Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have a great guest tonight, Melissa Tittle. She has been well,
what a media background she has. She's been involved in all kinds of things
and I'm really glad to have her on this evening. I saw her on
with my friend Ben Hansen on a show or two, and I thought she
would make a great guest, and so Ben connected me, and thank you
Ben for that. A couple of announcements, few behind the scene things.
First of all, we may be able to take phone calls. I'm not
sure if we're going to be able to do this tonight, but with the
new producer in Utah for KGr A Radio, we have a phone system there
which I just discovered today, so I'm pretty excited about that. Our blog
this week is part two the costword UFO incident. Now that took place in
back in March of nineteen ninety three and England and it's a real fascinating case.
Many police officers involved. This is a UFO incident that was repeated,
so it's a really interesting blog by Charles Lee or those get made into audio
blogs and they're up in our audio MP three's that go out on our podcast
and also as a YouTube as well. Speaking of YouTube, October fifteenth,
on this channel on YouTube, you will hear a new show that Bill kind
of put together at KGr A Radio. He saw some other people on different
shows and said, hey, why don't we do this show together once a
week. So October fifteenth on exclusively on this YouTube channel, KGr Ace,
UAP Crossfire, Christ Purno, Commander Cobra. Let's see who else we have?
Oh yes, Don Ecker, the one and only Don Ecker. He's
been around the UFO topics since the eighties and he's a real character, and
so also myself and we did a run yesterday pre record yesterday just to see
how things would go and it was a blast. So I think you'll enjoy
that. That's going to be on this YouTube channel on the fifteenth of October.
So another thing, I'll be up at Shag Harbor. I'm going to
be doing a talk up at Shag Harbor in Nova Scotia and that's this coming
Sunday. And if you just happened, we do have some listeners up there,
so if you happen to be there, please say hi. That'll be
a lot of fun, and I'm going to meet my friend Dean Alioto.
He's going to be up there as well, Nick Pope and a few others.
Chris Styles, who I really appreciate and respect, a great UFO researcher.
He's kind of helped put this thing together. And it's the anniversary of
the Shag Harbor event and so that should be interesting. Well, without further
ado, I'd like to bring in my guest, Melissa. Welcome to the
show. Melissa, Hi, thank you for having me. Yes, thank
you for being here. Now, Melissa, you have You've been doing all
kinds of things in the film industry going back a while. You have your
own company basically now, right, Yeah, I do. I know,
it's I always I kind of forget. That's kind of good to do these
podcasts because people bring up shows I totally forgot about. Yeah. So I've
done a lot of mainstream shows and at one point I was head of content
for Guya. I produced him, wrote the first five seasons of Ancient Aliens,
Hanger one, some other stuff, and then yeah, now I have
my own company, so I can do more of this content the way I
want to. Ah. Right, Yeah, that's the thing to have control.
That's because once you know, when you work with a lot of people,
you can things can go not the way you may want. You think
that should be the best way to do it, But when it's your own
baby, you get all the responsibilities, but you get the perks to it
as well. That is so true. That is so true. And that's
one thing that Ben and I from UFO Witness we always talk about is that
you know, in some of these shows, even the ones we're on,
you don't necessarily have as much control as it looks like you do. And
especially I think in this field, there's people that really know a lot about
the field, and then there's people that are really good at producing. Those
are two separate kinds of people, you know. I feel like with my
company, I really want to I want to merge both of those concepts together
so that we can get content out there that reaches people and really does the
job of good journalism. That's right, I mean, that's great, That's
really great. And you have Code twelve. We want to talk a little
bit about that. What is that about. I tried to watch it,
you can't. It's not streaming yet. Where you're going yet? Yeah,
a couple of months, probably Amazon nice, I will definitely promote it.
So I'm sorry everybody listening, but but I hope tune in for a couple
of months. You can also check my website ww dot hath or studios dot
com or Code twelve the movie, and there's definitely an air date that we'll
go up there as soon as we have one. But Code twelve there's there's
not really aliens involved per se. It is, how I know, disappointing,
but it is a theory of mind and something I've been working on for
quite some time and say about ten years plush, and it's really about the
simulation theory, and aliens do play a part in that because if we are
simulated, then the idea of alien beans would be simulated within our universe and
existence. So's it's kind of a bigger deep dive on a code I discovered
not only ancient texts, but also everything that surrounds us. There's a lot
of I've heard that very over the simulation theory many times over the years,
and you know, sometimes you know, it does everything does seem like so
mysterious, you know, it almost like that could be an answer to how
all these things are happening that we can't explain, you know, I mean
so many unusual things. Plus I really feel like we know very little.
