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It's the Giant bobcast. What's today? Somebody held the outday Tuesday seventeen,
twenty eight days to three. Oh god, I don't know. Yah,
punning that out there, jerk. There's a there's a monitor in the
engineering pit that has a literal countdown with a volcano about to erupt in the
background. It's just it's gonna burst forth a bunch of salty tears and sweat
and blood and other fluids. It's gonna be great, but accumulate in the
run up to E three is fun. It's all right. I like you
three a lot. It's the happiest place on her Brad Shoemaker Danny old wires
here, Hey, what's up? Thanks for having me second happiest place on
earth. Yes, Ireland Dance. Do you want to come to the Odwire
Nation? What do you got there? It's a new convention I'm putting on.
Yeah. It's between kind of funny live and twitch con O'dwire Nation.
Get your tickets now. It's just getting drunk in a pub. Okay,
okay, so cool. It's gonna be corn beefs there. That's like an
American thing. How it's like, what wait, really, corn beef hash
is not an Ireland It's just so good. Sure, it's it's like not
that good. It's corn to beef. It's corning like something you do to
the beef, Like it's corn a verb in this instance? Or is it
corn and beef? What is corn to me? Like you put it in
a husker or what it's like ruining it? It's delicious. This is how
do you corn? Something is a complete guess. But does it involve peppercorns?
Maybe? Maybe it doesn't have that sort of texture. Oh like those
little peppers in there. Yeah, okay, I think it's what you do.
It's a parts of the caddy you wouldn't otherwise ease to make it at
it. That's it kind of comes off to me as I'm not a big
fan of corn beef. That's so good. I love it. Give me
a nice it's spam esque, Yes you had I've never had spam or corn.
What but their meat? You love meat? I get real meat.
I don't get to be out of a can for once. I'm out of
my McDonald cannot I'm on his side for once. I cannot agree with Master
read corn beef is definitely real neat. Also, spam massubi is the way
to have spam. Ye, spam? What massoubi? What does that mean?
Is that like a susi Japanese preparation. Yeah, you basically make sushi
out of spam. It's basically spam sushi. You could get it at any
seven eleven in Japan and it's amazing. Oh wow. Okay. And and
in Hawaii it's all over the place. Yeah, put it with some rice,
roll it up with some some seaweed. Okay, it's it's not all
right, some some sesames seeds. A you're gonna get that in Hawaii?
Oh maybe? Yeah, yeah, you're going Hawaii. I'm going Hawaii.
Maori what whoa? Man? That's right Tomori. That's how they say it
in Hawaii. Yeah, that much Hawaii? Do you speak? I just
realize that I didn't know what I was trying to take a guess, take
a guess, but like, it's what what do they called the language?
It's aloha? And you know, take a guess of what the language is
called. Yeah, it's not Hawaiian Eese, is it? Hang on?
Hang on? I'm not trying to be stupid. Here. I'm trying to
think there is this is great. I don't there's a drink that could help
you out here? Oh oh the fucking Hawaiian punch. Oh Hawaiian? What
did I say? Wait? What the fuck did I say? Said?
Hawaii? Do you speak Hawaii? I think I was trying to say,
like Hawaiian eese or something? Did say I know Hawaiian? Yeah? Sorry,
I don't know what the fuck happened there. Hawaiian. Yes, I'm
familiar with that word. I know Aloha, right, I know aloha right
right, that's two things. Mahalow okay, mahalo is melee khaliki maka okay
ohana man one. Yeah. In some territories, okay, what's what's what
did you say? Like family, it's okay? Iwo jima, that's that's
not at all completely different party in island midway, Yeah, yepal sure,
man. Everybody getting hell out of here this week? Yeah, Jeff,
Jeff is off doing E three things free, E three things I should say
he's doing. Yeah, Rory's bouncing something. I don't know, Rory skip
town. You're getting out of here? Yes, man, it's just gonna
come here. This is yeah, it'd be me Dan Rager, Jay's Nace
Dragger. They're putting out a bunch of hit Man DLC. It would be
great. I gotta have something to do. Yeah, we only got one
shot at that last one and it didn't go so well. Kill the guy.
That's true. You really screwed it up after that target. Die.
That's all that matters. How's it going, Danny, It's gone good.
Yeah. I had a great weekend. It was really sunny, and I
spent all day in a room trying to make it as dark as possible.
That's exactly what I did too. It's a great way to go. I
felt like I was fourteen all over again. It's like a so good,
gorgeous day outside and here I am being a total dirt eye. I like
just playing this hell shooter game. Do you have blackout curtains? No?
I do not, hon just treat yourself. I don't want to do that.
Black blackout curtains are a gift that you give tears. That's like that,
that's too close to like college down, that's too close to like Wall
the War Cross like it's like a classy way to make it. Titch Black
at twelve in the afternoon classy supposed to like as opposed to like putting tinfoil
or cardboard up on the windows. Oh, I get the cartains for at
least they're actually curtains. Okay, terrible. Yeah, my cats would freak
out. That would be too much. Cats like it in the dark,
Yeah, but not when it's like perpetually dark, and then they are in
hell. They might as well be playing Doom themselves. Yeah, yeah,
doom. I hear that's good. Yeah, you want to jump right in.
We keep playing. It is so fucking good. I cannot believe how
good is Yeah. Pause for me, still look quite used to that yet.
My favorite part of the past couple of episodes is you guys reacting to
it. It's so weird. I think like some of these guys had like
forgotten that there ever was segment music, or like I think Dan said he
had never heard it before. No. Never, I don't think Dan's listened
to the podcast. I don't listen to any podcast never have. That's fair.
I will not hold that against you. It's a big commitment. Yeah,
I'd like to commend you, Brad on your audio mixing for the for
the ads. Oh yeah, yeah, I think It's really good. The
way that the music comes in, It's just the right level and yeah,
little fade in some auto ducking. Yeah, I was thinking I might buy
a mattress. Really that effective nice. Some smooth jazz on there this week,
dude, is good enough that I wasn't mad that I had to restart
the whole game twice. I don't know what was going on with you.
Yeah, but that's actually reached out to me after I tweeted about it.
It's thought I was in developer mode or had enabled cheats or something which I
had not opened up a console or anything. Uh. Yeah, sorry,
that's what I do. I'm a great hacker. No, but does that
seems to think it's because my girlfriend was playing on her Steam account on the
same machine and somehow like her file was showing up a slot two and mine
was slot one, even though it was on different Steam accounts, and somehow
that made something weird and it flagged them as cheating. And so yeah,
it says like, oh, you can start this file right now, but
everything you do is going to be flagged. Any snap map stuff you do,
you know, like you're not gonna be able to get the achievements or
whatever, and the only solution, it seemed was like I uninstalled the game
completely, reinstalled it. I played another couple of chapters again for the second
time, and then got the error again and then had to do all that
bullshit again to leap my saves with two different folder and all this stuff,
and but hears that I can do it now, right, so like it's
just the same. I'm going now, it is just the same. I
had the same, Like the first thing I will look like the second thing
I did Friday morning after you come out was pulled the console down and type
in god, because why wouldn't you did? I didn't try that one.
I mean their achievement names, Like there's an IDKFA achievement names. One of
their achievements is called IPX setup dot exc's so good, and I feel like
that embodies like everything about the spirit of this game, like it is.
It is really such a sublime throwback to the first two Doom games, but
also like incredibly modern in like a way that I didn't think it's software head
in them. This game has like no right being as good as I'm like,
I can't fathom like the bizarre run up to this thing like like working
backwards, like you know, most recently it was they're not sending out review
copies, like that's the bad stuff. And then multiplayer Beata was like,
oh, you guys are making like a Halo thing for the multiplayer was not
amazing, and like, you know, walking back a couple of years,
it's like, you know, all their big names have gone totally. I
mean even when you think about the trailers that were shown for this game.
Yeah, the gameplay stuff demanded backlash, there was to the glory kills.
There still are, you know, even post release, there's been major bad
I've seen a ton of people laying about that. Oh yeah, I mean
I am. I am as big a doom purist as you can find,
and like, I feel like it fits this gamely. I love of the
gameplay and it like especially because you can speed them up to like three x
or oh you can't. Yeah, is that just a setting? No,
it's a ruin that. Yeah, there's a ruin that. Oh no shit,
Oh that's cool. No, No, I want to say that.
I think they are super super cool. I like them a lot. Another
thing that you may not notice is, well, so the glory kills of
people haven't played it, or the kind of the canned animation mainly executions that
you do when you like whittle a guy's health down or whatever. But they
have gameplay benefit because they drop health, you know, and like health is
up and down like crazy in this game, like enemy attacks do a lot
of damage, which is like a one of the many ways in which they
have sort of modernized. I don't even want to say modernized, because what
we're sort of used to with games like this or just modern games across the
boar would be it like a new Doom or a new tomb Raider or a
news or Thief or whatever is that you you get these old games that are
they make the game for the sort of modern version of what that is in
the genre, right, and then they take sort of staples from that old
game and inserted into a modern game, right. And that's kind of what
like Doom three was in a way. It was like, okay, first
person shooters in aay sort of linear you know, atmospheric games like Half Life
and Half Life too, So we're gonna we're gonna make like a Doom version
of that, right, And that's what kind of Wolfenstein was as well,
which is like, Okay, we're gonna make a greedy, bombastic first person
shooter, but it's gonna have all the sort of Wolfen signed tropes in there,
and it was a fun game. We're really good guns and stuff.
But what Doom is is almost like the inverse of that were. What they've
done is they've taken the Doom classic games of old and they have solved the
problems that we're in there using modern gameplay mechanics. So in a way this
feels like like down to like the way the flow it has feels so much
like it to the point where it last night, I remember, you know,
there's a certain stage where there are just red barrels everywhere, and I
was avoiding red barrels and I was like, I haven't avoided red barrels since
Doom one and two, like that's in here, or I haven't like gotten
lost in a map and had to go back to the stupid wireframe thing,
or I haven't like searched forever for a yellow key. And it turns out
all that stuff within the confines of this game is as fun as it was
to all of those years ago, and I don't know how they did it.
Yeah, I feel like I feel like I'm playing this going like this
has been as good as it was twenty years ago. All this time and
nobody was doing this well. I think the maps are a huge part of
it, because those maps are great and kind of sprawling and a lot of
again they're complicated, like the paths overlap each other if you have to go
to the map and think about where to go in a lot of cases,
and then and the map itself is actually it conveys a lot of information cleanly.
You know, it's pretty easy to tell where you are and where things
are above you or below you. Yeah, even though you get you get
some levels where there are like five levels to the terrain that's stacked on top
of each other in the map initially is just like I can't parse this,
but like it's actually super easy to pop in and out and like look around
and trying to figure out how to get the secrets and stuff like that.
It's like fun to explore a first person game, which I can't. Like,
I feel like I'm so burnt down on first person games that they're playing
them for twenty years or whatever that like it's so surprising to play a game
like this and actually, like it was one stage, I was just lost
for fifteen minutes trying to find my way into a place, and it was
fun. There's something pleasant about it. It's because you've gotten so used to
super linear first person shooters in the last couple of generations. And also it
is to feel open is incredible. Also it was telegraphing things to you,
right, yelling to think at all, right, there's there are no NPCs
will follow over their head in this game, you know. Yeah, and
like and and in those games, like as as much as their linear,
like you're also just doing one thing, you know, just shooting everything that
gets in front of you until you get to the next story beat. You
know, Like this game has backtracking, It has moments of like quiet,
yeah, you know when you've killed everything and you're just looking around the secrets
are trying to figure out where to go next. Really well hidden secrets too.
Yeah, they are really fun to get to, like navigating the environment
and like really beneficial secrets as well. So it's not just like collecting dolls
or whatever so you can unlock you know, stuff for for multiplayer or whatever.
But uh, yeah, more importantly, it's like weapon upgrades. Yeah,
like they're there are like upgrade systems on upgrade systems in this game.
Like it's crazy and it seems like maybe too dense at first, but it
all feeds back into like what you're doing and feels really good. Yeah,
it's it's like which were used to upgrade systems adding such a piecemeal bullshits and
so many whereas this feels like, you know, a way like Unreal tournaments,
probably more so than than Doom or Quake. All those guns had like
alternate fire modes that you're basically just unlocking alternate fire modes for all these games,
and they're like just like those old games, they're awesome. Yeah,
and and and the challenges to further upgrade all that stuff are like things that
you have to think about and like strain to do. You know. It's
like I gotta th that was like like you can stick these little rockets like
the old fire and the machine gun. It's like you can stick these little
rockets, guys. And the challenge to get the like mastery unlock on that
thing was like successfully stick four imps in five seconds and kill them with those
girls. Like it's hard stuff, you know. It's like really thoughtful challenges
like having to like lure a hell night over next to a ledge get through
the week there, and they do the death from Above swing. So with
the glory kills, I didn't realize that there's like it seems like there must
be at least six or eight different animations for each enemy because on what side
you're coming from. So it's like all like all four sides like overhead,
like if you actually duck down and hit them in the leg, it'll do
a different Like they're really Yeah, there's tons of them. It's also all
the chainsaw kills, which are great. Yeah, that's when they just put
their hands up in an X to try to block it. It's like,
fuck you, I'm just sawing right through your arms. Yeah, Like you
know, the kind of the viscera of the melee stuff is fine upfront,
but like what it serves in a gameplay sense is what actually makes it valuable
to me. Yeah. Yeah, Like there's a huge risk reward of like,
well I staggered that guy, Do I run in there and try to
get the health when there's like ko demons on either side of It's just shooting
stuff is so much fun. Yeah, and the glory kills keep you in
there and don't. It's that whole problem with the early games where you were
constantly looking over your shoulder to where the nearest manufact was. And they do
have manifacts littered around the arena which help out, but you know you're because
the next glory killing you do, we'll give you that a little bit more
health. And what I like about the difficulties is that the higher difficulty you
go with, the less health you get off one of these guys. And
it's constantly, like like you said, it's like your your health is like
a heartbeast. It's just like jumping up and down and you're hoping by the
end of the last enemy is falling that you're still standing there. But if
you're not, unlike so many other first person shooters, jumping back into that
arena is like super super fun. It just depends that, like whether it's
still fun after like eight hours, hours, ten hours. That's why it
didn't bug me that much when I had to restart. It's like, well,
you know, if I had to watch some like fifteen minute opening cinematic
and then go through a bunch of slow, bullshit tutorial stuff, I would
hate it. But no, that game starts right away. First five minutes
of that game are Yeah, maybe the best first five minutes I've ever seen
in the video game. It doesn't wait, fie crazy what they did with
this game, like, especially after Doom three took itself like overly seriously,
Like this game's got the perfect amount of reverence for its own bullshit, you
know. Yeah, Like I'm just it's it's in the intro, so I'm
just gonna say it. But like what they do with the Doom Guy and
this thing is fucking hilarious because they frame him as this like this divine crusader,
you know, this like this like avenger that's like you know, like
exacting justice on all these demons or whatever. You know, Like you wake
up in this like inscribed stone sarcophagus and you step out. I guess you
haven't even seen this. That's that's the opening scene of the game. You
like, like you like sit up on this stone sarcophagus and kill some shit.
