WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:04.960 If you've spent any time listening to Bigfoot podcasts, it's all but certain you 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.560 know about tonight's guest. I say that because he's been hosting Bigfoot podcasts for 3 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.839 almost as long as any of them have been around. Of course, I'm 4 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.920 talking about Matt Knapp. Matt, thanks so much for coming on, glad 5 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.000 to be here, Thanks for having me. Well, it's great having you. 6 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.879 I'm just glad, being the busy man that you are, you're willing 7 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:28.399 to come on and talk with me tonight. Oh yeah. Between the two 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.960 of us, I think we go NonStop all the times. We're pretty fortunate 9 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.119 to be able to do this finally, Oh definitely. Yeah. Like I 10 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:39.640 told you behind the scenes, I've been wanting to have you on the show 11 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.240 for years now, so I'm tickled pink to finally be able to have you 12 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:48.359 on. But having said that, before you accepted the fact that sasquatch were 13 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:52.320 really out there, Matt, you were a card hearing believer in ghosts another 14 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:57.600 supernatural phenomena. How was it that you believed in the existence of entities you 15 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.359 couldn't touch, but refused to believe in ones that you could actually touch. 16 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.599 You know, I've always been a pretty skeptical person, believe it or not, 17 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.200 which is funny considering, you know, the line of work I'm in, 18 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.359 so to speak. But I've always been the type of person that I 19 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:18.799 really need to see something myself to fully, you know, go all in 20 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:23.959 on it. And growing up, I had lots of paranormal experiences in the 21 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:29.159 house that I lived in, and really just in general, Oklahoma can be 22 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:34.879 kind of a weird place and it's not uncommon or run across somebody that's experienced 23 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:40.719 something. So I actually grew up having those paranormal experiences and everything, and 24 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:45.439 whenever it came to Bigfoot, it really interested me. It really grabbed my 25 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.280 attention. And then whenever I discovered that people were actively going out and looking 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.560 for it, including people in my own state, it really blew my mind. 27 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:59.840 I was fortunate to be introduced and meet a lot of really great people 28 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.879 right out the gate, a lot of experienced people who had been in the 29 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:08.680 Bigfoot world for years and years, and they told some amazing stories and I 30 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.800 got to know those people on a personal level, became friends with them. 31 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:19.960 Some are even extended family I would consider that. So it was hard for 32 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.800 me not to believe them. I mean, they were so genuine with their 33 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:29.199 stories, and like I said, they became friends. So then it's not 34 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.000 just hearing a stranger tell you a story, it's a friend telling you. 35 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:37.039 And I still just remained on the fence. I wanted to believe them, 36 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:38.960 but I had to see for myself, and I started going out with them, 37 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:45.759 and yeah, I had my world change forever. I had a sighting, 38 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.280 had an encounter with these people out in the field, saw it with 39 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:54.439 my own two eyes, and the rest is history. Yeah, for someone 40 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.719 who wants to learn the ropes when it comes to Sasquatch, I can't think 41 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.560 of a better group of people than the ones that you got hitched with. 42 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.719 I've got tons of questions for you, Map, but before I start throwing 43 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.919 the match, you please tell us a complete story behind your first bigfoot sighting. 44 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.199 Sure it was in Sulfur, Oklahoma, in the Chickasaw National Recreation Area, 45 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:23.879 which is I believe Oklahoma's only actual national park. There might be one 46 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.439 other, but I'm pretty sure that's the only one, or at least it 47 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:32.719 was at the time. This area is sitting right on the southern border of 48 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.639 Sulfur. I mean, you're right in the town of Sulfur itself, and 49 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:43.840 you drive directly into the park from the town and it has a long history 50 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.199 of bigfoot sidings and reports. Lots of tourists flocked to the area during the 51 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:53.479 summer months. There's a large amount of medicinal springs there. That's kind of 52 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.280 what the park is famous for, its natural springs, and people have been 53 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.319 going to this set of springs since the eighteen hundreds. I believe it was 54 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:11.120 Native American land prior to that, and I want to say the Chickasaw tribe 55 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.120 sold it. I'm trying to remember the year. It slips around, but 56 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.959 they sold it to the United States government for a national park. That was 57 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:25.480 the agreement. Yeah, So we were having kind of an informal outing there. 58 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.160 It was just more of a meet and greet with a lot of people, 59 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.480 but we were going to go looking around and everything. And we had 60 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:38.240 gone out the previous night and I had experienced for the first time rock throwing, 61 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:43.360 just some tiny pebbles being thrown on the hood of the car that I 62 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.199 was actually leaning against at the time. I watched one of the pebbles hit 63 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.839 the hood of the car and bounce up and actually hit me in the stomach 64 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.120 and fall back down on the hood of the car. That was pretty convincing. 65 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.639 You know, I'm standing there staring into the woods. They're just on 66 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.439 the other side of the vehicle, and I'm like thinking to myself, you 67 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:08.160 know, well, what can throw a rock through the trees. I mean, 68 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.279 it can't be a raccoon, it can't be a squirrel. And over 69 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.360 the course of the night, we actually could see rocks flying over our heads 70 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.600 and landing into the creek, splashing into the creek behind us. It was 71 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:27.199 a really amazing thing. But that second night, we were in the parking 72 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.040 lot of a nature center that's ran by the park rangers there. It's just 73 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.279 kind of a rock building that tourists can go to and buy postcards and look 74 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:40.920 at some different animals on display. You know, nothing like a zoo or 75 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.160 anything like that, but they have a few live animals, like some rattlesnakes 76 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:49.199 and stuff. And this parking lot has some trash cans sitting in a center 77 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:54.879 medium of it, and big Foot has been seen digging in those trash cans, 78 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.720 so we thought that would be a good spot to go. And one 79 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.120 of the people there had a gin three night vision scope at the time, 80 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.079 and now back then, this is two thousand and two, if you had 81 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:10.480 a GIN three night scope, that was similar to having like top of the 82 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:15.120 line flear today. I mean, everybody wanted a chance to take Gin three 83 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.399 night vision out into the field, and we were fortunate enough that one of 84 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.560 our members had one. The party that I was with was kind of spread 85 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.600 out all over the place, and I had hung back with this other guy 86 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.120 that had the night vision scope. There was a couple other people there, 87 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:35.480 I believed myself him and two ladies at the time, and he was kind 88 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.759 of standing off at the edge of the parking lot by the tree line. 89 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.639 And at the edge of the parking lot there there was about a fifteen foot 90 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.199 area kind of grass that they kept cut back and everything before the tree line 91 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:54.560 started and then it was just thick woods. And he called me over to 92 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.160 him and he said, hey, look through this and tell me what you 93 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.759 see. And I pull the night vision scope up and he kind of directs 94 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:06.759 me where to look, and I see, eyeshine, these two bright glowing 95 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:12.199 eyes in the night vision and I'm looking