Hey, what's going on everyone? It's antimach here from anime Uproar, and
welcome to another episode of the One Piece Virgin Podcast. It's been a while
since we did an episode. We've been busy and not a lot of stuff's
been happening. Now we have five chapters to discuss, chapters one fifty four
through one thousand and fifty eight. Correct, yes, sir, and honestly,
crazy stuff is going on. Yeah, some crazy stuff. But I
will warn you guys right now Wana is over completely, by the way,
with the want To arc officially ended, so that is a big thing to
talk about. Um. I will have criticisms for the arc here, right,
So if you're one of those people. Oh so, if you're one
of those people who just wants to hear praise of One Piece and Oda,
this may not be the podcast for you, because I definitely have some serious
issues with one want To, especially how it ended personally. I don't know.
I want to say. I want to say right now that Animax is
just salty because I was right and he was wrong about and he's probably extra
salty because I was right and he was wrong about Yabto. You both were
right, and that is part of my criticism, but not even it's not
even the biggest one. It's not even the biggest one. But we'll talk
about it when we get to it. I mean, I think my biggest
criticism is that Kilo's backstory kind of sucked and I wanted so much more.
Like the fight between Kaido and MOPy was sick, but like if Yo's bay,
if Kaido's backstory was better, then the fight would have been. Honestly,
I felt like that was YouTubers just like completely for no reason, feeling
like they deserved more of a flashback. No, I agree that if you
think about every other good villain, sorry to cut you off their animaic,
every other good antagonist like dop Flamingo, like dop Flamingo stands out so much
more than me than an Emperor of the New World like Yanko fucking Kaido because
dop Flamingo's flashback was better, so it made us care about his character and
realize why he is who he is. You know, I personally was okay
with it. Plus we may get more Kida in the future, so I
don't I don't believe he's dead. I agree with you, Briggs. I
think that more of Kylo's backster. It would have been better. More of
Yamato's backster. It would have been better. Actually, if you look at
the Road to Laughtail, like extra material that we got during the big break
that was like a month long. We actually got some extra stuff that was
that Olda was planning to put in there from like Yamato's backstory and stuff like
that that didn't make it in, which we can talk about. But I
feel like if it did make it in, it would have made things a
lot more powerful and it might still come back later. Yea, but yeah,
we'll talk about it. I'm optimist. Sorry that I know we're not
going chronologically at all. If I need to get this off my chest because
goes And said it was okay, I feel like Olda Rush is nothing like
he could take two hundred and fifty chapters for Juando. Why did you make
Kylo's backstory like four pages? I wanted so much more? But anyway,
that's that's enough about that. Yeah, And I mean, I agree with
you. There were some great parts of wind old and backs or flashback old
and flashback, um the Kaido fight to Gear five. I'm on board with
the gear five. A lot of people hated that, but I thought it
was cool. I thought it was so sick. Yeah, and I thought
it was like very appropriate to the story. The buggy bro Buggy was a
controversial thing, but I'm not even against it. I think I'm so hyped
about that. I think that's amazing. Yeah. So it's like so perfectly
with the world and his character. A lot of these criticisms that other people
had, I'm not saying necessarily that I even agree with those, but there
are some stuff that I want to talk about it. I think really is
an issue. That doesn't mean that Wanno is by no means the worst heart
in one piece, but it is somewhere in the middle for me. You
know, might even say mid compared to one piece arcs. WHOA, I
don't know, man, There's so many highs that I could never put it
mid. What do you mean, so you you how many arcs in one
piece do you think are ahead of Wano in terms of quality? I can
name at least four, probably five paramount war Yes, like nothing else quickly
comes to mind. What do you mean, so you're you don't think I
like I like whole cake, I like water. Oh, that's that's pretty
far breaks. I think I think Water might be pretty low on the list.
Boys, I like, I don't get it. I love it,
No, I still loved it, Like I think it was amazing, But
I just think there's so many arts that I like better better I for sure
like and His Lobby and Marine Ford and Impel Down and Water seven more,
and then I guess I would have to really think about it if I like
any other ones more. But yeah, I I know to me is like
on the level of like Dress rosa kind of thing, like it's good and
with great moments, but it is very long and a lot of there's a
lot of detours that are would it takes that take a lot of time,
that don't necessarily pan out as much as you'd like them too. And then
there's a ton of huge things like you know, big backstories and things like
that that don't end up going. You don't end up getting them even though
you had all these chapters. So yeah, I think they're was there was
definitely issues. I think what people did need to realize when I make these
jokes is that this arc could be an eight, This arc can be an
eight to a ten, but still be made compared to the other arcs in
One Piece. Yeah, again, we're comparing with comparing this to the arcs
in One Piece. I'm not saying like, oh, well, Order to
War arc is better than this, Like no one saying better than all the
water is better than all the bleach, you know, like I'm ripping on
water, but water is better than all the bleach. So yeah, like
we're not we're not judging this by standards of other animy. We're judging this
strictly by other arts in One Piece. Dude. But it's better than Dress
Rose Bro Like it is overall. I would say it is. I would
say it is overall. But again it's not the best. We beat we
we took down too young co bro we Loofy became a young co um.
He unlocked gear five. That's great Shanks moment that we're gonna talk all that.
Oh yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to get to the
fucking Shanks moment. No. I mean, without a doubt, every one
hundred chapters in One Piece, you're gonna have like fifty or twenty five insane
moments. So when you have an arc as long as Wando, there's Odin's
fucking flashback where he's literally boiling alive holding up the rest of the character.
That was amazing. That's one of my favorite moments, and it is,
but it is precisely because of what goes and says in terms of the whole
um how much we've advanced in the story that I really dislike all the fake
outs that happened, And that's what I'm gonna be talking about later. But
if you want, we could first kind of go through I guess we can
go through the first kind of sort of fake up. Well, the first
one really was Zunesha, right, the idea of Zunesha coming to Wanna being
like yo Joy boys back and it's like, okay, well, I guess
I'll go back now, and Wanna won't be open. Now. That's not
the worst part, but it does feel kind of weird. It's like,
you're you confirmed, we're in the final saga, all this shit has happened,
and Zunesha comes and he's like, yeah, we know him from Zoh
right, so we from that arc. So it's like he's returned. Now
he's gonna do something big. He does nothing. All he does. His
whole purpose is just to say, Lufy is joy boy, all right,
I'm piecing out right. Yeah, I feel like I understand why Oda did
it, and it made sense within the arc. But it's like, I
know we're at I know you're coming from Animack. It's like it just doesn't
I can't even describe it. It's like it we're so close. It's such
a tease. Yeah, at least took out some enemy ship. This is
something else that's gonna happen, but I want to That's gonna be talked about
later, but I want to bring it up now because of Niha, because
it's related. We learned that Pluton is on Wando. M hmm. And
when Lufy learned this, he's like, oh, I don't give a shit.
It's like, okay, so why the fuck? Why the fun?
Why have we been bleeding up to Pluton for hundreds and hundreds of chapters?
If it doesn't even matter to story, you're gonna just leave it back on
Wando? Or are you saying we're gonna go or are you saying we're gonna
go back to Wando within the final saga? Again? Like what I feel
like like I feel like when Oda says I'm going to end as soon.
He really doesn't know what that means, because clearly he's not if he's still
leaving all these loose plot points like Pluton on Wano and everyone's leaving Wano,
Like why Luton's gonna be relevant? For sure? It has just better Yeah,
so how is it going to be relevant? Yeah? Right, who's
gonna be use because they're they're they're leaving Wano. Maybe black Beard, we'll
see, Well, people don't imagine that. Imagine the stupidity of Lufy leaving
an ancient weapon for a for black Beard to get. Yeah, that he
should have tried to destroy it or like, but that was just that's why
possibility. Bro. I'm not saying it's gonna be black Beard for sure.
I'm just saying it's gonna become relevant again. Better You better hope it's like
Momo or someone one of the good guys activates, like VV or SAB or
something, because imagine Lufy's stupidity in leaving Pluton there for a villain to get
it, Like, yeah, exactly, I think that might that might even
happen, Like one of the good guys might actually bring it into a key
moment in like a battle in the future or something like. That's what I'm
thinking, because I don't I don't see the whole crew going back to Wanno
to retrieve it, like that would make no sense. Oh, it's just
it's not it's not in Lufi's character or and if Lufy's not interested, then
the crew is not interested. I know you're saying at him, like it
sucks that, like it makes sense for Lufy not to care, that's who
he is. But at the same time, it's like, we waited all
these chapters, we have it confirmed that it's there. It's like, how
are we not getting any type of payoff with it? You know? And
I think it's inevitable, But it's weird because Wando's endings. I don't know
how they're going to implement it, but I feel like they have to.