Walk in the other room and there's the Doom Guy armor like enshrined in
candles and pentagrams and all this ship. When you're seeing holograms of people like
bowing and worshiping to your tomb and stuff. God, Like they take the
the ultimate generic video game protagonist, Like he's so generic that all anybody ever
called him was Doom guy, and they and they build this insane tongue in
cheek mythology that is so awesome. It is incredible, Like they lawed him
as a demigod almost like the you know video game culture has and then has.
Like my favorite thing was to the right of him is this like perfect
Doom three esque screen which you see a lot of in this game, which
says like in Hell Invasion, yeah, like like demonic Invasion, yes,
perfect. The writing is so ridiculous, yeah, unsaved, which I love
because that implies that there's a same level of Demonic Invasion. I just hit
a little little story beat kind of thing where you know, you get the
little after images, the little holograms or like here's what happened, and here's
where the echoes or whatever. He's probably what you need to do next.
Like there was a scene of a demon like dragging a corpse off and the
computer AI voice comes in and it says that demon took your key card.
You should go get it. What Uh, it's man, it's so crazy.
So how much have you played? Because I'm on the level seven or
eight, I forget, like I'm I'm taking way longer than I should get
through it because I'm playing on ultra violence, which seems like the way to
play, Like that's it's it's fucking hard. Yeah, I mean, you
know it's not unmanageable, but you'll die a few times a level. Uh.
And also like just I'm obsessively going after every secret in every level,
like it's so much fun to try to sing out. Like it's weird because
one of the first suit upgrades you can get is a thing that just marks
every secret on your map. You know, it's like, well that's within
a radius, well yeah, near it fortal market for you. But like
initially it seems like, oh, that's just gonna lead me by to the
nose to everything there is to get, but like it turns out knowing where
those things are doesn't really help because it's actually figuring out how to navigate the
environment. And like, okay, what what weird unconventional series of like climbing
or platforming or like what switch do I need to find before I can actually
get to like security station? You have to like power down stuff. It's
it's almost like little level design puzzles like wow, this didn't look like a
jump I could make, but like I actually there's a room you get that
gives you a ton of air control right on the double jump, like after
your second jump, because you get a double jump at some point, and
then when you get this room equipped, you could pretty much strafe in mid
air or the double jump. You can like like move completely to the like
like really juke over to the left and stuff. And then they start throwing
secrets at where you at you where you like have to do that's awesome.
You have to like hit a bounce pad, fly across a chasm and then
like sort of juke left in mid air into a little cave to get a
secret and stuff like it's it's super satisfying or any of those abilities like something
that you would have to use in the earlier levels. Like you mentioned backtracking
before, but it's like can I get these during one play through? Yeah,
you can go back. You can. Yeah, you can get them
all up front, but you can also go back if you the levels are
isolated, but you can go back to MISSIONSSI Okay, yeah, but they
don't force you to. It's not like you need that that double jump in
order to to get some stuff, and like Metroidy like that, it's gotcha.
Yeah, I've I've finished every level with like one hundred percent of the
stuff finished in that level. Awesome. When I moved on, man,
it's just it plays so well, Like the combat is so much fun,
Like it's so nimble and motible. It's like, what you weren't supposed to
be that good, dude? What the hell? The multiplayer stuff and everybody
was lukewarmed to it and then it's like, well, single players probably just
like all the hallmarks of a game that would have had trouble, Like this
game has been stopped and started how many times? I mean it'd have done
this with I mean Quake four. I feel like it's still having recovers from
Quake four like this kind even like the I forgot the John's game. But
the guy who was in charge of this to creative lead was also the lead
on Quake Live, Marty Marty Stratton. Yeah, so I was super surprised
to see that he was involved in this because, like my fear was like
if you go way back in the history of the Studio, Like I think
Quake three is the last thing they did that was universally agreed upon as like
this is amazing, right, like like Team Arena was the expansion for that
and nobody like that. Yeah, Doom three like very divisive game. Rage,
same thing, Like a lot of people are pretty down on Rage and
that's all they've put out for the last like fifteen years. Right, So
and then to see like oh John Carmack left and all these other people left
that were there back in the day. I mean Wolfenstein didn't even come anted
him, right, what I means right? That was that was machine so
like like it felt like just everything was working against this game being and like
setting aside, like how seminal like Doom and Quake are like the part of
me he wants to say, this is like the best thing they've ever done,
Like it's it is crazy how how well put together it is. How
do you think you do that? Like when you want to introduce something to
to your new Doom game, like weapon upgrades? Yeah yeah, like h
Doom doesn't have that and freak out on its face. That sounds terrible,
right, Yeah, Like like a Doom game where you have to upgrade all
your weapons, But I don't know. Somehow they make it work. They
just make it fit into the like the combat framework and the way the levels
flow. It seems like they have a very strong and I haven't played the
game, but it's from hearing you guys talk about it, it seems like
the developers have a very strong idea of what the character of doing that is.
So I read Time, or I think it was Time that did an
interview with Marty Stratton, like like you said, the code and the code
director, I think, And so I don't know if you've seen, like
this game was in development for like eight years, like they basically had a
big part of a game that they completely flushed down the toilet and he talks
about that stuff, and some of that footage got out, and if you
guys have seen in, it basically looks like of Duty with demons, like
it's on Earth. Yeah, it's on Earth. It's like it's all it's
all brown and beige looking and with like aim down sits and like your protagonist
just looks like a modern military type person. And yeah, they made most
of that game and the gretty reboot right Doom right, and then like three
years ago. He said. They stepped back and looked at it and they
were like, well, this is okay, but it's not doom. So
they flushed it. Oh that's beautiful, and then like it literally sounds like
they just sat down and said, like, all right, what are the
tenants of doom? Like what does it need to have so be good and
be doom? And it's just like, you know, make it fast,
like the guns awesome and fun and like you know, you don't have to
reload and pam yeah yeah, yeah. Like I think that that alone is
just like that embodies like there's no recharging health right right, Like yeah,
it's like health packs and no reloading. Like it's just a like I feel
like the you're gonna be putting on a weapon off grades forever by accidents with
the arbut no constantly. But that's like that's an interesting thing, right,
is that they decide, Okay, we're not gonna have matic facts or we're
not gonna have regenerating health. But like, how do you make a game
in twenty sixteen with that regenerating health? Because I think if you make a
game where you're hunting from medipax all the time, you're going to run into
the same problem that like so many games to try and be that close to
what their original source material was. Is that Like it's great for the people
who are having this wonderful nostalgic throwback, but it's not really that right,
Like hell up to solve a problem, right, So like, so how
do you go back to that and not have the same problem? I mean,
and they fix so many problems with like creating that game for twenty sixteen,
Like even backtracking through old environments isn't really that fun. But because of
the mantling and because of all this crazy new motion stuff they've added to it,
they've taken the sort of I don't know the essence of what Doom is
and added in things which I mean, the original Doom didn't have a jump
on them at all. Right, so but they've count look up no,
right exactly, Like now it's crucial to look and kind of see what you
can mantle to. And there's a lot of there's a lot of really subtle
environmental touches. Like you'll notice they're green lights on just about everything that you
can mantle onto you, but but they don't jump out at you as like
here is the thing I need to press X or the space bar on.
You know. It's just it's just it's very subtle that it leads you around.
It's it's really affect. It's those nice nostalgic touches, like the doors.
Some of the doors make the exact same noise. There's a lot of
sound work in there. There's a lot of like the kike emons, like
when you hit him with a rocket and make the same little weird, little
croaking kind of screech sound like the funko pop things and they go. There's
there's a lot of really good sound design in the I Love with later on
and you're with your rifle when you're shooting, it actually shoots like to the
beat of the music. Yes, it's like that intro like that he cocks
a shotgun at the same time, like in time with the intro music,
like they fucking they fucking late title card. It it's just like doom.
It's like pentagrams with fire and metal. And then he cocks the shotgun at
the end as like the final beat of the of the music, and he
punches he punches the elevator screen. Yeah, which is the end of every
Doom level is he punched the elevator all the times. It's so emblematic of
what Doom should be. Like you're you're like grandfatherly administrator comes in over the
radio. You're fucking Atlas figure. Yeah, chimes in saying like we're gonna
have to work together to solve this invasion. Just listen to me and do
what I say. He just fucking punches the radio out of the way.
It just walks off, and then he tries to give you that like orb
thing pretty early on. This is super important to take care of this crucible.
You're gonna have to remove the filters of this this like thing very slowly,
very careful kick and again all that stuff again like ties back into the
way that they like deify the Doom Marine and the course of the game as
this like mythic larger than life figure. It is incredible, like some of
the even some of the flavor text later on, just the little like diaries
that you pick up and stuff like that. Stuff is so dumb and it
knows it like it knows it, and it revels in how dumb it is.
It's incredible, even like the music is dumb, but in a great,
way great, it's good. Yeah, yeah, it's even perfect.
But even my girlfriend was sitting there saying, like, I would never listen
to this music, but it's so perfect for this specifically. Yeah, even
just like the atmospheric steff when you we're looking around for secrets, just that
slow like reverb in your head sounds really good. Yeah, totally totally get
a lot. Yeah, and then like like at the end of it all,
like just the the individual combat encounters are like some of the most tense
and exciting that I've played in a shooter in like a fucking decade. Like
that's bad. Like there's a good pacing, like there is that it's like
you get that left, you get that bad. Sure, Yeah, there's
a lot of up and down for sure. There's definitely times in between fighting
that you're like, you know, it's quiet, you're poking around looking for
secrets and stuff. But like, the enemies are so mobile in this game.
Like every enemy, even if it's like a big ass pinky demon that
looks like it should be moving around at five miles an hour or whatever,
like those things can jump like a story high and up up like effectively,
like every enemy in the game can follow you anywhere you go, and like
they do so very aggressively, like they're like I was reading in that interview
they had they had created that system for Rage where guys could kind of like
climb up and down on platforms and stuff. But I don't remember it standing
out and really being meaningful in that game. But I guess they look really
good. Yeah it looks neat, but it was just like, oh,
well, they're all just going to shoot at me with these hit scan rifles
anyway, like who cares. But with so many enemies in this game that
have like melee attacks or like projectile type stuff, like the way they move
around the environment means you can never just kind of post up behind a box
and shoot at it totally. Like it's so they're not like the cleverest things
in the world, but there's enough of them in there in enough variety,
and there's enough weapon variety. And also one of the brilliant things that's about
this game that again Harven's back to the older games, is that ammunition scar
scarcity, which hasn't existed in FBS games. I feel like for the longest
time, by the end of any of these encounters usually just you're down to
here. Oh shit, I have to use this gun. I hate using
Yeah, but you know, they're not the cleverest thing, but that sort
of rock, vapor scissors combat stuff. They don't need to be particularly clever,
Like it's just fun, like trying to get a bet of heights you're
away from some of the imps or whatever. Yeah, and they found ways
to make all those systems work. Like initially I saw that the chainsaw had
fuel on it. Yeah, fucking what good is a chainsaw that you can't
just use forever? But then it turns out, you know, like expending
chainsaw fuel guarantees you ammo pickups back, you know, so you're kind of
it's just like leap Frog and like, well, I'm out of gun Amo
now, I'm gonna whip out chainsaw and get gun ammo back and then I'll
have to find more chainsaw Ammo later. And it's just like it works,
and in a weird way, it's actually made the chainsaw viable, like piece
of tech, because in the original one, chainsaw was like, Okay,
I'll wait till I get like the damage boost or whatever, and then I
can go kill everything, whereas in this one it's actually a useful weapon.
It's not just like a joke. Wepp and like the Gauntlet in Quake three
or something. Should we talk about multiplayer? I haven't outside the quick like
I haven't even tried it. I haven't touched snap map or the multiplayer.
And like even if those things weren't even in this game, Like the campaign
alone is so strong, like I would recommend it without reservation to anybody who
wants to play a fun shooter, Like it's it's that good. But I
don't know. Have you have you gone online? Up? Yeah? I
played a bunch of Debate and I played last night maybe an I are a
multiplayer and it's it's like fine, It's like it's fine, Like that's the
thing. It's not like it's terrible. It's just doesn't feel a lot like
Doom to me, yeah, or Quake or any of those games that from
the id lineam characterized the Doom original multiplayer. Well that's the weird thing because
like Doom had four player multiplayer, but it was so rudimentary. It was
so primitive because it was like basically the birth of deathmatch, you know,
but all it was was just, oh, four players can run around on
the story maps and shoot each other with a rocket launcher, which of the
time was plenty, you know, but like Quake was the game where deathmatch
actually came into its own yeah in the I games. But then it's weird
because they integrate Quake things like the quad damage back into this game, and
it's just right is in this as well, but like you know, this
has load outs, like you're limited to two weapons at a time, Like
it feels like it's designed much more for people who were into like Call of
Duty and Halo and that kind of thing. And it's all team based stuff
as well. Right, every mode is a team based mode. Like it's
it's not it's not like offensively bad or anything. It's just not what I'm
looking for out of out of its software multiplayer game. But then I'm the
guy that would rather go set up a Quake server. I just played a
Quake one anyway, so I'm probably a weird outlier. But maybe they're working
on a Quake game. Yeah, Like so they didn't want to use all
those ideas on this one, so they use all then God doxy sounds really
good. That's the thing. Like it's it's it's so improbable that like you
know, Bethesa came in and bought it, and like they are two for
two now on rebooting classic ID franchises in like a brilliant way. Like I'd
never finished New Order the Wolfenstein game, but I played like half, probably
about half of it, and like that thing completely different kind of game than
than this New Doom game is, but like like a fantastic, like pitch
perfect modern re envisioning of Wolfenstein kind of thing. Yeah, it felt true
to the original but also felt like a modern game, right, and it
felt like a unique game. Yeah, frankly, yeah, you know,
it felt like I mean it basically felt like a Starberries game because so many
of those guys left Starberries still to make that, like it have those touches,
like their storytelling touches on it instead, and like stealth that actually worked.
