1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:16,199 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. And then I decided not to bid a 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,160 guy because then you, guys, I'm like, oh, well, she 4 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:31,719 has a guy, right, we're gonna kill Hello and welcome to Sword and 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,159 Scale Season two, episode of two sixty seven, A show that reveals that 6 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:48,200 the worst monsters are real without the endless cackling and nonsense and gossip and bullshit. 7 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:04,760 Well, I want to first thank you guys for making a lifelong dream 8 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:11,400 an actual reality for me. We made a television shot. Episode three is 9 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,239 out right now, and it is just I wish I had words for it. 10 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:21,120 It's I'm so proud of what we've done. 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There's a lot of people 20 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:27,479 here with a lot of passion working on this. Thank you. I don't 21 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:34,400 know nine one. I just go home and taking my son and the doctor, 22 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,520 and my door was open, and when I came insid and some all 23 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,000 over my house and my mom's home, and I didn't see I'm just to 24 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:45,039 see my father the way I watched I go. Okay, take a deep 25 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:52,039 press. Okay, take a deep press. Tell me do you address your 26 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,479 calleing frock. On March sixth, twenty fourteen, a young mother named Amber 27 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,680 Smith arrived back at her Michigan home to find her house had been ransacked. 28 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:07,080 There was stuff thrown everywhere. Afraid there was a burglar inside, she rushed 29 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,319 her child back to the car and called nine one one, okay, and 30 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,240 tell me, tell me what happened. I didn't like to hear what you 31 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,280 had said this morning. I just like, you know, I just went 32 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,560 off at school and I could see other one to the doctor, and I 33 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:25,520 just kept back home and my my screen door was open, and my and 34 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:29,879 my experior door was open. But my fiance is home. So I thought 35 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,039 you just looked it open. And I walked in, and I thought stuff 36 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,639 all over my counter and on the floor, and so I told my kiddo 37 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:38,479 to kid and stuff on and get back in the cook and I ran back 38 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:45,360 out looking at my phone. And so you think somebody has broke in stuff 39 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,199 everywhere, and I don't see my fiance, but I didn't want to go 40 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:53,319 further into the house. Amber was terrified. She sat in her car in 41 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:59,000 the snow, begging for help. What is your name? Amber? Okay? 42 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Amber, I'm gonna help you this, but I need you to take 43 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,680 a deepread. I'm just I'm trying to get the information crept all right, 44 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:09,360 I got you an Amber? What is your last names? Okay? And 45 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,360 so is your son's faith? Is he outside? We're both sitting in the 46 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,199 car, okay, all right? In about what time did you leave today? 47 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,959 I last about five afty seven, maybe because I had the top of 48 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,439 the store and get my other sacks to take the class with him. Okay. 49 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:33,040 And when you left, your fiance was there at the house. Yeah, 50 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,680 because the kids wanted them to come with us, and they couldn't get 51 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,240 him to wake up because he was snoring. Twenty eight year old Amber was 52 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,560 a mother of two boys, one she had with her and the other one 53 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 was at school. When she left that morning, her fiance, Trenton Mallory 54 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,920 was still asleep. And does he drive? Like I said, your vehicle 55 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:58,519 there? It was fucking cool. Okay, But you didn't see him in 56 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,079 the house, you know, So I go, I can. I can't 57 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,519 advise you to today. Amber. You need to use your own judgment. 58 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:06,279 Whatever you do, I'm going to keep you online until the officers get there. 59 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,519 Does he have any known medical issues? No? And by my partner 60 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,360 sending the officers up that way? What kind of gel are you waiting at? 61 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,720 Amber? Oh, that's a gold Chevy Malibu. Why is it always 62 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,720 a Chevy Malibu? Anyway, let's continue now. When you left the morning, 63 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,079 you said he was sleeping. He was in the bedroom. Yes, 64 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:33,920 him. Did you guys have an argument or anything? Actually, I got 65 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,000 clumsy with him. We fell asleep on the couch last night watching one of 66 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,800 our recorded shows, and we woke me up when he went to bed, 67 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,759 And then I said, I don't feel like getting up, and he's like, 68 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,439 come on, let's go sleep in the bed. And I was like, 69 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,560 okay quickly, I'm so grumpy. But it was in the morning, 70 00:05:49,680 --> 00:06:02,759 so okay, all right, O, yeah, I just I've never had 71 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:08,800 anybody in my home before. And he said the stream screen door was broke. 