year? Who

646
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,639
like they were great. I'm not
that connected to their music, so it

647
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,280
wasn't like this you know, weepy
moment For me, it was just great

648
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,440
getting to see them for the first
and last time. But yeah, there

649
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,280
was something funny about it, like
thinking back to that Slayer show and how

650
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Catharskit felt and now it's like,
oh, there's there's more now. Yeah.

651
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,840
For me, it's like, you
know, if you go back several

652
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,039
episodes too, when we had the
big discussion about Slayers reunion and what we

653
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:42,119
thought about it, For me,
there is like a treasured final memory with

654
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,719
that, you know, Slayer show
and everything that this version is almost like

655
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,920
just a unconnected extension of in a
way. So again my list, I've

656
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,239
got here of like bands where I've
seen a farewell tour or whatever, so

657
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,800
you've mentioned a few of them,
botch. I guess counts omes Dyllingers for

658
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,679
me. I might have told the
story before. It's slightly tired by the

659
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,119
fact that they were going to play
forty three percent Burn at the very end

660
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,079
of the set, and then someone
in the crowd had a seizure and they

661
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,280
had to end early. So the
Dylander farewell show that I saw got like

662
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,639
cut short one song from the end, but the obviously they were amazing Dark

663
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,400
Fortress last year I made an effort
to go down to London and see their

664
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,679
final London show and that was really
really great because I love that band.

665
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:22,360
Several years ago again and another band
who were now were sort of back and

666
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,000
playing shows, but I went down
ages ago to see the final weekend Natcho

667
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,079
show in London when they came in, and that was great. A couple

668
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:36,800
of bigger ones Hymn's farewell took does
I missed that? I missed that failed

669
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,920
talk because I was really all the
attitive of them in London, and I

670
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880
was so ill that night, and
so that is like a bitter yeah for

671
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,079
me, And that stands out as
being a really good one because it was

672
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,480
the first time that I'd seen him
as well. But also, you know,

673
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:50,440
there were ropeye reports of him live
over the years, but I know

674
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,719
that kind of you know, Villa
kind of really got his ap together and

675
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,400
made sure that this last tour was
like stand out and they were fantastic.

676
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,920
So I have a brilliant, you
know, final memory of him there.

677
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:06,360
Similarly, the Twisted Sisters when they
played Bloodstock in twenty sixteen, and that

678
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,719
was like the final you know,
Twisted Sister are going out. I think

679
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,079
everyone who saw that sites that as
like one of the best Bloodstock headline slots

680
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:17,800
ever. Like it was so insanely
victorious and celebratory and they were fucking wonderful.

681
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,920
One that again fands that means a
lot to me. It was a

682
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,199
weird one with Ulter of Plagues,
where Ultra of Plagues rather swiftly broke up

683
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,239
in the first place, and then
they came back like two years later in

684
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,320
like twenty fifteen, and we're like, yeah, so we're just doing a

685
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,199
final run of shows because we didn't
do one in the you know when we

686
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,079
actually broke up. But that was
the only time I got see Ultra Plagues.

687
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,559
It was a damnation and they were
absolutely incredible. And again that's that

688
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:45,920
was an experience. It really meant
a lot to me because otherwise Ultra of

689
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,800
Plagues would be you know, one
of those fucking favorite bands of mine's away

690
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,800
what if who I never got to
see, so seeing that one really did

691
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,159
the stand out. But again,
the best answer is the obvious one.

692
00:43:54,159 --> 00:44:00,880
It's Slayer. Slayer's final UK show
at download probably for ever be the find

693
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,440
that like the greatest final stand show
I've ever seen, even though they are

694
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,840
now back, but yeah again I
don't know if I'll see them or not,

695
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,679
so whatever, it still stands.
That's that's the one. But with

696
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,360
a few others as well that are
We're there very good indeed. And Calum

697
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,519
Reid asks, this is a almost
a tetchie question in terms of like is

698
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,000
it even sensible to do this?
Calum Reid asks, there are lots of

699
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,760
niche metal festivals happen at the moment, like Cosmic Void and Awful fest.

700
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,079
I like the Awful Fest is one
of the examples you've gone to, and

701
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,880
again you can throw out loads of
us from Fortress Fest, which is a

702
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,840
dedicated black metal festival to you know, there are a lot that have popped

703
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,239
up in recent years. If you
were to organize your own one, what

704
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,000
genre would you focus on and what
are some of the bands you'd have on

705
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,800
the dream lineup? So as I
sort of the first thing to say is

706
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:54,679
in a sensible, like real life
terms, I wouldn't do this. It

707
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,559
seems like a bad idea, Like
how many festivals have we seen pop up

708
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,760
and then lose money and then fucking
like get canceled before they happen or whatever.

709
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,800
And I again as a punter,
it's it's weird because it's almost like

710
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,039
a monkey's poor curly situation because there
are suddenly loads of festivals in the UK,

711
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,039
small ones I really want to go
to, but there are so many

712
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,199
that I can't go to them all. Yeah, yeah, and just purely

713
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,039
if I go London black metal festivals, there are like three or four happening

714
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:30,119
per year and I can't go to
all of those, Like surely just London

715
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:31,599
black Metal Festival, you should have
one of those you know, but now

716
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,360
they're all fucking in there and they're
all competing. And then I said,

717
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,800
you can cast that to other genres
and stuff as well. So first off,

718
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,199
I wouldn't do this, but if
I was forced to do it,

719
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:50,679
you've got to think basically what niche
is not currently being perfectly like Fortress is

720
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,360
a dedicated black metal festival, Cosmic
Void is a dedicated black metal festival.

721
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,880
I would not book up like,
hey, does anyone want to come see

722
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
some Norwegian black metal bands? Right? That just seems like a bad idea

723
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,280
right now in terms of dipping and
te into that pool. Obviously you've got

724
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,000
math rock and post rock and stuff
is kind of you know, you've got

725
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:07,840
art tangent. It was kind of
thing. So you've got to think,

726
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,400
what do I actually want to set
up? What festival would I like to

727
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,559
go to that doesn't currently exist?
I mean I had an idea of this

728
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,639
when I was just like, it
kind of differ into somehos, but but

729
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:27,079
I would do like a dedicated kind
of like naughties metal core that I that

730
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:35,800
I love festival like so have Bleeding
Through un Misery Signals getestival. Would you

731
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,039
be reviving ghost Fest well, Ghosts
was just kind of empiricon kind of core

732
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,800
like that' sort of thing. It
was. It was like I had bits

733
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,039
hardcore death call that, but I'm
doing like the purely like the Naughties and

734
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,559
maybe even going bitter get Dead Guy
In and get some of the more modern

735
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,880
revivalist stuff Renounced, Dying Wish,
see Space Cowboy, just like metalcore but

736
00:46:54,039 --> 00:47:01,679
not like metal. Yeah, like
you know, no trying to avoid it

737
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,440
going to hardcore and kind of like
where Outbreaking lives because Albert obviously dips its

738
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,039
toe into this sort of stuff.
We're booking Renounced in the past and Poison

739
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:15,199
all this year. But I'm purely
just dedicated all out like metallic hardcore classics,

740
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,159
the modern bands reviving that sound.
I would dedicate this at a day

741
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,960
to that. They feel like when
that stuff gets put to outbreak Away,

742
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:23,880
it feels a bit like Outliers.
You know. It's like you look at

743
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,880
Poison well and the Outbreak when they're
like halfway down, you don't know how

744
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,159
many people are really there. But
that was like, yeah, I would

745
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,800
go to that, you know,
certainly I like those bands. I feel

746
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,599
like most of the niches that I'm
into have already been kind of you said,

747
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
it kind of been covered like grind
fest, death fests, black metal

748
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,639
fests, so on. So I
think I'd go for more of a vibe

749
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,760
that unites the bands, like the
way the kind of way the Outbreak have

750
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,159
gone more hip hop and email,
but it still feels like a hardcore festival.

751
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,760
And I think I'd just start a
festival for stupid bands, Like genre

752
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,119
wouldn't really matter. Anything that's a
bit dumb complete you can call it on

753
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,000
like more on Fest dumb? Are
you talking like party cannon or like what's

754
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:12,800
your deal? Yeah, and could
play like Limp Biscuit, Macarb, Man

755
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:19,760
of War, Last Days of Humanity, ven Insane Clown Posse that's just a

756
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,559
bit and yeah, exactly anything that's
just a bit stupid. I mean it'd

757
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,960
be quite quite difficult to book because
you have to go up to bands and

758
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,840
you want to play more on fest, like want six pounds to play more

759
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,760
on Fest in like woking go to
Yari from Winter Sun and say, oh,

760
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,159
We've got the festival for stupid bands. And I mean you can just

761
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:45,480
brand the whole thing around it,
like you could only drink dr pepper the

762
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,760
only food would be like chili dogs, cheese peaks would be the vegan option.

763
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,599
The whole thing would just be a
bitch for everyone exactly, and just

764
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:59,280
every year everyone goes and acts like
a slightly dumb person for three days.

765
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,639
Yeah. Well, I had two
ideas and they were based on, again

766
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:06,800
the kind of what bands do I
want to see that I am not seeing

767
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760
booked enough in the UK, and
two sort of vibes distinctly jumped out to

768
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,800
me. The first one, it
would basically be trad metal, because I

769
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,320
regularly lament the fact that we do
not have a dedicated, full on trad

770
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,920
metal festival in the UK. Because
I see them happen in other rows.

771
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,239
You'd be calling up Saxon. Yeah, well I'd be getting smaller than that

772
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,239
actually, But like you know,
you look at like Europe has a bunch

773
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,280
of them, you know Germany.
Do you see them pop up in the

774
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,480
US as well? Again, not
entirely specifically this, but there's a event

775
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,719
that just happened called Hell's Heroes that
all the fucking you know, patch jacket

776
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,639
people go out to and it's like, man, I wish I wasn't sucking

777
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,199
there watching Solitude of Turnus. You
know, and stuff like that, and

778
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,039
like a mate of mine a few
weeks ago he flew out to Athens to

779
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,599
one of these type festivals, and
I was watching videos on Instagram of Visigoth

780
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:58,639
playing a like, you know,
not too small room, you know,

781
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:05,000
reasonably sized room in Greece, covering
like Manila Road songs, and the crowd

782
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:09,280
were singing so fucking loud, like
you're watching ado song of Bloodstock, and

783
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,960
I go, I wish I could
see that happen in the UK. You

784
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,039
know, we there's obviously there's a
thing with trad metal and stuff like that

785
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,719
in the UK that doesn't have the
following, which is part of the problem.

786
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,400
But like we had like Dominion Fest
start up, but they went like

787
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,719
way too big, way too early. You'd have to start it smaller than

788
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,440
that, and your headliners would be
like old new wave of British heavy metal

789
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,199
bands that again smaller than Saxon.
You know, you'd be looking like Angel

790
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Witch and Satan and stuff like that, and you could go get in bads

791
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,400
like Kirathung Goal while they're still around
and excited and stuff like that and those

792
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,719
but your headliners, and then you'd
fill it where again the bands I want

793
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,559
to see booked are bands like summer
Lands and Eternal Champion and Smolder, right,

794
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,719
like, give them a festival they
can come and play, and you

795
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,039
know Night Demon and those type bands, and you throw in some like hell

796
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,480
Ripper, Toxic Holocaust type bands.
You can throw in some kind of high

797
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,280
command via thrash bands that kind of
thing. But you know, just a

798
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:12,039
really proper like dedicated eighties but you
know new bands like trad Metal Festival that

799
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,880
again other places in the world have
that we don't have. And the other

800
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,440
one, again, the one that
I really want, is it's weird it

801
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,880
again. I went to Celestial,
a Dantner festival a few months a few

802
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,480
weeks ago, and it basically be
that but better. Where like that festival.

803
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Again, I had a great time
when I was there, but I'm

804
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,800
pretty sure it would have lost money
in terms of the you know, attendance

805
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,280
and everything. So I'd be surprised
if they were coming that for another year.

