1 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:07,799 Hi, everyone, This is Christina and Carmen. Carmen, I put it 2 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,400 down, I did it before. Sorry. I was about to drink a 3 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:15,359 sip of my coffee and then Christina start introducing us, even though we had 4 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,399 agreed that we're going to start. Yeah, and you still so. I 5 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:22,800 guess it was my fault. It was your fault. Yeah. Anyway, 6 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:27,600 this is a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things spooky and sometimes true 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 crime, sometimes both, and that's what we're doing today. It's going to 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,759 be a depressing episode. Throwing that out out there right now. I'm sorry. 9 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:43,200 Before we get into our depressing topics. I have a listener story and 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,439 if you want to send in, Yes, if you want to send in 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,560 your stories for us to read, you can email Spooky Tales at gmail dot 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,280 com. You can DM us on our socials. You can call the Spooky 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,079 Hotline, which is what this listener did. That's always fun. You can 14 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,840 also attach a void notes and email it. We have a couple that we're 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,079 going to be listening to over the next few episodes because lately we've been getting 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,040 more voice stories instead of emails or not emails. But like written out, 17 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:14,840 I love guy, you know I mean too, I love that for us. 18 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:19,359 So are you ready to listen to this one? M all right? 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,280 One? Two, three? Plays Hey and Spooky. I love listening to 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,000 you guys. I'm a truck driver and I just be on the road just 21 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:34,000 laughing and getting a little spooked out. And I love how you guys are 22 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,680 so real about topics that are going on in the world, like speak that 23 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:42,359 truth, because yeah, everybody needs to hear the shoes. So anyways, 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,640 I hope it doesn't cut off. But I had when I was little, 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,599 I used to have, well I still have like really scary dreams, like 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,719 about demon and the devil, and I'm always falling to God in my dreams, 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,239 like I don't know what is going on about that. But when I 28 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:07,280 was little, I lived in a story house and I lived upstairs, and 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:16,240 I had a dream where it was like a newscast and they were talking about 30 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,439 like what was going on and everything, and then they said, in further 31 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:29,879 news, Tracy, there's monstage in your backyard, and I was like, 32 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,919 I was so scared. I woke up and I went downstairs and looked in 33 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,919 my backyard and I looked at the swings, and the swings were like moving 34 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:43,520 back and forth so fast, and there was no wind or anything, and 35 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,319 I got scared. But yeah, that's my story helping scared you a little 36 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:58,360 bit by it did. Oh my god, that was terrifying. The voice 37 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,360 scared me. Yeah, the wow, Oh my god. I love her 38 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:08,479 the way she delivered the story and everything she said though what Yeah, no, 39 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,879 true, I loved it, but that was creepy scary. The delivery 40 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,560 of the message in her dream really scary. I can't I can't do voices 41 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:28,680 like that, so uh voice acting much right, But waking up and then 42 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:32,199 seeing the swings moving, Oh my god. Yeah that's scary. That just 43 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:38,000 like solidifies the nightmare you had is real. Yeah. It reminds me of 44 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:42,879 the last time we recorded and I told you about my friend's experience. That 45 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,400 was so scary. I almost screamed, as did I when she told me. 46 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,759 And you said that in the episode, you said the scream you scrumped. 47 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:57,000 Yeah. Yeah, they meant every every scrump. Yeah, that was 48 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,599 so scary. Thank you so much for sending that in. Again, I 49 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,879 love the voice messages because you get to hear people's like short stories yes yea, 50 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,439 and their own voices. I love that too. People have the best, 51 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,560 like accents, the best like what are it like? Tone? Not 52 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,680 tone, but like intonation? Is that a word? That's not a word. 53 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,199 I think is the way you're safe thing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 54 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:23,000 that's a good yeah, I guess. Yeah that's accent, isn't it? 55 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,000 Okay? Oh yeah, and their accent well everything that makes you you. 56 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:30,480 Everyone is perfect and special. Well not perfect, but you know, 57 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,920 see, but special. Yes, I just loved it. I loved it 58 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:41,000 me too. Okay, So do you want to start out our their breasting 59 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:45,519 topic today? Yeah? So I'm assuming we're talking about Chile as a whole, 60 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:47,759 not as a whole, but a lot of topics, both the haunting 61 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:53,759 story and that true crime story are from Chile. Yes, okay, so 62 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,120 I'm going to be talking about a haunted stadium in Chile and soccer stadiums. 63 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,560 You've talked about them on the pod before. I recall it. But also 64 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:08,199 I don't Steca. Oh yeah, yeah, Stariasteca. And I'll never forget 65 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:12,639 that I got attacked on TikTok really I said it was it was my fault, 66 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,639 can you say? Because obviously it's America, the soccer team, it's 67 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,600 their stadium. And another team borrows the stadium, and I said it was 68 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:30,800 the other team, not Man. Yeah, that I got attacked. You've 69 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,560 always been an America hater first of all, though, so I think you 70 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,639 did it subconsciously. I think you're right, and as a former and I 71 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,000 say former because I'm not into soccer, but if I was, I would 72 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,319 be an America fan. And I don't even know how I started to be 73 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:51,439 an America fan because our family, our family is split because everyone everyone except 74 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,079 Recipes, our grandfather, yeah, and our cousin Christian, And it was 75 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,600 for Atlas and then everyone else loved America because of me. I almost feel 76 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,519 like she did it on purpose, that she got all the kids. Oh 77 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,040 I didn't. I didn't realize who was the America fan and how that started. 