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The weird things happened in the Weird, Weird Weird. Welcome to Special Episode

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one. Once again, Nick could
not be here with us today, He's

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here with us in spirit. This
was kind of a last second thing that

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we threw together here. My sister's
in town and we wanted to capitalize on

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that. Today we are joined by
my wonderful sister and her baby, the

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angel honey Yay yay. Can you
see honey she in the camera? She

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has angel wings. This is my
daughter, my angel honey botso holloway heck.

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Yeah, what's new with you?
Well, I'm here for a few

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weeks. I'm music directing a production
of Assassins, which is a Sondheim musical.

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But I'm in Florida now. I
think the last time I was on

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here, I was trying to move
to Florida. But I'm living in Florida

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and working online teaching, and I
started a online program, so I've just

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been grinding of that. Let's go
into that for a second, Like,

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talk about your program. Yeah,
it's super exciting. It's called your Holistic

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Voice and the do you want the
spiel or do you want like the overlay

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or all of it? Okay,
so basically, like, I have all

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of this training and voice, you
know, my whole life, and I

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taught professionally at NYU and through community
colleges and so like, I branched out

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into my own private studio, and
I have been thinking for a long time

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I wanted to do an online program
where people could join. And really,

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the issue I was seeing with all
of my singers typically what you would be

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taught is something to do with technique, right, So typically it's like,

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oh, a lot of my students
have breathing issues or issues with their tongue

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or whatever. But like, genuinely, I was seeing most of the issues

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with my students were holistic. They
were with the mind and their mental approach

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or their spirituality or past trauma or
things that were like prohibiting them from singing

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to their fullest, to feeling confident, to feeling like they had a voice,

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so to say, literally and physically
so like, and I've talked about

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it on here before, but my
experiences in the past had led to like

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physical injuries like manifestations, traumas and
things like that created real injuries and made

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it hard for me to sing.
And so I did all of these trainings

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for you know, voice, and
realize, like, you know what,

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I'm not the only one who's having
these issues that's causing singing to be really

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really hard, to the point where
like my favorite thing is almost impossible these

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days. So after taking some extra
courses like vocology and like neurocentric training for

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voice, and then like trauma movement
and a lot of nervous system based approaches

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for different things, and a lot
of studies, I came up with this

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method that's very holistic. It's based
on the nervous system. So anyway,

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the whole spiel is that this course
is holistic. It's not about technique.

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It's for singers to heal as people
so that they can improve as singers.

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And I'm really proud of it.
I feel like it's really really coming along.

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It's it's helping people, and I'm
just so honored to be a part

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of that. Is it live yet? It is live? Okay, what's

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it called. It's called your Holistic
Voice. And so if anyone wants to,

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you know, look me up.
My My Instagram is bless you,

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honey. It's at Emily Holloway Voice. That's what it at, Emily Holloway

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Voice. And so I post about
your holistic voice on there. But the

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whole the whole thing is like it's
a combination of singing, explorations, meditations,

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educational lectures. It's pre recorded,
and there's group sessions each week where

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we meet live once a week.
There's journaling, there's movement. The movement's

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a very big part of it.
Yeah, so there, there's a little

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bit for everybody. And the whole
point is to regulate the nervous system and

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learn how to harness that and educate
ourselves on the spiritual implications of what the

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voice is and how that should be
focused on, rather than fitting a mold

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for society as a singer, because
singers are taught to be really tough,

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really savvy with the industry, but
at the same time they're expected to stand

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on a stage and pour their heart
out in front of however many people,

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but they're treated like dirt and not
cared for mentally or spiritually. So this

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is so people can be grounded in
their own like spirituality and feel very very

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strong mentally and like as people and
have confidence and no care and regulate and

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yeah, that's awesome. It is
Emily Holloway voice. By the way,

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Look it up to make sure check
her out. And if you're interested in

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singing, I have to say,
Emily has been singing and doing piano as

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well since you were I mean officially
you had started training when you were what

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like seven. Yeah, I started
singing and church performing before that. But

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I started piano lessons in the second
grade and then started voice lessons in like

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sixth grade. So she's she's been
doing it her whole life. And then

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if that wasn't enough for you,
she went to New York University, prestigious

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art grad school, got her double
masters in I did voice performance for concentration

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in musical theater and then but anyway, and vocal pedagogy, which is teaching.

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So my point is, if you
want to sing, she's your girl.

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Yeah, look her up, show
her some support. She's amazingly talented.

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But she's kind of like me in
the way that I like to sort

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of like spill this specific esoteric and
you know, spiritual knowledge in a conversational

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sense. Emily's like a surgeon with
with helping diagnose, like from a clinical

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perspective, you know, the throat
and the voice and how to guide you

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to sing better. It's yeah,
really and I'll tell you. The thing

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about this program is because like in
my lessons, I teach very it's a

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mixture of technical stuff, but then
like what I see if you think,

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like as a surgeon, I don't
technically diagnose, but anyway we're using the

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term diagnose. I you know,
see all of these students come in and

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what I'm noticing the root of their
issue has to do not with technique,

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but the root of it is holistic. And that's why this program is so

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important because people don't realize, oh, I'm having issues with this, but

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it's like, really, the underlying
issue is much much deeper. It has

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to do with like wounds you never
healed, or your disconnect with your own

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sense of self. Right, So
it's really cool, Yeah, proud of

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you forgetting that out there. And
it's funny because it was very synchronistic how

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and we don't have to talk about
this more, but it's very synchronistic because

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I had all of these students that
I was helping and like our sessions kind

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of turned into like spiritual coaching,
and they were like having experience speriences and

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like things were popping off and they're
like, you should do something with this.

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You should do something, and everyone
at one time, all within the

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same week, told me I should
do this, and I had for a

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year and not told anyone I wanted
to, and I was like, Okay,

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you know what, I'm going to
do it, and I did and

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it's happening. Awesome. Yeah,
that's amazing. Thank So I wanted to

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I'm going to ask you some of
the same questions that I asked Jeremy.

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Go. So, it's been next
month will be a year since Dad's book

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is released, and I wanted to
know, like, how your life has

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been since? You know, how's
it changed your life? How's it impacted

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you mentally, you know, spiritually? Just just like, how's it changed

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your life? Basically the book?
Yeah, just not even just the book,

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but just you know, how's life
been since? Like, well,

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the book what did it bring to
you? Started a series of crazy events?

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Like the book itself published, it
feels like it led to a series

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of just like craziness. It's been
really it's been up and down. If

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I'm honest, it's been a lot
of ups and downs, but mostly ups,

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and it seems like the ups are
climbing much more up in the it's

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been very positive overall, but there
has been some disconnect because it's like,

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you know, as this stuff gets
more validated and more public and people are

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more on board, there's still that
sense of like, I'm still that ten

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year old girl in my head.
I'm still that thirteen year old girl in

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my head that was going through all
of the stuff and reading the book,

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and like, you know, everyone's
reading it. Oh, it's an amazing

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book. I love this and it's
like, that's actually what happened to me,

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that's actually our life. And so
sometimes it can feel very cathartic.

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It's like a release of a lot
of hardship, and sometimes it's just like

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remembering that and honoring that. But
it's overall been very, very very up.

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I don't know if that was a
good explanation. How did it feel

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seeing yourself for trading the book?
It was It's good. It honestly feels

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like it's been years since it came
out. This past year has felt like

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years. It was good. It's
it's it's really cool, really cool,

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and I don't want to sound like
anything that's been negative, but it's been

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really cool for people to connect with
that and read that and be like,

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Wow, your story has touched me, and you being brave enough to be

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public about this has meant something to
me, Like even in the smallest way,

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that is so touching to me.
And because the book came out,

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it made me feel a little bolder. And I started my TikTok which has

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been really great, and that's called
Blood so Baby on TikTok. And I

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just feel like I've been more and
more comfortable in public in the last year,

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and the book has been so healing, and it's like such a testament

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to our story, to dad,
to all of it. And it's like,

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I don't know, it's a powerful
connector I don't know, it feels

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like it's And I have people messaging
me all the time, and I just

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don't. I don't have the time
or capacity to message everyone back like I

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wish I could, but I see
the messages and it just I just cry,

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like I cannot believe that ten year
old self in me is like she

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can't believe that there's support, is
what I'm trying to say. It's still

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hard to talk about this stuff because
it's like it's still unfolding right now,

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you know what I'm saying. It's
hard to wrap my mind, all of

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it, and it's amazing. And
what I will say, this past year

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especially, I feel like my my
faith has been so sharpened, Like I

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just have this complete peace and unswerving
faith that everything is happening for a purpose,

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no matter what, and that has
been something I've prayed for for a

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many years. So I'm just very
thankful. Yeah, Okay, well then