72 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,399 No, no, no, my two doors were open, okay to 73 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,279 the house, yes, and you know what they were closed when you left? 74 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,399 Yes, well I double checks because I had to run back inside because 75 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:29,160 I forgot my son's back back to school. Okay. Amber was too scared 76 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,399 to go inside and check on Trenton. She stayed in the car, taking 77 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:40,120 deep breaths, watching the steam from her chattering teeth rise into the cold air. 78 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,680 And there's like papers and stuff strewed about her, what you know, 79 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:48,759 like my entire cabinet like full of medicine and like where we keep all that 80 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,439 kind of stuff. It's like everywhere it's all of them telling her. And 81 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,040 then in the living room it's books on the floor. So that was as 82 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:59,879 far as I went, and I teamed back out. Amber said she'd been 83 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 trying to reach Trenton all morning. She was out and about with her two 84 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,439 boys, yeah, and I've been drinking him all morning, but I mean 85 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:10,759 sometimes he's sleeps been pretty late, so I didn't think anything of it. 86 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,160 And when is the last time he actually talked to him? This morning? 87 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:16,560 Before I left, I woke him up and told him that I was taking 88 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,839 the kids to school and taking person to a doctor. Okay, so about 89 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:26,839 what time was that? Well, what time did I get out of bed? 90 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 So I had to read about twenty after six. Amber and Trenton's five 91 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,079 year old son was visibly shaken up in the back seat, watching his mother 92 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,839 milk down. Yeah, tell the kids, tell the child the afters on 93 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,560 their way, so that the police are coming, Honey, they're going to 94 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:48,480 look and see what's going on. Okay, the one want to keep up 95 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,600 safe, right, Yeah, just go ahead and stay in your car there, 96 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,680 okay until they get there. Oh my heart's going a hundred miles an 97 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,120 hour. I can imagine. I'm sorry. I'm right here with you. 98 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:13,519 Okay, I'm calming down. Just calm down, mommy. The dispatcher instructed 99 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:18,000 Amber to drive her car down a bit so police could find her. She 100 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:24,199 backed up her car and waited, breathing heavily. The police were having trouble 101 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:30,120 finding her address with all the snowbanks, and her son was scared as she 102 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,679 tried her best to coax him down. I know, mommy's not trying to 103 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,600 be upset any Mummy's just a little bit scared right now. Okay. You 104 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,559 know when you get scared if you watch a scary movie. Well, momma 105 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,480 got a little bit scared too. But I'm a girl, so I panic 106 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:52,480 a little bit. What don't you think she'd be worried about what I'm worried 107 00:08:52,480 --> 00:09:00,279 about getting too. Finally, the police car came around the corner. Oh 108 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,559 no, I don't think you can find it. I'm gonna stand out of 109 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:09,759 my clos I waved at him to be consuming can put into my driveway right 110 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,480 now, Hey, Amber, go ahead and talk to him. I'm gonna 111 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:20,000 go ahead and just connect. Okay. When the officers and ambulance arrived on 112 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,720 the scene, they greeted a distraught Amber in her driveway. The snow was 113 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,879 piled up, and they asked her to wait in her car as they entered 114 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,519 the home. Just like Amber had described, the house was a wreck. 115 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,399 It looked like someone had haphazardly gone through every drawer, pulling out clothing, 116 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:46,360 papers, medicine and food and then just throwing it around as though they were 117 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,000 looking for something. When they reached the couple's bedroom, they found Trenton. 118 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,919 He had been shot in the back of the head and was lying under the 119 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,519 covers. When the police return to the cold winter air, they told Amber 120 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:13,360 the news there is absolutely nothing easy to say to do to make you feel 121 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,399 any better at point. So I'm terribly sorry for this. But on the 122 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:28,840 flip side of that, I'm here for I'll give you times of the EPI. 123 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:37,200 I guess, okay you but he I'm sorry. He he told them 124 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,840 as far as the time you left and said they got a good time. 125 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:50,600 Laine was right, that's what's his name? Again? Is your financiers trent 126 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:58,799 Trenton? And what does Trenton do do coke? Okay? And what did 127 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,919 you do for coke in the winter? Tiny merchandises in the summer somewhere? 