1 00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:20,800 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Deshinsky, 2 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,640 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,679 --> 00:00:27,280 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on exit fdr LST. 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,239 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and of course to the 5 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:33,240 premium version of our website as well. Today, yes, Thursday, So 6 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:37,600 I'm joined at Federalist HQ by Christopher Bedford of The Blaze. You can sign 7 00:00:37,679 --> 00:00:41,600 up for his newsletter at the Blaze dot com slash Bedford. Chris, Welcome 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,439 to the show. What a good memory. I know, right the Blaze 9 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:49,200 dot com slash Bedford. It's amazing that that domain existed, that someone hadn't 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,799 purchased it and put something actually kind of would have been a funny prank. 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,640 But anyway, we are awaiting a potential decision. This is sort of the 12 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:02,719 yelp in the room. The world could change at any moment. As Chris 13 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:04,120 said, when he walked in here and I told him maybe we would air 14 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:10,599 this podcast tomorrow, he said, no, we must address could second yes, 15 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:12,760 well, it could go into next week, or the former president of 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,359 the United States could be convicted with I think his sentence could be up to 17 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,359 four years in prison at literally any moment. The jury is literally out as 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:29,079 we're speaking, deliberating, and you know, even if the potential conviction comes 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,879 out today or acquittal, which I think is highly unlikely, and I'm sure 20 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:34,200 you agree with me on that, Chris, but even if that comes out 21 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,359 today, there's still a lot of things to talk about, because there are 22 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:41,319 a lot of things we know, and Chris, I'll just start here with 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,640 maybe your retrospective on what we saw play out in this courtroom in the last 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,879 several weeks. I mean, we saw a show trial, essentially, the 25 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:55,439 kind of thing that's designed to isolate somebody, to pull them, to make 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,000 them appear powerless, to make them a peer weak, to try to listen 27 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,280 often to embarrass them, to try to list off all the different things that 28 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:10,159 they're guilty of. Usually it's not with a show trials. You don't need 29 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,919 to get into specifics, as we've certainly seen with this crime or these allegations. 30 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,560 This judge's decisions. I mean, I think we've seen a judge who 31 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:28,080 at first appeared a little wary of being appealed, but got more confident at 32 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,960 the end and has probably decided by the time we've got into jury instructions, 33 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:38,120 which I think potentially will run a foul of the constitution. He doesn't care 34 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:42,199 anymore. What do you mean by the potentially run a follow of the constitution, 35 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,080 Well, he gave specific instruction. I think the prosecution was already pushing 36 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:53,039 things to their limit by taking falsifying the books, which is a misdemeanor that 37 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:59,639 was outside of the statute of limitations and upgrading it to a federal offense. 38 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:07,400 Not a federal offense because a felony to try to make to try to charge 39 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:13,159 him still that was outside of the statute limitations. So they studied COVID, 40 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:15,080 which I guess New York is allowed to put it within the statute limitations. 41 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,080 And the reason when they were able to upgrade it to that felony is because 42 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:24,080 they said it was done in the committment in committing another crime, and they 43 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,280 never we were waiting for months for the prosecution to say what that crime was, 44 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,439 and they kind of hinted that it was an election crime, right, 45 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,560 which would be violation that's outside of their jurisdiction, and that he's not charged 46 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:39,960 with and he's not charged with it. But then so that was already very 47 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:46,479 strange and already really pushing it and already grounds for appeal. But then to 48 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:52,599 have the judge instruct the jurors that they don't even need to agree on what 49 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:59,280 that crime, what that object crime that turns this, turns this misdemeanor into 50 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,960 a felony, is in order to convict I mean, the sixth Amendment to 51 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:06,840 the Constitution says that people have the right to know what they're being charged with, 52 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,919 sure, and to know what they're accused of, to face their accusers, 53 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,279 to know what they're being accused of, et cetera. And I don't 54 00:04:15,279 --> 00:04:19,800 think it's a stretch to say that Donald Trump does not know what he's accused 55 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,160 of, and the judge says the jury doesn't even even really need to decide 56 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:27,360 what he's accused of in order to convict him. And the judge, by 57 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 the way, whose daughter is a very prominent democratic consultant basically whose clients have 58 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:35,199 included Adam Schiff. I think one of the clements was Dan Goldman. This 59 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:44,279 is what kicked off that spectacular cat fight between Marjorie Taylor Green and who else 60 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,920 was it? AOC got in the mix. It was a lot of fun. 61 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,480 I can't remember who else was in it. Who Marjorie tail The textas 62 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:54,639 Congressman that Marjorie Taylor Green is making fun of her nails. Crockett, Is 63 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,920 that right? Yeah? Right, yeah? Whatever? It was fun. 64 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:01,680 Had perfectly fair questions about whether or not one or's daughter is financially tied to 65 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:05,439 people in the committee. Well, Sean Davis, I think said it perfectly. 