78 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,279 I didn't know that and I and I don't even know how that happened, 79 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,920 because well, it's only right as her namesake that I am also in 80 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,680 America a former America fan. That's true. You guys are both cadmins. 81 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:26,639 You're the only cadmans. So yeah, anyway, that's how that started. 82 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:30,600 And so yeah, I think you're right that I subconsciously left out America on 83 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,040 purpose and then yeah, I got a tagged as you deserve. I don't 84 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,319 remember. I'm gonna have to re listen because I don't remember that. This 85 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:40,639 must have been a while ago, because I made the story on TikTok to 86 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,240 correspond with the release of the episode. But in the episode I said the 87 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:49,040 right, So it's just on TikTok and yeah, one of the least forgiving 88 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:54,759 platform. And man, some of these Mexican men were like, you stupid 89 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,439 bitch. Oh too much. No, but of course Mexican men go there, 90 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,360 you know. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, okay, yeah, 91 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:09,360 back to a haunted stadium in Chile. So stadiums soccer stadiums iconic throughout 92 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:14,800 Latin America and even meccas for passionate soccer fans all over the world. Stadiums 93 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:20,279 like Azteca in Mexico City, Maracana and Brazil, and Centennardio and Uruguay have 94 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:26,560 hosted legendary soccer games throughout history that include the first World Cup final in nineteen 95 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,879 sixty eight to the more recent twenty fourteen World Cup Final. But some stadiums 96 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:36,600 in Latin America also possess a sinister past, a darker energy for some reason. 97 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,720 I want to say, like sinistry, like ministry. Interesting. Yeah, 98 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,680 that's not a word, is it? No, it's not okay. 99 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,560 One of the most popular stadiums, Elstadio Nacional Julio martinezrads O Catsup, Catch 100 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:56,319 my bro in Santiago, Chile, is said to have that dark energy surrounding 101 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,600 it, probably due to the country. It's a dark past for those of 102 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,639 you that know about South American history. It's not a surprise why the stadium 103 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,000 was completed by nineteen thirty eight, and by nineteen sixty two it had already 104 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:16,399 hosted a World Cup final. There were at least seventy one hundred fans that 105 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:22,000 watched Brazil beat Checkos seventy Is it seventy hundred or seventy thousand? That's why 106 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,879 I pause, Should I leave at it or cut it? Seventy hundred thousand? 107 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,840 Seventy thousand? I think I write hundred. I thinks that sounds okay. 108 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,799 Let me preface this because Carmen and I are terrible at numbers. I 109 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:43,360 believe we have this, this calcolia, this caw cool. I can't say 110 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,559 the word. You're right, it's a ten thousand because seventy hundred number. 111 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,960 No, it's not. I was like, that sounds so wrong. Anyway, 112 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,000 we can't read numbers. We suck a math. But do you see 113 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:54,919 how long I pause was I'm like that sounds wrong. Yeah, no, 114 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,799 I know, And that's why I had to burst in and be like, 115 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,600 that's not an that's not right right, As everyone knows, I am math 116 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,080 illiterate, which is what Lena said. We have the dyslexia of maths. 117 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,960 Yeah, it's a real thing. I promise, I'm sure, I believe 118 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,279 you. And it co exists with ADHD many many times. And uh, 119 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:24,840 this explains why we were seniors in algebra where we're the only seniors in algebra 120 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,360 after going through pre algebra ONEBRA two up to like eight or some shit. 121 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,759 Yeah. Anyway, point is you said the number wrong? Okay? Yeah. 122 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,000 There were at least seventy thousand fans that watched Brazil be Czechoslovakia three to 123 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,519 one, but by nineteen seventy three, the stadium's glory days were in its 124 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:52,600 past. A military coup did away with Chile's first elected socialist president, Yes 125 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:56,960 and in the process turned the stadium into a political prisoner camp. When US 126 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,320 backed military dictator Agusto Pino. She came into power, he began to round 127 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,639 up Chileans who supported or worked for the previous socialist government. And we're not 128 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,039 going to get much into that, but if you're interested in topics like that, 129 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,759 then you can check out our other podcasts Estoia's Unknown and where we talk 130 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:24,759 about Latin American history and it often involves dictatorships koops where socially or democratically elected 131 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,919 officials are overthrown with the help of the US. Yeah. Yeah, US 132 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:37,600 involvement in Latin America causing massacre, decade of horrific conditions. Yes, yes, 133 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080 yes, And if you're into that, and if that's your jam, 134 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:46,639 then check out estodia is Unknown, where we will cover it as much as 135 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,440 much as we can. Yeah. Yeah, So those who survived witnessed atrocities 136 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:58,000 inside the stadium's walls. Records say about forty one prisoners were murdered in the 137 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,440 stadium while was the prison camp for eight weeks, but there's no official record 138 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,320 saying how many prisoners were held at the stadium. The American Red Cross estimates 139 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,879 that over eleven thousand Chileans went through the prison camp at some point. Sorry, 140 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,799 I had to hold back a laugh because I was gonna say eleven hundred 141 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,279 again, oh god, oh god, but I didn't. I said it 142 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,440 right, good job, good job, thank you. Little Sammy and my 143 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,039 two year old he would say good job. And I highly appreciate that. 144 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,159 I put my shoes on and he told me good job. I love that. 145 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,960 I want to go up there and do something right, just so he 146 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:41,039 tells me good job. He will, and he will. Some survivors have 147 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,559 told news outlets that they were beaten, blindfolded, electrocuted, and given cigarette 148 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,600 burns. Felippe Aguero spoke with New York Times reporter David Walstein in twenty fifteen. 