Oda have to implement Pluton in some way. Yeah, because there's no after
old that freaking lead up build up, Like that's insane. Okay, but
let's talk about Green Bull because that's where we started. In chapter one fifty
fake Out Fake Out number one, we have this the long awaited reveal of
Green Bull, like he actually appears, we learned his power and all this
other stuff, and he's been teased since the reverie when we saw him in
like silhouette. You know, he's one of the new admirals. Okay,
so you know we see him. He has just wrecked the remnants of Kido's
forces, including King and Queen. He like sucked him dry using his crazy
devil fruit. Then he comes and he's confronted by like a few of the
Scabbards and they're like, we're not gonna let you attack our friends Lufien Gang,
who are still like injured and resting. So we have a few scabbards
confronting an admiral who just wrecked King and Queen by himself. Okay, um
Yamato showed up, you know, Yamato showed up. He We then reveal
his devil fruit, which is like a forest loggia, which seems weird.
It's like a forest is not an element. Personally, it looks like he's
got it awakened because it's like he's making he's controlled. I don't know,
actually maybe I'm not one hundred. That will be a paramesia. What paramesia,
but that is awakened can control the surroundings. A loggia that is the
forest is kind of weird, but okay, Like, so he can become
a forest, he can like spread foresty stuff all over himself. Interesting,
different, pretty cool. I thought he was controlling the forest around him without
even I guess he became and he planted himself in the ground. So maybe
you're right. Alida has always been creative with these, but yeah, this
is definitely creative for Loggias as far as we know. Yeah, and he
starts wrecking the scabbards, which one would expect. Then Yamato shows up and
they contributes to the fight. Cool, and so you're thinking, okay,
so this is leading up to be a pretty big clash. Momo comes in
his dragon form, Momo starts fighting as well, so you're thinking, okay,
so Green Bull, we got all this build up for Green Bull.
Now Green and Green Ball is here. He's fighting. He's obviously going to
wreck these guys. But then you know something else is going to happen that's
going to, you know, advance the story in some way. Then we
have the return of Shanks, which is like, bro, was it let's
talk? I think it was. I thought it was it was cool Shanks.
Shanks appearing at any point is cool from a fan perspective, right,
And we see that Shanks is at sea near Juano. Yeah, we see
the whole cruise there and Shanks season the motherfucking paper that Lufy is now a
yanko, and we get his reaction. They all like react like the bounty
and stuff. Yeah, they're like, whoa, this is awesome, this
is crazy all this stuff. And you would think, Okay, so after
all this time, since chapter fucking one, when when you know, he
kept saying, Shanks kept saying, when Loufy, when you become a great
pirate, I will meet you someday. He's a fucking janko. Now you
would think, okay, So it's finally time for that big meet up and
that is what's going to be um leading up to the final sag of the
story. Yo, they're meeting up again. They're reuniting after all this time,
something's gonna happen. Nope, Shanks just unleashes his conquerors, cut hockey,
scares green Bull with the hockey alone, Green Bull leaves, and Shanks
fucking leaves without meeting Lufy. What like anyone, Yes, you gotta tell
me this is good. But he ended it with let's claim the one piece,
which is like, we don't understand Shank's motivation and what he's trying to
achieve. Still it was just a little sneak peek. Yeah. And another
thing was that he was really um kype one he was what he was scaring
Green Bull? Like that was really awesome. Like that part was awesome no
matter what happens later, Like that how he shot green Bull. Now,
yes, it kind of took away from all of Green Bull's hype, but
it raised Shanks's and it was pretty awesome. So like, what was the
point of Green Bull going there just to get scared off by Shanks's hockey?
What was the point of Sank? What is the point of Shanks being there?
Well? Yeah, if if a character exists only to hype up another
character, he's not a good character, goes and that's how writing works.
No, but but it's not over, bro, Like, I'm sure green
Bull wall Okay, why the fuck was Shanks and Wuano at all? Say?
Can you explain to me why Shanks was it Wano listen, Maybe to
keep his promise when he offered to help Odin in case, like any he
needs anything. Maybe this was his way because he saved Momo and Hiori,
and he even imagined them as kids. They were just he was. He
was at sea near Juana. They didn't explain why he was where he was
going, but it ended with like, let's claim the one pieces. There's
a reason why he was sailing where he was sailing, but it was probably
not to go to Wanna. Well, if he's if he's talking to Lufy
and saying let's claim the one piece, why wouldn't he meet up with Loufy,
have the long awaited reunion and then say let's go claim the fucking one
piece together. Well, it looks like he's rivaling Loufy right now, right
because they're both they're both trying to get the one piece. Why that's not
even a complaint, But like why why? Now? Why is now the
moment like home? I feel like these uncles have been doing nothing, But
now that Lufi's close to the one piece, now it's time for Now,
it's time for Shakes to claim the one piece. Well, I I wonder,
I wonder, Yeah, but maybe it's it's time related, because wasn't
there the whole Or I agree it is time related. We know it's at
least at least to a degree time related, but it would be funny if
Shanks it's just like, Yo, this won't be interesting unless like we all
like start around the same time and then like see who wins. So he
could have got it all the time, but he's like, let's wait until
like everyone's ready and then like I'll go get it. Yeah, And some
of the crew members even like what's his name, Lucky Rue and stuff,
are like, yo, let's go meet up with Lufy and then that piece
of shit Yasap is like, yeah, I don't think I'm ready to see
up yet. It's like you, you deadbeat piece of shit. I feel
like this recently, this guy's worse than fucking Gon's father. I see what
you're saying, Animax. I feel like it's a lot of teases with a
lot a lot of a lot of payoff. It's like, you finally see
Shanks, but what did we really get from it? We finally see green
Bill, but what did we really get the only the only thing it was
just like, oh, that's cool, that's hype, but that's it,
Like it doesn't progress the story. And if Oda is serious about saying this
is the final saga, b're always gonna end soon. Clearly he's not serious,
because that's not where it's going. We finally hear about the Pluton and
confirm its location and that it exists and blah blah blah, But what did
we really get from it? We finally gets Kitto's back for backstory, but
what did we really get from it? Like I feel, I think I
just dropped it to a seven point six nine man and again, yeah,
like one Piece is awesome. Everybody we love on one Piece. That doesn't
mean that if I have some criticisms of certain parts to sorry, that doesn't
mean I don't love one Piece, But as a fan, I have to
say what I'm thinking. I also feel like Oda likes playing with fan expectations
and I think that's come across lately, And that doesn't make a story good
If you're if you're faking out fans, that doesn't make mean it's a good
story, Like he can take away from the story if you're faking out fans
at Keemo. Yeah, but like I don't, I don't. I don't
want to break everything down to like is it a quote unquote good story?
Who's to say, Like, what's a good manga is? Not necessarily a
good Well that's it, you know, not sure. But one Piece has
already been established as a great story. We've had many arcs that confirmed it,
right, so we have certain expectations of one Piece. And when we
have stuff like this, like you know, Shanks coming back after all this
time, this long awaited reunion since chapter one, Now is the time when
Lufi's a freaking yankole, like an equal of Shanks on paper, like he's
efficiently equal of Shanks? When is the better time for them to finally meet
as equals as great pirates? And then we just get this So but the
whole thing, there's one thing with Shanks is that we don't understand his motives
and what he's trying to achieve right now for the most part, right how
long are thinking? There's a lot of unknown with him. So I feel
like Oda had come up with an excuse. Oh, Bartolomeo had been covered
like causing some issues, Like yeah, what was the worst? That was
the worst excuse ever. It's like, oh, yeah, Bartolomeo and Kid
have been talking smack, we got to go take care of them first,
Yes, yes, so I think was a bad excuse he came up with
an excuse to make the reunion not happen, because clearly there's a bigger payoff
in the future. Yeah, I believe in Oda, it's like we wanted
them. He wanted to briefly show Shanks, but he has something planned for
Shanks that he can't have them meet yet. Dude, you know it's teasing.
It's teasing so that it'll be like all the better at the end of
it, because like, look, they almost met at Paramount at like Marine
Port Arc, right, they almost met Baalupile was like unconscious, right,
and then here they get even closer, like they're both conscious they both could
meet, and then they don't, And like, yeah, I think the
payoffs gonna be huge, And I think we shouldn't treat this as like a
thinnish story until we have the whole thing and then in No One good No
one is treating it as a finished story. I'm just saying it's not good
writing at this point. Your opinion, the way it is set up,
it's not good writing. I think the tea, the small teases with little
payoff is getting annoying. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, and it doesn't
necessarily make good sense. From a narrative perspective, have these two have these
teases like, Yeah, it's gonna generate hype in the community and sell manga,
no, no doubt. But that doesn't mean that it makes good sense
from the perspective of the characters, from the perspective of the world. I'm
saying. I'm speaking for me personally. If I had the choice between no
Shanks and these Shanks moments that we got, I picked these Shanks moments.
Yeah. Like, but for example, let's say like he obviously has something
planned for Shanks. But just because he has something from plan for Shanks and
he can't show it yet, it's like, should he just not show Shanks
at all? Should just not like show him for another five hundred chapters?
