WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:32.359 Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show 2 00:00:32.560 --> 00:01:02.600 about government policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy and Rights here in 3 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:07.959 Depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Clogs. The UN Human Rights 4 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:17.719 Commission has been reporting about UM things that are happening in West Africa, human 5 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:26.480 rights conditions that are destabilizing and a lot of it due to coups and attacks 6 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:41.719 and areas of burka, guinea fossils and other areas in the Niger region of 7 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:53.719 West Africa. And we do have UM a recording of a guest who appeared 8 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.959 via zoom into the United Nations into New y York, where they're going to 9 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:07.480 talk about some of the some of the conditions and what is happening over there 10 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:15.520 with UM different levels of violence and people being displaced because of violence. And 11 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:23.759 according to the Human Rights Commission for the United Nations, people have met and 12 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:35.479 endured horrifying traumatic events with reports of more than five hundred people being killed in 13 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:44.080 four hundred and seventy two attacks and counter military operations since last year. Along 14 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:52.039 with that, UM with the lack of food and at times the ability to 15 00:02:52.120 --> 00:03:05.240 grow food has also helped destabilize the area. The Burka Any Fossil thirteen regions 16 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:15.599 hosts people fleeing from the violence. The Center Nord region hosts the largest number 17 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:24.879 of displaced people with more than nine hundred and sixty let's try it again, 18 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:44.879 one hundred ninety six thousand in the Samatia province alone, allowed followed by the 19 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:53.240 Sahel region with one hundred and thirty three thousand in the southern province. Some 20 00:03:53.520 --> 00:04:04.520 one way people are now in urgent need of humanitarian assistance, and they also 21 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:16.519 the Human Race Commission will also remain extremely worried about the thirty one thousand Malians 22 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:23.920 refugees who are also are affected in an ongoing conflict. So there's a lot 23 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:30.360 of work to be done there. And let's listen to the guests who appeared 24 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.560 into the press room for the United Nations in New York City and hear what 25 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:42.240 he actually has to date to say about the area, as he is the 26 00:04:42.360 --> 00:05:02.000 UAN representative for that particular area of West Africa. Mister Santo Sama, can 27 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:08.040 you hear us? Yes? Yes, okay, great, all right, 28 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:14.399 We're we're set now. Now let's get started without any further ado. We 29 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:19.000 have with us the Secretary General's Special Representative for West Africa and the Sahel, 30 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:24.879 Leonardo Santo Schmau, who is talking to you from Akra, Ghana. Mister 31 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:31.759 Santo, welcome, thank you, thank you good I have known everyone first 32 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:39.560 and for most. Let me rate rate our condemnation of decision of power by 33 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:46.240 force initial head. The unfolding crisis, if not addressed, will is acerbated, 34 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:53.199 desiating the security situation in the region. It will also negatively impact the 35 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:59.279 development and lives of the populations in our country, where four point three million 36 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:06.600 people need humanitarian assistance. Nisher and the region do not need cuse dat Are 37 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:15.759 operations deserves to enjoy peace, democratic governance and prosperity. Heads of State of 38 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:21.879 the region gather in Bush last Sunday for the EQUAS Externary Summit on the situation 39 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:30.839 de Nishair and have taken the scisive action commensurate with the gravity of the situation. 40 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:40.600 We remain engaged to support equa's efforts towards restoring a constitutional order and consolidating 41 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:46.680 democratic gains in Nishair. Thank you. This is my opening remarks. Okay, 42 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.279 thank you great, thank you very much. We'll now turn the floor 43 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:53.360 over to questions. First off, from Edith Letterer of the Associated Press. 44 00:06:54.279 --> 00:07:04.199 Um, thank you mister Santos shamov On behalf the United Nations Correspondence Association for 45 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:13.759 doing this briefing. It's a subject where all interested in. My question is 46 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:30.759 the military leaders of Molly and Burkina Faso have said that the deployment of any 47 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:39.720 foreign forces from Ecoas or elsewhere would be considered an act of war and they 48 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:49.439 would join the niger Cool leaders to help fight. You were in Nigeria for 49 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:58.680 the ECOAS meeting. Do you expect Ecoas to go ahead with the deployment of 50 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.319 troops in life of this, have you still been having any new discussions on 51 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:18.519 what might come next In efforts to restore President Bazoom to power, the simmy 52 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:26.600 to give one week to the military junta to hand a bad power to present 53 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:35.679 Bazoom. If this doesn't happen with the after that week, then other options 54 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:41.200 on the making, including military intervention, include use of force. That's what 55 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:48.399 they said. That period in my view, is trying to give time for 56 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:54.519 a peaceful segment to take place. So there have been an airports underway. 