and I'm trying to focus in on 96 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.839 it and figure out exactly what I'm looking at you know, my mind's going 97 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.360 through the roll of ducks. Is this a deer? Is it a bear. 98 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.600 I've never heard of bear in Oklahoma, but maybe we have some down 99 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:27.360 here. I'm not really familiar with this area. And I'm looking and I 100 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.240 noticed that surrounding the eyes that are looking at me is a face. Not 101 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.639 an animal, but an actual face. And I can see from about the 102 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.720 middle of the forehead down to just below the bottom lip. It's in between 103 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:46.480 these two branches. The face was covered in hair, like just a human 104 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.399 man if that you grow your facial hair out, you know, and don't 105 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:55.040 shave. It had that sort of hair pattern on the cheeks and the beard 106 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.319 line and everything. But one of the distinct things about it that really stood 107 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.879 out to me was the brow ridge. It was very thick in the middle 108 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:09.160 and kind of tapered off towards the sides. Not like drawings or movie depictions 109 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.319 of Bigfoot. It wasn't like a separated brow ridge. It was all one 110 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.639 solid piece, and the hairline actually started where our eyebrows would start. There 111 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.360 wasn't a visible forehead bare of skin, you know, It was just all 112 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.000 hair covered, and the hair pattern kind of grew back over the top of 113 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.720 the head. From what I could tell, I couldn't see if it was 114 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:37.759 a conical shaped head or a rounded head, but it had the appearance of 115 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:43.799 if you remember the old Universal Monsters Wolfman Lawn Cheney's wolf Man. The hair 116 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:50.279 pattern was similar to that kind of afro wish, not what I was expecting 117 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.200 a bigfoot to look like. So this whole time, like, I'm taking 118 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.279 this all in, trying to see as much detail as possible, but I'm 119 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.000 still just confused us as to what I'm even looking at. The eyes were 120 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.919 larger than a human. Like I said, they were reflecting the ambient line. 121 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.200 I guess in the night vision. They're extremely bright. They're kind of 122 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.639 almond shaped. I didn't see any ears or anything. The jaw line was 123 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.320 very prominent and very broad. It was actually the bottom of the jaw stuck 124 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.559 out wider than the temples on the sides of the head. The nose bridge 125 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.320 was very thin and kind of scooped, and then there was a squatty, 126 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:37.919 flat nose slightly upturned, not so much as like a primate like an ape, 127 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:45.240 but not facing downward like a human completely. The nostrils were really broad, 128 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:50.919 looking compared to a human. The top lip was very thin, thinner 129 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:56.639 than the bottom lip. And one of the main features that just really grabbed 130 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.960 my attention was it looked like it had an underbiked like the bottom jaw stuck 131 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:07.279 out farther than what it should have. It seemed the hair on the face 132 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.519 was thinner, and then it just gradually got thicker and thicker and flowed into 133 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.559 a beard. And that's really all I could see. Well, I pulled 134 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.679 down the night vision scope because at this point, I'm kind of freaking out 135 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.039 a little. I can't believe I'm actually seeing this. I know that we're 136 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.919 not like nobody knew we were going here, nobody could have gone there and 137 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:37.039 hoaxed it or anything. Everybody was accounted for, and it's just blowing my 138 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.600 mind. And I pulled the night vision scope down and I look at the 139 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.440 guy and I was like, oh my god, that's a face. Is 140 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.679 that one of them? And I pulled the night vision scope back up to 141 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:52.159 look at it some more, and he's saying, I saw a face too, 142 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.799 That's what I was seeing. And whenever I look back to where the 143 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:01.240 face had been, it's gone. And the spot where I had seen the 144 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:07.159 face between the two branches. The bottom branch was now closer to the top 145 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.519 branch, so I think it had been like holding the branch down or something 146 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.519 a little bit, and was like peeking through the branches at us. And 147 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.519 then whenever I looked away, it took the opportunity and let go of the 148 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.399 branch and took off. But I never heard anything running off through the woods 149 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.840 or anything else. But that night. Previous to that, we had heard 150 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:35.120 some things walking around in the woods. We had smelled a weird musky skunk 151 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.879 type smell in the area a couple of times, and we had done not 152 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.759 myself, but other people I had with had actually done some vocalizations trying to 153 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.240 draw these things in. So whenever you put all those pieces together, and 154 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.919 I mean I know where a fact what I saw, the picture is still 155 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.360 ingrained in my mind to this day, and it's been over twenty years. 156 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.919 And that was it. There was no turning back after that. Yeah, 157 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:07.279 that's an understatement. Look how deep you are into all this now? Oh 158 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.120 yeah, yeah, still just as passionate about it as I was back then. 159 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.879 Well that's pretty evident, No, I believe you in the dictionary mad 160 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.879 Next to the words skeptical. There shouldn't be any words. There should just 161 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.840 be a picture of you. And with that in mind, what do you 162 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.799 think was really throwing those stones at you before you saw that sasquatch through the 163 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:35.320 fleer or did you already believe in their existence before that? You know, 164 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:39.919 at that point, I wasn't totally on board with the idea. I didn't 165 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.840 really know if I could believe these people are not it felt like I could, 166 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.279 and like I said, they all seem very down to earth and very 167 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.559 genuine. They were older people, they weren't young people, and typically it's 168 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.360 your younger people that make up stories. Not always the case. Obviously, 169 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.879 We're definitely in a field where older people makeup stories too. But I've been 170 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.360 raised by my great grandparents actually, and they were country folks, and so 171 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.759 I related to these people very easily. It was easy for me to talk 172 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.360 to them. It was easy for me to shut my mouth and just listen 173 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.399 and absorb their knowledge and everything. But I had only known them for maybe 174 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.919 about a year or so at that point, so I didn't really know what 175 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.360 to think. You know, I wasn't just going to take their word for 176 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:35.080 it. So whenever the rock throwing started. I mean, that whole weekend, 177 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.720 even if I hadn't had the sighting, was still very impactful. And 178 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.200 with the rock throwing, I mean, there's a few possibilities, you know, 179 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:52.759 maybe a squirrel dropped one from overhead in the trees, or maybe a 180 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.600 bird flew over and dropped it. You know, crows and things like that 181 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.639 will sometimes pick up shining rocks and everything, But this was just continuous, 182 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.200 and I knew from the trajectory of that rock hitting the hood of the car. 183 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.759 I mean, I saw it. The car itself was like an old 184 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:15.399 Lincoln, if I remember right, one of those big, old boxy boats, 185 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.960 and it was kind of a light blue in color. And so even 186 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.919 at night, this rock silhouetted against the hood of the car was easy to 187 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.440 see. And it wasn't thrown hard or anything. And I assumed that whatever 188 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.279 through it had to have been fairly close, because I saw it hit the 189 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.960 car. It landed on the hood maybe a foot away from me, and 190 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:45.200 bounced up and