66 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,839 I was wondering, I got this judge at this point, but the 67 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:14,560 time he's issuing what seems to be really strange, at least very novel to 68 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,560 put. I think that's the way MSNBC going. No whole legal theory which 69 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:24,199 made up how was he going to survive this? I mean, this is 70 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,000 going to go. This is going to go past the simple New York Appllic 71 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:30,879 Court, This is going to go to the Supreme Court, these sorts of 72 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,000 things eventually, of course, well the immunity cases already at the Supreme Court, 73 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:39,360 and that's invited the slew of crazy stories about the flags outside of the 74 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:42,600 legal home, as we talked about last night or last week, and Amy 75 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,439 Conny Barrett's Husband's business dealings, to which are apparently the new thing, but 76 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,040 that have nothing to do with any of the case. I think Sean was 77 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,240 correct to say that Judge Marchon could retire after this. He can write an 78 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,079 extremely lookrative book deal, He'll get paid a lot of money, and he 79 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,519 could slink into a C and N or MSNB see contributorship make some good cash. 80 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,879 There. Didn't just not be held accountable because he's got friends who will 81 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:09,959 back him up. His job here is not to stay on the bench for 82 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,319 life. It's not to not be investigated. His job here is to deliver 83 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,439 a conviction. And it seems from every step of the way of this trial 84 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:26,279 that he has he has stayed laser focused on delivering delivering that conviction. I 85 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,920 think one of the most insane things that Byron York is really zeroed in on 86 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,399 over and over again at the Washington Examiner is blocking expert testimony from a former 87 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:41,560 Federal Elections Commission Commissioner chairman who said that who said that there's no way that 88 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,879 hush money counts as campaign finance, as a campaign contribution. His whole thing 89 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:51,439 was that this has been figured out before that yes, saying fit, eating 90 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:57,120 salads, quitting smoking, getting the liposeuction to the case or some kind of 91 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,519 body surgey in the case of some of the heavier mail candidates have done in 92 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,079 the past. Those things could all be called campaign contributions, but they're not 93 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,839 buying a house in the state, as Hillary Clinton did in New York, 94 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:13,959 so she could run for a Senate that was not an illegal campaign contribution, 95 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,160 even though it was only done to run for Senate. There's no other it's 96 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,439 not even like a second house. Like. The reason for this was to 97 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,480 make it necessary. It was a necessary step to run for Senate. That 98 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,319 didn't count as an illegal campaign contribution, So why with this? And that 99 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,160 was barred by this judge. But if the judgesn't intend to stick around, 100 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,879 the judges intends to become another celebrity having delivered. So here's here's my problem. 101 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:41,680 I'm writing two different essays on this right now, depending on where it 102 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,399 goes, But the crux of the first one stands even if there's a hung 103 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,000 jury, which I would say, if these deliberations go for much longer, 104 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,759 then it's probably going to be a hung jury, would be my guess. 105 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,639 If we have two three four day we're recording this around noon on Thursday, 106 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:05,240 deliberations and you're looking at that and what does that mean going forward? That 107 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:11,920 means it means they either decided to try him again, or are they don't. 108 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,639 I mean it's but either way, it means it's not decided before the 109 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,480 election, which is the goal of this, right, which is why they 110 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,240 threw everything at the wall to see what would stick. All of these other 111 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,199 court cases that they wanted to be tried, they knew that they weren't all 112 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:26,560 going to be on a timeline that would be tried before the election. Brags 113 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,600 was the first, I think that we knew was really going to be brought 114 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,480 because that's you know, an important part of this is, and I think 115 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,639 it's getting lost in the mix, is that when Bragg's case was brought, 116 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:41,960 he ran on a get Trump platform and no one took it seriously at first. 117 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,639 That is when Trump's numbers in the Republican primary started to climb and DeSantis 118 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,320 has started to decline. So actually this did happen. Everyone's like, you 119 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,159 know, saying, is probably there's all these polls showing that it's effect on 120 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,159 the election so far at least has been minimal, and like in the general 121 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,480 election, that's true, But this we might not have had the general election 122 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,360 that we had without Alvian Bragg opening the floodgates. And you know, I 123 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,600 think this, all of this was inevitable. It was always going to happen. 124 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:11,679 So it's sort of a silly hypothetical, but he really did influence the 125 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Republican primary. And just because we're past it doesn't mean we should forget that 126 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,919 there was an actual political outcome of his politics. And Democrats weren't that bullish 127 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:22,879 on this at first. They thought that this was the dumb case. Many 128 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,159 of them still, I mean in the New York Times, there was an 129 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,279 about in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago saying, you know, 130 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,960 I was so wrong about the Alvian Bragg case, like this one sucks. 