806
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,360
So again I'd be trying to slip
into that thing. And basically what

807
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,440
that was it was like, okay, so we got those black metal festivals

808
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,039
like Fortress and Cosmic Void and stuff. It's like, what if we did

809
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:51,440
that but kind of slightly goth.
You're an artsier, but I'd really hone

810
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,199
in on, like i'd get you
know, I'd have less of like the

811
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,119
folky black metal stuff, and i'd
really hone in on basically like extreme goth

812
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,039
as kind of like the vibe of
the festival, like those places where you

813
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:06,880
know, because you have those like
goth festivals where you know up in you

814
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,599
know, Whitby or whatever, and
they'll have like, you know, just

815
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:13,960
like old eighties bands playing, but
I'm talking more like the points where that

816
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,119
bleeds into like us, you know, and like heavy music and things,

817
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,480
and the bands like you know,
I want to see booked in the UK

818
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,440
who have not really got like a
dedicated home for it, bands like Maggot

819
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,679
Heart and you know, bands like
rope Sect and Dual are playing Damnation,

820
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,119
but they'd fit and that kind of
thing, and the bread and butter would

821
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:37,639
be those places where you know,
goth folds into like heavy extreme genres,

822
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,840
so it'd be like, you know, you'd have your stuff that I saw

823
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,519
at celest Your Darkness Festival, like
Tribulations and Chapel Disease and that kind of

824
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,079
stuff you throw in like you know, devil Master, you know, like

825
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,800
Sonia a band I really want someone
in the UK to book that kind of

826
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,760
stuff that isn't coming over. You
can have bits of black metal with your

827
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,480
Lamp of Murmur and negative playing Ruins
of Beaver and stuff like that, and

828
00:52:55,519 --> 00:53:00,480
the headline of Pool. Again,
this would probably like you know it small

829
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,440
thing, so it probably end up
being like a you know, seven hundred

830
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,760
capacity you know, festival or something, and get your Grave Pleasures and unto

831
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:13,000
others and stuff to headline it or
aim a bit bigger, and then your

832
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
headline of Pool is like trip to
Coon can do it, and like you

833
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,360
get Olva doing you know, their
kind of recent synthpop stuff doing it,

834
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,719
or you know, Chelsea Wolf someone
like that could kind of you know a

835
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,000
top again some of those mixtures of
like post punk and black metal bands and

836
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:29,800
stuff like that. Throw in some
like electronic y stuff, you know,

837
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,760
your Perturbators, dram Magesty whatever,
like heavy folk country stuff like Woven Hand

838
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,079
or whatever, kind of like occult
psych rock like you know, just in

839
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,920
the Ancients ones, uncoll acid type
stuff. Basically that sort of cross section

840
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,800
of like me saying that is perinfest, isn't it but it's just like a

841
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,800
lot of those bands are in a
weird sort of cross section where they don't

842
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,639
have the most natural homes where it's
like they're not really bloodstock bands. Occasionally

843
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:59,199
they're Damnation bands, but not dedicated
And yeah, we need places to book

844
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:00,840
some those bands because they're ones along
with the traad metal bands like you know,

845
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,519
Smolders and everyone where I'm looking at
them announcing shows all over and being

846
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,679
like, ah, I wish we
just had somewhere that kind of had a

847
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,119
home for the stuff like that in
the UK. So thank you very much

848
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:19,199
for your questions. That is that
for Patreon supporters. This past week we

849
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,519
had our album club Pack, you
know, for the very last week of

850
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,960
March, where we spoke about some
corkers of albums. It was actually it

851
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,760
was a very very good edition of
the album club Pack. I thought we

852
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,000
had a couple of people saying,
you know, favorite one in a while

853
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:35,000
when I thought the last one,
you know, when we had blackoutgating.

854
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,519
All that stuff was a good time. But in terms of like some some

855
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:43,159
Magnitude albums where I was like a
little bit almost daunted going in in terms

856
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,360
of how the conversation was going to
go like, how do you try and

857
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:52,320
talk about like a ninety nine songs
in twenty minutes grindcore record in a intellectually

858
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,719
stimulating capacity, right, not just
going ah, this is so fast.

859
00:54:55,079 --> 00:55:00,599
We ended up talking about you know, that album was kind of some range,

860
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,840
like you know, conceptual art piece
and stuff like that, while also

861
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,400
talking about fucking thunder and Lightning by
Thin Lizzie and what a ripper of a

862
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,400
record that is, you know,
showing some love to an underrated palm read

863
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,880
the record, you know, an
underrated band already, but even a record

864
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,440
that a lot of parmary the fans
don't quite seem to have given the praise

865
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:22,000
that deserves. Very good addition of
album club at this time. I mean,

866
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,440
I just haven't stopped thinking about Sons
of Winter and Stars in like the

867
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:29,039
entire week. It's it's it's that
and you know, stuff on god Zilyrics

868
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,320
cong now just been the two things
of battling around in my Tokyo subway gassing,

869
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,599
you know what I mean, Yeah, as I'm saying, but yeah,

870
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,840
it was like there's a mental album
club pack in a lot of way.

871
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,880
It's just in terms of like two
of the out like I say,

872
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:49,079
the Winter Sun and Agro, those
lead albums are just so they are such

873
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:53,400
extreme albums in kind of like what
they represent, fascinating to talk about.

874
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,440
And yeah, I'm glad that we
were all kind of all in on that

875
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,400
Parmory record because that's what I feel
is properly overlooked. And I realized that

876
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,679
Fin Lizzie, there's Philzy and I'd
never listened to that fucking rips. I'm

877
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:12,159
talking about extremes. Thunder and Lightning
is just like extremely cool. Yeah,

878
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,920
yeah, I mean, like last
month we did maybe my favorite band and

879
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,440
one of my favorite metal records.
Yes, but just by virtue of doing

880
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:22,960
the Blackout, it was quite a
tough preparation that, whereas this time,

881
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,360
pretty much every single all four of
the records were just an absolute joy to

882
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:34,920
revisit and in some cases a bit
tough to kind of get my head around

883
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,639
and think what I was gonna say. But just like, I basically haven't

884
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,480
even moved on from those four records
since doing I've just been listening to the

885
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,920
same four albums over and over again. How many times you listen to Altos

886
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,119
Takes America in the last week,
Well, let's sw that one sometimes do

887
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,360
that piece. It would just just
have the Tokyo Subway gassing suite or something

888
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,639
if you have a spare seventy seconds. Yeah, so that was a doozy

889
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,199
to do. And that again over
at the Patreon petrol Comm Slash That's not

890
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,920
metal. That was all there.
So thank you very much for sporting and

891
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,159
checking out if you have done so. Before we move on to this extra

892
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:15,519
little dose of reviews, we've got
releases for this first week of April,

893
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,840
and we have kicking us off,
we've got Bob Villain Humble as the sign.

894
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,440
I know Bob Villain is playing pretty
high up on two thousand trees this

895
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:27,199
year stream of seemingly you know,
well liked records from him. So the

896
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:31,039
newest on that particular pile we have
Feeder, you know, brit rock staple,

897
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:36,719
former Download Headliners, always a wonderful
fact. Their record Black Slash Red

898
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,440
is out a couple of the kind
of modern trendy metalcore school. We've got

899
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,719
Alpha Wolf with half Living Things.
I was listening to a single from that

900
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,920
earlier that has iced tea on it, and that automatically makes anything you know

901
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,559
better and more fun. So at
the very least you can check that one

902
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:55,360
out an error with Cure. We
have Filth Southern Hostility, which is a

903
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,559
kind of Southern hip hop placed death
core band literally just called Filth, so

904
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,440
you know exactly what the vibe is. They're punk bands. We have a

905
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,519
band we spoke about not too long
ago, actually on an album, Roulette,

906
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,519
but strung Out, have a new
album today called Dead Rebellion. We've

907
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,519
also got Bayside. I've got an
album called there Are Worse Things Than Being

908
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:21,519
Alive and going way back to more
kind of like uk Oi punk. Cockspara

909
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:25,360
wonderful band name, are releasing their
record hand on Heart, moving as far

910
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,440
away from coxspar As you could PHAs
feasibly do. Corpa Klani folk metal.

911
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:36,239
You know, Icons have their new
record Ranka Rumpu in death metal. We've

912
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,800
got Ingested with their new record The
Tide of Death and Fractured Dreams again similar

913
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,199
sort of techy, clean death metal. We've got our Repenance with Devotion with

914
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,280
its awful AI cover art. Moving
into dingier territory. This is I guess

915
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,239
one. I'm be interested to check
out Iron Monkey. I've got a new

916
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:57,239
record out today called Spleen and Gold
and this is the second album of the

917
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,800
Iron Monkey like comeback reunion, which
is if you're not like super in on

918
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,320
your you know, underground slidge metal. It's one of those comeback reunions that

919
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,960
people never really saw happening, and
when it did, because you know,

920
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,920
there are former members who are very
key who are you know, no longer

921
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,039
with us, people were like,
I don't know if this really is Iron

922
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:15,920
Monkey, and it was sort of
slightly controversial in that regard. But they've

923
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,320
come up with another record. It's
been a fair few years now. It's

924
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,800
the first one and uh, yeah, Elliot, I'm curious, we probably

925
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,039
work with you this because it's a
busy month, but like, how how

926
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,760
do you feel about the the you
know, the Iron Monkey come back.

927
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:30,960
Well, it was one of those
where certainly at the time I thought this

928
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,480
is just embarrassing because it was it
was like the bass players now the guitar

929
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,679
player. The guitar player was now
singing, and they got a new drum.

930
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,840
I don't know if that's the exact
formation, but it was something like

931
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,599
that. I think there were were
there six piece in the nineties and now

932
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,320
there was just three of them.
So it just felt like a bit of

933
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,800
a bit of a wash. But
I was expecting a second reunion album,

934
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,280
and then I checked out the single
leading into this one and it's really fucking

935
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,000
good. Well, I went in
with almost no expectations, but it's from

936
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,000
what I've heard of this new record, it sounds great. So I'm definitely

937
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:06,800
gonna be getting getting stuck into this
one and with more hope than I ever

938
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,360
thought i'd have for an Iron Monkey
record. Well, there you go.

939
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,599
Continuing in the you know, doomy
stonery type route, We've got Friends of

940
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:16,079
Hell with God Damned You to Hell, which is just pure like Rise Above

941
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:21,280
record style, you know, retro
doom, and we have Destroyer of Light

942
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,000
with Degradation Years in that sort of
you know metal punk crossover zone. I

943
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,840
think this is as a band called
Horned Owl with head Hammerman, which is

944
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,920
conjures up an incredible image of who
this who this man may be. And

945
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,079
then in kind of you know,
like more sort of like underground heavy metal,

946
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,039
is a band called Attic with a
record called Return of the Witchfinder.

947
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:43,679
That is that band are like pure
like King Diamond worship. So if you

948
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:45,400
want a bit of that, then
you can go and find that and in

949
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:49,239
you know, dingier, nastier death
metal than what we're talking about. Earlier

950
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,559
as a band called witch Vomit.
Great name, good band as well.

951
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:57,760
Then you record Funeral Sanctum is out
slightly you know, more more Doomia version

952
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,840
still funerals, Funeral Leech have got
the illusion of time really violent, you

953
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:07,880
know, borderline war metal type stuff, Diabolic Oath with oracular hexations, and

954
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,119
then getting into some more kind of
experimental underground type stuff. There's Locrian with

955
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,719
end Terrain, There's Austerea with Beneath
the Threshold. We also have a I

956
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,960
believe a B sides album from you
know, scandy punk favorites the good,

957
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,519
the bad, and the ugly with
decade of regression. And there is of

958
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,920
course that dream Car EP dream Out
as well, which I will be checking

959
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,239
out tomorrow as as you were listening
to this. So that is normal Hyperblast

960
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,639
business, done and dusted. We
have two album reviews to tag on to

961
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,159
the end of this whole thing,
and we are going to start with While

962
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,239
She Sleeps and their album Self Hell, which is a weird one to do

963
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,920
in terms of judging the mood around
it, I guess because While She Sleeps

964
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,519
Bless Him have become one of those
bands with a slightly tumultuous place in terms

965
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:58,800
of like if you are to try
and judge an overall trajectory of like are

966
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,400
they on the up or are they
on the down? And I mean,

967
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,519
you know, in sort of commotion, commercial standing in general momentum rather than

968
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,760
just creatively as well, because the
last time we spoke about an album with

969
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,400
theirs was Sleep Society in twenty twenty
one, and that album, by all

970
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,599
metrics of how it landed, I
think you would have to judge's success because

971
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,079
they had like a bit of a
blip and reception with SO What for the

972
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,440
first time in their career. But
then Sleep Society came along and were seen

973
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,159
to have basically pulled off all of
the things that SO What had attempted,

974
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,719
even if the band was like very
clearly different to what they've started off as.

975
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:35,000
Like again, I have to say, you know, and this does

976
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,960
not affect my reviewing, you know, capabilities, because I can very clearly

977
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:40,760
judge what I think works and what
doesn't. But the last time I I

978
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,719
felt a kind of sense of real
ownership over While She Sleeps and that they

979
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:46,880
were you know, for want of
a better term, one of my bands

980
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,039
was around you are we. The
kind of the way their sound has gone,

981
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:53,800
I wouldn't say has alienated me,
but it stopped being the thing that

982
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,760
I you know, prioritize in my
listening and I spend a lot of time

983
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,440
going back to. But so there
was a clear chain identity between you know,

984
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,360
that sort of phase one and again
sort of phase two While She Sleeps.