just hit my stomach and fell right back down on the hood 191 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.480 and I picked it up. And I was standing there with somebody else at 192 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.480 the time who observed it too, and I was like, did you see 193 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.960 that? And he just kind of grinned. Now, this guy's from the 194 00:14:54.039 --> 00:15:00.840 area. He had his first sighting years previous to that inside same park, 195 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.399 so it wasn't anything big for him. That was an old hat. But 196 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.639 to me, it was just mind blowing. And with all the rocks being 197 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.120 thrown and hearing them hit the creek and seeing them in the sky flying over 198 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:22.480 our heads and everything, the only conclusion I came up with is it would 199 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.200 have to be either a big foot or a person. It's got to be 200 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:30.200 one or the other. And from that point you have to decide, Okay, 201 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.279 well, what are the chances that a person. It's nobody from our 202 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.840 group, and I'm not the only one seeing it. Everybody's seen it, 203 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.879 and I'm not the one, you know, freaking out alone. Everybody's really 204 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:48.159 excited about these rocks being thrown, so it didn't seem like anybody with me 205 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:54.960 was in on it. So that would mean somebody else would have to be 206 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.720 responsible. So they would have had to have a park like five miles away 207 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.759 and walk through the woods in the dark to get to where we were and 208 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.559 know where we were inside the wooded area, just to come out there with 209 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.320 a bunch of rocks and start throwing them at us. I mean, I 210 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.440 just don't think the odds of that being the case are very good at that 211 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.440 point. So, you know, that one just really puzzled me. It 212 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.639 left me scratching my head, and it definitely made me think, you know 213 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.399 what, there's there's something to this, something's going on. And then that 214 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.840 following night, you know, I had that siding through the night vision scope 215 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.600 and that just confirmed everything. For you to go so far in such a 216 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.799 short period of time talking about being a skeptic toa next thing, you know, 217 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.759 you're being pelted with stones, and later that night you have a full 218 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.679 blown siding, your head had to be spinning. Oh yeah, yeah, 219 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:59.240 for sure, for sure. I mean the processing of trying to understand and 220 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.319 just really comprehend everything. I mean, my mind just started racing with thoughts. 221 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.079 If this is out there, then what else is out there? Well, 222 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.079 obviously if I can go out and look for bigfoot coming from Tulse, 223 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.960 Oklahoma, then the government has to know about these things. You know, 224 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.000 other people have to know about these things. All these people that say that 225 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.880 they've seen them, at least some of them have to be telling the truth. 226 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.559 I'm certainly not the one person in the world that's seen one, but 227 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.599 the idea that that's what I was out there looking for, and you know, 228 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.279 it's confirming all these other stories that I'm hearing from the people that I'm 229 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.359 with. It was quite a bit to take from a mental aspect, for 230 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:47.480 sure, But you know, I never let go of the skepticism. I'm 231 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.680 still skeptical to this day. I'm very skeptical about people's stories, about their 232 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.240 claims, about their reports, about videos, photographs, evidence of any kind. 233 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.680 I still just pay it like I would have any other time back then, 234 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.279 is just I let the evidence lead and see where it goes. Has 235 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.720 your skepticism ever come back to bite you in the butt due to the fact 236 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:18.279 that you're a podcast host? Oh sure, sure absolutely. For years, 237 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:26.480 part of the podcast approach that I had was just sticking with people that shared 238 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:32.400 the same opinions and beliefs I did at the time, and back then that 239 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.480 was strictly flesh and blood. I was under the firm opinion that these things 240 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:44.359 have no types of paranormal abilities. People who say that are either lying or 241 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.359 mistaken, and I just shut the door on it. Now, fast forward 242 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:53.759 a few years, quite a few years, I started thinking about things and 243 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:57.720 I was like, well, you know, I grew up having paranormal experiences. 244 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:03.200 That's basically why I'm here to begin with. In the big Foot world, 245 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:08.480 I've seen things that I can't explain, that have no scientific explanation that 246 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:14.880 nobody has any reason to believe me. I wouldn't expect anybody to believe me, 247 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.480 So why am I shutting the door on other people that are saying things 248 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.880 that I just haven't experienced myself. I don't think that's being fair to them, 249 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.960 and it's not being fair to the actual research process, the investigation process 250 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:34.240 trying to answer these questions about this being whatever it is. So I kind 251 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:41.079 of changed my approach and I started opening the door to anybody, regardless of 252 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.319 what their story was, and just letting them have a platform to share their 253 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:52.880 experiences and everything. I'm definitely, i would say, more open minded than 254 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.960 I used to be. Whenever it comes to those sorts of things. I'm 255 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:03.359 not going to discount it or just credited out the gate because I didn't experience 256 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:08.319 it. But I still catch myself from time to time putting those skeptical goggles 257 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:14.640 on whenever I'm hearing stuff, you know, and I have a problem personally 258 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.880 being kind of reactive to things. I've got a knee jerk reaction sometimes, 259 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.519 and I need to back off and take a breather and process things a little 260 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.799 bit and look at them again before I just go with my first instincts and 261 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.799 evaluation of things. Changing your approach to all this it couldn't have been easy. 262 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.000 So I think you deserve a lot of credit for doing that. I 263 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.559 think that was a wise move. Well, I appreciate that. Oh you're 264 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:47.319 welcome just stating the like it is. How do you think they're able to 265 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.319 throw rocks with what could be almost considered to be pure normal accuracy? You 266 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.119 know, that's something that I've actually thought about quite a bit, not just 267 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.839 the accurates. I mean, I grew up playing in the woods, and 268 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.880 you try throwing a rock through the trees. It just doesn't work. You 269 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.039 can't throw stuff through heavy cover. You can't. You know, even growing 270 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:18.039 up around people that hunted and everything, you know, you don't shoot through 271 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.160 cover. You don't shoot through brush because even bullets will ricochet off the tree 272 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.599 limb. So how does something pick up a rock and throw it through the 273 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:30.039 air and not hit you, but come close enough that you know there is 274 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.480 actually This made me think of a situation where I wasn't there, but a 275 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.079 lady I knew that was part of this group, Vicky. They were, 276 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.799 I want to say, in Alabama at the time, on an outing, 277 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.000 and they are all kind of sitting around this camp fire at base camp. 278 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.759 The camp itself, the fire pit and everything was on top of this hill 279 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.640 and there's a big steep drop off that goes down to this river, and 280 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:03.119 it's all completely foed and they're all sitting there around the fire, and all 281 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:08.240 of a sudden, this rock about the size of a golf ball comes whizzing 282 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:15.519 through the air from the drop down by the river. So whatever through the 283 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:22.079 rock was down below their line of sight, and this rock zinged you could 284 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.519 hear it coming through the air, she said, and hit the tree right 285 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.640 behind her, right above her head and fell to the ground, and she 286 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.160 showed me the rock. She took the rock home with her, but it 287 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:40.720 had some serious force and some serious accuracy. I don't have an explanation for 288 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.440 how they do it. I don't even have an explanation. Like I said, 289 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:48.839 the rock that hit the car in front of me was probably about the 290 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.839 size of a marble. So how does something you know that. I know 291 00:22:53.160 --> 00:23:00.880 they're not born ten feet tall or anything, but typically we envisioned them as 292 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.400 a very large creature. And how does something with those large hands like that 293 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:10.079 have the manual dexterity to pick up a tiny pebble like that and throw it 294 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:15.640 with that kind of accuracy. Everything about these things create more questions than answers. 