But that's the thing for Shanks, then then older should stop saying this is
the final saga, This is gonna end within the next year or two,
like all this other stuff that he's not saying it's gonna He's had the last
saga. The last saga could last a decadela. I'm pretty sure there was
an application like somewhere he said like two years, I think, so it
clearly doesn't feel that way at all. So in that case, then we
shouldn't have that expectation that it's gonna end soon because he doesn't feel like it.
Like if you can't even at this point have the reunion happen between Shanks
and Lufy with obviously still many things unresolved still, then you know how how
I don't think it's not gonna end in five years. I don't think there's
any year time limit. I just think we're on the last saga, which
if if you just look at Alabasta as a saga, you know many arcs
were in there. It was fucking like five arcs in there, right,
So imagine five arcs with the current story that we're having right now, five
arcs could be fucking ten years or five years, no exactly, That's what
I'm saying. So like saga shouldn't you shouldn't think like this is gonna be
short because it's a saga. It could be like super long arcs. It
could be the last. Just because we we are in the last saga,
we shouldn't expect the payoff immediately, you know, I think I think though,
go ahead, I think rafts around draft and the child. Do I
really think MHA is ending? This year, like Bro, at this point,
it might as well. At this point, it might as well like
that bubble ed edge shot shit like Bro, just I don't want to talk
about that, because Bro, no matter what happened in wad oh it's towers
above m Bro, Animac needs an edge shot replant or whatever they're called transplants.
Also, we found out of this chapter, this is all one chapter,
we found out that Sambo killed Cobra. Yeah that's so now we finally
know why. And I actually theorized about this very thing, saying that this
is what happened because people were like, someone died at um at the Revere
East, someone was kidnapped, and then there was the whole thing where people
were like really upset about Sabo in particular. So people were speculating, oh,
maybe Sabo died, And I was like, no way, Sabo dies
after what happened to Ace and Sabo was like his successor, that wouldn't make
sense. Oh, and then I was like, no way VV dies because
she's gonna be important later. I'm in my opinion, she's going to be
important to Pluton because of her Nefertari bloodline, but also because we've established her
as a sort of you know, extra straw hat. So I was like,
King Cobra died and Sabo is gonna be framed for it, and he's
also going to be framed for kidnapping VV and that is exactly what ended up
happening. Wait, so you repeat that you knew Cobra was gonna was gonna
die. Yeah. So what I was saying in previous videos before this was
revealed is that what I think happened at the Reverie is Cobra was killed,
Sabo will be blamed, and Vvy will be kidnapped by Sabo. Dude,
I had no idea props like that's That's exactly why. That's pretty impressive,
bro. But we honestly, we obviously don't think. Honestly, great call,
by the way, but at this point, based off what we see,
none of us think that it was really Sabo, right Oh no,
no, no way, yeah no. The only thing that I'm saying the
world government, let's blame it on the Revolutionary Army. They were there.
Yeah, I definitely don't think it was Sabo. But at the same time,
like I was way more hyped that Sabo became the Flame Emperor that I
was sad about the Cobra news, and I knew that probably Cobra would be
the one to die because he's the least He's gonna be the least missed,
let's be real. And so what I think happened was the Celestial Dragons were
going to kill both Cobra and VV because they were too close to the secret
of Pluton or something like that. Sabo managed to say VV, but he
didn't say Cobra, and then he fled. And then because they saw Sabo
there and the revolutionaries were already were known to have attacked the reverie, They're
like, oh, well, what a convenient scapegoat. We're just gonna blame
Sabo for killing Cobra, and we're not gonna say we did it because he
was technically the world You think it, You think it's the world government that
killed for there's for some specific reason. It's not just for fun. Yeah,
it's because he's just a king bro. Yeah, we don't even Cobra
kind of connects with everyone, right, Like it connects with the Revolutionary army,
connects with Pluton, connects with Lufy like it's um, it's a he's
a definitely a connector because he's baby's father, and we even specifically, I
feel like it probably had to be someone who could who could imitate Sab,
Right, why or would they? Would they with no nobody's seeing Sabo do
anything? Actually, Pin, Well, you could it could be an imitation,
or they could have just you know, manipulated the news to say Sabo
did it, like they've been manipulating information for centuries. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm just wondering why why dragon would like take it so seriously if there wasn't
like some eyewitnesses or some ship Well maybe they were thinking, oh, Sabo's
reputation and the revolutionaries reputation suffers, like he killed this guy who wasn't a
bad guy or something. But we know that it definitely didn't work. At
least in the countries that are currently in revolt against the world government. Sabo
is being held up as a hero and the flame emperor and all this other
stuff. Right, so he has been he's being celebrated. Yeah, he
should be celebrated rather than being demonized vilified. Yeah, and I feel like,
so that's another reason why maybe it wasn't the World government. But but
we'll see, it could have been for well, we know one hundred percent
it wasn't Sabo because we know Cobra wasn't a bad guy. Yeah, I
agree, I think it wasn't Sabo either. I'm just and we just didn't
know about it. I'm just surprised. Dragon is like, we need to
figure this out, as if he's not sure that Sabo is fine. That
that's the confusing part to me. Well, maybe he lost contact with Sabo
when Sabo had to go into hiding or something, So maybe that's what before
exactly we don't know their relationship. Yeah, they could have had something happened
between the two of them that like hasn't been made public. Head, So
what do you think, guys, is sabut hooking up with v or what
those lonely Knights at sea? For sure? I mean I don't care about
that ship, but sure, Also a Kinu bro, what was the whole
point of green Bull like going out of his way to defy a Kindu's orders
only to get like scared shitless by Shanks's hockey dude? To be fair though,
I will say, to be fair though, he did say if Kaido
was here, he wouldn't have come. And now you have someone who's arguably
stronger than Kaido show up, so it completely makes sense that he'd leave based
on that earlier comment, I will say that, dude, when when Kido
showed up, he stopped the war. So this this, this, this
doesn't make sense. Ye Shanks Shanks. Yeah, oh yeah, when Shanks
showed up, he stopped the war. So not Kido then he stopped the
war. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like doesn't make sense. It just
well at least he didn't it make it makes the Green Bowl reveals so much
less. Yeah. Yeah, I totally like screwed there, and right now
in my thinking, he's like the admirals are like almost irrelevant if that's their
power compared to like Dianco A kindue though, is like definitely well yeah he's
the Grande was still hype, Yeah, the fleet admiral um. Yeah.
And by the way, at least Shanks and Marine Ford showed up in person.
He didn't do it from like off the coast of the island like long
distance hockey drop Broe, literally long distance. He didn't even have to get
off his ship. Yeah, let's go on. Then even didn't even change
course to wherever they were going. The reason I think it happened just story
wise, is because they did spend a lot of time kind of like in
the flashbacks with Shanks and like Momo and Hioiti and like developing that their relationships
and with Odin as well, Shanks and Odin, and I feel like it
would have been weird if Shanks didn't in some way help Odin's kids as well.
Yeah, but again, like the long distance thing, I wasn't a
fan of, like what's gonna be the final fight, like Shanks from one
end of the world, just like Hockey battling Imusama from the other end of
the world. Just this this was this was after the climax, right,
So yeah, it's not like we were expecting like this huge payoff in a
sense because we just had some craziness. So I think I'm more okay with
like Shanks not just jumping into another crazy fight right after loof he finished a
crazy fight. Bro. Yeah, but don't blue ball. Don't blue ball
me with Shanks. Bro, But imagine how much you'll climax. What did
it actually happens? Bro? But apparently he was also there to promote um
Red. That's a lot of people are no I know, Yeah, exactly
which is also like it's always an issue. Like the entire anime season of
MCHA. The last one was ruined because they wanted to promote the movie,
so they completely switched the like the actual order of the arcs and it was
a disaster. Oh my God, keeps taking so funny. If he's like,
listen, Green Bull watch movie Red, it's the only way to defeat
me is to learn the truth about about my daughter and the fact that she's
been here the whole time. Yeah, you just didn't see her. Bro
anyway, the other the other bigger Sorry one second, I was gonna say
that it goes and I'm like, sometimes my favorite things are the things that
happened between arcs because we get all these reveals in this information. It still
is, Yeah we didn't we got we got the Cross Guild with talk about
Yes, we got a lot of great stuff, but go ahead, animals.
So another bigger real that we get in chapter one fifty five, which
is the same chapter where at the end Shanks used the hockey on Green Bull
into scare Moth. Right, um so, because we're kind of going talking
about it at the same time as we're talking about the previous chapter. But
Basically, we got the reveal that Pluton is on Wanno, and in fact,
there's an Old Wano beneath the sea that was abandoned when the walls were
erected to you know, close off Wanna from the rest of the world.
And then Nuuano is just like a smaller part on the around the mountain mum
Fuji Mountain, and Old Wano is like bigger and apparently Pluton is somewhere on
top of Old Wuano. So that made me think, is Wanno itself some
kind of like floating island weapon and Old wan and to kind of landed on
top Old Wana in order to hide it until the time is right. That
was my kind of thinking when I got that revealing. But it was a
pretty cool reveal. It almost reminds me about Talk on Titan in some ways.