You know, we think we know a lot, but I feel as though
we know very little of actually what's going on. I would agree with you,
and I think the more we learn about the universe, the more we
can figure out. You know, we're going to talk about aliens on this
podcast, but the more we can figure out what is visiting us and these
experiences people are having, we just we have just such a limited knowledge of
how things really work in the universe. And quantum physicists will tell you that.
You know, every day there's a new article or a new discovery that
scientists have discovered that doesn't really make mainstream and that's just the science field of
how these different things that they're figuring out how the universe works. So we're
barely scratching the service. The more we understand that, I think we're going
to be able to figure out what's been happening to millions and millions of people
all over the world. Right Yeah, I know that the quantum physics and
the string theory and all that is just so mind boggling and entanglement and all
that. How entanglement works is just you know, beyond what you can imagine,
you know. And I wonder what I if Einstein was alive today,
what he would think about, you know, the discoveries when it comes to
you know, I mean he always thought, I forget what he called it,
spooky something at a distance he had at a distance, Yeah, yeah,
whatever the term was. But I bet he would be fast and aided
by the progress that has been made, you know, since then. That's
a very short time actually, when you think of it on the scale of
things, Now, what initially got you interested in? Kind of the esoteric?
I guess i'd put it that way to begin with. I think everything's
kind of woven together. I think once you start deep diving in one area,
you realize that there's all these other areas and they kind of coincide at
the same time. Right, So, if you're focused on aliens, if
you really really want to get to the bottom of it, all of a
sudden you start opening other doors. Right then you're watching ancient aliens, and
then you're diving into you know, the Anaki, and then all of a
sudden you find symbols from you know, England, and then you're like,
oh my god, you know, and then it unravels in some weird way.
So you could just keep going into a rabbit hole. But I think
the esoteric is passed down knowledge from ancient times. I think that there was
definitely a point in our human history that we understood more of how the universe
worked, and something happened, right, there's many theories about this. There's
some kind of cataclysm, flood, meteorite hits the planet, but something happened.
We kind of went back in time as far as our knowledge that we
understood how things worked. And there's lots of people who talk about this,
so it's not my theory, but I think that there was a loss knowledge
and it doesn't have to be Atlantis per se, but it can't. It's
this idea of how the universe works, and I think that's what the esoteric
represents, kind of a pass down lineage of people who held that knowledge and
then it got translated into other books and symbols so that we could figure it
out. I mean, there's people that know what that means, but that's
not like a mass populous understanding, you know, a lot of times when
we always compare to ourselves like we always throughout time, we always thought we
were on the pinnacle of all knowledge. And you know, but when you
dig back into ancient times, the people were brilliant then, you know,
and learned and there was there were so many things that you know, like
you say, when they find this, I'm trying to remember what it's called.
That instrument that they found that was I believe ten ten thousand years old
or something like that mechanical instrument that they found embedded not the it's it's oh
my god, what is it called? Now? They yeah, they found
it, and nobody can actually report on it because one guy's locked up all
the information. It's the turning like the sun dial thing, right. Yeah,
what it might calculate, what it might actually calculate is whatever it was,
it was brilliant. And you know, I mean there has there's always
been I think once our brains developed, I think there's been brilliant people,
you know, doing amazing things over the years. And you know, I
mean brain surgery and the Roman times, you know, I mean things like
that, you know, and and yeah, I know, but but anyway,
I think it might some kind of neurallinks situation going on in the Roman
Times. True, yeah, yeah, Now have you yourself ever had any
type of UFO sighting? No, isn't that weird? It's so odd?
No, No, it's not at all. It's a matter of fact.
There there's a lot of people that have an interest in this topic. You
know, Stanton Friedman never had a UFO sighting, and you know, ever
know, Nope, never had one. And you know, Stephen bassetaid there's
a bunch of them, a bunch of people who did. And then there's
a few out there that claim they've had one after they said they didn't have
one, you know, I mean, so I mean trying to trying to
puff up their background somehow. I don't know if that's what that's about.
But still, you know, it's not not necessarily at all to have a
curiosity of it. I think I before I actually had a sighting in two
thousand and seven, but before then I had like a passing curiosity in the
whole in the whole time topic. I mean, I used to always believe
that, you know, it would be kind of impossible for us to be
alone, and you know, I'm still feeling that way but the one thing
I got to tell you after I've done this show since while it's coming up
on twelve years now, and I feel like I know less, uh you
know about the topic then when I started. You know, basically I don't
know anymore. It's what I should say. Maybe not less, but yeah,
I would agree. Yeah, I mean, it's it's such a mystery.