149 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,200 He told The Times that he remembered being held underground at gunpoint and being 150 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,240 told to remain silent. F FI officials inspected the stadium after the Soviet Union 151 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,360 refused to play a qualifying match against chilean the stadium because of reports that the 152 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,360 stadium was a place of blood. He said, we wanted to yell out 153 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,120 and say hey, we're here, look at us. But they seemed only 154 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,440 interested in the condition of the grass. Did they know people were down there? 155 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,240 No? Right, they like suspected, okay, but but there was 156 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,559 no and it's it's not like Chilean officials were going to let them go look 157 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,799 either, So but I get it, like exactly, Yeah, and they 158 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,919 had the backing of the US. Yeah, and then him and the rest 159 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,639 of the prisoners hearing people and like trying to call out for the attention, 160 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,080 the helplessness and terror they must have felt. Truly, it's it's horrifying, 161 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:50,000 I meanan. Some of the worst worse human violations, human rights violations occurred 162 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 in Chile during this time, yeah, which you went a little bit into 163 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,480 it when we talked about adoptions in Chile, yeah, and ours known episode, 164 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:01,360 but not fully into it because man, it's it's terrible. Yeah, 165 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:07,960 but yeah, all of the disappeared also led to a bunch of children being 166 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:13,120 left without parents, which also fostered a you know, corruption in the adoption 167 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,320 industry, which we talk about in that episode. So, survivors also witnessed 168 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,639 several prisoners get killed by firing squads journalists. Aloud fo Coo Sie, the 169 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:31,159 journalist told the documentary he witnessed a man being tied up, hung and beaten 170 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,120 like a punching bag and eventually noticed that the man was dead when he no 171 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,600 longer heard him screaming terrible. Yeah. In nineteen eighty seven, during the 172 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,720 final years of the Pinochet regime, Pope John Paul the Second celebrated mass at 173 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,879 the stadium and, against popular advice, called the stadium a place of pain 174 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,120 and suffering. The Pinochet dictatorship ended in nineteen ninety and since then the stadium 175 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,000 has been restored to an entertainment venue where it's public, where the public can 176 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:03,799 go see soccer match and concerts. But the stadium's dark path still haunts it 177 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Today. It's known as Anestadio de la morte, the stadium of death, 178 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,799 and it's not surprising their ghost stories about it. There's a section of seats 179 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:15,480 in the stadiums that are never filled. They're left empty as a memorial to 180 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:20,519 those who were detained during the Pinochet regime. The words unbl memorial is unueblos 181 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:24,879 in futuro. A people without memory is a people without feature. And that's 182 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:31,399 a sentiment or phrase so common and often said over and over again all over 183 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Latin America because of the you know, horrible dictatorships perpetrated or propped up by 184 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,879 the United States. Yes, yes, yes, one hundred percent and it's 185 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:45,639 the reason that other governments in power right now are trying to forget about the 186 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,559 past, to tell everyone to move on, because if you don't know the 187 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,840 past, and you don't know the atrocities that have occurred in the past, 188 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:56,960 then you're not worried about what's happening now because you don't have anything to compare 189 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:03,039 it to. Right. Yeah, we as we often talk about ober at 190 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,919 about yes, and I don't know if you've been on the if you mentioned 191 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,200 our strong hatred of bule In is booky toes? I don't think so. 192 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,279 So hopefully there's no booklet stands listening. I hope not, because if you 193 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,559 I mean, if you know the passive and if you are, I hope 194 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:24,480 that you see the light. Yeah, no, really, really really go 195 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:30,720 check out our three part series over at Known so that you know what we're 196 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:35,320 talking about. Because this quote in the stadium in Chile, it it resonates 197 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,399 because it's true and it's it can the said kid, oh my god, 198 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,720 sorry, I can't talk. The same can be said here so many s 199 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:46,960 words in one sentence. And there's a reason why people don't want us to 200 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:50,759 learn about the real history of the United States and why they label the real 201 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,200 history of the United States as anti American. Yeah, which is ridiculous, 202 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,679 aunty, But anyway, that's a that's it, that's its a known topic. 