Yeah, totally not not in Doom. No, no, no,
no no. The other thing to mention, I guess is that you're all
playing on PC. I'm guessing. Yeah, so I'm playing on PC two,
but obviously we had the PS four and Xbox One versions in here as
well. This game looks amazing, yeah, really even on even on that
like sixty frames a second. I mean they do this thing. It's a
very thing actually, where the textures sort of float in and out of quality,
like they don't have that pop like unreal engine stuff. But like sometimes
everyone's in a while age rice or like great, Yeah, I guess it's
probably closely too that, but it's solid at sixty. Yeah. I ended
up switching to PS four even though I wanted to. I would prefer to
play it on a mouse and keyboard, but my age and GPU couldn't hack
it all right, and those new cards need to come out already, but
you know, I needed to check out console for review stuff anyway, And
yeah, it fucking looks incredible, Like like it's it's really crazy to see
Uncharted four and this game come out in the same week and like like utterly
put the lie to the idea that we need new console hardware immediately. You
know. It's like, dude, these games, these consoles are just now
coming into their own and like really putting out some impressive looking stuff. Uh,
it's I am fucking flabbercast, right, this game came out as good
as it did. It had no right yeah to be this to be discod
and we're now talking. It's funny like you mentioned quake three, right,
like or Quake four or quake five, whatever it how they call us this
quake probably this day if they ended up doing that, like my my anticipation
for that has been totally reset over while it was a better week ago,
because I was like, I would have played and you probably would have been
the same rut. I would have played a Doom game like it would have
been fine. The nostalgia would have been enough. Yeah, But at the
same time, the expectations were low. The expectations were low. Everything was
working against this game being any good at all, much less like better than
I thought they were actually capable of thinking. And the thing that surprised me
the most is that not only was I sort of like an hour in like,
oh, this is the game they made, but like four hours later
I was I was getting increasingly impressed. But yeah, and I've talked to
Peter about it. He's reviewing it, and he's he's pretty he's completed a
single player. He says that like later on it sort of overstays its welcome
a little bit, and then the end has a really good crescendo. But
like I've already like played so much in this game, and I would happen
to go back and restart from the start on totally. It's I'm actually thinking
about doing that. Maybe, like when when I get a better video card,
I might do like a night They've even got like a kind of a
roguelike mode in there. There's rama, there is a Yeah, there is
a single death version of nightmare difficulty, which is higher than the one I'm
playing. Oh wow, where like I need to look it up. I
didn't read the description. If I remember an original Doom, nightmare meant your
health was always ticking down and you like constantly had to find health pickups to
stay alive. And I don't know if this has that, but but yeah,
like one death end you're done, it drops a skull yeah where you
are, and I think, yes, it will show you in the level
next time, if you do another run, you'll see where you died last
time. Yeah, it's it's really something. I have not been this impressed
with a single player first person shooter, and I can't tell you how long
I have it. Yeah, Like I'm not a big FPS guy, but
this is a totally that it sucks in Yeah, it's like it's like I
feel like some people like these games fine, and then then you know that's
totally fine. But like the serious stams of the world, you know,
like the Heart Reset, like you probably a Shadow Warrior, Like you can
think of all these games that like harken back to that era, you know,
and they're saying like, hey, we're an old school shooter, you
know, like they've always come like this close to doing it for me,
and I never quite get it or it never clicks for me, And like
it seems it just seems really appropriate that this is the one that finally totally
nailed that style of game in twenty sixteen. Probably do, Yeah, they
do. It is a guy will. It has earned the rices to caught
itself. Yeah it is right now. I am like dying to get out
of here and go and get back to it, like that's all I did
this weekend. Stopps okay too, Yeah, what exactly. It's a weird
thing. It's like it's like I think, Dan, you basically said it
was like a little big planet for Doom, right, Yeah, somebody's gonna
make a working calculating and it's kind of appropriate. Like I mean, we
saw some just real basic stuff that people would whip out in like a day
in Uh, we're shooting galleries and we're shooting galleries and stuff like that.
But like Danny, you said, you found a map that was like full
of musical instruments. Yeah, there was like a music maker. So the
maps you can have up to four people. I think they're all co op
no matter what. And they have a bunch of different archetypes from point to
point, like single player experiences or co op experiences, to like wave based
modes, to just like random soundboxes and one. So these aren't multiplayer maps
and not sorry no, okay, I think you could make like a Hord
mode kind of thing, right if you want to take I think you can
set people to like different colored teams so that maybe you can set up a
one v one v one v one. Ok I'm not sure, but most
of the archetypes are sort of allong the co op lines. But yeah,
I found I found a bunch of musical ones. I found one that was
just like straight up level Lord style like disco platforms with Funky Town playing rudimentally
in the background. And then I found this other one which was just a
co op one that had like almost like a big style keyboard in the front
that you had to activate by like pressing the US yeah. Yeah, And
then there was a drum machine in the corner which was like pulsating, and
I had like a four track drum machine. And then in the other corner
was just a massive cowbell button so I could just all make music together.
Yeah, so it's it's weird, like kud knows, you know, someone
will make one one eventually, and all somebody will do maps have already been
made as well. That's great, a head no idea. It was so
fully featured, I guess. Yeah. And the Snapam thing itself is it's
it's not that difficult to use. I made a single player level relatively simply.
I did the whole spawned like one hundred you know, red barrels and
a bunch of cacademons and see you have the framewory handle and it sounds fun.
But the one thing I'll say is that on Sunday, so we got
it on Thursday and on on Sunday, most of the popular and featured maps
were the same, So I'm not sure if people are really using it yet.
But like you know, like this first. Yeah, exactly like you,
Like Brad said, like this game, single player and owner is totally
worth the absolutely the thing that you should be there for. I did.
They said if they're doing like actual mods, like are they just gonna open
up? I asked them about dash and the sort of kg response was we're
hoping snap map will facilitate dash. That's the wrong answer. Yeah, So,
like Doom is basically the game that created mods, and they've been they've
sort of answered all the other questions with like the menu system has so many
things that fans would ask for, Like you can strip the hood out,
you can change the crosshairs, you can get rid of like the the glory
kill highlights. You can do so much. You can you can set that
the field of vision to one hundred and twenty if he wants as well,
which is totally the way to play at your fish eye on right. So
they have a lot in there. But yeah, he was very much like,
yeah, is there a Christmas Doom checkbox? Oh god, man,
I have been trying to find the Christmas Doom wade that I had when I
was like fourteen for a very long time, and I can't all they had
a little Santa hats on and they threw snowballs. Can you can you imagine
if like just on Christmas Day that just clicks over the saw God would be
so good. Like even not to not to just keep you know, harping
on this game, but like the little the little classic map interludes in every
in every level in this game, like are weirdly satisfying to get into,
even though like half of them don't even have enemies in them. That's kind
of weird. Yeah, but but yeah, like there's like a little snippet
of a classic Duom level in every map in this game, really, and
like and and you just literally open a door, a secret door and walk
in there. Yeah. So like being in this like lavishly detailed, like
twenty sixteen like beautiful looking game and looking through this door and just seeing Doom
the weirdest contrast of just like, man, look how far we've come in
twenty plus years. It's the same thing with Wolfenstein the new ones, where
it's like, oh, I'm looking up and down with this like perfectly detailed
gun, but it's these you know, blue chunky walls and these idiot guards.
It plays a check in on the ground. Yeah, it's a it's
a very good game. You should play it. Yeah, there's a lot
of goofy like these dregs in there as well. Yea yeah, I feel
yeah, like, oh, there is a skyri at easter egg of of
a sort that you can find. I will let you guess which one it
is. It's the worst one, yeah, but oh really, oh god,
but most of them, most of them are pretty good. Like there's
there's some like yes, oh yeah, that one's pretty good. The sheer
number of people tweeting me that I had to die in the lava on the
foundry stage, I was like, Okay, I have a pretty good idea.
What happened here that fell in? It's alright, that ruined it for
you? Yeah, Like no one actually explicitly spoiled it for me, but
the number of people enthusiastically tweeting me, I was like, okay, this
can only be one yeah, yeah, and and again before we move on.
I just I can't stress how much my favorite thing about this, even
though it plays so well, is just how how little it takes itself seriously,
Like, yeah, how how tongue in cheek it is about its own
legacy, and like what they do with that is just brilliant. Dude.
There's a commander Keene Doll yeah in one of the levels. Yeah. Wow,
yeah, it's it's good stuff. That's all I played all weekend,
Drew. Yeah. Uh, but then I'm charged. Yeah. I also
a pretty good game. Yeah. Yes, how deep in are you chapter
eight or something? Okay, you're right around where it's really starting to pick
up. I think, yeah, I it's interesting. We were talking about
modern level design and leading you a certain way. I'm kind of having a
tough time with the level design, like I keep getting lost, uh and
just kind of frustrated. But it's like, I don't know, it's okay.
Uh, Like I'm okay with it just because it is so pretty to
look at me, you know. I hammer I oh, I'll jump this
way and I know I won't make it, but I'll die anyway and it'll
restart me and I'll I mean just in terms of like looking around the environment
and saying, like what is the next hand hold on the stuff like that.
It's it's interesting like that game, uh, Mirror's Edge to some extent,
Like when games do that, you start to rely on that and then
you like your brain loses the ability to solve problems. Yeah, so it
I kind of had the problem with The Last of Us, where I guess
this is sort of in the same ballpark of that feeling is in Enemy Encounters.
I was having a hard time because I was playing on a normal difficulty
and so I thought it was easy, and so I didn't take it as
slow as I could, and then I ended up dying a lot more than
when I bumped it up to hard and started taking my time a lot more.
So I'm just having some time to adjust, But I like the game
a lot. Yeah, I had kind of a similar experience with that thing,
where like the disconnect for me is that I stopped trying to think how
I would do something, and I start trying to think what do they want
me to do? Ye, Like what did the designer of this want to
lead me toward? And like that's a different question than just like how would
I approach this problem? You know, like it definitely leads to some dead
ends and stuff, But yeah, did you play through that? Yeah?
I tried to complete that and do them over the weekend and failed on both
agains because I kept jumping from one aga. Yeah, it's a good problem
to have. Yeah, I'm almost at the end, and yeah, this
is like I enjoyed the third first in action games. I'm not a huge,
huge fan like I enjoyed Arya. Two was was wonderful. Three he
was fine. I sort of banced out on it. But this is incredible.
It's weird, like since four came out, like this groundswell of hatred
for three has come out. Hatred. I remember when it first came out,
most people were disappointed that I talked. I was disappointed for sure.
I definitely see some people maybe they're lunatics here and there, like literally calling
that game garbage and stuff. You know, it's it's still that's just dumb
internet hyperbole. It's a really good game, but it makes me second guests
liking it at the time and thinking like you should go back and play it.
Maybe it really was a tree rick. It just didn't do much to
top two. You know, there wasn't any big step up really, I
didn't think the set pieces were as good. Didn't really do anything control or
gameplayer or certainly story wise. So yeah, and two was such a huge
step up that you know, you can't expect that every time. But then
Ford did that again. Yeah, yeah, just need a little bit of
time. I guess I finished four since last week's show stuff later in the
game. Super happy with gameplay wise? Is it like I kind of mentioned
my review that it kind of stays a little over lawn of that stuff,
Like, Yeah, it's pretty much exactly what you like. In fact,
I feel like almost everybody could agree on exactly which parts it is that are
superfluous. There's like there's like one firefight and one climbing sequence too many.
Yeah, and I think I think everybody could point it exactly which too.
I think I might be in the middle of that, right. Yeah,
Like it was very much like, oh, I thought it was going to
end this chapter, but there's actually two more chapters and it's more of that
stuff. And then, can I say, withouts spoiling anything, because we
talked about the wonderful the Easter eggs and Doom unshotted form may have the most
pitch perfect, brilliant Easter egg well I have ever exag I got a bone
to pick here. I know what part you're talking about, and it's awesome
because everyone said it on Twitter for a long time and it goes so deep.
What is one of the defining characteristics of an Easter egg. That okay,
that like it's hidden. Okay, yeah, one thing that you can't,
like, an integral part of the story that you can't skip past.
I see every don't think Easter eggs Easter egg but like Easter eggs early in
the game. No, it's early in the game. It's are we talking
about something different? Like? Okay, wait, if you haven't played un
chart at four and you don't want to know what this is, turn it
off. I'll turn this podcast off right now. Okay. All I'm gonna
say is how appropriate you fight like a cow? Fight like a cow?
What you any of you? Oh? No, the hell are you talking?
No? No, I am not talking about what you guys are talking
about what happens in the third chapter. Yes, are you talking? I'm
talking about the Monkey Island reference. Oh I didn't get that. Oh,
oh my god, I've ever played Monkey Island. Oh my god. Okay,
we're talking about totally difference. Okay, do you remember this is so
fast forward thirty seconds? If you haven't seen this, do you remember the
painting of the one pirate that they don't know who it is and he doesn't
recognize the monkey stage. Do you remember that that's guyber straightfoods? What?
Yes? Is it? But is it like a stylized like super realistic like
barroque painting looking and they keep going back to it, and like Nathan that
one says says, oh, that's the second biggest like temple I've ever seen,
which is that's the second big monkey head I've ever seen. And when
when you have actually find that another painting of him in that big room,
it's like gu and then it's burnt off the rest of that's crazy. That's
that's really good. Yeah, I had no idea. And he says,
oh, he looks younger than the other pilots are pirates, which is a
whole guy with it. It's and they keep bringing it off. That's amazing
as a massive monk out and find us like the best Yeah, as as
piratical as this game is, like that that that's super appropriate. That's that's
good stuff. Yeah, I am super glad to have played that game,
like the way they end it and then like end the series, you know,
yeah, saying like it was the last one, Like they do a
really good job with that stuff. I'm looking forward to that. I think
I have a a when it comes to story. I think I have a
high tolerance, yeah, for for games going crazy places, right. Uh.
I didn't mind the Blue Guys for example. Yeah, not saying it
was the best part, but whatever. Yeah. But I just I think,
like, just like The Last of Us, like this game ends in
the context of characters and how they end up and like, you know what
their development is like Yeah, right from a character standpoint, they end both
of those games extremely that's what they do the best. Yeah, absolutely,
Uh. Also done playing in Charted games. Yeah, I saw that they're
making single player dealc for that thing, and I'm like that story or what?
Yeah, that's I figured it has to be something in the vein of
Left Behind, because yeah, I don't know what. I have no idea
what else they would do. They killed it with left Behind, so yeah,
that's true. I mean, nothing was amazing and unexpected. I wonder
if it's like some you know, Sam backstory thing, like oh it was
this crazy Sam thing from ten years ago. Yeah. I just I find
like, like, generally, with a well written character, I don't need
to see a bunch of prequel stuff. You know. It's like, if
you do your job well, and you write the character and characterize them and
I get who they are, and I don't like, I don't need to
see what made Sam who he is because I feel like, what if what
if you could see dark Vader as a little kid? He built three?
Did you know that way? That explains everything? Yeah? I know,
that does explain a lot. And he got real sad. Yeah, he
was mad animals due, it's not it's not U and you've been playing anything
else just those two. Apart from those two, I guess the Overwatch beta
wrapped up last week? Yeah? Or is it should be known Overwatch because
that is a one to one for what the final release of that game is
as far as I know. Oh really? Oh yeah, that's it.
That's all the maps, that's all the heroes, that's all the game modes,
that's the whole ship. Okay, that's fine. I liked that game
a lot. Yeah. Watch is a fantastic game. Yeah, so how
you feeling about it? Because you didn't I didn't have a chance to play
this last beta, Okay. I was trying to power through Uncharted at that
time. Yea, I like it. It's it's really good. I mean,
it's that thing's well put together for sure, so many layers to it,
Like I feel like exploring all the other characters that Like, today they
released the Genji and Hanzo animated short, which looks amazing and like, now
I want to play both of them, Like I hardly ever play Hanso or
Genji is it isn't like hand animated. Have you seen any of these incredible
just it made me immediately think of the t F two shorts that they've done
in that in that style, yeah, very similar, like sort of Pixar
esque video game, like all of the characters within the levels that are in
the video game. But they're really good, Like I'm it's just their way
up, like trying to flesh out this universe, which you know it was
basically untouched via the games themselves. But it's cool. Yeah, there's like
a whole mmo there that was going to explain every these people are and stuff.
But I was just gonna say that, like, yeah, keeping with
the theme of this being a new better TF two. Yeah, so they
did new better shorts to go along. It's it's been interesting seeing the sort
of reaction to this, considering how much beta there was for the past six
months to see everyone get their hands on it. During the public beta,
was was really something else. They put out numbers they hit almost ten million
players. Bet what. Yeah, it's nuts. Whoa, it's crazy.