For those of you who are familiar with to Talk on Titan, I
can't really picture what you just described. It's like I need to reread that,
Like what are you saying. So there's you're saying there's Old Wanna underwater,
yes, and then there's Pluton on Old Wannam, and then the part
that's above water is only a small portion of wanna Yeah, the part the
part that's actually above sea level or one one high mountain. Yeah, it's
like around that one mountain mount Fujie like the area. So that's a that's
the image we get in one thousand and fifty five. So it's pretty crazy
when you think about it. M hmm. And we know the wandos.
I mean, Pluton is supposed to be this great battleship, so could it
be like a floating island battleship, like a giant turtle that has wand one
new Wanda on its back like that was again one of theories of that,
because I'm doing a lot of theories on the channel because I do think this
is a very cool reveal, depending on how it's handled, of course,
but again, well we don't know because we don't get the opening of one
or yet. Someone just said I want to see my boy Cariboo. I
feel like sort of a little bit random. I feel like Cariboo is gonna
be like spill information about the Pluton to like Blackbeard or someone. Oh yeah,
so does show up? Certain Cariboo does show up? Yeah? Yeah,
Um, what chapter's done and is done in this chapter or the next
one, I don't know. I saw Cariboo, and I think it might
be this one in the sense that he says, first Poseidon and now this
a certain someone's gonna want this information. Oh yeah, that's right. I
actually kind of forgot about that. Sometimes by like, theories are just what
they said. Bro. Imagine like, if Cariboo is watching this, he's
gonna I realize he specifically said that someone needed the information, so funny or
someone It's interesting. This theory came to me in a dream, man like,
Bro, you read the chapter. That's amazing. I don't make one
piece content for the most parts. I used like read it in bed and
I'm like, all right, I'll review it for for one piece virgin.
I guess eventually, well, I make one piece content. Check it out.
Actually my chattel today, let's go nice. I forgot about that.
Actually, I keep on contradicting myself. We're all a contradiction. It's all
good. Yeah, So, so what's his name? Cariboo appears at the
Next Job, chapter one fifty six, and he says, Pluton is in
Wuano. First Besidon. Now this I gotta let a certain someone know about
this that's specifically what he says that the most like teasing way to say.
And then there was certain there was also something about it wasn't then kids say
something about a certain someone who would burn marks? Yes, yes, kid,
the kid did? Uh yeah, like where is that? Don't know
who? There was another like the man with the burn marks? Yeah,
there was another person teased that a lot of people were thinking about. Who
is this guy beat on the burn marks guy? Mm hmm, trying to
figure out where that is in the chapter? But I don't know. Is
it Odin's dad? Oh yeah, But by the way, guys, Odin's
dad is alive and he's that old dude. He's the one that reveals the
secret of one of the best thing. The best thing about that reveal was
fucking Kidama's reaction. It was fucking beautiful. That was funny. That's fucking
Odin's dad. Why I want to suck? Yeah? That that reveal was
also very underwhelmed in my opinion. Yeah, as you noticed by the fact
that I quickly forgot about it until you know, but I mean, he
who cares about Odin Odin's that? I agree, it's underwhelming, but it's
just it's just something that happened. No, but it's kind of like he
was just there to hold time and no one fucking knew. Yeah, everyone
knew, didn't didn't everyone know? Except everyone knew? So even Odo was
poking fun. It's like, okay, this no, but obviously obviously um
Kaido didn't know it, and you would think yes, yes, like they
would have killed him if they knew. No, they probably didn't know.
But I'm just saying, like it wasn't supposed to be this big, like,
holy shit, it was Odin's dad the whole time. It wasn't supposed
to be like that kind of review, I guess. I mean it definitely
very underwhelming. All I created was one funny moment, and he was there.
He was there to let them know about the pluton that nothing happened with
it. Yeah. Yeah, so he was also a plot device, so
there you go. Oh yeah. They could also just made him not exist
to make like Robin read upon and glyph him like it's here exactly exactly,
and that's that's that's so many. That's the thing. I feel like Wanto
has so many unnecessary characters that created this gigantic arc that didn't need to be
so big. The characters could have been involved. It just they could have.
I wish Moore came from them. You know. At the very end
of ten fifty six is when Kids says, um Killer says, we're going
to have to put all our strength into this task if we want to take
part into all out war over the one piece, and then kids like,
what you mean finding the man with the burns car? That's not enough to
go on? And then Lukey's like, what man with the burnscar? What?
And then he's like, you don't know, Kids like you don't know
how it sounds like we've got the advantage, and it's like, what man
with the burns car? What? What? What does this mean? What
is this? I'm actually not sure do you have any theories voice there?
I'm just gonna lest some guys with burns cars. There is KOs On and
is Sabo. But I feel like it would have said, um, don't
you think me unless he didn't want to tell Lufi. I don't think no,
exactly, I don't think kid. And he might not even know yet.
He might just know it's a burned man, right, He might not
know who it is. I'm just giving some possibilities, but probably probably is
becoming relevant now because, as we'll see in coming chapters, he actually calls
we had the Den Den Muccio whatever we call it. He actually makes a
call um so his voice is heard or rather seen because it's a manga.
Yeah exactly, And obviously we got the whole thing with him being now with
the flame emper right, so he is becoming more relevant. That's why I
got a video coming out on Sabo within the next yeah week or to me
check it out an ampro. He's he's the next He's the next fifth Emperor
in my opinion, Like that's the way I view it. Well, yeah,
they call Hi a flame member, Um, then we anything else on
this because basically what's happening now is kid Law and Lufi're like, our alliance
is over. We're all going to go our separate ways now and look for
the one Piece and so on and so on. And they also have that
let me just interrupt there with with what happens right there. They also have
that moment that like they always do in One Piece, where it's like,
yeah, and if we meet each other, then we're gonna fight each other
and someone will probably get killed. Next time I see you will be enemies,
no, yeah, and then Chopper is like all right, by Traffy.
Yeah, as if anyone's gonna be like, oh yeah, you know,
Lucy's not gonna go fight Law and Kid instead of Blackbeard or the world
government. You know it's gonna be It's just like something. It's just like
something they say because I remember bugs and bugs, but I'm saying bugs.
Buggy and Shank said that to each other as well, and then when they
met they were like super friendly and sometimes arguing, like in a friendly way
and like they definitely are not gonna fight each other. Yeah, it's just
a pride thing where it's like I don't want to let you guys know that
I actually like you guys and that we teamed up to achieve a goal because
I achieve my own ambitions by myself. I'm a pirate and like it.
I don't know, it's it's just they all have their own ambition to become
the one piece. They're all chasing the one piece, right. It's like,
so working together is not it's in their interest sometimes, but they don't.
Their pride stops them from away. Yeah, and I mean that's fine,
that's just their character. Um. Then we had the big reveal about
the Cross Guild, which is like, we already knew that Buggy obviously was
the fourth Emperor, now Janko the genius Jester Buggy, and now it was
confirmed that Sir Crocodile and Dracol Mihawk are under Buggies direct command. For sure,
that's what it is. At least anyway, they joined forces in some
way, and we even learned that Buggy has now put out his own bounties
for the Marines. So the way that the Marines have been putting out bounties
for pirates and criminals, Boggy reverse you knowed them, and put out rewards
for capturing marines, which is hilarious. I thought it was great, possibly
lost possibly my favorite idea in one piece. Yeah it is. It is
such a one I respected a lot. I think that's brilliant. I want
to hear Briggs what what were we gonna say? You love? What?
What do you love about them? Because Buggy is one of my favorite characters,
and I think it just this the ongoing theme of him like just not
being strong but like being in the right place at the right time, and
media mixing things up because he used to be on like Goldie Roger's Ship and
stuff like that, Friends with Shanks. I just I just fucking I love
everything to do with these chapters that involve Buggy in the Cross Guild. Yeah,
like you said, just him putting out bounties for the means and him
actually having a following of these strong people that love him, like obviously me
Hawk and Crocodile, Like it's just like, oh, now it's convenient.
They could already happen because of your your minions, but he genuinely has a
following of super strong people that absolutely love Buggy. Yeah. Yes, And
I mean you guys know, if you've been following this podcast, you know
that at the beginning when Buggy was introduced in like what was it Orangetown?
Was that the arcs name? I thought he was just like a one time
stupid villain. And yet he keeps coming back, bro, he keeps coming
back, and it's such a meme. And I Knox thought, like Knucks
was so excited when the Encore reveal happened, like he was like he couldn't
believe it, Like it's one of his favorite memes of all time for one
piece. So yeah, I mean Buggy is a big deal. It's it's
definitely a controversial yes. So again, there are because yeah, go ahead,
there are people who believe that Buggy being made into a junko for essentially
a meme is cheapening the title of Yanko and it makes the story look silly,
like the story has always had jokes, obviously, but they're saying that
this is going too far and it's taken away the realism of this struggle,
you know, four to one piece, the struggle of pirates's marines, the
title of Yankole, this stuff is being cheapened by taking this meme so far.