131 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,759 The case is not it's not good. And I wanted to zero on 132 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:39,360 the point that you made about to change their minds on that though, because 133 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,480 it looks like it's the only one that's going to go before the election, 134 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,120 and it looks like it's likely that they're going to get a conviction. And 135 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,240 Adiy McCarty's right case exactly, and Andy McCarthy said that that's because of the 136 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:54,639 way that Judge Wan Marshawn and Andy McCarthy is not pro Trump by any stretch 137 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,759 of the imagination. So anybody thinks this analysis is colored by that is being 138 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,000 ridiculous. But that because of the way the judge, whose daughter is a 139 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:09,159 Democratic consultant, allowed the child to proceed, that it was rigged in favor 140 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:15,279 of the prosecution and against Donald Trump because he allowed all of these novel legal 141 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,919 maneuverings to stand, et cetera, et cetera. And let's combine that with 142 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,279 the reality that even MSNBC, to your point Chris, is saying, this 143 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,039 is a quote novel legal theory, which you know they will concede because they'll 144 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,279 do it to congratulate alb and Bag, like, Oh, look at how 145 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,679 novel this legal theory is that you're using to get Trump. So anytime you're 146 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:41,519 using a novel legal theory to get the former president of the United States on 147 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,919 a partisan basis, you're in trouble. And as much as i'd like to, 148 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,240 you know, lock white collar criminals up, do it on a non 149 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,879 partisan basis, please, because there's a fine line. And if you're on 150 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,679 one side of that line and you're doing a non partisan basis, great, 151 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,360 We have a rule of law if you're doing it on a partisan basis. 152 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:01,799 We haven't been at republic. Yeah, And that's that's kind of the issue 153 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,879 here is it's it's going to be annoying to see all the correct shouts of 154 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,000 hypocrisy and unfair, because I mean, those are just the shrill yells of 155 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,879 people who aren't in power, Like my eight year old yells unfair. I 156 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,559 don't care. He's usually right who he's often he often is it's not who 157 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,600 cares about fairness? Fairness complaining about fairness as a child's thing to do. 158 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Complaining about hypocrisy is the adult version of a child complaining about fairness. Who 159 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,279 cares? I mean. A friend of mine met with Trump in the summer 160 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:37,200 of twenty twenty in the Oval office and said to him, he said, 161 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,399 you know, regardless of what happens in the selection, eventually you'll leave office, 162 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,559 and uh, they're going to come after you. They're gonna they're gonna 163 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,799 take your money, they're gonna take your property, they're gonna go after your 164 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,320 kids, which I haven't really done as much yet. Uh, they're gonna 165 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,840 try and put you in prison. And he said, he said that Trump 166 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:56,039 looks shocked and like kind of afraid, Like he said, one of the 167 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:00,639 only one of the only two times you ever saw Trump look right about something, 168 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,519 And it kind of fits into this. One of Trump's blind sides if 169 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:11,360 a serial administrators first administration is he really didn't seem to understand just how much 170 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,000 people were go, how far people were going to go to hurt him, 171 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,639 how far the state would go, how far the Pentagon would go to disobey 172 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:24,120 him, how far intelligencies would come to destroy him, to how his how 173 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:28,440 his own staff and administration would work with all stratut of society at some points 174 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,600 to stop him. Right, Like Chris Ray, I think he was initially 175 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:37,320 pretty supportive of Camy things like that. Yeah, and he thought that, 176 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,399 Okay, I'll hire some generals. He was always really impressed with generals, 177 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,759 and I'll put them in charge, and I'll tell them some things and I'll 178 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,720 treat some things and they'll do it. And it's like Matt Dog Kelly John 179 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,480 Bolton from the Neo kon Flank. Yeah, eventually even brought in Bolton. 180 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:58,360 I think he just consistently underestimated this and this is an example of that. 181 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,720 I mean, they're coming at him they're going to get him if not this 182 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,480 and something else is really He's kind of correct to have looked out a year 183 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,679 and a half ago and seeing that the only safe space if we're going to 184 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,879 play kids games, the only base where you can't get tagged is the White 185 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,320 House. I can get there as fast as possible. But this is the 186 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,480 reality of the power dynamics of the country, and really the only thing standing 187 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,440 in the way of it is the Supreme Court is the only institution with any 188 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,039 kind of power really left in the country, and it's not even reliable. 