295 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.720 The rock throwing and their accuracy is just another one of those questions that 296 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.519 I don't have an answer for. It is really hard to figure out. 297 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:32.319 I don't care how much you practice throwing baseballs, footballs, stones, something 298 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.240 with a shape that's not an even shape, that just makes it even more 299 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:41.039 difficult to throw that item accurately. I don't care how much time you spend 300 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:47.920 practicing throwing those items to be as accurate as possible. There is a limit 301 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.880 how accurate you're going to be on a reliable basis. Some people are just 302 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.559 born being able to throw balls and objects with a lot of accuracy. Other 303 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.680 people aren't. But for sasquatch to be able to cons instantly time and time 304 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:06.480 out through whatever it is they pick up, so accurately. It just it 305 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.039 just doesn't make sense at all, not at all. There was actually a 306 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.079 situation where a group of researchers. Now I can't vouch for these people. 307 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:21.200 Again, I wasn't there. This isn't the group of people that I was 308 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:29.160 associated with, But quite a while back, they had a situation where they 309 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:37.200 documented while they were out in the field something throwing these It was grass. 310 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.079 It was like tall weeds that had been pulled out of the ground and kind 311 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:48.640 of bundled up, almost nodded, and thrown at them while they were out 312 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.200 there observing. I don't know if they had night vision or if they actually 313 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:59.960 saw something throwing the things, but they had these basically grass knots that were 314 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.319 about, you know, the size of a lemon, or so we'll say. 315 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.279 And they said that the claim was that these had been thrown at them 316 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.759 at night. And I saw pictures of them, and the first thing that 317 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.480 crossed my mind is, you know, grass doesn't weigh anything. How did 318 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:21.039 something throw knotted up grass that far because it would have had to have been 319 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.960 out of their range of sight in the dark at least, so fifteen twenty 320 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.799 feet. I don't remember exactly how far away they said it was, but 321 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.119 it was quite a distance, And I was just thinking about you know, 322 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.240 if you go out there and pull a weed out of the ground and throw 323 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.319 it as hard as you can, you know it might go five feet or 324 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.680 so. It's most likely you're just going to land at your feet. But 325 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:48.599 if they were telling the truth and their documentation was correct, again, how 326 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.920 did these things throw that grass that far? Yeah, it just doesn't make 327 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.720 sense at all. You believe there's a good reason behind all the sasquatch activity 328 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.200 in the Sulfur erie where you had that first size, Matt, What do 329 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:10.359 you think that reason is? You know, I think these things are attracted 330 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:15.640 to certain areas for various reasons, but in the Sulfur area specifically, like 331 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:21.480 I was talking about the medicinal springs earlier, these springs, there's a few 332 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:26.519 of them in the park even that have signs displayed that list out all the 333 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.440 different minerals that are found in that specific spring and the amounts of the minerals 334 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:37.440 and everything. And over the years, I've found that Bigfoot seems to hang 335 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:45.000 out areas where there's large amounts of mineral deposits and other minerals constantly being churned 336 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.279 up to the surface from underground a lot of times. You know, you 337 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.880 find this in springs, You also find it at the base of mountains. 338 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:59.559 You also find it at strip mining pits and things like that. So I 339 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.400 think that it's one of the reasons. I think another reason is there are 340 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.960 multiple springs in the area that run constantly year round, so there's multiple water 341 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:14.000 sources there. I think another aspect of it has a lot to do with 342 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:21.119 the tourism. These things were most likely there long before we were, and 343 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.599 in this particular area, you've got this park that's protected from outsiders, a 344 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.240 huge amount of forests, and then you have tourist season that comes in where 345 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.400 you have just this fluctuation of people coming in. I mean, I believe 346 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:44.279 they have something like during the summer over a million visitors after the whole season 347 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.960 is said and done with. And these campers usually come there from out of 348 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:56.000 town, not real familiar with the outdoors, and it provides them an excellent 349 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.359 opportunity to people watch, to observe us. I think we're a huge form 350 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:07.200 of entertainment for them. It also provides them a lot of trash opportunities, 351 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.759 free meals, whatever else they do. With the trash. Maybe they're just 352 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.200 interested in digging through it and seeing what's there. But there's just so many 353 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.240 reports in that park of them digging through trash cans and being seen digging through 354 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.359 trash cans. So I think it's just a location where they've gotten used to 355 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.599 being around people and seeing people, so they're more brazen and they don't worry 356 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.640 about staying concealed as much as they normally would. And then you've got the 357 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:37.160 water and the minerals and everything along with the free meal opportunity. So I 358 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.279 think it's just a collection of a bunch of different reasons in that area. 359 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.319 Yeah, for the reasons you laid out, it does make good sense if 360 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.480 they would call that home because not only does the place have a lot of 361 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.640 resources in the way of food, animals, vegetation, and then it's got 362 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.799 moving water, but it's got those minerals as well. They can't spray deep 363 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:03.039 woods off on their bodies, so that's a huge advantage to people to use 364 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.599 that salt from the water to accomplish the same goal. So yeah, thats 365 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.359 actually whenever I go camping down there, we would actually drink from some of 366 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.240 the springs that were safe to drink out of, and it worked as a 367 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:21.720 natural insect repellent for us that mosquitoes and ticks and stuff would leave us alone. 368 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.319 And I'm sure that would be a great benefit for them as well. 369 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.799 You know, yeah, just imagine all that here and you don't get to 370 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.880 go home and sit on the couch where there aren't ticks and fleas and other 371 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.039 bugs like that. So yeah, it just makes sense they're going to do 372 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.440 what they can to solve that problem. Your first sighting shook you up quite 373 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:47.079 a bit, in your opinion, is a more frightening to have a sighting 374 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.160 through a fleer or with the naked eye? I think with the naked eye. 375 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:57.839 I'm a firm believer that if you're looking through a viewfinder of some kind 376 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:06.599 that, for some reason, that creates a separation psychologically. It's kind of 377 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.200 like whether you're looking through a camcorder or looking at your phone as you're trying 378 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.319 to video something, or looking through a flair or a night vision scope or 379 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:22.039 something like that. I think it creates this mental separation where it feels like 380 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.519 you're just observing it and you're not actually participating in the event itself, which 381 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.400 is totally false, because we know you are whenever it comes to fleaar, 382 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.960 even more so because the flair changes the image. You know, you're just 383 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:41.240 seeing the heat signatures, and so it's it again, feels like you're separated. 