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the same goes for So the book
came out in February. Yeah, the

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month before that, As you know, we recorded with the History Channel,

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and I'm not have you been on
since that came out. I don't think

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you have. I don't know.
So let's let's tale one. Yeah,

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but that was you know that does
it's not the same, you know it

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wasn't you know you But let's talk
about that a little bit. So we

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recorded the History Channel in January of
last year. Obviously, the book came

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out the following month. And then
that was a big deal for me because

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I was recorded for the History Channel
and did not end up getting put on

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it. But the the guts it
took to sign up to go on for

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the History Channel, it was over
six months, was a major deal for

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me, and I'm almost glad I
wasn't put in it because of different reasons,

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but I yeah, like it was
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that. It was over six months
of me trying to hyper up and all

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of us really, but I just
you know, I know from my perspective,

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you're coming to me having crying fits. I don't know if I'm ready

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to do this. Should I do
it? Should I do it? I'm

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like, yes, do it,
Yes, do it. Then you finally

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agreed to do it. Well,
I did it because the phenomenon told me

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I had to right precisely. Yeah, yeah, Cantoniance. And it was

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just it was it was kind of
comical really because you finally had this My

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mind broke, your mind broke.
You had this Catharsis of there's no going

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back, I'm going to do it, and you recorded and it was this

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It was well, I mean I
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I was watching and it was it
was amazing and she did an outstanding job.

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And then you know, because they
had over one hundred hours of footage

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and then I literally told the producer, I was like, I just disassociated.

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I don't know what I just said. I do that a lot on

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here. Yeah, I just totally
blocked out and she finally had this catharsist

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and agreed to do it and did
it. And then you know, because

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I had over one hundred hours of
footage and six or seven days of filming,

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they have a forty two minute episode. Emily's segment did make the cut,

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and the director was very oh no, it didn't need to be in

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there. The episode was perfect.
But just to say like it wasn't for

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anything nefarious. I mean David Carr, the director, very wonderful man.

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He executive producer. He messaged just
the night before it came out, yeah,

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and was like, I just want
to say this was made with love.

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We are so sorry that Emily's segment
didn't get in the cut, and

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then better it didn't. Yeah,
And I filmed with him a little bit

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too, and I was like,
even Jack me, cut me. I

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don't care. We were all out
there. Did you notice there's a line

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of my audio from when we were
filming in the middle of it. Somewhere

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My voice is in it. Remember, definitely my voices in it. Alex

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was there. I was like,
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But anyway, so we did the
filming thing. It was an amazing Catharsis

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for our family. We ended up
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you said, I do think it
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it was just meant for me to gear

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up to do it. You know, like the whole point was for me

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to just like put that foot forward. You passed the test, you were

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brave enough to do it. And
what broke my mind was the thought just

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came to me and it's like this
stuff, you know, the conversation is

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so much bigger than it was when
it was happening at the beginning, you

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know, when we were kids.
And I think the perspective for me has

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shift. Like I've always known this
with spiritual it's God related all of this

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stuff, but something like finally clicked. I was like, if I deny

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this, I'm denying God. And
I can't deny God. Yeah, when

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it's showing up like this, like
when when you were praying to God,

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when you're praying and these things appear
and you tell it, no, I'm

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not going to talk about you.
You're you're just like you're putting people before

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God. And I was like,
that's a great point, Okay, I

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got to do it. I got
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so that's what broke me and I'm
glad I did. And then the book,

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the book came out and it was
it was really like an energy shift

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for our family. I'm sure you
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once that book came out, the
first week or so, it was like

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everything just rested, you know what
I'm saying, Like everything rested, There

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was peace. And then the History
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it was life before and after the
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kind of like when you psychedelics and
people are like, oh, dude,

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aside, life before and after it. That's how the book. It's a

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huge shift. It was a massive
shift. Yeah, the energy that I

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felt inside was different, Yes,
and then that really carried heavy into eight

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months later when the documentary came out. You know, so let's talk about

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that. How did you feel watching
that? And then same question as the

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book, like how how has your
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it brought to you? When the
when the documentary came out, that it

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was beyond Skinwalker Ranch is what we're
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I was in Florida when it came
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live and I just sobbed the whole
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It was it was so special and
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to explain it other than another shift, you know. It was like it

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it's just an intense wave of peace
and faith and comfort and just feeling like

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so cared for. Yeah, it
felt to me like I felt so cared

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for And it was so healing for
all of us, but for Chris and

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Dad specifically, because the first documentary
with the Discovery Channel was just them,

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and it was not good for any
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were on the video like they were
the ones in it, right, and

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so this being just them felt like
a beautiful closing of that that energetic.

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It came full circh chapter, you
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things are different now. Yeah,
it was very beautiful. It came full

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circle. I felt that way too. Yeah, That's why I was glad

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we were both cut out of it. Not obviously for any bad reason,

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but it was like no. In
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with Dad and Junior. It was
terrible and then it was like, yeah,

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like karmically, it came full circle
and it was like they were shone

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in a positive light, and like
you said, it felt like peace and

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comfort and strength. To me,
it felt like the heavy lifting is done.

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We have the book, we have
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Now there might be a major motion
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that's kind of been announced, And
it just feels like the heavy lifting is

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done. And I keep telling Dad
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Dad's right hand man with this probably
like he you know, he tells me

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his anxieties, he tells me what
he's nervous about. And I'm like,

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Dad, we're just having fun now, Yeah, we're just having fun.

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The proof is done. We're just
having fun. We're out there telling our

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story. Works so hard to be
believed anymore, we don't have to work

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so hard because it's like at this
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He's texting me, so, you
know, pray for me. I'm meeting

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you know, I'm doing the history
channel that. I'm like, Dad,

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just have fun, Yeah, just
show up. No, It's funny because

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I wake up some days and just
laugh my head off. I'm like all

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these years of me trying to be
you know, make something of myself doing

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this or that, or like trying
to fit this pressure, fit this mold,

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and you know, appear this way
or be on stage, you know,

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and then like this stuff is really
just flourishing in such a positive way.

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I never never, like I knew
it would be okay one day.

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I had that deep feeling that things
would get better, but I never saw

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it happening this beautifully, you know
what I mean. Yeah, it's different,

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much better than I expected. Yeah. Yeah, it just feels like

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back in the day before the book, before it's like it's unfolding. I

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always felt like it would be work, work, work, work, work,

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work, and it has been in
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way I thought it would be.
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Absolutely, it feels like before the
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to like, at least in my
experience, you know, I was,

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I was always into this stuff.
I always talked about it openly to whoever

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would listen, and I always was
trying to carry the torch, even at

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thirteen, you know. Yeah,
and I just remember it felt like having

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to pay which no, no,
no, you gotta believe me. It's

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like every time you explain it,
it's like you're defending your Yes, you're

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trying to prove, trying to luck
it's real, Like, look, who

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studies us. Look at this,
here's videos, here's pictures showing people or

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pictures before they can even like ask
a question, because I'm trying to establish

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upfront, like no, no,
no, this is credible. Like are

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crying before they even express if they
think it's weird or not. They might

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even think it's cool, and you're
like already freaking out, Like yeah,

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freaking out, like spiraling, Like
I'm telling you it's real. Now with

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all this stuff that we have going
on, it just feels like, oh,

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you know you're into the stuff.
Read the book, Yeah, go

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watch the documentary. We also have
one hundred and thirty five episodes of the

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podcast. Check that out. I'm
just having fun. Yeah, no,

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it's so fun. It's fun to
make my little TikTok videos and like connect

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with people on there and see the
discord community through this has been so healing

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for me. Like just everyone in
the discord, like the BSS Discord.

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Yeah yeah, everyone in there is
so open minded and they're all healing and

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communicating and that really inspired my voice
program because that community aspect is so so

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important and if you're not in it, I'll pitch it for you, not

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to push any one, but if
no one's in there and you are seeking

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a community, this is a good, good community. It's a wonderful way

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to support the show. It's Patreon
dot com slash s Bledso said so,

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and we do have a five dollars
tier that includes a solo show hosted by

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me Full Disclosure with Ryan Bledsoe.
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the BSS. We call it the
Mothership because it's like a UFO, you

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know. We have the Mothership Discord
and it's it's a banging community. It's

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it's close to four hundred people now, which is insane. It's a wild

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ride we have. We had an
event the other night. It was a

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blast. Yeah, I'm in there
playing video games with them now, like

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it's it's a black I'm living my
best life up in there. It's it's

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healing for me. But enough of
that. Yeah, it just it just

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feels like we don't have anything to
prove anymore. It feels truly like we're

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just we're just doing it and we're
having fun and we're just on our journey

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now. Yeah, I guess I
never realized it would be so easy one

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day. I guess that's what it
comes down to. Yeah, And it's

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funny because, like you started asking
me these questions at the beginning, and

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I still have that slight amount of
guard freeze that happens, and I started

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rambling and couldn't explain, and throughout
this conversation, I've had to like sort

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of allow myself to chill, Like
this conversation is, you know safe,

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It's just it's so deep rooted that
like that your body remembers everything and you

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still have these reactions. But I
want to say that, and I just

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blacked out. What was I gonna
say? I don't know. I think,

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yeah, I think you you.
I was gonna say, it's I

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didn't expect it to be this easy, Like I never would have expected people

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to be so receipt I always kind
of felt like I would be fighting forever

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for people believe but that it would
get better. But I would be fighting,

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And now people are open arms.
I love this. I support this.