57 00:08:54.679 --> 00:09:03.519 Yeah, you may recall that they ask the President of Chat to go to 58 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:15.399 Niamey to meet some of the key personalities involved on these matters. So, 59 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:22.000 and I believe that other efforts also and the way so I hope that the 60 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:30.039 use of force eventually will not be necessary. Is the UN involved in any 61 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:41.039 of these new efforts to peacefully resolve this situation. We are supporting courts because 62 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.080 our role is precisely that and not to be aware. But we are not 63 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:54.279 engaged on any negotiations of her. But we are fully supporting the old efforts 64 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:03.600 to restore democratic order in that country. Thanks, I am Asam, how 65 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:09.039 my name is it? Sam as Larabilded newspaper. I have follow up when 66 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:15.960 you say you're supporting all efforts that this also include the statements you refer to 67 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:22.080 by okasok which says which talks about the which includes the use of force in 68 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:31.240 case the UM the military does not reinstate the elected president and UM if I'm 69 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.480 just to to UM to clarify, so from the U N from your office, 70 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.440 you are not in any direct contact with the military with the coup UM 71 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:50.600 people. And when was the last time you were in contact with the president 72 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:58.919 Mohammad Bazoom? Thank you uh well a few weeks ago. I was umah 73 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:07.480 May it was well before the cow this time around when they who started. 74 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.879 I try to want him with that much success. But that's a name, 75 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:18.519 a message of solidarity. So uh. Now, the decision of use force 76 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:26.320 if necessary, it's it's not a UN A decision, it's AS decision. 77 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.559 But what we we, we will, we value and we support is that 78 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:41.799 all means to find a peaceful solutions for for the problem should be used. 79 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:52.080 But recognize also that EQUS has the right to take the admensions if they feel 80 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.519 fit. Um just to clarify, sorry, just follow up. So does 81 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.080 that mean I mean it's clear for me that it's an equal decision to ORUM 82 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.440 for the issue of the use the force. But does the UN support that 83 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.080 or not? Or do you believe in such case you would need they would 84 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:16.200 need um a Security Council resolution. No, do you want to look at 85 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:22.360 the work with the UN mandate? Without mandate, UN doesn't have mandated to 86 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.879 intervene. That's why I was saying, that's the eventual use of force. 87 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:37.039 It's a hum as aboriginal decision by aquas. Okay, Celia the Labyneil Africa 88 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:43.679 Confidential, you talked about giving the junta one week. Do you think it's 89 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:52.120 realistic? And uh do you think also? Uh? It's what is the 90 00:12:52.159 --> 00:13:01.799 world realistic too? To impose sanction on a country which is the pous control 91 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:13.279 in Africa? Well marey I sorry, Nitia is a member of original organization. 92 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.519 So when you do so, yeah, that means that you are saved 93 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:28.600 to abide your political behavior in line with the principles of that organization. On 94 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.519 the other end, yeah, you know by being a member what is going 95 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:39.600 to it might happen to you if you don't follow, if you violated the 96 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:48.399 rules governing the organization of which you are part of. And therefore to say 97 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:54.440 that one week, one week can be more than enough if everybody talks in 98 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.919 good faith to find out our solution, if everybody wants to avoid a blood 99 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:09.200 said about the sanction please, but the factions we are now I have been 100 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:16.600 imposed a wild immediate effect. Yeah so uh under way. But even equals 101 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:24.759 equals as far as I understand, it's not for use of force. It's 102 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:30.840 for negotiating a settlement of the of the situation. That's why they despite the 103 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:39.320 President of Chad and the other a voice trying to find a solution that, 104 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.519 But what did they say is that they are going to use other would use 105 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:52.679 force if this peaceful means fail. Thank you. From the statement that issued 106 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:58.200 by the Security Council on the issue, it doesn't seem it doesn't seem that 107 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.759 the Secrety Council is willing to take actions. It supports the Equas, but 108 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.720 it doesn't seem that the Security Council itself ready or willing to take actions. 