384 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:47.039 You're just watching something like you're sitting there watching something on TV or something. 385 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.279 I think seeing it with your own two eyes would be far more traumatic, 386 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.720 depending on the situation, and have a much greater impact on the individual 387 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.240 at the time than viewing it through fleaar or any other kind of device. 388 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.480 Of course, seeing with your own two eyes that does give you a lot 389 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:10.680 more information about what you're looking at. But seeing a sasquatch through a fleer, 390 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.640 like you said, that does create a sense of separation, but also 391 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.519 there's kind of a lack of information at the same time, and sometimes knowing 392 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:23.440 more is actually better than knowing less. So that's all's kind of unsettled, 393 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:29.440 unsure which way you felt about that. Yeah, it also gives you an 394 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.519 opportunity though, to say, well, I think it was, but I'm 395 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.359 not sure it looked like one, but I don't think it was, or 396 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:44.200 it might not have been. So you do have that exit in place if 397 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.960 you want to take it. Unless you're a researcher, then of course every 398 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.720 time it's a big boot. Isn't it funny though, how many researchers, 399 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.079 when they beat the bushes for years upon years, when they finally have that 400 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.359 first sighting, the first thing they want to do is just run and get 401 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:05.519 out of there. Yeah, yeah, I think that's just no matter how 402 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.359 you plan it out, you know, everything always looks good on paper. 403 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.640 I think Mike Tyson said something along the lines of everybody's got a plan until 404 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.720 they get hit in the face. And that's sort of what a big foot 405 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.319 sighting does, you know, hit you in the face that it does. 406 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.519 These guys, in so many ways looks so similar to us. What do 407 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.200 you think it is about seeing them that causes so many eyewitnesses to be so 408 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:37.319 rattled? You know, I don't know. You hear so many varying claims 409 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.039 and descriptions. You know, if you go by what I saw through the 410 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.920 night vision scope that night, it looked. Everybody always wants to know, 411 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:51.079 well, what do you think they are? And you're right, they do 412 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.400 look like another human, But at the same time they don't look quite human, 413 00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.799 or at least that one didn't. And then I've heard people talk about 414 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.440 seeing them and that if you shaved it and put clothes on it, you 415 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.079 could walk it down Main Street and nobody blink an eye. There's one being 416 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:14.799 seen at a casino in Oklahoma in the parking lot area, and there's a 417 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.640 pretty famous casino story with Bigfoot in Oklahoma, and this was the same casino. 418 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.519 But the casino video that everybody hears about is just one event. There's 419 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:30.960 been many sightings in that parking lot and some of the people saw one there 420 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.119 for a while that they said looked handsome, if you can imagine that, 421 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.279 And that's one I would like to take a look at to see, because 422 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.799 I can't fathom the idea of one of these things looking handsome to somebody. 423 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:49.039 But you know, whenever you're seeing these things and just encountering them in general, 424 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:53.880 even without seeing them, you start to realize that these things are acting 425 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:58.000 a lot like people. I mean, they're very human in their behavior, 426 00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:04.400 way more so human acting and appearing than an animal. And I think that 427 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.159 messes with us. You know, as humans, we always have that huge 428 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.159 human ego that goes with it. You know, we're at the top of 429 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:16.440 the mountain, we're special we're different than everything else, and then we see 430 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.679 something else out there that makes us realize that, like, well, oh 431 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.679 wait, you know we're not the only ones. There's something else out here 432 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.440 on two lugs that's extremely intelligent and walking up right. But I think it 433 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.199 messes with us and we don't know how to process it. It really does 434 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.719 make you wonder how many times people have seen a sasquatch and just mistook it 435 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.039 for a person out there in the woods. Yeah, for sure. I 436 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.960 mean that would be your first instinct, though, especially a person who's not 437 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.599 into Bigfoot or a non believer, and they find themselves in an area where 438 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.840 Bigfoot or at say, you know, it's a family camping for the weekend, 439 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.480 or you know whatever, maybe it's just somebody going on a nature hike. 440 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.079 If they see one, they're probably just gonna think, oh, well, 441 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.440 that's probably just another camper or another hiker, or a homeless person living 442 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.199 in the woods. There's some old hermit out here. You're not gonna go 443 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.800 to Bigfoot as your first thought unless you get a really good look at it 444 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.360 enough to tell that whoa that is definitely not a person. But usually a 445 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.440 witness only gets a glimpse. You know, it's just a leading moment in 446 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.840 time where you catch moving out of the corner of your eye and you might 447 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.960 turn your head enough to see something disappear into the tree cover or whatever, 448 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:38.159 and a lot of people would just automatically go to a person. You also 449 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.679 hear a lot of people go directly to Oh, well, that must be 450 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.880 a bear. It was probably just a bear. Well, the problem with 451 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:50.079 that is, you know, bears don't usually walk around on two legs, 452 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.480 not as much as bigfoot does. And bears don't have shoulders, you know, 453 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:59.079 it goes head and slopes straight down to their Torso a bigfoot has very 454 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:05.039 distinct and broad shoulders, very much like a human, completely different shape than 455 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.280 a bear. And I think from the time we're born with teddy bears and 456 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:15.000 seeing bears on TV and cartoon bears and everything else, I think humans know 457 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.960 what bears look like. So it really surprises me whenever you see these news 458 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.880 articles and you hear reports about people saying, well, it's probably just mistaken 459 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.000 bears. They're probably just seeing bears, and I have to question, well, 460 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.320 how many people are seeing what they think is a bear, but it's 461 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.880 actually a big foot because that's just where their mind automatically goes. Well, 462 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.679 that it's a lot easier just to explain it away that way. A lot 463 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.039 of these people, they'll say anything and do anything they can to poo poo 464 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.920 the existence of these guys. So that's just a very easy way to explain 465 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.199 it all way in my opinion, Oh for sure. For sure, it's 466 00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:02.880 a very frustrating. One of the big reasons that I do what I do 467 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.920 with my podcast, and as you know, you do the same thing, 468 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.880 you know, providing that platform for people to share their story where people won't 469 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.559 call them crazy or try to discredit them or tell them that they're wrong about 470 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.440 what they saw. Yes, a shame has to be that way when you 471 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.559 consider the trauma so many of these people go through just by having the experience 472 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:29.840 of seeing something out there that in their minds shouldn't exist, and then when 473 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.960 they try to get help and reach out to people and talk about their experience, 474 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.960 it's just explained away it was just a beer or your eyes were playing 475 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.440 tricks on you, when in fact they clearly saw what they saw. Yes, 476 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.639 just to shame, it has to be that way, Yeah, it 477 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.000 really is. I've recently made friends with some people in the UFO world, 478 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.440 you know, the online UFO community, and they talk to a lot of 479 00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:01.400 experiencers and stuff in that community. And there's a lot of parallels between the 480 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.960 Bigfoot world or the crypted world, and the UFO world and the paranormal world. 