128 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:11,559 Trenton was a merchandiser and a relief driver for Coca Cola. You'd been working 129 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,200 for the company for many years. He was a hard working family man who 130 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,639 loved Amber and their boys deeply. And how long have you been with him? 131 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,519 Like officially five years, but I've been we've been best friends for like 132 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:33,559 ten years. We went out his flind date and uh, is your your 133 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:39,039 fiancee? When when we do? When we're playing with it, and we 134 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,519 didn't have a date set because with Marshall, he's disabled and he gets you 135 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,159 know, SSI, and he gets child sport from his dad, and you 136 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,679 know, financially, it would have been stilly for us to get married right 137 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,720 now. So we were just kind of waiting whit Carson started kindergarten. I 138 00:11:54,759 --> 00:12:01,559 was going to try and go back to school for nursing and married. Okay, 139 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:09,360 now these both Trenton's kids, mar Marshall's. Who's Timothy Traam? You 140 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,799 told trent Or Marshall, But he wasn't Marshall's dad. They mentioned in the 141 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:18,159 Nose. He's always been there since the Dame Marshall was born. Timothy Shram, 142 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,240 I don't know Kingsley. I think he doesn't. We don't have anything 143 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,399 to do with him. Now you say you don't have anything to do with 144 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,279 him, Does he have anything to do with Trenton? In contact with each 145 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,120 other at all? They met once when tim met Marshall, the only time 146 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:43,960 he's ever met him. Trenton and Amber had met when she was pregnant with 147 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:48,720 Marshall, her first son, and he had raised the boy as his own. 148 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,559 Carson came into the family a year later. So tell me did he 149 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:58,039 Did they ask you or talk to you about Trenton's night? Night? Yeah? 150 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,279 What did you do from six o'clock PM last night? Until? Oh? 151 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:11,919 No? We ate dinner, I know, we din a little late. 152 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,879 Cat napped until about five o'clockcast today afternoon. He was really tired and 153 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,200 he got up and I was picking. Really, I'm about sleeping so long 154 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,759 because I was tired too, because Carson has spent six so he was up 155 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:28,799 all night and uh so I cooked dinner. We had spaghetti, and I 156 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,600 watched SpongeBob or Breadwinner or something like that on TV. Well, we ate 157 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:35,919 it. We told the kids we get out a picnic because they weren't feeling 158 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,720 good, and he kind of hurt my feeling as well because he didn't have 159 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:43,279 seconds. And I know he hate spaghetti, but I love it. So 160 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,639 we ate spaghetti. And then I put the kids in the bathroom when he 161 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,919 watched something on TV while I was doing that, and Carson and I played 162 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:58,120 Candy land. After he got out of the tub and the kids went to 163 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,159 bed. It was a little late, and they went to stay because I 164 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,759 know, I couldn't stand that. You know, hey, it's we pissed 165 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,519 you good time. We took them in and then we went out. Time 166 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:13,240 to men cigarette and we came in and I made some kool aid and we 167 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,559 sat down and watched our shows, but we had recorded, and we fell 168 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,720 asleep watching the last one, the Americans. We fell asleep on the couch 169 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,759 and Trent got up about I don't know. He told me what time it 170 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 was. It was like threety in the morning. He got up and he 171 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,559 woke me up. I'm sorry, but this is a lot of details, 172 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:35,879 isn't it. It's like a shocking amount of details for a woman who just 173 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,440 found out that her husband was killed. Maybe she's just nervous, But go 174 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:46,480 on amber because I fell asleep sitting up and I don't feel like going to 175 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,320 bed because I was I'm cranky when I wake up. Then he's then he 176 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,840 woke me up again and they said stop being siwassie, and he's like, 177 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,039 well, you're counna get a quick in your nick and he pulled me into 178 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:01,279 bed and carried my hand and we went to sleep. Who doesn't like Trent? 