203 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,559 We're so full of reds today. I'm so sorry. We're gonna get 204 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,799 a bunch of one star reviews. But I'm okay. Back to the ghost 205 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:11,159 story. Yes, back to the ghost story. But everything is political now, 206 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:17,440 I mean, yeah, even ghost stories. But you've talked about this 207 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,559 plenty of times. But it's true. We have talked about how many, 208 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:25,679 many, many ghost stories, legends, myths we know today stem from atrocities 209 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:30,919 in the past. Colonialism, yes, yeah, yeah, colonialism, Okay, 210 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:36,000 never getting off that horse. No we're not. Some employees who work 211 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:42,360 after hours say they've seen large shadows. Wonder. Sorry, god, cannot 212 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:45,960 read today, Oh my god, No I can read, I just can't 213 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:51,240 talk. You're right, I just kept pronoun brain. It's like your brain 214 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,559 is saying it right, but out of your mouth everything's wrong. So disconnect 215 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,879 between my mouth and my brain. There really is there, always has been, 216 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,599 because we have adhd Okay. Some employees who work after hours say they 217 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:15,359 see large shadows, wonder, wander, wander, wander There you go, 218 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,880 they seen lunch shadows and wander the stadium's quarters. Sorry, I keep laughing 219 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,279 because earlier I couldn't pronounce the word corridors, and I still said it all 220 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:33,200 right down. No, we were practicing the corridors. Good job, Sammy 221 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,559 would say, good job. Or they've seen ghosts appear and disappear from the 222 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,319 stadium's walls. You know, I didn't learn how to pronounce words right in 223 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,880 my master's program. Now. Sorry, school never taught me how to pronounce 224 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,680 anything. They didn't tell me how to say wander. No, But you 225 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,319 know there's some words that sorry in other rants. You know how there's some 226 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,599 words that you read and you've read them for your whole life. Oh yeah, 227 00:17:55,599 --> 00:17:57,759 you never heard anyone say them, and so then when you say it 228 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,680 out loud, someone's like, what the fuck did you just say? Yeah, 229 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:07,200 that happens along anyway, go on. Sorry. Locals passing by the 230 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,880 stadium also claim that they've heard screams coming from inside the stadium long after the 231 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,240 venue has emptied out. Some just get an eerie feeling looking at the preserved 232 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:22,119 wooden seating area behind the north goal that was left there to memorialize the lives 233 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,440 that were lost at the stadium and the pain that many suffered within the stadium's 234 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:30,799 walls. Whilsting, the New York Times reporter said the following about the preserved 235 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,599 wooden area in the stadium, it is really a ghostly place. When there's 236 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,200 a game there and Chili's playing, and it's packed, and everybody's screaming and 237 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,640 yelling, and they're all excited, and the lights are on and all the 238 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,519 focuses, you know, bright lights on the field, and then you look 239 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:48,200 over there behind one of the goals. It's a very small section and it's 240 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,640 lit up in this kind of yellow light, and it's just a very somber, 241 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,759 haunting image. And Christina found this story about the stadium on the Chilasabread 242 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,880 in Spanish. It was posted two years ago by user Yaali Damn. I 243 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,839 don't have any good stories, but here's something. When I was about eleven 244 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,519 years old, I was with my cousin older than me about three or four 245 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:12,400 years at the stadium, and at that time I wasn't clear about everything that 246 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,119 had happened there. I always only saw the empty chairs in the stands, 247 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,720 but we were wandering around the a hall inside the stadium, a place that 248 00:19:21,799 --> 00:19:26,359 was almost always dark, and there was really almost no one at the level 249 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,640 of the court. We entered a narrow hallway with doors on the side and 250 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,279 one at the end. My cousin went to the last door on the side. 251 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,079 I was behind him, I'd remember why. But he grabbed the handle 252 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,720 of that door in an attempt to try to open it without forcing it or 253 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,039 anything, and obviously it didn't open. He left his hand on the handle. 254 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,519 I just watched him, and suddenly this guy started running. He was 255 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,960 terrified. I managed to grab his shirt so I wouldn't be left there alone, 256 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,640 since I didn't run that fast. Smart that was me, not the 257 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,480 sorry. After we after we got quite far away, he told me that 258 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,359 he had felt someone turn the handle from the other side and he got scared. 259 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,160 I don't have a way to check if he was screening me or if 260 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,759 he really felt that, but until today he insisted it was real. Well, 261 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,799 considering his reaction, I'm sure it was real. Yeah, yeah, 262 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,720 And like sure it could have really been someone on the other side, But 263 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,039 just the whole the way everything happened, how it was quiet, they were 264 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,559 like almost no one is here, then yeah, it would have been. 265 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,519 I would have been scared, regardless of it being a ghost or really a 266 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:32,680 person trying to turn the doorknob with a chatitor or something. Yeah. Yeah, 267 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,440 it would have scared either way. Yeah yeah, all right, Carmen, 268 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,240 Well, thanks for your story. We're gonna take a quick ad break 269 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:41,319 and then we'll be back for my other depressing story, also from Chile. 270 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,599 Welcome to our Hunted break. 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On top of that, I found a depressing true crime 289 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,279 story from Chile. Great, yeah, fantastic. So this takes place in 290 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:32,039 Lololo, Chile, and it's not really a town. It's more of a 291 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:36,079 commune. It's like a small pueblo if that. It's a population of less 292 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:41,240 than six thousand people. It is in the gold Chagua Province of Chile, 293 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,599 about two and a half hours south of Santiago, the capital of Chile. 294 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,200 I'm the only town I'm familiar with or the only city I'm familiar with in 295 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,599 Chile. No, I know, like a few more, but if I 296 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,640 looked at a map, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's Santiago. 