985
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:08,159
But of that second part, Sleep
Society clearly was the most fully formed,

986
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:10,559
well adjusted example of it where you
go, oh, yeah, you

987
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,880
can make a good go at this. And at that point, you know,

988
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,519
coming out of COVID that first festival
season back everything, While She Sleeps

989
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:21,800
were being like touted everywhere as one
of the bands who were like really tearing

990
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,039
it up along that album cycle,
like you know, almost being described as

991
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:28,599
like a bit of a second breakthrough
moment for them. The way they would

992
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,440
describe, you know, being described
and the kind of mood was with them

993
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,639
on Sleep Society you would expect there
as I guess after that little blit was

994
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,239
so what to be a trajectory that
kept going up from there. Yeah,

995
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,840
I think Sleep Society was. There
was a definite kind of writing of the

996
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,440
kind of shit when so what was
seen as a bit of a wobble.

997
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,239
I mean I wouldn't consider weirdly so
what isn't even their first wobble in some

998
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,480
regards, because like at this point
Brainwashed was considered like look back on it's

999
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,480
kind of like, oh, they
went a bit wrong there and then they

1000
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,159
got right on you our we so
instill popular opinion that they kind of have

1001
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,679
an on off thing, even though
everyone who says Brainwashed is not on their

1002
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:08,559
great albums is completely wrong. It's
their best album. But yeah, society,

1003
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:10,760
you know, it landed. It
landed well. We got them though

1004
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,440
festivals or they were going down really
well, we got them up to headlining

1005
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,760
Ali Pally, Like it was the
thing that really kind of it's kind of

1006
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,719
unite the people who were into the
kind of more electronic kind of very down

1007
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,559
with the kids, like knew a
sound of so what but with that melodic

1008
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:32,480
metalcore that I loved on the earlier
record, So it kind of was a

1009
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,239
bit of a sweet spot of like
I don't like it as much the first

1010
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:38,719
three records, but it was like, if Sleeves are going to continue doing

1011
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:42,199
the thing, they're going to do
doing it. They won't Sleep Society.

1012
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,079
That was I was fine with that. Yeah, I felt like that record

1013
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,320
kind of remedied some of the problems
there with their reputation from So What,

1014
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:54,880
which I think before that they were, you know, fair enough seene as

1015
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:58,960
the most exciting young British metal band, and then on that record they had

1016
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,760
I think maybe slightly more than a
wobble, but generally okay. But then

1017
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,039
on Sleep Society it really seemed like
they, like you say, turned around

1018
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,760
public opinion and live shows went now
really well. Let you say something el

1019
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,480
to Ali Palley on that record,
and for me, I was just looking

1020
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,519
at that going what's the next move
for while she sleeps? At that point

1021
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:24,639
do they really aim big or do
they just kind of consolidate that thing,

1022
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:29,440
because they really could have gone either
way. Yeah, it was so before

1023
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,960
we've even reviewed this, even though
they're coming off of a record that was

1024
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:39,760
well reviewed and well liked, Even
before I'd heard this album, there was

1025
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,960
just this air of sort of resigned
dread that was in the air about talking

1026
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,679
about it for some reason, Like
you know, I was having a conversation

1027
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:47,519
with someone the other day about the
singles that had led into this and they

1028
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,280
hadn't heard them, and they were
a bit taken aback when they were like,

1029
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,880
Oh, people not liked the While
She sleep singles? You like you

1030
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,719
know that that's a weird concept.
What has happened to While She Sleeps?

1031
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,639
Like, not just musically, which
we will obviously talk about on this album,

1032
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,719
but the tone of voice which we
use when we talk about While She

1033
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:14,880
Sleeps seems to have changed. They
operate as their own entity, which I

1034
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,840
think it can be a really freeing, fulfilling things for a band to do,

1035
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:24,679
but for Sleeps when they are like
it feels like there's no one saying

1036
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:29,880
no to them at this point,
and that to me is starting to show

1037
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,159
its problems where they're not they're whatever
they feel like doing, they're going to

1038
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:42,119
do and on the evidence of self
hell, they should probably have someone kind

1039
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,840
of like stepping in and sort of
telling them, guys, don't wrap like

1040
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,119
you're not good. It like just
there's one example, but it just it

1041
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:54,400
feels like, you know, they
are not They're not trying to like they

1042
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,320
just they're operating like a system where
they're having to sort of like concern themselves

1043
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,679
to which again can be great and
like, you know, they aren't into

1044
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,360
their fans. The Sleep Society on
the page and and all that, and

1045
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:08,199
like that I'm sure for them is
a really unique way to operate, but

1046
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,360
the end results are just starting to
kind of get a bit alarming. I

1047
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,800
think there's some extracurricular stuff about While
She Sleeps that, like in the past,

1048
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,000
was a bit cringy, but if
people liked the records, you could

1049
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,519
overlook it, Like that Sleep Society
record, which you know, World Agreeing

1050
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:26,320
was something of a comeback. That
was a company with that really quite embarrassing

1051
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,280
promo video with the fake press conference
changing the music industry and stuff, and

1052
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,199
it's like, I don't like so
there there were some aspects to them.

1053
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:40,880
That opening song is Enlightenment question mark, Yeah, but really other than the

1054
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,800
postcode song at the end, hadn't
really bled into the music all that much.

1055
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:50,519
Whereas I certainly felt it from the
first single. It felt like those

1056
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:55,639
slightly cringey, ill judged aspects of
While She Sleeps that were normally outside of

1057
01:07:55,639 --> 01:08:03,519
the music and almost infected the art
now and that was alarming. Yeah,

1058
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,760
And like I got, you know, through secondhand worth of word of mouth.

1059
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:11,800
Some of the other action reactions to
this before I'd even put it on

1060
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,880
myself, and for whatever reason,
I just I wasn't surprised to hear people

1061
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:15,840
describing it as a bit of a
mess, you know, even though their

1062
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,920
last album had mostly been very strong, and somehow While She Sleeps have just

1063
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:25,199
turned into a weezer where like you
can't trust that the ship will stay up

1064
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,000
right through any sustained period, you
know, and that's so weird for a

1065
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:30,800
band who not all that long ago. You know, throughout most of the

1066
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,000
twenty tens, there was never any
point where you'd question whether they were good

1067
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,000
or not. You know, it
was just taken as truth that While She

1068
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:40,840
Sleeps were one of our consistent greats. And I guess their place is a

1069
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,840
very strange one in terms of like
the broader ecosystem right now because of their

1070
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,239
generation of metalcore bands that broke through
in the early twenty tens in the UK.

1071
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:54,199
They're a successful one and they have
endured and you know, you arguably

1072
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,760
you know, bigger now obviously headlining
biger ENnies and stuff than they were back

1073
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,000
then. You can't say that for
all of those bands who broke through it

1074
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,000
that time. But they've not been
able to step into kind of the real

1075
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:10,199
you know, festival headlinings or of
stardom the way others have. And now

1076
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:14,800
they are in this era of kind
of operating really on their own and independently.

1077
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,399
You know, if you look at
the way they distribute their albums and

1078
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,000
everything, they operate a lot outside
of a lot of traditional music industry channels,

1079
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,520
which is, you know, really
admirable and really cool. Their heart

1080
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,359
is totally in the right place when
it comes to you know, how they've

1081
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,600
chosen to employ their crew and things
like that. But I think it has

1082
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:34,039
made them a bit of an island. And particularly in twenty twenty four compared

1083
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:38,119
to when you know, so What
and sleep Society were coming out, the

1084
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:44,239
face of metalcore has changed. And
it's not just that twenty ten school of

1085
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,840
bands turning poppier and more arena ready, as they have done, but it's

1086
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,920
a new breed of bands who have
totally altered the identity of what is kind

1087
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:57,039
of perceived as cool and of the
moment in that kind of heavy music.

1088
01:09:57,079 --> 01:09:59,479
And how do Whilst You Sleep to
contend with that? You know, And

1089
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,359
like, I don't think you would
say that this is while she sleeps attempting

1090
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,960
to ride the bad Omen's train or
something like that. But after Sleep Society,

1091
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,279
I end out the kinks of experimentation
that we're in. So what this

1092
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:16,720
has thrown a whole bunch of other
things at the wall, And I don't

1093
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,680
know if these are ones that will
be so efficiently ironed out the next record

1094
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:28,000
around, because some ideas are just
bad ideas. This to me feels a

1095
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:32,239
bit like they're AMMO in that it's
got that approach of throw everything into it,

1096
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,319
throw all the shit at the wall, and just even if it sticks

1097
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:38,720
or not, it's going on on
the record. And that was my problem

1098
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,880
of AMMO. That album is a
complete mess of ideas. There are specific

1099
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,600
points an album where I thought it
really wants to be AMMO. That's me,

1100
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,960
I like think. I think they
have taken the same approach of just

1101
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,640
trying to cramp every single idea they've
had into this album, be it good

1102
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,079
or bad. And that was my
problem of AMMO. I think there are

1103
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:01,600
some very good ideas now I think
there are woeful ones that completely devour the

1104
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,039
album experience for me. And I
think the same thing applies to self Help,

1105
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:11,880
I think, and maybe we're jumping
a bit far ahead here. But

1106
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:15,520
one of the prevailing things I thought
of while listening to this record is I

1107
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,199
don't know what the next step from
this even could be, because so what,

1108
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,760
even though there were some problems with
that record, I felt like a

1109
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,439
lot of the conversation was, well, you know, next time you say

1110
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,199
they'll lieing these things out, they'll
they'll shed some of the bad ideas and

1111
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,479
focus on the good stuff. And
that's basically what they did. Listening to

1112
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,399
this, it's like, what do
you do you retreat from this? Can

1113
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,920
you mind this sound further? I
don't know, because I don't even know.

1114
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,119
I can't even really explain what the
sound of this record is. The

1115
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,680
only thing that and you've already both
touched upon it I can think as a

1116
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,760
good comparison is to bring me the
Horizon. We don't have a genre thing,

1117
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,279
And you know, part of me
understands why they would do that,

1118
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:58,079
because bring me the Horizon in some
way a peer of theirs. And if

1119
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,760
while she sleeps feel like they're at
that crossroad where either they plateau, go

1120
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,359
down, or you know, make
the big shot to the big time,

1121
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:10,680
and the path has been drawn by
bringing the Horizon and it is going mental.

1122
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,520
I could see why you try that, But listening to this, I

1123
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,239
just think, what's the what's what's
the arc you have in mind? Here?

1124
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Is there one? Yeah? And
I think it's that sort of you

1125
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,680
know, wanting to expand the ideas
of the music. I think is very

1126
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,800
authentic from them. But again I
would throw it back to what Sam was

1127
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:36,159
saying in terms of like the way
they have kind of the the way they've

1128
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:40,960
boxed themselves into a certain corner in
terms of like their audience and kind of

1129
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,880
who they are answering to. I
guess does seem to have allowed some you

1130
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,279
know, very poor characteristics to kind
of go, you know, run unchecked.