179 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:07,320 Who would be his biggest enemies? Everybody likes Trent. He's such a 180 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:18,279 good guy. Everybody likes him. Enemies, I don't think. So. 181 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,399 There's only one person in this world that we cannot stand, and that's my 182 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:28,240 mother. Talk to me about that wise man, you know her, Darlene 183 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,919 Simpson. Okay, that's wherever your name? Before she tried to get me 184 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,279 to call you when she listened to she, we won't let hers, you 185 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,480 know, have anything to do with us, because she's crazy. Amber's mother, 186 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:48,279 Darlene had a criminal history, and the two no longer spoke, but 187 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:54,120 in a small town like theirs, it was hard to completely avoid each other. 188 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:56,720 She told everybody name that Marshall dies. Like all these people she worked 189 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,960 with them stuffs so she can get money from them in time off work. 190 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:04,600 Like she told everybody that he was dead, and so we found out that 191 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:08,639 she she got a tattooed to commemorate his death, like a tattoo. I'm 192 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:12,720 like, like, not a little one, it's like this big, huge 193 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,480 like and the people that did the tattoo and told us it was for her 194 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:19,039 dead grandson, and I the said him a picture, and I said, 195 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,279 that's my son and he's very much alive. And I told her I was 196 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,360 gonna go down to her house and talk to her about it. And she 197 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,399 had all of our stuff from we went on to make a wist trip for 198 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,600 mar show because he's too little, you know, And she had all of 199 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,600 our keepsakes to mementos because she was gonna make us a scrap book. So 200 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:37,600 Trent said, wait for me. I want to come with you because I 201 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:41,480 to see myself. And we showed up there. She went't answer the door. 202 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,799 She called the cops on us. The officer noted that he'd better look 203 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:52,000 into Darlene, but he had to focus on the murder. What exactly happened 204 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,879 when Amber and Carson arrived home. I kicked off my shoes and Carsen was 205 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:03,119 taking all this stuff, and I came around the corner and I saw the 206 00:17:03,119 --> 00:17:06,240 stuff everywhere. I turned around, the sad past, and I say, 207 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:10,839 get yourself back on and go outside, just because I mean, there was 208 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,839 no reason for meds to be all over my calendar, like Trent when I 209 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,839 do that. So I guess growing up with a police officer, I was 210 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:19,440 taught to be scared of situations like that. So I just hurried up back 211 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:25,720 outside and I closed one one. And why if I were to tell you 212 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:33,880 that it's possibility okay, uh as somebody caused the deaths here, thisbody caused 213 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,880 the death to Trent. Who do you think would do such a thing. 214 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:52,039 Somebody? Trent buys and trades a lot of stuff, So there's always people 215 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:59,759 coming and going buying stuff or selling stuff. When you say buying, trade 216 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:07,200 me that parter kings. Well, everybody who knows Trent like Wilson's and they 217 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,559 call him trader Trent because he's always trading something like he wants to be the 218 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,799 next barter king, and so he's always buying stuff that he can make a 219 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,440 profit on. You know, during the slow seasons, Trenton would buy and 220 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:27,440 sell things on Craigslist and other bartering sites. Maybe someone he'd met on one 221 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,799 of these shady websites was responsible for this. What was the last thing he 222 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:40,319 saw? He treated a gun? A gun? What kind of gun? 223 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:53,519 What is a little tuppoortant Winchester, some kind named Gordon? He treated it 224 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:59,440 for a tevy that we had bought. Trenton and Amber had many guns in 225 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,960 the house and other valuables too. They kept cash on hand, but none 226 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:08,559 of that or the guns had been taken. The only thing that was stolen 227 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:17,640 was Trenton's life, which is unusual for a stranger to want to take if 228 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,480 this, in fact is homicide. If it is, I would assume that 229 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:30,400 you would shall operate to the forest. That means taking computers phones in that. 230 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:38,440 Amber was cooperative, but there was something that didn't add up with this 231 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:45,319 whole story. Listening at home, you're probably getting that sense too. Luckily, 232 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,039 she was ready and willing to be her overly chatty self with the police, 233 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,599 and she, like most women, Oh boy, here come the emails, 234 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:33,119 talked a lot more then she needed to. Thirty six year old Coca 235 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Cola worker and family man Trenton Mallory had been found shot in the back of 236 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:45,200 the head in his bedroom. Is Beyonce Amber Smith and their son Carson walked 237 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,519 