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I see things too, and it's
I want to see or I want

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to or I don't think you know
you're crazy or whatever, and that is

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still mind bending to me for sure. Emily's Emily's had You have to understand

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when this stuff started happening, Emily
was the youngest child. She was ten

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years old. And not to mention, you know, Emily was the only

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girl out of four kids, three
rough and tough older brothers. Although I'm

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not that rough and tough, but
to you, we were your rough and

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tough older brothers. And Emily had
my pinky on this. I did break

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her pinky one time we were we
were we were playing kung fu when we

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were little kids, and I fell
on her something on the trampoline. Yeah,

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I'm sorry, I broke your pinky. But Emily was always a fighter.

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She was always wanting to play fight
and all that. Yeah she was

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tough. But yeah, you had
a different treatment than us from the from

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the extended family. You know,
you were the girl. You were expected

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to be perfect, you were expected
to not be involved with this crazy stuff,

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right, And like the thing about
Emily, this pressure that she's hinting

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at that that I you know,
I want the listener to understand because I

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think it's it's meaningful it's that Emily
never really let's just paint a picture.

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We'd be in a family function,
Christmas or something, some some arbitrary reason

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we're all getting together that has nothing
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Could be a birthday, doesn't matter, and an aunt or an uncle would

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just casually make some comment about,
you know, don't bring that stuff up

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around me. I don't believe in
UFOs me. I'd be like, you're

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wrong, and I would argue,
and I would you know, I always

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would stand up for it and be
verbal and vocal and try to like fight

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that battle for my for my family. And Emily, on the other hand,

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was expected to be silent, was
expected to be not by my mom

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and dad, but just you know, by the family dynamic to just oh,

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Emily would never be associated with that
the mindset, Emily's not involved with

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this stuff. And now it's kind
of you know, breaking next. People

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are like, huh, because Emily's
coming out, She's going on the podcast.

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Yeah, she's going on the history
chest. She's got a TikTok.

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I didn't really say a lot of
I didn't the ups and I was talking

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about ups and downs. Some of
the downs have been some of that kind

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of thing last year. It's tough. I don't want to go too much

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into that because it's okay, but
yeah, there's there's been some some kinds

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of there's been some shock in the
family that Emily association with this stuff.

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Emily has boldly and the thing that
broke the camel's back, I'm not even

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gonna say it was coming on the
podcast. I'm going to say it was

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agreeing to do the History Channel because
for half a year, Yeah, you

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came to me, I'm too scared. I don't know what to do.

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I don't know what to do it, and I'm like, do it,

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do it? Do it? What
are you waiting for? Do it?

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Nothing can go wrong. Do it? And you finally did it, and

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I think it like unleashed you.
And next thing you know, you have

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your TikTok, you're doing your spiritual
voice program. You started to unfold and

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what I think, you know you
were supposed to be. Yeah, I

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think the the impostor syndrome is so
so real. And then one day I

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just took that that you know,
faith connection, that the Holy Spirit,

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you know, the God that these
beings give me, and I just applied

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that to myself and was like,
you know what, imposter syndrome. Who

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cares. I'm just going to do
what feels right. I'm going to start

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my program. I'm going to do
my TikTok, And if someone hates on

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me, it's really a reflection of
them, right. And I could tell

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that to anybody for years in the
past, But like when it comes to

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yourself, it's so hard to find
that confidence for yourself. But I'm proud.

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I'm very proud of myself. Yeah
for sure. Yeah. Am I

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allowed to ask if there are any
future plans to be involved with any sort

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of history channel. I'm not sure. Well, then we will just change

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the subject. Do you want to
talk about the Monroe a little bit?

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Yeah, so I'll just say that
and I can go into as much detail

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as you want. I had another
well let's go into as much detail as

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you want. Yeah, I had
a pretty profound astral projection experience. It

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really really changed me. I would
love to talk about it. You mean

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the first one? No, recent
another one? Yeah? Oh heck,

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yeah, this is the first t
I'm hearing of this. Yeah, So,

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let do you want the whole thing
or the relevant parts? Just give

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me what you want to give me. Okay, Okay, let me think

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so first, Okay, we gotta
get my mind. We're got to get

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my mind into yeah. Oh and
I before we move on, the Danny

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Jones going on. That was such
a big deal for me because that was

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my first time going on any appearance
that wasn't this podcast, you know,

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So that was special. Shout out
Danny. He's a great guy. I

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totally forgot about it. Happens to
be my neighbor, basically, so funny

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anyway, Okay, So astral projection
experience. Okay, so, just like

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the first one that I explained on
here, I started out in water.

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No no, no, no,
no no no. I started falling.

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Okay, So I start these tapes, the Minroe tapes, right, and

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I literally felt like I was falling
out of my body, to the point

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where I had to like make sure
I wasn't actually following falling and had to

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move my arm just a little bit
to make sure that I physically was safe

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because it felt literally like I was
bending backward and falling in space and it

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was really really trippy. And so
I'm like falling, falling, falling,

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and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna ride this wave because

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it's real, like I'm I'm safe, you know whatever. And I'm in

408
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:19.720
water and I'm swimming around and I'm
like it's dark, but I didn't want

409
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.200
to get out of the water.
I wanted to go deeper. And there

410
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.119
were these whales. I was like, you know, I have a thing

411
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.480
for whales. I love whale.
I had a dream about a whale that

412
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.640
was significant. I've had a lot
of dreams about whales. If there's spirit

413
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.880
animals, they're one of my spirit
animals. Definitely love that. I had

414
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:40.319
a lot of lots of significant whale
dreams. Anyway, So there's these whales

415
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.599
and I'm swimming with them and it
kind of like an avatar the way of

416
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.480
water. They're connected to you and
they speak to you, and yes,

417
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.720
yeah, I had that. And
one had her baby and I had my

418
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.799
whale and her baby and we were
swimming together and I was riding on her

419
00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.720
fin and she like took me to
this at the edge of like what's it

420
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.599
called underwater, like a big cliff. I don't know, A big trench,

421
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.400
yes, a big underwater trench.
And she's like, I can't go

422
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.920
any farther. I'm gonna leave you
here. So I like kissed her on

423
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:18.000
the cheek and she swam away.
And this, I'm gonna say, felt

424
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.799
extremely real. This was real,
you know, it felt very real.

425
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.640
And so I was like, it's
dark down here, and so I was

426
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.400
like, I can't see anything,
and I like started glowing so I could

427
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.680
see underwater. So I was like, Okay, turn on that glow.

428
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.480
And I'm like swimming in the trench
and I'm glowing, and I'm like,

429
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:42.200
there's these ruins down there, and
I'm looking around and I'm like, there's

430
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.000
something at the bottom of this trench, and I know I'm supposed to go

431
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.480
towards it, and I keep swimming
and I get to the bottom of these

432
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:57.920
ruins in this trench and there's this
massive creature that all I could say seem

433
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.799
like the kraken, like a giant
like cracking thing. And I was at

434
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.599
first, I was a little bit
like that's scary, but then I felt

435
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.519
like it was hurt and it needed
help, and I swam up to it

436
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:17.000
and kind of just like glowed into
it, like, you know, went

437
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:23.079
with it, and it was it
was pregnant and couldn't have a baby.

438
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.799
It needed help. And so like
I I like glowed. I don't know

439
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.839
what I did. I was just
like glowing and like giving it some love,

440
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.160
I guess. And then then the
this is so weird. I know,

441
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.119
it's so weird. But then the
kracking creature squid whatever I don't know,

442
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:45.160
was able to have her baby,
I guess, and swam away and

443
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.519
thanked me, and I was like, okay, I did my job.

444
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.640
Now I'm gonna leave. And this
is where we get to the relevant part.

445
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.119
That was just like the beginning of
my astral projection. It was so

446
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.359
weird, but I helped the kraken
and I connected with my whale. So

447
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.000
anyway, this is where I get
to to greys Creek. Oh okay,

448
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:08.039
I asked, if you wanted the
relevant part. That's a big jump there.