189 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,840 Well, I don't think that's going to I mean, sadly, I really 190 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:41,000 think because we're in such a climate of institutional distrust that the attacks, the 191 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:50,440 drum beat, the onslaught that has coordinated opposition research being eaten up by the 192 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,399 elite press is going to work to totally demolish what's left of public trust in 193 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,200 the Supreme Court. I think it is going to be effective. That's terrifying, 194 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:03,600 but it's something that we have to It's a reality we have to grapple 195 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,159 with. You know, to your point about Donald Trump himself, everyone saw 196 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,919 what happened to Richard Nixon, and we look back on it as sort of 197 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,840 a noble act that Gerald Ford pardoned him, even though people weren't super happy 198 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,240 about it at the time. And I just as a country, it takes 199 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,279 a while to sink in, even though some there's some voices crying out in 200 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:26,720 the wilderness, like they were with campuses for years until twenty twenty, and 201 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:30,159 people looked around and they were like, whoa, these campuses are a little 202 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:33,320 out of control, Like why do these students really want to tear down those 203 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,399 statues of abolitionists. It's like yes, and yes, they will put the 204 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,799 former president of the United States in jail, and they will not want to 205 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,200 pardon. They will keep him there. Nobody's pardoning him, and he could 206 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,720 go to rikers. He could be convicted of multiple cases. Nobody really knows 207 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,879 what happens next. But if I hear one more boomers say well it was 208 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,919 or something to sorry about that, it's like shut up. If he gets 209 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,559 convicted and the judge calls for presidents going to prison, well, secret Service 210 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:01,919 has something to say about that. What are we talking about war? I 211 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,879 mean, seriously, are we talking about a outbreak of civil war? Seriously? 212 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,840 What does that mean? Yeah, I think things are getting really really 213 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,279 ugly in a way that we're not prepared for. And I don't think we're 214 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,200 prepared for this conviction to come down, like all of the polling ahead of 215 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,879 it. Fine, it's useful, but asking people how they're going to feel 216 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,399 about a former president being convicted, we don't know, we don't. White 217 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,679 House is already preparing to change their social media to change the former president's title 218 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,480 to convicted fellon Donald Trump, and that's the hope, is that they'll scare 219 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,080 white women. I mean, the White House is kind of just they're freaked 220 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,480 out by the polls. The calls are getting shriller and shriller every day. 221 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,799 In the press from this week, it was a political article that there's a 222 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:50,200 full blown meltdown going on with the Democratic Party over Joe Biden and is sinking 223 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,679 poone numbers, that they're freaked out by the rising phone numbers for Trump with 224 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,080 blacks and Hispanics. They're freaked out even though they're presenting not to me. 225 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,960 By the rally through New York. That was widely attended that the even the 226 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,039 press had to look out and say, it's largely white, but it's still 227 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,559 a rather diverse crowd, like you and even they had to say that so 228 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,919 good. And now you've got this which is kind of their ace in the 229 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:18,879 hole, and you have Joe Biden going out with Kamala Harris and a rare 230 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,159 of joint appearance, you know. Oh yeah, we have a black VP 231 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,799 going out and and listing off all of the crimes that Donald Trump has committed 232 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,679 against black people, apparently claims that he denies them rent it was like a 233 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,919 slum lord, all these different sorts of things about Trump. They used that 234 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:42,000 in twenty sixteen. Yeah, they did. So they're doubling down on the 235 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,480 darkest of the great Unifier, the Great console or the return to normalcy, 236 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,720 is doubling down on the absolute darkest aspects of Oh no, we're losing the 237 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:55,679 blacks. Better tell them that Donald Trump is a slave lord. Oh no, 238 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,399 we're losing democracy. Better imprison the political op position. And yeah, 239 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,680 I think it's part of the panic and part of the will to power the 240 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,160 Democrats have that you do not see on the American right. And I just 241 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,160 think that it's about to get I'll just say this again. I'd only we're 242 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,160 prepared. I don't think we know how the country is going to react. 243 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,559 It's one of those things where it's like, you know, maybe the first 244 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,680 time somebody goes on TV and they're really prepared and they go on and they 245 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,839 bomb. It's like, you can prepare for something like that all you want. 246 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,680 You don't know what's going to happen on the day. No, because 247 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,279 actually, you know what, it's funny that you say that, because you 248 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:40,240 are the reason I actually give you credit. I was leaving a YAFF conference 249 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:44,839 when I worked there to go to Fox, and the last person I talked 250 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,799 to before I left was you, and you told me ask them to keep 251 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,519 the monitor off and you'll be fine. And when I got in there, 252 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,400 I didn't really know what that meant because I had never done it before. 