297 00:22:53,799 --> 00:23:00,599 Yeah. So it was a peaceful area known for its historical sites like the 298 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,640 cathedral in the center of Lolol, and it remained peaceful, at least until 299 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,000 the summer of twenty twelve, when one man brought an unknown terror to the 300 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:17,000 small town, and that man was Oscar Lopez Rodriguez. So. Oscar Lopez 301 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:21,079 Rodriguez was born on the first of November in nineteen seventy two. His parents 302 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:26,799 were Oscar del Garmin Lopez Reya and Oswaldina de las Rosas Rodriguez s pin Nosa. 303 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Oh my god, I love her names. Right. There's not much 304 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,920 about his childhood out there that is known, but as an adult, neighbors 305 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,519 said that he was violent and lonely. At twenty, he married Sandra Andre 306 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,599 Poblet Gaiete. I just love all these long names. Oh so I love 307 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,599 her name. Yes, yeah, I love saying them. They had a 308 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,000 son in nineteen ninety two, and then they divorced in twenty eleven. And 309 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,680 just like some things that people said about him in the news after everything took 310 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:03,319 place. He was he had an unkempt look, a beard, long hair. 311 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,279 He dressed as anime characters. You know how Latinos will love to hate 312 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:15,079 on anime, they do. They anyone who likes anime automatically possessed by the 313 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,759 demon. Yeah, by that demon, I was gonna say devil, and 314 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:22,279 I said demon instead. All I heard some of his neighbors believed he was 315 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:29,319 part of a Satanic sect of course. Yeah, but he also called himself 316 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:33,599 a messenger of God. Well, you know, Lucifer was an angel first 317 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,920 true true. They also called him a hippie. And hippie is how they 318 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,079 referred to him. Okay, probably the long hair, unkempt look. Yeah, 319 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:49,200 because of the long hair, beard and his use of mote. I'm 320 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:55,640 just kidding. Oh yeah, a lot of a lot of marijuana use. 321 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:03,279 Yes. So in nineteen ninety seven, he he left his family and moved 322 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,119 to Los Bordos, which is another small town. It's in the same region 323 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,920 as Lolol, just a few miles away. Then he moved again to Los 324 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,599 Roblez, which is right next to Lolol, like six kilometers away. There 325 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:22,240 he was part of what they called an ecological community with fifteen members. So 326 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,880 cold, Okay, I'll let you go on anyway. It was Christian based, 327 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:33,000 okay, cool, for sure. They made everything there, they carewer, 328 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,799 everything was self sustaining, so yeah, one could label it as a 329 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:42,480 cult. No one knows why. But he was kicked out of his commune 330 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,079 in two thousand and nine, and this is when he moved to Las Palmas, 331 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,880 which is another small town. But it's all these towns have different names, 332 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,920 but they're like they bleed into each other almost. So this one was 333 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,559 like three kilometers from Lolol, from the center of Lolol, so really it 334 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,880 was like he was in Lolol. Yeah, so he moved around a lot 335 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,680 when he was there. Eventually he moved to a house that was in front 336 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,559 of the Loloo Firefighters Bureau. And in this house he opened an antique shop. 337 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:17,920 And really he would go around town on his bike collecting things that he 338 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,559 could restore, and sometimes they were antiques. And he was actually known for 339 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,920 riding around his bike with his dog Valentine standing on the bike. Wow, 340 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,279 there's pictures of this. It's actually quite adorable. If you didn't know he 341 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:37,960 was cute, but who this was yeah, yeah, yeah, and you 342 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,599 know, here people had like a different description of him than the other places. 343 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,960 They found him to be a modest, hardworking man. He rescued repaired 344 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,880 antiques. A lot of rich people on tourists made up a lot of his 345 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,519 customer base, but it was really also like a small scrap yard. There 346 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,400 was some valuable antiques, but also just random things people might need, and 347 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,839 so it was. It was weird because some people said he was like modest, 348 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,680 hardworking, but he was also known to have a bad temper, and 349 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,680 people just they thought he was weird but not dangerous. Yeah, why did 350 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,519 that make sense? Because a lot of times we'd think of like murderers and 351 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:21,839 whatever as solely bad people, but that sound was never really the case, 352 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,680 you know, like there's no true evil people. Everyone exists like in multitudes, 353 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,440 you know what I mean. Yeah, you're so right. He was 354 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:36,759 known to walk around saying things that made no sense, and a lot of 355 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,799 these things sounded violent. He would say, I'm got to cut his head 356 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,839 off and wear it to the cemetery, you know, just okay, these 357 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:52,160 little phrases. He also carried stories around with him, and neighbors would see 358 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,440 him wielding the swords like he was in a fight, like in a sword 359 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,559 fight, but like nobody was in front of him. Well obviously he got 360 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,799 that from anime, but okay not Yeah, he was watching a routou and 361 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,920 no, was he running like that too? Yes? Probably, I don't 362 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,279 know. We all know when I'm talking about, you know, the weird 363 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:18,640 kid from school who put his arms behind him but straight and then ran head 364 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,880 forward. I love that you so to describe it. I mean, we 365 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,839 all know what the room was like. Yes he probably did, I'm not 366 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,799 sure. But he did carry swords with him and would fight invisible enemies and 367 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,319 they were an extension of his arms. Okay, go on, I can't 368 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:45,000 Okay, So he for these things he did and said he became the town's 369 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,440 lokito. They called him a lokito, which yeah, it's offensive. Yeah, 370 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,519 this is what they do in Latin America, like our dad. There 371 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:56,759 was a person they called it lokito too in Santado where he lived. And 372 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:02,519 