449
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:13.039
Creek is where we live growing up. Yes, so grays Creek is

450
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:21.160
the the house where the river and
all of that stuff happened. I can't

451
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.079
believe I just told my squid story. Anyway, so we're I'm at grays

452
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.279
Creek. I'm in the backyard.
It's dark, the moon is out,

453
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.519
and I was looking at the moon
and I just kept feeling like I'm home,

454
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.839
you know, this is home because
we it's a long story, we

455
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:44.079
don't have that home anymore. It's
pretty upsetting. But I just felt so

456
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.720
at peace, like I'm at home, you know, and I'm in the

457
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:55.240
backyard, and I felt drawn to
go towards the grape vine, which is

458
00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.160
like towards We had a very big
backyard, so I go like towards the

459
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.240
back It was at least one hundred
yards. We lived on six acres and

460
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.280
the grapevine was halfway, probably about
fifty yards from our back door. And

461
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:10.400
we grew muscadine grapes and we would
eat them every summer, right, And

462
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:21.000
so I walked towards the grape vine, and I noticed that there were there

463
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.400
was some some beings around me,
light beings that you know, they were

464
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.760
with me. There were like three
or four, and I felt like they

465
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:36.360
wanted to show me something, and
they, you know, communicate telepathically.

466
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.960
They just like put thoughts in your
head. It's not really like talking,

467
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:43.679
and they just like willed me to
look. And I looked at the woods

468
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:51.960
and the woods were glowing, and
I just remember thinking, like how beautiful

469
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:58.320
that glow. Something about that glow
was so entrancing. It was so beautiful.

470
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.400
And I'm looking and I look through
the past because there's that like walkway

471
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:10.239
through there, and I see Dad
on the ground and the lady floating above

472
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.800
him, and she's glowing and I
couldn't really make out her her appearance as

473
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.639
he said it, but what resonated
with me was like the way that I

474
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.599
saw her as this pure light felt
like the same light I saw in my

475
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:29.000
first astral projection when I saw her, remember, and she was just when

476
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.679
you were like take me higher mind, and she was just pure light.

477
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.599
It was just like that. Can
you find that episode so I can plug

478
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.440
it and thank you, Elex.
And so I saw the beings were all

479
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.239
around me, and at this point
I notice I'm the moment I realize I'm

480
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:49.119
watching Dad have his interaction with the
lady. I look around me and there's

481
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.559
more beings with me. There were
three or four, there's like fifteen now

482
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.280
wow, and there's you know what's
weird about that they're all with me.

483
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.360
Dad always says that number fifteen,
Yes, he said, he always feels

484
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.199
like there's at least fifteen around us. Yeah, have you heard him say

485
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.039
that? Yes, fifteen is a
specific number. He says, yes,

486
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.440
it is and when, and I
had that in my mind, and when

487
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.840
I looked, I was like,
wow, there's really like fifteen with me,

488
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.639
and they're like glowing and they're standing
and I know they want me to

489
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.519
watch this. I know they're like, for real, showing me this moment

490
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:22.280
as they saw it from their perspective, and it was like the word you

491
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.199
know, like in the Bible,
like a throng of angels, like that's

492
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.360
how it felt like they were witnessing
this moment in the history. And I

493
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.079
was with them on the other side, watching Dad have this experience with the

494
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.159
lady and he was on the ground
and she even handed him the prickly thing

495
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.440
and he dropped it and I laughed
and we were like watching it and it

496
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:46.719
was like it was just so surreal. And then I was kind of pulled

497
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.039
to look to my left and this
is, oh the chills. I look

498
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.280
over and at this same moment this
is happening. I look over and me

499
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:04.400
and you and Jerem, me and
Dad are standing in the backyard looking up

500
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:09.239
over the shed at this massive orb
that was hovering in and out of the

501
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.400
trees, like we always remember it
and always remembered that it was a weird

502
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.039
So this in the same astral projection, it took you to a different night

503
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.639
or a different day. And it's
that it's at the same moment, like

504
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.760
they were happening. You're experiencing it
at the same moment, but you're you're

505
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.679
explaining to me that it was that
day in two thousand and eight. Is

506
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.800
that what you're saying, the big
orb over the Christmas tree form, the

507
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.000
one that we were watching in the
woods. Yeah, two thousand oh.

508
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.840
You always felt like we were like
in a trance. I just wanted to

509
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.760
clear that up. So it's showing
you an event in twenty twelve and twenty

510
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.760
eight, but at the same happening
simultaneously in your vision. Yes, okay,

511
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.039
they were five years apart. I'm
standing surrounded by all these beings and

512
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.920
at the same moment, they're showing
me two experiences at the same time,

513
00:37:54.119 --> 00:38:00.199
right, because from their view,
it's all happening at the tips of their

514
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.639
fingers. They're manipulating, pulling the
strings all at one moment. And so

515
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.639
I was watching us in a trance, literally staring at this orb floating,

516
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.880
and I look over and Dad's with
the lady, and it's all happening at

517
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.000
one moment, and the beings are
just like, this is what we see,

518
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.000
this is how it is for us. And that was that intense peace

519
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.000
feeling for me. It was like
they're always with me. And so they're

520
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.480
like, go in the house.
So I go in the house and it's

521
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:34.960
dark, and this is kind of
funny. We have this like epic,

522
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.880
scary long hallway in the house right
the front to back. You know,

523
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.960
you go in the back door and
it's all the way to the front door

524
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.320
is that creepy long hallway. And
so I go to the front and go

525
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.960
to my bedroom and it's totally dark
everywhere in the house, no lights.

526
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.400
And I go in my room and
I see me laying in bed the same

527
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.280
time the ladies in the backyard.
We're still in the backyard. I'm in

528
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.320
my bed. All of it's at
one time, We're all I'm everywhere right,

529
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.760
And so I'm in bad sleeping and
I look over in the corner of

530
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.400
my room and I see the tall
being that I always would draw, yes,

531
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.039
and he's in there. I just
say, hey, I don't know,

532
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:16.360
but the being is in there.
And I looked at it and I

533
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.119
was like, are you here to
harm me, and it was like no.

534
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.960
I was like, okay, you
can stay. Wow. I was

535
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.280
like you can stay because I felt
like intuitively he was just like watching me,

536
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.840
you know, like there to whatever. And I was like, okay,

537
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.800
but where are the other ones?
Because there were other beings that would

538
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.519
plague my nightmares and dreams and come
to me and they scared me bad.

539
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.800
That one never like threatened me scary, but it was uncomfortable and I would

540
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.360
feel its presence. But I had
two other beings that came in repetitive nightmares,

541
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.679
if that makes sense. And I
was like where are they? And

542
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.840
they appeared and I was like get
out, and they like disappeared, which

543
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.639
is significant because all those years ago, that's what I had to do to

544
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.000
them to get them to go away, if that makes sense. Yeah,

545
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.280
And so they disappeared in this astral
projection the same way they did in my

546
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:14.320
dream, if that makes sense.
Yeah. But I left the one in

547
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.239
the corner standing there. I thought
you. I didn't hear the cracking part

548
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:21.800
before, but I do remember this
story you just told. I thought you

549
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.400
told me that the one in the
corner was there to protect you or am

550
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.960
I making that up? Yeah,
that's what I said. He was there

551
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.880
to watch me. He was there. I told him he could stay wow.

552
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.440
But the other two I had one
that was a goblin looking thing and

553
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.159
he has to draw that one.
Yeah, I hated that one. He

554
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:37.639
scared me and you drew it.
Was it the one in the hood that

555
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.679
you let stay yes? Cool?
The one that's in the book. The

556
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.920
drawing in the book is the one
I let stay wow. The Ghost of

557
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.760
Christmas yet to come? Right,
it looked like that. Yeah, remember

558
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.199
I made a TikTok about that.
It was like, how Charles Dickens is

559
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.760
our relative, and how he depicted
the ghost of Christmas yet to come as

560
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.039
this dark, cloaked figure that's here
to show you your past, present future

561
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.119
whatever. And I had this experience
with my past present future and this cloaked

562
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.360
figure in my corner. And we're
related. And my middle name is Carol,

563
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:10.760
like a Christmas Carol. Yeah,
my middle name is Dickens. It's

564
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.440
my mother's main name. It's like
just weird. My middle name is Carol

565
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.599
like a Christmas Carol on purpose.
Yeah, And he depicted this entity that

566
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.000
was coming to me for real,
right, It's just weird. It's weird,

567
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.400
and so I let that one stay
in the bedroom and the other two

568
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.159
disappeared. Okay, And so this
is where it's like, this was the

569
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.360
moment, like if all of this
already wasn't mind bending, this is what

570
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.880
really got me. So I leave
me in the bed, and I leave

571
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.199
the cloaked figure in the corner,
and I walk into the kitchen, which

572
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:45.360
was kind of like the center of
our house, and I was just sucked

573
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.000
up above the house, like through
the rafters, and I was looking down

574
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:57.639
at the house and it was like
a time lapse all within a couple of

575
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:06.840
moments. It was like the being
showed me all of the activity that ever

576
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.239
happened in a couple of moments,
all at once, like an explosion.