1131
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:55,359
And you know that in one part
there is in general, there's a

1132
01:12:55,399 --> 01:13:00,159
trend of kind of you know,
previously more intense and ready kind of metal

1133
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:04,000
bands who are trying to recall the
like catchy, you know, dance floor

1134
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,920
ready music that got them into metal
and going okay, let's translate that for

1135
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,640
a new generation. And you know
you've seen it. For example, when

1136
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,399
when Silosis turned in a more kind
of Panterra direction on their last record for

1137
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,319
a transition that worked a lot more
kind of naturally and seamlessly, but it

1138
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:23,000
feels like there's almost as a generation
that's been cursed by growing up with Corn

1139
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,880
and Limp Biscuit trying to emulate that, because it's a miracle that Corner and

1140
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,760
Limp Biscuit worked in the first place, Like that dude in the red cap

1141
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,039
wrapping and that dude in the Adidas
tracksuit making scat noises going down as well

1142
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:40,560
as they did is an anomaly.
Trying to you know, recapture some of

1143
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,640
that thirty years later is a strange
move. And this album is so jarring

1144
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:53,399
because the intro is this like this
inspirational chant on a kind of like black

1145
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:59,000
Skinhead type, you know, sort
of tempo into leave Me Alone, the

1146
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,560
first chunk of which I was actually
taken aback by the promise, which I

1147
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:10,800
didn't expect because it's got a solid
rift that starts heavier than usual for while

1148
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,159
she sleeps in you know the twenties, right, like even Losses scream in

1149
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,560
the first part of that song is
much more like ravenous than it's been in

1150
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,239
ages, you know, arguably since
his surgery. And then the spoken rap

1151
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:25,039
bit starts in like it's in the
Yorkshire accent, you know, and it

1152
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:30,920
just it just caves out beneath it. It's Dear Diary, Dear Diary all

1153
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,680
over again, like and I don't
want to keep making them ringalizing comparisons,

1154
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,199
but leave Me Alone. I was
just I was like, no, this

1155
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:40,159
is exactly liked because that, you
know, how that song begins with Ollie

1156
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:43,600
going at it like he hadn't done
for a good while. And as you

1157
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,800
said, Los that opening, but
blast on, leave Me Alone is really

1158
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:54,039
ferocious, like real screeching. But
then it goes into the rapping, and

1159
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:58,720
I was kind of just like I
felt the ground just pull out from underneath

1160
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,000
me, and I was just like, oh no, the rapping was bad

1161
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,720
enough and I could have taken that
if then the chorus or something. It's

1162
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:10,000
one of the worst choruses I've heard
this year, just the most downers Leave

1163
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:15,560
Me the heavily processed like non chorus, you know that like both bringing their

1164
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,319
eyes and and bullet for my Valentine
would have the pists ripped into them for

1165
01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:20,600
if they had, they had done
it, you know, And again you've

1166
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,239
got like, you know, decent
sort of lamb of God by way of

1167
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,399
while she sleeps tight riff in there
that's providing a route for ideas that just

1168
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,720
make you want to shrink down into
your clothing a bit. The way the

1169
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,279
soum opens just feels insane to me, because Peace of Mind we've sort of

1170
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:40,920
brushed over it. But that is
for a band an album that is already

1171
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,159
starting off on the back foot.
It's already got a handicapped from the lead

1172
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:48,920
up to it, and opening with
that rap and then building building building that

1173
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:53,560
that kind of vocal to live on
the wrapping, I hate it. Oh,

1174
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,840
I don't know is there a word
for that kind of wrapping, like

1175
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,720
that sort of late era eminem thing. It's just it's one of the worst

1176
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,680
sound and then that builds and builds
and builds stop one of the first bits

1177
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,920
of weird sequencing on this record stops
dead and then builds up again into this

1178
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,680
I thought the exact same thing.
I don't want to keep harping on the

1179
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:15,600
Bring Me the Horizon comparison, but
it's really unignorable here, Like it isn't

1180
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,880
even mimicking classic bring Me, it's
mimicking the last thing that band of them

1181
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,439
that was such a success and have
since moved on from. And you know,

1182
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,279
rather than having lyrics about you know, easy, your dog's face or

1183
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:29,880
whatever it was you have, Like
we fake what we we fake when we

1184
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,159
can't confine to alleviate the feelings that
we can't define. I don't know like

1185
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:38,560
it, Like it just makes me
cringe, like and bring me the horizon.

1186
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,159
Aren't strangers to cringe the lyrics,
But I don't know, Olie somehow

1187
01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:45,960
gets away with it. More on
listening to this, it just if it

1188
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:49,439
was sort of overly verbose and shallow
and just doesn't work. And that chorus,

1189
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,760
I really I kind of couldn't believe
my ears. I it seems like

1190
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:00,359
it's such an obviously bad idea for
this song to go into the most phoned

1191
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:04,640
in sounding clean vocal you can imagine. Yeah, And again I didn't draw

1192
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:10,960
like the Dear Diary comparison, but
the breakdown riff at the very end is

1193
01:17:11,239 --> 01:17:15,439
so derived The same thing, isn't
It's the same exactly what I was complaining

1194
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:16,279
about when we did the post human
talk, And I was like, it's

1195
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:19,399
the same fucking breakdown, just drag
and drop, right, the same thing

1196
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:24,880
happened, except now it's alien noises
on it self. Hell, the the

1197
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,319
exact same thing. Yeah, the
single when we're going back to sort of

1198
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:31,640
the the mood that was cast over
this album in coming when that dropped a

1199
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:36,039
single, trying to assess the kind
of like, oh god, what now

1200
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:40,720
that's going on? Well, I
just think it's really bizarre because and it

1201
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,239
comes in on the album and that
like, let's praise the love inside of

1202
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,199
isolated vocal part at the start My
Balls Retreat, you know, it's like

1203
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,640
I need to get out of here. And like when that came out as

1204
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,920
a single, of the three of
us who are on that show talking about

1205
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,880
that, I was the least,
like wholly negative about it. And it

1206
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:02,800
just because like I could hear bits
of While She Sleeps in it that I

1207
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,760
liked, and I didn't have the
whole context of what the album was going

1208
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,000
to be, you know, so
I was like, yeah, this is

1209
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,800
weird, but like there's little you
know, snapping percussion and bursts of energy

1210
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,399
and stuff in it. Hearing it
here, it's like it's now representative of

1211
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:20,520
kind of the willy nilly awful hodgepodge
that is this album, and it sounds

1212
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:25,039
worse to me in the context of
the album than even did on its own,

1213
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:28,359
you know. And like that again, there are more competent elements in

1214
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,119
there, but the chorus is abysmal, like how are they trying to do

1215
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:39,920
this? Like mission impossible theme Biscuits
song for what what they do and the

1216
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:45,239
rap bridge is god smacking. The
Now I wish I could say things differently

1217
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:47,479
to set me apart from other lyricists. Now, this is a story all

1218
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,600
about how my life got. You
don't know my secrets because I'm not a

1219
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,439
Gemini. It's literally every time that
comes in, I like, I just

1220
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,520
shruggled, like because I was like
when Self Help came in on the arm,

1221
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:01,319
I was like, oh, actually, you know what that first riff

1222
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,399
that that plays up with a rubbish
but that first one that was like,

1223
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,560
it's a decent, actual new metal
work. I was like, maybe I

1224
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,840
have a bit harsh in this song. And then the song actually happens and

1225
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,560
I was like no, no,
no, no, this is this is

1226
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,520
this is dreadful. And then it
was that because I'm not a Gemini lyric

1227
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,640
and I was like, lords,
the fuck are you even saying like that?

1228
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,439
Is one? Like I ripped into
Oli Sykes are bad lyrics. You

1229
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,319
know Oli Sykes will hear that looking
kind of be like, now, well

1230
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,399
we'll put that one to the side. That isolated vocal at the beginning.

1231
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,199
It's proper like I see Vietnam,
I see the choppers, I see the

1232
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:34,399
napalm. It's just like it all
comes flooding back. And I think,

1233
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:38,159
I said, because this is my
least favorite song of last year, and

1234
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:42,239
I said something like it sounds like
a band sort of crashing their career in

1235
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:45,319
real time. And what baffles me
about this song is I've heard it plenty

1236
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:48,960
of times now, I've gotten used
to it in a sense, but I

1237
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,319
listened to it and I still I
don't understand how bad it is. Like

1238
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:57,399
I'm not trying to jump on it
just to give it a kicking. It's

1239
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,640
they're a band that I've put out
excellent music, and I mean just to

1240
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,199
echo you guys points, but like
you don't know my secrets because I'm not

1241
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:10,000
a Gemini. It's I don't know
how that makes onto an album. I

1242
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:13,520
don't understand how that makes it through
a redraft of lyrics. And they've never

1243
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:15,359
you know, they've had some naph
lyrics in the past. There was that

1244
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:18,119
one on You Are We where it
was that you want your Countless Wars.

1245
01:20:18,119 --> 01:20:23,800
We want to countless Wars. I
mean the albums called you are We right,

1246
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:29,640
Like I tell you that that's never
been necessarily there strike, But Sam,

1247
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,720
what you were saying about the riff
in that, which again I can

1248
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,560
only refer back to my past self
here and that'd be like, oh yeah,

1249
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,279
okay, that part's all right.
Like the guitars are always while she

1250
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:43,239
sleeps saving grace like there. This
is my problem with the album, which

1251
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,439
I was kind of not getting into
yet. But I was going to go,

1252
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,039
well, I don't know if you're
even going to say the same problem

1253
01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:49,920
that I have. I don't know, but there are terrible songs on this

1254
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,920
record where Sean like pulls out a
solo that pulls out of it the gloom

1255
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,880
for like a moment, and it's
a it's a really like one man carrying

1256
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,880
the teen performance. What I was
gonna say is when you hear a song

1257
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:10,000
like to the Flowers, right,
it becomes like distracting how regimented and stodgy

1258
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:15,640
they are while he's like on a
comet shredding, going past in out of

1259
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,560
space, and it's like they're in
different bands. And you know that video

1260
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,960
of the children's party drummer and the
doughnut costume. That's the image I kept

1261
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,239
having with Sean on this album,
and it's like he's like, it's actively

1262
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:33,560
distracting. How indifferent lanes they are? So yeah, I mean when did

1263
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,680
Waships become terrified of the riff?
Like is one of my things on this

1264
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:41,600
album, Like because track two Rainbows, which I think is one of the

1265
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,359
better songs on it, and so
it's not bad the breakdown on that which

1266
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:51,840
has a gang vocal moshcol of into
the black Hole, which is identical in

1267
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:58,520
its delivery to the gang vocal moscol
of We're being brainwashed on Rainwashed and on

1268
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,760
that album going into a really stodgy, lifeless breakdown you get on the best

1269
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,880
rifts Wash, it goes to the
best moment of their catalog. Yeah,

1270
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,960
And I was like, and then
when I heard that, and I do

1271
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,880
a double take of being like,
you've not just like dose with that,

1272
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,199
like Sonic goes back and then got
into the most like like the the most

1273
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:19,520
life, and I was like,
where is the energy? And you're right,

1274
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:25,079
Sean when he gets those moments of
those Rose guitar, those League guitar

1275
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:27,720
melodies which have always been some of
my favorite things of While She Sleeps,

1276
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:30,520
and that you can point out to
so many great songs they've done where those

1277
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:35,079
melodies absolutely take off. There are
flashes of that on this album which kind

1278
01:22:35,079 --> 01:22:39,399
of just go like, oh yeah, Like To the Flowers is probably the

1279
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:44,920
best song on the album for having
that element really pushed to the forefront as

1280
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,239
much as it can be, but
it's so it's so fleeting, and even

1281
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:53,479
even again about Sean's melodies, there
was always really good, just hard hitting,

1282
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,199
metallic guitar riffs, and there's none
of that here, and it's so

1283
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:01,479
disheartening to see them just sound say
so regimented and just you know, there's

1284
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,760
no There was like a real raucous
punk energy to stuff like Brainwashed and on

1285
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,279
This is the Sixth there was so
much like live wire like rattling around,

1286
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:16,039
and there's none of that here.
It's so like just four to four regimented,

1287
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,760
stodgy borings a Ga Tartan that doesn't
really cut through anymore, like you

1288
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,479
Yeah, and To the Flowers,
for me, I think that is a

1289
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,119
it's a fairly boring song. That's
the one that demonstrates my point about how

1290
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:35,079
you know, like disconnected how extra
Shan is being compared to how lackluster what

1291
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:41,760
the band generally is doing. Rainbows, I think probably is my pick for

1292
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,560
the best song on the album.
But it and but I completely agree with

1293
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,800
what you're saying about comparing that to
you know, some of where they have

1294
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,960
been, and I guess that sort
of demonstrates, you know, the album

1295
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,159
intertally that I still think that that
is the best song on the album.

1296
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:58,279
And because they do, it's got
that little bit of kind of skate punk

1297
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:01,119
metal core of where they came from. It's god chorus with they kind of

1298
01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:06,000
radio accessibility to it. I like, I like the uh there's the kind

1299
01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:09,159
of distortion on the riff and everything. It's a bit like while she sleeps

1300
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,039
via muse or something, and there's
like a really the solo in that is

1301
01:24:12,079 --> 01:24:15,279
like a crazy like Matt Bellamy type
soul that it's quite exciting. But for

1302
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:18,600
me, it's when it gets like
past the chorus, which again is is

1303
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,520
the best chorus on the album undoubtedly
in my opinion, but the glitched up

1304
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,319
post chorus, you know, Rainbows, it's like you're not Grimes, you

1305
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,960
know, and you've got essentially like
an old style While She Sleeps on that

1306
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:35,560
has just been like tampered with in
a kind of garish way, and that

1307
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:40,640
is the best electronics. The electronics
of this album are terrible. I think

1308
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,520
like they like it's that and the
rapping are the two things that every time

1309
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,560
they come up, I'm like,
you know what they're doing, like the

1310
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:48,680
drum and bass kind of beats and
stuff like that. I think like Wildfire

1311
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,760
has a little bit of that.
I'm like, that's that's that's decent.