Granted it was free anybody to jump in, but yeah, you know it's
that you got us feel for Battle Born a little bit in terms of like
last time as well, like that's that's that's a rough one. Dan.
Dan gives no quarter. Really not not a good video game. It's no,
it's no Overwatch anyway. I mean they're different beasts, pretty different games.
But it does feel like that is now the first person that is going
to be like it's obvious now, I guess when when you look at it,
it like that's going to be the Heartstone, that's going to be the
World Warcraft, that's going to be the next big first person. I'm not
sure about the sport angle on it to people, barely honest, but in
terms of like just playable, like the ability it'll be that that Team Fortress
big game for like the next two or three years. It's one of those
great games that you can just turn on, hop in, yep, hop
out, And I think Heartstone is another one of those things so just play
one match and then I mean it turns into seventeen. I don't know.
We talk about this little bit too, Like, I it's great. This
is my like kind of just knee jerk sort of impression of this game.
But it seems like there are enough characters and enough like abilities that could synergize
well together. They're like in an esports context, like you know, building
an optimal team, like having heroes that work well off of each other,
like could be kind of a big thing. Yeah, I guess the one
thing I worry about is that like esport level skill usually imply usually like they
create like a widow Maker at an esport level with the same character could be
op in a way that like on a public server, they might not necessarily
like some of the stuff you can do with her with like grappling into the
air and firing from there. Like the high level play has gotten so good
at that, you know, if you're good enough to do that, right,
Yeah, maybe we're able to get that kind of play deserves to be
highlighted. Yeah, I guess I'm just not a fan. I'm not a
big esport watcher anyway, even in CS, which is which is a series.
I love playing st Yeah, I just I've never gotten into shooters specifically
as a resporting Like we've talked about that before. Like it's just something about
that perspective makes it hard to get a good sense of like what the overall
flow in the matches and kind of see things from the bird's eye view that
a moba affordsh Yeah, excited I forgot to come out, yeah real soon,
like yeah, two weeks I think we were talking about on on upf
Like what does Blizzard do after this? I mean like obviously it'll take all
the genres or done sports games, Like it'll take a while. You know,
it'll take a while to get this game settled. And obviously like they
support the shit out of their games for a very long period of time.
But like that's not gonna take the whole company. You know what if they
took over Watch and made an mml oh Man that seems like that idea hose
some legs. Yeah, I mean, maybe they do take another swipe at
it, Like, maybe they do take another swipe us. Like all they've
been doing is looking at like growth areas and then taking advantage of them,
right, Like the strategy stuff was kind of on the back of a bunch
of strategy games. Going back again when StarCraft hit, I think maybe Dablo
is probably just on its own, Like heart Zone was very much like looking
at a genre, it was ever expanding, Like it's kind of what Blizzard
does, right, Like they look at a thing and say we could do
that better, and then they come in and do it better. Yeah.
So I don't really know what's Yeah, what's the next natural fit? But
you would never have said that first person shooters were a natural fit totally apart.
Yeah, okay, all right, yep, blackthorn Wheel, Yep,
yep, point that shotgun right behind your head. We allow any rock and
roll racing while you're at it, yes, please? Yeah, an actual
one? Yeah? Do you ever played the Russian one that was? Yes?
I think we. I think Jeff played that on the site one time.
Yeah, so I think we look at that thing, right, was
it a quickly before they yanked it off Steam because were like Slen, Yeah,
yeah, that thing's ridiculous. Uh Dan, Yeah, you've been playing
anything that A lot of PACARSS three D in class Royale as usual. But
I also just bought until Dawn. Yes, I've never I've never played before.
A lot of people like it a lot. It's a really fun one
to play with a significant other. And Amazon had it for like half off,
so yeah, one ahead and bought it, and uh, starting that
tonight. So I'll give some impressions next week. Probably a big horror game,
are you Space Piece Terriff? Right of course? Of course, right.
I'm not a big horror movie guy. Horror games. I'm up for
anything, really, But I think just recently, you know, Bianc and
I played through Resident Evil the remake, and we love that so much and
like we want to do something like that again. So I've heard that Until
Dawn is another good one of those, and you know, past the controller
back and forth for you know, each character when they die or whatever.
So yeah, I have no idea what to expect going in. I heard
it's got Heavy Rain style action sequences. I like heavy Rain a lot.
I like things where choices matter, and I've heard that it is certainly the
case of this, So yeah, I've got than in like heavy Rain.
Yeah, like the decision, the decision feel like they matter a lot more
in this than they do. Cool, Okay, like Heavy Rain, it
felt like you're just kind of taking a box and then the story moves on
anyway and maybe something will change later, whereas like this game literally put down
the controller and heavy Rain and got the same outcut right right stuff. But
like the what can happen in Until Dawn branches dramatically, like in terms of
who lives and dies and what scenarios you see play out after cool and stuff.
It's it's yeah, yeah, I've got high hopes, so I'll start
that tonight. That's super good. I'm totally downloading Pocket Card Jockey for the
plane, are you? Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, wait,
that's the that's somebody somebody wrote in I don't know if this is true because
I tried to google it and couldn't find anything. But somebody said there is
a phone version of that in Japan, really, because we were talking about
that released. Yeah, I don't know if that'll actually come out here and
I'll see that totally working on phones, but what's it on? Yeah,
it's weird. I would like a phone version, Yeah, I would really
like one. It's a weird game. Horses and Saltaire. Okay, there
at last, Bucket Card Jackey, you're playing that also? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, that's pretty good. That's what fell in. Yeah, I
did, but I got rid of Clash Royale. I think I did.
Yes, I'm still clean. Man, you aggressively uninstalled that game. Still
clean. Come on up to Arena six. It's fun up here. I
also deleted that game over the weekend and then made it about twelve hours and
then reinstalled. Good man, good man. I didn't want to be the
last man standing here. All right, it's bad. I've got a pretty
good deck going right. Yeah, are you running? I got the Hog
got I got a Giant, I got Minion, Horde, Freeze. I'm
not doing Freeze. I got Fireball and Arrows, a lot of you know,
basic cards. I don't have any legendaries or anything. So good Yeah,
doing? All right. They're finally nursing Freeze, are they tomorrow?
I think this week? Yeah. The duration, yeah, it's gonna be
shorter durations. Okay, fuck that card. You should probably install it.
Yeah, you're right, you're right. It's a bad game for assholes.
Somebody somebody tweeted somebody tweeted to me about that game, and I'm paraphrasing here,
but they said something to the effect if I have never played a game
that made me want to do violence to other people. It's the fucking emote,
it is. The emotes are the worst thing, pretty bad and just
like you know, just the normal fucking pay to win bullshit. Like I
don't think I ever really had much fun playing Yeah, yeah, yeah,
totally. My My ratio of playing it to having fun with it is abysmal
and it's really bad. Like I hate almost every minute I spend with it.
It was super addicting and it's like, Okay, I'm getting an influx.
That's kind of cool, but man, this is overwhelming because all these
people have, you know, some much higher levels shit than me. But
it always keeps you right at that level of toward, Like you never feel
powerful. You never feel like, oh I just upgraded my Mini and Hord
to the level nine. Now when I fuck everyone up, it's like no.
Then it just gives you harder people and you get beat by assholes all
the time, over and over and it's the worst game. They laugh at
you the whole way. Yeah, fuck that game, how much? It's
great? Now we're talking, do you know what, do you know what
your dollar count is at? I'm probably I don't think i'll be spending much
more. I was gonna you don't think I feel like that's the upper bound
of good taste with this game. If you're gonna get much past that,
you're like, I think I'm done. I still have like forty five thousand
gold last me for a while, yea, and like thirteen hundred gems,
so I should be all right. Wow, it turns out it wasn't violent
video games after all that made our children. Yes, it was. It
was it was people paying money to be better at a game than you and
then laughing at yep, oh my god, fucking spamming the crying King of
mote as fast as possible as they beat you. Oh it's bad, It's
really bad. Yeah, bucket card h jockey. Yeah, that's that's fun.
I'm getting what was it? Eight dollars as bad as Dan made it
sound. No, okay, what all? No, it's not Look at
our quick look and look how what ship is in there? I know you
oversawd that, you but you, but you got to watch me explain that.
I had to just go through the text. I was not really watching
your I tune that out, like, but no, you admitted into your
but the gameplay and stuff you got to watch the gameplay, which when you
just start from scratch and it's trying to explain all this Gidey up meter and
unity power and all that stuff. It's throwing it out at you really fast
and without having a person explained to you, like Okay, here's what this
does and that does. I also maybe I'm just stupid because it was really
confusing for a really long time. But once you figure it out, it's
it makes sense. It's cool. Yeah, I didn't think it was that
bad. It's like, okay, you're you're simming like a horse race,
right, but mainly you're just playing Solitaire for the most part as fast as
possible. It's and the unity and power and the Guide up meter and the
mood and the comfort zone forecast and all that stuff that like, that's the
stuff that I was like, wait, if this was just Solitaire or like
one or two systems, I would give a comfort zone forecast like it points
forward or back. So it's like, okay, I want to beat forward
or back, so I'll draw in that direction. But what that means as
far as like okay, is a good thing and we want to be Yeah,
because you get more unity power in it right right, unity between.
But then you get more unity power if you rub the Gidea up meter when
the horse is in a good mood. Naturally, where do you rub the
horse and the Gidea up meter in the button? Where's that? It's in
the top right of the bottom screen, right next to rub it. You
should all be ashamed of this conversation. You Pokemon aspects. You can create
these, Yeah, yeah, because there's a growth mode. There's a growth
mode and a mature mode. And growth mode is when a horse is like
zero to two or three or four years old or whatever, and that's when
you're building up their stats and everything during while they're growing horses juice and then
yeah, and then you bring them into mature mode when they're not building up
their stats anymore. But you can try to like have them win a bunch
of awards and stuff before you retire them. And then you can breed your
horses like your best horses. You can try to get them to do stuff
and then to have a baby horse come out that we'll have good stats and
bread and characteristics from their parents, like oh, if it's a tight right
turn and I'm on the inside of the last whatever, I get more giddey
app unity or whatever. So giddey app unity makes the games it wasn't made
though, Yeah it's true. Yeah, actually yeah you put it that way.
Is there is there a ship to glue button or glue faggery button?
No? No, But do you think you can retire to tire? Okay,
you retired? Yes, go to the farm, send them off to
the pasture. Yeah, sure, it would surprise me. The game starts
with your your character getting trampled to death, right yeah, yeah. What
does the guy say, something like bad news, you're dead or something.
Yeah, like you wake up in the limbo basically, and it's like,
oh, yeah, you died. Okay, didn't expect that from the Solitaire
game. Pretty wild. I like, yeah, it's cool. I'm gonna
have to check that at some point, but yeah, not a lot of
time, baby and stuff. Kind of want to plan a charted kind of
don't like. I've kind of played that game an awful lot, yeah,
over the years, and it's it's a weird one because yeah, I like
to watch people play those games, not necessarily play them as much. I
watched two because I edited the video review and just recorded all the cinematics.
I do that from the main menu, had no interest in and charted before
that. But just watching the cinematics for that video review and then editing it,
I became an under fan. But you never actually played two. You
never actually played two. That's good stuff. Yeah he was a big deal.
Yeah, four is really good. I don't know that it's a big
deal in the same way, like just so much has changed since then,
so many other games have done similar things. One, three, three for
me is like, you know, it's a big, like you know,
action blockbuster, like a popcorn flick, and it never really drew me in
in that respect. And it sounds like four is taking a lot of cues
from like Last of Us, and you know there's a deeper character study,
more in a serious narrative. Does that sound yeah right, yeah, interesting
narrative. It's not just serious and nothing, you know, it's it's propulsive
like it really it's like a paid shurner. You know, it's exciting and
you really want to know what's gonna happ That's that's that's what I need.
That's what I'm looking for. It thinking that that's serious and you were going
to climb and climb and climb to get there, so shit to shit like
fall out from under my feet whenever, not once, not once. Yeah,
they actually really drilled it back on that one. Do I drive vehicles
and stuff? And is that really fun to do? Yeah? Okay,
why you don't think so? But I really I've never liked the vehicle part.
Just know this. When there are rock slides that you can slide down,
you can also slide across. Oh you will have to do that.
It does not make any sense. Yeah, you won't think that you'll be
able to do it, but you can do it. You can even you
can do it straight. Drake could do a lot of things that normal people
can't. Yeah, like ignore gravity. I'm writing down when he's got real
confidence in his hook rope ability. Yeah, extremely strong hands too, like
forty feet and just grab a rickety boarding fingertips of steel. Me. It
does make me want to like get good at rock climbing. Yeah, you'll
be just like Nathan Drake. Ye, the world's the world's greatest solocal timer
record for sure. Absolutely, him and Tom Cruise and Mission I possible to
All right, that's the that's the games we've been playing. I'm gonna go
sneak in five minutes of doom while will you take a quick break and we
will be right back. How the hell did I forget to talk about the
most important topic of the weekend? Clee he may m boo. Yep,
that's the one I play. That's not what I that's an animous fact.
That was not what I was. It's coming out on go on Thursday or
something. Anime fighters, dude, it's really good. It's like a non
traditional anime fighter. Yeah. Yeah, who's in it? Give me one
name I will recognize. Oh, I can't remember. I wish that's an
anime lady dude. She played in San Francisco not so long ago. She
didn't. She's not a real person. Is she flew in all the way
Japan? That's not true. On a concert. There is a fantastic post
on the Giant Bomb forums about a guy who went to ask concert in Texas.
I believe didn't she play the war Field? Here? Yes, played
the war Field? The war Field. I want one of the multi color
like uh tidy posters from like the seventies. Was Gucci was playing with her?
They're really good live. So I learned from this post that the music
is all live. It's only Miku and her vocal like friends. That's not
like what they did with the guerrillas, where they would have the like cartoon
things, but there was actually like an or whatever was back there saying,
except there's no one singing. Right, it's robots. It's just like Matt
Cross plus. Are you saying a robot camp sing? No? Perhaps what
robot wants to express itself creatively? Can drive cars? Yeah, robot race?
Wrong podcaster? No, sorry, the topic I had in mind.
Twinkle and Drew's eye. Oh I know, I think he knows where this
a tear coming from. We need we need our annual Eurovision report. Oh,
I believe I forgot to ask. I wish I could give you a
full, a fuller report, but I only saw about an hour. Yeah,
man, how what? How? What could be more pressing? I
had had birthdays to attend. Okay, I guess I guess that counts.
Yeah, why didn't you wanted to treat yourself on your birthday and hang out
and watch your a vision? Yeah? But yeah, yeah, scheduled things
before I knew this. Yeah, that's a shame. Anybody catch more.
I didn't watch any of them any so I can't, like, you know,
our internet was out like a Friday night and then most of Saturday morning,
and I'm so sorry. It was terrible because everybody was tweeting about your
vision and I'm like, I want to watch. But it finally came on
as the last act was wrapping up. But I got to see the highlights
And did you watch the voting round? I watched the voting round? How
did that? I heard it worked differently, I think so I watched it
last year, I think for the first time. Yeah, the same,
like straight up like American Idol style. Okay, I mean that that's my
reference because I'm a big American Idol American Janat justin timber Lake as well.