577
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.400
Wow. It was like boo boo
boo boop, like that much time.

578
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.920
And it was like everything like all
the thousands of all of the things that

579
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.320
happened, a figures running, light
bulbs exploding, an orb here orb there,

580
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.000
this thing flying off the table,
this person getting pushed, an entity

581
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.239
there. It was like all of
it, like all of it happened at

582
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.639
one moment in this like little time
lapse, and it was an explosion of

583
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.840
just like energy, and it shocked
me because it was like, of course,

584
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.360
I know this stuff is real,
and I've always known that it was

585
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.119
real and happening, but there's still
that disconnect of like I have to operate

586
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.679
in society and go to college and
not feel crazy, and you just pushed

587
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.039
this down to a certain extent,
and seeing it all like that was like,

588
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.320
I can't escape this. This is
extremely real. This is realer than

589
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.000
anything I've ever experienced, and I
can't deny it. And it's happening all

590
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.880
at the same moment for these beings
who are around me at every given moment,

591
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:15.159
all the time, and it's like
a whole throng of them. Yes.

592
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.840
And so after they pulled me back
down from the rafters, I saw

593
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:25.440
that I walked to my piano and
they showed me playing piano and there were

594
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:32.199
like three beings standing behind me watching
me play piano. Wow, And the

595
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.239
last part it's almost over, so
they're like watching me play piano. I'm

596
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.079
watching me watch them. No,
I'm watching them watch me play piano,

597
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:46.039
which is so weird. But I
walk out into the backyard again and all

598
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.679
of the beings are out there and
they kind of like surround me and like

599
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.800
hugged me kind of it was like
a not a real hug, but it

600
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.199
felt like a group hug. Like
they glowed and I came out of it.

601
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:07.519
That's amazing. Yeah, yeah,
it's definitely changed me. If I'm

602
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:13.760
like just drawing from my experience studying
psychology and talking about like psychoanalysis and you

603
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.119
know, dream interpretation and things like
that, my initial take with the experience

604
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:24.679
with the whale and the kraken was
symbolic of you journeying deeper into your traumatized

605
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:30.840
subconscious mind, and like the whale
is your guide, it's guiding you down,

606
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.960
helping you glow as you go down
into the darkness your subconscious mind.

607
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.559
You're going deeper into the recesses of
your soul. And you get down there,

608
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.320
there's this big, scary monster,
but it's really just wounded. It's

609
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.760
really just it's just trying to have
a baby. But I think that's symbolic

610
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.280
of growth life, you know,
projecting your purpose into the world, creating,

611
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.360
you know, doing what you're supposed
to do. And you went and

612
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.679
you showed it love and it had
its little baby, and then it cleared

613
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.239
and then you were shown this mystical
vision by the angels. I think it

614
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.840
was symbolic of your journey deeper into
yourself and into your soul, right,

615
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.559
Like, was there really a whale
and a crack? And probably not?

616
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.599
I think it was. I think
it was like a metaphor for your inner

617
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:13.519
journey right of healing. Right,
But I will say that that, Yeah,

618
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.320
the water is usually symbolic of the
subconscious when you're going deeper into the

619
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.719
water. Yes, And it was
just so weird that I was falling,

620
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.599
like physically, I felt like I
was falling, and then I was in

621
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.760
this water, which is where I
started the last time. But yeah,

622
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.320
the whale stuff felt real in the
visceral sense, like it was significant,

623
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.639
But the Gray's Creek stuff felt like
I was actually there, Like, yeah,

624
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.519
like you were. I believe you, like you you're you're being shown

625
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.039
the actual events, right, Yeah, I I one hundred percent believe that.

626
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.639
It's It's like I've heard of crazier
stuff. It's an I'm not gonna

627
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:54.239
lie like, it's an incredible gift
that I feel so blessed to have witnessed.

628
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.599
I will always be changed by what
I saw with that, I'm gonna

629
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.159
be I'm gonn beat around the bush
here. Okay, but I'm going to

630
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.320
talk about a recent sighting that you
and Dad had. I'm going to keep

631
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.159
it very vague, but there was
a moment where you and Dad were skywatching

632
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:17.840
recently, a pretty significant moment people
needed to see. And Dad is texting

633
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.880
us. He always texts me when
he's worried about this stuff. I'm always

634
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:22.880
calling him, how's the trip,
Dad, how to go? You know,

635
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.559
blah blah blah blah blah. I'm
always I'm always trying to bolster him.

636
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.239
Always, yeah, you know.
And he's texting me, and you're

637
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.840
texting me, send good vibes.
We need prayer, we need to see

638
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.039
you know, we need good energy. And I started meditating and I just

639
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.400
went deep into myself. I paused
my show that I was watching with my

640
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:45.599
wife, and I was like,
Jenny, I'm going to meditate for them

641
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.920
real quick. And I just went
deep into myself. And then I started

642
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:58.800
visualizing astrally projecting and being there and
putting my hands on Dad and sending him

643
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.639
my energy. And I started visualizing
looking up and seeing them and calling out

644
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.039
to them with my spirit and allowing
my energy to like encourage you guys,

645
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.000
help you guys to see what you
needed to see. And in my vision,

646
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.960
while and I was awake, I
wasn't listening to tapes. I was

647
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.400
just sitting there watching TV. And
I paused it and I started meditating,

648
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.639
and it was really weird. You
know, we have this whole History Channel

649
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.119
thing, but Dad and his brain
scan, and we know he has some

650
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.440
real psychic phenomenon going on. We
know that there's there's a question in this

651
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.840
community. Is it true with the
kids? I would say likely probably so,

652
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.639
I mean, the apple doesn't fall
far from the tree. But I'm

653
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.599
telling you, I felt weird,
and I felt a sense of as I

654
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.559
had in my mind, you know, traveling to my dad and having my

655
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.760
hands on his back. I kept
even imagining, really hard, I'm like

656
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.880
Goku when he goes to help Gohan
do his father son Kamehameha from the spirit

657
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.400
world. I kept thinking, like
this is me, Like you know,

658
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.079
it's silly, but like it was
the visualization that I was using to help

659
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.960
really try to feel it and believe
it. So I had my hand on

660
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.880
Dad's back like Goku when he's doing
the father son call me homie hog and

661
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.440
sell, and I'm like I feel
them, They're here, They're they're gonna

662
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.440
show. It's gonna happen. I
can feel it, I can see them.

663
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:14.000
And then I texted you you're gonna
see them. Then with the minutes

664
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.360
it happened. Yeah, I just
felt a feeling. And I don't think

665
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.480
it's because I did that. I
think I was allowed to sense it.

666
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:28.760
Yeah. I think that that connection
knows no time or space. Yeah.

667
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.880
And when those things happen, and
they happen a lot in our family,

668
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.599
and it's you know, just crazy
stuff happens, and you got to say,

669
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.400
like it it feels different in your
mind. Yeah, you know what

670
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.360
I'm talking about. Yeah, you
feel different. Yeah, it seems like

671
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:50.800
the more things unfold, the more
the what is it? You know,

672
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.599
how like allegory is the only way
to explain things like that, the more

673
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:59.760
that that truth feels real to me, Like I can't explain things without creating

674
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:04.199
some sort of artistic depiction of it, because there's no way for you to

675
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.320
understand. Yeah, that's why I
focused on the dragon ball Z thing,

676
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.920
like because it's silly, but it's
like, well it has merit, you

677
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:14.639
know, Yeah, there's coming coming, you know, through the spirit world,

678
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.360
so to speak, to give you
my energy, right, and I

679
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:21.119
felt I just had this deep inner
knowing it's going to happen. And I

680
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.280
texted you guys, it's done,
It's gonna happen. Yeah, it's just

681
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:34.000
a knowing. Yeah, like I
a few weeks ago had there was a

682
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:39.599
figure in my bedroom that appeared,
and it was just like a The appearance

683
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.480
of it was just like a knowing, like yup, okay, whatever what

684
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.719
I was thinking about at the moment
is fine, yep, thank you.

685
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:53.000
I just went right to sleep,
which is so funny because it was I

686
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.599
was like laying down, just going
to sleep, but I had my eyes

687
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.280
wide open. I was facing the
window. The light was kind of coming

688
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.760
through, so it's like I wasn't
seeing things, you know. It was

689
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.679
just like an obvious shadow figure about
three four foot tall walked past my window

690
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.360
and I was just like, thank
you, Like I was really stressing about

691
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.199
whatever it was I was thinking about. And no more stress, no more

692
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.719
stress. Yeah it's confirming for you. Yeah, I really believe, especially

693
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.840
with your astral projection experience, it
seems to me the deeper we get into

694
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.800
this, especially since the book came
out, especially since the first History Channel

695
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.480
documentary has come out, and all
the other recent developments, and there's other

696
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:39.159
stuff too that you know, we
we we have exciting opportunities to announce in

697
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.440
the future, things that haven't been
discussed yet. But we're always working LEDs

698
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:47.320
of families, always cooking, we're
always reaching new heights. And it feels

699
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.880
like since all this stuff has been
happening, I believe now so with one

700
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:59.960
percent certainty, with zero doubt,
that everything ever in the history of all

701
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:07.199
time, ever any minute discrete event
that you can imagine in history, everything

702
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.760
has unfolded according to the great plan
of destiny. Yea, even the bad

703
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.920
choices, and even you know,
the mistakes, the heartache, even the

704
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.199
heartache, even the suffering, even
the trauma, every bad choice I've made

705
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.679
or you've made in the past,
everything led you to right here right now.

706
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:31.480
Yeah, it's like the gift that
they gave me and I've can I

707
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.079
be honest, please, It's like
in the last year, especially but especially

708
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.599
since that experience with the projection,
I feel like my higher self perspective has

709
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.679
been so strong, but especially since
that projection, to where it's like everything

710
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.920
every communication I have with a person, every scenario I'm in everywhere I'm at,

711
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.519
I'm like constantly viewing my life from
a different perspective. I'm like not

712
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.800
actually here in my body, which
is sometimes really amazing because it's like very

713
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:08.400
peaceful, but sometimes it's a little
bit unnerving because I've said on here before,

714
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.800
like I've always had my head in
the clouds kind of person anyway,

715
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:22.559
And so it's it's been really an
extra sort of challenge for me to really

716
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:29.559
ground myself in reality these days because
all the things happening. Yeah, that's

717
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.639
that's kind of also been part of
the you know, it's not a down,

718
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.639
It's a very positive down if there
is one, you know, But

719
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.679
it's it's been a new challenge for
me to really try and keep myself rooted

720
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:45.320
in reality with mental and like,
honestly, like mundane tasks have been my

721
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.760
favorite thing. Like doing the dishes
keeps me sane, you know, like

722
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.599
because the stuff popping off around us
and I'm creating this program and all of

723
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.320
this stuff going on, it's like, how do you stay normal? How

724
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.360
do you function in crowds of people? You know? It's tough. Yeah,

725
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.119
well they want to talk about is
this silly stuff? And it's like

726
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.400
I I'm like seeing everything I can
do that stuff. I'm like floating above

727
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.960
my house seeing everything happen all in
one moment. It's like, how are

728
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:17.079
you not changed from that? And
then like trying to stay and I don't

729
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.360
want to be normal. Like it's
not that I'm trying to stay normal or

730
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.639
put myself in that box. It's
just I'm trying to stay like functional,

731
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.559
you know what I'm saying, Right, I stopped being functional a long time

732
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.920
ago, and I've given it all
to the podcast. I don't think I've

733
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.840
ever been functional, but I've always
been functional in the like conventional sense,

734
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.840
like I got my degrees and I'm
still studying. But at the same time,

735
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.840
I've never really been normal. Yeah, so anyway, we stop being

736
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.480
normal seventeen years ago. No,
I totally get it. I have a

737
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.840
very hard time functioning doing mundane stuff. Yeah, Like I just feel like

738
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.719
routine is so important. Routine is
tough, and I feel like my mind

739
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:59.960
is so jacked way the hell away
from like the basic system that everybody observes,

740
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.079
you know, right, and it's
it's it's really tough to like,

741
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.800
you know, let's just say,
being creative is a great opportunity for me.

742
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.960
Yes, creative is Creativity is so
important. But sometimes with like even

743
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:16.400
my TikTok, it's like creating this
content is so healing and fun, and

744
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:22.320
then sometimes it's like I need to
take a week off because it's not the

745
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.639
kind of content that roots me and
the reality I need to function, you

746
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:31.079
know. So it's just an interesting
challenge. Yeah. But it's interesting too

747
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:37.199
because everyone's commenting and messaging me and
you and saying like things feel different for

748
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.440
them too. It's not just me
and you, it's not just our family,

749
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.239
it's everybody. Even people who aren't
into spirituality or into this stuff.

750
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.199
They're like, things feel weird these
days and they don't know why. It's

751
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.760
like things are Consciousness is actually evolving, it's shifting. Yeah, yeah,

752
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.000
and that's for everybody. It's like
it's amazing to be a part of that.

753
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:05.079
We're really in, Like this era
is so important in the history of

754
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.920
all of We're approaching all time a
golden era. Yes, we're approaching a

755
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.119
new golden era obviously, you know, we know it is the age of

756
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.880
Aquarius. I think we're very close. I think we're knocking on the door.

757
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.760
Yeah right now. And I do
believe exactly like you said, consciousness

758
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.559
is shifting for all of humanity.
But I think those who really seek and

759
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:28.480
really have a spiritual purpose and are
seeking to be a part of something greater

760
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:34.679
are experiencing the shift. First,
you have billions of people out there,

761
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.880
nasty, depraved, have no care
in the world if there even is a

762
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.920
god or some greater mystery to life. They'd rather rob you, you know,

763
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:45.920
take your twenty dollars bill out of
your pocket and screw over their neighbor

764
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.639
and do all this nasty stuff.
Hopefully they'll shift, hopefully, you know,

765
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.320
if they work on themselves and they
change. But ultimately it's up to

766
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.840
us to be better people, and
you know, embrace this, this this

767
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:05.840
energy, this this this new knowledge
that's coming, so to speak. Yeah,

768
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.840
which is really old knowledge. It's
just that God's real, right,

769
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.119
but like really real, but like
actually real. Yeah, actually not your

770
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.920
God, not my God, not
their god, you know, Buddha,

771
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.119
Islam blah blah blah. No,
no, no, there's there's there's one

772
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.719
real thing. Yeah, forget about
all these silly little knick knacks. There

773
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.360
is one real thing. Let's figure
out how to connect with it, right,

774
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.559
and that's part of it's so cool. It's part of my program kind

775
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.920
of too, like my voice program. It's like not explicitly about this,

776
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.239
but it's kind of sneaky. Not
sneaky, it's you know, explained,

777
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.440
but like the consciousness, like that
you you are a part of that,

778
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.719
you are a part of God.
Like it doesn't matter what religion you come

779
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.480
from. We're going to dive into
what it means to be you and your

780
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.320
spirituality and your consciousness, your connection
to God in the way that you view

781
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:59.440
it, and how that can enhance
your singing and how singing as vibration can

782
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.920
affect the world around you. Because
like if I can look at you a

783
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.639
certain way and that energy will make
you feel different, imagine how my voice

784
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.480
will affect you, you know.
And I think that that's you know,

785
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:17.800
by extension, like the podcast and
TikTok and the History Channel and the book,

786
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.199
Like it's just more words, more
energy, more vibration being put out

787
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:29.360
there, and it's really cool to
connect with people who who are receiving that,

788
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.480
who are on the same wavelength.
You know. It's like more and

789
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.519
more people every day. Before Dad
published the book, we had a lot

790
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.280
of talks about it. He was
giving me the chapters in advance to read

791
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.880
and you know, and I was
just blown away. I was like,

792
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.760
wow, I didn't know the book
was going to be like this. I

793
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:46.679
thought it was going to be like
a fact based book. I didn't know

794
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.639
it was going to be his life
story, which is way better, beautifully

795
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:54.440
written. Yeah, yeah, no, it's wonderful. And cried, oh

796
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.400
my gosh. Yeah, I can't
read it. And I told him before

797
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:00.599
it came out. I was like, Dad, do you understand that when

798
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:08.840
you publish this book, it's going
to change the world because you're taking the

799
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:15.559
story of our family, our message, and you're binding it symbolically to paper.

800
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:20.480
You're what you're essentially doing. Anything
ever about our life that came from

801
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:25.159
us was scattered little interviews online or
my podcast or you know. He's had

802
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:30.920
some appearances, but he never wrote
it down. It was always fragmented tellings

803
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.360
of it from different perspectives, asking
questions. And I was like, but

804
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.280
Dad, you're taking symbols. Letters
and words are simples symbols. They have

805
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:43.039
some ancient, you know, meaning
and purpose that we don't understand. You're

806
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.440
taking your story and you're materializing it
into the three D World two symbols.