253 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,519 And when I got in there, sure enough, I said, hey, 254 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:02,440 could you turn that monitor off? Worked like a charm perfect, Thanks kill 255 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Yeah, thanks Chris. It was like ten years ago. Oh we were 256 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,279 young then, Well done, well done, yes, But anyway, you 257 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:11,559 never know. It's one of those things that's like you just you can prepare 258 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:14,799 for it. You never know how the country is actually going to react, 259 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,559 and you know, we didn't know how the country was going to react. 260 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:19,720 On January sixth, basically, nobody expected, even the people who were like 261 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,720 monitoring social media, nobody knew what was going to happen. And sadly, 262 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:27,200 I think we're I don't think it's an unknown in a good direction. I 263 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,039 think it's an unknown in a really really scary direction. And even I mean, 264 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:34,920 I don't think there's acquittals coming. I'd be happy to be like, 265 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,200 oh, look at that doom saying guy, he's wrong, but uh no, 266 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,240 I don't think so. I think it's coming. I don't think anybody 267 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:47,240 does. And a hung jury is basically the best of the defense you can 268 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:51,640 really hope for on this. And then I mean, it's it's, as 269 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,559 I say, it's novel legal theory territory. So we just will see where 270 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,279 it goes, which, by the way, is one thing if you're trying 271 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:02,000 a normal case. It's another thing if you're trying to form a president of 272 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,599 the United States. I mean, it's kind of interesting if you're trying to 273 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,680 put away al Capone, Yeah, which is really what they think they're doing. 274 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,640 Well, yeah, it's why we've like, it's why we tolerated Rico, 275 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,799 because people are like, well, it's being used against really bad guys. 276 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:17,519 And then you Look at what these prosecutors do with Rico. You look 277 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:19,200 what Fanny Willis does. Fannie Willis does with Rico, And you're like, 278 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,279 you can call her Fanny if you want. Give me a break. Well, 279 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:27,279 I've accidentally called her Fanny forever because he is Fanny her text message nicknames 280 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:30,200 are far weirder than that. Really, I haven't even I've read some of 281 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,440 them. Oh man, in court, I'm not even gonna this is a 282 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:37,880 children This is a children's show. This is a children show. You're telling 283 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:48,160 me now. Yet sometimes I do warnings about adult content, saying, you 284 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,640 know, I don't want to if you're listening to the car with your kids, 285 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:53,440 I want to skip to the next one, which makes me feel like 286 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:00,480 Tipper Gore. You know you didn't laugh at that was to for Gore, 287 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,440 the one who wanted the parental warnings on the front of CDs. Yeah, 288 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,279 she wanted to put people like you in jail. People don't know this about 289 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,079 Chris. He was a He had like blue spiky hair punk rockers. Yeah 290 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,079 yeah, cool, yeah, hell yeah hell yeah. Okay. So uh, 291 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,000 not moving on from this, but moving into the future again, there's 292 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,920 a lot we don't know. That's going to happen. But Chris, I 293 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,680 just think, you know, Trump is fighting quite literally for his freedom in 294 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,079 the selection, and he knows it. And I think there's a good chance 295 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,119 that if he's convicted, and if he's sentenced to three months, it actually 296 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,680 helps him because the chaos is then going to be coming from Biden. People 297 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,440 aren't like, oh finally he just people are going to see that if you 298 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,119 put Trump in jail, you give Trump even more of a platform. He's 299 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:55,240 going to be calling in from Prisone. Well he's going to I mean, 300 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:56,680 he's going to be all over the media. Still you can't do that. 301 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,960 He's still going to be all over You have all the other cases that he's 302 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,359 in court for, because you're not going to get rid of those. And 303 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,160 either way, there's going to be more chaos, not less as a result 304 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,160 of them putting Trump in prison. I mean, the Northern Irish usedter every 305 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,799 now and then elects elects somebody who is in prison in the British Parliament. 306 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Remember Don Blankenship in West Virginia. Yeah, yeah, I mean one British 307 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,160 member of Parliament died on hunger strike and in British prison. That's uh, 308 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,359 you know, This turned out to be very bad pr for for the British 309 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 government to have that happen, at at least in what Ireland there was. 310 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,920 Okay, So what you're saying that it's gonna be bad peer for Trump, 311 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 I think it'd well, I think it'd be good pr for Trump. Generally, 312 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,640 it's been very bad for the Republic. Trump's got a good feeling on 313 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,440 this too. Other I think at this moment he's actually worried and tired, 314 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:48,279 and it's it's really insane that the judge is not even letting him go home, 315 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,440 but it's making him wait in the courthouse for the jury to the liberate. 