109 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.519 Do you think there is a need for the Secret Council to take actions on 110 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:20.360 this issue? Well, I don't speak on the heart of the Secret Council. 111 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:26.279 I don't have a mandate for that. What I can say is that 112 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:33.840 the Secret Council, you see issue a community condemned the coup, so this 113 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.039 can be affirt to stay as stage before eventually taking adamasure if needed. But 114 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:48.799 also it was clear by the community of Secret Council that the organ is supporting 115 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:56.840 the initiatives led by EQUAS. Okay, Margaret Bischer, Hi, it's Margaret 116 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.960 Buscher from Voice of America. UM could tell us have you spoken with anyone 117 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.559 in the military, any of the mutineers and have they given you any signal 118 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.480 whatsoever that this could be reversible? And could you also just tell us where 119 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:15.879 you're speaking to us from today. Well, I didn't talk to any the 120 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:22.799 military involved on that. As I said, we are supporting what the whole 121 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.519 process is conducted by AQUAS and this will be the line we accepted. So 122 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:37.279 we are going to continue along with this this path to support they the original 123 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:42.399 organization. And by the way, he's speaking from Akra from Ghana, from 124 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:49.440 Ghana, And have you had any sign that this could be reversible? Well, 125 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.080 it's difficult. Got the situation is very fluid. What I know is 126 00:16:53.120 --> 00:17:02.799 that different member states are preparing themselves to use force if necessary. But as 127 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:08.319 I said that the situation is a fluid But there are these efforts of a 128 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:17.440 find a peaceful solution for the problem. Everybody's giving giving a priority to produce 129 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:25.759 efforts. Michelle Nichols, Thank you Michelle Nichols from Router's Um. How concerned 130 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:32.200 are you that this could deteriorate, deteriorate into a regional conflict and how quickly 131 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:42.000 that could happen. But my concern is that if measures are not taking or 132 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.119 this rat is not terriversed, it's very likely that the spread of terrorism in 133 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:57.200 the region can increase so the concern is there not only mine concern but also 134 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:03.680 the concern of the region. But no one wants to see original confidence happening, 135 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:10.079 but only at the end. According to what I understood the Desigmit, 136 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:18.599 not only on Desigmit, but also in the seven July Sammit which took play 137 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:33.759 in this own the region decided to be intolerant through illegal essessions of our Thank 138 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.440 you abd Siam from the Arabic Daily Acts Arabi Sir. Since the end of 139 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:44.640 the Cold Warder, at least had been eighty two cop military coups in Africa. 140 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:49.319 Many of them were able to establish themselves and asked the previous government being 141 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:56.799 elected or not elected. Recently, there was a coups in Mali and Porkina 142 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.680 Faso in many countries. In Egypt two thousands thirteen, a bloody coup. 143 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:07.799 Yet the world we're able to tolerate and accept this military coup. Why this 144 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.640 is an exception? Why do you think this military coup is an exception? 145 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:17.200 And the African Union ECHO was the U and will never will not tolerate this 146 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:27.599 military coup. Thank you well. ECHO was as a protocol on governance on 147 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:40.799 them which members said have to abide by the last ordinary Stammach in bis hour. 148 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:48.839 This decision was that was truthfold one bit. Well, the region echo 149 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:56.240 was as to assus those consents in transitions, namely mainly again and booking a 150 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:06.440 fassle to complete the process of transition through elections. Second, not accept who 151 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:11.400 the attack anymore. So it is in land with the second part of the 152 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:19.119 decision that the as of State and O generation attacking this action which is different 153 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.720 from what they did in the past, because they understood that well this pattern 154 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:33.960 of having a trial than having a negotiation two years Also, transition has to 155 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:40.880 stop as in order to discourage a similar situation to happen in the future, 156 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:48.559 because we have to take into account then until a few years ago all West 157 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:59.200 Africans failed. We're seen