WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:23.559 so lightshay, subscribe and raid it five, stitch me day and watching always 3 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:30.359 keep it squatchy. Here and now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo Fay. 4 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.520 Hello, Squatch geteers out there and Bigfoot and Beyond land. This is 5 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.759 Cliff from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and oftentimes Bobo. Um. Bobo is 6 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.399 not going to be here today. He was almost here. In fact, 7 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:46.799 we're starting almost an hour late because he was almost here for almost an hour. 8 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:52.359 But technological problems haunt Bobo. So anyway, you're stuck with jess Meat 9 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.560 today. But actually not just me. We've got a great guest and we'll 10 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.359 get to him in just a few minutes. A lot of cool stuff's been 11 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.719 going out there in bigfoot Land. A lot of stuff cool stuff's been going 12 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:02.759 on, i should say, out there in Bigfootland. Some new footprints were 13 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.920 discovered a northern California just yesterday. We'll bring you more on that. As 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.120 we get more on that. We theoretically have the finders lined up as guests. 15 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.879 We'll see if that comes to fruition or not. I've been meeting a 16 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.439 lot of cool people and reconnecting with other people. Just this past week, 17 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.040 I had breakfast with a bunch of Bigfoot old timers, as I like to 18 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:23.760 call them, people like Joe B. Lartin, Larry Lund, and a 19 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.640 woman named Susannah Branch showed up. She's been a friend of mine for about 20 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.120 ten years, but I rarely get to see her. She was actually a 21 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.959 volunteer for Peter Burne's Bigfoot research project back in the day, so she has 22 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.280 a lot of interesting photographs and stories and she might be a pretty good guest 23 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.879 for Bigfoot and Beyond. Perhaps you'd like to hear from her. I'm pretty 24 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.480 encouraged about those potential handprints. I think I tell you about those handprints. 25 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.079 I must have told you about those hand prints. But if you're a member 26 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:51.879 of the NABC, you know about them. You've probably seen the video I 27 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.760 made at some point on those. I'm thinking those were the real deal. 28 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.359 Man. So we've got another research location, brand new research location that has 29 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:04.719 yielded foot prince and handprints. Now pretty excited about that. And I mean, 30 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.040 I don't know when this podcast is going to go out, but by 31 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.120 the time you hear it, I will have gone and come back hopefully if 32 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:14.000 the planes are good to me from the Ohio conference. I'm predicting now, 33 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.199 but I'll say band it was a good conference. Glad I went. The 34 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.400 next one, of course, that we're gonna be where I'm gonna be appearing 35 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.680 at is the thing up in Forks. I'm looking forward to that. That'll 36 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.919 be a fun event. I think it's the last weekend here in whatever month. 37 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.680 This is May. Yeah, it's May twenty six to twenty eight up 38 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.439 in Forks. It's the second annual Forks Sasquatch Days. All sorts of good 39 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.319 folks are going to be there besides me. Let's see, I'm looking at 40 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.960 the schedule now. Mark Marcell and Doug Hicheck are going to be there, 41 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:42.039 Marsha Moore and Dave Ellis. Dave Ellis is a good friend and his name 42 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.840 is going to come up in our podcast today because our guest has been speaking 43 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:47.960 to him. Thomas Sue is going to be there. I have Brent, 44 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.080 Jill and Mike. I don't know who they are. I didn't get a 45 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.879 last name on that. And of course Rich drmo the police officer who saw 46 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.759 one of those things up by Lapush. It's going to be a good event. 47 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.000 I haven't done this gig before, so if you've done this gig, 48 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:00.080 let us know, let me know what you think about it. You can 49 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:05.280 email the podcast at a big Foot of be On podcast at gmail dot com. 50 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.360 And gosh, we're just getting going in conference season, so if you're 51 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.439 out there in the country, pay attention to where we're going to be. 52 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.120 I'm gonna be poking around the country. I've got a couple of Tennessee gigs. 53 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.800 I've got some Ohio stuff coming up. I don't know if Bobo is 54 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:21.439 going to be anywhere. He's really busy editing his documentaries, so you'll be 55 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.879 able to see him really soon. A little disappointed, I understand he had 56 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.479 some amazing stories. So here we go. Enough of me. Let's bring 57 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.159 in the guests because I'm excited about this guest because Bobo told me about this 58 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.759 guy this past week as dude, we got to have this guy on Dude. 59 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.639 He's blah blah blah, bobloah blah blah blah blah, And I'm thinking, 60 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.080 oh, well, Bobo's blah blahing at me, it must be amazing, 61 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.960 right, So Bobo lined them up. But I love this because see, 62 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.039 Bobo's already spent like an hour on the phone with Piers. Piers is 63 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.400 this guy's name. I've never met the guy. We started talking an hour 64 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.599 ago on the phone here when we're trying to get Bobo to get his technological 65 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.639 act together. And so I have never heard this story, so I am 66 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.199 hearing it for the first time, just like you our listeners are hearing this 67 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:04.599 story for the first time. So with that in mind, Paris, how 68 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:09.199 you doing, man, I'm good. I'm good. Uh, I mean, 69 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.879 you're you. You give me way too much accreditation. Oh well, 70 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.600 you know you're a witness and witnesses are are to be listened to. And 71 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:20.879 um, Bobo said some great things about your encounter. And just so you 72 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.439 know, I'm a pretty friendly guy. There nothing to be worried about. 73 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.199 I know sasquatches are real. I'd here to make fun of anybody. I'm 74 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.240 just here to listen to what you have to say and get some perspective from 75 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:35.079 what you've learned from this whole event. But um, let's let's learn a 76 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.360 bit a little bit about who you are. First. Can you tell us 77 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.319 maybe what you do for a living or where you live or any that sort 78 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.279 of stuff to give us a background on who you are right now. I'm 79 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.279 in Tennessee. I've lived all over the world. I lived in Vietnam for 80 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.800 a year and a half. I was in Tanzania for a year and a 81 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:57.040 half. I went to college in Germany. So I've lived all over the 82 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.759 planet. Were you in the service or something. That's a lot of that's 83 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.120 a lot of countries to cover. Yeah, not not exactly though, but 84 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:08.439 yeah, it's been a really amazing life. And you know, my one 85 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:15.639 encounter with with the sasquatch happened in uh, Colorado. I was in Colorado 86 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:21.000 for seven years and had an event company, and so that's where I had 87 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:26.120 my encounter. And when when did this encounter happen? It was like ninety 88 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.160 nine. I mean I could be wrong, I could be one one off 89 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.920 either way, but ninety nine January is what I think it is. Well, 90 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.000 what were you doing? Like, because you know, you don't run 91 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.800 into sasquatches in Boulder, for example, you don't run into sasquatches in Denver. 92 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.560 Asment is really unique in the fact that it's kind of like Vancouver and 93 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.560 the fact that it is it's almost like an island unto itself. I mean 94 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:57.240 there's forces all around you, there's food for bears and stuff all around you. 95 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.199 And they don't hibernate there. I mean because they're coming into town and 96 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.480 they and they go they run rough shot over your your trash cans and stuff. 97 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:06.920 And now I've never up been to Aspen. It's one of the places 98 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.079 in Colorad I have yet to visit. So is it pretty deep snow in 99 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.600 January during um during an Aspen? It can be, It can be for 100 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.199 sure. What about this particular winter, I mean it started snowing when I 101 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.600 had in my moment, but yeah, I mean it was. It's always 102 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.199 snowing a little bit. I mean it snows like eleven months out of the 103 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.000 year there. Oh geez. Really, I wouldn't like it there very much 104 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.639 then, although I heard it's beautiful, it's really pretty. But the whole 105 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:36.439 point was I was going out to this Pine Creek cook House, which is 106 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.680 amazing. By the way, if you ever get a chance to do that, 107 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.879 do this at a restaurant or it's a restaurant and it's out in the 108 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:48.800 Willowness and fantastic food and they specialize and really exotic, you know, meats 109 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.839 and stuff. So you have cariboo, and well those pause on that for 110 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.959 a minute, like because I'm always interested in that kind of stuff. So 111 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.439 they have cariboo, do they have do they have elk? Absolutely about moose 112 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.480 or something like that, moose, buffalo everything. And that was the place 113 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.920 of the sighting and the way you get there in the wintertime, you have 114 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.759 two choices. You can cross country ski up to it, or you take 115 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.319 a sleigh ride on the side. If you're an old, fat guy like 116 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.199 me, Oh my god, this is a different level of restaurant. This 117 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.199 is not what I was expecting at all. That's really cool, yeah it 118 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:28.120 is. It's it's pretty spectacular. And so I was there with some friends 119 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.240 and you know, we crossed country skied up there. I was in my 120 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:36.360 twenties then, well maybe thirties, but okay, don't tell yeah, yeah, 121 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.079 don't worry about it, you know. Anyway, I mean, so, 122 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.199 you know, we hiked up to the spot and had a great dinner 123 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.519 and we were the last ones to leave, and because it were just hanging 124 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.000 out and having a good time, and it got to the point where there 125 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:56.160 were probably like three people left in the building other than us, and it 126 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.920 got to be obvious it was time to to leave the premises. And uh 127 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.079 so we we're heading downhill and as luck would have it, I failed to 128 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.399 zip up my green north Face jacket that had my keys in it. So 129 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.040 my keys fell in the snow and it's snowing. So that's that's there's some 130 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.319 good news. So so we get all the way down to the bottom and 131 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.240 this is about I think it's like one point one miles I think somewhere in 132 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.839 that range. And we get there and we pull up the car. I 133 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.399 mean, you take off your skis and you take off your visor that that 134 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.279 has a head lamp. You know that you know allows you to not take 135 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.799 a head off of footfall or something. You know. It's not it's not 136 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:50.200 real bright, neither of mine. So so anyway, so we get down 137 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.600 the hill and uh I pull up to the car and uh I don't have 138 00:08:54.679 --> 00:09:00.399 the keys, and my friends are low looking at me, and some were 139 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.759 from out of town there, from from Virginia, and uh I just said, 140 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.279 I gotta go get my keys, and they said, you're never gonna 141 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:15.559 find your keys, Like I mean, it's snowing. We just ran downhill 142 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.480 with this thing or ski downhill, You're never gonna find your keys. But 143 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:26.200 these keys are my house keys, my work keys, everything, Like, 144 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.840 I mean, there's no way I'm going to leave that behind. Yeah, 145 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.600 your life is on these key chains. It's like losing your wallet or something. 146 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.000 It is because I mean, it's easy for them to say, we 147 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.600 can catch a taxi and you can go back home, but I can't get 148 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.960 into my home without my keys. I can't go into work the next day 149 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.240 without them. And I don't have a car to drive without those keys too. 150 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.960 So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go find my keys. 151 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.559 So I actually walked back up, and I was not skiing at this 152 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.879 point. I was. I walked back up, and I put the head 153 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.279 lamp back on my head, and I put one lamp and each other each 154 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:09.600 hands, so I had basically three lamps going on, and I just slowly 155 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.159 walked up. I mean, and when I say slowly, I mean slowly. 156 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.240 And this is a mild plus, you know, but I don't know 157 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.240 where it could have fallen out. So I mean, I'm thinking I'm going 158 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.440 to kick something up, or I'm not going to kick something up, and 159 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:28.960 so I'm being very careful about that. And then I'm focusing my head lamps 160 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.360 on the on my feet because that's where I figure I'm gonna find the keys. 161 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.440 And let's fast forward times like thirty minutes because at the top of the 162 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.879 hill I'm about to give up. And I actually saw the fib sticking out 163 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.080 of the of the snow because it was there was a tree that had blocked 164 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.360 some of the snow, thankfully for me, because the story would be indifferently 165 00:10:54.440 --> 00:11:00.519 bro it. But anyway, so I picked the keys up and I thought, 166 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.440 man, that's that's a moment. That's a moment. What a huge 167 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.440 breath of release. I really fat must have been. This is insane. 168 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.559 It's the stress off your shoulders at that point. Absolutely, And I put 169 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:15.039 them in and zipped up my coat. I tucked it away, and I 170 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.360 thought, this is a thank you God moment. There's always an opportunity for 171 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:24.240 gratitude, that's for sure. Yes, And then I heard this deep breathing 172 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:30.120 off the side. And get your attention, because you are in the wilderness. 173 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.559 I mean when you're when you when you're in to the Prime Creek Cookhouse, 174 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.120 you're in the wilderness. Get me no wrong, this is the wilderness. 175 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.919 So I'm honestly I'm afraid that it's a mountain lion or a bear or 176 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.279 something. I mean a bear, I could deal with mountain lion. They 177 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.480 can they can be kg So I mean, I was honestly more afraid the 178 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.480 fact that it would be a mountain lion than anything. And uh, I 179 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.559 shined the light on it. The lights plur on it. And this is 180 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.960 not a mounta line and it steps out, it takes a lineback or stance. 181 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:13.399 I'm pretty accurate on a height, you know. I mean people want 182 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.840 to say, you know, they're twelve feet tall and stuff like this. 183 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.879 It was like seven and a half fell seven to five, So that's what 184 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.960 you said. It stepped out, What was it? What was it behind 185 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.720 a tree or something, or it was leaning up against the side of the 186 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.919 building to try to be invisible. Oh, it was leaning against the restaurant, 187 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.840 leaning against the restaurant because it was trying to not be seen. Oh. 188 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.960 I didn't realize we're back at the restaurant. I thought it was like 189 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.320 en route to the restaurant somewhere. I'm doing a poor rendition of that. 190 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:41.799 Hey, that's why I'm here, man keeping us on track. Yeah, 191 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.039 so it was leaning against the restaurant, which is interesting because you got to 192 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.120 wonder why was it going to the restaurant. I wonder if there is an 193 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.559 outside grease trap or something it was rating on a regular basis. Well, 194 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.960 that's what David asked me, David Ellis when you spoke to him, David 195 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.519 Ellis, Yeah, he asked me about that, which again I answer would 196 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.960 be, I don't know, but there was no tree to hide behind. 197 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.519 Okay, so it's lending against the restaurant, almost kind of like a plain 198 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.159 view in a way. Well, I mean it's it's complete darkness, but 199 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.759 you know, you know, I'm illuminating that with the with the light, 200 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.639 and it was trying to not be seen. As soon as that it recognized 201 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:26.120 that it was on pay per view here, you know, I mean, 202 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.240 it stepped out and just said, okay, well you know this is where 203 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.840 we are. These are my words, clearly, and it just took a 204 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:39.600 posture that was basically permitting, yeah, you said a linebacker stance. What 205 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.919 do you mean by that? Okay, so he or she because I'm not 206 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.080 going to say which one it is because I don't know, all right, 207 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:52.720 So it bent his knees. The knees and the hands went out to the 208 00:13:52.799 --> 00:14:00.120 side, and it was basically ready for handling whatever's going to come forward to 209 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.279 that. I mean, it was just a ready, ready pose. I 210 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.759 mean, I don't I don't know another way to say, Cliff like so 211 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.159 like again, I'm not much of a sports guy, but kind of like 212 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.240 just like two guys ready to face off, almost like a wrestling sort of 213 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.919 thing before they engage, but a little bit more stand up. I think 214 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:18.519 that's fair to say. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just trying to 215 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.559 kind of trying to picture to my head, you know. Yeah, And 216 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:28.279 it was it was ready to handle me, which which would have taken nothing, 217 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.919 but okay, it would have taken nothing, but h I mean once 218 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.240 once it was on full display, like it just gave up the ghost and 219 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.519 just said, hey, look I'm here. Now what And I was like, 220 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:48.720 I didn't ask for what. I didn't know that was part of the 221 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.240 deal here, right, Yeah. I was just trying to find my keys 222 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.639 and go back to my tahoe and go home. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot 223 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.240 and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these mess Just 224 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:11.639 it's squared off with me, and it's staring at me. And uh, 225 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:15.919 people want to say they have these crazy eyes or something like that. That's 226 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.559 not true. I mean, that's not what I saw. I mean, 227 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.639 there were deep set eyes, but they were intense, and it was obvious. 228 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:28.200 It was absolutely a it's a creature. It's not something out of some 229 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.440 fairy tale. I mean this, this is a real thing, and you're 230 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.080 looking at it and you have to recognize it and give it some respect and 231 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.200 give us some room. You know. It kind of waited me out, 232 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.720 and I was waiting it out, and I thought, obviously, your your 233 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.639 first thought is to run, right, I mean, I mean, if 234 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.120 you're encountering, you know, a lion or something, you're gonna run. 235 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.240 But that could trigger something. Yeah, you may not want to. I 236 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.600 just thought maybe that could trigger some some thing, and it's mine that I 237 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.519 should be pursued if I do that. So I just sat there and staring 238 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:11.120 at it and staring at me. And this went on for roughly fifteen seconds. 239 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.720 Fifteen seconds, And how about about how far apart were you at that 240 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.879 time? Twenty twenty five twenty five feet holy smokes, Okay, so twenty 241 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.600 to twenty five feet. Were there any lights coming off the building or anything, 242 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.759 or your head lamps? The only thing illumining? Nothing? Nothing? 243 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.960 Okay, what cloudy? It was pro cloudy thing because you said it was 244 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.840 snowing, so the moon wasn't out either. It was snowing. And I 245 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.919 looked at the building because honestly, I was trying to find refuge because I 246 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.159 thought, all right, so that might be an option because the other rays 247 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:48.399 like a mile and a half down the hill or one point one miles anyway 248 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.799 down the hill, and by that time I'm not gonna make it. So 249 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.600 yeah, So I glanced at the building and the lights are all half all 250 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:03.399 out, and I think the people that that worked there probably had between the 251 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.680 time of us leaving and me getting back to that spot, they had already 252 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:14.519 gone home, and so everything was dark. And uh, you know, 253 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:21.160 I mean again, I mean, if you ask me to guess, obviously, 254 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:25.519 probably at times people leave food out or something like that, or trash 255 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:30.559 out maybe, but that'd be just a pure guess because I don't know. 256 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.799 It was just there and anyway, so I'm so, I'm I'm squaring off 257 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:41.440 with this this guy or girl, and it has this low growl that is 258 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.839 absolutely unique to anything I've ever heard. I mean, like when a dog 259 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:53.920 growls at you, it has this kind of consistent like thing it does, 260 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.279 and it might have to catch his breath, but it's going to be the 261 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:03.200 same growl. This did not sound like that. It was it modulated. 262 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.680 That gave me a little pause too, because I thought at some point it's 263 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.720 like, I mean, it's got something to say. When you say modulated, 264 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.680 Do you mean like it went up like well up and down in pitch, 265 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.279 or did it slow and its rumbles or what do you mean by the 266 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.799 word modulated, Because it could mean a lot of different things to a lot 267 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.160 of different people, And I'm just trying to get as accurate a picture as 268 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.960 I can. Mean, the best rendition would would be if you would were 269 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.119 to play play David's Oh yeah, that's right. Maybe that's a good This 270 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:33.880 is a good time to bring that in because you've already spoken about this to 271 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.920 David Ellis, who's a fantastic researcher, a part of the Olympic Project, 272 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.960 good friend of our has been on the show before super Smart Guy too, 273 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.200 you know super Smart Guy, and he has a recording apparently that matches this 274 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:51.799 really well identical, except this is deeper. It's deeper, but it's identical 275 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.440 other than that, and it goes up and down and it almost mimics voice 276 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.279 through the magic of editing. We'll have Matt Prue put that into the episode 277 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:10.720 right now so our listeners can hear it. I never had heard that before, 278 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:14.839 because well, I mean, certainly I did in real time, but 279 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:19.000 but I had not heard the episode that you had on I think it was 280 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:25.799 sixty five, episode sixty five, and I didn't know David. Then I 281 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:30.160 know David, and I think David's a great guy. He's a super super 282 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.680 smart guy. So to listen to him and gained some wisdom from that. 283 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.359 You know that that gave me some insight that I did not previously have. 284 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:44.000 So I'm gonna give him some big old shout out. But you know, 285 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:51.240 it was staring off at me and growling, and uh, I never felt 286 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:56.279 threatened. I honestly didn't feel threatened. But I thought that it had chosen 287 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:02.039 its ground and just said basically like this is my this is my assumption, 288 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.200 Like this is where the line ends. That was my intake. It's like 289 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.200 the line ends here. Everything after this is real, you know, I 290 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.759 just waited him out. And how long did you have to wait before the 291 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.799 next move happened? And I'm sure that seemed much longer than it actually was. 292 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.680 Well again, I mean considering this, all right, so five seconds 293 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.079 can sound like five minutes. I mean, I didn't never stop watch, 294 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.559 but I think the whole thing was probably fifteen or twenty seconds, which is 295 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.000 an eternity when you're actually there, well, yeah, when you're yeah, 296 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.400 when you're squaring off with something that can end to you. Yes, of 297 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.839 course. And it took its hands again, I'm gonna say it because I 298 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:45.960 don't know if it's a male or female. It works for us, the 299 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.240 word it works for the situation, all right, So the sasquatch cupped its 300 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:56.640 hands. I remember this distinctly because there's only a couple of things I'm looking 301 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.160 at right now, and I'm when i'm looking that is what's gonna physically be 302 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:07.960 a problem, you know, And that's the hands in the mouth. That's 303 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.920 the only thing I'm staring at. That's the only thing I'm shining a light 304 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:15.799 on at this point. I Mean, people ask me, hey, does 305 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.799 it does it? Did it have big feet? How do I know? 306 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.519 I mean, it's snowing, so I don't know, I mean, and 307 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.079 even if I didn't know, I mean, I'm not gonna stare his feet. 308 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:33.559 I'm worried about these gigantic hands, and I mean in the face, 309 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.839 and it's it's almost I don't want to say it's a human face, because 310 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.480 that that that would be wrong. But it's close. It's real close. 311 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.759 You know, if someone didn't shave for five weeks or something like that, 312 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:53.480 it'd be real close. And the intensity of the stair I'm never gonna forget 313 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.440 that. I'm never gonna forget that. That was something that will resonate with 314 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.839 me ever. And then when it put its hands together and it clapped and 315 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:11.039 it did this with his cupped hand thing it did and it sounded like again, 316 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.480 I don't want to sound like a crazy person, but it sounded like 317 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.799 a door getting shut on a seventies car. It sounded exactly like that, 318 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:26.039 exactly like that. I mean, I'm fifty three years old, so I 319 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.599 remember those times. And when you would close the door, it has this 320 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:37.960 deep clunk noise and that's exactly what it sounded like. And that's when I 321 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.440 decided to part ways. Well, here's a deal. Anybody who says that 322 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.960 they would have done something different wasn't there and has no right to say so, 323 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.279 because I don't know if anybody who's been big footing for a while, 324 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:55.519 or any any witness like yourself who's a purely accidental witness, right to be 325 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:59.799 in that situation. It's entirely different than planning to be in that situation. 326 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.359 You never know what you're gonna do. You never can predict. So how 327 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:04.880 can we didn't take a picture of it? All those questions? Yeah, 328 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.079 I can see how someone would ask that, but there's nonsense. Having been 329 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:12.599 in those situations over and above that, I think someone who that says that 330 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:17.880 they can prepare for that, they're lying too. They're lying to themselves, 331 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.160 because you know, once you're there and you're facing the storm, it's different. 332 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.480 I mean it's different, you know. I mean, you you can 333 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.359 say all day long what you're gonna do. Okay, I'm gonna under these 334 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.599 circumstances, this is what I'm gonna do. Oh yeah, that's that's great 335 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.599 barroom talk. But you know, when you're in the moment, you know, 336 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.640 when when a lion looks you in the face, then you you have 337 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.960 it your own come to Jesus moment, so to speak. And that's what 338 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:52.079 I had. And uh, you know, it wasn't some paranormal thing it 339 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.359 was. It was a feral thing that I was just I was. I 340 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:00.640 was intimidated. I'll tell you right now. I was. Anybody would have 341 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:06.200 been. So did a clap once one time? That's all too one clap 342 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.440 And that clap was loud. Dude, it was loud. It was really 343 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.839 like slamming a door. But I mean, you have to understand, these 344 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:21.440 hands are huge. They're huge, They're huge, they're cartoonish. Again, 345 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.680 I'm gonna reference David one more time because David asked me, he said, 346 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:30.359 did it use his mouth to combine that with the with the And the truth 347 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.720 is, I don't know. I mean because the only thing at that point 348 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.839 I'm looking at our hands because that's what I think is about to rip me 349 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.519 in three pieces. Now I've got a question about and I know I'm really 350 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.440 nitpicking here, but I'm curious if maybe if I ask you, maybe you 351 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.359 remember something or maybe you notice when I'm when it clapped. You know, 352 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.960 like imagine sitting in a in a seat watching a presentation, and then afterwards 353 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.079 you clap your arm. Your elbows would be bent, probably about ninety degrees 354 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.400 or so, and you'd be clapping in your hands would be a six inches 355 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:03.799 or a foot away from its chest or your chest. That was that like 356 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.160 the position it clapped or how did this sing clap? How did the arms 357 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.119 move when they came together? It was just a lightning strike. I mean 358 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:17.640 it was both hands why apart coming together? Were the arms extended when the 359 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.759 hands connected or were they bent? If you remember? And I don't know, 360 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.839 it's always an acceptable answer, I mean to tell you the truth. 361 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.799 I'm not sure fair enough, fair enough. I'm sure you're a little overwhelmed 362 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:33.400 at the time. I mean, I mean from my recollection, they came 363 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.039 from whide apart and they just it just collapsed, just hands into each other. 364 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.720 And whether they're bent or not, I don't know. I don't know. 365 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.799 You know, your description kind of reminds me of is like a grandmother 366 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.960 trying to scare away a dog from a picnic in a way, you know, 367 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.160 like these faster, hey you get out of here sort of things. 368 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.480 There's something about what you're describing that reminds me of that. It's hid the 369 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.079 same effect because I left. I bet it, Yeah, because that's what 370 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.759 I wanted to ask you. Because even though Sasquatches are not humans and it's 371 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:08.160 hard to get inside their head and they don't speak English or whatever other languages, 372 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.599 all apes, we're still all apes, and they're very effective communicators. 373 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:18.519 What did you feel it was communicating to you by that clap? Or was 374 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.640 even for you? I don't know. It was time to leave the situation. 375 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.839 That's that's what I got, you know. It was it was okay 376 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.680 for a minute, and it's like, all right, you need to go 377 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.559 home, and I was like, you know what, I got no problem 378 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.640 with that, no problem with that. And is that what you did? 379 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.200 What happened next? I mean a face planted like three times, run downhill 380 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.920 because I'm running in snow, so you turned and ran At that point, 381 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:52.039 yes, once you decide that it's time to exit stage right, you know, 382 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.880 I mean, you don't do it, you know, any wonderful way. 383 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.240 Yeah, there's no grace at that point, no grace because I mean 384 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.839 you you know, and you're thinking. I've had had people ask me, 385 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.640 hey, did you look behind you and see what's coming? It's like, 386 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.680 no, No, I did not. I did not yeah, you might 387 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.599 see it. Why why would you look? I mean, if you see 388 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:17.480 it, it's over. I mean the thing could have overturned me in a 389 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.559 half second. So I mean, if it's behind me, it's behind me. 390 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.759 And and I'll never find out. You know, the thing that struck 391 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:30.160 me is not the height, it's the width. Honestly, the width is 392 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.079 what probably stood out to me. Is it just a shoulder with or with 393 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.279 it? The whole torso or width of the shoulder with shoulder with was like 394 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:42.079 four and a half feet wide. And uh, you know, and you 395 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.000 know, I've shared this story with friends and they're like, hey, you 396 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.359 know, four feet wide, it's not the big deal. No, it's 397 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.359 a big deal. It's a big deal on a seven and a half foot 398 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.559 tall one, it is. Yeah, it's a big deal. And they're 399 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.960 perfectly sculpted, let's put it that way. Yeah, this thing is definitely 400 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.079 worked out. I mean I don't want to fight it, that's for sure. 401 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.720 Yeah. You know, I happened to be sitting at the desk here 402 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.960 at the North American big Foot Center and all over this museum here we have 403 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.519 we have we have a tape measures I'm measuring my shoulders now, and I'm 404 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.319 not a big man. I'm five foot eight tall as long as I'm not 405 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.559 slouching, and I'm measuring my shoulders right now, and they are basically twenty 406 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.680 one inches and I'm fairly broad shouldered. I get I think for my height, 407 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:32.160 twenty one inches. So take that time's two point three exactly exactly. 408 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:37.400 Anyone who doesn't understand how big that is doesn't get it. I mean, 409 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:44.079 it's absolutely with cut out the song. That's great. And by the way, 410 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.279 I've I've got to congratulate you on your math skills, you know, 411 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.319 because twenty two inches times two point three is fifty point six and that's like 412 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.039 a you know, four foot Well. I've got a real good friend of 413 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.400 mine. He played for the Mavericks. He's a he's six foot eleven and 414 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.640 h Yan Mahemi he was. He played for the Mavericks when they win the 415 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.079 championship with durk Navisky, and so that kind a pretty good, you know, 416 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.920 reference point of height and stuff. And this was taller, but the 417 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:17.599 width was amazingly different. I mean, there's there's no human that could feel 418 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.279 that, no way, you know. And you know, I've had people 419 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.799 ask me like, oh, you think somebody was wearing some suit or something 420 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.119 like that. Why in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere, 421 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.839 why would they do that. That's not possible. And they couldn't even 422 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.480 fill it out if they tried. It would be like making a prank phone 423 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.720 call to a to a number that you know won't pick up. Like, 424 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:48.880 that's not gonna happen. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 425 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:59.279 Bobo will be right back after these messages. The only reason, the only 426 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:07.759 reason that I saw this sasquatch was the fact that I dropped my keys in 427 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.519 the snow and I went downhill and I came back up real slow and real 428 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.920 quiet, and it's snowing and I'm down with so it can't smell me, 429 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.640 it can't hear me because I'm basically just shuffling my feet to try to churn 430 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:29.480 up my keys. And uh, and I just stumbled upon it and it 431 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.200 was probably like focused on some other stuff, and and uh, you know, 432 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.640 you know, David David Ellis asked me. He's like, hey, 433 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.319 he was there a trash can outside? I don't know, I don't know. 434 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.720 I mean, you think I'm gonna go back and look, no, 435 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.559 that's a that's a check sign right there. Man. When it's time to 436 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.680 go home, it's time to go home. You know that was havn't been 437 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.200 back actually, you know, having not been back, and they have great 438 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.440 food. It's a great place, you know. I just you know, 439 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.440 that was my little moment. And I'm not qualified to be on this show. 440 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.079 I'll be the first one to say that, Oh I would. I 441 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.880 would be the first one to disagree with you. No, I'll due respect. 442 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.880 I think you had a fantastic encounter. That's close up and cool, 443 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.839 and yeah, you've got an interesting observation because you know, the vast majority 444 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:22.519 of sasquatch sighting reports seem to be road crossings or I saw it at a 445 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.480 distance and it disappeared, that kind of thing where there has very very little 446 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.720 information about about the animal. You know, it's a snapshot, and you're 447 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.319 trying to write a biography about a person based on a snapshot. But in 448 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.000 situations like this, where there's a little bit of a standoff and there's a 449 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.720 little bit of an interaction, maybe almost you've observed the sasquatch doing something unusual 450 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:48.079 that kind of broadens our understanding of their species and the things that stand out 451 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:49.839 to me. It's so far, and I still have some questions for you, 452 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.839 by the way, but the things that stand out to me so far 453 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.079 about this is number one, it was leaning against a building when you encountered 454 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.359 it's okay, So that tells me the thing goes to this building sometimes for 455 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.200 something, most likely food. So maybe it's raid in the trash cans, 456 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.000 which is problematic because you can't tell if sasquatches raid the trash cans because they 457 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.720 very often put the lids back on. They're not like bears in that sort 458 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.799 of way. Maybe there's a grease trap, because that's been well documented in 459 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.119 places an Oklahoma, for example. There's a video of one of these things 460 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.880 doing that thing. And also, once it knew, it tried to hide, 461 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.240 but once it knew the gig was up, it kind of squared off 462 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.839 against you. It looks like or sounds like with that exception, that is 463 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.359 exactly what happened. Yeah, yeah, so it was ready to take you 464 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:39.720 on because you put it on notice somehow exactly. And then of course the 465 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:45.079 clapping thing was infinitely useful because it's been a discussion for a long time. 466 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.839 I've been putting this out since at least two thousand and six or two thousand 467 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.680 and eight, that sasquatches are doing more than hitting trees with sticks. Man, 468 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.400 They're they're clapping or making mouth and pop noises or something or maybe all 469 00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.880 of those things and more. And the more visual observations of these kinds of 470 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.160 behaviors, the more fuel we have for that fire, the more evidence we 471 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.519 have for that hypothesis, which is by the way, supported by the other 472 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.960 known apes as well. Gorillas are well known to do the same. The 473 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.720 clunk noise definitely was hand to hand. Yeah, that is really cool because 474 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.759 I personally heard car door slamming in the woods and I had no idea why 475 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.240 they were there. Couldn't have been cars where I was, So that this 476 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.079 is, you know, kind of filling in that puzzle piece for people like 477 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.119 me and other people have heard similar things. When it did that, my 478 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.759 eyes got wide, like it was just to me, it was it was 479 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:42.119 expressing itself like you need to vacate the premises, like I mean, like 480 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.799 it was very clearly just going, you're not okay here, You're not okay 481 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.000 here, and h and so guess what, I don't have to be asked 482 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:57.319 twice about in that moment. I mean, it was it was real. 483 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.039 I don't know, primal, I guess, so to speak. And maybe 484 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.720 just the way it did it. I mean you wouldn't. You wouldn't normally, 485 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.400 uh expect the sound to come out of that. But the way it 486 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.840 cupped his hands, I mean, I guess that's the way it does it. 487 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.079 I'm looking at Google Earth right now and I found Pine Creek cook House. 488 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.199 But it doesn't look like it's a mile from the fifteen highway. No, 489 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.159 It's definitely was one point one miles back then. So I mean, 490 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.039 I haven't this is nineteen ninety nine, so maybe maybe this highway is new 491 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.559 or something like that, because it looks like there's a road that goes up 492 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.599 to it at this point, it could have changed. But okay, where 493 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.000 you at Castle Creek trailhead? By any chance that rings a bell? But 494 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.320 I don't know exactly. I mean, I mean, this is a long 495 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.920 time ago. It's a long time ago. It is that this is you 496 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.519 know, like literally what thirty year I mean, the whole well, this 497 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.760 entire conversation came about because I asked Matt Pruitt, you know, hey, 498 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:57.480 or are there any No one ever talks about sasquatches in Colorado? And uh 499 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.880 yeah, I mean I guess, I mean, and maybe it's not that 500 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.280 common, but I saw one, so I thought there's got to be. 501 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.119 I can't be the only guy who's seen one. It's not possible. There's 502 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.599 no way that's possible. No, no, either. Well, you know, 503 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.239 Colorado's big country, man, there's a lot of country, and then 504 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.679 not a ton of people out there in that country. So there's I think 505 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.519 that contributes to Um, there's no lack of reports from Colorado, but there 506 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:28.079 are fewer there than lots of other states where people in human which surprises a 507 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.599 lot, because I mean, I mean, it's it's teeming with its squatchings 508 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.639 hill. Oh yeah, I mean you got the trees, you've got rivers, 509 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:42.000 you've got fish, I mean, deer everywhere. I mean that's just 510 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.280 made for that. Now, what was that? What was that run run 511 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.719 back to your car? Like what was going through your head at the time, 512 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.280 cal Ass, I mean that's pretty much what I was thinking, Like, 513 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.440 Okay, we're sasquatches even on your radar before this, absolutely zero. 514 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.400 No, just just say, I'm sure sure you've heard a big foot. 515 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.239 Certainly, I know what a bigfoot is. You just thought it was all 516 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.360 hogwash. I wouldn't say I was plus or minus on that, but I 517 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:15.400 wasn't concerned with it. When you live in Colorado, I mean, your 518 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:21.639 biggest fear as a mountain lion, because they're they're really they're dangerous. You 519 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.000 know, black bears. I've been nosing nose with the black bear literally knows 520 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.719 and those are the black bear and and they're not They're not a problem. 521 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.760 I mean I went out one time. I was in my underwear and it 522 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.679 was early in the morning. I'm probably not supposed to say this on the 523 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.920 show, but I'm gonna say it. So I was just trying to take 524 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.519 my trash out and my German shepherd, who always comes out with me, 525 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.920 just set this one out and he's and I thought, in hindsight, he's 526 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.559 like, yeah, something waiting on you. Yeah, you'll get it there. 527 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:58.280 Yeah. So I went to hung a left out of my door, 528 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.639 and that's right where my trash can is, and then I picked up the 529 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:06.199 lid and then the bear stood up next to it on the opposite side of 530 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.400 me, and uh, and we were probably I don't know eighteen inches apart 531 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.760 or something like that, and the bear hold ass and and I quickly retreated 532 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:22.079 back to my home. Yeah, because I didn't see that coming either. 533 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.000 It's just it's just a random moment, just a random moment in your life. 534 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.960 You know that you have. Now, I hope you don't mind me 535 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.639 saying this, but you were a little concerned about coming on the podcast. 536 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.960 You didn't want to be made fun of because don't want to be made fun 537 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.000 of because I've told the story to people, and and and you know, 538 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.239 people want to make you sound like you're crazy. That's what I wanted to 539 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.719 ask you, like, how is it really Who did you tell first? 540 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.119 And how did they react? And what's been what's been your experience being a 541 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.360 witness ever since? It took me years to really tell anyone that was of 542 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:59.519 importance because I just try to digest that, Like, I mean, all 543 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.039 right, so remember this, Like I've got to get back to this car. 544 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.960 I got to get in this car and drive these people home. That's 545 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.280 right, they're all waiting for you down there. I forgot about that. 546 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:15.239 Yeah, And I'm driving them back to town. And h one of the 547 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.280 one of the girls surgeame was Shari and she says, you find your keys 548 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.239 said, yep, that's all I said. That's all I said for like 549 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:29.679 ten minutes straight, like I just hopped in the car, drove down valley 550 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.159 and back to Aspen to drop them off. And you know, one of 551 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.280 the girls that was with us, her name was Julie and uh, anyway, 552 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.639 she was there and she's like, anyone want to have a drink? 553 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:45.400 Is like absolutely yes. I keep them going absolutely yes. Does it come 554 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.119 with a pair of extra underwear? Yeah, because us both Yeah. At 555 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.639 that point, and answer to your question, you know my story is pretty 556 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.320 boring. No, it's not. No, Like I don't know if you're 557 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:00.679 listening to the same story I'm listening to. This is great. Yeah, 558 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.119 this is fantastic. Like you saw it up close. You saw it do 559 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.280 cool things at a cool place that its probably ought not to have been and 560 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:13.679 it got caught and this is fantastic. And I totally understand your hesitation to 561 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.719 sharing because you don't want to be heckled because, as you told me before 562 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.320 we started recording, I'm just telling the truth the way I experienced it, 563 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.400 and that's it, and that's all you're gonna get. Yeah, Well, 564 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.039 that's all we ever asked for. I'm sitting, I'm talking to you online 565 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:35.320 because it's important to me to tell the truth. And what I'm trying to 566 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.519 say with this is I just want to move the needle forward a little bit 567 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:45.079 because the next person who sees it, and there's probably been hundreds and thousands 568 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.599 of people who've seen them, that won't come up. They won't say it 569 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.599 because they get ridiculed, they get made fun of in their little small town 570 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.719 or whatever. You know. Fast forward like twenty years from now, no 571 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.880 problem. All the photos are going to come out of the woodshed. Every 572 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.320 once got an uncle that had one, you know, But right now, 573 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.239 nobody's willing to go on the record. Yeah, how has it changed your 574 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.960 life having this experience? Not just like being read killed by your friends and 575 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.480 you know, little minded folks that don't want to believe what you're saying, 576 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.280 Like, but but has it changed you and your outlook on things, or 577 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.159 your relationships with the wilder people or anything like that. Well that's a big 578 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:28.239 question there, Cliff. But yeah, I mean I mean for me personally, 579 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.000 like I like to camp, I like to hike, I like to 580 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:37.639 fish, Nothing of that has changed it's never gonna happen twice say that. 581 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:38.920 You say that, well, I don't know. Man, there's people have 582 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.519 been struck by lightning more than a dozen times, and I mean by lightning, 583 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.519 not big buts. You know it can happen. I know, I 584 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.360 know several multiple time witnesses. It could happen. Again. Bubbo's not online, 585 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.559 so maybe it's not gonna happen. So well, Bubbo's got his own 586 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.960 by lightning curse. You know. Yeah, I would say in my life 587 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:04.039 hadn't changed much. I mean, I'm just I've always just been the genuine 588 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.599 person that I am. And it works for your it done. I mean, 589 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:13.480 frankly, y'all have been really cool about making me comfortable having this conversation 590 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.400 because it's not an easy conversation to have. When you when you have a 591 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.920 conversation with somebody and you can express yourself and not be judged, that that 592 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.639 that's meaningful to me. So that's important to me. So I want to 593 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.599 give you some props. Let me give you some big old, big old 594 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.719 dabs on that. So well, as I told you before we started recording, 595 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.920 like I'm an honest person, you know, and I therefore I assume 596 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.199 everybody else kind of is too, you know. Um, And I sure 597 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.559 I get I make mistakes that way. People do lie to me, and 598 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.400 I believe them, But I think that says more about them than it does 599 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.159 me, honestly, you know. And and if I'm just open and honest 600 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.800 with people, I would hope they are the same with me. And I 601 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.239 think I think you're being I'm I'm confident you're being honest with me. I 602 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.280 have no problems with that at all, And I hope that that comes through 603 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.119 in my attitude when I speak to with Certainly does it certainly does, Yeah, 604 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.440 because I know they're real. I know they're real. So jedhis tell 605 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.239 me what you saw on let's let's learn learn a little bit more about him 606 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.760 is my thought. And for me, you know, it's not like I'm 607 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:13.920 looking for validation because I've already seen it, you know. I mean, 608 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.519 you know, And that's where you know, I really enjoyed my conversation with 609 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.840 David ellis. Uh. I'm going to reference him a lot because I really 610 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.719 I respect him a lot. He deserves it. He's a sweetheart. I 611 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.480 love that guy. Yeah, he's he's a good dude. And uh, 612 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.039 and uh you know he's seen him and uh you know, and having a 613 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.800 conversation with him. I mean, he'd be the best psychiatrist you could ever 614 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.920 ask for. Just a good guy, good human being, and a good 615 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.079 soul. So if you've taken an interest to the subject now, or you're 616 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.280 like reading books and watching shows and like listen to the podcasts, always say, 617 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.159 I'm not a big footer, but uh, you know, I mean 618 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.679 trade but I mean I'd like to get more into it. But I don't 619 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:01.719 want to misrepresent myself too, because you know, my encounter was just by 620 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:08.559 chance, absolutely one hundred percent happens dance chance and uh you know, I 621 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:16.079 mean you could be the guy who studies everything out of the gate and never 622 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.679 never come in contact because they're few and far between. I just happened to 623 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:29.559 run into into that moment. The vast majority of witnesses are just are people 624 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.119 just like you, you know, who accidentally saw something they never expected. 625 00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.760 Um, and there aren't there. You know, I know a little bit 626 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.599 about bigfoots. I know a lot about the subject, a little bit about 627 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.760 the animals. I don't know if I'm an expert or not, but well 628 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.639 you're certainly more expertise than me. I certainly have a passion for the subject. 629 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.400 Yeah, and you'll have been doing y'll have been doing it for a 630 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.639 long time too, So I feel like I'm sort of cutting in line, 631 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.159 so to speak, cutting in line. I love the way you talked to 632 00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.320 man. You have some really great things to say, you know, blocked 633 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.800 out the moon or the sun. I love your stuff, and you have 634 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.440 a way with words, and it's hilarious. I love it. You paint 635 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.360 a really good picture. Yeah. Well, I mean hopefully I relieved everything 636 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.199 I could say. I mean, if you have any other questions you you're 637 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.519 certainly welcome to reach out. I think you did a great job, man, 638 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:21.440 I mean, it's just fantastic. You got the totally serendipitous events where 639 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.159 you do oh man, my keys dropped that you walked up and you found 640 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.039 your keys, which is a good thing, of course, and a sasquatch 641 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.119 happened to be there. You had this momentary standoff. It was a yet 642 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.760 but moment from God. Yeah, I like, holy smokes, right, 643 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.599 I want to give you one and raise you one exactly. I fold and 644 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:44.039 then you folded, and then you turned and ran tailed down the mountain hot 645 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.880 back in cars face planet three times, exactly three times in the snow, 646 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:54.360 I came up with snow on my face like some idiot running from the wind 647 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.280 with keys until I'm sure the big was laughing at you all the way. 648 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.800 It probably probably clapping at your your your performance all the way. It was 649 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.599 probably was like, wat's this thing. Let's let's wind him up, Let's 650 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.239 see what you can gotte. Well, that was fantastic. I love the 651 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.400 story. You have such a way with words. You're you and you can 652 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.119 just I love the way you presented everything. That's just the way it is. 653 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.800 Man's the whole attitude of you with the entire evening, like hey, 654 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.840 this is it. I don't know, that's it. That's what I saw. 655 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.280 Take it or leave it, um, and I'll take it. Man. 656 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.280 It was great. It was a wonderful report. Super cool. I've 657 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.079 been taking notes the entire time. I'm adding to this to my my database, 658 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.280 so you're gonna be added on to the twelve or fifteen hundred reports I 659 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.920 have in my database my Colorado files. A little light to be honest with 660 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.039 you, so thank you for helping me with that, and um, you're 661 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.679 just a fantastic guest. I don't know how you feel about it. Um, 662 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.400 in a way, I care, In a way I don't because I 663 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.760 know you're a fantastic guest. I hope you agree with me, and if 664 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.440 you don't, sorry, Um, people are gonna love this episode. You 665 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:58.480 say I have a ways you do? You do well? You know what? 666 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.199 I also straight dials, so shoot straight. Well, I appreciate that, 667 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.840 you know. I hope we have a chance one day to shake hands. 668 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.320 It's some boy. That'd be cool, that'd be great, that'd be 669 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.000 great. I've got I've got a couple of jobs in Tennessee. I'm gonna 670 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.880 be out there late in the year. Well, i'll be there then I'll 671 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.280 show up, all right. So yeah, hopefully next week we'll be back 672 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.599 with Bobo and Pierce. Thank you so much for coming on the show. 673 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.119 I'm sorry Bobo couldn't be here too, but I'm glad I was. You 674 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.559 have an amazing story and I think all of our listeners are going to really 675 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.719 enjoy this one. So thank you so much for your time. So okay, 676 00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.480 everybody, big Foot and Beyond land out there, all my Squatch Getier 677 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.639 friends, my bfs, my big Foot and Beyond friends, Thank you so 678 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.280 much for tuning in this week. We're gonna have another fantastic guest or some 679 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.320 something to talk about next week. Who knows what's going to go on? 680 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.039 Who knows. I don't even know, and I'm the host of this show. 681 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.119 But whatever it's going to be, it's gonna be great. I'm gonna 682 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.559 be here, hopefully Bobo is going to be here, and you'll be here 683 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.559 too. Really really appreciate you guys listening. And we've got shwag. If 684 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.360 you want a shirt or T shirt or something, go to Sasquatchprince dot com. 685 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.519 You can order them there. We have a membership section, so there's 686 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.800 gonna be an extra forty five minute US for an hour of content released on 687 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.960 this coming Thursday. I think it's Thursdays that we release these things. If 688 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.880 you are interested in that, go to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and 689 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:14.800 click membership, or just go straight to the show notes below and click that 690 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.559 link that Matt Preu will put down there. And maybe you want to be 691 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.960 a member of Bigfoot and Beyond. I mean I would, except I already 692 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.119 listened to all the shows. When I speak them on that note, we'll 693 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:31.559 talk to you guys next week and all right, dudes, keep it squatchy. 694 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.719 Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you 695 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.800 liked what you heard, please rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe to 696 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.880 Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and 697 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:50.400 Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on Twitter at Bigfoot 698 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.239 Beyond That's an end in the Middle, and tweet us your thoughts and questions 699 00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:04.360 with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond. Four