481 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.920 We're actually all part of the same group, if we would realize it. 482 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.159 But in the UFO field, they actually do have a group of professionals, 483 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:21.599 you know, therapists and doctors who actually talk to and help witnesses deal 484 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.239 with their trauma. And trauma is a very big part of all of this. 485 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.039 You're seeing something that's not supposed to exist, and because of that, 486 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.119 you yourself feel crazy, and everybody around you makes you feel crazy. And 487 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:42.760 I wish there was more compassion from outside the Bigfoot world, within the nonbeliever 488 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.599 sector, and within the community itself. I wish we did have professionals that 489 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.360 could talk to some of these witnesses and help them work through some of their 490 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.239 issues that they face, you know, from the trauma of having an encounter. 491 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.239 I'm glad you brought light to the fact that not only is it a 492 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.039 problem with people outside of the community when you have a sighting and reach out 493 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.199 for help, but also people inside the community can also be a huge problem. 494 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:14.000 So it just really is awfully unfortunate. Of all the sightings and encounters 495 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:20.920 you've had, mat which one is most memorable? Oh? Man, it 496 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.679 actually wasn't a sighting as funny as that sound. I haven't had just a 497 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:30.199 huge number of sightings or anything. I've had a few glimpses over a large 498 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:37.559 amount of years. But there was one night in particular we were insult again, 499 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.360 and at this point I was pretty far into it. I had been 500 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.679 researching for a while at this point, and we had set up camp in 501 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.119 our same location that we always did, and we were waiting for other people 502 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.400 to arrive. Over the course of the weekend. It was myself and two 503 00:39:53.400 --> 00:40:01.519 other guys that lived there locally, and we turned in probably around oh I 504 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.920 want to say it was around one thirty or so at night, and we 505 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.320 had three lanterns propane leanards hanging from trees and on a lantern post, and 506 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.880 we filled them up with fuel, turned them up and left them on because 507 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.840 the people coming in from bound to state, we didn't know what time they 508 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.119 were going to get there, and we didn't want them arriving in the dark 509 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:28.440 because they're gonna have to like set up their tent and all that. Well. 510 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:34.039 I woke up at some point in the middle of the night, and 511 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.840 it was one of those times whenever you wake up suddenly and you know that 512 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.639 something's going on. You must have woken up to a sound or something, 513 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.760 and you don't really know what's going on yet, but you know that you're 514 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.400 awake for a reason. It was very sudden, and I thought that the 515 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:57.639 people must have just gotten there or something and maybe shut a car door or 516 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.760 something, and that's why I'm awake. So I'm lame. They're listening. 517 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.360 And I hear very soft footsteps on the pea gravel next to my tent. 518 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:14.960 The whole campground where the tent sites are has this real small pea gravel, 519 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.719 and you can, you know, hear crunching under your footsteps and something, 520 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:25.199 I mean, I thought it was a person was walking very slowly right next 521 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.280 to my tent. I was right there at the tent wall. It was 522 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.960 just on the other side of my tent, maybe not even two feet away 523 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.159 from me. And it's walking very quietly, and it's walking from behind my 524 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.440 tent down the side to the front of my tent. I had a big 525 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:51.719 eight by twelve tent at the time. Then I heard another set of footsteps 526 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.679 coming from the other side of my tent, but in front of the tent. 527 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.840 So these two individuals are basically to meet with one another at the front 528 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:07.400 corner of the tent. So I'm laying there listening because I'm just again thinking 529 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.559 it's the people and they're probably just walking around trying to be quiet. I'm 530 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.280 still trying to wake up a little bit, and I hear the sound of 531 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:21.639 my car handle snapping back down like somebody had lifted it up and let go 532 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:28.320 of it. My car was parked maybe eight feet away from my tent, 533 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.000 very close by, so at that point I'm thinking, oh my god, 534 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.000 somebody's out there still in our stuff. So I kind of, like, 535 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:43.480 you know, sit up. And that's whenever I notice that there was no 536 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.840 light, none of the lanterns were on, and I could hear whispering out 537 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.079 in front of the tent. I could hear these people whispering. Well, 538 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.119 I had a gun with me, just for own personal safety. I wasn't 539 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.679 trying to shoot a big foot or anything like that, but I did have 540 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.480 a firearm with me. So I got my firearm and I put my boots 541 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.719 on as quietly as I could, and I sat there for a second, 542 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.159 thinking, like, what am I gonna do? As soon as I hit 543 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.119 that zipper, They're gonna know I'm coming out all this tent. I'm not 544 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.480 gonna go out here and fire my gun in the dark, even though I'm 545 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.280 armed, I'm kind of scared. I'm not gonna lie. Well, I 546 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:31.199 had this spotlight land on the floor next to me, so I decided to 547 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.679 pick up the spotlight. I pointed towards the front of my tent, and 548 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.199 I just flashed it a couple of times, just to let them know that 549 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.880 somebody's awake. I do that, and I listen, and I don't hear 550 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:54.039 anything, nobody running off. Nothing. Well I started yelling, not really 551 00:43:54.119 --> 00:44:00.280 yelling, but you know, calling out my friend's name, Chad, trying 552 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.519 to wake him up to let him know what's going on. Well, the 553 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.960 other guy's name is also Chad, and he's a couple tents over. I 554 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.280 end up waking him up instead, and I say, hey, meet me 555 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.760 out front. He didn't ask any questions, he just said okay. So 556 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.639 then I ends up the tent and come spilling out. I've got my spotlight 557 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.320 on, I've got my gun in my hand. I'm doing like the whole 558 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.880 you know, shying the spotlight crossed over my arm with the hand holding the 559 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:37.119 gun pointed, looking around. I don't see nothing. There's no movement, 560 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.960 there's no sound, there nothing. It's just completely still out there. And 561 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.000 I'm just like, what is going on? And I walk over to my 562 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.360 car and I shined the spotlight through the window. Everything's just laying there and 563 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:53.119 nothing's disturbed. Doors are still shut. Well. The other Chad says, 564 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.559 what's going on? I said, I heard somebody out here and they tried 565 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:02.039 