yeah, everyone has. I think a person who maybe has some mental health 373 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,880 issues, doesn't have anywhere to live, lives on the streets and you know 374 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920 this person and you're like, yeah, they're a little not there, but 375 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,440 they're not violent like everyone knows who they are. Certainly we saw a share 376 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,920 of them, you know, by our dad's shop in Oakland, right, 377 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,960 So that's what people knew him as. Like he was eloquito. But he 378 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,640 wasn't dangerous. He was he was just who he was, harmless but weird, 379 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160 and he had a useful store that people went to. He also said 380 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,799 his dog Valentine was gonna save the world and was chosen by God. I 381 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,279 mean that could be true, that could be true. Yeah, uh yeah. 382 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:37,759 People just you know, they didn't think he was saitrous, like I 383 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:42,319 said. So, even though most of Oscar's clients were tourists or rich people, 384 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,880 Lolo residents still went to his shop for random things because he had a 385 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,960 lot of things in his shop, right, And one of these residents was 386 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:56,559 Juandre Nera. Juan was born in Lolone in nineteen fifty six. He lived 387 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:02,160 there his entire life. He worked as a farmer. Everyone called theo. 388 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,640 He was loved or when he was respected. He was a good, hard 389 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,599 working man. So on July tenth, twenty twelve, Juandrene told his wife 390 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,759 he was going to go over to Oscar's shop. He needed an iron rod 391 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,039 and he also wanted this old table that Oscar had there, so he went, 392 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,799 but he failed to return by dinner time, and so his wife was 393 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,799 super worried. She called and called and he was an answering so she spent 394 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,240 the night looking for him. Still there was no sign of him anywhere. 395 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,519 In the morning, she tried calling him again. This time his phone was 396 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:41,599 silenced after two rings, so someone had his phone. Yeah, So she 397 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,680 went to the Lololo police department. She filed a missus person's report on the 398 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,319 next day, the eleventh of July, and several people had seen him talking 399 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:52,960 to Oscar. They knew that's where he was headed to his shop and that's 400 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,079 where he was last seen. But for some unknown reason, police sat on 401 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:06,400 this information didn't do anything. On the eleventh in the morning when Juanna's wife 402 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,119 reported him missing, they like, didn't go over to his shop. Nothing. 403 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:17,119 So then on the twelve someone else visited Oscott's shop. Her name was 404 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Maria Josere yes more more m O O R E more. Anyway, she 405 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:29,839 was a pe teacher from Vita Kura, a town in the Santiago Metropoli. 406 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,599 I can never say this word. Metropolitan, metropolitan, thank you, yes, 407 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,359 yeah, you're right, Metropolitan region. I just needed to hear it 408 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,680 once. Her friends and family called her as a nickname, and she was 409 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,720 loved by everyone too. Her students says she was a special teacher. She 410 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,519 like really cared about them. She did everything she could for her students. 411 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,200 She did leave teaching in two thousand and seven to be with her kids more. 412 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:05,240 But then she started part time for Colegio El Golf in her hometown and 413 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:09,200 she started a program called La Academia and this program was dedicated to help high 414 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:15,240 school students with special educational needs join the workforce, so really wholesome work. 415 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,759 Clearly, she was an amazing person. Yeah. On July twelve, twenty 416 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:25,359 twelve, she was traveling with her fifteen year old daughter and nineteen year old 417 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,880 son. They were headed to Fundo Grelena, which is another small Puelo pass 418 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,519 lo lol. They were heading that way for the summer break. They had 419 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,519 family there and the rest of her family, so her husband and her other 420 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:44,559 children were behind them in another car. They were also doing remodeling in their 421 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:49,119 home and they decided to stop at Oscar's shop just to look at what he 422 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,279 had. Maybe he had something they needed for the remodeling, right, so 423 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,880 her son stayed in the van. He was like parking while they pulled into 424 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,319 one four five los Letkes Street. This is where Oscart's shop was. He 425 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,359 stayed behind the van parking. Maria and her daughter headed inside. Less than 426 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:13,000 five minutes later, for no reason at all, without any provocation at all, 427 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:20,160 Oscard pulled Maria Josa's hair and stabbed her. Maria's daughter ran outside of 428 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,720 the shop to her brother, screaming for him to help. He ran to 429 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:29,079 the shop and they both saw us Oscot continued to stab their mother. Oh 430 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:35,559 my god. They ran out of the shop yelling, oh, they're killing 431 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,160 her mom. And then it was the streets were crowded because it was the 432 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,599 summertime, so there was a policeman walking nearby, and they found him right 433 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,359 away. He ran back with them. He was Sergeant Felippe Gonzalez. He 434 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,960 followed them to the shop and when they got there they were met with a 435 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,759 horrifying, horrifying scene. It was Oscard. He was holding Mariajosa's head like 436 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:04,279 a trophy. Oh my god, oh god, horrific. Turns out, 437 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:09,320 while they ran for help, Oscar had dragged Madiat to a She was already 438 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,360 extremely injured she was weak from multiple stab wounds, so he dragged her, 439 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,800 sat her against the tree trunk and cut her head off with the nax, 440 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:25,760 all this while they were looking for help. So Sergeant Philippe ordered Oscott to 441 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,679 like stop. He fired twice into the air as a warning, but Oscard 442 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,719 