as the model of stability and democratic rule and that's 158 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:07.319 at the image has to be a restored. Linda Fazila untill NPR the UN. 159 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:15.279 My question is about potential negotiations. I believe you said that you know 160 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:22.759 the possible threat of use of force by eCos would only occur after unless their 161 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.720 peace discussions fail or something to that effect, that there have to be some 162 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:32.839 peace talks. So how much time. I mean, is there any indication 163 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:38.240 number one that the cool leaders will will participate at all or might participate just 164 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:48.599 to delay possible use of force. Well, I cannot go further than what 165 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:56.400 does because we are an expended organization to EGO different institution. Well, I'm 166 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:03.519 talking based on what I ud God and the Samage, And what I did 167 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:11.720 was that first they give a week the whole process and to happen therefore to 168 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:19.200 find two that there are peaceful solution they found after we've then that will take 169 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:29.680 the other measures. That's what I can I can say, Kristin Salim, 170 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:34.480 I wonder Kristin Salumi from Al Jazeera, Um, could you put into perspective 171 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:41.799 for us the importance of Nizer for UN operations in the region, especially given 172 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:48.039 in Molly the peacekeeping force there is coming to an end. Um. We 173 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:55.119 were told that there's over a thousand UN employees in Nijer, some three hundred 174 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.799 international and so on. What kind of work is being done there and what 175 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.519 is at risk? UM? As instability increases in the region. Thank you 176 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:14.039 well. So far our colleagues in uh In Asia continue to provide to run 177 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:21.519 their programs. There is no sign that this can happen in Mali's a different 178 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:27.559 story because given the withdrawal of newsman or have to make sure that they can 179 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:34.200 operate insecurity. If there and if there is no ccsecurity obvious, they cannot 180 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:40.519 operate. So programs will have to be suspended if there is no guarantee of 181 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:52.119 assegurity for them to operate. Thank you a lot of TV station UM. 182 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:59.119 Have you had any discussions in the last two days with the authorities in Mali 183 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:07.920 and Burkina Asu, we saw that they both considered that any intervention in Nisia 184 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:14.279 would be considered as a declaration of war. Also, can you share with 185 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:22.279 us your understanding to what's happening in the region with military leaders, because we 186 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.640 see that this is not the first school in the region and it seems that 187 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:41.119 there are some um shared maybe atmosphere or aspirations in the military authorities to UM 188 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:47.319 to take power or if you can share us share with us your thoughts about 189 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:55.640 that. Thank you well. On the statement Mali and Burkina, I don't 190 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.000 have any comment to make at this time. What I tell you is that 191 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:06.799 tomorrow I will be flying to Obamaco, so I will have interaction with your 192 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.640 authorities and maybe these matters can be raised, but so as for now, 193 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:22.240 I cannot make any comment concerning the situation general situation in the region. Why 194 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:27.200 the militate comes by waves you this used to be a pattern until twenty thirty 195 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:33.960 years ago and now it's coming back. But the some of the initial initial 196 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:41.640 analysis, preliminary analysis, this associates also with the deaths of a governors or 197 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:52.119 in sometimes but also on the maybe CONTACTO effects when things happened when Canto might 198 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.799 happen with Canton. But I want to be caious cautious with that because this 199 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.480 are just preliminary things. They are not Fairman status as far as I know 200 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.799 on the East Country is different. Yeah, so, but this is a 201 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:12.599 phenomenon we have to look at. What is clear is that they as wants 202 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:19.640 these two come to a stop. Okay, Josie lineback, Thanks very much. 203 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:27.079 I wanted to find out one exactly this week long uh negotiation begins. 204 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:32.839 Is it today as of today? And also you mentioned that some countries in 205 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:38.160 Ecowas would be willing to intervene militarily. Which countries are they and do they 206 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:45.880 include chair? Thanks well about you. When the Saturday the designed took place 207 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:55.240 last Sunday, so the end of the time frame given it's next Sunday. 