my car door. He starts shining his splashlight around. We're both walking around 566 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.840 nothing, don't see anything, don't hear anything. And he says, are 567 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:09.039 you sure? And I said, yeah, I'm sure. Look all the 568 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:14.559 lanterns are off. So he goes and he starts checking the lanterns and sure 569 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.760 enough, all three of them were turned off. They were turned to the 570 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.679 off position, and he checked them. They all still have fuel in them. 571 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.400 I think he said about a quarter of the fuel was gone. So 572 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.119 it had probably been like maybe two hours three hours since we had gone to 573 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:35.639 bed. I'm not even sure of the time. Well, at that point, 574 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.880 the other Chad wakes up and he's sitting up and I can see him, 575 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.440 like the tent doors open and I can I'm looking at him, and 576 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.159 he goes, did you check for tracks? And I'm like, well, 577 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.400 no, I didn't check for tracks. You know, why would I check 578 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.199 for tracks. It's people. They tried my car handle, he says, 579 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.000 check for tracks. So I'd go over by the side of the tent and 580 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:06.480 I shine the spotlight down there, and vic there was tracks about I don't 581 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.480 know, twelve thirteen inches long. You could see all five toes, a 582 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.280 clear impression pressed down in the gravel. I don't know what kind of weight 583 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:21.039 it would have taken to leave tracks in this gravel. I mean, walking 584 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.880 around, you could see the gravel disturbing anything, but this would clear five 585 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.920 toes. You could see where it walked on the side of my tent. 586 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.239 I thought, well, there was another one. I shined my light over 587 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:37.159 there. There's another set of tracks, just like I had heard. And 588 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.280 then the tracks went between my tent and the tent next to it. It 589 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.079 stepped one time in between the tents and then was off on the other side, 590 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.000 this would have been Like I said, my tent was eight by twelve, 591 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:58.360 so it cleared eight feet in one full stride between the two tenths without 592 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:05.960 making any sound or let me now, they just vanished. And that experience, 593 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.000 we actually did call a park ranger. The other Chad got on his 594 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.280 phone. He called the park rangers office because before we saw the tracks, 595 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.480 you know, I'm thinking people, So he's reporting it. The park ranger 596 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.639 comes out. He walks in on foot. He parked his truck at the 597 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.559 gate. He walks in on foot with no light or anything. Scared the 598 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.440 crap out of us whenever he came up to the tent and he told us, 599 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.440 I walked in. There's nobody here, there's no vehicles in the park 600 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:45.079 or anything. So the only possibility if it was people. They walked seven 601 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.239 miles through the woods to get to our campsite and didn't use a flashlight, 602 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.440 didn't take anything, they were barefoot, and then they left without making any 603 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:01.679 sound. So that event right there, I mean, I firmly one percent 604 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:09.159 believe it was bigfoot. I believe they somehow knew not only how to turn 605 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.159 off the lanterns, but to do so to remain hidden so they didn't cash 606 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:19.360 shadows or anything and would have the advantage of the darkness. And that blew 607 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.840 my mind. That took their intelligence level to a whole new area. Not 608 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:28.800 only that, but the whispering back and forth to one another trying the car 609 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.840 handle. It was hard for me to process all that, very hard. 610 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.639 I didn't go back out into the woods for three months after that. I 611 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.960 know there's hunters who have had crazy, crazy, aggressive encounters that have kept 612 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.320 them out of the woods forever. So I'm not trying to downplay what they 613 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.880 went through or anything like that. I'm just saying, as an active researcher 614 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.480 who was spending more time in the woods than they were at home at that 615 00:48:53.559 --> 00:49:00.800 time, I didn't go back out into the woods for three months because I 616 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.360 was just too scared. I didn't understand what I was dealing with at that 617 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:10.400 point. It changed my entire perspective on my research and what I thought about 618 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.039 these creatures. Yeah, it's all too easy to think that they're just normal 619 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.960 beings out there that can do what a normal animal can do nothing more. 620 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.559 But when you find out the extent of what they really can do, it's 621 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:30.000 awfully unnerving. So I understand what made that experience more frightening than any of 622 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.519 the other experiences you've had. The mad I'm kind of lost on that because 623 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:40.559 you've had some pretty frightening ones. Yeah, I think I think it really 624 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:47.920 just had a lot to do with the lanterns being turned off. I have 625 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:57.639 a hard time with the talking, the whispering back and forth and whenever they 626 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:04.440 do things, anything they do that it's something that we do because I don't 627 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:08.000 understand how they learn it, how they figure it out. Obviously, with 628 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.480 the lanterns, they could have observed people turning them off over the years, 629 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:19.880 and so maybe they learn that. But language, being able to talk, 630 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.960 having your own language, whatever it is, that's something that has to be 631 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:29.679 taught. You know, there's rules to language, you know, the meaning 632 00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.119 of the words, the pronunciation of the words, how you put them together. 633 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:40.400 All of that stuff, and the talking stuff involved with Bigfoot has always 634 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:49.880 really bothered me because of all those factors, it completely puts them on a 635 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:55.360 path. I mean, as humans, we think we know everything, and 636 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:00.480 I know that we don't. I know that we're not write about everything, 637 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.400 but we have a pretty good understanding of a lot of things. And language 638 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.840 is one of those things, and language isn't the first thing that pops up 639 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:14.920 in a society. There are steps that you go through before you ever get 640 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.880 to the language point as a group, which means if they have reached that 641 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.199 point, then they've already gone through all these other points. So that means 642 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:30.800 there's society and culture and you know, all these other aspects to them to 643 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:37.599 their existence that we don't know anything about at this point. That means if 644 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:44.519 these things are responsible for the limb formations, for instance, that that's not 645 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:51.239 just them twisting a tree or snapping a branch for a territorial marker. That 646 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.320 means these things are using that as a form of communication. It's an intricate 647 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:00.559 language, and there's intricate meanings behind those things that we don't understand yet that 648 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:06.800 we don't have the ability to translate yet. It means that they probably have 649 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:14.880 some sort of religious belief, some sort of spirituality, not just self awareness, 650 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:21.000 but defining themselves as individuals, having names for one another. The list 651 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.880 goes on and on, and it would take a person a lot more intelligent 652 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.199 and knowledgeable than myself to explain it all. But all of that just really 653 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:37.239 it made me reassess and rethink everything about them, and that was pretty disturbing. 654 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:44.039 I mean, it's the difference between going out and having a standoff with 655 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.440 a bear and living to tell about it, as opposed to going out in 656 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.119 the woods and catching a bear talking to another bear. So I guess that's 657 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.760 probably my best answer as to why it had that effect on me more so 658 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.760 than anything else. If we knew how far these guys were or are, 659 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.159 a lot of us wouldn't even go back into the woods again. Quite possibly. 