That was that was great. Wait did he play? I think he did
play. I didn't watch it. He was actually there. They like Israel
words of encouragement during the voting round to like all the participants. It's like,
okay, the first year that it aired in the United States, technically,
oh did it? Yea, I will go TV. I watched the
Swedish stream because I watched the Norwegian one. But yeah, like JT came
out with like fucking headphones that had JT on the Great Okay, watching a
line. No, he's uh. I think he's touring Europe to promote his
new movie Troll. Yeah, I think so. I think that's the reason
why they brought him there. Okay, anyway, but yeah, the voting
stuff was just like, you know, they play a clip and it's like,
okay, text this number for Norway. I don't know, and then
I'll the scame in anyving countries, but for Norway I probably probably. I
saw one screen grab of a guy who looked straight out of Castlevania, and
I was like, yep, but looking dude, god weirdal with the red
tunick and the long hair. He looked like it looked like a guy from
Lords of Shadow. You get at least one Castlevania character per your revision,
and I've got to watch that thing next year. Apparently there was a in
the semi finals naked man with a wolf. I saw, Yes, I
saw that. I saw fred grab of that too. I was intrigued.
I saw the cost player from Germany. She's like, ah, yes,
some of the costumes they're like really like extravagant, not to mention the production
value. My god, like it's really impressive. Yeah, it's fun to
watch you guys U. There's an animated gift going around of a crash zoom
that happened during Oh is there one of the performances of that like puts that
old Sony press conference to shame. Man, it's crazy. You should find
that Like that one's really impressive. That's the lower third day US as well.
Looked like the text from Dark Souls. So every time they like how
the new presson come up, it was like, oh, it's a new
boss because they just had crazy d and others. Yeah, well I got
I gotta watch that thing next year. Yeah, man, we said that
last year. I know every year and then there's something going on every like
we get a lot of requests to live stream, live stream it and and
uh yeah, which you can't. We can't do that. We can't rebroadcast
somebody stuff. We could do like a screening room like we used to do
with movies where we want to sync it up. It's like you can overlay
this yourself or whatever. Right, it also gets like all those different streams
are like, you know, there's weird delayed between all of them. Yeah,
that's the problem. But yeah, like we can only do that with
video game press conferences, because they were already promotional in nature, and it's
not like, you know, yeah, generally, man, I just want
to watch your revision. Yeah I don't want, I don't know, a
massive dinner. But this as somebody who grew up watching this stuff, this
has like totally jumped the shark. Like there used to be a sincere heart
beat which ran through this, which made it even more awful in that,
like you would watch the Eurovision and you were laughing at everyone else, but
you were proud of your own country and you were like you were like,
they're all stupid, weird Europeans doing their weird European thing, but our one,
our one's are like a real ballad and we're gonna win. Whereas like
like and everyone had that where like they hit, there was like a pride
in their own in their own act, and slowly but surely every country decided,
oh this is kind of terrible, and like started promoting silly acts.
So is it just who can out weird? Who know exactly? Now it's
just this ridiculous. Like when Lordy won, it was like okay, we've
we've we've you know, crossed the rubicon now this is just it was like
the Guara looking dudes from Yes, they were a real Baton or Norwegian.
Yeah, there were popular metal bands in Europe and probably metal circles over here.
So when they won, it was like, that's crazy. And at
one stage we put in a like a like a hand puppet of a turkey.
It was our entrance one year, but like that was at hand puffet
Dustin. Now Dustin is not a very like double person. Yeah, he
was used to host children's television but like Arlen one of for a couple of
years in the nineties, and like it was the genuine it was like winning
the World Cup. It was like a genuinely like prideful national moment. And
now it's just a circus freaks. Is it just too self aware? Now?
Is totally that's too bad? Yeah. The introduction a guy made whoever
was on stage m seeing made a joke about after this, now I can
eat carbs again, and then immediately started talking about war. Yeah. Well,
I mean the song that won was a Ukrainian song should be giving out
to Russia, right, Oh was that that I saw? I read an
article about that before the event that like like a lot of like the Russian
judges had already vowed to vote against her basically because it was like it was
very explicitly calling out, Yeah, it's something that happened. I believe in
the forties the song is called yeah sort of thing that one won. That's
okay. I think it was last year where two years ago when Russia it
was right after Russia like invaded the Ukraine and then the Russian contestant got massive
booze. Yes, but they I think they tried to hide it somehow.
I don't know. Chickens coming home to RUSI your origion is still weird enough
to me. Yeah, uh that I that. I still love it.
I'm just better because we're not winning anyway. Yeah, your time will come
back around. Missed the House Yon days of rock and roll kids and apparently
the river that the British commentary is is fabulous. But we have no way
of watching that over here. So sorry to everyone on Twitter who said you
should watch that. That's a shame you can't. Kay Walks next year for
sure your vision all right? He wants to hear about some news I do.
Let's do with the news I got, I got news, Okay,
Dammy knows. Yeah, every week, although I won't listen this week,
maybe I will maybe and hear how lovely you sounded, uh River last week,
like no tail, the ships a long time. Yeah, our lives
are just trickling away before our fight. I guess the breaking news, yes,
yes, at the very end of the last week's show, we barely
the bomb cast catches the breaking news before they stopped podcasting. That one.
Maybe not so much. It's it's a crapshoot, but yeah, we just
barely caught the full on cancelation of Disney Infinity like moments before ending the show
last week, so we kind of basically just knew it was being canceled and
that was it. That was all we had heard. So yeah, there
was there was an earnings uh call. I mean this, I don't even
know if we'd addressed that last week. I think that was part of the
initial kind of Twitter information that was going around. But Disney's earnings like they
missed their earnings target. They were now in overall and and Bob Iger kind
of got on the phone and not happy talked about that stuff. But that
was like overall, not necessarily for the Yeah, that's the whole company.
That's the whole company. But you know, I guess as a result of
that, they're looking to slash and burn and that was like, you know,
like such an aside project for them. Yeah wow, Well I think
I think it's just you know, it was like modestly prof able and not
like you know, the growth line that was just going straight up. So
that was not enough for them to to keep pumping money into it. But
like a bunch of information has come out about like oh, you know,
they they ordered way too many toys that ended up not selling. It was
like they made bad bets on how much manufacturing to do. Was it like
a you draw tablet things that was similar to the warehouse filled with things?
So one one Patrick Klevic at Kataku has written Yes of YouTube dot com that's
written, Uh, he wrote a pretty in depth story as he has want
to do about some of this stuff, and like, uh he talks about
like I just to head over to kotaography you want to read all the nitty
gritty details. But he talks about some crazy stuff with like not exactly in
fighting, but some kind of friction between different departments of Disney something like that.
Like that is a massive project, Like, not only do you have
the game and the toys, but you've got all these brands. Everyone has
to work together so well and this thing work. The crazy thing is they're
all part of the same company, and from the outside looking in, you're
just like, oh, why wouldn't that all just be puppydogs and roses?
You know, like apparently like the leadership at these different divisions has different ideas
about how these things should happen. Frozen people way too yes, yes,
such, yes, very chilly on this whole thing. You know, there's
some some examples in here of like, you know, kind of minor Marvel
characters getting shoved in at the insistence of Marvel, and like toys being manufactured
for those and nobody wanted those characters, so they didn't sell, so they
lost him a lot of money on plastic goods. There for the examples of
like which ones those were, uh, oh gosh, I'm looking forward in
this. I think they referenced the guy the blue the blue guy from Guardians
of the Galaxy. I'm trying to find his name that movie. I don't
remember a blue guy. What blue guy? He's he's kind of a side
character, I know, the Doctor Manhattan. I started, I started watching
I started watching that movie recently and didn't finish it. Now I feel like
a crazy person. The first one Galaxy. Okay, I think you and
Me are the only Marvel movies I've kind of like, I feel I feel
like everybody in the world is in love with Guardians Galaxy and just didn't it
fun. Ben Diesel is a tree. He was one of the better parts
of that movie. Actually, I feel like I feel like that thing is
a series of like the flattest one liners on on Earth. It was none
of the jokes that thing for me at all. Trader was really that's uh.
Fattista is good? Yeah? Who was who was he? Dave Batista?
I mean wrestler man or whatever they heard in tattoos, like the convicts
guy. Yeah, ok, yeah, what's his name? Shit, it's
a krock Knack or something. No, God, what the hell is his
name? Drags? Yeah, scracks. Yeah he was all right, I
was a wrestler. Oh yeah, I guess that makes sense anyway. You
know, like like they talk about like you know, you've got you've got
lucasfilm with Star Wars and Marvel with all their stuff and like Pixar and just
like the number of different properties in this thing was crazy, and we all
have a lot of good stuff going for them. So they feel like they
can drag, they can pull punches or pull their weight around, right,
I think they I think Hulk is another Uh let's see. Yeah. Yeah,
one of their sources said, I wanted, yes, I would buy
that one. Expectations for Hulk were so huge they produced two million toys.
Unfortunately, as the story went, they only ended up selling one million units.
So like they just basically ate a bunch of money on toys that didn't
move. And uh, he gets into a lot of detail about what was
in the pipeline for the stuff, sorry, and trying to find it.
So I'm sorry. Sorry. In fairness to the games, it always that
stuff always looked effortless from the consumers. Yeah, it looked like everyone was
working together to be on this like interesting project totally. But like the way
the story breaks it down though, like when you look at some of the
stuff they could have done and didn't write, like, it kind of makes
you realize how how much that affected the product. You know, they had
already come out and said there wasn't going to be a new boxed game this
year, like they were going to kind of take a year off and focus
on three point zero, which they had already put out. There were plans
for a bunch of Rogue one stuff, a Star Wars movie from the end
of this year. We're gonna make it in There were gardy wetted joint.
Yes. Yes, indeed they were working on a line of twelve inch figures
that we're gonna light up and stuff. No, not not feeling it so
much on compatible with they get like twelve Yeah, they would, they would.
I guess they would touch the portal and do stuff. Imagine a twelve
inch Well, I have Mega Yarnioshi. I have two Mega Yarnioshi's. It's
close to twelve inch. Okay. One box one that reminds me Beata Breakers
was this weekend too. I ran that. Oh how did that go?
Not as many old guy winers this last year, but still too many old
guy wainers. They're cracking down. I counted twenty six before nine am.
Did you yeah? Wait, were you just like on the route or did
you run it? And I didn't run it? Okay, I was observing,
just hanging out, Yeah, looking for winers. Looking for winters were
morning drinking. Oh yes, excellent barbecue, good stuff. You were barbecuing
while people were wieners were walking past. Hang on, wait, what do
you what do you grill at nine am? Sausages? Okay? Yeah,
sure, breakfast. I had the best thing because like that was that's an
early race. It starts at eight o'clock, so you're done and back home
and it's like eleven o'clock and I don't have to feel bad at all about
Like I'm gonna get a shiploaded taco bell and just play Doom the rest of
it, and I feel great about like I'm all sore. I did some
ship and I'm just playing Doom and eating tacos. Yeah, it's a pretty
good day. Yeah, solid. I wonder if you could wonder would you
like to make eggs on a grill, just like throw a skillet in there?
That's what you could do that? Yeah, yeah, kind of smoke
them a little bit. Sure, huh we do that camping breakfast grilling.
Yeah, that sounds all right. Or take a take a bunch of bloominum
foil, make a bowl out of it, and throw a bunch of chopped
potatoes in there. Uh, and then maybe maybe you could thrust some eggs
and some cheese in there and throw that on the grill. Yep, grilling's
pretty cool. Yeah, those figures are really nice, Like I actually like
collecting them. The games are not bad either. I like getting into that
toy box stuff whatever. But yeah, yeah, I'm really I'm really bummed.
Yeah, not only for you know, the game and like, you
know, the figures that I may or may not have been looking forward to,
but that was a that was a really good team of people as well.
Yeah, totally, And well you definitely won't like this next part then.
So, like I said, it sounds like Rogue one and the kind
of twelve inch figures were the big plan for this year, but they were
already working on Infinity four point over next year, and it sounds like the
big thing that was going to have that the series really always needed was a
story mode that would bring all those properties together, and that was that was
the hardest thing. Like we actually did an interview with A with JV and
I kind of asked them, you know, what's what's it like to work
with all these different ips, and like everybody you know wants their ips in
it. But they don't want them to interact, right, Uh, you
know they don't want you know, Ray from Star Wars hanging out with you
know, Elsa from That's exactly what the story says that, Like, yeah,
they were basically forbidden to have like a main story mode where you could
just like, especially if you've got a bunch of figures left over from the
old game and you can't take them into the main mode of the new game,
Like that's a like basically you could only take them into toy box,
which is not you know what, if Sorrow was there, would that help?
I don't think that would help anything. I wonder if Nintendo has to
put up with this type shit when they do like Smash Brothers. It's like,
oh, well, you can have solid Snake, but he can't talk
to Yoshi like everyone well known. Yeah yeah, Smack Brothers is the utopian
melting pot of yeah, dumb character mashups like that. Likes all equally stupid.
Most of those came from Nintendo proper, right, I mean, I
mean Final Fantasy Care some CAPCOMs and there I feel like the powers on the
other side of that relationship, whereas they're bringing in games into a Nintendo property,
whereas like Man Star Wars can do whatever they want. Yeah, yeah,
and Marvel and yeah, these are huge, huge things. Yeah,
I'm sucking Konami doesn't even make games. Pale in the next one was a
snake wasn't in the most recent smash. No, he was just Okay,
yeah, that'll that'll never happen again. Yeah, that's kind of a bummer
to read for really people that were into Infinity. It sounds like they were
moving in the direction people wanted it to go in terms of like you know,
you and old figures for new stuff. Yeah, and just like super
surprising. And then from a consumer standpoint, and it seemed like they had
you know, the biggest like mark a share. You know, it's like
from like Skylanders, you know, but Skylanders was geared towards a much like
younger age I think, Yeah, I go to yeah as well. Yeah,
I'm just wow. Yeah, like some of that inhere, some of
the quotes in this, Yeah, it's like, you know, it's it
wasn't you know, it was making money. It wasn't making like the kind
of astronomical profit that Disney wanted. But it's not like it was an abject
failure, you know, like they kind of pulled the rug out from under
it. I didn't expect it to last this long, I guess to someone
who doesn't understand business too much, like if something is profitable in any margin,
why would I mean, I'm sure there's a reason for it, I
just don't know what it is. Like, why would you say you're not
making enough? Person? It's all about return on investment, you know.
It's like shareholders look at that and say, like, well, you're getting
you're getting X out of what you're putting into this, But what if you
could you could be getting five x out of what if you use these resources
to those same resources into something else. So in terms of their video more
and in terms of their video game business, they've always licensed out their stuff.
So this is basically a way of like, look if we're spending all
this time and resources trying to make these games in house, and like Infinity
was one of the few things Disney we're doing in house. They licensed out
everything from their mobile stuff to to you know, look at the Lego Lego
Star Wars stuff, the battle Front all right, completely like battle Front to
come out and obviously had a mastic success just before them like actually sold ten
you know, probably the millions and fourteen, right, it's crazy number of
coffees a battle So if you're doing dash and I mean, they could probably
license the stuff out to Lago or something like. I mean they have they're
in this Toys to Life space the Star Wars stuff they don't have, so
maybe that's a way of getting that in there. But yeah, you know,
somewhere somebody said, hey, we can probably just you know, I
don't know, figure it out some other way. It's so sad though a
lot of people. It's unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, conduless to the three
hundred or so people that they said, we'll lose their jobs, yeah,
over the stuff such as the video game industry, I guess. Yeah.