I don't personally agree. I do think this is old a style,
and I do think that Buggy has his strengths. They're not necessarily physical,
but he has some diplomatic strength and a lot of luck which allows him to
bring people together in a way that other people couldn't. So I do think
Buggy has his strength Loki. But I mean, I do understand where that
criticism is coming from. Yeah, yeah, I agree, and I think
I think that it does make what being a Yanko is meanless in a sense,
and I think it does make Bounty is like in our minds as readers
like, now all of a sudden, bounties aren't what they used to represent.
Perhaps Uncle isn't what it used to it's the same ship. I do
think, I do know. I think it's not. I think it's completely
not. And I think that it's because it's normal because once you even even
the pirate King seemed like this untouchable, stoic badass, and then we've got
to know him, and he was like a guy who joked around and stuff
like that. I think it's part of the process. Once you get there,
it suddenly doesn't seem as crazy as when you were reaching for it.
The bounty system and the juncle system has always been a clout thing. It's
basically like, it's like the following that you have and the people that you
lead, and of course usually you have to be really strong to achieve those
things. Don't tell me it wasn't a sign of strength. Do not tell
me that people didn't think. But it's not a direct it's not the only
thing that matters. It's not the someone could have a higher bounty than someone
else just because he has stronger people on his crew, or because they're a
little bit more violent. Lufie could be way stronger than someone. But if
someone that's slightly weaker than him is more violent and is killing people in ravaging
towns, his bounty is gonna be higher. Yeah, it's based on your
actions and the people that follow you. And up to this point though,
Briggs, all the uncle have been extremely strong, but yeah, the strongest
pirates. Buggy has fooled unintentionally fooled the world into thinking he is on par
with someone like Shanks, with someone above. Yeah, I think that's amazing,
Like it's it's funny, but also like it makes it means less,
but it means less, Like it can't. It cannot mean less when you
have it is ready to lick lick shoes. I disagree. The world government
thinks that he is stronger than them, so it doesn't mean less. No,
it's not like, it's not like, it's not like that. It's
not like the world government knows that, or these people that made these bounties
know that, or even the world in general know that Buggy's kissing there.
It doesn't matter who knows, because we know. Yeah, to us,
the readers, Briggs, it clearly means less. No, I just I
disagree well, you know, it just is like because the world got from
the reason they gave him that bounty is because they think he is that strong.
So in order to get a bounty, you have to at the very
lead. No, he's not that strong. We know he's not fucking Whitebeard
Briggs. So to us, it's cheapens. Okay, it doesn't cheapen it
at all to me. To me, I'll just say Lufy should have a
higher bounty. And and he's he's been ripped off for sure. And yeah,
and people who are saying, like, there's people who are saying the
reason why Lufy doesn't have a bigger bounty is because the world government doesn't want
people to like focus too much on Lufy and to see what kind of threat
he is. It's like, bro, then they wouldn't have made him fucking
Yon with a three billion bounties. It would have made his bounty to be
fair, to be fair, to be fair. Um, we don't know
who makes my uncle. It might be it might be Morgan's, it might
not be them. Beyond that, they have said that they wanted to minimize
the impression of him, which is why they freaked out when they figured out
they unleashed the actual Gear five version of him rather than the normal version of
him. And so I do think that that's a fair theory that. Yeah,
but he's still like top ten bounties of all time for sure, but
he should be number one in my opinion, just because of what that represents,
the Sun god Nika, and it's the it's the exact enemy of the
world government and their worst nightmare. So if they were being honest, I
think it would be much higher. All right, Well, we have talked
about the tragedy, the tragic, heartbreaking part of this chapter where we learned
that Carrot will not become a straw hat. Guys, is this so sad?
After I'm gonna have to drop the series yet apparently becomes a Queen of
Zoo or some shit, she's gonna become the Queen of Zoe. That was
such that, Okay, that was the only part where I was like,
why the fucker? Mass like, yeah, because that was the part where
I was like I didn't get it. Yeah, because a lot of a
lot of the people that would take the role aren't going back to z Yeah,
they're gonna stay. But they even said she's not the strongest. Yeah,
isn't she like fifteen or something like she's even the youngest. She doesn't
have seniority over there. She doesn't seem like she's smart or strong. To
me, I feel like this was like a being like, don't be upset
that she's not gonna be a straw hat. At least she's gonna be the
leader of something, you know, like, But at the same time,
it's like, I don't think she really should have been the leader of guys.
Do we do? We know kid in Lawsnian bounties, Yeah, yeah,
we do, and they're three million, the same as Luther three billion.
Yeah, Lucie should be high. Yeah, exactly. It's ridiculous,
not even just because of what you said, goes in how either directs like
opponents to like beats. They teamed up to be big mom. So I
think I just based off of what has currently happened in that fight, he
should be higher. But then also with the sun got Nika fruit and like
everything going on, he deserves the higher mount I mentioned. But that's why
they made him. But that's why they made him. Yeah again, I
don't know who makes kle on a less tragic note was hot again, So
there you go yo Yo. I gotta gotta say that was surprising that she
doesn't have any wrinkles or anything, but like, I'm always down for more
hot female character god like like instant LPO suction. Yeah, talk about like
Mills, bro Anna Mac you got a new one? Yeah, I do
see. That's why, that's why that's the silver lining. And now we
have to talked about Yamato, who is also not joining the crew after all
that fucking dzing brov was unreal. Bro. I I in the video right
before when she was like I'm going to meet up with the straw Hats.
Yeah, that was the end of one chapter, and I'm like, we
still don't know, guys until they leave with her, like they leave Wano
with her, we don't know. And then and then people to chat,
like some people the comments were like, bro, what are you talking about?
She's in. She's in. Yeah. So that's that's not even my
biggest problem with Yama. That was the biggest um I guess fake out.
But my biggest problem is that we didn't learn about her backstory and we didn't
resolve the whole I'm Kozuki odin shit and that I feel like it's something that
should have been resolved in Wano because it was such an Wano thing. Um
we like, I agree, I agree. Maybe Oda really wanted to move
on to like other stuff and he's like, Yamato is still gonna be relevant
for future fights. Yeah, but like the whole personal character thing because so
back to that road to Laftel the extra material there, we saw some scenes
sketches of scenes that Oda was intending to include but didn't end up including,
of like Yamato kind of like age let's say teen or preteen, so between
the age of when she sees oh od and die and the age that we
meet her, and she actually says stuff like she hates being referred to as
a man because it is what her father is forcing everyone to do, to
refer to her as young master in like a male way because she's not a
man. But because Kaido hates Kida doesn't believe that a woman can be a
ruler, he is being forcing her to be treated as his son. And
I thought that was a really interesting dynamic because that's something that I was kind
of theorizing. I think that the whole Kozuki Odin thing came about because she
was being forced to be a man and then she's like, okay, well,
if you're gonna force me to become a man, father, I will
be the man you fear the most, Kozuki Odin. So it's it's like
I thought that that's where the character was going, right, and yeah,
and I thought that's where the character was going that we're going to resolve that
in this arc, and that would have been great, but we never ended
up getting to it. And then of course you have the whole debate of
people are like on the Twitter crew are like, bro, it's she's a
trans character, and by not if you even talk about it, it's because
you don't want trans representation stuff like that. Bro, we have trans representation
in this very arc with Kiku, right. Trans people don't go up to
random kids they don't know and be like, I'm your father, Kozuki Odin,
like that's it's not obviously that's not just what's going on here? Like,
what's going on here? Apparently they did that the completely scrapped idea at
amac the stuff in the in the in the Road to Laughtail it is not
cannon. Yeah, I know, I know, so would it didn't include
it? I'm saying he didn't include it, but that's what I'm saying.
That to me would have been interesting. It's like, let's explore this whole
thing. But it's not. It could it could have literally been both.
It could have apparently would have changed his mind, but it could have been
both. Yeah, if we would have been just like a it's a trans
thing, then let's resolve the codin part, because that's obviously not a part
of you know, people who are trans don't think that they're a certain person
who is dead and that they're the father of their children, right, Like
that doesn't make sense. So I just wanted to see that resolve, but
it never ended up being resolved. At this point, Yamato is still going
on this whole I am Odin. I wonder I well, now she were
all my bad um Now they referred to themselves as like the son of Kido
in this most recent chapter, I'm pretty sure, or one of the more
more recent chapters, like what's it called? Yamato didn't say I am Kazuki
odin In like the most recent one to green Bull. Wow, yeah,
okay, so but we do have the most recent was was Yamato saying,
are you talking to me, what Knamoto is talking about odin? Yeah,
exactly, So it's still not resolved, Like it's still not resolved at all.
I wonder if Oda. I wonder if Oda was scared about getting canceled
and just like oversimplified it because like obviously Yamato like literally literally said Anamie,
I can't go into the woman's bath with you, right, Like, but
again, if Yamato believes she is Kozuki Odin the person, then yeah,
she would still say that. But like that's not a simple that's not a
simple trans situation, right, So it's like I feel like it's just resolved,
like Yamato could be trans, but they could have also made more depth
and actually given us than a reveal what the whole Kazuki odin and why thing?
Yeah, And I think that I just think I just think it would
have been way better to just resolve the whole Kozuki Odin part in Wano because
it just seems like a wan O thing, like, Okay, maybe Yamato
will come back later and it's like I resolve these issues while traveling through on
or something. But I feel like it would have been better to have done
it in real time, on screen and not off screen and just be like,
oh yeah, well now I know that I am this or that,
right. I wonder if if it's just gonna be an ongoing joke and Oda
doesn't really care about like flashing out every character or you know what I mean.
Yeah, but y'all want to see that's not a joke. That's a
bad writing, Like if you introduce the character, and if you introduce the
character and don't add things like I like like you don't add interesting characters.
Listen, they like um there, it can be stuff that changes. I
do think y'amato's change since the beginning. But maybe that part will just be
an ongoing joke. That's that's what I'm saying. Oh man, again,
it's not it's not even relate y'all want to joining the crew or not.
I'm just saying that it should have been resolved in some way, because yeah,
if Oda makes it into this joke where it's like, uh, is
y'all want to trans? Y'all want to trans? Like is, it's gonna
be the worst of all worlds because everyone's gonna be mad. It's not even
just like pick aside and say something. Then some people might be mad.
It's like, no, that's not what I picture Yamato as or whatever,
but let's move on. But no, this is just gonna make everyone mad,
and we don't get that satisfying character progression that I feel like we wanted
to see from Yamato, because either way, whether Yamato's a trans character or
not, you want to see this hold and thing resolved in a way that
feels satisfying. And it's almost like if it ends up being that the stuff
from Road to Laughtail is true and Yamato was forced to identify as male as
a child, then it's like, am I is she still dealing with this
trauma or is she now accepting what Kaido wanted? Or you know, you
know what is going on? Right? Like that's so I wish we knew
it just from a perspective of a character. It turns out the Yamato won't
be as important as we thought. Obviously Yamata didn't join the crew, so
we'll be fine in terms of you know, it's not gonna be like a
lingering thing that every time out to you like what the fuck with this olden
shit? It's not gonna get that old But I still feel like from her
from the character perspective, it would have been better to just resolve it and
then we know you would feel like whatever. It was just like the like
so like I would have had these plans and then the fans just like flipped
out and there was so much bullshit about well Yamato joined the crew? Is
Yamato trends? Is Yamato have some identity like identity disorder with thinking that Yamato
was literally Kazuki Odin like what is this like like he maybe he had some
plans and then the fans flipped out and he's like, now you guys getting
out of it. Yeah, and this will make no one happy. Olda
never planned that Yamato join And that's true by the fact that the fruit that
Yamato eight is the guardian deity of Wyando fruit, and because of that,
I knew yam That's what I was initially saying as well. I didn't think
Yamato was gonna leave because of that, but then as time went on,
I'm like, oh, maybe Yamuto will leave. I did. I did
tell that. My My original call was that Yamato was going to stay there
or liked do other stuff. But I'm kind of sad, like I'm I'm
happy I was right, but I'm sad that Yamato didn't join because, yeah,
my theory. Another my theory was that you know, what we got
and rode to Laftail would end up being true and that we would get that.
In Wano, Yamato reveals that identifying as koa kodin was part of the
trauma, being forced to act and identify as a man, you know,
or because of Kaido's whole misogyny stuff, and then kind of getting over that
would have been part of Yamato joining the crew, kind of like throwing that
stuff behind her and joining the crew and kind of moving on with her life.
But that didn't end up happening. And what you guys say are saying
about the whole Guardian stuff makes sense, But I just I wish we had
a more satisfying character development because Yamato clearly has lingering issues. And again this
could be part of the lack of Kaido backstory too, because clearly there are
issues between Kido and Yamato and the whole Coo Gilden situation that just haven't been
explored enough, and it's like, why do we are we gonna care two
hundred chapters from now if Yamato comes back because I can't remember those issues from
Kido and like, who hasn't been relevant for two hundred pops? Well now
it's result like dude, twohndre chapters from now, Yamato is gonna pull up
and be like I've owed him again and like help Lufia a fight against black
Beard. Oh my god. And the problem is bro that everybody will like
say there always be always be someone to say that it wasn't enough, you
know what I mean? And I feel like I feel like enough right now
to say to say what enough is? You know what I mean? I
don't know. You can never make everyone happy. Yeah, I'm still not
happy. Fair enough breaks. I think we're still gonna get some jokes of
like Momo being like Yamato, you're my father, hug me, hug me,
if you know what I mean. Yeah, I love their bond.
I think I think their bond has been um built up. And that's another
reason I didn't think Yamato would leave. And yeah, I think it's gonna
continue to grow. They're gonna be no, Yeah, there is I feel
like there will be some resolution to this whole Cosaquiota situation because Yamato is obviously
not but no, seriously, guy, they sleep together, they sleep together,
and then and then Yamato is like, ob your father, Oh no,
oh no, oh my god. Anyway, yeah, I do think
there will be a resolution, but I wish it's probably gonna end up happening
off screen and Yamata will just say, oh, well, this is what
I concluded, right, which is kind of like not as satisfied as I
would have wanted it, because I like that issue is part of WANO that
should have been resolved in WANO. But yeah, we'll see what happens anyway.
That's it's one of my chrismas. Obviously Yamata is not the most relevant
part certainly of these chapters or WANO, but it was just one of the
things where I felt it was kind of like a tease and then fake out
mythic and it was. It was a great mythical zone fruit and I was
very hyped by the idea of having a mythical zone on the crew. But
then Lufi turned out to be mythical zone. So I'm happy either way,
m h. And yeah, so basically we see in this chapter in one
thousand and fifty seven we see the three ships. So from the three crews
kid lawn a Lufi departing Wano um Wano has gone down. And then we
had the here controversy. What the oh I didn't even know about this?
What happened yokudo Zumi was born to burn on? Guys? Well, yeah,
you told me about it. Yeah, you read the chapter. What
do you mean I told you about it? No, you you told me
about the controversy because I read the chapter, but I didn't know there was
a controversy. Yeah. So at the end of formally where Juana formally ends,
at the end of chapter one fifty seven, I guess um, there's
like a performance by Hioi, like a musical performance where you know, everyone
celebrating the fact that Orochi was burned. It's almost like a play being reenacted.
And then Hioi at some points says kudo Zumi was born to burn and
and like, you know, like the effigy is burned of of Orochi,
And then people were like, no, he already supports genocide against the kudo
Zumi the whole Yeah, no, it happened, of course, dude.
It did cross my mind though that it's like, I mean, they're saying
they are saying kud right, It wasn't like, yeah, that is stupid.
I think it was. It should have been Orochi was born to burn,
as aunt was born to boil. That's what they were going for.
But that's Oldin didn't say Kozuki was born to boil. He said odin because
that's the word, right, The food that boils is odin. So he
said Oldin was born too. So they should have said Orochi was born to
burn because that is what how he met his end and what he deserved.
And yeah, it's saying the kol Klan kind of makes it seem like,
okay, well, yeah, the Kudozumi hated the Kozuki because the Kozuki were
like that towards them, and in a story is also like ku kudo Zumi
means charcoal. Yeah, exactly like it was. It was the reference to
what Chi said to Odin. And it's fucking how how Rochi died. It's
like a three, it's perfect, It's actually perfect. Yeah. The problem
is, yeah, the problem is that kudo Zumi is the name of the
klan rather than give a person right means charcoal according to people. I don't
know Japanese, so it makes sense in that literal sense, just like Odin
was weren't to boil. It makes sense. But yeah, people were just
so mad. It's really a triple fat threat perfection. And I don't get
Hollywood Hollywood movie kind of like situation where it works perfectly. But if you
just do think about, like the message of the story, it's like,
that's that's that's not what she's saying. I literally know what you say.
You're you are You guys are taking it out of context with the context of
the story. She's referring to a roach. Why would she say the last
name. I don't because oh I wanted to make a funny joke because it
says charcoal. I'm just saying, bro, I'm using my critical thinking skills
that I used in university. I'm just saying, okay, bro, using
the university card. Come on. I'm just say but but like I didn't
take it seriously. I didn't. I didn't get upset. It was just
supposed to be like a dramatic thing. It's funny though, because it is.
Its hilarious and it is hilarious. It is. Again, it's hard
to kind of compare the grammatical nuances of Japanese and English. All we do,
all we have is the official English translation, and it says kudo Zumi
was born to burn, So it could be Outochi Kutozumi was singular born to
burn, in a sense that sometimes often Japanese people referred to someone by their
last name someone they don't know that well, right, um, However,
you could also say the Kutuzumi clan singular was born to burn. It's not
the kudo Zums were born to burn, but still yeah, and they all
like every living character and the present sucked, right, All Kutozumi is we're
bad people, you know that. We know, Yeah, theoretically, theoretically
that we're bres breaks. Let's just let's just dance in the gray area.
We don't need the over extremes. Yeah, but getting mad over this is
stupid. And you actually, if you guys look at her headband. Oh
my god, you guys see that Swastica banned the entire series. Look look
at the clothing she's wearing. Those are not flowers. Those are not flowers.
Let's not pull that. Those are not flowers, brigs. Please do
not ban one piece. That That is all I have to say. Bro,
people could people could like get away with some shit like that, like
if enough losers on Twitter got mad, like you could actually have like Viz
putting out an official statement or something. That's how cowardly these companies are.
Only if he already like actually had a swastica. Like no, but it
doesn't matter because this swastika is a symbol in Buddhism, right, Nie had
a swasta? No, I know, I know, but like it didn't
he have it the reverse way? Though? It doesn't matter because swasticas can
be in different ways, right, So that's the thing. The Nazi swastika
is is different slightly from other swastikas. But people see a swaska and they
don't realize. Always it's in this angle, it's turned like this. They
don't know they're just a Swastica had a swastika and that's why he was born
to burn. Yeah, the whole White Beard Pirates, isn't it. The
White Beer Pirates symbol is swastica. But then they changed in Gamma or something.
I don't remember, Yeah, I remember, I don't think. I
don't think it's the official symbol for the white Beard Pirates. I think that's
just the way he did it. And it was a symbol of like,
I don't know, peace or whatever it is in Buddhism. I thought white
Beard had one as well, and then they changed it to a cross.
I don't I don't know that white Beard did. Honestly, the chat isn't
open in front of me, but the chat and yeah, the swastika is
an ancient symbol from both Hindu and Buddhist cultures, and it was appropriated by
the Nazis because they thought it was like a cool so occultist symbol. Goes
and Chat did say that apparently it used to be white beards, jolly Roger,
I used to have something with it. Oh, interesting cool. Yeah,
I'm glad I learned that. So they changed in the manga too,
Yeah, not just they change it everywhere, like going. I think in
the old chapter you can probably find it, I don't know. Yeah,
And that's the thing. In Eastern countries like Japan, the swanska does not
have the connotation of only being like associated with the Nazis because it is such
a centuries long symbol established in their cultures. It is not established in Western
cultures because you know, Buddhism and Hinduism are new to Western culture. So
when the Nazis did it, that's the only thing Westerners know. When they
you know, when they think of Swatzka, that's what they think of.
So that's what I'm looking I'm looking at it right now, like the old
version. Yeah, like how could they think that wouldn't like start something that's
fund it like years ago, years ago, and he's been explaining, but
it's also but nowadays, even with the whole Buddhism and Hinduism connotation, even
Eastern countries, No, nowadays, it's not smart to put it in in
media, like like twenty years ago when Eastern countries did don't have the same
um perspective of it, and they're not thinking of it that way, like
the same way Western Westerners would think of it. They didn't they don't second
guess putting it in. But nowadays they didn't know. He didn't know it
would be like red, So he didn't know it would be so popular to
West and stuff. If anything, twenty years ago was closer to World War
two, guys, Yeah, but twenty years ago, dude, Twitter didn't
exist. No, Yeah, that's that's the thing. You know, how
people talk about complaining about like um cultural appropriation because someone wears like a Chinese
inspired dress or something like, total bullshit. There is no greater example of
cultural appropriation than the Nazis appropriating an ancient Buddhist and Hinduist symbol and now all
these people being but hurt if anyone ever shows that symbol again, even if
it means something completely different in their cultures. Like that is a definition of
actual cultural appropriation. And yet here you are, the people who believe in
the animac the people who share those cultures now have to accommodate Western complaints on
Twitter. That is true cultural appropriation. Are you gonna like make a statement
by like using that symbol for yourself? No, I'm just gonna join the
tokyomanji gang. Oh that's true. You're saying anime and manga really only took
off in like the last fifteen sh years or even fifteen to twenty years,
So it's like before when it was only popular or for the most part,
it's only going to be viewed in Japan, they didn't have to worry about
cultural adaptation. Like yeah, how o how other countries are going to perceive
it twenty two years ago, you know, twenty years ago, like he
was thinking, how can I make this interesting for Japanese buyers, not not
the West, No, but it is still saw that he has to censor
himself over completely innocuous things just because people are in the West complain not knowing
the culture. The people that are complaining are the ones who are uneducated about
what that symbol means in Japanese culture. But you realize the vast majority of
so if something becomes mainstream in the West, the vast majority of people aren't
going to be like, oh, clearly this Asian author um what's it called
was was doing it because like they like a lot of people don't know about
that. Like I only really knew that it was a Buddhist and Hindu a
Buddhist symbol because I'm in the anime community and because I've seen it in like
because people have talked about it being in Naruto works and in one piece works
and stuff like that. If I would just a random we was just a
random Marvel fan, and I don't know where I've become a one piece and
it's like I'm not gonna know. Yeah, But that's the thing. The
people that don't know it should be on them to educate themselves. It shouldn't
be on the people who are created the content to censor themselves because some a
marvel avant if they're obviously gonna like gonna have if some if ninety percent of
the viewers of something aren't going to understand something, it's like, you're correct,
Animac, you are one hundred percent correct, But from a marketing standpoint,
it makes more sense to take it out than to try to educate now
right percent right from a marketing perspective, But that doesn't make it a good
thing, because that's the thing, absolutely right, ninety percent of people can
believe all sorts of stupid things and mis misguided things, and if you're constantly
appeasing them, then you're losing the truth. And you are, you know,
you're essentially getting to a point where you're losing a lot of nuance and
important things because you're trying to appeal to the widest possible market, because you're
trying to make any right. Meant argue with each other, but like I
agree with you, but I agree with you, but you have to consider
this you're completely right, You're correct, but it is like par visions that
like, yeah, we're not arguing. No company wants to fight claims that
they're supporting anything related to Nazi even if they're not there are one hundred percent
in the right, they'd rather just avoid it altogether true, even beyond.
And that is the problem. There is the problem there is if you then
want to control someone or censor someone, all you have to do is accused
them of supporting Nazis, and if enough people believe you, you're going to
be able to make them change things. Right, So that's the danger of
it. You can have you know, loud people on Twitter complaining about something
and getting their way, not because they're right, but because no one wants
to deal with this stuff. And that's a serious cultural problem that we have
right now. The Manji thing is just one example that's any just you know,
same thing goes with like censoring Etchy or whatever you want to call it.
Right, not said, sir, Etchy did not do it. It's
an anime get banned in Australia, anime as a whole. They tried a
couple of times. I think it was hint. I think I don't know.
I don't. I know Joy they tried, they tried, they tried,
they can't the band anime as well. I don't think it happened,
but because I just think it's cool. Like that's one of the things that
drew me to anime. It's just like you have like a show that's completely
not about antie or anything, but like they just throw an etchys like one
piece, So I just throw an It's cool. You never get that in
Western cartoons. Yeah, but that's fine. Like it's for a teenage audience.
Like the audience is men, so yeah, it's throwing some objects.
It's not fine, it's it's it's awesome and also cool. Obviously, you
know there's a lot of like ripped buff guys without shirts and one piece.
I don't notice that because that's not what I'm into. But that doesn't mean
the girls were watching are were into it? Oh I noticed that, baby,
let's go. I know, brigs do because your child you respect the
child leiness. That's why you notice it, not because you're into it,
but you respect it. Yeah, I respect it. Man. Strong appreciation
for the male physique. Now, for sure, although we were talking about
important issues, we do have to talk about chapter one fifty eight, which
not only reveals the cross s Gille, but also confirms what I've been saying
for a long time, and that's that Nami has Conquerors Hockey. Yeah,
dude, honestly, like it could happen, Bro, it would you know,
what would be amazing if after all the jokes, she ends up with
Conquerors Hockey, Like, yeah, for sure, it could happen. Like
I hope it all be foreshadowing like that, dude, The straw hats will
all be monsters by the end of this, all of them. Even Nami
is like with Zeus and stuff, like is getting like significantly stronger and like,
by the end of it, they'll all be monsters. Yeah, bro,
just one of another common Nami w But yeah, so I think it's
a joke. But still I do think that Nami is awesome and deserves respect
as a character. And you know, not everyone has been amazing fighter in
order to get respect as a good character. And right now that I think
Nami will un ironically get Conquerors hoppy, I think it's possible. Like,
do I think this is primarily a joke? Yes? Do I think it
could be foreshadowing for the future. I think, yes, well do we
not necessarily? I don't think conquerors hockey is necessarily linked to strength, is
it. It's just like something that some people have. Yeah, but the
best habit, like the strongest habit. Now, we don't know if me
Hawk has it for sure. I'm pretty sure it wasn't confirmed, but we
know that in general, the strongest characters have it. Yeah, that that
has been the case. But I don't think it's like it's a rule that
you have to be a certain amount of No, it hasn't been written there
to be strong to susstand in order to be able to use it. Yet.