grabbed the axe and he charged at the sergeant, and so the sergeant felt 443 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,440 like he had no choice but to fire at Oscard, killing him. Wow. 444 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,039 And when Juandrey and his wife saw this all over the news, because 445 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,559 it like it stopped the whole country. This was like a big deal, 446 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,440 I'm sure, so it was being reported everywhere. She called the police again 447 00:34:54,599 --> 00:35:00,159 to remind them that her missing husband was last seen at Oscot's shop. So 448 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:09,559 then finally the Laboratorio Crimini criminalistica caros A mouthful, Yeah, the Cariveneros is 449 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,679 what police are called over there, I guess. Interesting. So carivin Nero's 450 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:22,480 laboratory of Criminology inspected the crime scene and they found Juan Wow at Oscar's shop. 451 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,360 There was also a suspicion that he Oscar had been kicked out of his 452 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,519 commune because he had killed a man named Manuel Fuen Salida Pina, who had 453 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:36,880 disappeared and was last seen talking with Oscar. Also, I didn't write this 454 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:43,480 down for some reason. But on Juan d there was no They never found 455 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,000 out why he was killed. There was no reason. But they suspect that 456 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:54,880 maybe when Maria had gotten there, maybe she saw Juan or something, because 457 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,960 he was shallowly buried when they found him, so they suspect that maybe she 458 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:06,239 saw him said something and that's what provoked her attack. But still it's not 459 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,360 They have no idea why Kuan was killed. That he was just found there 460 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,599 as well. After the investigation, psychologists deemed Oscar as having had a psychotic 461 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,440 break and that he could possibly have been schizophrenic, but there was no way 462 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880 to be sure. There was also rumors that the killings were part of some 463 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,719 black magic ritual, or that Oscar had performed the murders as sacrifice for his 464 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,440 former commune, which doesn't make sense. No, those two don't make sense. 465 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:40,400 Honestly. The psychotic break makes sense, yeah, especially having known his 466 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,239 history and his violent past, his lonely past. Yeah. And yeah, 467 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,119 if he was in the middle of a psychotic break, he truly didn't know 468 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,280 what he was doing. But especially because like people saw him fighting invisible forces 469 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,599 in front of him with his swords, you know. Yeah, so it 470 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,119 just I think to me it was like obviouslybviously super tragic, but also kind 471 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:07,000 of like begs the question if he maybe had they knew that he needed like 472 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:13,000 help and medication, Yeah, this might have not happened. But because people 473 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:17,039 don't know what these things look like, and they're just called people exhibiting these 474 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:21,199 type of symptoms are just yeah, they're just called oh, he's just like 475 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,599 that, or yeah, you know, oh that's just how he is. 476 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,159 And I mean we see it so often and even our own families. Yeah, 477 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:37,039 and then once something horrific happens people with these diagnoses, they guest stigmatized 478 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:42,039 even more. Like the unfortunate thing is that like some things like this happen 479 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:47,280 sometimes, and the murderers happened to have possibly happened to have like mental health 480 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,920 untreated mental health illnesses, and then yeah, they are stigmatized. And then 481 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,599 there's an image out there of people with mental illnesses that they're violent and unpredictable. 482 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:04,239 But the reality is that people with severe mental illnesses are more likely to 483 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,039 be victims of violent crime than they are to be violent, true, but 484 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,760 no one knows that or that's not the popular belief, because stories like this 485 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:21,679 do happen, and you know, it's often sensationalized, yes, because it 486 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,400 is horrific and it's you know, sad obviously for the victims and their families, 487 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,920 but it creates a stigma for people with severe mental illnesses. You know 488 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:37,639 that this image that they're violent, and you know that's not really real true. 489 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:43,599 I'm glad you brought that up. And then after the investigation and all 490 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:51,280 that, there was funerals for both Maria jo and Maria Joserees's funeral was held 491 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,440 in her hometown of Ittakura, and there was a thousand people there. Just 492 00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:00,840 goes to show how many people loved her. Juan there was hundreds and hundreds 493 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,559 of Lolol residents who also attended his funeral. Yeah, both victims were loved, 494 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,559 and these murders, they shook the small town of Lolo forever. And 495 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:15,719 there was the reports of Oscar's dog Valentine, crying and howling for many nights. 496 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,760 Oh, oh, that's so sad at the house, probably waiting for 497 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,079 him. Yeah, yeah, that did make me very sad. And yeah, 498 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:36,719 that was the tragic, tragic, murders of Maria Creez and Juan But 499 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:44,480 yeah, wow, just that Now that was a ride for sure. It 500 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:49,360 was. It was, it really was. And just the details that were 501 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,079 like reported on the news you can still find in the articles on when this 502 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:58,559 happened, and just like they were like so focused on the anime, how 503 00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,679 he dressed as anime care and yeah, just I found that I found that 504 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,920 interesting. Mm hmmm. So anyway, this brings us to the end of 505 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,519 the episode. Do you have anything to plug before we go? Carmen, 506 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,840 Sure, sure, sure, We already mentioned the studias unknown. If you're 507 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:20,039 into Latin American history, then check out that podcast. And then we also 508 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,280 have Novelo, a podcast where we rewatched our childhood we recap the episodes and 509 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,920 talk shit about them. And we also have a new segment on that podcast 510 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:37,360 that will eventually become its own podcast currently