807
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:52.920
It's going to be more like crystallized
in this realm. You're like ceiling it

808
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.599
into our shared reality, Dad.
And because you're going to do that,

809
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.639
everything is going to change. And
it started popping off rapidly after his book

810
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.239
came out, all this stuff going
off and UFO disclosure, And let's not

811
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:13.519
be naive here. We do know
for a fact, and with one authenticity,

812
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.159
that you know, the entire Department
of Defense, any sort of down

813
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.159
to the rookie up to the program
director, if there's anybody who knows about

814
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.199
UFOs, they know who we are. They know that our stuff's real,

815
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.079
they know that it's spreading. They're
very aware of it. They tell us.

816
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.519
And we know that all of this
stuff in the global UFO conversation is

817
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.519
directly correlated to our story breaking out
deeper and deeper into the masses. We

818
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.760
know this. They're telling us.
They're not saying it publicly. They're saying

819
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.639
into the blood sas am I right, they're telling us this. You know.

820
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.960
I'm telling them because I want them
to understand, like our story is

821
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.159
on the cusp of getting out there. And I told dat it's because you're

822
00:59:54.599 --> 01:00:00.880
finally writing it down. It's all
going to change. Yeah, Dad has

823
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:05.440
these knowings about certain things. You
have knowings about certain things, Junior does,

824
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.920
Jeremy does. I have knowings about
certain things? You know? Like,

825
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.760
and I keep telling Dad, I'm
like, it's all gonna change,

826
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.719
man, You're gonna change it.
You're gonna change the world. Yeah,

827
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:22.639
it's happening right now. Whether or
not we like it at this point,

828
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.440
I love it. I love it
too. Bring it on, baby.

829
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:30.760
I keep saying, we're gonna have
a grand Slam this year, twenty twenty

830
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.960
four. Baby, look at Alex. Nana said, Yeah, is the

831
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:38.400
year. It's the year. There's
a lot coming up we can't talk about,

832
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.559
which feels weird. Yeah, we
got a lot going on, talk

833
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.679
about it. We got a lot
of frogs in the pot. I don't

834
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.639
really boil frogs like that. I
just wanted to try out. I don't

835
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:52.639
say it. I don't really like
frogs. Yeah, we got a lot

836
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.079
of crazy stuff going on. Is
there anything that you haven't gotten off your

837
01:00:55.119 --> 01:01:02.320
chest? Well, you put me
on the spot like that. I don't.

838
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:12.559
I don't know any You're you feel
resolved? Huh, I don't.

839
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.480
I don't know. I feel like
I had something to say earlier and I

840
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:24.719
can't remember what it was. Any
experiences sightings you've had recently, I tell

841
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:35.480
you about the I know, I
meant I've mentioned the the moment where Jack

842
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.400
and I were with Dad and the
lights were all around us and the flame

843
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:45.559
and no, yeah, well tell
me again and let the audience listen.

844
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.199
Okay. So, well, I
was going to elaborate something that's just like

845
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.400
and I want to. I want
to explain something like that. Sometimes these

846
01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:02.639
experiences are in the moment with your
eyes open looking at it, but sometimes

847
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:07.360
just as real, like the astral
projection. It's it's a projection, right,

848
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.199
It's it's real, but it's not
with me like right now looking at

849
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:17.239
you sometimes right, and so they're
okay, this what I'm gonna explain is

850
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:22.719
both. So the first was around
Easter last year, and I'm pretty sure

851
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.920
I explained this a little bit.
But Dad and I and Jack, while

852
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:35.000
we were still living in North Carolina
around Easter, we're out and Jack just

853
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.360
kept saying, it's like a wha, remember, like avatar, like avatar,

854
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:42.320
like a wah. But we were
standing outside. This happened a couple

855
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:47.599
nights and just at night, you
know, we'd go out and the lights,

856
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:52.400
these orbs, they were like flames, like little flames appearing all around

857
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.519
us, like within touching distance,
right in my face, right around us,

858
01:02:55.559 --> 01:03:00.519
like sparks everywhere in the trees and
my face, and we're just like

859
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.119
stunned by it. Like it's just
glorious. You're just standing there, You're

860
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.920
just energetically vibrating, and like you're
just you can't breathe. It's just,

861
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:15.480
you know, so real and beautiful. And uh, the first night that

862
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:21.559
that happened, I had this dream. I guess I'd never told you,

863
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:29.559
but that night I dreamed that And
this is the projection part that felt extremely

864
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:30.599
real, right, So it was
in a dream. It came in a

865
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:37.360
dream. I was in I like
climb this ladder and I was up in

866
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:44.039
this like platform and I was looking
around and the world was like deforested.

867
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:45.599
It was like I was looking around
and everything, all the trees were cut

868
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.119
down, and the earth was sad, and I was like, why is

869
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.960
what's wrong with the planet? What's
wrong? Something's wrong? And I looked

870
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:59.039
farther and could see a mixture kind
of like my astral projection. It was

871
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.559
a mixture of the Gray Creek backyard
with the tree, the burning tree,

872
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:08.119
and then the pond where my parents
live now. So those landscapes were combined

873
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:14.199
into symbolically one, you know,
representation of our family and where we live,

874
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.239
you know what I'm saying, And
all of the family members you,

875
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.760
Mom and Dad, Chris, everyone
was walking around like living, trying to

876
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:28.159
figure out life, talking, laughing, stressed, just like I was watching

877
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:34.119
you inhabit life, I guess,
And I'm up on this higher perspective platform

878
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:40.480
and look over. The platform gets
a little bigger and I look and there's

879
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.079
my breath stops. It was like
and there's a being standing there looking at

880
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.320
me. And it was like I've
seen beings before, but whatever, this

881
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:53.480
whatever, for whatever reason, this
one like had a message for me.

882
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:59.719
And it like it really viscerally like
shocked me. I don't know. And

883
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.280
so so it like comes toward me
and it's it's cloaked. I can't see

884
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.719
its face, but it feels like
the same beings as the one like the

885
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:11.000
light beings or it was just cloaked, right, And it comes to me

886
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.960
and it says, basically, you
know that I'm watching our lives that it's

887
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:21.920
showing that the beings are showing me
everything from a higher perspective, that we

888
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:27.280
are here to help help the planet. This is after we were witnessing the

889
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.840
orbs that same night. Same night, okay, same night, the flames,

890
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:36.079
the flames, yes, and so
so so again, what did it

891
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:40.760
say. It was basically saying,
like, you're it's showing me from a

892
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.679
higher perspective, how like I have
a purpose here to help the planet,

893
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:48.920
to help people, to help humanity
and the planet physically as a being.

894
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:55.840
It's hurting, it's bleeding, it's
right dying, and everyone's upset. Look

895
01:05:55.880 --> 01:06:00.440
at your family, look at all
the people. And it looked at me,

896
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.039
and I looked at it and I
was like unable to breathe, and

897
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.960
it just said, you know,
in my mind, it was like,

898
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.039
you have work to do. All
I said was you have work to do,

899
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.360
And it was all I can say. It was like a rush of

900
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:19.159
electricity and it felt like my mind
like in the matrix or something, you're

901
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:27.519
seeing all these lights like b you
know, and my everything froze like I

902
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.639
was like being electrocuted. And I
literally woke up out of my dream hyperventilating,

903
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:32.639
and Jack was freaking out, like
in bed. He was like,

904
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:39.559
are you okay? And I feel
like that was a real experience I had,

905
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.920
like it imparted something to me when
it said that, Well, remember

906
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:47.119
when Dad had his first ever It
like physically imparted some sort of electricity on

907
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.800
me and I woke up and I
was like actually having an experience. It

908
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.599
was when Dad had his initial encounter
and then he had the hypnotic regression.

909
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:58.679
Remember the beings told him, we
can take your soul from your body while

910
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.960
you're asleep in your bed and take
you on a journey and show you things.

911
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.360
Yeah, those are real experience.
I know they're real. And the

912
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.960
funny thing is like, at this
point, people are starting to believe in

913
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.400
the orbs, so I don't feel
like I have to justify that. But

914
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.320
at this point, I feel like
I have to justify this type of experience

915
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.360
because that sounds like the weird stuff. But Emily, we have the scientific

916
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:17.559
data that day brain as anomalist.
I don't have to justify I know I

917
01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:23.280
don't, But if people can't understand, they're behind and they're unfortunately I know.

918
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.480
But it's just funny how it's evolved, like we're breaking in a new

919
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.840
territory here where we're actually like proving
this is real. And it's funny because

920
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.800
like after that happened and I woke
up, I felt different ever since that.

921
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:36.440
It like imparted something on me and
said you have work to do.