No, And I'm sure, I'm sure hundred percent they're already characters out
there with Conquerors Hockey confirmed that are weaker with characters that that don't have Conquerors
Honey. I think it's it's like the type of people that are born with
Conquerors Hockey have this crazy will, and that will is what makes them end
up becoming strong. They're not strong because they have Conquerors Hockey the reason.
How do I say this, Like like someone like Ace would have gotten so
so so so much stronger later in the series. I think not because he
had conquers hockey because of the type of person he was, you know,
and I think because of who I like, because of the type of person
he was, That's why he has Conquerors hockey. It's very hard to explain
what I'm trying to say, Thank you get kind of exactly exactly. Yeah,
yeah, Like even gar Garp is not confirmed to have conquerors. But
it's like, but there's so many characters that are like not confirmed to have
stuff, but it's like clear that they do and and we might just hear
later, you know. Yeah. To me, I would like, I
just want to see how I'm gonna explain Crocodile not using hockey and Alabas I
would be shocked if um black Beard didn't have Conquerors Hawk, Like, I
would be shocked. But it hasn't been confirmed as far as I know.
Yeah, and that yeah, so Cross killed. That's what we get in
this chapter, and then we reveal the true nature of the relationship between We
also get the bounties for the other strong Handhawks bounty, and then we get
the true nature's relationship between Mehawk, Crocodile, and Buggy. What is Mihawks
bounty dude three point five nine Billy. Even though even though Buggy is technically
the leader of the group and Beehawk, it's still That's what I'm saying,
It doesn't diminish it because even though Behawk is technically following him, apparently Beehawks
is still higher. Yeah it does, like it does. But anyways,
yeah, that's so impressive. Let me should could have that while not being
a Yanko leader, Like, it's fucking it's amazing. And he's so close
to Shanks if you look at it, and at this point in the story,
he has a higher bounty um as far as we know than three yanko
right, and he's not even a Yanko and he never like he's not even
a leader or forst seen as a leader. So it hypes him up so
fucking much. It's insane. By the way, I like how Buggy still
uses his um devil fruit to make himself look large by just like attaching his
limbs to like that the huge tarp or whatever. It's a metaphor. Bro.
Yeah, he's he's filled with hot air, bro. But also he's
he's doing good pr because obviously someone who looks that big is going to be
more intimidating and you know you're gonna How could this tiny mihawk beside me be
a threat to me the giant? Yeah, yeah, I mean Buggy does
have his strength that are not directly strength, but there, I guess you
could say diplomacy related or you know, political or whatever you want to call
it. But yeah, Animac, I agree with you with what you said
about Crocodile. I think that Crocodile is getting a huge like boost recently in
the story. Well he has to because he's still relating, He's still relevant,
right, so yeah, clearly older places will do something with him.
So it's very it's very interesting. And even if we go back to the
Marine for an arc, it was, even though he'd already been defeated by
Lufy, Doll Flamingo is actually like, man, we should team up,
and Crocodile is like please, all you could be is my underling, and
so like, even then, when like this guy was an old villain,
Doll Flamingo was a newer villain that Lufy have to be stronger to beat.
Even then Crocodile talking down and it's very interesting. It's very interesting. Well,
why do you guys assume the crocodile dosn't didn't use hockey in Alabasta because
I think back back before Pretime skipt, they never showed when someone was using
armament and they didn't mention observation all that much. He couldn't didn't say that
because I think that's the meme kind of that he like got wrecked by Lufy
and didn't even demonstrate hockey. They never really made it over the apparent when
someone was using hockey. I feel they really spell it out post time skip,
like they literally they I'm pretty sure pretimes get people used armament and they
have never had like the darkening of their skin. Yeah, but that's that's
what makes it difficult to under to know exactly, you know, what's going
on. So maybe he didn't need to. Maybe he didn't need to in
the sense that like he could still cut Lufy and shit, like he didn't
really need to kill him. He didn't need to use armament hockey. Sure
Lufy wasn't at that level potentially, and he could have been using observation the
whole time to like or if he if he did have possession, like he
could have been using it and just we just don't know. I definitely have
to go back to that final fight though, to see how he overcomes him
in the end. Since we did talk about the water punching him hard,
that's it. We did talk about buggy and stuff. So let's talk about
the very end, which shows the revolutionaries. The revolutionaries rescued Kuma successfully,
although he's not himself obviously we know that from before um And then at the
very end we see Koala getting a call from someone and the world government is
monitoring, and the Marines are and we see the den the Mushi or whatever
it's called say it's me Sabo, and that is the flame Hype chapter.
I assume those Sabo right away, but then a part of me later was
like, what if it's someone imitating to be Sabo? But I hope not.
I feel like that would be wasting time. I hope. Yeah,
Well you would think a lot of stuff like Pluton or freaking green Bull was
wasting time. But yeah, yeah, that would be funny. It's like
it's like it's actually black Beard. He's like, yo, we got Sabo,
just kidding bitch as dude. But I mean, I wouldn't. I
feel like that's the possibility. Man, imagine like another like execution of Sabo,
like the same thing to happen, the same thing that it's the same
thing, but this time it's it's black Beard. It's like, I'm going
to execute Sabo if you bring me even if Sab gets taken out of the
game, which which is hard to believe at this point. I don't think
he's gonna die. I don't think they'd repeat that. Yeah, but it
could be in a different way, like imagine they did like an execution.
They're executing Sabo from what he did to Cobra, and then Lufy pulls up
and he actually saves Oh yeah, no, then yeah, as long as
he gets saved. He actually saved him this time because he's stronger, and
that that's how we get Lufy versus a kind you. But then black Great
shows up and steals the fire fruit, and then it's a whole lot war
and the world government pulls up. Dude, no, one don't like.
I don't think I'll steal the fire fruit. They are better fruits to steal.
It would be funny if Blackbeard's like, I have Sabo hostage and I
will release him only if you bring me the greatest treasure that I'm looking for,
my beloved carrot. I want her. I think a lot of us
think. I think a lot of us think that Blackbeard we'll only have three
devil fruits because of like all of the threes with his character. But like
if he is an all for one kind of character, then like, yeah,
he might just steal everything comings coming through with those magical crystals. Thank
you, thank you, buddy. Yeah, I think we've covered everything.
UM definitely want to to me overall now that it's over. Was not the
best arc, but definitely not the worst arc either, Like I would say,
somewhere around that middle area maybe high middle. Again. Yeah, it
had some amazing parts, but because it's so long, it also had parts
that felt like they were, you know, not necessary. Characters that felt
like they were not necessary, and the teasing the fake outs irked me the
most. Probably as I look back personally, UM, I get the feeling
that it was high for me. But um, I may be predisposed to
focus on like the hype moments and the highs and to kind of forget about
the lower moments. But I a lot of stuff didn't bother me, like
the fact that like they were fake outs. They didn't bother me that much,
especially when I called them like the Diyamato one. Yeah. Well,
I guess to me like this late in the game, that was way too
many fakeouts. Yeah, yeah, I feel like you have at this point.
Man, he's like, you don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah,
But it doesn't mean one has to like it, right totally. No,
of course it is gonna do what older wants to do. But doesn't mean
that you have to like all of it, even if you like the story
over. No, you don't have to like yeah exactly, you not to
like any of it for sure. Yeah. Um, I think I like,
if I was like doing a tier list, I still probably put Wanno
and like a which is good. But I have like I have like ten
arcs or eleven arcs in s you know wow. Yeah, No, I
mean that's a lot of that's a lot of s, So i'd be there's
just short arcs. Aren't like the Reverie, like something like the Reverie like
it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna get perfect or like something like Barattier or along
Park. I'm like these are literally like maybe even brought brought to my favorite.
Maybe I put it in a UM just because, like Don Creek is
not the best, but I think Bartia is amazing. But like Arlon Park,
I put that that shit in s Um and his lobby Marine Ford Um.
I personally, I think I like Dress Rosa and Whole Cake a little
bit more than Wando, but they're close. Wow wow wow. Just slaping
Wando in the face with the Kaido the Kaido fish, Kaido cock anyway,
No, I mean it's fair, it's a fair opinion. Um big into
chat reminded me of remember the time when NL was healing the scabbards that was
never really resolved. But I feel like it's probably Hioti because she was introduced
later as having been on the island and we saw her hair. She does
have similar hair to the silhouette. How biggest tragedy people, I don't know,
Like does she have healing powers? I have no idea. The biggest
tragedy is Animax. Toky's coming, Broy. I still think Toky is coming,
bro Bro. Toky is scumming, is my The raid will fail and
I will I will stick to it. I think Annimact the series has been
over for ten years. Extra material Bro. Road to Aftail Part five is
coming, Toky revealed one piece movie one hundred Turkey comes Bromm. Yeah it's
a poor note. Yeah anyway, See, you guys try to be more
regular with these podcasts, but we have been quite busy with other things,
so bear with us. Thank you goes In and Briggs for joining me and
talking about some pretty crazy one piece of shit going down. Thank you everyone
in the chat. Pleasure Bro, and until next time, Cuspace Cowboys Bang Ingle