into the house to find the place had been turned upside down and that Trenton 238 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:55,480 was dead. Amber said that Trenton had no enemies. The only person they 239 00:20:55,559 --> 00:21:00,880 didn't get along with was Amber's mother, who she said was nuts and had 240 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,920 been in and out of jail. Trenton also did a lot of trading online 241 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:11,039 and perhaps someone he had run into did this to him. You never know. 242 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:14,839 With the Internet, there's a bunch of weirdos out there, especially on 243 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:21,960 Reddit, just fat mouth breathing losers. You know who you are. Anyway, 244 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,119 Amber's boys were taken to Trenton's mother's house as she went down to the 245 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:37,440 police station to further help the detectives. Your relationship amazing, you know, 246 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:45,119 Gosh when commercial first Yeat's Sake, we found out what we were painted in 247 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,599 the week before that, and it was too stressful for us, like we 248 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:55,880 were two totally different people, and you know, we're going to handle this 249 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,839 dress together. So was up talking for a while, even though you know, 250 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,720 I was pregnant with Carson. And then you know, we've worked really 251 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,079 hard on our relationships since Carson's been bored and we kind of know like what 252 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,279 makes them tick, you know what I mean type thing, and you know, 253 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,319 we try not to be such selfish people, you know, like we 254 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,359 used to be, and you know it works for us. I mean, 255 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:25,160 the biggest argument we get in is, you know, he picks up Carson 256 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:32,720 incessantly, just bugs that kid and Carson hates it, and you know it 257 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:36,640 drives me crazy that he doesn't. And you know you need to leaven alone. 258 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,759 You're too hard on him. And I mean that's like the biggest fight. 259 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,880 We get it. We just don't fight because he grew up with parents 260 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,359 that fought. I grew up with parents that fought, and it was just 261 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,000 never something we wanted for our children. So you know, we'd rather not 262 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:56,279 say anything than fight. But even you know, now we've gotten past any 263 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:59,720 of that. Like I can't even move the last time we have fight. 264 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:07,799 It's just out what we do financially? All are you guys doing financially? 265 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,079 I don't really take care of it too much, but I mean it comes 266 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:14,079 and goes in the winter, and we struggling more than we gi him in 267 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,960 the summer, you know, because his hours don't work get cut. You 268 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,720 know, he makes most of his money in the summertime. Many striving side 269 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,519 love him. So how much does he mean free er? Do you know? 270 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,880 Three thirty eight issue? Okay? Does he do any other side jobs 271 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,359 or no? He just does his trading and treating, okay, And when 272 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,680 we see trading, I mean, talk to me about that. When you 273 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:42,319 may like gartering like he has a few like keys and you give me a 274 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,839 shoe. Do you know what I mean? Take? Okay? Do you 275 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:52,720 get life and trends? No? Just trend No. I think he has 276 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:55,640 a policy through his work if he gets hurt about the job. Well that 277 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,400 we don't have life insurance policies, any raise investments or anything like that. 278 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:10,160 Amber and Trenton lived paycheck to paycheck like most young couples these days. She 279 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:19,039 claimed she didn't know much about his finances. Any psychological trend uh d houseling 280 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,960 psychologists moved counseling in college a little bit, just lit onely in ms ink 281 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:33,640 and and University Anderson, India. What you study, well, I only 282 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:41,079 went for one year. I studied criminal justice and psychology. But Amber didn't 283 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:47,200 finish her degree. She partied too much and was just using college as a 284 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,119 way to free herself from her parents. There's a lot of that. If 285 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,759 you're a senior in college and haven't figured out what you want to do for 286 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,799 the rest of your life, then maybe you're one of these people. So 287 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,160 Amber dropped out and she went home. You know, I've known Trent for 288 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,880 a long time. We went on a blind day ten years ago, and 289 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000 I chased that boy and chase that boy, and you know, he just 290 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,440 didn't want anything to do with me, and you know, we were the 291 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200 greatest friends. But then I decided to go off and get engaged to somebody 292 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,759 else, and all of a sudden he was interested in me, you know, 293 