And you know, I just was talking about in the monologue before I
started, about doing this UAP crossfire thing with these three other guys. It's
a lot of fun. And you know, basically one of the questions came
up was does the government actually know? I do believe that there's some part
of our government that knows a lot, but I don't know if they know
the whole picture. That's that's how I feel about it. I may be
wrong, you know, maybe they do no more or maybe they know less
than that, but anyway, yeah, I would agree with you. I
think that we can't just paint one group of people or profession by knowing everything,
because there's if there really was the secret, not everybody wouldn't know it
in an organization. And I think that's true. Yeah, yep. And
it's a way also the way things are, there's the need to know thing
and how they can compartmentalize things, and how they also can put things off
into like a private entity with no government oversight. So I think that's kind
of what's happened along the way, and then it's you know, generationally passed
down to whoever you know there was. I don't know if you've ever heard
about that. I forget the guy's name, Chase. I want to say,
Chase Brandon, who supposedly had uf found a box name with a Roswell
on it when he was just working for the government somehow. I don't know
if you ever heard that story. I got I have never heard this story.
How could I've never heard the story? But he found a box?
Oh this is such a movie. I love it. It just it just
says Roswell confidential, like in Red pen Shackle the box you know, yeah,
some dead alien bodies in there. Yeah, so you know, I
mean there's still like, you know, Roswell. You know, there's still
such controversy about Roswell. And I don't know what to think about Roswell.
There are some that have looked at it a long time, And is that
something you've ever looked into at all and what too. I didn't deep dive
into it like some people have made it their life's passion to really figure out
what happened at Roswell. And we to thank those people because they've done all
the legwork I think to kind of connect the dots or how many dots we
know now? But but I think like one of the things that I always
get this question, and sometimes that the question this question comes to me to
people who like don't believe in aliens, and they're like, well, how
do you know if somebody's telling the truth or not? And I said,
and I always tell them in every story, no matter how crazy it is
or how much I don't want to trust this person because of some demeanor they
have that you know, I'm picking up. As a journalist, there's always
a grain of truth in the story. What that grain of truth is is
your job as a journalist to figure out at a neutral level, and sometimes
figuring out what that truth is isn't necessarily figuring out if if the alien part
of the story is real, what made what part of the story of what
they're telling has relevancy? And once you can go from there, then you
can figure out the truth of the story, and I think something definitely happened
at Roswell, And I think that one hundred percent people that aren't into Aliens
would tell you something happened at Roswell. What that is is up for debate.
I personally don't think it was a weather balloon, but I do think
something happened, and whether that was a top secret project or it was Aliens,
something happened and it is still being kept under wraps. Yeah, you
know. I mentioned Stanton Freeman just a minute ago, and he used to
say that he was on the show at least a dozen times. He was
such a great guy. He used to say that the government lied five times
about Roswell, and that he could prove that they lied five times about Roswell.
But but whether it had to do with some you know, secret military
situation or whatever, you know, that's that's up for debate. One of
the shows that I've had recently that I was really happy to do was with
someone that was very, very stressed when I interviewed him, and I wasn't
prepared for it at all because I had many many conversations with him. His
name is Jonathan Wigan, who was on this show a few weeks ago,
and it was about a Peruvian sit and it was only the second time a
crash that he happened upon when he was in the Marines. It's only the
second time he's ever talked about it. And you know, when he got
up in front of the when I turned the lights on, he said,
move the lights away, you know, like he felt like it was being
interrogated. So I had it's a little bit of a dark room that he's
in. But anyway, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he
was telling the truth through that whole thing. And it's a spectacular story.
Is it the is it what's happening in Peru right now? With the face
It's totally totally unrelated. Happened in nineteen ninety seven, but it is something
that he you know, I've tried to hook him up to like you should,
you know, tried this whistleblower thing. You know. Really he says
he does not trust the government. He does not want to talk to anyone
about it. He had journalists that wanted they were getting a hold of meat,
that wanted to talk to him write a story. Nope, I don't
I don't trust journalists say twist stories. It was like and they said journalist
interviewing. Yeah, yeah, well it was it was I thought, you
know, he kind of clammed up during the interview. Was really tough.