316 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,839 That's just constant and dignities that these people that the judges is push is 317 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:02,359 pushing on Trump. But you know, he kind of always knew it was 318 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,359 kind of his stick that bad press is good press. He wrote about this 319 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,880 in his first book, and then people wrote about it later in his later 320 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,960 books. But I mean, there's one story when the Trump Tower came out 321 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,200 and a better opened in New York, and a better place that was nicer 322 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,279 opened nearby with lower prices, and his guy's panicked, and he was like, 323 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,759 keep the prices up. People will think that it's nicer. That's how 324 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,039 I ended up paying like a quarter of a million dollars for college, because 325 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,039 the president of GW is like, people will think we're fancier if we just 326 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,319 increased the price. Yeah, you went. You went to American University for 327 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,440 people who are impressed by price tags. Yes, that's it. Well done 328 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,279 to both of us, Well done. We both made such good decisions as 329 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,000 eighteen year olds. I went to American University. Don't You don't have as 330 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,640 many choices as you'd think when you get expelled from high school and then almost 331 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,799 got expelled from college almost almost close only counts. Of course she was in 332 00:22:53,839 --> 00:23:02,000 Hagernads, but we don't speak of that. Yeah, I mean, this 333 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:04,160 is an easy thing that gloss over. But Biden is campaigning, and he 334 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,000 did in twenty twenty on decency and normalcy, and that's his main pitch, 335 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:15,880 that Donald Trump is a chaotic and malignant force. And it's so much harder 336 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,680 to make that case when your party just you know, we're recording this to 337 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,880 the likely conviction. But you know, either way, people are going to 338 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,880 the polls and what they want to do is just freaking vote, you know, 339 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,079 like they don't want to weigh on their minds that one of these candidates 340 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,279 is in prison. Like nobody wants that. I mean, maybe you know, 341 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,680 some chunk of the dem base wants that. People I just mean like 342 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:41,920 no, but I mean most of the country doesn't want to speaking to But 343 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,960 who is that? Yeah, answer that question. This is a great question. 344 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:51,079 Who's speaking? Who is Robin? The hardcore Manhattan Democrats? I don't 345 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,759 really know. It was obviously a dumb decision by the campaign. Doesn't have 346 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:57,960 down there. Kind of reminded me of the uh, the Clint Eastwood speech 347 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,279 in twenty twelve. The chair, Yeah, because I went, I went 348 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:03,359 about the security, I stood in the balcony. I was like, all 349 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,400 right, this is going to be a clinic. Stwood's going to deliver this 350 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,400 crushing blow for what ended up being the most embarrassing vote of my life from 351 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,440 it Romney, But no one could hear him, and he was just kept 352 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,319 on gesturing. No one in the in the citium could hear him. TV 353 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,279 kept on this gesturing towards this chair is Tampa. Yeah, in Tampa. 354 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,079 They reminded me of that with the just an elderly man yelling at a chair 355 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,319 in Tampa. That's funny is Sarah Bedford remembers that as like a real pumpy 356 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:37,880 up moment she got. She was going Sarah's college politics are hysterical. She's 357 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,000 got she remember, so we went to school together. She wrote for the 358 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,519 Wall Street Journal. Yeah you know what you know? She said for The 359 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Street Journal. Yeah, I forget exactly what it is, but ye don't 360 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,240 embarrass her. It was something that really it was something a little cringe. 361 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,119 It was just very college Republican, it was. It was but hey, 362 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:59,599 I haven't done that, so good for her. But there's a subset of 363 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,039 people like the folks who friends of mine, like family of mine who kicks 364 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:08,000 me and my friends out of their house because I made a joke about by 365 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,279 kind of being now and then like destroyed dinner. It was like cursing. 366 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:17,240 There were kids at the table like curse you, curse you, how dare 367 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:18,640 you? You will not like in this at this house? Like those are 368 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,720 the people. Then when Robert DeNiro comes out and says nine to eleven almost 369 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,519 destroyed the city. We're not going to let Donald Trump destroy the city. 370 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,200 He's going to destroy this country. Donald Trump will destroy the world. And 371 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,680 this is funny. He was like reading off of a script too, like 372 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:36,920 bad reading with people honking their horns, really dumb stuff like Donald Trump will 373 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,240 destroy America. He had to write that down. Imaginally, I was sitting 374 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,039 him, sitting at his multimillion dollar home in the suburbs, being like Donald 375 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,039 like writing it down. Oh, this is a good speech. I can't 376 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:51,039 remember the address. Yeah, short and sweet, like you're like proud of 377 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,720 his Wife's like what are you doing. He's like, I'm busy. I'm 378 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:59,200 right speech writing. Yeah, he's got like an infant four month old somewhere 379 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,039 in the house. Oh that's de Niro. Yeah, I forgot about the 380 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,279 narrow keeps on having kids in not even like the natural way. She's a 381 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,039 dog. He's a strange dude. Yeah, strange dude. But you're making 382 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:17,640 up actually an interesting point that it's somewhere in the Biden campaign or maybe you 383 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,039 