660 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.280 So yeah, I'm sure they don't get nearly enough credit for how advanced 661 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:16.079 they actually are. Like you said, Matt, you host a podcast called 662 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:21.599 Bigfoot Crossroads Radio. What can you tell us about it and how to listen? 663 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.599 Well, Bigfoot Crossroads is pretty much eyewitnessed based. You know. I 664 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.840 have people who have had encounters and experiences on and let them tell their story. 665 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.920 It's mostly focused on them, you know. I do ask them a 666 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.440 few questions and participate in the conversation. I like to keep it very laid 667 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.639 back, very unstructured, and just kind of let the conversation go wherever it 668 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.840 goes. There's no certain amount of time or no number set of questions or 669 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.960 anything like that, and I never know what questions I'm going to ask until 670 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.800 i'm on there. Sometimes I'll make a few notes, but that's really it. 671 00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:02.440 I keep it pretty loose. It did start out as just bigfoot stuff, 672 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:08.880 but because of my own personal experiences and my own interests into all different 673 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:15.840 kinds of unexplained phenomenon, I've started having other people on talk about other things 674 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.639 besides bigfoot. Especially. I have found that a lot of people who have 675 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:27.280 a bigfoot experience have experienced other things as well, and vice versa. Very 676 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:34.119 seldom do you run across someone who's just had a big foot encounter and that's 677 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.039 it. They've never experienced anything else. Now, it does happen, not 678 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:43.360 to say it doesn't, but for some reason, it seems like there's a 679 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.400 lot of people out there that once the doors open on one thing, it's 680 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.119 open for other things, and you find that they've had all these really fascinating 681 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:54.280 experiences. So I'm kind of expanding out into those areas. But I'm still 682 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.320 gonna stick, you know, with bigfoot is the main focus that's never going 683 00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:04.559 to go away, and I'm still going to keep it witness oriented and use 684 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.039 that as the Foundation, anybody that wants to listen to it. You can 685 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:13.400 find it on pretty much every major podcast platform out there where you listen to 686 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.480 podcasts at You can find it on YouTube, but the easiest thing is probably 687 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:21.559 just to go to Bigfoot Crossroads dot com and you can find links to everything 688 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.400 there. It's a great show. Well, I can't sleep at night. 689 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.480 That's my go to. If you only knew how many nights, how many 690 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.559 hours I've spent listening to your episodes. Yeah, I wouldn't do that if 691 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.639 you didn't do such a great job. I appreciate it, man, I 692 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:42.719 appreciate it. And you're not too shabby yourself, sir. Well, thanks, 693 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.159 I try. I try. You used to produce and host a show 694 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:52.320 called Bigfoot Outlaw Radio as well. Those episodes are still available, But how 695 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:57.920 can we listen to those episodes? Well, you know, I ended up 696 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.599 archiving all those episodes and people call it a paywall. I call it a 697 00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:06.960 members area. It's on the YouTube channel. I think it's like three dollars 698 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.719 a month or something, and that gives you access to the entire archive a 699 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.599 big Foot out Law Radio. I did that for a couple of reasons, 700 00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:22.159 mostly because the YouTube stuff. I was having problems with copyright strikes. Actually, 701 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:28.599 a company's algorithm was picking up on some of the video loops I used 702 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.679 on it, and it was just flagging all my videos and I was going 703 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.440 to lose the channel possibly. So I worked it out with the company and 704 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:44.239 that didn't remain a problem for me or anything. I wasn't doing anything wrong, 705 00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:49.000 you know, it was just a computer software glitch problem. But I 706 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.119 realized at that point, you know, well that's a little dangerous, and 707 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.599 a lot of bought channels were actually stealing the content and uploading it on their 708 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:02.239 own YouTube channels. I'm sure you've experience into that yourself. So I talked 709 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:07.880 to a Bear, Jim Grant, one of the other members of the Bigfoot 710 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.559 Outlaws, and we discussed it and decide that it was probably just better to 711 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.360 archive everything and put it where you had to access it through financial means, 712 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:22.199 and that would prevent people from stealing the material and causing problems with the algorithm 713 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.760 and give them a nice safe place. Like I said, I've got all 714 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:30.480 the past episodes up there going back. I've even uploaded some of the old 715 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:32.920 blog talk shows from like two thousand and eight, i think but yeah, 716 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.000 that's where you can find them. Just go to the YouTube channel and click 717 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.760 on members and it should lead you through it. What I said about Bigfoot 718 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:46.400 Crossroads holds true also for Bigfoot Outlaw. I'm a member of your podcast, 719 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:50.199 and yeah, that's one of my go to us as well. When I'm 720 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.840 in bed and can't sleep. Okay, well, let's put on another episode 721 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.360 of Bigfoot out Law and just listen to it. And it's always a great 722 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.199 time. If I have a nickel for a time, I've listened to those 723 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.559 episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if I've listened to some of them twenty thirty 724 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:10.880 times. Oh wow, Yeah, I mean Baron Coombo were my co hosts 725 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.440 on there. They kind of took the spotlight with that show. Two guys 726 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:22.239 that have just, I can't say enough tremendous amounts of knowledge whenever it comes 727 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:27.480 to this subject. And you know a lot of their techniques. I tried 728 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.360 myself on my own in the field and they paid off. So the guys 729 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:37.400 know what they're talking about. I've never ran across anybody that's actually tried some 730 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.760 of their techniques correctly at least and had anything but positive results from it. 731 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.119 Those guys got some great stories, years and years and years of experience, 732 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.679 and we brought on a lot of great people, you know, the big 733 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.239 Foot out Laws, Dan and Vicky and the whole gang over the years, 734 00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.960 and like I said, we were pretty much like a host knit family for 735 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:05.840 a long long time and had a lot of experiences in just years and years 736 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:10.000 of knowledge and stories to share, and all that stuff is available. Well, 737 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.840 like I said, I can't say enough good things about that show either, 738 00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:19.519 because I'm a regular, that's a fact. Well, Matt, I 739 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.960 can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing those experiences with us. I 740 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.719 really appreciate it. Oh yeah, thanks so much for having me on. 741 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.880 Man, it's been a long time coming, and hopefully it won't be the 742 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.360 last. Well I hope not. Yeah, I definitely hope to have you 743 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:36.760 back on again. And for anyone listening who wants to be able to check 744 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.920 out Matt's channel, Bigfoot Crossroads, and then of course that'll have a link 745 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:44.480 in it Bigfoot Outlaw. I'm going to put a link to that in the 746 00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:49.639 description of tonight's show. But having said that, Matt, thanks again so 747 00:59:49.760 --> 01:00:00.320 much and have a great night. That's it for another episode of big Foot 748 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:05.679 Eyewitness Radio with Vic Candiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like 749 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.519 to be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com 750 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:14.599 and submit a report. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, 751 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:15.360 have a great night.