It kind of drove the point home because there was an EA earning call the
same day or was it the next day. It was right around the same
time last week, where yeah, they mentioned that battle Front had done like
these enormous numbers, and it's like, you know, that's a low risk
thing for Disney to do, just to license their stuff Outlet just make a
bunch of money on something they don't have to do anything on. Speaking of
kind yeah, I probably do that. Yes, and I guess Disney's Chinko
Machines pulling out of the three now makes on more sense as well. Yes,
yes, absolutely so, Yeah, that's uh that ya rings call happened.
Not a whole lot of huge news out of that. There will be,
it's vague. There's there will be a new Battlefront of some sort next
year in twenty seventeen with quote bigger and better worlds. But they didn't come
out and say Battlefront two. So maybe it's not a Star Wars Battlefront.
Oh they can't. Yeah, Lord of the Rings Battlefront go, No,
you want to be Treebeard? Actually I could, I could. Maybe I
could maybe get into the idea of Battlefront as they catch all term for,
like we're gonna make a dumb deathmatch game out of this unlikely property, either
Scooby Doo battle ye, like here's Harry Potter battle Front or whatever. Two
Broke Girls Front. I know, I know a guy they could talk to
you, World War one. That's two real Star Trek Battlefront beautiful. Yeah,
So I think I think I saw elsewhere that I think they're gonna start
drawing from the new movies in this next Battlefront thing. But I don't know
if that's a full sequel or a giant expansion or who knows they I don't
know if there's a delay or if this was already known or what. But
there there's gonna be no NBA Live this year. It was coming out early
next year instead, and they're dropping the year number from it. It's just
going to be called NBA Live. How many years have they been trying to
reboot? God like you sucked or not come out for like the last seven
years, hasn't it? And there was like that crazy NBA Elite situation where
that ever came out. Yeah, they recalled it like yeah, manufact it
and then recall it like a demo went live and it was so fucked up
or something like just throwing the towel at some point. You're not good at
basketball games apparently. Yeah. Well, the NBA Live will be out early
next year. So I hear it. What happens? I hear Steph Cary
broke the game recently as well. Yeah, starts up sounds like an ongoing
process. I heard him in lebron or shooting now. Oh yeah, yeah,
who's the best of all time? Yeah? I guess, Uh,
let's see looks funny. Yeah, I mean he jammed from space. You
can't can't get much higher than that. Uh, let's see, no new
need for speed game this year? Great, says Jeff when I said in
slack is there anything else from EA earnings everybody cares about? We have satiated,
that's noteworthy. The need has been and then uh, and then lastly,
I don't know if I think this may have been floating around already,
but maybe the earnings call kind of confirmed it or whatever. But the uh,
the Visceral Star Wars game that Amy Hinnig is working on is not coming
out until twenty eighteen acording to this year, which yeah, like, well
they did, but that's like that's like nineteen months away. It's a long
time. She's what we could allow. Huh. Well, I'm assuming that
game will come out on the first of January and twenty eighteen. But yes,
you're right. Isn't it crazy talking about Uncharted through the lens of like
with all the stuff that happened during this development and like all the stuff about
Amy Hannig leaving as well, I mean how they like basically rebooted the game
and totally yeah, and it's it turns out it's probably the best story.
And yeah, I mean, you know, no, no disrespect to her
whatso, no, not at all. Obviously she pretty much made the series
what it is. But yeah, super super curious to see that game that
she's working on. There that's gotta hit out of the EA stuff. Not
a whole lot of like big big bangers, but they expect meres edged this
out twenty minute copies. They don't think they mentioned that one. I don't
know how that's gonna grow. Yeah, that's that soon, right, Yeah,
I think we all realized today that it's like, oh that is out
just stront like Home Front was a huge like oh god, right, that's
still a game and that's who's publishing Deep Silver, Deep Silver okay right,
yeah, Austin is playing that now we didn't we don't have it in here,
but that is coming out this week. I guess the Beast Cast will
have some impressions that this week. Let's see. Not a whole lot else
going on last since last week, but the two ds is eighty bucks now
eybody, Wow, that's all right. I'm always surprised when I see one
of those in the wild. Yeah, although it usually is you know,
kind of the age range that I think they marketed it towards. You know,
it's usually like a ten year old kid old one, yeah, might
buy on eighty bucks. Yeah yeah, that's I mean, that's you know,
that's a pretty pretty cheap buy in for like a huge library of pretty
good un it's still shaped like a cheese wedge. Yeah, it's the same
same design. Okay, it's just like a plane. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's yeah, we like lack of portability would kind of trip me up
on that, but I mean I get it as like if you're a parent
that doesn't want your kid to have something with hinges that they can break in
hand for whatever, it's like, oh, here's sure, yeah wedge thing.
Yeah, the or they don't want their eyes to cross, like the
jerk, all right, right, the jerk. Yeah, Steve Martin,
here's movie. No, he's not a classic, he's an American comedy classic.
I'm a rock sane. That's where my Steve Martin comes in. Now,
Yeah, had a big nose. Hilarious. That just robs I mean,
doesn't it? Isn't it? U? All right? That's all I
got for news. It's kind of a slow weak other than the Disney stuff.
Let's move on to emails. See Jason moving his hands and the mixer
in advances some some fucking production right there. It's reading reading the temperature in
the room on BombCast at giant bomb dot com. I have pulled some emails.
Let's read a few. Uh, John in Pasadena. If Elon Musk's
hyper loop between San Francisco and LA actually happens and there's an affordable thirty minute
option for you guys to get down to E three, do you think you'd
all take it? Yes, or but some of you still prefer the traditional
fun and convenience of the drive down. Also, assuming it's not cost prohibitive,
do you think you'd actually end up going down more frequently to LA for
work or otherwise. I've been reading up on that thing recently, and I
get bummed out of how long it's going to be until it's ready, because
I want to take that thing everywhere. Yeah, like that thing is super
It's like a newmatic tube at the at the bank or whatever. I want
to ride in that exclusively. And self driving cars, yeah, well,
self driving cars are happening. That's that's yeah, that's a foregone conclusion that
will arrive. I don't know. I don't know, We'll see a couple
of years. What self driving cars like, how it's getting there? Don't
How long will it be until I can I guess we can buy them?
Or is it gonna be like a service? I mean there are some on
the road right now. Tesla straight up put out a firmware update for some
of the cars that added self driving to it. Yeah, well, how
long until Okay, I'm at a bar and I want to get home and
I can just get in a cart instead of an uber you get like,
yeah, what's the robotic cab operator from two shows up? The Johnny cab?
Are we talking about like three five years? Don't No, I don't
know. I don't know that sounds. I've definitely estimates like five, like
ten years or something. Yeah, and you could own your own private one
and it would just type. So Yeah, it's like babile, isn't isn't
isn't some kind of legislation gonna happen. Have to happen at some point,
I'm sure a lot. Yes, Yeah, once those things actually go wide,
it's a wonderful feature. Yeah, Like they ran some hyperloop test last
week. It was successful. But then I looked at it and apparently that
test was only like a tenth of the speed that the actual thing needs to
go. Yeah, they did that in Texas, right, Like they built
like a little like test course, I think something in Vegas something just to
prove that like the tech worked or whatever. Yeah, was it at a
to Vegas. They said they could do it in twenty minutes or something etimes
really because you're going I didn't know what the top speed was. H Yeah,
like this test they did zero to sixty and like one you don't hit
Enny on the rail doing the first one, and I was going off the
rails. Is gonna make for some some YouTube because it's isn't it Maglev?
I thought it like doesn't actually it's into contact the rail. I don't know,
Yeah, it doesn't contact anything. How it can go so fast?
Right? Wow? But the proverbial pay are you gonna be able to like
sit up in that thing? You're gonna have to light down flat the concept
look like you're in like one of those like recliners. It's going back,
but your legs are kind of bent, like you know those mattresses were can
press a button and it folds up. It's like the halfway point is what
it looks like. Okay, so it's not like a lose you or anything
like that. You don't need to slining, but your legs are also up,
but then they're bent down soling. Okay, sure, uh sounds they
did that in a James Bond movie. Sent a guy from one place to
another in in a in a like an oil an oil line or something.
I think it was a Dalton one. This guy, I don't know.
Let me know when you get there, Dan, Okay, Yeah, is
there a tell Del Taco on board? Oh? I don't think. I
don't think you want to eat Del Taco with seven hundred miles an hour.
I can don't take take my word for this or on this. I'll be
the Neil Armstrong of that boy, not jos Bettle Grande everywhere. Oh no,
del Taco. I don't know what there is. It's called's one one
giant leap for dance. Colin. Yeah, uh to answer John, And
Pasadena's another question. I tried to avoid La whenever possible. Oh yes,
yeah, outside of the three, it's the worst city. It is actually
the worst city. I think. I don't mind this, it's interesting.
So it's okay for about a week out of the year. I mean the
experience of La we have sucks because it's like just South figaroa hotel to a
convention center. Yeah, God, Venice, I lived there for four years.
I'm good and your phil Although I lived in my own bubble. It
was a bubble within a bubble, all right, Yeah, college town,
Oh fair enough. Yeah, it's just it's getting around more than anything.
Yeah, that does it to me? Just the people try not to generalize
too much about that, but there is there is an element of that.
Yes, yeah, I mean, dude, you even San Francisco. Yeah,
oh I know. Yeah, people here suck too. Maybe it's a
California problem right now? Was there once? Uh? Let's see. How
about Gabe from Toledo, Ohio. I'm very excited about the upcoming live streams
of the bomb cast as part of this. Have you guys considered live call
ins to the show? What could possibly go wrong? Yes, we have
considered that idea, but then we considered what could go wrong? Dismissed it
summarily. No, we we've talked about that stuff, but yeah, I
don't think it would never be as simple as just hey, we're gonna have
a phone here and you can call it like that is a recipe for disaster.
Yeah, we did probably have to bring somebody in to monitor them.
Yeah, we need to screen them as well, because go wrong a call
screeners sounds so professional, Yeah, but required for something like that, Like
we had BEFO we're doing. We did that back at Whiskey. We had
it. That wasn't their job. We just grabbed. I was just say,
we're gonna have to get Dave's sister back in here, answer the phone,
like you know, whoever was people? I think, can you help
us make sure this person isn't a lunatic. I used to work at a
sports TV station and we had a live call in show once and it was
about like just local Kansas City sports and stuff, and we had a Kansas
City chief on. I can't remember what his name was. I think he
was kind of a lower on the totem pool guy, but he was dating
one of our anchor ladies. But that was like kind of a you know,
low key thing. They didn't really publicize it. And so it's a
live call in show and we had no delay or anything like that, and
uh, so this guy calls in. He was like, yeah, I
got a question. No, you know, I heard a rumor going around
town that you two were fucking around. And then she they were both on
the a. Yeah, she was like interviewing him, not as like hey,
I'm your girlfriend, but so she looks like deer in the headlights completely
and he thought they were talking about like the Chiefs defense. He's like,
no, I don't think we I wouldn't put it that way. I think
we got a good team, we got some good leadership, we got it.
She's just like a got got got Oh you were in the room for
this was in the control room. Man. That was not as bad as
the Jared Allen, the Jared Allen hot sauce incident. You know Jared Allen.
So he started this goddamn restaurant in Kansas City called Club sixty nine because
his number was sixty nine, and the commercials and suffer like wind him dying,
I'm sixty nine him And so he's just a huge dipshit like Jared Allen's
a giant. Didn't claim to fame. He was. He was on the
Vikings last I remember, but then before that, he's on the Chiefs.
What is it? What is it with Kansas City sports figures being giant asshot?
I don't know, okay, but so yeah, I'm in the control
room. This is a live thing, and our anchor who's there kind of
hosting the show with Jared Allen it's from Club sixty nine or whatever, and
they had like, it's like, okay, we've got four tickets here we're
gonna give away for the Chiefs game coming up this Sunday, And so we're
gonna do a call in trivia thing and Jared Allen, I don't know if
he's fucking drunk or what. He's like, No, we gotta do something
hilarious, like some jackass thing to give away these tickets. And the anchors
like, oh, well, we've got the trivia ready to go here Jared,
He's like no, let's like, uh okay, whoever we'll put this
hot sauce in their eyes gets this ticket. And some drunk girl runs up
on live TV and like pours this hot sauce and rapaul and just splatts it
in her eyes like and like, Jared Allen's cracking up, and they had
to give her the tickets. We kind of away from the rush to the
hospital. Why did you should have a tape delay? Why did you leave
that job? Man? This episode plenty of reasons. Oh boy, uh,
Kansas is great. He's been there. It's great. It's just off
the rails twenty four or seven. Mental you used to have very specific look
at you saw that the record tour of it. Y yeah, today,
answer this guy's question, Jeffill. Jeff will often talk fondly about the like
the voicemails from the hot spots way back in the day, Like you call
that thing? Oh yeah, I got on a couple of times. I
called it in a bunch of times. There was I actually do remember a
live one at some stage. It might have been game Spot or I might
be super early Giant Bomb because Vinnie was the was the screen screener, and
because I guess I was a user for a long time, so you knew
I wasn't gonna be a total jark on it. But yeah, I remember
like like like one thirty in the morning, probably Ireland time, like quivering
Irish voice talking to it was Ryan and Jeff I think about something. So
they did it. One might okay for some charity thing or something, But
yeah, emailing in MP three's. I mean that's a pretty big caught off
technically for a lot of people as well. I think if we were to
do it, we would have an actual phone number, right yeah, oh
yeah, we would have to be that dumb. Jeff thinks we might still
have that phone number from the hot spot, like that's probably still within possession
of the company, So we might look into that. I don't know,
Uh, you know, we're not gonna We're not gonna do anything so crazy
that it like jacks up the audio version of this thing or whatever, like
in terms of playing around with the live format, but we got some ideas.
I'll go as far as it saves. We're actively looking into it.
Okay with that, all right, that's that's the only teaser you're gonna get.
That sounds good. Uh, let's see Ben from San Diego that sorry,
that is a concern though, when you go to a video podcast like
messing up this the format of the show totally. Yeah, I mean this
thing we are very cognizant of that, and things still has to work as
an audio only show. Yeah, it is. That is why, well,
that is why we did not put a program feed in this room.
So that we can't see which camera is live not only or that or just
obsessively like seeing trying to find out what you look like or like you know,
or or even worse, having like a feed of the live chat and
here. Yeah, utterly disastrous. Yes that too for the quality of show.
And that would that would just be distracting, and yeah that that is
not going to happen so effectively. It is like, uh, we have
behind the scenes. We have been practicing doing the live video for the past
couple of weeks. Yes, yes, there are and ordered video podcasts.