1312
01:24:51,159 --> 01:24:55,880
It's not nothing special, but it's
not embarrassing. But there are whether he's

1313
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,039
in the auto tune and the glitch
vocals and all that combined with some the

1314
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:01,279
terrible rapping. Every have those things
come up, I'm just like, I

1315
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,760
just don't like what I'm hearing,
and I hate that this is a band

1316
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:09,920
too, I love so much.
I'm just doing these terrible decisions, completely

1317
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:15,520
derailing decent ideas they're having. I'm
really perplexed by what's happened with the electronics

1318
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,479
and While She Sleeps because when so
what came out, people going, oh,

1319
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,600
you know, it's flawed, but
I can see what they're doing.

1320
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,479
And then a sleep society, it
felt like we all just went okay,

1321
01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:27,960
they've kind of they've realized the potential
of that idea, and then the next

1322
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,159
album it's worse than where they started, and to the point where the songs

1323
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:36,840
which have the least of them are
the best ones, often just by virtue

1324
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,840
of not having all that ugly decoration
on it. Like you mentioned Wildfire,

1325
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,880
which I think is one of the
best. Yeah, I would say that's

1326
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,399
another like passable song. It's kind
of a shame because it's one of the

1327
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,159
less ambitious ones on the record in
terms of experiments with new ideas. It's

1328
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:54,000
basically while she sleeps, While she
sleeps, kind of melodic punks with a

1329
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000
bit of a qui exactly just like
them, kind of doing something they've been

1330
01:25:58,039 --> 01:26:00,640
able to sleep walk one hundred times. What's kid? They ask? Again,

1331
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,720
there are the weird lyrics. If
I ghost, would you still look

1332
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:08,119
through me? Probably? I would
think that was easier in fact, and

1333
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:18,720
you don't understand and one of them
solid ghosts, I'm like slimer, but

1334
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:23,359
you know, like but it kind
of says something that because the tunes all

1335
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,840
right, I can overlook that.
Like when that comes up, I was

1336
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:30,239
going whilsh sleeps, you know,
what you like. But almost the most

1337
01:26:30,319 --> 01:26:33,600
virtues thing about the song is that
it's a nondescript Yeah, I fear that

1338
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,279
again, stuff like that. And
what we're saying about Rainbow is like that

1339
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:42,520
the best stuff is essentially straightforward kind
of whoa radio forder versions of what While

1340
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,760
She Sleeps done in the past.
They've just now got sections in that make

1341
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,319
it really clear that they want to
be the prodigy, you know. And

1342
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:50,520
there are other points where like they
seem intent on writing the most boring songs

1343
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:56,520
like Enemy Mentality that kind of just
overcompensate with like, oh, the drums

1344
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,079
are busy. It doesn't matter that
anything else is particularly interesting, but the

1345
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,880
drums are, you know, doing
And there are so many why I'm i'd

1346
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,239
entertaining about the electronics in this album, and I guess, you know,

1347
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:09,199
this could be guitars as well,
but like, there are so many spaceship

1348
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:13,560
noises on this album over every single
track, right, and like I'm not

1349
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,520
adverse to that in concept, but
the thinking of where they've been placed is

1350
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:23,359
very fascinating to me in terms of
like them just being everywhere thematically appropriate or

1351
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:26,439
not. And it's like while She
Sleeps to you they're writing songs that are

1352
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,199
meant to be you know, relatable, and you know they're about emotions,

1353
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,319
and then randomly you're just you're blasting
off again like to the Flowers just has

1354
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:36,119
chip tune in it, and I'm
like, I don't entirely know why.

1355
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:40,479
It's just very very like aw,
it's all in there at all times.

1356
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:44,119
And going back to what you were
saying, sound about the riffs, I

1357
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:47,960
again, for me, I've the
wildstlyp riffing style changing is part of why

1358
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,239
I'm not so with them in general. It's one of the things where I've

1359
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:58,119
like struggled. Yeah, Yeah,
and down is like the jump up and

1360
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:01,159
Down festival while She Sleeps Rift that
they have recycled a number of times now

1361
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:06,039
over the past couple of albums,
except that version of that has this like

1362
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:14,800
electronic fuckery under that riff, and
it sounds like that song that goes oh

1363
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,239
like that for the Ferris Bueller song. Right, It's like that is playing

1364
01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:21,760
underneath them being like come on everyone, and I don't. It's so distracting.

1365
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,399
I don't know what it's supposed to
have. It's like I'm having a

1366
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:28,319
bounce, but also my tummy is
rumbling Mummy says, I should get off

1367
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:32,159
the bouncy castle, like I don't
know what it's in there, Like Down

1368
01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:34,760
should have been the fucking show piece
on the album if you were telling me

1369
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,039
that while Steps were gonna have addicts
from a lev Rock up for collab,

1370
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:42,840
like, I'd have been so down
for that. And like the riffing,

1371
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:45,920
you know, it's got a bit
of weight to it, but is the

1372
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:49,560
electronics sounds so dazing? Is my
tummy gurgling during that riff? I didn't

1373
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,600
understand. The saving grace on that
track is that it's coming in and sounds

1374
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,439
like a fucking beast, like like
like he he does sound good. But

1375
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,960
it's also it's the way that every
one of these metical bands introduces their features

1376
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,560
now and has done since. What
Silence speaks. It's it's not a particularly

1377
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:11,439
like it's not a special guest spot, but it stands out for him just

1378
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,279
hitting harder than the rest of the
record and like that that that that is

1379
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,760
something I guess I feel it.
When Down was a single, it was

1380
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,880
a bit of an apology for self
hell as the lead single because that got

1381
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:26,520
a mixed put it a mixed response, But the problem is is this is

1382
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,239
while she sleeps doing something that they've
done plenty of times now, but it

1383
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:33,640
just sounds a bit crap here,
Like it's it's heavy and it's loud,

1384
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,520
but it's so flat, like there's
no push or pull or release. The

1385
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:43,800
whole thing feels so static, and
I don't know, something about just shrieking

1386
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,640
you're bringing me down doesn't make me
want to bounce around at a festival.

1387
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:51,000
It's he might as well just be
saying I'm a right rotten mood. It's

1388
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:55,720
kind of baffling to me how something
that seems so simple and so in their

1389
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:00,520
wheelhouse isn't. There are two three
minutes into ludes on it for seeming no

1390
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,840
reason at all why, the first
of which no feeling is final, particularly

1391
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:10,800
is like not at all very sonically
interesting or like at all advanced from what

1392
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,079
anyone else has done. Those were
the bits where I was like, I

1393
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,520
remember, Ammo, I remember when
they actually did that like quite well,

1394
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,840
you know those sort of like and
they were like and they were like a

1395
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,239
minute long in that record. I
was listening to this and I was like,

1396
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:21,960
it reeks of one thing to have
their cake and eat it too.

1397
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,560
In terms of like they want to
write that oh you're bringing me down,

1398
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,439
big bangathon that makes you jump on
your bed like you're a teenager. But

1399
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,239
they also want to make the downward
spiral with like no concern for how one

1400
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:35,079
of those sides affects the other.
It's like they want to be the stupidest

1401
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:41,640
and the cleverest band ever. It
was like that No Feeling is Final into

1402
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,840
Dopesick was the moment where this album
completely just like I was like, okay,

1403
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:48,520
this is this is excuse. That's
another moment of what Elliot was saying

1404
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:54,000
about the sequencing in terms of like
the intro of Dope Sick works in itself

1405
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:58,000
if you go from whatever the previous
like actual song was before it into that

1406
01:30:58,079 --> 01:31:00,479
and you go, okay, we
slowed it down a notch. Doesn't need

1407
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:05,079
three minutes of silence in between any
chance head of maybe savaging something from this

1408
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:09,439
album. No Feeling's Final into Dopsick
was the end. Dope Sick is again

1409
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,760
you're preparing for like a conventional while
she seeks ballad. You know they had

1410
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,159
nervous on the last one. But
what follows is like I'd go as far

1411
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:20,199
as say unlistenable, you know,
like it's so unpleasant on the ear,

1412
01:31:20,279 --> 01:31:25,880
like trying to channel kind of in
the end verses of like Mike Shanola wrapping

1413
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:30,479
on a laid backbeat, except it's
got this like crackerly screaming grating quality that

1414
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:36,399
completely ruins that mood. And again
the clunkiest lyrics you know, Hi Lo,

1415
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:41,199
which you know again. Mark's made
a recurring bit of turning recent while

1416
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:44,640
she sleep lyrics into minions memes that
you see on Facebook and totally works,

1417
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:50,079
but like every element of it sounds
like piss like that when he does I

1418
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:57,039
Woke up Choe's Live, It's like
every little bit just sounds so unpleasant.

1419
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,760
I don't know if we all.
I'm with Sam here that this was the

1420
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,520
moment on the record where I thought, I don't know how you salvage this.

1421
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:08,000
And part of it is that a
terrible sequencing of the transition from no

1422
01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:12,920
feeling is final, which gradually builds
into a metronome thing that's about the same

1423
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:17,319
tempo as down and to the Flowers. So obviously the thing you do there

1424
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,359
is you pick one of those songs
so that it flows nicely. You don't

1425
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:26,439
take your three minutes of empty space
and slam the brakes on that it's going

1426
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,119
to this softly plucked acoustic guitar,
and I mean, this song is basically

1427
01:32:30,119 --> 01:32:33,840
what I feared the album would be, and yet worse than that. The

1428
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:40,720
rapping is hair whiteningly bad. And
you know, I'm not against the idea

1429
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,960
of rapping maybe for while she sleeps, but like, whatever, the opposite

1430
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,960
of flow is, that's what we
have here, Like makes Ben Shapiro sound

1431
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:54,760
like Davvy Diggs. It's frightening,
and the song is like, it's so

1432
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,279
dull, and the lyrics that's what
I've got a fuck of imagination. That's

1433
01:32:58,319 --> 01:33:00,880
just like a lost young blood lyric
and I'm getting high on feeling low.

1434
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,319
It's you just got? Are you
not aware of how cliche that is?

1435
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,600
What is the appeal of a low
energy rap rock song? Yeah, it's

1436
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,359
just that they've started sounding like inspirational
novelty mugs, you know. And the

1437
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:21,439
acoustic song at the end feels like
twice as long. I'm now imagining Minions

1438
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:27,560
memes exactly. The only thing you
go there is you go. At least

1439
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,079
we're not closing on postcodes again.
This album feels like they're either doing way

1440
01:33:31,159 --> 01:33:36,039
too much or like too little with
something like that, and the best stuff

1441
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:42,439
on this is decent in spite of
what they're trying to do to it in

1442
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,840
a way that made me think about
like the best stuff on Gravity by Bullet

1443
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,800
of My Valentine, And again the
other band I was thinking about being and

1444
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,600
I guess a similar predicament. It
was it was Neck Deep a few years

1445
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,720
ago, and they've just released their
album sort of getting back on track of

1446
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,920
what they're good at, you know, but there was this real problem of

1447
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,119
like pop punk bands, when they
try and level up the creative ceiling and

1448
01:34:01,159 --> 01:34:04,399
maturity of that, but in order
to keep it sort of mainstream palatable,

1449
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:10,840
they normally end up face planting into
like the cringiest stuff, and you feel

1450
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,800
for them because you go, you
know, how do you experiment and spice

1451
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:18,199
up the very normal mainstream metal slick
template that everyone has fallen into. And

1452
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:23,000
While She Sleeps have kind of had
this trajectory where they've they've sanded down their

1453
01:34:23,039 --> 01:34:27,000
songs from how like chaotic and violent
they were in the beginning in order to

1454
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,359
make them kind of more mass friendly. But then what they've piled back onto

1455
01:34:30,359 --> 01:34:34,720
that to replace it, to experiment
for is just shit, and like they

1456
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:41,439
clearly want to be this kind of
open minded, eclectic anything goes kind of

1457
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,800
banned, but it's not. It's
just not nuanced enough. It's bone headed

1458
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:47,800
and garish and it's just like,
oh, your nephew in the backwards cap

1459
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:53,920
has gotten into the toy box again. Well this is it, Like for

1460
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:57,600
how much more they have thrown into
this album. They sound more generic than

1461
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,439
when they were just as straight up
metal band cranking the riffs. And this

1462
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,800
is the problem is like you can
you can throw all the genre blending you

1463
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,319
want at something, but if you're
not doing it in a way that is

1464
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:11,159
interesting, or you end up doing
is just sounding generic in different ways,

1465
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:15,319
like sounding like other artists and just
a bad version of them. And they're