I wasn't prepared for it, but but it was still. What I'm getting
at is, you know you mentioned about the truth there. I don't have
a single doubt that he was telling the truth the whole time and it and
it pained him and you could see it. Yeah, you know, he
did not want to talk about it. Yeah. So so anyway, what
are some of the cases that you've actually looked into when it comes to the
UFO world. Let's see. I you know, I haven't spent a lot
of times with the famous ones. I mean a lot of the stuff is
good. Yeah, I know, I was like, you know what,
I like the other ones, they're good. Yeah. I think a lot
of the UFO witness ones were definitely a combination of Ben and I of our
interests on on certain subjects, and you know, I it's crazy, I
think I always wanted to cover skin Walker Ranch. But after Ben and I
spent all this time at this this ranch that was supposed to be similar activity
to skinwalker in Arkansas. Oh I heard about that. Yeah, he probably
talked about Oh yeah, it was it's it's it was his contact. He
had been working for a really, really long time and they had never let
anybody on their property. But they were having all of this kind of i'll
just say skin walker ranch type activity. You know, everything cryptids, uh,
ghosts, demons, aliens, you know, like everything just kind of
coming through. And after spending all that time out there, I was like,
maybe I switched my focus to other cases, you know, because it's
it's totally on the body. And then and then I don't know if you've
ever read Hitchhikers in the Pentagon, but like that's all about so oh yes,
I think I had that person on the show who who wrote that.
Well, there's there's two two soldiers Special Forces guys, and then George Knapp
and the other guy that I cannot remember his name. But I don't think
the Special Forces guys have come out unless they've come out recently. They're they're
kind of nicknamed in the book to to keep their identity, but they but
one of the things that they talk about, and I'll get to the point
of why I'm saying what I'm saying is that they they reported bringing bringing back
entities that then haunted their family and attached themselves to their lives and the people
that they loved, and it took a really long time for them to get
rid of them. So some of the things that I feel in some of
these places, that effect does happen, and so you just have to be
really careful. I think for me, the investigation part of the kind of
cases where humans not just places that are just completely have some kind of crazy
vortex energy like Skinwalker Ranch, but places where people have multiple people have experienced
c NEUFO, being abducted, having conversations whether subconsciously or consciously, with other
entities. Those are the places. Those are the places that I like going
to because I really want to figure out is it the location, is it
the people some kind of genetic code, or is it in the right place
at the right time somehow passing through because I think that those create patterns in
the data that's been collective for the last fifty sixty years of why they're coming
here and how they're coming here, and so those are the kind of things
that I'm more interested, even if it's a smaller story. As long as
there's multiple stories, multiple people have somewhat of the same experience, that to
me creates more of a data pattern than just on one off. Well,
I'll tell you that that whole hitchhiker thing is kind of scary to me,
and I've heard a lot of people talking about it. I don't want to
bring people, you know, living people in flesh and blood are are enough
work, Like bringing something home in another dimension. Is it's like another you
know, cherry on top of all that. Yeah, yeah, well you
don't want to deal with Yeah, I know that. When I spoke to
you know, the Brandon Fugel and the others at you know, the skin
Walker mansion, they say that that happens there as well, that some people
have left and brought things with them. And yeah, and so I had
thought about I had an invitation to go there and and but I had to
share it up with the agency and all that that does, the all the
press work for them, and it had go around their filming and all that
type of stuff. But I still think I probably go. My producer and
I would probably still go if we had the chance. I think I think
I'd chance it. Yeah, because a lot of people go there and you
know, you don't hear about it too much, but it does. I
mean, I think there is something to that. I mean, enough people
talk about it. M I agree, Yeah, that was definitely there,
I think. But it's not just that location. Skin Walk around skin Walk
a ranch obviously has been written about and there's a lot of case studies done
about it, but there's lots of other people that have similar you know,
even if there's places that are harmless, you know, seemingly harmless, like
Sedona. Right, there's tons of alien activity out there, There's tons of
weird spirit stuff and more tech stuff and missing time, but people report stuff
happening to them afterwards, whether it's good or bad. So I think it's
in this field. That's one thing I've become really sensitive to that that in
the world of investor instigation, who's deciding what thoughts are coming into my head
and being really clear and staying really neutral, not trying to believe anything too
much? And then what am I bringing home? You know, Uh,
this is a totally different kind of work bringing Bringing your work home with you
is another level. Yeah right, yeah, Now speculative, I'm asking to
you to speculate here, and I've I've asked this of a number of people
over the years. Why would you think there are places like skin Walker Rancher
or hot spots in general? You know, maybe perhaps there's a lot of
Bigfoot sightings in Pennsylvania and the area. Maybe there's a lot of UFOs in
this area. And they repeated the same UFO comes over and over again.
I mean, it's so bizarre, and I'm just wondering your speculation of why
do you think there's these spots and areas that people can go to and actually
see something happen. Well, I think spots like this of existence since the
beginning of humanity. And we know that because we keep finding stone circles and
markings that are older and older and older, and those spots are always in
places where there's some kind of energy there. No, I'm not saying Stonehenge
is filled with bigfoots and and you know, cryptids and all sorts of stuff,
but there is some energy there. So humans have been marking spots with
energy, whether it's negative or positive, and so that leads me to believe
I mean, of course this gets into some realms of pseudoscience, but that
there are pseudoscience only to people who who are really strict on what science is.