online, Concavesito, where we talk 511 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,800 about I don't know, funny internet things, viral TikTok videos and I don't 512 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,159 have TikTok. See it tells me all about them and that leads themselves to 513 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,159 like other topics. Yeah, it's a lot of fun, just talking shit, 514 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,360 you know, fun. I enjoy it. Yeah, so if you 515 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,880 if you like Internet chease me and the two of us, you should check 516 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,559 that out. Yeah, And we will be sending out our book club discussion 517 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:07,559 questions for silver Nitrates tomorrow. I'll send them out. And so we send 518 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,239 them out, we give it a week for people to like answer so we 519 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,360 can include your book your discussions in the episode. So we'll be recording that 520 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,920 after I send those out, so that you have time listeners that did read 521 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,360 the book with us to yeah, to answer the questions if you remember anything 522 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,480 about it, yeah, because we really took a long long time with this. 523 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:36,639 Yeah. So yeah, and do you have any spooky recommendations? And 524 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,679 no, I've been watching Married at First Sight. They have season fourteen now 525 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,920 on Netflix, so I was watching that and I haven't watched anything spooky. 526 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,079 Yeah. Me, I haven't done anything spooky either, watch seeing, listen 527 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:53,880 to nothing. I've been rewatching Bones. I don't know what my problem is. 528 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,639 I'm like, this is like all I want to do. You've been 529 00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:01,960 rewatching what I've been rewatching Bones Story watching Bones. Yeah. Yeah, ever 530 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,920 since I saw it, I haven't even been listening to any podcasts. Well, 531 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,920 you know, I obviously have been listening to the usuals spooky to thank 532 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,199 you, and then the guests are what do you call them feature episodes? 533 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,800 I don't know, hunted what now susto? Yeah, and I also have 534 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,000 been listening to Moras Mantita's and I really liked the episode where they had Edwin 535 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,679 on there. Oh yeah, shout out. That was a good episode. 536 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was really good. So I guess that 537 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,880 will be my spooky spooky recommendation. Yeah. I have been listening to them 538 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,039 too, so yeah, I guess yeah, you're right. But no, 539 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:43,400 I've been effessively watching Bones. Just nothing like new that you haven't like, 540 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,440 never mentioned, Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I just got to 541 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,880 like the season where Polant comes in, and I have to say that that 542 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,360 that story I dragged. I don't even remember that. So you remember Polant? 543 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,360 Wow? Was he one of the serial killers? Yeah? But he 544 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:04,559 was like, well like super suit, way too smart and powerful. Onto 545 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:08,159 Bones, Oh my god. And TV shows serieshals are always depict their lucky 546 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,960 superhuman geniuses and the reality is that they're not. They're just lucky. They're 547 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,400 just white and lucky. Yeah yeah, oh man, but yeah, that's 548 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,119 what I've been that's what I'm or I'm at on Bones right now in case 549 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,239 anyone was wondering, because last time I had just passed the Gorma Goon episode. 550 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,159 So uh yeah, I hope. I think this is like a hyperfixation, 551 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,559 and that's why I like, I haven't been doing like literally anything but 552 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,480 watching Bones on my free time. That was me with Supernatural a little while 553 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,559 ago, but then I started watching Married at First Sight. Okay, but 554 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,719 that's done now, so I'll probably go back to Supernatural. Yeah, I 555 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,840 am like, I need to stop, but I need to, like, 556 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,079 I want to listen and watch the other things, but I find myself just 557 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,400 putting Bones on again. I've been reading Gone Girl. I know I'm like 558 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:04,079 years behind. Oh yeah, you mentioned that last episode, but I oh 559 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,480 I did, Okay, I don't remember. And I also haven't seen the 560 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,239 movie. So after I'm done with the book, I'm looking forward to watching 561 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,639 the movie and seeing exactly who played who. I only know Ben Affleck and 562 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,920 uh oh what's her name? Rosamund Pike are the main Oh okay, yeah 563 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,800 yeah, But apart from that, I have Wilson's in it or heard the 564 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,400 book. Yeah, I just know of it. I just got my my 565 00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:31,320 borrow from Libby from the library became available. It's Freedom is a Constant Struggle 566 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:37,639 by Angela Ye Davis. Oh yeah yeah. And then also another one they 567 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,559 called me a Liones. It's the story of Oh I've heard of that book. 568 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,360 Yeah, I forgot her name, had head to me me. Yeah. 569 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,039 They were on hold for like two months because I'm sure many people were 570 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,320 trying to borrow them, which is actually fantastic to see so many people trying 571 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,559 to read about Palestine. So yeah, I'm almost done with Freedom is the 572 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,559 Constant. It's a fast it's a fast listen six hours. The other one's 573 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:06,280 eight hours. So yeah, I'm looking forward to reading those. But yeah, 574 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,920 nothing spooky still yeah yeah, yeah, uh huh so yeah, I 575 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,960 guess now this is the official end of the episode, and I have nothing 576 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,360 whitty to say at the end of this episode. Just it was too depressing. 577 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,519 Yeah, stay spooky, I don't know, Yeah, stay a spooky 578 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:29,239 and go have some ice cream or something. I don't know. We'll catch 579 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:38,360 everyone next time. Bye. Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, 580 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:45,599 produced and edited by Christina. Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and 581 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,519 with the help of Don shout out Don. 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