know what, Maybe it was this, Maybe it was de Niro asking to 384 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,359 speak, because sometimes that happens with celebrities. But someone in the Biden campaign 385 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,519 they're like, hey, let's either get de Niro or well let them speak, 386 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,279 And then they brought the January sixth guys out right, So they brought 387 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,000 fenon and Harry Dunn was Tuesday, the fraudulent j six hero so just lost 388 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:40,160 his congressional primary. Tuesday in Manhattan. They had de Niro getting jeered and 389 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:45,400 honked at. You had Harry Dunn, Michael Fanone trying to make this very 390 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:51,279 very very twenty twenty reducts argument that this is about decency, democracy, normalcy, 391 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:55,720 civility. And it worked, you know, on the margins in twenty 392 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,519 twenty. It got those suburban voters one one Wisconsin could be delivered well. 393 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,880 And also, by the way, that version of Joe Biden wasn't lock Donald 394 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,680 Trump up Joe Biden. It was I am America's grandfather, Joe Biden. 395 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,720 And if you're running this campaign for the MSNBC viewers, I do think you 396 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,319 are alienating. I don't think they understand the consequence. Also saying on the 397 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,000 border of Joe Biden, that's the reason why the Democrats party put everything behind 398 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:23,519 him when the primaries, because everyone else up there is like, we should 399 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,680 decriminalize it insane. On the economy, everyone else was Medicare for all, 400 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:32,640 and he was the one holdout on Medicare for all, and so people were 401 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,640 like, I just one promise that that's one thing he didn't go back on, 402 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:40,160 but everything else he's he's running as the far left person. So even 403 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,279 when you go out there and say, like as Joe Biden said of Paul 404 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,039 Ryan, him around me, he's going to put you all back in chains. 405 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,960 Another actual quote from The Man of Decency, Yes twelve. It's like 406 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,079 black people were citizens of the United States when Donald Trump was president for four 407 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:04,359 years. Debatable. They kidding, That's what NBC will say. There are 408 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,160 a lot of people just like, just like everyone else, remember that things 409 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:14,799 were better. Well, I mean the economy is on the analyzes and sort 410 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,359 of the left. They'll say, oh, but look at how the economy 411 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,079 tanked in twenty twenty. And it's like you blameing Trump now for COVID, 412 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,559 which is all of the fear Maundery doesn't work as well. When people feel 413 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:34,319 like things are bad now and we're good, then I'm fine potentially blaming the 414 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:41,440 Trump administration for COVID. Because this was happening, this research was these grants 415 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,240 were well I guess the grant, but well, the grants were being enacted 416 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,720 on the walk to the Trump administration. And this is a full circle to 417 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,359 the beginning of what you were talking about, Chris, is how Donald Trump 418 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,640 sort of underestimated the depth of the deep state. You know, how deep 419 00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,480 the corruption went, all the way over to a lab in Wuhan that was 420 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,960 that had grants from the American taxpayers. You probably needed to be russ vote 421 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920 to be worried about the money going to who at that point exactly and before 422 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,279 the administration were doing it. But it probably seems like something he would know, 423 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,200 but not enough rest votes in the world. It's the staff a future 424 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,000 drump administration or to save America. Yeah, so anyway, I'm my prediction 425 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,759 is that things are about to get dark, and I think you share up 426 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:32,240 the prediction. Chris, Yeah, I'm fairly down. I mean, let's 427 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440 say he's not convicted. It's a hung Jerry, Yeah, let's say that. 428 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:41,119 Okay, it's hypothetical he wins the election and as president okay himself, 429 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,640 we're still in more trouble than four years of a Donald Trump administration can fix. 430 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:51,440 Hmm. Yeah, that's true. Well, what but be great memes, 431 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,839 great laws, The excitement of those four years will be back. Chris 432 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,000 is ready to fit tears the tiers across college campus, we'll be funny again 433 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,599 as opposed to like slightly disconcerting. I don't know, I see. I 434 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,240 actually I genuinely don't agree with that, because I just think if we if 435 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,920 we had one version of well, we had the twenty twenty riots, which 436 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,279 were violent, and you know, literally dozens of people died, even though 437 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,240 the media never talks about it, but dozens of people died as a result 438 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,480 of anti police violence in twenty twenty, anti anti Trump, anti police, 439 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,240 and race violence, race violence in twenty twenty. You know, people died 440 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,640 as a result of January sixth, but the capital was literally sacked. You 441 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,240 know, I'm not an insurrection part. I don't call that an insurrection. 