Hopefully we'll never see the live Yeah, well it didn't do my hair,
yeah, and so and we've been using this room audio only for ever since
we've been next. Absolutely the goal is to you know, carry on as
usual. Yes, there happen to be some cameras here and stuff. That
is a challenge I can appreciate considering what we do in the lobby. Yeah,
you guys will move some more of a podcast ish kind of for we
came the other way, which was like kind of required when you've gone,
because we bring on people who aren't in front of camera a lot of the
time. They were like editors who also bring on our microphones. Thank you
so much for I really appreciate it. So I was like, yeah,
I'm trying to break away from Nash because you have this you know, projector
presentee sort of vibe when you especially when we had the couch the way we
had it with people around in front of camera. So yeah, that was
like creating like the intimate setting is just so important and people facing each other,
yes, that sort of chats. Indeed, God speed, gentlemen.
It's a tough video production problem to solve. Everybody's looking at each other.
Fun though, Yeah, it's like it's all fun. All that sounds cool.
Thank you guys, do a good job. Thanks all right. Ben
from San Diego so to No announced a few weeks ago that the New Zelda
would be the only game at their E three booth. What I'm wondering is
which version are they going to show. If they show the WEU version,
they will be premiering the game on defunct, underpowered hardware and could potentially give
a bad first impression. If they show the NX version, however, not
only would the game footage have to show at least some of the nx's features,
but they would also have to bring some form of an NX prototype to
the show. Which scenario do you think is more like devin it, I
don't think it. We I think yeah, I think it will be the
WEU Yeah, but you're right, I mean, yeah, they would be
keeping it could be PC's under a constant, you know, in a podium
right with what is the controller though? That's the thing. Yeah, like
there's a Xbox three sixty. I think they've already confirmed this no matter what,
they are not cheaping. Yeah, anyway, they said flat out already
that, yeah, the NX would not be there in any capacity, so
it'll be has to be the Wuvers. Yeah. But then that that raises
the question of like how different are these versions actually going to be? You
know, if they're willing to look at Twilight Princess, they're willing to debut
the game on the wear, Yeah, exactly, Like I'm not expecting to
be that different, right, or you say it'll look way better and then
your imagination fills in the rest. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
how many we use are they're out there? Well, they sell like
twelve million of those things or something that's like or twelve I think. I
mean if that thing's coming out on both systems. I've got one, three,
three of those twelve. Uh, you know they're go they're gonna want
to sell a bunch of the WU version to WEU owners, right like they're
not going to sell millions of an x is on day one, you know,
like they've got to sell that game to an install base. Yeah,
they don't want to look like they are completely forgetting about They're not xboxing,
right you although, I mean, you know that'll be that'll be basically the
last game they put out that have they said that it's going to be a
launch title for the NX well, because we may have a situation where this
comes out. I thought they said it was shipping simultaneous, Okay, yeah,
mark for both systems, I think, right, yeah, so it
is like literally a Twilight Princess situation, right yeah? Or actually the GameCube
version of that come out at the same time or was it after? I
think it was this oh you know what, maybe it was like if it
was after, I think it was like a couple of weeks, right,
it wasn't it was a lot. I think it was like not only like
just a little bit after, but also like they didn't make that mini Like
I remember the GameCube version of that game was like hard to find it was.
Yeah, huh, it's it's a weird It might have been December.
It's a weird thing for them to do twice. Yeah, they're a weird
company. Yes, that is, that is for sure. Uh. David
from Calgary writes in about that poop question from last Oh god, I missed
this. Yeah, yeah, would you definitely missed out? Would you think
I think it was? I think it was. Would you touch poop for
twenty dollars? Yeah, oh you were here. You can do it for
free every day. I think I can get twenty dollars every time I touch
ship. That'd be great. David from Calgary writes in something that he says
has always stuck with him from his engineering university days. Listening to your earlier
podcast segment about touching poop, I was reminded of a conversation we had with
our engineering friend who now works at NASA. Her title is actually Mission Controller
Wow. At the time, we were sitting around and playing football rather than
studying for finals, when the topic of smelling poop came up somehow, and
she pointed out an obvious but horrifying point about the issue. You know,
smelling something, this is this is quote. You know, smelling something is
a heck of a lot worse than seeing something. See something, you just
have to have a bunch of photons lighting up cones and rods in your eyes.
But in order to smell something, parts of it have to literally reach
into and deposit physically into your nose, and then as part of that chemical
reaction, some of those particles then become part of your body. Oh god,
wait, we actually had this discussion Dan on an episode of Middle You're
scanling, that doesn't surprise me. So by that logic, if I were
to fart and you guys were like, oh, that's a stinky fart,
don't you guys would be part my farts at that point, like your atomic
makeup would very personally infinitely small part of this would but it would cycle out.
I don't want to finish that sentence. It would it would cycle out
of your your person at some point, at some point, Like it's not
permanently. It's not like a tattoo like my Parson's part of you forever.
I mean, we're already made of the farts of everyone who's lived before.
That's true. So I literally passed the sewage truck this morning and had the
thought that if I was trying to not breathe, and I smelt it,
and I thought, is this going to be in my body for like weeks?
Now? Can I get rid of the smell? It's just going to
be lingering in there. I think there was a good tenth of a mile
during beta breakers where I was farting every step. Did you talk about before
after? Did you do your do your two plates of chicken? Off?
Right over? Whatever it was? What was your pre what was your night?
What was your rights for the night before? I watched Indiana Jones and
The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Juan Me, my girlfriend and Tim Terry.
We ate two full new these are all new boxes and things. Two
full things of pringles, one full thing of cheese it white cheddar grooves,
one full big box of cinnamon powdered doughnuts, and I think two or three
pints of Ben and Jerry's. This this was your pre race regimen? Yes,
good God? And also beer. Wow, that's impressive. I mean
you burn calories on runs. You gotta yeah, yeah, you gotta put
them in burned clean calories or something that I don't know. That was after
going to the Tennessee Grill and eating a bunch of shitty food there, good
shitty. Here's the Tennessee Grill. It's not terrible down the sunset. It's
a good, unpretentious diner, greasy spoon plays great. It's good stuff.
Good, yeah, Tennessee. Williams. Yes, good stuff. Matt from
Illinois right soon says in Capcom's latest fiscal report, it was brought up that
quote. We also possess vast library of content in which there remains multiple IP
that have not yet been utilized to their full potential. These issues we will
handle moving forward. I totally did not see that, but I'll take his
word for it. Jason, I don't recall Capcom fan Capcom fan follow their
financials or anything, but I don't know the man. I want to rescue
Rangers. Let's bring so yeah. So yeah, that's that's basically his question.
He says. My question to you is one, what if any,
what if any Capcom owned ips would you like to see brought back or further
further utilized to their potential? Two? Do you think there could be any
chance that Capcom would take a chance on a new Beautiful Joe game. Nah.
No, those were awesome, but I just don't think they ever sold
that much, I think, which is a shame. They were. Yeah,
they were real good. But Dino Crisis Okay, all right, the
third game was real bad. It's real bad. They should make Resident Evil
good again. M I don't disagree with you. I also don't know that
it's within their power to do that about a corpse. It could be a
return to form. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh
man, every every attempt at bringing back Final Fight has just been sad.
Street Wise, Yeah, it's terrible lost planet, and we don't want lost
no, no, no, dark Void. That was also not great.
Command on Section Z. Anybody that street Fighter platformer? Really? What was
that street Fighter twenty ten? The Final Fight? I think so? Yeah?
Puzzle Fighter? Yeah, actually, Chippendale would be way out there.
Chippendale and puzzle Fighter. It might be my actual two choices that would I
would love a new puzzle Fighter Trojan Okay, yeah, that's not bad,
all right? Yes, best answer, Maximo, Just one pile of rum
for your mouth and my mouth. Ghosts and goblins, I mean Dead Rising
man. Yeah, I like three. I don't know how well three did,
but I would Three's good. It was a good game. It was
a real launch title. Yeah, yeah, but I actually thought it was
like more fully featured than you expect for a launch title. It felt like
a real video game to me. My worry was it looked too serious and
those early trailers, but it was still goofy as super tongue and cheek for
sure. Yeah. I don't know. I can't come up with much else
that they're sitting on that. Yeah, I don't know where like the license
is line to mean perfect, but you know, it's like maybe another comedy
might be something, but like you know, that's like a beautiful Joe situation
where like people that played it love it, but it didn't sell that much.
Yeah, and also the people who created that are long gone at this
point, surprising. What's that Dead Rising? Yeah? Yeah, I would
have said this Wikipedia page here, I would have said duck Tails. But
remember when everyone got super excited when they announced that duck Tails, and then
it came out and everyone's like, no, we're good. I don't think
it wasn't terrible. It wasn't bad, but like it came out and just
like no fanfare whatsoever, like no one gave it once it was actually out.
Yeah, you're right, yep, that totally happened. I don't see
anything else on there. Drew on a Musha I guess, or Dragons Dog
One Dream. Yeah, dragons Dog most seems like a game that did not
fulfill its potential, like everybody talks about like, oh, there's something really
good there if they just expanded on it was that one watt, Well,
we'll see one dream Godanda pretty soon, Godhand. Wasn't godhand them? Yes,
yeah, there we go. But that was the published Flock Flock Flock,
the River Flock, the cheap game with the UFOs weir Cheap. Yeah,
there was a bunch of those came out all at the same time.
I got that out launch and have never fired it up. It's fun.
I thought it looked ghost to Trick. Oh yeah that was Yeah, that
really popular in something. It's adventure gamy. It's not mean, it's not
exactly like but but they're both kind of adventure game type. Never played that
thing. Yeah, it's good fun? Is it only three dys yessation Vita
as well? Fun game, all right, Dustin from Saskatchewan writes in question
targeted to Dan or at least I am targeting in it Dad. Okay,
this is he dustin the dresses to everybody. What are your thoughts on people
who brush their teeth at work and shared work bathrooms. I'm currently in a
bathroom at work, sitting in a stall, pooping and writing this email thanks,
while a guy a few feet away brushes his teeth. I understand that
I'm doing the dirty or of the two acts, but somehow I also feel
like he's somehow grosser for it. What do you guys think? I feel
like it would be more acceptable if it was a single person bathroom he could
lock everyone else out of. Yeah, he's brushing those poop particles directly into
his There was a MythBusters about that. It's it's not bad. Uh.
Yeah, We've got some of those single person bathrooms here where, so I
don't think brushing your teeth would be a big deal there. I don't hate
it when people do it in the multi one. I hate it when people
when I go to the gym in the morning, they fucking sit there with
a tower around their waist and they're naked otherwise and they're doing all their shaving.
They've got like a fucking blender and making a protein shape. They're shaving
and brushing their keith and all this shit like they're doing their whole morning routine
at the gym. And it's like, I just want to watch my hands
real quick after that poop. Let me get past all your ship here.
But you're probably asking me as the flossing thing, right, yes, yeah,
yeah, that was yes that I stand by. You were doing that
today. I did that daily flossing at your desk. I can't I can't
get behind it, I ask my girlfriend. Am I crazy? I hate
to call you out in a public forum here, Oh go ahead, It's
funny. We did it on a fucking panel once. It's not like I'm
flicking stuff. It's not like food is flying out of my mouth. If
you are. If I can, it goes on my tongue and then I
swallow him. That guy's not getting shaving cream on you, but his ship's
taken up a bunch of space. And the only thing separating me and is
dong is a towel. That's a totally different thing. I'm fully clothed and
I'm flosting at my desk, totally different things. I mean, technically is
only like two layers, I guess, But my pants aren't just gonna fall
off while I'm flossing. You never know. I mean, it isn't more
proof articles on your home toothbrush because that sits there all day. Particles on
a tooth brush, no fansac you know, brush your teeth on the toilet.
I don't brush your teeth on the toilet, No, No two for
one, you brush brush you teeth and shower a lot of time? No,
yeah, let's they have a lot of time in the shower for brush
teeth in the shower. I often brush in the show. Yeah, toothpasted
in there? How many times you apply toothpaste to your toothbrush once done in
the shower? Suppose like a brush with Maybe you have shampoos. I often
floss on the shower for particles that go flying everywhere. Flossing vigorously, me
too, But it just goes on your goddamn tongue or the roof of your
mouth. Would you ever see anything fly out of my mouth? Call me
out right then, I'm not you know not, you know, it's worse
than that. People clipping their nails on the bus. I've never seen that.
But oh yeah, that sounds fucked up. I can't get behind that.
That sounds gross. That has happened multiple times, super gross. Can't
do it? Like what type of people? Uh, I don't know in
this people are like kids are like adults. Okay, not wearing suits,
Okay, Clevener's toes. That's pretty nasty. Fingers, I haven't seen the
fingers. Fingers. I can't remember who, but somebody used to clip their
nails here. No, somebody did that. I can't remember who it was.
You never get them. They always fly off, always always lose one.
You can do it over a trash can, and like nine of them
are gonna go flying. Yeah, that's the truth. That's disgusting. I
walk into my shower to do it, even if I'm fully closed. Yeah,
just to the nails, just just to make sure. Yes, Sometimes
I hang in the airlock. Sometimes I hang my hands out the window because
it just goes down. Seriously, the backyards. You can't control the angle
though. What if they bounce back into the window then whatever, It's still
less than if I try to do it over a trash can. I think
the only solution is to go all the way out to the landfill and stand
in the middle of the garbage and do it there, because then let's go
swim in the ocean and do it there. You go, just do what
I do. Use your use your teeth, baby. Yeah, yeah,
I think people doing that, like are your teeth even? That's strong.
I've tried to do it. I don't know how people do it. You
get it on the you get the corner, and then you tear it technic.
That sounds like it would just make it so jagged so it gets caught
on like clothing and stuff like that. Does not do that sometimes, Yeah,
there's a scratch and he's sucking dirt and stuff onto they want to put
that near mouth. It's poop. It's true, there was probably poop.
Projects points build up yourmmune systems. Yeah, just just like licking the baby.
Don't think the baby probably not. Uh, let's see shake it.
Don't do that either. No, no, no, we've been over this.
Carson from Maryland. I'm playing through Uncharted four right now, but I
haven't been able to play the New tomb Raider yet. How does Uncharted four
compare to it? It's they're pretty different. Different. I can see why
people would want to compare the two three person tomb rating action treasury stuff,
but I don't know. Like when I remember Woman Charted first became a thing,
it just felt like, oh, they made their own off brand tomb
Rador game. Yeah yeah, like I get dude, if you will,
sure, I feel like I'm charted. Especially this one is way more story
focused than tomb Raiders, Like tomb Raders has its cut scenes and stories,
like I don't remember ever giving a ship. The new one had a pretty
pretty sand good story component. I played through that like four or five months
ago when it came out on PC, and I'm trying to think of one
thing. There's a guy with glasses and maybe a shipwreck. Yeah, there's
like a secret of immortality and a hidden city and Siberia Creek. Man,
I don't remember there was snow. I remember, yeah, yeah, I
thought, well it was better than I expected. I'll put it that way.