922
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:42.760
And then Dad went to Skinwalker Ranch
and was like texting me praying, like

923
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.400
pray for me, like we have
to see something. This was when they

924
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:50.079
were still filming for the first season, and he was there at Skinwalker Ranch

925
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:55.840
and I was like out there.
While he was out there at Skinwalker Ranch,

926
01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.639
I was in our backyard having the
exact same experience with the flames,

927
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:03.800
the orbs all around me in my
face, just me privately, and I

928
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:10.159
was just talking out loud to the
lady and it was just I don't know,

929
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.760
it's been a different year. Yeah, it's been a different year.

930
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.119
It's only going to get crazier.
I know, twenty twenty six is two

931
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:18.680
years away. We're in the endgame
here, Like I think the next two

932
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:23.880
years are going to be the craziest
years of anyone's life. Yeah, you

933
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.680
know, it's going to look scary
to the uninitiated, to the ones who

934
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.720
don't know the truth and they're not
aware that there's a higher plan and a

935
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:32.760
good plan, and I think that
they're going to get lost and all of

936
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.000
this stuff in the news and all
the stuff they see out there, that

937
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:40.199
everything is so bad and doom and
gloom, and that you know, all

938
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.359
we can do is just keep putting
out our message and hope for the best

939
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:47.880
and hope that people can see and
understand from a truth perspective, you know,

940
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:51.119
like, sure, it's going to
look bad before it gets good.

941
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:58.039
But that was the prophecy that's been
predicted, which the Being's told Dad.

942
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.479
The prophecy is going to come true
exactly how it was written, you know.

943
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.359
I mean, I'm not saying every
little metaphor in the Book of Revelations.

944
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:06.880
I'm just saying the big picture of
it. You know, there might

945
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.479
look like there's wars and things like
that, but I mean, at the

946
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.520
end of the day, like it's
only going to go on for so long

947
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:15.079
before the light steps in and stop
it. And I think we're in the

948
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.880
endgame here. I think over the
next two years, some insane things are

949
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.760
going to happen, and we're going
to be there on the other side being

950
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:26.000
like I told you so. Yeah, we've been saying it, y'all didn't

951
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.079
want to listen until we went on
TV. I think the most important thing

952
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.039
what I did want to get off
my chest that I couldn't remember the most

953
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:35.880
important thing that I'm finding that I
hope anyone listening can resonate with. Is

954
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:45.880
that truly, just like the foundations, the basics, the very simplest version

955
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:51.159
of your concept of the soul is
what matters. And like God and to

956
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:56.319
like you say all the time,
not to label things, because I still

957
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.840
you know, everyone wants to label. Everyone wants to, you know,

958
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.039
see the phenomenon as this or that, And it's like, no, Like,

959
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.520
what is this telling you? What
does this mean? What's the meaning

960
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:11.119
behind it? What does it make
you feel? Why do you feel this

961
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:15.640
way? You know what I mean? Like the basic most the same thing

962
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.560
with my program. Why do you
sing? What's the point in singing if

963
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.039
you don't have a soul? What's
the point in seeing the phenomenon if it

964
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:25.920
doesn't give you a feeling, if
it's not connected to something important? Yeah,

965
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.800
why do we need to label it? Why do I need to try

966
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:30.319
and touch it? Why do I
need to this that or the other?

967
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.399
No, like what are you doing
to so to say, go into the

968
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:40.039
trench and heal that Kraken? Right, Like, how can you be making

969
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:45.479
yourself feel better ultimately? Because and
you know, like my line of if

970
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:48.000
you want to talk science, ye, like the nervous system and all of

971
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:53.920
this stuff like ultimately healing yourself,
your nervous system, whatever it is,

972
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:59.680
your inner child, whatever viewpoint you
have. Healing yourself, having that control

973
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.159
over or your own person, your
own mind, body, spirit is the

974
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:08.920
only thing you can do. And
by doing that, you can heal the

975
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:15.039
world around you. Truly, you
can actually have capacity to help people better

976
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.199
than you would have before, and
you can be affecting real vibrational change in

977
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:26.479
people and the world around you.
And I think that's it's something like yeah,

978
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.560
duh, I need to work on
myself. But no, really,

979
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.319
like how much effort and energy are
you putting into other people or situations you

980
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:38.319
have no control over? We all
do? I do? We all do?

981
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:43.840
So like literally literally take a moment
and like, what can you focus

982
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:47.920
on inside more? What can you
cultivate and heal so that you can affect

983
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.920
change that you want to in the
world? Right, that's all you can

984
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:58.600
do? And well, first,
be a light to yourself so you can

985
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:03.399
be a light to others. It's
so important. And I did have one

986
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:08.720
funny story to get off my chest. Okay, it's very irrelevant. So

987
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:14.680
if you're not ready, I'm ready. I just thought about it the other

988
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:18.680
day. Remember when Mom through the
turtle? No, you don't remember when

989
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:23.279
Mom through the turtle like a real
turtle. No, I don't remember that.

990
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:28.520
You don't remember we were flounder gigging. No we were. Okay,

991
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.640
you don't remember going flounder gigging.
I do, but I don't remember her

992
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.680
throwing a turtle. So we were. This would have been like nearly twenty

993
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.520
years ago that we went founder.
No it wasn't. I was in like

994
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.600
high school. No way I would
have. Yes, So we were going

995
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:48.640
flounder gigging. If anyone's ever ever
been flounder gigging. You attach lights to

996
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:53.600
the bottom of your boat and you
go out at night and in shallow water,

997
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.600
shallow water, and the water is
lit up, so it's like the

998
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.359
ocean is vibrant and light, but
every everything around you is dark. So

999
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:05.159
it's really magical and really mysterious and
cool. And you don't fish with a

1000
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:10.880
fishing bowl. You stabbed the flounder
with a spear. Yeah, it's very

1001
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:15.640
like caveman. You stabbed the flounder. I didn't want to stab them.

1002
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:21.520
But anyway, one time Ryan and
I were flounder gigging with Mom and dad,

1003
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:27.760
and Mom had the spear. I
don't know what they're called the gig

1004
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.439
I don't know. I don't know. And there was a sea turtle swimming

1005
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.960
on the water. You tell me
you don't remember this, it's coming back

1006
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.239
to me. She took she picked
up the spear and like took the flat

1007
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:43.840
side of it and was like,
look a baby turtle. And she like

1008
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.319
picked the turtle up to show us
and accidentally flung it like twenty feet into

1009
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:53.640
the water into the darkness. That's
funny, like splashed and it swam away.

1010
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:56.119
And I don't know why I thought
about it the other day, but

1011
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.840
I really thought you'd remember that.
That's hilarious. Yeah, she didn't injure

1012
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:02.399
the turtle. I know sea turtles
are very important. It swam away,

1013
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:06.760
but yeah, that's funny. There
was one time when we were all we

1014
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:11.439
were fishing that turtle. We laughed
for like three hours. One time we

1015
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:16.840
were fishing out on the boat and
Jeremy cast his line and a freaking seagull.

1016
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You know, there was like shrimp
bait on the line and a seagull

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nabbed. We're talking out in the
ocean too, on a boat. The

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seagull nabbed the bait, grabbed it
and got hooked or might have even been

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a pelican. And he had to
reel in this freaking bird and take the

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hook out of its bill and release
it. Talk about a crazy experience.

1021
01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:44.800
Ah, yeah, yeah, we're
just normal weird people fishing hunting. Well

1022
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.079
not anymore, but yeah, used
to Wow, what a great episode.

1023
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Thank you for coming on, Thanks
for having me. It was like all

1024
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.800
the stuff that I wish I could
get off my chest, honestly are things

1025
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.960
I couldn't talk about. So that's
why I was kind of like, I

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don't know what to say. Yeah, I know I can't say certain things.

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So anyway, I enjoyed it and
honeyed to be sure to check out

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bloodso Baby her TikTok and Emily Holloway
Voice. Yeah, Emily Holloway Voice on

1029
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:17.319
Instagram. And if you are aspiring
to be a singer or you know,

1030
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:24.439
if you just want to holistically heal
with the voice to you don't have to

1031
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.039
be be sure to check out her
program. I have personally seen it.

1032
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:36.159
It is incredibly insanely detailed and thorough. It is a very, very just

1033
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:40.720
thorough program. I mean I was
blown away when I saw it. So

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if you're interested in that, I
mean it would be helpful to her,

1035
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:47.199
you know, show her some support
and otherwise, thanks for listening, appreciate

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it. Love y'all, Love y'all, Thanks for being here, Love you,

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01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:56.760
love you Ready Yeah, bye guys, Bye guys. Weird things happen

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01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:10.359
in the backyard of bloodshow House over
the sin. It was so weird coming

1039
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closer to us player, stay this
straight up like smiring on the inside of

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it. No one knows mathing.
Wow, it's come for I've ever talked

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their God solid k ain't happen then? And nature at a nation nation