1466
01:35:15,399 --> 01:35:18,279
like, I I like since me
sounded more original when they were doing shit,

1467
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,800
like even just album tracks on this
the sixth until the Death that that

1468
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:27,840
sounds more distinct to me than anything
on this album. And that's, you

1469
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,399
know, just a straight up riffer. Like I don't get how you can

1470
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,600
broaden your scope so much and throw
so much into an album and it sounds

1471
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:40,960
and have less identity and sound more
generic than when you were just going,

1472
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,119
well, we fucking love the riff
with a lot of the defense I've seen

1473
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:46,640
in this record, and me that
hasn't been all that much of it is

1474
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,520
it's, well, you know they're
getting into arenas. Now they've got right

1475
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,960
stuff that will sound good on that
stage, and you just think brainwashs would

1476
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,600
sound amazing. Why do you need
to, oh, yeah, song in

1477
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,119
down to make that sound better on
yeah? Like, I mean, that's

1478
01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:06,119
a whole other conversation about the merits
and demerits of writing for arenas. But

1479
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:11,399
I listened to this and I just
think this is clearly like the least excited

1480
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,680
while she sleeps record, and there's
no songs on here where I think,

1481
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:17,600
oh, that will sound good in
in arena, not like you know,

1482
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:21,279
Silent Speaks or the other hits they've
had in the past. It's like,

1483
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:27,039
you, the cool thing about what
you've done in the past was you were

1484
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:30,800
able to write a rena ready metal
that was still vicious and you know,

1485
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:36,239
hard nosed and aggressive. So it's
like you've softened it and you've made songs

1486
01:36:36,279 --> 01:36:42,079
that are less catchy and exciting.
Yeah. I think I can't remember one

1487
01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:44,840
of you said it, but something
quite well earlier on I think when so

1488
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:48,359
what I think was a record where
you could see how they could improve on

1489
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:54,319
it. This is a record where
you just imagine they have to retreat from

1490
01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:58,199
it. You know, it's like, you can't fashion this into something that

1491
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:01,840
will will work out in a creative
sense. It's either you keep going down

1492
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,199
this rabbit hole or just making records
that are ugly to listen to, or

1493
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:12,239
you write it off as a you
know, a misguided failure. You do

1494
01:37:12,279 --> 01:37:17,079
a self titled album your next one, and let's check in in twenty twenty

1495
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:23,399
six and see what the worlds she
Sleeps self titled album turns out being all

1496
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,199
right, a band who have probably
been quite inspirational to her. Which Sleep's

1497
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:31,159
actually a some forty one in that
bratty punk rabble rousing Some forty one's new

1498
01:37:31,159 --> 01:37:35,079
album Heaven ex Hell maybe a little
closer to what people have in their heads

1499
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:40,319
than that. Some forty one albums
over the last twenty years, I guess

1500
01:37:40,359 --> 01:37:44,199
have had different varying levels of like
feeling a fight they're a big deal or

1501
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:47,279
not. This one comes with the
significance and expectation there of being the final

1502
01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:51,199
Some forty one album they are bowing
out after a final world tour and this

1503
01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:56,079
album is to serve as their closing
chapter. And we said this on the

1504
01:37:56,079 --> 01:37:58,880
news when it was announced, but
the greeting of you know, some forty

1505
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,199
one calling it a day had a
different level of dignity to it. Then.

1506
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:05,199
I guess a lot of other pop
punk bands like them, because while

1507
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:08,520
they have had you know, they've
had ups and downs, they they maybe

1508
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,359
haven't been you know, not on
the pulse of what's like really bean relevant

1509
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,680
a a in a long time.
But they've never truly let the side down

1510
01:38:17,159 --> 01:38:21,039
or made a record that's like sullied
their name. They've never made records that

1511
01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:24,399
trades it in like hey, we
are a punk band. You know.

1512
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:27,800
They were never quick to kind of
divorce themselves from that any kind of badly

1513
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:32,000
executed pop flirtation or anything. And
so going out without a real black mark

1514
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,880
on the record that is something that
not many bands of their wilk can say,

1515
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:41,319
is it. No. I think, like you look at any of

1516
01:38:41,319 --> 01:38:45,479
those sort of like bands you're just
before them, or even sort of bands

1517
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,319
from the noughties, though I know
Newfound Glory records, I go like,

1518
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:51,600
well, that one, that one
is a bit shit, even as like

1519
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,880
a Yellow Card fan, there are
Yellow Card albums where go's not very good

1520
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,800
either, Like you can go to
Green Day wherever they all all of those

1521
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,359
had wanted to have one or two
hours where there is something maybe a touch

1522
01:39:02,359 --> 01:39:05,960
embarrassing, I think something one while
they've never like it's been a while since

1523
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,199
you know, they've had they've been
great, they have never at least kind

1524
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,079
of embarrassed themselves and sort of left
and from where you left a real sour

1525
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:19,439
taste as like creative in terms of
like records they put out. So it

1526
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,439
was kind of like nice going to
scrip fing, like you know what,

1527
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,239
you're only on your terms. Good
to see, and I think kind of

1528
01:39:27,359 --> 01:39:30,880
still continues on with that, Yeah, Elliott, I imagine maybe you know,

1529
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:34,319
the kind of classic pop punk thing, you know, varying loves investment

1530
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:36,479
to that. But I would imagine
at least for those kind of reasons,

1531
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:42,079
that Some forty one as a band
that is more respectable to even people outside

1532
01:39:42,119 --> 01:39:45,960
of like you know, being really
into pop punk. Yeah, you know,

1533
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,479
I have a sort of handful of
pop punk bands that I really like,

1534
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,840
and Some forty one were never one
of the ones I returned to loads.

1535
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:56,399
But I think they've got an excellent
greatest Hits collection. Half hour of

1536
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,000
Power is a right laugh. And
I think, if nothing else, like

1537
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,199
you said, the way they've blended
metal into their sound, which especially more

1538
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:09,439
shreddy stuff, doesn't seem like a
particularly natural fit in a way. The

1539
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,800
fact that it's not the headline grabbing
thing about some forty one we just go

1540
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,800
they're a great pop punk band or
escape punk band. You don't think they're

1541
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,640
the mental pop punk metal band that
always, Isn't it crazy? It's like

1542
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:25,399
almost the fact that you don't notice
it straight away points to the craft associated

1543
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,079
with it. And you know,
I've not heard any of the records between

1544
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:30,600
Chuck and this one, but from
the sounds of it, no news is

1545
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,720
good news, like there's no freak
show to go and attend with any of

1546
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:38,199
those. And I think, echo
what both of you said, I think

1547
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:44,640
the fact that they are taking the
initiative to bow out without a dud is

1548
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:47,000
super impressive. Yeah, I think
you would say that the kind of classic

1549
01:40:47,039 --> 01:40:51,199
sum forty one run I would say
ends at Chuck, which you know is

1550
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:55,319
twenty years ago now, those first
three albums, I would agree, Yeah,

1551
01:40:55,319 --> 01:40:57,960
what they kind of you know,
their impact has really forged on the

1552
01:40:58,039 --> 01:41:00,399
period for me that has the sort
of least stay power as like the earlier

1553
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:04,640
part of the twenty tens. I
remember when thirteen Voices came out, I

1554
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,239
was like, well, there's just
nothing really here that's going to stay with

1555
01:41:08,279 --> 01:41:11,079
me. But the last album,
More and Decline was pretty good, which,

1556
01:41:11,159 --> 01:41:13,800
again not not a world changer,
but the things that you associate with

1557
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,600
some pointy one being charged up and
a bit meaner than your average pop punk

1558
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,079
band. Out for Blood is like
their latter day ripper in my mind,

1559
01:41:20,199 --> 01:41:25,279
you know, I mean, that
album is what got a lot of good

1560
01:41:25,359 --> 01:41:28,000
favor back in line with them in
the sort of like the latter part of

1561
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,119
their career, because they have had, I think, in the last couple

1562
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:32,399
years from the album onwards, a
real resurgence of people like, yeah,

1563
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,760
some point one, we liked them. They're they're they're called yeah. And

1564
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,439
for that reason, I guess I
didn't realize how long ago that record actually

1565
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,439
was. I was looking for an
album like twenty twenty one, but it's

1566
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:45,479
twenty nineteen, and so you know
that that could have been an admirable last

1567
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,800
note, you know, and so
heaven, you know, Heaven and Hell

1568
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,840
kind of following that up, and
you're you know, this one will be

1569
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,199
I guess it will be judged with
you know, a degree more kind of

1570
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,880
seriousness. And again there was announcement
a long time ago Some forty one were

1571
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:02,560
going to be working on a double
album, and you thought, you know,

1572
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:06,199
well, this could go either way. It was an amazing fake out

1573
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:10,399
when this album is still only fifty
five minutes long, right, which is

1574
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,800
longer than usual for a Some forty
one album for sure, But when you

1575
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,600
knew it was going to be a
double album, you make two discs.

1576
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,800
Each one works out at just over
twenty minutes. You know, the concept

1577
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:24,319
is, you know, Heaven exhale
the cover art, it's inherently a little

1578
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:28,680
bit amusing. Twenty tracks of Some
forty one is certainly that's a lot.

1579
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,880
But at least when some bands go, you know, there's gonna be a

1580
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,199
disc of this, and there's gonna
be a disc of this thing. Both

1581
01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:36,880
of the pictures for what this is
going to be. You know, there

1582
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,199
was a disc of more pop punk
and a disc of walkort of metallic.

1583
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,039
You know, Some forty one can
be adept at both of those things.

1584
01:42:44,079 --> 01:42:50,720
And you know, the first disc
I guess is maybe the more like novel

1585
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:57,199
one, because the metallic edge stuff
has kind of been part of their bread

1586
01:42:57,239 --> 01:43:00,000
and butter for certainly the last handful
of records. The first disc on this

1587
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:05,479
is much more like dialing back into
like a bygone era for some forty one

1588
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:11,560
like waiting on the twist of Fate
turns back the clock. I mean like

1589
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:16,960
that that song is the most kind
of like classic slice of just naughties pop

1590
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,319
punk, like you would slap on
an American pie movie, isn't it?

1591
01:43:19,359 --> 01:43:28,199
Like it is so of that and
I'm here for it. It's still got

1592
01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:30,800
enough of the attitude and even if
it's not as metallic as something normally are,

1593
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:35,079
it's got real propulsion in the skate
punk drumming, the fucking hack and

1594
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:40,279
slash guitar chords, all that super
poppy but with attitude. I mean,

1595
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,479
like, so it's a it's a
good way to kick off it. Yeah,

1596
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,600
it's very much. It sounds like
it's channing and influence a little bit

1597
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,000
in terms of like it sounds like
one of those fast blink on two songs

1598
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,520
that I love. In the guitar
riff, You've got Johnny Libertine later on

1599
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,800
as well, which is very like
it's Christmas Eve. I have only rabbed

1600
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,119
three is like yeah, it's like
we've got you the short kind of yeah,

1601
01:43:57,359 --> 01:43:59,119
but wait, not just the face
is you know, really good.

1602
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:02,479
It's melodically good. It's fizzy and
zippy, and it has like guitar leads

1603
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,840
buzzing all over it. And it
was nice to kind of, you know,

1604
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:11,039
get from Some forty one on a
last album because that thing is what

1605
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:14,399
the world at large has been a
little bit more kind of devoid of.

1606
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:18,319
Yeah, I kind of I think
it speaks to the quality of the idea

1607
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:23,000
for this as a last record,
Like I doubled Some forty one album.

1608
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:25,960
I mean, it wouldn't be wide
asked if I had a Genie's lamp,

1609
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:30,239
to be honest. But when you
think a band like this who have two

1610
01:44:30,359 --> 01:44:33,840
quite distinct sides to them, it
makes sense to explore those both in a

1611
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:39,319
record, and by putting it Heaven
and Hell in that order, you kind

1612
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:43,720
of get something of a crash course
in what makes Some forty one special.

1613
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,720
And you know it is easy to
go, oh the metal stuff that's there.

1614
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,920
They say their bread and butter that's
there. You know, they should

1615
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:55,079
have say qua but waiting on a
twist of thirtyre like, well, ultimately

1616
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:59,760
they're a fucking really good pop punk
band. And as someone who kind of

1617
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,560
went in to this, you know, with not that all that much expectation,

1618
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,359
I think it's very easy to get
swept up in it, Like it

1619
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:10,640
just sounds like the start of an
adventure. Yeah. And land Minds,

1620
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,520
like honest to God, sounds like
a song that would have been played on

1621
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,760
MTV in two thousand and one,
you know, And I mean that in

1622
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,000
the complimentary sense, because there is
an immediacy the punches through those songs rather

1623
01:45:20,039 --> 01:45:23,840
than the kind of this kind of
sludge of pop punk melody in like the

1624
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:27,199
twenty tens and so on, and
that chorus it sounds like one that you

1625
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:30,800
you know, instinctively know with the
you know, the can't help but walk

1626
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,600
through your land Minds. It's just
even like the the oh whoa kind of

1627
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:39,079
part like isn't bad and doesn't outstay
its welcome. Yeah. So I think

1628
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:43,199
land Minds is exactly what you'd want
a lead single for this sort of final

1629
01:45:43,279 --> 01:45:45,279
some point. It's almost sad that
it's not going to have many years of

1630
01:45:45,279 --> 01:45:49,119
playing that song live, you know. Yeah, Like it's got a little

1631
01:45:49,159 --> 01:45:51,520
bit of you know, the kind
of the grown up pop punk of like

1632
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,399
Latter Day, like Blink when they're
at their best doing it. It's got

1633
01:45:56,399 --> 01:45:58,640
to touch that. But it like
I guess that just comes from you know,

1634
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,239
some point one doing it twenty two
four. But it is all bounced.

1635
01:46:01,359 --> 01:46:04,640
It's all just like got that big
woe even you know, the soft

1636
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:10,039
piano bit which friends get a bit
schmaltzy, builds into that final chorus really

1637
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:13,800
nicely. It is kind of like
a last song let it rip. Yeah,

1638
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,760
I think the chorus in that one
feels it's not the only one.

1639
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,520
I don't think it's the only one
on this album where they hit across and

1640
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:24,600
like I feel like I've heard that
course before and maybe maybe it might be

1641
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:28,000
a touch of like I'm talking about
the covers, you know, but like

1642
01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:30,920
maybe it's just some of the coins
as being a little generic. But they

1643
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,199
are catchy and infectious in the right
ways. I think, you know,

1644
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:35,520
people say about the Ramones, the
whole thing of oh you hear it once

1645
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:40,439
and it's in your head forever.
I think basically all the best poppy punk

1646
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:44,680
bands are at least in some ways
capable of that. And you know Some

1647
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:46,199
forty one, that's true of all
their big hits. You think, you

1648
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:48,560
know, you hear fat Lip once, you hear in two Deep Ones,

1649
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:53,079
and it's it's in your brain forever, and you know land Lies. When

1650
01:46:53,079 --> 01:46:54,720
it came out as a single,
I thought, oh, you know,

1651
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,199
that's fine, but I didn't really
go back to it, and then I

1652
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:00,640
found myself singing it just in day
to day life. And is that song?

1653
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:03,840
Is that the Some forty one single
from a few weeks ago? It's

1654
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:08,479
just it's been stuck in my head
consistently since it came out, and I

1655
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,199
think, like you say, them
having that as a leading it's a shame

1656
01:47:11,239 --> 01:47:14,760
that they're only gonna get another year
or so of playing it live because it

1657
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,399
just sounds like classics Some forty one. Yeah, And there is a kind

1658
01:47:17,399 --> 01:47:21,840
of there's a buoyancy and exuberancy in
like this stuff that kind of it almost

1659
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:27,680
like bypasses like a lot of the
kind of darkness and the more way down

1660
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,840
sort of spirit that exists in Some
forty one's music, Like certainly you know

1661
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:35,680
post Chuck, but it's it's interesting
how authentically it speaks to what people liked

1662
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:40,199
about them when they very first broke
through. There aren't really many examples of

1663
01:47:40,199 --> 01:47:42,159
one of these bands doing that with
so much ease, you know, like

1664
01:47:42,199 --> 01:47:45,680
you have specifically this first disc basically
going, hey, remember all Killer,

1665
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,439
No Filler? Yeah, look at
the Offsprings attempts at doing that same kind

1666
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:54,159
of thing. You know. It's
it's weird how like nice it is coming

1667
01:47:54,199 --> 01:47:57,600
from some forty one to hear them
do that, you know. And I

1668
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,279
guess there's part of that is,
you know, songs like I Can't Wait

1669
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:03,239
it's just like punk as fuck in
a very like two minute guitar chords,

1670
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:06,079
hammering you over the head like a
nineties Green Day song, and it's like,

1671
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,640
remember when pop punk was punk,
you know, and it's it's not

1672
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:15,880
unexploited song, it's still unashamedly pop, but it's you remember the fusion of

1673
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:19,640
those things, stuff like I can't
Wait. Future Primitive is the one for

1674
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:26,680
that, like just real like rocking
skate pung and there that I'm Letting Go

1675
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,840
who chorus that fucking rules, really
high energy solo, but yeah, I

1676
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,319
can't Wait it's got you know,
a bouncy pop punk rift I've heard a

1677
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:38,680
hundred times, and you know it
still works when they drop it, like

1678
01:48:39,159 --> 01:48:42,680
and it is. It is even
on the Poppuler side of this project.

1679
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,319
For the most part, they still
remind you that, like they are a

1680
01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:49,079
punk band at their heart, and
they aren't gonna shave down those edges too

1681
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:53,000
much for them, Like there were
occasional moments they might do a little bit

1682
01:48:53,039 --> 01:48:56,319
and you know, I will let
them have that because they for the most

1683
01:48:56,359 --> 01:48:59,279
part they are hitting around the head
with just like punk. Yeah, and

1684
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,960
there are a couple songs like like
Time Won't Wait you can imagine sort of

1685
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:05,319
being like you know, like something
that Derek will have like ghost written for

1686
01:49:05,359 --> 01:49:09,600
All Time Low or someone like that. But then Future Primitive comes around that

1687
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:12,640
it's got that kind of circle pit
mania to it in pop punk, and

1688
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,119
you go, well, that's that's
only some forty one, you know,

1689
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:18,880
that's kind of giving you that and
it's really energizing. Great song. Yes,

1690
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:24,159
it just sounds like Tony Hawk's Downhill
Jam, like Big Woes skate punk

1691
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:28,039
aggression and like Shreddy Solo comes in. At first, I was going,

1692
01:49:28,199 --> 01:49:31,159
well, lads, the metal disc
is later like we're getting a bit headed,

1693
01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:34,439
but then you remember it's like,
no, they were like their first

1694
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:39,199
EPs like iron Maid and LEAs and
stuff, so it's it really is like

1695
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:44,319
as much like it's just you know, ninety skate punk in's some forty one's

1696
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:48,520
very distinctive brand of ninety skate punk, and I just think hearing them play

1697
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,119
that again, it just sounds comforting. Yeah, and you know, stuff

1698
01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:57,199
like like dopamine or like the closer
radio silence they've got again those sort of

1699
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:00,920
more like lighter in the air bits
but bad mistake with that little skip on

1700
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,399
the drums and that sort of there's
a pop punk tempo that you don't hear

1701
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:05,720
so much anymore that a lot of
bands used to do, and that kind

1702
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:11,119
of pop punk country. Yeah,
almost like it's fine. And Derek's you

1703
01:50:11,159 --> 01:50:15,800
know, his chorus melodies and his
delivery that they are very familiar in that

1704
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,479
kind of immediate sense, but at
the same time very distinct to him,

1705
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,479
and it's got that, you know. It's just it's pleasant to hear those

1706
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:25,359
coming from him, like he's like
he's an artisan of that particular, you

1707
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:28,199
know, form of writing a song
like that, and it's just nice to

1708
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,560
hear and I found like that,
you know, that disc goes so quickly

1709
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:36,000
because it is the zippiest, most
upbeat, breezy material that something we would

1710
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,840
have written in years, you know, harkening back to kind of the time

1711
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,560
that bore them in twenty five minutes
and so you know, of course that

1712
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,600
flies by. One of the biggest
praise that I can give this album is

1713
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,439
I finished the first disc and I
was still ready for another go of album,

1714
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,319
you know, which is like the
big worry with double albums that you

1715
01:50:53,319 --> 01:50:55,720
get to the end of the first
one and go, Jesus, that's me

1716
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,840
done. Didn't feel that by the
time I've reached the end of this one

1717
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:01,000
of this, No, I'd agree, because I think it is. It's

1718
01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:04,079
the songs are so to the point
there's not an ounce of fat on them

1719
01:51:04,119 --> 01:51:08,279
for the most of the part.
Like they are so just like in out

1720
01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:12,279
choruses, riffs, big bouncy bits
more like I said, like the close

1721
01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:15,239
track, it is maybe probably one
of my less liked songs on Disc one.

1722
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,720
It's I think it's not bad when
it comes to you know, pop

1723
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,479
punk balladary. It's not you know, the fucking shit that was on the

1724
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:26,479
Green Day album that we were laughing
at. It's still got a bit of

1725
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,479
you know, a bit of emph
to it, so which some point you

1726
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:31,880
won't bring. So it just means
that you never find like this. This

1727
01:51:32,039 --> 01:51:34,359
one ever really drags on. So
yeah, when it finished, I was

1728
01:51:34,399 --> 01:51:39,039
gonna like, bring on another nine
or so songs. I think. I

1729
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:42,239
think it helps a lot as well
that most times when bands do this would

1730
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:45,319
have been a double album, it's
gonna be two different styles more often not.

1731
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:47,039
The first disc is like the bangers, the stuff you want to hear,

1732
01:51:47,079 --> 01:51:50,000
and then they go now it's going
into the ambience album and you're like,

1733
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:53,159
oh no, I've had the album, like, please, don't don't

1734
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:55,479
do this to me. I think
it helps. You're going from a pop

1735
01:51:55,479 --> 01:52:00,359
punk record into a more metal punk
record. So even if you are starting

1736
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:03,079
to go, Okay, I think
I've had my album, it feels like

1737
01:52:03,079 --> 01:52:08,600
you're getting a completely separate album in
a way. I mean, the second

1738
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:11,880
one, hell you know, I
was ready to raise my horns and enter.

1739
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:15,079
Hell I did. I did a
legitimate double take when I was gearing

1740
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:16,840
up for that. And the intro
track is like daft punk voices or something

1741
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,239
like not the hell that I was
envisioning an interesting interpretation of that. But

1742
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:23,520
you know, you don't wait too
long until you get riffs, and then

1743
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:26,800
Rise Up comes around and you're reminded, oh, yeah, not only are

1744
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,359
some forty ones melodic instincts much better
than most, but their peers weren't coming

1745
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:35,159
close to that level of weight either. No, like that opening riff on

1746
01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:38,920
Rise Up and like the snot and
the attitude is still there, but it's

1747
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,920
kind of always got like a bit
of scope that you would expect from a

1748
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,840
heavy metal band in there as well, just funneled through momentous like propulsive pop

1749
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:50,520
punk, and I think like really
like really good, and like the breakdown

1750
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:54,039
on that song is harder than anything
on the Sleeps album if you ask me,

1751
01:52:54,239 --> 01:52:57,039
Like, no, that's what I
was was exactly what I was gonna

1752
01:52:57,039 --> 01:53:00,319
say. When that beat down comes
in, is that king, Yeah,

1753
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:05,680
like proper like hardcore kind of in
the background, like that yelp that comes

1754
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:11,319
in, like wildly intense for some
forty one to be putting on a record

1755
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,800
close to thirty years in Yeah,
and that part again, I was thinking

1756
01:53:15,079 --> 01:53:17,439
that marsh part is about as hard
as the likes of bringing the horizon.

1757
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:21,159
Do you know these days in those
kind of moments and the fear with a

1758
01:53:21,239 --> 01:53:26,920
double album like this where the two
sides are kind of majorly regimented. You

1759
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,600
know, you know there are bands
who have done kind of double albums le

1760
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,720
needs different sides and it's just well, and you go, those things are

1761
01:53:35,079 --> 01:53:39,960
that go well together have been separated
and are now less effective in isolation.

1762
01:53:40,199 --> 01:53:43,680
Like the only example I can think
of right now is punoptoicons one amusingly,

1763
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:45,840
but you know what I mean,
right, that kind of thing happens and

1764
01:53:46,079 --> 01:53:50,239
like that the first disc though,
you look back and he goes, oh,

1765
01:53:50,279 --> 01:53:53,840
yeah, that was like the pop
punk dick disc, but it has

1766
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:58,319
those kind of like harder punk inclinations
on it. Rise Up is a metal

1767
01:53:58,359 --> 01:54:00,000
song with that marsh part, but
it has a really zippy chorus again like

1768
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:03,439
that there are they've leaned further in, but the core identity is still kind

1769
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:09,000
of always there. Stranger in These
Times has a cool kind of like stringier

1770
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:13,000
heavy riff moving around the threat which
bouncy last time. Yeah, like really

1771
01:54:13,039 --> 01:54:15,159
the first band that came to mind
when that intro hit was tall but there,

1772
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:18,359
and it still kind of packs a
really good chorus and again, you

1773
01:54:18,399 --> 01:54:21,000
know, there are more Fillery tracks, there are tracks that I won't think

1774
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,880
about again, but at the very
least it was. You know, it's

1775
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,880
pleasing to me that the pace is
almost always there in terms of like skate

1776
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,159
punk, core d beat. You
could even say at times like it's not

1777
01:54:31,279 --> 01:54:36,960
allowed to become very stodgy or lumpen, because almost always just going, just

1778
01:54:38,119 --> 01:54:43,520
going, flashy, ripping solos,
the thrash riffing in over the edge just

1779
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,239
keeps it, you know. Biting
You Wanted War is a great rift.

1780
01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:49,920
It's got like a kind of like
heavier billy talent Naughty metal, Like,

1781
01:54:50,079 --> 01:54:51,800
that's one to me, I was
like, that's the best bull of my

1782
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:58,560
Valentine's song. That riff of that, like Mellow Jeff work, the Medical

1783
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,560
Band's works. When the Mellow Deft
were kind of making it really commercial some

1784
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,600
point one doing that it's really fun. I was like, oh, hell

1785
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,279
yeah, I kind of missed that
riffing, And so when I got on

1786
01:55:06,279 --> 01:55:10,399
to some point one album, it
just really made me smile. I mean,

1787
01:55:10,439 --> 01:55:13,159
House of Lives before that is kind
of a bit like Naughty's emo and

1788
01:55:13,239 --> 01:55:15,399
kind of the drama to it.
But again, on this side, they're

1789
01:55:15,399 --> 01:55:18,439
still giving each to these songs a
bit of their own personality where you're right

1790
01:55:18,439 --> 01:55:21,239
over the edge, I kind of
had it's got a bit of hardcore in

1791
01:55:21,319 --> 01:55:27,600
it, more like the thrash you've
got, uh any one that has kind

1792
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,800
of like low end to it,
where like this is as heavy as this

1793
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,359
sort of thing can get without scaring
off the kind of the pure pop punk

1794
01:55:33,399 --> 01:55:36,920
fans. Like I think it's kind
of animal that something are willing to actually

1795
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:42,079
like out. They're the solo on
that is like problem Metallica in its sort

1796
01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:45,680
of fresh influence. I think that
they're drove from stuff that's all really just

1797
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:49,239
fun and exciting things to just add
into the some point one kind of established

1798
01:55:49,239 --> 01:55:55,520
formula. I think having those Derrek
Whibley choruses does make the whole thing feel

1799
01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:59,039
a lot more distinctive, because I
mean it would be distinctive enough of a

1800
01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:01,880
pop punk band that's going metal in
the second half, but just having that

1801
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:05,119
that root in the classic some forty
one sound. I mean, I feel

1802
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:09,399
like I'm repeating myself, but over
the edge and I don't need anyone.

1803
01:56:10,039 --> 01:56:15,520
The choruses are just real standout moments, and I think it makes those songs

1804
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:17,159
more memorable in the way that,
like you say, there are some filler

1805
01:56:17,239 --> 01:56:20,119
tracks that I don't think I'll go
back to again, but the ones where

1806
01:56:20,399 --> 01:56:26,680
I can remember and record the chorus, they just have a staying power that

1807
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,560
I don't think, you know,
the last Green Day record, or certainly

1808
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,399
the last Offspring record or anything like
that. It's kind of in one ear

1809
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:35,239
out the other. But just having
someone a songwriter to the caliber of Derek

1810
01:56:35,279 --> 01:56:40,319
Wibley I think does a lot for
this record. Yeah, the cover of

1811
01:56:40,319 --> 01:56:45,000
Painted Black on the second disc.
Strange choice, but I guess it ate

1812
01:56:45,039 --> 01:56:47,319
bad. You know, they've made
a double album enough and you go at

1813
01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:49,840
this stage, all right, why
not put a cover in there? I

1814
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:54,760
quite like in the bridge there's like
a Cliff Burton style base interpretation of the

1815
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:58,000
melody. Yeah, strange choice,
but it's there. Yeah, it's just

1816
01:56:58,079 --> 01:57:00,039
you know, in the lineage of
double album other songs, it's in there

1817
01:57:00,079 --> 01:57:08,359
with Knocking on Evan's Door and five
Finger Death Punch doing Mama said it's pretty

1818
01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:10,960
hard. In fairness, it's probably
the least essential part of the album.

1819
01:57:11,079 --> 01:57:14,680
I still wouldn't say it's a terrible
cover. I don't mean it like makes

1820
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,720
the experience any worse. It's just
kind of it's just there. But I'm

1821
01:57:17,039 --> 01:57:20,279
fine. Yeah, Like, you
know if on repeated listens, I ended

1822
01:57:20,319 --> 01:57:23,760
up kind of wanting to skip this
one, not because it was bad,

1823
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,680
but I've got Painted Black. I've
heard that enough times and it seems like

1824
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,239
an odd thing to do, like
put right towards the end of your final

1825
01:57:30,279 --> 01:57:31,800
album. But maybe there's an element
of well, if not now, when

1826
01:57:32,279 --> 01:57:35,920
and they want to cover it sole
Like I don't think some would have been

1827
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:40,760
missing something if they left us off. But yes, it's okay. Has

1828
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:43,359
a feeling of like this is the
last time we've got to get everything we

1829
01:57:43,439 --> 01:57:45,479
ever wanted to do left on there. We really want to cover Painted Black

1830
01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:48,239
by the Bawling Stones, put it
on the metal disc. You've got to

1831
01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:53,720
do it. That's on the bucket
list things to do before we go.

1832
01:57:54,720 --> 01:58:00,439
Yeah, I think this album it's
not necessarily like a hw massive leap from

1833
01:58:00,479 --> 01:58:03,720
like the kind of generally respectable level
that they've been at. You know,

1834
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:08,680
like if you were giving numbered scores
in a magazine review for this, their

1835
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:12,119
last few albums would have similar scores. You know, you're not jumping from

1836
01:58:12,119 --> 01:58:15,239
fucking you're looking at like it's it's
a respectful Yeah, you're not going from

1837
01:58:15,279 --> 01:58:19,319
like four to nines or whatever.
They've been pretty consistent, But the actual

1838
01:58:19,319 --> 01:58:26,359
ambition, I guess on a musical
level, it's not necessarily gone hugely because

1839
01:58:27,039 --> 01:58:30,439
it's just they're piling on more of
what they have always done in kind of

1840
01:58:30,439 --> 01:58:32,359
differently arranged ways. So it does
occasionally it still plays a bit like the

1841
01:58:32,399 --> 01:58:35,079
greatest hits, you know, like
I remember this, but you I think

1842
01:58:35,079 --> 01:58:40,239
you would at least consider the argument
that this is their best album since Chuck

1843
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,880
maybe, like you know what one
of the couple afterwards, maybe if you

1844
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,399
have particular fonds for those, But
like I'm I'm just finding it all tinged

1845
01:58:47,439 --> 01:58:50,680
with this sentiment of like good for
them, because like they've they've crafted their

1846
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:55,520
last album and not only is it
of a good quality, but they've also

1847
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,279
they put it together in a way
that was a bit of a new hurdle

1848
01:58:58,319 --> 01:59:00,239
for them, and it could have
gone less well than it has and they've

1849
01:59:00,359 --> 01:59:05,000
generally pulled it off. And it's
it's cool that they've chosen to end on

1850
01:59:05,039 --> 01:59:08,960
this kind of direct statement of like
this is what we did, you know,

1851
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,600
like our direct musical offering to the
world was that kind of bridge between

1852
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:15,199
pop punk and heavy metal. That
was our thing that no one else quite

1853
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:17,680
did like us. And you know, there was a quote from Derek in

1854
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:23,039
the karrang cover story where he says, if there's one record that defines who

1855
01:59:23,039 --> 01:59:25,560
we are, it's this one.
And that is something that every fucker in

1856
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:28,680
the world says about their new record, right, But like, I actually

1857
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:31,159
get what he's saying with this one. Like maybe not their best ever record,

1858
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:34,159
sure, but in terms of like
the components of the record, the

1859
01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:40,119
most some forty on records, you
could entertain that being actually true. Yeah,

1860
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:42,960
No, I'm kind of similar.
I've just got a lot of good

1861
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,279
will for this of being you know, a band on the kind of record

1862
01:59:45,439 --> 01:59:51,319
doing something good and not again taking
a big swing, showing ambition and not

1863
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:57,600
like completely like but not like just
throwing every idea, every shit idea into

1864
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,960
an ending with something there's a complete
mess. It is still focused for a

1865
02:00:00,039 --> 02:00:03,239
big for a vast double album.
They've just they've honed in on that the

1866
02:00:03,279 --> 02:00:05,520
two sides, and like, well, we're focusing on that there and that

1867
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:11,359
there, and it just results in
just a very easy listen for a fifty

1868
02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:14,640
five minute double album that is full
of choruses that stick for me, that

1869
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:19,199
doesn't ever like maybe isn't completely rammed
of essential material, but I've never I

1870
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,960
wouldn't. Wasn't there any point listener
having a bad time? And I was

1871
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,640
like, yeah, really, fucking
give you some point one for like baring

1872
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,079
out on a like note they kind
of be like, this is a classy

1873
02:00:30,119 --> 02:00:31,960
note for them to end on.
Yeah, I think they could have completely

1874
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,520
coasted if they wanted to. They
could have not released an album and just

1875
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:38,880
done the farewell to or they could
have just done another album in the vein

1876
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,840
were the ones they've done recently,
and it would have been noticeable just by

1877
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,239
virtual of being their last, Like
you say, taking a big swing,

1878
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,279
And I've not heard the records in
the middle, but I'll take your word

1879
02:00:47,319 --> 02:00:50,319
for it that it's every bit as
good as any of them. And if

1880
02:00:50,359 --> 02:00:53,640
someone said to me, like,
what some foot of one albums should I

1881
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,800
check out? I wouldn't give them
this to be like this is the best

1882
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,520
one. But I can understand why
someone would say, if you're going to

1883
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,439
get the some forty one catalogue,
it's definitely worth getting this one because it

1884
02:01:03,479 --> 02:01:08,359
kind of feels like it tells the
story in a really heartwarming way. Yeah,

1885
02:01:08,399 --> 02:01:10,880
I agree. And certainly, you
know, one last time the bands

1886
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:14,239
that they kind of came up around, like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte and

1887
02:01:14,279 --> 02:01:15,520
stuff like that from that kind of
two thousand and two era, you know,

1888
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:19,039
they've distanced themselves from that lot and
you know, run rings around a

1889
02:01:19,039 --> 02:01:23,359
few of them once again. So
yeah, bravo Some forty one. You

1890
02:01:23,359 --> 02:01:29,000
know, it's a very fine final
album and a very very respectable last note

1891
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,319
to do. So yeah, bravo. There you go. Those are two

1892
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:33,920
little extra reviews from the month of
March, two big records that we were

1893
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:38,199
not going to let float by us
for very very different reason. Thank you

1894
02:01:38,399 --> 02:01:42,399
very much for listening. Let us
know what you think. Are you enjoying

1895
02:01:42,439 --> 02:01:45,960
the final Some forty one album?
Were we too harsh on While She Sleeps?

1896
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,520
Can you see again what we said
about kind of like, is this

1897
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:53,439
a record that they just have to
retreat from because it's unsalvagable or whatever?

1898
02:01:53,479 --> 02:01:55,159
Can you see a way which it
can be? Selvash? You know,

1899
02:01:55,239 --> 02:01:58,439
is there a better While She Sleeps
album in there? I would be curious

1900
02:01:58,479 --> 02:02:01,039
to hear what you guys think,
so let us know. Go and join

1901
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:03,840
the Patreon if you want to hear
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1902
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:08,560
Earli where we're talking about you know, Palm Reader and agrofab nos bit and

1903
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:10,560
all that. But that will also
give you access to the T and M

1904
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:13,520
Discord channel, where we chat about
all this kind of shit with you guys

1905
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,399
all week long. So there you
go. Next week we will be back

1906
02:02:16,439 --> 02:02:20,520
with a normal audition Hyperblast. We
will also have more stuff coming to the

1907
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:25,760
Patreon as we get underway. And
yeah, next time we do album reviews

1908
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:30,800
here it will be the fucking motherload
of some big, amazing, wildly eclectic,

1909
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:34,600
all over the place huge stuff records. So cheers very much. We'll

1910
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,159
see you there for all of that. Bye bye,