And I don't remember anything, but I think I'll remember I charted for
is for a while, like yeah, so yeah, I think there's way
more of a narrative. I think it's more linear, you know, like
there are some Yeah, it's per linear yeah, I mean there were those
bigger areas we were driving around and stuff where it's a little more open,
but the new Tomb Raider felt much more open than not totally. Yeah,
good on them for for you know, putting their own I was gonna say,
making a different kind of game, but you know, it's it's at
its core kind of the same kind of game. You know, you're still
climbing up sides of cliffs and doing some shooting and stuff, but like areas,
it has a different feel to it. For sure. It's all on
locks and weapons crafting and like side side mission type stuff. And yeah,
like you said, there's just kind of big open areas. And I I
think Rise of the Team Raider is a more interesting game started four Constant really,
I just totally I really liked that game too, and and just you
know, more variety and more interesting unexpected stuff than like, nothing compares to
the Spectacle and and Charted for like it's it's it is like, but there's
some pretty good spectacle and yeah, yeah for sure, but but again they
found a different angle and I think I liked that control better and just the
gameplay and upgraating stuff. Yeah, yeah, but I found that that stuff
was more engaging to me for sure. Uh. Let's see Eddie from Maine.
So apparently when one does a Google search of street Overlord, the third
search suggestion after Street Overlord Strong and Street Overlord eBay is stree Overlord giant bomb.
So how does it feel to be leading the charge on street Overlord been
associated with street Overlords? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're probably you're definitely
now, yes, now that I don't remember what you're talking about, you
right about that? If I wonder if they're giving the full image when they're
doing this, if copy, if copyright infringing dick pills is the worst thing
that we are now associated with, I think that we will risk pretty easily.
I'm rather proud of it, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah,
it took a lot of work to get here. Yeah for sure, we've
Yes, we did some Muslin. Yes, we've been. We've been building
that brand recognition from months. Now it's finally off. I should yes.
Yeah. Half the reason I keep pulling these emails is because I like saying
the word street. It's so dumb. I don't know where that came from.
Let's see Dave from Colorado wonders if we want to weigh in on the
upcoming San Francisco soda tacks ballot issue. What what? I shit? I
didn't look it up because I mean I am I am broadly familiar with it
that I didn't look it up because I figured this would be more for me.
I mean, I guess I could guess what it is. You can
you can you can definitely guess, or I could just pull it up right
now. They taxing soda? I mean, yeah, I think that's the
gist of it is is uh yeah proposal. I wonder if that San Francisco
soda taxing. I mean, there's twenty five cents in this office in the
minorn wash, right, have no miner wash? Yeah, And if you
go through do you ever do that prime now thing where they deliver the groceries
to you? Yeah, it's fucking three dollars for any twelve pack of soda.
So I always just were like twelve twelve packs and get literally hundreds of
sodas brought up to my apartment, like build a table out of those things
or something. Seriously, like if it's this huge part of the corner of
my kitchen is just you know, hundreds of sodas. Did they have to
carry them up? Uh? They do? And sometimes I feel bad,
like well, like r what yeah you tip them? Yeah? But yeah,
sometimes it'll be like pouring rain outside and it's like some twenty year old
girl like carrying up a million things, like all right, I'll go down
there and help. Yeah, like that's do you know if they're are they
like not actually task rabbitting with that service? But is that generally how those
deliveries happen? What do you mean? I think they imagine Amazon? Are
those like contracted they work for Amazon? Yeah, Amazon employees. Yeah,
the Bays horror Baby, where's the place down by the dog patch? They've
got a huge like warehouse there, and so they like every you can track
the delivery and it always starts from that second baby or whatever place. Yeah.
I figured they were just kind of exploiting cheap contracts labor. Right now,
they're they're especial like Amazon Prime employees like everybody else in the sharing economy.
But they get tips, yeah, yeah, because that's included like in
the total. So I threw a bunch of stuff in a cart and apparently
you've got to get like you know, twenty dollars worth stuff. But then
my final total would like bottling fees and tips and stuff, is like an
additional ten dollars. And at that point I was like, okay, but
if this isn't worth it, but but especially if you, like you don't
have a car, like my option if I want one hundred and fifty sodas
is I walk down to Safeway and how the hell do I carry home?
Imagine the beautiful future when this is all done by tipless drones just carrying like
thirty six cans of beer. I'm up for that across like the sky and
you just shoot them down down. I got excited that I saw my first
drone on Beta Breakers. There's a drone flying above the park and I was
like, oh cool, that's an actual drone. First drone you've seen.
Yeah, and you live in San Francisco. Yeah, I got excited.
I mean we've had them in the office. Oh yeah, A little like,
okay, what point is it not just an RC helicopter? Though?
I see That's why I great angry at these things because these have been around
for years. Yeah, Dan, you had one? I did, Oh,
the one that came with call of duty. That's that's this thing was
way the fuck up there. Control helicopters look way more awesome than these things.
Okay, it's harder to keep in the air. Wind messes with them
way worse. I've broken so many remote control licopters, that's true, that's
terrible. I think. I think the actual best thing the drones have been
used for is like news reporting, Like they've sent drones into like kind of
destroyed, bombed out urban areas and Syria. Yeah, here is the like
video. It's a way to get you know, like some meaningful footage without
putting camera people at risk and stuff like even for even camera people in domestically
are way at risk because they don't fly high enough to be able to land
the helicopters if the roters go because there's that technique you can do. You
should know about this if you're like high enough. But they only fly like
five hundred meters. They're not thought high off the ground. So if there's
ever like a technical problem. Ty Roush for video producer for games, but
I used to work as a camera for some Texas at TV station, and
he says, if one of those, if one of those goes down,
they're done because they just don't have enough time to like fix it. So
news helicopters, news helicopters. Alright, that's yikes, that's rough, all
right. Two cents per ounce is the proposed soda tax. Okay, I
don't drink soda, so I don't care. I stop drinking souta last month.
Yeah, it's great at twelve etnesota twenty five cents something like that.
Is that a thing that's going through or is that something that's being debated.
Looks like it's coming back up for vote. It was defeated once. Why
is it a hampening to stop people drinking sodas? Are my energy drinks?
Is gonna be okay to get more tax saw that shit about it. They're
not going to allow fucking candy and chips and stuff in San Francisco ending machines
on like official like official state buildings and stuff. They can't have like kit
cats and stuff. It has to be fucking salads or whatever. I think
I think to get too political, but I think the thinking is that people
who drink a lot of soda are unhealthy and thus attacks on the healthcare system.
Yeah, so tax to offset that, I mean, yeah, you
guys have a massive, like the biggest obesity problem. You guys, what
is it you? Maybe? How long have you been here? Two and
a half years? I did, Yeah, I see we're doing the parts
you like. You do have a massive problem in that area, certainly,
and a massive problem. That's a good point. Damn all right, problems
inism. We kick your ass at that. They're letting lebricorns fucking everywhere.
There's your poorly informed political minute, yes on your podcast. Yeah, yeah,
it's gonna be exactly sixty seconds long, because that's all anybody can tolerate.
I mean, sorry, uh, we kind of covered this when we
were talking about Doom already, but I pulled an email from Allen in Philadelphia
asking about I'll just read it and if you guys have anything else to say
now that, against all odds, Bethesda has successfully made Wolfenstein and Doom relevant
again. Is it time for Quake to come back? Does it development?
Or does another studio take the reins? Like I kind of got last time
that happened that they gave a dude in their studio. I didn't work out
too well? What quick four? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, how far?
It was like a different I guess it wasn't once Bear and I got
and yeah, comparity touched this, wait for it was just like a weird
sequel to Quake two. Yeah, we're gonna jop your legs out in strogs
and like space cyber zombie bullshit. I mean, Quake Live did not take
off, Like that's it's weird because it ran that same time a really cool
idea. Yeah I'm a little dope if I really liked it, but yeah,
it just didn't. I think there's a few people that still take it
pretty seriously. Or they didn't shut it down. No, they changed the
priceing model all the times it's free to play, and then it went to
a charge based like thing, and I think it's it's on Steam now.
It's not like web web based anymore. But I mean, I got.
I got kind of embroiled into discussion on Twitter about this right before the podcast,
and people are saying, like, what part of Quake do you even
reboot? You know, like because like Quake two is its own thing with
the kind of the space zombie stuff, but then like what, like what
the fuck is Quake one? Like that is the brown that is one of
the biggest messes in terms of inspirations and like different aesthetics clashing and something good
was that. I know, I love it for that, but like medieval
makes it's like partially medieval, it's somewhat love craft in there's like a bunch
of weird futuristic like gothic looking stuff like metal And also if you read actually
found the scans of an old PC gamer that I have still have a copy
of my parents' house where it's like way before Quake came out and they were
still talking about it. It was like this Norse RPG that they were like
it like they had all yeah, like when they were making Quake, they
had all these grandiose designs on it being like a role playing game and you
would have the Hammer of Thor and that would be like the gameplay would vollve
around the hammer and all this ship. You can like find that article out
there, and like the final game was like what was that? Total mess?
Lovable mess. That's what I want to see rebooted. I want to
see a spiritual successor to the first Quake here. That'll buy us. Though,
people that could watch the video podcast, we know that brads were in
a quick game. Ah yeah, it seemed appropriate today that did I have
a doomed question? Yeah? Do you see their butt holes? M they
never really stay in one piece long enough to get under there and look to
be honest. Yeah, what if you were NVR, Yeah, then you
could really really get in there. Oh, you know what, there's a
model viewer. I unlocked the imp. Oh, but you know, the
camera controls are kind of shitty. They don't really let you pan down under
there, or if they do, do they turn off the model Like yeah,
iff you zoom in long enough. John Romere's face blocks the butt.
Okay, that's where it went. Uh, let's see question from Scott.
Do you guys aside from Dan, really hate Mario Party or are you just
doing a bit. If you really hate the game that much, then say
fuck you Dan, no more misery. I know it's a popular feature.
But so we're endurance runs and you stopped those. Uh yeah, that last
one. I will have meant that that last one, man was Yeah,
that was that was rough. That was a true endurance test. Yeah,
even for you. I still like it, but man, that was almost
five hours of It was the longest one and the least fun one. Yeah,
that was a wrong choice of map, yeah, yeah, which every
one of my Twitter was like, Oh, the ice one is the best.
I can't believe I'm saying this, and it will never fucking happen.
It will never fucking happen. If you're listening to this and you think this
is a ray of hope, fuck you that I almost no, I'm not
gonna say it. You want to go back and play the fair squarter map.
I don't want to go back, but I wish we should. Wish.
I wish we could do it over. I wish. I mean,
Brad, there's a lot of people out of the office this week. If
you just want to do one on one and we check out, we can't
do it without Jeff, like we would have to be a legit competition and
internationally sanctioned Mario Party. Yeah, I don't know. I'm always gonna wonder
what the default map in six was like. Once we run out of Mario
Party games there everyone has a different map. So we go back for round
two and we do different maps every time. Let's move on to the next
email, please. I actually remember playing Mario Party with my brother and sister
and having a good time. I don't think we haven't played fifty turns.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think we did either. Really, Yeah,
I can see how it'd be a lot better doses. Somebody else emailed a
video in that's just every mini game from Mario Party nine on YouTube, and
that video has almost a hundred million views on it. Whoa, it's just
every mini game end end, like an hour and a half one million.
Yeah, it's got like ninety seven million views on it. Yeah, just
like fucking what happened here? That? Like what? And every other video
on the channel has like four hundred VideA They were like, I pulled up
a bunch of other Mario Party videos on that channel that have like two three
thousand views on them, and here is this one mini game compilation. It's
super confusing. It's the weirdest thing, all right. Uh. Last email
comes in from Nick from of all places of Germany with some more fun facts
about the Apple River debauchery that we talked about last week. Dan, you
said you'd spent some time on the Yeah, somebody there's Apple River and Apple
Valley. Well it sounds like Apple Valley is the town okay, the one
I went, oh wait, one, I guess, but there's Apple Valley
Minnesota. You know same, Okay, Valley in Wisconsin or Appleton the Apple
River. Appleton is also in Wisconsin. This says Apple Valley is a southern
suburb of Minneapolis. That's Apple Valley. Yes, yeah, okay, all
right. He says that river is not located in Apple Valley, voted one
of the best places to live in the US just a couple of years ago.
But it's actually located just over the border in the garbage fire state that
is Wisconsin. Hey, it seems like a good state. Just fine.
Back, The Apple River has a quite storied history. What started as a
family friendly tube and down the river quickly turned terrible as people use it to
get wildly drunk with little to no police intervention. Also being based just across
the border in Wisconsin, where fireworks of all sorts were legal, not the
case in Minnesota, where you can only get sparklers and shitty fountains, it
led to all of the best slash worst kinds of entertainment Imaginable Drunk, overweight
Middle American rubs would partake in such fun events as firing Roman candles at campers
who were tenting on the river banks, throwing half empty beer cans, at
children getting ridiculously sunburned as they got too drunk to remember that water washes away
sunscreen on their pale bodies that have been inside for the last nine months of
horrible winter, and people exposing themselves following the rule of you never want to
see the people who want to show. The river ends up being filled with
garbage, not just referring to the people floating down it with beer cans for
all of the lowest level beers imaginable littering the sides. My favorite band favorite.
My favorite brands include Beer thirty that rainy bells smelled, Beer Colon thirty
with the slogan It's always beer Thirty's an ad from that, and Beer Ice,
which surprisingly was from a different but equally terrible company. Those are two
beers that I really want to Somebody send us some Beer thirty or Beer Ice
also used fireworks, big lighters, and drug paraphernalias strown about the river banks.
That's it's exactly what you'd expect from a state park in Wisconsin. That's
that stuff's uncool. But man, would it be awesome to shoot off fireworks
from an inner tube in a Yeah? It ish Okay, that sounds like,
yeah, we used to go. We used to go being yeah done
in like a Milwaukee area around summerfest time. Yeah, it was debaucherous for
sure, but I think like that was the right place for it. Okay,
the Midwest is pretty cool. It's Yeah, this sounds like there's not
a lot to do there. Well, maybe there is months out of the
year. Yeah, you're gonna go out and you're gonna have a good time
to be able to stir crazy when you get out. Absolutely, what were
you shooting fireworks at just you know each other? Yeah? Probably, okay,
probably probably people sometimes, Okay, alright, I don't remember. Yeah,
it's also drinking going on. Neither neither does your pearl Loster don't he
doesn't listen. That's good, that's a good thing. All right, it's
all the emails I got podcast Johnny Bond dot com. Uh now what now?
What do we do? What music should we go? Comes next?
I guess we should go. Did you want me to play some music?
Look at emails at F one dot cool? Yeah, yeah, that was
that where your emails go. Yeah, what kind of emails do you guys
get? Emails about cars? Are they all about F one yeah, mostly.
Yeah, we're right, we're yeah, we're sort of bizarrely on point
for a F one podcast on a video game website. How long do you
guys go and soft cutoff? Yeah? Yeah, the hard the hard graft
comes from waking up at five am to watch a race every two weeks out.
Yeah, that's tough. Yeah that was this morning. Yeah, we're
coming and do it in the Sorry not okay, that's even worse. Sunday
Sunday, Sunday Sunday, that's terrible. My brain is just say, I
forgot what numbers for today, bright kids, Just DVR that thing? Yes,
do that? No, because I wanted to wake up and play doom
that. Oh I did that this morning too, and I'm gonna go do
it again tonight. Kind of finished that thing. Yeah, whoa, Hey,
it's doomed time. We're being played off here on the Giant Podcast.
We're gonna get the hell out of here. We'll see you back here again,
same time next week. Bye.