208 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.880 So and on country, I didn't say that the as some cancers, which 209 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.759 way I said the organization might side is willing to intervene in militarily, but 210 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:11.400 not singling out individual countries, but the organization itself. Okay, if I 211 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.400 may follow up, So which countries in the organization have expressed interest in intervening 212 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:23.319 militarily? Thanks, well, they discussed the situation, they approved a communicate. 213 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.759 This is or what the h I can say, but not individual concers. 214 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.000 Okay, I will not be appropriate for me to say this. Councer 215 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.559 said that that cancers said no, this will not be appropriate for nature. 216 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:42.720 Yeah. Joe Klein of Canada Free Press. At the summit meeting that you 217 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:48.720 mentioned the ECO as summit meeting um and in the context of discussing possible military 218 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:56.279 intervention, Uh, did the subject of the mercenaries and particularly the Wagner group 219 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:06.119 come up? Because where the group is increasing it's involvement in a number of 220 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:14.839 the Sahill countries, and I believe has some presence um in Nigera. Yeah 221 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:22.720 that what yeah? Yeah? Please please whoever else has their microphone out shut 222 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:33.720 it down. Okay, all right, okay, so okay now uh mister 223 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.359 Shanta Sama, can you repeat what you were saying? Sorry, someone else 224 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:41.319 had a microphone on over to you. That group was not discussing the samog 225 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.759 okay uh. And then last question, I know, I know you have 226 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:51.720 to head out to Evelyn over to you. Thank you for a hand. 227 00:28:52.319 --> 00:29:00.400 Evelyn Leopold Globe Product Media. UM looking at the long range problems in the 228 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:07.599 Sahle, it seems that they get military help from all sorts of countries when 229 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:15.839 they need it. They get humanitarian help from the United invasions and from other 230 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:22.119 NGOs, which is fine, but it's a band aid. And is there 231 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:27.960 any thought given to having real economic help such as schools to educate all the 232 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.799 young people so they don't all drift to Europe and become migrants, and other 233 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:40.720 programs that even a military would agree to if it would. I'm just wondering 234 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.079 if this is something the UN had planned or thought about and so forth, 235 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:59.519 well, then push is to have her humanitarian development and security interventions are all 236 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:11.480 combined, because without security there is no sustainable development. You build something today 237 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.400 tomorrow is want to be destroyed. But at the same time, it's important 238 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.799 to provide short term a relief to the populations and need you have a displacement 239 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:27.240 of populations. The number of refugees is increasingly in the region. So all 240 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:37.079 these three xs have to be dealt with almost simultaneously. But security through to 241 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:44.720 bring security is paramount. Thank you, Okay, thanks very much, and 242 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.079 like once again to thank our guest, the Special Representative for West African this 243 00:30:49.359 --> 00:31:07.200 health all right, thank you for listening today. A final thought, when 244 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:17.920 disease rises and food becomes scarce, people will start to become scared and it 245 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:32.160 allows a boiling pot for coups, violence, counter military attacks. And what 246 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.240 needs to happen is, you know, people in charge, the governments and 247 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:44.359 everything need to listen to what the people are saying and hear what their needs 248 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:56.599 are. Sometimes the glossing over because of a dictatorship puts people at risk for 249 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:07.240 starvation and disease. And if the governments aren't aren't asking, aren't asking the 250 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:14.680 right questions and aren't listening to the answers, then the government isn't doing the 251 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:22.079 job it's supposed to do for the people. So just something to think about 252 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:30.680 and as we as as we move forward, with our with our own government 253 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:37.720 here in either most of you are listening from either Canada or the United States, 254 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:44.319 and say, it's the government really listening, And how do we get 255 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:52.359 them to listen before things hit a critical point where violent protests starts to happen. 256 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.559 You know, maybe we're not as much at risk of a coup, 257 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:06.759 but we don't need to have anything violent happened. And how do we make 258 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:14.440 the government listen before those sort of problems that actually happen. So click that 259 00:33:14.559 --> 00:34:07.480 subscribe button wherever you are and get continued updates from us. The show has 260 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.440 been produced by Depictions Media. 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