But there are nodes on the planet that is something we do know.
And in those structures or nodes around the planet, there are different lay lines
and to lyric lines that cross over each other. So the theory is that
whim to lyric lines, which are circle underneath the earth, and the lay
lines that are on top come together, then there's some kind of portal that
opens and portal of courses a pseudoscience form. But I believe there's a lot
of validility to that because since ancient times, the same places have had alien
activity, weird creatures, ghosts, ancestors, all that kind of stuff.
So I really think that there's places on this Earth that time and dimensions are
very thin, and things can cross through and I don't even think they're intentional
sometimes. I mean, if you're walking in your backyard and you didn't know
that there was a thinning of dimensions and you were just walking to the end
of your backyard and somehow you ended up somewhere else. I mean, sometimes
that's how I feel about the whole big Foot sightings, that they're like crossing
over into our dimension and then crossing back over and because crossing back over into
whatever dimension they are, and or or even alien sightings. Right, So
I think I think that that word has a lot of stigmatism in our in
our in our practice. You know, when you say the word portal,
it's a negative thing, like you believe in all of this hoopla. But
but there's no other way to explain it. There's some kind of energy field,
some kind of thinning of the dimensions of time and space that seemed to
be happening, and they're happening for thousands of years. So that kind of
makes the most sense in explaining what could be happening in these places. Also,
I'll put one more thing into that. I'll put one more thing into
the tulyric line lay line situation. Is that a lot of some of these
places, it's the geology makeup of the rock and the minerals that somehow holds
some kind of frequency or power. Also running water underneath the earth. So
if you have a mixture of certain minerals, quartz or any copper or silver,
you know, any kind of anything could be laid in the rock,
and then you have running water underneath, you've already created some kind of vortexal
energy. Whether you believe in portals or not, the energy in that location
has changed. So that's a that's also a good indication when you got when
I go to some of these places, I do ask or I do read
about, like what's up? What's up with the actual land below me?
Is there something unique mineral property that these things could be happening because of Yeah,
there's a lot of speculation that goes along with the geology. Like you
mentioned Brown Mountain, a lot of things happen there, and that's the high
copper content there seems. Copper seems to be something you hear about a lot,
which I think is pretty interesting. And as far as the big Foot
being interdimensional, you know, it's possible because it seems like it would certainly
answer a lot of the things that can't be answered of the showing up and
going away and the never seeing any signs of you know, skeletals remains or
anything like that. You know, I mean, who knows? You know,
you get you watch the Patterson Gimblet I think that's what it's called film,
and they dissected that thing all the way through and steadied it and looked
at the anatomy, and it looks it does not look human, you know,
it doesn't look like someone in a costume. So I think that's you
know, it seems like when we had that film all the way back in
the nineteen sixties that there should be something better by now, you would think.
So with all the people that claim they see Bigfoot, yeah, yeah,
that's just another so but you know, here's the thing. I don't
know. There's not a lot of places on the Earth that are completely unpopulated.
I mean, there's definitely wooded areas in the United States that are thicker
and have more coverage, but they're not completely off the grid. You know,
there's a couple of places, but not that many. So they couldn't
necessarily I feel like they couldn't necessarily like live without being undetected completely unless they
could go in between time and space. But now we're speculating, well yeah,
but you know, well I just scree a little bit with you.
I've done a lot of flying and over unpopulated areas in the United States and
this seems to be quite a bit. But and there was also I don't
know if you ever heard about this. This is really a spectacular thing.
A guy left Massachusetts. He went up by the Allagash and Main, which
is, you know, lots and lots of woods and lakes and things like
that. He lived over twenty years without being detected and like a hermit,
you know, type of situation before he finally came out of the woods.
So I think people can if they want to stay, or animals or whatever,
they could. But you know, there's always hunters. There's always some
way someone could come across something. Here's a question. I don't believe the
spelling is right, but what exactly is a lay line? Someone wants to
know. So lay line is a straight is a straight, energetic point that
kind of connects two nodes. So if you if you can imagine, try
to explain. So, uh, a lay line is an energetic structure on
the surface of the ground. So it has nothing to do with water.
It's a it's an energetic point that connects another point. We have them all
over any any structure. Even you're in your land, if you have two
acres, you'll have like a bunch of lay lines that connect points to Lyric
lines are the circular ones run by water underneath the ground. So these are
just kind of lay lines are strong energetic currents that are picked up by certain
devices that are straight and they run right across from point A to point B
wherever that may be. That's what a la line is on the surface of
the ground. M m m okay. So when you were with Ben,
Now I watched some of the shows and that you and Ben did, But
what do you think was besides that Arkansas case, what were some of the
ones that really stood out to you that you you two investigated. So when
we were in Idaho in Oh my god, I'm going to murder the name
of that lake. It's like I can see the spelling in my in my
head, but it's it's French. It's uh okay, well, I'll think
about tell the story. But it's a very, it's a very. It's
one of I think it's the seventh deepest lake in the United States and they
have a lot of UFO activity. I literally want to call it Lake Ponderosa,
but that is not what it's called. It's like I'm just about in
my head. I had never been up there, and and the people we
interviewed were it was so unique because they had they definitely had like a native
here we here again, we have thousands of years of Native American stories of
of entities or they, you know, they they would call them, you
know, they had them marked as bears, you know, so that they
would have the stories of bears and coming to humans and you know that kind
of thing. But they marked all over the lake certain spots that were really
important. Now, I now there's two parts of this story. I think
that the Native Americans were marking really important parts of their heritage. But there
was also stories of weird things that would happen in the sky. So then
we started interviewing modern day stories. And there were submersible uh, alien vehicles
that would that would fly across the sky and then drop slowly into the water
like we have seen with some of those Navy videos. Then there was all
sorts of like lights in the sky. One woman had kind of an abduction
experience where she was seen all those lights in the sky for several months.
She'd be driving home and she felt like she was being followed and then they
tried to get they has she had an experience where the little grays came into
her room and then they tried to take her out of bed, but somehow
she escaped. It didn't happen. There's just so much stuff happening in this
tiny little town in Idaho that surrounds this lake. Now the lake itself,
the lake itself is really unique because the Navy actually has a testing ground there
for sub marines because it's so deep, and they're said to be all these
caverns that connect to other big lakes in Idaho and over the border. So
you would get into all of this underground kind of underground alien situation. It's
kind of cool. Hmm. Wow, And what do you have a couple
of other ones that? And did you did you stay primarily in this country?
You didn't go overseas right now? God, we wanted to. There's
so many cool things overseas. There's just there, you know, producers.
Uh, yeah, there's just too much to see. Yeah. We also
did this ranch in uh, Colorado where there was cow mutilations. That place
was super spooky. It uh we actually had all of our equipment going off
the charts completely and and then it got really rhythmic. It was every thirteen
seconds like it would just pop one, wow, three, four, but
stop thirteen seconds and then it'll start again. It was it was it was
crazy. And the owner of the property said that, Okay, so there's
it's I think it's like five hundred acres or something like that, and what
divides the properaty, So he's got cows on both side of a road,
like a pretty decent size highway, not major, but pretty decent size highway.
And he said that, like and I could feel it because this whole
area just there's just energy like surging through and we were in there like midnight
or something. He said that there would be cows that would be flipped upside
down that would be in this highway, and people would get in crashes,
like their cars would be flipped. So some kind of energy seems to be
running through this property kind of in a destructive way, whether it's his cattle
or just people driving and their cars are flipped over while they're driving. It's
pretty insane. Yeah, that was that was an interesting case. Wow,
that's amazing. And what was this? Uh what side of the Rockies was
this in Colorado? Was it the western side or eastern side? Oh?
Yes, okay, right right, yeah, boy, I lived there,
you know, back in the seventies and not Colorado Springs, but in uh,
you know, up toward Boulder in uh, you know, back before
I was interested in the UFOs, but I saw a pretty good media right
out there. It was the first one I saw in my life, and
it was scared back out of me. But in Colorado, Yeah, in
Colorado, I lived there years. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going
on out there that is for sure yet too. Yeah, So I'm going
to I'm going to try the phone. We haven't had access to the phone
forever because working with Bill, I have working with the channel Chanel right now
over at KGr A Radio, she will be answering the phone and I'd like
to pop that number up here if anyone would like to call in for our
guests and if the KGr A call in numbers eight five five four seven two
five four eight three. And I think it's been well over a year since
the phone system fried in New York with Bill, so I'd love to have
someone call in and that number and shann Ala standing by at kg r A
Radio, so that'll be fun to actually have a call. And it's been
a while, like I said, and I used to do call in shows
here and a lot of people really participated. So now that have this access.
I might do that. Yeah, especially if my guests doesn't show up,
I'll do a call in show that can happen. Yeah yeah, So,
uh, that is bizarre. I didn't realize that you did other things
like the catle mutilations, and that's such a you know, Chris O'Brien is
a friend of mine. He's he has written the uh the probably one of
the best books on the subject of cattle mutilations. He's still getting calls all
over the country. So it hasn't led up any It's still happening a lot.
Yeah. Yeah, and it says did you actually see a mutilation?
Yes, there was a cow that that's what that's why we went out there.
We went on to kind of do some tests on the cow that was
found, and it was it didn't just happen. It was a very it
was it. You know, it was mostly bone, there was some skin
on it and stuff, but but it definitely was very odd and strange.
You know. There there are things that I've come across where my mind prepares
me for it, like, okay, you know, but I'm here to
look at it and come up with an assessment, right uh, and and
really take my emotions out of it. But there's a moment where you are
like, what is that? Like what like there's just no explanation. I
did a show for A and E and i' I don't know how they aired
this, but it was on the first forty eight hours of a murder and
it was on the it was on the side of the corner, the corner
trying to solve like what happened to this person? Right, which I mean
so if you think about it, we're filming dead bodies in a in a
corner and there's nothing that can really like prepare you for that except for you're
like, Okay, this is a show. Everybody's got to do their job.
Nothing's happening here right, so that you can get it done. But
you know, afterwards you think about that and you're like, what just happened?
But when I was there and you're looking at something that is mutilated in
such a way that your mind cannot wrap your head around why it happens,
there's a moment where you're like, what is this? You know, even
in a journalistic state, you're like, what is like what is this?
What has happened here? Like who did this? And how I didn't realize
that you reacted so quickly to like a situation that happened like this happened,
and you to jump on a plane and you go into Colorado to investigate that
that's the whole thing, that whole Any type of situation like that that Ben
Hassan over the years sounds like a dream job to me, you know,
maybe take away from your family or whatever. But still, we actually have
someone on the line now, So Paul from Milford, Connecticut, welcome to
the show. Thank you for being the first caller in about I don't know,
maybe two years. Hi, Paul Martin, Yeah, how are you
Paul? Quick? I think I think the thing you were looking for before
was the anti Cathera mechanism from Greece. Yes, oh yes, yes,
the like it has all the dials and the calculations. Years. Yeah.
Solario and Melissa, would you wanted to the broadcast with talking about Maria the
Peruvian Yes. I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the mummies.
I'll think my answer off the air, but I'd love to hear more
about that. Yes, thank you, Pa, Thank you Paul. This
is such a hotly debated thing right now. So this is such a long
answer to a short question, so I'm trying to make it short just to
talk about Maria. So the bodies that were revealed in Mexico, they were
discovered back in twenty seventeen, and I worked on that case. Maria is
not one of those bodies that were brought up in that Mexican congressional hearing.
Maria is a was a body that was found alongside those smaller bodies that he
presented. So Maria, if she was standing up, would probably about five
to seven. She had an elongated skull, she had the three fingers and
the three toes. For the most part her human. Her body was mostly
human, her torso, but her head was definitely different, and then her
fingers and toes. She also had some strain your holes that like, she
didn't she didn't have the same mechanism of hearing that that that we do now.
Maria was really interested. This is is gonna be the whole podcast.
We can talk about these mummies. But Maria was really interesting to me because
we spent the most time on trying to figure out if somebody had manipulated the
body, uh and if they did, how did they do it? And
Number two if it wasn't manipulated, what was it? And there was lots
of genetic genetic testing done from different parts of the body, from different parts
of the hand, from different parts of the feet, from different parts of
all sorts of but there's still skin on the body. Uh, whatever it
was there, there she is and the white powder on the outside is Die
to Masis Earth. Now, die to Masis Earth you can find anywhere.
Can bout it at Walmart, people ingested for parasites. You can put it
out in your garden. But this certain makeup of Die to Masis Earth was
specifically traced to the NASCAR region where they apparently found the bodies. Now the
cave is up for debate. They later took us to the cave, but
I don't know if it's a right cave, you know, the whole A
lot of these people involved are pretty dodgy, So this is why this story
is such a mess. But but Maria's genetic material was really interesting, and
it took about a year for it to be gathered from a lab. There
was a lab in Canada that we were working with. There was a lab
in Mexico, and there was a lab in Russia. There was they were
all doing separate tests, uh, And we were asking one question, right,
so you can you really got to be we we when you were asking
one question, what you have to figure out where you're trying to get because
you have you only have center amount of material, And we wanted to know
how much of this genetic material was of modern day human And it came back
twenty five percent match some kind of human DNA, but it didn't match anything
in the Human Genome Project. So either there's DNA that we haven't gathered.