442 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,240 Shot January six A woman was shot on January sixth trying to get in the 443 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,680 Senate chamber like a veteran. I was like the only person at the Federals 444 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,920 who thought that if you try to like blast into the Senate chamber during a 445 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,279 violent riot when you're being told to stop, you might get shot. You 446 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,839 might get shot, Yes, and well not, I don't think you were 447 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,319 the only person who thought that, but it was it was such a I 448 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:03,519 mean, we could we don't need to get back into that. But I 449 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:08,440 just really think now that there's a conviction that you know, either outcome is 450 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,400 going to be something that ratchet's up tension. You know. I don't think 451 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:18,319 the sort of suburban MSNBC extreme Biden partisans are going to be the ones rioting, 452 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,359 but I think they're going to stir the pot that you know, just 453 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,559 like twenty twenty brings people out into the streets. Absolutely, I say that 454 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,359 you just need teenage animals to go out there and start looting. A lot 455 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,640 of the people who are out there riding don't have a local purpose for every 456 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,079 like for every white girl and Lululemon shorts or pants, screaming that the black 457 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,160 police officer is a racist. Actually there's six people just want to like get 458 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,079 into the Gucci store. That's the real chaos or Yeah, I think, 459 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,480 yeah, January sixth was more political probably for most of the people that were 460 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,839 there, like they yeah, it was different. Yeah, it was different. 461 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960 But sadly my predictions that were just going to see a lot more of 462 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,880 that. I'm not saying it'll be every day, even though it kind of 463 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:05,000 was rolling throughout the summer of twenty twenty. But you always see that beler. 464 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:12,160 When when political violence becomes dominant in history, it's always something beforehand. 465 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,079 It's little things that start to build up, to build up oscillates back of 466 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,119 the leading Kansas John Brown. Yeah, yeah, the violence just builds. 467 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,559 Even in Rome, I think it was like fifty years before political violence was 468 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,440 standard, or maybe about fifty sixty years after the surround of assassinations. It 469 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,680 just kind of just it never really recovered. Violence entered politics in a way 470 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,839 that's it doesn't come back from before there's a large reset. Yeah, yeah, 471 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,799 no, I think that's right. It's that's all I was saying about 472 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,759 how the memes will be funny again. It's like, well, I guess, 473 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,079 but it's going to be harder to laugh at them. Oh you have 474 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,400 to take the Roger Stone tactic, which is Roger Stone and makes a tattoo 475 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,039 on your back. He understands that the world is on fire, and he's 476 00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,200 determined to enjoy himself. The world is on fire. I'm also determined to 477 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,960 enjoy myself. I just can't guarantee that I'm always going to be in the 478 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,640 mood. Christopher Bedford, anything else you want to add to this discussion While 479 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,039 we await the jury results. Hi, I'd love to be wrong. I'd 480 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,000 love to be wrong, all right, all right, I sadly hope I'm 481 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,960 wrong on that too, because I think I agree with you on that point. 482 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,839 But Christopher Bedford has the newsletter going so far it's excellent. We're up 483 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,920 to three days a week now. Whoa Okay, you were originally just going 484 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,319 to do one. Originally one, and then by the time I launched it 485 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,359 was two, and now it's three. And it's all because of my wife. 486 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,119 She keeps on saying, push, push yourself. It's not the people 487 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,759 clamoring for It's actually been great. It's been kind of it's been flattering how 488 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,200 many people have come up to me instead, I've been really enjoying it or 489 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,480 known specifics about it and way that they wouldn't have to and folks reaching out, 490 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,799 and it's been great. It's been a lot of fun. And I'm 491 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:54,240 that kind of person who might have a two week assignment and then we're just 492 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,680 like in college, I would just take a bunch of adderall and stay up 493 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,880 all night cramming for it the night before and know I had two weeks, 494 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,039 so I work well on deadlines and holy smokes, that's deadline. I have 495 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,039 to get this out Monday, Wednesday Friday. So now I'm trying to write 496 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,679 too right now, And as Sarah points out, I probably need to get 497 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,519 a little bit better at time management. Well, you know, I like 498 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:20,599 the three week I think that's a great pace. It's not making you stuff 499 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,760 it with filler like Playbook and punch Bowl often do. And you just really 500 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,480 smartly cornered something in the market. So well done, Chris, thanks a 501 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,719 lot yep the Blaze dot com lash Bedford. Make sure to sign up for 502 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,119 a premium account on the Federalist dot com no ads, There all kinds of 503 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,280 benefits. You get comments and conversations with Federalist staff in those comments, and 504 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,199 every once in a while premium content. So on that note, stay tuned 505 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,599 to tomorrow's edition of the show. It will be a little personal announcement at 506 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,599 beginning. There. I'm in Malejarshinski, culture editor here at the Federalist. 507 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,840 Joint today by Christopher Bedford of The Blaze. I'm excited for tomorrow's show. 508 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000 You're a regular listener, maybe I'll come by. Alright, we'll be back 509 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:05,320 soon with more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray