WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:32.240 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.560 we have a great guest tonight, Melissa Tittle. She has been well, 3 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.439 what a media background she has. She's been involved in all kinds of things 4 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:45.960 and I'm really glad to have her on this evening. I saw her on 5 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:51.640 with my friend Ben Hansen on a show or two, and I thought she 6 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.079 would make a great guest, and so Ben connected me, and thank you 7 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.679 Ben for that. A couple of announcements, few behind the scene things. 8 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.280 First of all, we may be able to take phone calls. I'm not 9 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.439 sure if we're going to be able to do this tonight, but with the 10 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:11.799 new producer in Utah for KGr A Radio, we have a phone system there 11 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.239 which I just discovered today, so I'm pretty excited about that. Our blog 12 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:21.920 this week is part two the costword UFO incident. Now that took place in 13 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.400 back in March of nineteen ninety three and England and it's a real fascinating case. 14 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:33.040 Many police officers involved. This is a UFO incident that was repeated, 15 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:38.120 so it's a really interesting blog by Charles Lee or those get made into audio 16 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:44.599 blogs and they're up in our audio MP three's that go out on our podcast 17 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:51.200 and also as a YouTube as well. Speaking of YouTube, October fifteenth, 18 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:57.000 on this channel on YouTube, you will hear a new show that Bill kind 19 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.920 of put together at KGr A Radio. He saw some other people on different 20 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.959 shows and said, hey, why don't we do this show together once a 21 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.719 week. So October fifteenth on exclusively on this YouTube channel, KGr Ace, 22 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:21.479 UAP Crossfire, Christ Purno, Commander Cobra. Let's see who else we have? 23 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.719 Oh yes, Don Ecker, the one and only Don Ecker. He's 24 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:30.080 been around the UFO topics since the eighties and he's a real character, and 25 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:38.840 so also myself and we did a run yesterday pre record yesterday just to see 26 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:40.879 how things would go and it was a blast. So I think you'll enjoy 27 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:46.719 that. That's going to be on this YouTube channel on the fifteenth of October. 28 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.639 So another thing, I'll be up at Shag Harbor. I'm going to 29 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.159 be doing a talk up at Shag Harbor in Nova Scotia and that's this coming 30 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:59.439 Sunday. And if you just happened, we do have some listeners up there, 31 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.039 so if you happen to be there, please say hi. That'll be 32 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:06.400 a lot of fun, and I'm going to meet my friend Dean Alioto. 33 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.240 He's going to be up there as well, Nick Pope and a few others. 34 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:15.080 Chris Styles, who I really appreciate and respect, a great UFO researcher. 35 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.400 He's kind of helped put this thing together. And it's the anniversary of 36 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.919 the Shag Harbor event and so that should be interesting. Well, without further 37 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.680 ado, I'd like to bring in my guest, Melissa. Welcome to the 38 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.919 show. Melissa, Hi, thank you for having me. Yes, thank 39 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.240 you for being here. Now, Melissa, you have You've been doing all 40 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.000 kinds of things in the film industry going back a while. You have your 41 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.319 own company basically now, right, Yeah, I do. I know, 42 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:49.879 it's I always I kind of forget. That's kind of good to do these 43 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.080 podcasts because people bring up shows I totally forgot about. Yeah. So I've 44 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:58.360 done a lot of mainstream shows and at one point I was head of content 45 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:02.439 for Guya. I produced him, wrote the first five seasons of Ancient Aliens, 46 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:08.439 Hanger one, some other stuff, and then yeah, now I have 47 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.400 my own company, so I can do more of this content the way I 48 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.279 want to. Ah. Right, Yeah, that's the thing to have control. 49 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:19.560 That's because once you know, when you work with a lot of people, 50 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:25.199 you can things can go not the way you may want. You think 51 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.000 that should be the best way to do it, But when it's your own 52 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.879 baby, you get all the responsibilities, but you get the perks to it 53 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.639 as well. That is so true. That is so true. And that's 54 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:39.600 one thing that Ben and I from UFO Witness we always talk about is that 55 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.319 you know, in some of these shows, even the ones we're on, 56 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.639 you don't necessarily have as much control as it looks like you do. And 57 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.959 especially I think in this field, there's people that really know a lot about 58 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.040 the field, and then there's people that are really good at producing. Those 59 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:01.319 are two separate kinds of people, you know. I feel like with my 60 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.240 company, I really want to I want to merge both of those concepts together 61 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.319 so that we can get content out there that reaches people and really does the 62 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:13.920 job of good journalism. That's right, I mean, that's great, That's 63 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:15.759 really great. And you have Code twelve. We want to talk a little 64 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.240 bit about that. What is that about. I tried to watch it, 65 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:24.319 you can't. It's not streaming yet. Where you're going yet? Yeah, 66 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.639 a couple of months, probably Amazon nice, I will definitely promote it. 67 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.560 So I'm sorry everybody listening, but but I hope tune in for a couple 68 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.360 of months. You can also check my website ww dot hath or studios dot 69 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.279 com or Code twelve the movie, and there's definitely an air date that we'll 70 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.959 go up there as soon as we have one. But Code twelve there's there's 71 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.600 not really aliens involved per se. It is, how I know, disappointing, 72 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.240 but it is a theory of mind and something I've been working on for 73 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:58.079 quite some time and say about ten years plush, and it's really about the 74 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.959 simulation theory, and aliens do play a part in that because if we are 75 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:06.879 simulated, then the idea of alien beans would be simulated within our universe and 76 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:13.000 existence. So's it's kind of a bigger deep dive on a code I discovered 77 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:17.319 not only ancient texts, but also everything that surrounds us. There's a lot 78 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:23.639 of I've heard that very over the simulation theory many times over the years, 79 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:29.639 and you know, sometimes you know, it does everything does seem like so 80 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.720 mysterious, you know, it almost like that could be an answer to how 81 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.959 all these things are happening that we can't explain, you know, I mean 82 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.600 so many unusual things. Plus I really feel like we know very little. 83 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:45.279 You know, we think we know a lot, but I feel as though 84 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.120 we know very little of actually what's going on. I would agree with you, 85 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.759 and I think the more we learn about the universe, the more we 86 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:55.759 can figure out. You know, we're going to talk about aliens on this 87 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.480 podcast, but the more we can figure out what is visiting us and these 88 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.519 experiences people are having, we just we have just such a limited knowledge of 89 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.120 how things really work in the universe. And quantum physicists will tell you that. 90 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:11.079 You know, every day there's a new article or a new discovery that 91 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.800 scientists have discovered that doesn't really make mainstream and that's just the science field of 92 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.040 how these different things that they're figuring out how the universe works. So we're 93 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.360 barely scratching the service. The more we understand that, I think we're going 94 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.839 to be able to figure out what's been happening to millions and millions of people 95 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:30.319 all over the world. Right Yeah, I know that the quantum physics and 96 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:36.199 the string theory and all that is just so mind boggling and entanglement and all 97 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.720 that. How entanglement works is just you know, beyond what you can imagine, 98 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.759 you know. And I wonder what I if Einstein was alive today, 99 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.160 what he would think about, you know, the discoveries when it comes to 100 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.079 you know, I mean he always thought, I forget what he called it, 101 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.639 spooky something at a distance he had at a distance, Yeah, yeah, 102 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.319 whatever the term was. But I bet he would be fast and aided 103 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.759 by the progress that has been made, you know, since then. That's 104 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.519 a very short time actually, when you think of it on the scale of 105 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:13.160 things, Now, what initially got you interested in? Kind of the esoteric? 106 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.680 I guess i'd put it that way to begin with. I think everything's 107 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.680 kind of woven together. I think once you start deep diving in one area, 108 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.279 you realize that there's all these other areas and they kind of coincide at 109 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.319 the same time. Right, So, if you're focused on aliens, if 110 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.560 you really really want to get to the bottom of it, all of a 111 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.000 sudden you start opening other doors. Right then you're watching ancient aliens, and 112 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.120 then you're diving into you know, the Anaki, and then all of a 113 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.320 sudden you find symbols from you know, England, and then you're like, 114 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.080 oh my god, you know, and then it unravels in some weird way. 115 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.559 So you could just keep going into a rabbit hole. But I think 116 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:56.120 the esoteric is passed down knowledge from ancient times. I think that there was 117 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.799 definitely a point in our human history that we understood more of how the universe 118 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.080 worked, and something happened, right, there's many theories about this. There's 119 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:11.279 some kind of cataclysm, flood, meteorite hits the planet, but something happened. 120 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.120 We kind of went back in time as far as our knowledge that we 121 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.919 understood how things worked. And there's lots of people who talk about this, 122 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.000 so it's not my theory, but I think that there was a loss knowledge 123 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.919 and it doesn't have to be Atlantis per se, but it can't. It's 124 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.320 this idea of how the universe works, and I think that's what the esoteric 125 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.200 represents, kind of a pass down lineage of people who held that knowledge and 126 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.279 then it got translated into other books and symbols so that we could figure it 127 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.000 out. I mean, there's people that know what that means, but that's 128 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.320 not like a mass populous understanding, you know, a lot of times when 129 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.440 we always compare to ourselves like we always throughout time, we always thought we 130 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:00.159 were on the pinnacle of all knowledge. And you know, but when you 131 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:05.799 dig back into ancient times, the people were brilliant then, you know, 132 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.320 and learned and there was there were so many things that you know, like 133 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.159 you say, when they find this, I'm trying to remember what it's called. 134 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.320 That instrument that they found that was I believe ten ten thousand years old 135 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:24.440 or something like that mechanical instrument that they found embedded not the it's it's oh 136 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.000 my god, what is it called? Now? They yeah, they found 137 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.399 it, and nobody can actually report on it because one guy's locked up all 138 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.720 the information. It's the turning like the sun dial thing, right. Yeah, 139 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.480 what it might calculate, what it might actually calculate is whatever it was, 140 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.840 it was brilliant. And you know, I mean there has there's always 141 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.440 been I think once our brains developed, I think there's been brilliant people, 142 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.240 you know, doing amazing things over the years. And you know, I 143 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.480 mean brain surgery and the Roman times, you know, I mean things like 144 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:01.120 that, you know, and and yeah, I know, but but anyway, 145 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.120 I think it might some kind of neurallinks situation going on in the Roman 146 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.799 Times. True, yeah, yeah, Now have you yourself ever had any 147 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:16.000 type of UFO sighting? No, isn't that weird? It's so odd? 148 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.320 No, No, it's not at all. It's a matter of fact. 149 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.000 There there's a lot of people that have an interest in this topic. You 150 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.039 know, Stanton Friedman never had a UFO sighting, and you know, ever 151 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.960 know, Nope, never had one. And you know, Stephen bassetaid there's 152 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.240 a bunch of them, a bunch of people who did. And then there's 153 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.480 a few out there that claim they've had one after they said they didn't have 154 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.720 one, you know, I mean, so I mean trying to trying to 155 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.080 puff up their background somehow. I don't know if that's what that's about. 156 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.159 But still, you know, it's not not necessarily at all to have a 157 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.919 curiosity of it. I think I before I actually had a sighting in two 158 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.919 thousand and seven, but before then I had like a passing curiosity in the 159 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.159 whole in the whole time topic. I mean, I used to always believe 160 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.759 that, you know, it would be kind of impossible for us to be 161 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:11.279 alone, and you know, I'm still feeling that way but the one thing 162 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.039 I got to tell you after I've done this show since while it's coming up 163 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.960 on twelve years now, and I feel like I know less, uh you 164 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.639 know about the topic then when I started. You know, basically I don't 165 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.480 know anymore. It's what I should say. Maybe not less, but yeah, 166 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.240 I would agree. Yeah, I mean, it's it's such a mystery. 167 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.720 And you know, I just was talking about in the monologue before I 168 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:41.440 started, about doing this UAP crossfire thing with these three other guys. It's 169 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.960 a lot of fun. And you know, basically one of the questions came 170 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:54.320 up was does the government actually know? I do believe that there's some part 171 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.960 of our government that knows a lot, but I don't know if they know 172 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.480 the whole picture. That's that's how I feel about it. I may be 173 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.559 wrong, you know, maybe they do no more or maybe they know less 174 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.720 than that, but anyway, yeah, I would agree with you. I 175 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:15.360 think that we can't just paint one group of people or profession by knowing everything, 176 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.519 because there's if there really was the secret, not everybody wouldn't know it 177 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.960 in an organization. And I think that's true. Yeah, yep. And 178 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:28.799 it's a way also the way things are, there's the need to know thing 179 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:35.879 and how they can compartmentalize things, and how they also can put things off 180 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:41.279 into like a private entity with no government oversight. So I think that's kind 181 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.200 of what's happened along the way, and then it's you know, generationally passed 182 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.159 down to whoever you know there was. I don't know if you've ever heard 183 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.159 about that. I forget the guy's name, Chase. I want to say, 184 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.519 Chase Brandon, who supposedly had uf found a box name with a Roswell 185 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.759 on it when he was just working for the government somehow. I don't know 186 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.360 if you ever heard that story. I got I have never heard this story. 187 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.519 How could I've never heard the story? But he found a box? 188 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:11.840 Oh this is such a movie. I love it. It just it just 189 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:18.279 says Roswell confidential, like in Red pen Shackle the box you know, yeah, 190 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:24.000 some dead alien bodies in there. Yeah, so you know, I 191 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.360 mean there's still like, you know, Roswell. You know, there's still 192 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.759 such controversy about Roswell. And I don't know what to think about Roswell. 193 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.120 There are some that have looked at it a long time, And is that 194 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:43.759 something you've ever looked into at all and what too. I didn't deep dive 195 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.360 into it like some people have made it their life's passion to really figure out 196 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:52.080 what happened at Roswell. And we to thank those people because they've done all 197 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.360 the legwork I think to kind of connect the dots or how many dots we 198 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.840 know now? But but I think like one of the things that I always 199 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.799 get this question, and sometimes that the question this question comes to me to 200 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.679 people who like don't believe in aliens, and they're like, well, how 201 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.639 do you know if somebody's telling the truth or not? And I said, 202 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.759 and I always tell them in every story, no matter how crazy it is 203 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.679 or how much I don't want to trust this person because of some demeanor they 204 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.120 have that you know, I'm picking up. As a journalist, there's always 205 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.480 a grain of truth in the story. What that grain of truth is is 206 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.600 your job as a journalist to figure out at a neutral level, and sometimes 207 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:35.960 figuring out what that truth is isn't necessarily figuring out if if the alien part 208 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.120 of the story is real, what made what part of the story of what 209 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.279 they're telling has relevancy? And once you can go from there, then you 210 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.519 can figure out the truth of the story, and I think something definitely happened 211 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.080 at Roswell, And I think that one hundred percent people that aren't into Aliens 212 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.960 would tell you something happened at Roswell. What that is is up for debate. 213 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.399 I personally don't think it was a weather balloon, but I do think 214 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.799 something happened, and whether that was a top secret project or it was Aliens, 215 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:11.200 something happened and it is still being kept under wraps. Yeah, you 216 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.799 know. I mentioned Stanton Freeman just a minute ago, and he used to 217 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.120 say that he was on the show at least a dozen times. He was 218 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:23.679 such a great guy. He used to say that the government lied five times 219 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.279 about Roswell, and that he could prove that they lied five times about Roswell. 220 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.720 But but whether it had to do with some you know, secret military 221 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.399 situation or whatever, you know, that's that's up for debate. One of 222 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:45.320 the shows that I've had recently that I was really happy to do was with 223 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:49.120 someone that was very, very stressed when I interviewed him, and I wasn't 224 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.240 prepared for it at all because I had many many conversations with him. His 225 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.240 name is Jonathan Wigan, who was on this show a few weeks ago, 226 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:02.679 and it was about a Peruvian sit and it was only the second time a 227 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.720 crash that he happened upon when he was in the Marines. It's only the 228 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.119 second time he's ever talked about it. And you know, when he got 229 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.119 up in front of the when I turned the lights on, he said, 230 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.839 move the lights away, you know, like he felt like it was being 231 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.480 interrogated. So I had it's a little bit of a dark room that he's 232 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:29.519 in. But anyway, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he 233 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.119 was telling the truth through that whole thing. And it's a spectacular story. 234 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.200 Is it the is it what's happening in Peru right now? With the face 235 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:45.480 It's totally totally unrelated. Happened in nineteen ninety seven, but it is something 236 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.680 that he you know, I've tried to hook him up to like you should, 237 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.960 you know, tried this whistleblower thing. You know. Really he says 238 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.920 he does not trust the government. He does not want to talk to anyone 239 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 about it. He had journalists that wanted they were getting a hold of meat, 240 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.240 that wanted to talk to him write a story. Nope, I don't 241 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:10.480 I don't trust journalists say twist stories. It was like and they said journalist 242 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.519 interviewing. Yeah, yeah, well it was it was I thought, you 243 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.480 know, he kind of clammed up during the interview. Was really tough. 244 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:22.200 I wasn't prepared for it, but but it was still. What I'm getting 245 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.799 at is, you know you mentioned about the truth there. I don't have 246 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.640 a single doubt that he was telling the truth the whole time and it and 247 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.240 it pained him and you could see it. Yeah, you know, he 248 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:38.240 did not want to talk about it. Yeah. So so anyway, what 249 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.680 are some of the cases that you've actually looked into when it comes to the 250 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:49.400 UFO world. Let's see. I you know, I haven't spent a lot 251 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.559 of times with the famous ones. I mean a lot of the stuff is 252 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.279 good. Yeah, I know, I was like, you know what, 253 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:02.599 I like the other ones, they're good. Yeah. I think a lot 254 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:07.400 of the UFO witness ones were definitely a combination of Ben and I of our 255 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:15.279 interests on on certain subjects, and you know, I it's crazy, I 256 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.880 think I always wanted to cover skin Walker Ranch. But after Ben and I 257 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.680 spent all this time at this this ranch that was supposed to be similar activity 258 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:30.079 to skinwalker in Arkansas. Oh I heard about that. Yeah, he probably 259 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.720 talked about Oh yeah, it was it's it's it was his contact. He 260 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.400 had been working for a really, really long time and they had never let 261 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.680 anybody on their property. But they were having all of this kind of i'll 262 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:45.640 just say skin walker ranch type activity. You know, everything cryptids, uh, 263 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:49.880 ghosts, demons, aliens, you know, like everything just kind of 264 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:55.839 coming through. And after spending all that time out there, I was like, 265 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:02.519 maybe I switched my focus to other cases, you know, because it's 266 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.240 it's totally on the body. And then and then I don't know if you've 267 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:11.519 ever read Hitchhikers in the Pentagon, but like that's all about so oh yes, 268 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.640 I think I had that person on the show who who wrote that. 269 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:22.960 Well, there's there's two two soldiers Special Forces guys, and then George Knapp 270 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.559 and the other guy that I cannot remember his name. But I don't think 271 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.440 the Special Forces guys have come out unless they've come out recently. They're they're 272 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:34.720 kind of nicknamed in the book to to keep their identity, but they but 273 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.079 one of the things that they talk about, and I'll get to the point 274 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.880 of why I'm saying what I'm saying is that they they reported bringing bringing back 275 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:48.279 entities that then haunted their family and attached themselves to their lives and the people 276 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.039 that they loved, and it took a really long time for them to get 277 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.319 rid of them. So some of the things that I feel in some of 278 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:00.640 these places, that effect does happen, and so you just have to be 279 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:07.400 really careful. I think for me, the investigation part of the kind of 280 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:14.640 cases where humans not just places that are just completely have some kind of crazy 281 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:19.400 vortex energy like Skinwalker Ranch, but places where people have multiple people have experienced 282 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:29.839 c NEUFO, being abducted, having conversations whether subconsciously or consciously, with other 283 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 entities. Those are the places. Those are the places that I like going 284 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.279 to because I really want to figure out is it the location, is it 285 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:41.279 the people some kind of genetic code, or is it in the right place 286 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.400 at the right time somehow passing through because I think that those create patterns in 287 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.640 the data that's been collective for the last fifty sixty years of why they're coming 288 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.599 here and how they're coming here, and so those are the kind of things 289 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.240 that I'm more interested, even if it's a smaller story. As long as 290 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:02.960 there's multiple stories, multiple people have somewhat of the same experience, that to 291 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.400 me creates more of a data pattern than just on one off. Well, 292 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.880 I'll tell you that that whole hitchhiker thing is kind of scary to me, 293 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.039 and I've heard a lot of people talking about it. I don't want to 294 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:21.079 bring people, you know, living people in flesh and blood are are enough 295 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:26.480 work, Like bringing something home in another dimension. Is it's like another you 296 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.119 know, cherry on top of all that. Yeah, yeah, well you 297 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.880 don't want to deal with Yeah, I know that. When I spoke to 298 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.279 you know, the Brandon Fugel and the others at you know, the skin 299 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.200 Walker mansion, they say that that happens there as well, that some people 300 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:48.279 have left and brought things with them. And yeah, and so I had 301 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.160 thought about I had an invitation to go there and and but I had to 302 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.640 share it up with the agency and all that that does, the all the 303 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.400 press work for them, and it had go around their filming and all that 304 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:06.880 type of stuff. But I still think I probably go. My producer and 305 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.200 I would probably still go if we had the chance. I think I think 306 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:14.960 I'd chance it. Yeah, because a lot of people go there and you 307 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.559 know, you don't hear about it too much, but it does. I 308 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.160 mean, I think there is something to that. I mean, enough people 309 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.880 talk about it. M I agree, Yeah, that was definitely there, 310 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:27.960 I think. But it's not just that location. Skin Walk around skin Walk 311 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.680 a ranch obviously has been written about and there's a lot of case studies done 312 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:36.960 about it, but there's lots of other people that have similar you know, 313 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.880 even if there's places that are harmless, you know, seemingly harmless, like 314 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.400 Sedona. Right, there's tons of alien activity out there, There's tons of 315 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.599 weird spirit stuff and more tech stuff and missing time, but people report stuff 316 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.000 happening to them afterwards, whether it's good or bad. So I think it's 317 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:59.039 in this field. That's one thing I've become really sensitive to that that in 318 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:04.440 the world of investor instigation, who's deciding what thoughts are coming into my head 319 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.559 and being really clear and staying really neutral, not trying to believe anything too 320 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.680 much? And then what am I bringing home? You know, Uh, 321 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.359 this is a totally different kind of work bringing Bringing your work home with you 322 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:22.119 is another level. Yeah right, yeah, Now speculative, I'm asking to 323 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.640 you to speculate here, and I've I've asked this of a number of people 324 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:33.119 over the years. Why would you think there are places like skin Walker Rancher 325 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.640 or hot spots in general? You know, maybe perhaps there's a lot of 326 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:44.480 Bigfoot sightings in Pennsylvania and the area. Maybe there's a lot of UFOs in 327 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.880 this area. And they repeated the same UFO comes over and over again. 328 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.519 I mean, it's so bizarre, and I'm just wondering your speculation of why 329 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.799 do you think there's these spots and areas that people can go to and actually 330 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:04.440 see something happen. Well, I think spots like this of existence since the 331 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:10.160 beginning of humanity. And we know that because we keep finding stone circles and 332 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.880 markings that are older and older and older, and those spots are always in 333 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:19.279 places where there's some kind of energy there. No, I'm not saying Stonehenge 334 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:25.000 is filled with bigfoots and and you know, cryptids and all sorts of stuff, 335 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.000 but there is some energy there. So humans have been marking spots with 336 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:32.960 energy, whether it's negative or positive, and so that leads me to believe 337 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.240 I mean, of course this gets into some realms of pseudoscience, but that 338 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.960 there are pseudoscience only to people who who are really strict on what science is. 339 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.119 But there are nodes on the planet that is something we do know. 340 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:53.519 And in those structures or nodes around the planet, there are different lay lines 341 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.640 and to lyric lines that cross over each other. So the theory is that 342 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:02.359 whim to lyric lines, which are circle underneath the earth, and the lay 343 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.720 lines that are on top come together, then there's some kind of portal that 344 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:11.200 opens and portal of courses a pseudoscience form. But I believe there's a lot 345 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:21.640 of validility to that because since ancient times, the same places have had alien 346 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:27.319 activity, weird creatures, ghosts, ancestors, all that kind of stuff. 347 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:33.759 So I really think that there's places on this Earth that time and dimensions are 348 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.880 very thin, and things can cross through and I don't even think they're intentional 349 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.119 sometimes. I mean, if you're walking in your backyard and you didn't know 350 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.319 that there was a thinning of dimensions and you were just walking to the end 351 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:47.920 of your backyard and somehow you ended up somewhere else. I mean, sometimes 352 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.759 that's how I feel about the whole big Foot sightings, that they're like crossing 353 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:57.119 over into our dimension and then crossing back over and because crossing back over into 354 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:02.160 whatever dimension they are, and or or even alien sightings. Right, So 355 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.160 I think I think that that word has a lot of stigmatism in our in 356 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.319 our in our practice. You know, when you say the word portal, 357 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.200 it's a negative thing, like you believe in all of this hoopla. But 358 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.799 but there's no other way to explain it. There's some kind of energy field, 359 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.359 some kind of thinning of the dimensions of time and space that seemed to 360 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.640 be happening, and they're happening for thousands of years. So that kind of 361 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.799 makes the most sense in explaining what could be happening in these places. Also, 362 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.039 I'll put one more thing into that. I'll put one more thing into 363 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.160 the tulyric line lay line situation. Is that a lot of some of these 364 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.920 places, it's the geology makeup of the rock and the minerals that somehow holds 365 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.920 some kind of frequency or power. Also running water underneath the earth. So 366 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:56.599 if you have a mixture of certain minerals, quartz or any copper or silver, 367 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.480 you know, any kind of anything could be laid in the rock, 368 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.079 and then you have running water underneath, you've already created some kind of vortexal 369 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.880 energy. Whether you believe in portals or not, the energy in that location 370 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.960 has changed. So that's a that's also a good indication when you got when 371 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.200 I go to some of these places, I do ask or I do read 372 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.000 about, like what's up? What's up with the actual land below me? 373 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:22.480 Is there something unique mineral property that these things could be happening because of Yeah, 374 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.759 there's a lot of speculation that goes along with the geology. Like you 375 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.880 mentioned Brown Mountain, a lot of things happen there, and that's the high 376 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.039 copper content there seems. Copper seems to be something you hear about a lot, 377 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:42.000 which I think is pretty interesting. And as far as the big Foot 378 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:49.119 being interdimensional, you know, it's possible because it seems like it would certainly 379 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.480 answer a lot of the things that can't be answered of the showing up and 380 00:28:53.799 --> 00:29:00.160 going away and the never seeing any signs of you know, skeletals remains or 381 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:06.640 anything like that. You know, I mean, who knows? You know, 382 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.880 you get you watch the Patterson Gimblet I think that's what it's called film, 383 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:17.079 and they dissected that thing all the way through and steadied it and looked 384 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.359 at the anatomy, and it looks it does not look human, you know, 385 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.279 it doesn't look like someone in a costume. So I think that's you 386 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.559 know, it seems like when we had that film all the way back in 387 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.319 the nineteen sixties that there should be something better by now, you would think. 388 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:38.240 So with all the people that claim they see Bigfoot, yeah, yeah, 389 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:44.440 that's just another so but you know, here's the thing. I don't 390 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.200 know. There's not a lot of places on the Earth that are completely unpopulated. 391 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.640 I mean, there's definitely wooded areas in the United States that are thicker 392 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.200 and have more coverage, but they're not completely off the grid. You know, 393 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:03.119 there's a couple of places, but not that many. So they couldn't 394 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.279 necessarily I feel like they couldn't necessarily like live without being undetected completely unless they 395 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:14.839 could go in between time and space. But now we're speculating, well yeah, 396 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.680 but you know, well I just scree a little bit with you. 397 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:25.720 I've done a lot of flying and over unpopulated areas in the United States and 398 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.640 this seems to be quite a bit. But and there was also I don't 399 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.319 know if you ever heard about this. This is really a spectacular thing. 400 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.960 A guy left Massachusetts. He went up by the Allagash and Main, which 401 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.279 is, you know, lots and lots of woods and lakes and things like 402 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.200 that. He lived over twenty years without being detected and like a hermit, 403 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.039 you know, type of situation before he finally came out of the woods. 404 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.839 So I think people can if they want to stay, or animals or whatever, 405 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.759 they could. But you know, there's always hunters. There's always some 406 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:03.559 way someone could come across something. Here's a question. I don't believe the 407 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.119 spelling is right, but what exactly is a lay line? Someone wants to 408 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.359 know. So lay line is a straight is a straight, energetic point that 409 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:21.400 kind of connects two nodes. So if you if you can imagine, try 410 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:26.960 to explain. So, uh, a lay line is an energetic structure on 411 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.640 the surface of the ground. So it has nothing to do with water. 412 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:37.279 It's a it's an energetic point that connects another point. We have them all 413 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.559 over any any structure. Even you're in your land, if you have two 414 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.200 acres, you'll have like a bunch of lay lines that connect points to Lyric 415 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.039 lines are the circular ones run by water underneath the ground. So these are 416 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:53.319 just kind of lay lines are strong energetic currents that are picked up by certain 417 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:59.319 devices that are straight and they run right across from point A to point B 418 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.279 wherever that may be. That's what a la line is on the surface of 419 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.519 the ground. M m m okay. So when you were with Ben, 420 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.359 Now I watched some of the shows and that you and Ben did, But 421 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.440 what do you think was besides that Arkansas case, what were some of the 422 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:22.680 ones that really stood out to you that you you two investigated. So when 423 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:29.359 we were in Idaho in Oh my god, I'm going to murder the name 424 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:35.759 of that lake. It's like I can see the spelling in my in my 425 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:43.440 head, but it's it's French. It's uh okay, well, I'll think 426 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.680 about tell the story. But it's a very, it's a very. It's 427 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.640 one of I think it's the seventh deepest lake in the United States and they 428 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.240 have a lot of UFO activity. I literally want to call it Lake Ponderosa, 429 00:32:54.319 --> 00:33:00.440 but that is not what it's called. It's like I'm just about in 430 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.680 my head. I had never been up there, and and the people we 431 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.839 interviewed were it was so unique because they had they definitely had like a native 432 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.480 here we here again, we have thousands of years of Native American stories of 433 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:17.440 of entities or they, you know, they they would call them, you 434 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.279 know, they had them marked as bears, you know, so that they 435 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.839 would have the stories of bears and coming to humans and you know that kind 436 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.160 of thing. But they marked all over the lake certain spots that were really 437 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.839 important. Now, I now there's two parts of this story. I think 438 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.880 that the Native Americans were marking really important parts of their heritage. But there 439 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.880 was also stories of weird things that would happen in the sky. So then 440 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:50.480 we started interviewing modern day stories. And there were submersible uh, alien vehicles 441 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.680 that would that would fly across the sky and then drop slowly into the water 442 00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.480 like we have seen with some of those Navy videos. Then there was all 443 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:07.680 sorts of like lights in the sky. One woman had kind of an abduction 444 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.320 experience where she was seen all those lights in the sky for several months. 445 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.199 She'd be driving home and she felt like she was being followed and then they 446 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.239 tried to get they has she had an experience where the little grays came into 447 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.119 her room and then they tried to take her out of bed, but somehow 448 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.599 she escaped. It didn't happen. There's just so much stuff happening in this 449 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.840 tiny little town in Idaho that surrounds this lake. Now the lake itself, 450 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:43.000 the lake itself is really unique because the Navy actually has a testing ground there 451 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.280 for sub marines because it's so deep, and they're said to be all these 452 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:52.000 caverns that connect to other big lakes in Idaho and over the border. So 453 00:34:52.119 --> 00:35:00.119 you would get into all of this underground kind of underground alien situation. It's 454 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.400 kind of cool. Hmm. Wow, And what do you have a couple 455 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.400 of other ones that? And did you did you stay primarily in this country? 456 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.360 You didn't go overseas right now? God, we wanted to. There's 457 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.519 so many cool things overseas. There's just there, you know, producers. 458 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.119 Uh, yeah, there's just too much to see. Yeah. We also 459 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:29.840 did this ranch in uh, Colorado where there was cow mutilations. That place 460 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.760 was super spooky. It uh we actually had all of our equipment going off 461 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:40.159 the charts completely and and then it got really rhythmic. It was every thirteen 462 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.199 seconds like it would just pop one, wow, three, four, but 463 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:51.960 stop thirteen seconds and then it'll start again. It was it was it was 464 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.679 crazy. And the owner of the property said that, Okay, so there's 465 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.039 it's I think it's like five hundred acres or something like that, and what 466 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.400 divides the properaty, So he's got cows on both side of a road, 467 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.119 like a pretty decent size highway, not major, but pretty decent size highway. 468 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.119 And he said that, like and I could feel it because this whole 469 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.199 area just there's just energy like surging through and we were in there like midnight 470 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.000 or something. He said that there would be cows that would be flipped upside 471 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.639 down that would be in this highway, and people would get in crashes, 472 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.000 like their cars would be flipped. So some kind of energy seems to be 473 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.599 running through this property kind of in a destructive way, whether it's his cattle 474 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.960 or just people driving and their cars are flipped over while they're driving. It's 475 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.440 pretty insane. Yeah, that was that was an interesting case. Wow, 476 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.960 that's amazing. And what was this? Uh what side of the Rockies was 477 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:53.320 this in Colorado? Was it the western side or eastern side? Oh? 478 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:59.039 Yes, okay, right right, yeah, boy, I lived there, 479 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.480 you know, back in the seventies and not Colorado Springs, but in uh, 480 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.320 you know, up toward Boulder in uh, you know, back before 481 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.960 I was interested in the UFOs, but I saw a pretty good media right 482 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.519 out there. It was the first one I saw in my life, and 483 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:19.400 it was scared back out of me. But in Colorado, Yeah, in 484 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.320 Colorado, I lived there years. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going 485 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.199 on out there that is for sure yet too. Yeah, So I'm going 486 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.679 to I'm going to try the phone. We haven't had access to the phone 487 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:37.880 forever because working with Bill, I have working with the channel Chanel right now 488 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.679 over at KGr A Radio, she will be answering the phone and I'd like 489 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.920 to pop that number up here if anyone would like to call in for our 490 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:50.480 guests and if the KGr A call in numbers eight five five four seven two 491 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.920 five four eight three. And I think it's been well over a year since 492 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.079 the phone system fried in New York with Bill, so I'd love to have 493 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:05.400 someone call in and that number and shann Ala standing by at kg r A 494 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.159 Radio, so that'll be fun to actually have a call. And it's been 495 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.639 a while, like I said, and I used to do call in shows 496 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.480 here and a lot of people really participated. So now that have this access. 497 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.400 I might do that. Yeah, especially if my guests doesn't show up, 498 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.559 I'll do a call in show that can happen. Yeah yeah, So, 499 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.840 uh, that is bizarre. I didn't realize that you did other things 500 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:34.079 like the catle mutilations, and that's such a you know, Chris O'Brien is 501 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.719 a friend of mine. He's he has written the uh the probably one of 502 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.960 the best books on the subject of cattle mutilations. He's still getting calls all 503 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:50.599 over the country. So it hasn't led up any It's still happening a lot. 504 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.239 Yeah. Yeah, and it says did you actually see a mutilation? 505 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.440 Yes, there was a cow that that's what that's why we went out there. 506 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.280 We went on to kind of do some tests on the cow that was 507 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.760 found, and it was it didn't just happen. It was a very it 508 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.599 was it. You know, it was mostly bone, there was some skin 509 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:16.519 on it and stuff, but but it definitely was very odd and strange. 510 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:24.000 You know. There there are things that I've come across where my mind prepares 511 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.719 me for it, like, okay, you know, but I'm here to 512 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.840 look at it and come up with an assessment, right uh, and and 513 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.760 really take my emotions out of it. But there's a moment where you are 514 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:43.400 like, what is that? Like what like there's just no explanation. I 515 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.960 did a show for A and E and i' I don't know how they aired 516 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.639 this, but it was on the first forty eight hours of a murder and 517 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.280 it was on the it was on the side of the corner, the corner 518 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:59.599 trying to solve like what happened to this person? Right, which I mean 519 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.480 so if you think about it, we're filming dead bodies in a in a 520 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.320 corner and there's nothing that can really like prepare you for that except for you're 521 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.679 like, Okay, this is a show. Everybody's got to do their job. 522 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:15.079 Nothing's happening here right, so that you can get it done. But 523 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.679 you know, afterwards you think about that and you're like, what just happened? 524 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.480 But when I was there and you're looking at something that is mutilated in 525 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.639 such a way that your mind cannot wrap your head around why it happens, 526 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:34.480 there's a moment where you're like, what is this? You know, even 527 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.599 in a journalistic state, you're like, what is like what is this? 528 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:44.519 What has happened here? Like who did this? And how I didn't realize 529 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:50.920 that you reacted so quickly to like a situation that happened like this happened, 530 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.719 and you to jump on a plane and you go into Colorado to investigate that 531 00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.039 that's the whole thing, that whole Any type of situation like that that Ben 532 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.519 Hassan over the years sounds like a dream job to me, you know, 533 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.280 maybe take away from your family or whatever. But still, we actually have 534 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.440 someone on the line now, So Paul from Milford, Connecticut, welcome to 535 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.079 the show. Thank you for being the first caller in about I don't know, 536 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:25.719 maybe two years. Hi, Paul Martin, Yeah, how are you 537 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.599 Paul? Quick? I think I think the thing you were looking for before 538 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.239 was the anti Cathera mechanism from Greece. Yes, oh yes, yes, 539 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.840 the like it has all the dials and the calculations. Years. Yeah. 540 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:49.760 Solario and Melissa, would you wanted to the broadcast with talking about Maria the 541 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.679 Peruvian Yes. I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the mummies. 542 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.239 I'll think my answer off the air, but I'd love to hear more 543 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.400 about that. Yes, thank you, Pa, Thank you Paul. This 544 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.400 is such a hotly debated thing right now. So this is such a long 545 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.679 answer to a short question, so I'm trying to make it short just to 546 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:15.199 talk about Maria. So the bodies that were revealed in Mexico, they were 547 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:22.880 discovered back in twenty seventeen, and I worked on that case. Maria is 548 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.880 not one of those bodies that were brought up in that Mexican congressional hearing. 549 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:32.880 Maria is a was a body that was found alongside those smaller bodies that he 550 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.840 presented. So Maria, if she was standing up, would probably about five 551 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.679 to seven. She had an elongated skull, she had the three fingers and 552 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:50.679 the three toes. For the most part her human. Her body was mostly 553 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.880 human, her torso, but her head was definitely different, and then her 554 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:01.599 fingers and toes. She also had some strain your holes that like, she 555 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.599 didn't she didn't have the same mechanism of hearing that that that we do now. 556 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.480 Maria was really interested. This is is gonna be the whole podcast. 557 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.719 We can talk about these mummies. But Maria was really interesting to me because 558 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.199 we spent the most time on trying to figure out if somebody had manipulated the 559 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.840 body, uh and if they did, how did they do it? And 560 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:29.000 Number two if it wasn't manipulated, what was it? And there was lots 561 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:35.119 of genetic genetic testing done from different parts of the body, from different parts 562 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.840 of the hand, from different parts of the feet, from different parts of 563 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.079 all sorts of but there's still skin on the body. Uh, whatever it 564 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:51.480 was there, there she is and the white powder on the outside is Die 565 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.039 to Masis Earth. Now, die to Masis Earth you can find anywhere. 566 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.079 Can bout it at Walmart, people ingested for parasites. You can put it 567 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:02.360 out in your garden. But this certain makeup of Die to Masis Earth was 568 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:08.119 specifically traced to the NASCAR region where they apparently found the bodies. Now the 569 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.199 cave is up for debate. They later took us to the cave, but 570 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.639 I don't know if it's a right cave, you know, the whole A 571 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.719 lot of these people involved are pretty dodgy, So this is why this story 572 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:28.719 is such a mess. But but Maria's genetic material was really interesting, and 573 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.719 it took about a year for it to be gathered from a lab. There 574 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.920 was a lab in Canada that we were working with. There was a lab 575 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.000 in Mexico, and there was a lab in Russia. There was they were 576 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.639 all doing separate tests, uh, And we were asking one question, right, 577 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:45.800 so you can you really got to be we we when you were asking 578 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.360 one question, what you have to figure out where you're trying to get because 579 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.800 you have you only have center amount of material, And we wanted to know 580 00:44:52.000 --> 00:45:00.480 how much of this genetic material was of modern day human And it came back 581 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:07.079 twenty five percent match some kind of human DNA, but it didn't match anything 582 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.440 in the Human Genome Project. So either there's DNA that we haven't gathered. 583 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.800 Uh. And of course the Human Genome Project I don't think includes Neanderthal or 584 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.280 disobin or any of that. That's a whole different kind of DNA test, 585 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.840 So it could have been some of that, and it we also stripped it 586 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:30.440 of bacteria and mold in any non biological uh stuff. Right. So that 587 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.800 also takes a long time to kind of strip that away to kind of see 588 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.199 where we're at with the DNA markers. There was some I believe in the 589 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:46.079 Mexico DNA, there was some kind of bovine DNA included. But one of 590 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:51.280 the things that I can say, and I'm not here to say that they're 591 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.440 real or not, even though I was involved. I saw them, you 592 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.920 know, I got to touch them like I was. I went down there 593 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.199 several times. I had to deal with very dodgy characters h and people that 594 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.920 are not trustworthy, so that, you know, that makes the story into 595 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.199 some other, some other situation. But I can say that if somebody made 596 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:19.719 these bodies, because there's a level of cat scans and tomography that we did, 597 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.400 and we had specialists look at it and they couldn't figure out where the 598 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:28.840 cut marks were for them to create the fingers and the toes or even the 599 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.519 head for it to be elongated. If somebody created this, they I want 600 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.760 to know who they are, because they are masked. They are not some 601 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.280 some just worker in a factory making those little dolls that they're selling right now 602 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.840 in Peru that look like the ones that are in the Mexico Congressional hearing. 603 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.960 However they did this, it's it's masterful. They should. They should. 604 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.880 I don't know how they did it. There's lots of theories online. I've 605 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.079 researched most of them and I have not found a conclusion yet. I'm not 606 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.039 saying they're real. I'm saying who If somebody made these, they're pretty incredible. 607 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.960 Yeah, I'm not talking about this congression here, and I am only 608 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.519 speaking about Maria. Yeah, yeah, I put up this. Someone made 609 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:20.000 this great little video of the alien and at the Mexico Hearing Congressional Hearing that 610 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.199 it was they made a cake out of it. I don't know if you 611 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.840 saw that, Oh I did, I did. It looked delicious, I 612 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.199 know that was that was pretty funny. Yeah, you know, unfortunately, 613 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:36.199 there's some characters in this field that can cause a lot of problems. And 614 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.000 I'm going to just leave it at that because this is this is no need 615 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.519 to no need to speak anymore about that. But we do have another caller 616 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:49.760 on the line, and I'm looking. This is David from Oregon. David, 617 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:55.480 Welcome to the show. David, you're there, Yes, hi, 618 00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.920 David, Welcome to the show. We're here waiting for Melissa's here waiting for 619 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:12.559 your question, and I've got an speak it is right back. So it's 620 00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.119 okay, we're not getting a clear we're not getting I'm sorry, we're not 621 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:22.000 getting it all right? Could you repeat that real quickly. Let's see. 622 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.599 Yeah, I coming back to me. Oh god, I'm sorry, I'm 623 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.239 sorry, it's not it's not a good line. I'm sorry about that. 624 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:38.000 Sorry about that. I feel like you Mars or something. I think he 625 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:43.480 might have been, or the backside of the moon as they call it. 626 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:49.760 Maybe you can call into to KGr KGr A and give them this question. 627 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.480 They can tell us. Yeah, okay, I think we have it. 628 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.159 Looks like we have another one more caller? Is that right over there? 629 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.320 Oh? William? Well, I am known from my glitches. William. 630 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.639 We have William on the line. I don't know where he's from, I'll 631 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:15.079 say him, William, come and welcome to the show. Well, thank 632 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.559 you. Hi. I'm coming from open California. And the lake that Melissa 633 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.960 was talking about is called Lake pin or or Or I guess o'reley that so, 634 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:34.480 yeah, it's French though, uh hold on, hold on now I 635 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.760 have to google it, but I lit. All I want to say in 636 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:43.960 my head is Lake Ponderosa, And that's not It's Lake Okay, Idaho deepest 637 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.519 lake. Hold on, So, so, William do you have another? 638 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:59.840 Have you been there? I was wondering if has anyone considered that the uaph 639 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.360 quote threat may not be towards the everyday human being, but to the establish 640 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.760 establishment of governmental control over the people. I mean, who would pay taxes 641 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:15.239 if if we knew they couldn't protect us at all? Right, that's true, 642 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:21.440 Yeah, that's true. I mean, I think the conversation of aliens 643 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.920 being good or bad is is pretty debated right now. I try to stay 644 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.480 neutral in it because I don't think we're going to really find any answers if 645 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.199 we try to paint them as such. I know a lot of the mainstream 646 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:36.559 shows that I'm involved in really like to suggest that they're coming to hurt us, 647 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.559 and I do think that we should be aware of what their capabilities are. 648 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.039 I mean, even Michio Koku, who I interviewed, whose famous quantum 649 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:49.960 physicists, said, you know, they're dangerous because we as humans don't understand 650 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.599 how how they work and how they're able to function in the universe. I 651 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.920 mean, you know, I don't know if I can get on board with 652 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:06.400 the idea that they're coming to save us. But but they are seeming to 653 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.880 show power, right, They're seeming they The cases with the military are this, 654 00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.880 they're shutting down our nuclear power weapons. They're not blowing them up, 655 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.000 they're not using them on us. They're just saying we can do this, 656 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.199 right, so what are they trying to really show us? They're zipping past 657 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.880 our cameras and they're like, we look, you can see us. This 658 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.679 is what we're doing. This is what we're capable of. The question would 659 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:37.960 be why is it? Is it because they're the military is able to continue 660 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.960 that story or you know, I don't know. I just can't get on 661 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.840 board with the fact that they're they're doing it for nefarious for purposes completely. 662 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.880 I think that we as humans are becoming more conscious and aware of things, 663 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.039 and we are starting to wrap our head around beings existing in the universe, 664 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.840 and we are being able to see things that we never could see before. 665 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.199 And I don't think the government or the military can keep a cap on that. 666 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.800 I think that people are too interested, and so things are getting out 667 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.719 and they're trying to come up with stories for things, and I'm not sure 668 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.760 if if they can keep up with all the information that's right. I can't 669 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.800 believe how fast this hour went by. But thank you so much, Melissa. 670 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.360 It's been a real pleasure talking to you this evening. Okay, And 671 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.960 I'm oh, yeah, they went by fast. They are went by fast. 672 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.159 So I will put your information all in the show notes. Anyone can 673 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.760 find your website and all that. You can find all that information in the 674 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.760 show notes, and thank you so much. Okay, great, awesome, 675 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.360 Okay, take care now, all right, thank you, by all right 676 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.760 everyone. So we'll be back with Jim Quirk next week. See you at 677 00:52:47.800 --> 00:53:00.199 the same time, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.