Uh. And of course the Human Genome Project I don't think includes Neanderthal or
disobin or any of that. That's a whole different kind of DNA test,
So it could have been some of that, and it we also stripped it
of bacteria and mold in any non biological uh stuff. Right. So that
also takes a long time to kind of strip that away to kind of see
where we're at with the DNA markers. There was some I believe in the
Mexico DNA, there was some kind of bovine DNA included. But one of
the things that I can say, and I'm not here to say that they're
real or not, even though I was involved. I saw them, you
know, I got to touch them like I was. I went down there
several times. I had to deal with very dodgy characters h and people that
are not trustworthy, so that, you know, that makes the story into
some other, some other situation. But I can say that if somebody made
these bodies, because there's a level of cat scans and tomography that we did,
and we had specialists look at it and they couldn't figure out where the
cut marks were for them to create the fingers and the toes or even the
head for it to be elongated. If somebody created this, they I want
to know who they are, because they are masked. They are not some
some just worker in a factory making those little dolls that they're selling right now
in Peru that look like the ones that are in the Mexico Congressional hearing.
However they did this, it's it's masterful. They should. They should.
I don't know how they did it. There's lots of theories online. I've
researched most of them and I have not found a conclusion yet. I'm not
saying they're real. I'm saying who If somebody made these, they're pretty incredible.
Yeah, I'm not talking about this congression here, and I am only
speaking about Maria. Yeah, yeah, I put up this. Someone made
this great little video of the alien and at the Mexico Hearing Congressional Hearing that
it was they made a cake out of it. I don't know if you
saw that, Oh I did, I did. It looked delicious, I
know that was that was pretty funny. Yeah, you know, unfortunately,
there's some characters in this field that can cause a lot of problems. And
I'm going to just leave it at that because this is this is no need
to no need to speak anymore about that. But we do have another caller
on the line, and I'm looking. This is David from Oregon. David,
Welcome to the show. David, you're there, Yes, hi,
David, Welcome to the show. We're here waiting for Melissa's here waiting for
your question, and I've got an speak it is right back. So it's
okay, we're not getting a clear we're not getting I'm sorry, we're not
getting it all right? Could you repeat that real quickly. Let's see.
Yeah, I coming back to me. Oh god, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, it's not it's not a good line. I'm sorry about that.
Sorry about that. I feel like you Mars or something. I think he
might have been, or the backside of the moon as they call it.
Maybe you can call into to KGr KGr A and give them this question.
They can tell us. Yeah, okay, I think we have it.
Looks like we have another one more caller? Is that right over there?
Oh? William? Well, I am known from my glitches. William.
We have William on the line. I don't know where he's from, I'll
say him, William, come and welcome to the show. Well, thank
you. Hi. I'm coming from open California. And the lake that Melissa
was talking about is called Lake pin or or Or I guess o'reley that so,
yeah, it's French though, uh hold on, hold on now I
have to google it, but I lit. All I want to say in
my head is Lake Ponderosa, And that's not It's Lake Okay, Idaho deepest
lake. Hold on, So, so, William do you have another?
Have you been there? I was wondering if has anyone considered that the uaph
quote threat may not be towards the everyday human being, but to the establish
establishment of governmental control over the people. I mean, who would pay taxes
if if we knew they couldn't protect us at all? Right, that's true,
Yeah, that's true. I mean, I think the conversation of aliens
being good or bad is is pretty debated right now. I try to stay
neutral in it because I don't think we're going to really find any answers if
we try to paint them as such. I know a lot of the mainstream
shows that I'm involved in really like to suggest that they're coming to hurt us,
and I do think that we should be aware of what their capabilities are.
I mean, even Michio Koku, who I interviewed, whose famous quantum
physicists, said, you know, they're dangerous because we as humans don't understand
how how they work and how they're able to function in the universe. I
mean, you know, I don't know if I can get on board with
the idea that they're coming to save us. But but they are seeming to
show power, right, They're seeming they The cases with the military are this,
they're shutting down our nuclear power weapons. They're not blowing them up,
they're not using them on us. They're just saying we can do this,
right, so what are they trying to really show us? They're zipping past
our cameras and they're like, we look, you can see us. This
is what we're doing. This is what we're capable of. The question would
be why is it? Is it because they're the military is able to continue
that story or you know, I don't know. I just can't get on
board with the fact that they're they're doing it for nefarious for purposes completely.
I think that we as humans are becoming more conscious and aware of things,
and we are starting to wrap our head around beings existing in the universe,
and we are being able to see things that we never could see before.
And I don't think the government or the military can keep a cap on that.
I think that people are too interested, and so things are getting out
and they're trying to come up with stories for things, and I'm not sure
if if they can keep up with all the information that's right. I can't
believe how fast this hour went by. But thank you so much, Melissa.
It's been a real pleasure talking to you this evening. Okay, And
I'm oh, yeah, they went by fast. They are went by fast.
So I will put your information all in the show notes. Anyone can
find your website and all that. You can find all that information in the
show notes, and thank you so much. Okay, great, awesome,
Okay, take care now, all right, thank you, by all right
everyone. So we'll be back with Jim Quirk next week. See you at
the same time, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.