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,599 so and then at that point, you know, he wasn't. He 294 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,039 wasn't at a point in his life that was okay with me. Like, 295 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,960 you know, I drank a lot, and he constantly called me for rides 296 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,839 home from the bar because he couldn't drive, or because he was going home 297 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,799 with a nasty bartender. You know. So that was our relationship for the 298 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:45,279 first four years of human and it was fine. And then Marshall came along, 299 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,599 and you know, he loves kids, like there's nothing in this world 300 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,039 that Trent ever wanted more than to be a dad. Like he just always 301 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,319 went a house for the kids. And actually we just talked about it two 302 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,759 days ago when his niece was born. How I shouldn't got my tube's died 303 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:06,880 because he left once and you know, once he started hanging around when Marshall 304 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,960 was born, you know, we realized that we know each other better than 305 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:17,599 most married couples to each other because we were best friends, and you know, 306 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,160 we tried to date, and then the stuff happened in Marshall, and 307 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,519 you know, it was just too much stressed for me, like trying to 308 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,640 deal with a dying child who I was pregnant. But then after Christen was 309 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,400 born, you know, we figured it out that they didn't start in the 310 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,640 most conventional way. Trent didn't and Amber grew together and made a little family 311 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,920 that they were proud of. You know. The first Probaut year was a 312 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,119 struggle, you know, trying to figure out how to deal with each other 313 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,000 because you know, he came from living at his parents' house until he lived 314 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:53,680 on his own with me, so you know, he was messy and inconsiderate 315 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,839 and drove me nuts, you know, and I was bossy and they drove 316 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,599 him nuts. So you know, once we figured out the dance of how 317 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,480 to live with another human being, you know, then it was great. 318 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,759 But Marshall was a sick kid. He had a heart transplant at age one, 319 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:18,640 and then the poor boy had to battle cancer. His medical issues were 320 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,000 a huge strain on the family and were something that would always be at the 321 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,200 forefront of Amber and Trenton's minds. Even now we have to take off at 322 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,720 home, so Marshall get sick, we've got to go, it would say 323 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,480 it or you know, and then we've got to find someone to take herson. 324 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,119 You know, like that's hard enough to find someone taking one camp let 325 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:42,799 alone too. You know. Medical bills piled up as the couple had to 326 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:49,240 invest in medicine and care, so Amber took to the local media to spread 327 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:55,440 the word and fundraise money to pay for her son's treatments. The media coverage 328 00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,119 worked, and the couple were able to pay for Marshall's medical bills with kindness 329 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:06,279 from strangers. They received Make a Wish trips and other forms of charity to 330 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:10,920 help Marshall live an exceptional life. But it was all experimental medicine, so 331 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,599 it was you know, everything had to be paid for by us. You 332 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:18,799 know, insurance companies don't want to foot a bill that is an FDA approved. 333 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,279 But it had been hours since Amber had found out that Trenton was dead, 334 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,400 and now that she had calmed down a bit, they had to ask 335 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:42,839 a couple of tough questions because you guys just said that it's dead, and 336 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:48,279 it was a home side between somebody else did it, and the only thing 337 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:53,079 I can think about is how it's just to live my life without him. 338 00:28:53,319 --> 00:29:00,519 Oh my good sister's few. I imagine if you said this, somebody got 339 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,920 into the safe, then they took their money, you know which, whatever. 340 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720 But I don't know why anybody would hurt trent because if they needed the 341 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,960 money that I've had, you're just getting to them. Amber and Trenton had 342 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,960 a safe with about eight hundred dollars in it and some guns in the house, 343 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,599 but nothing was touched. And it sounds like this, you know, 344 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,640 offense or something like this. You always look first inside out. Okay. 345 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,960 What that means is his circle friends, his circle family is We're going to 346 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,960 do a full it's called victimology, a full victimilic. We know everything we 347 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,680 want to know about turn okay, and that's what I'm asking you for. 348 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,920 So you said the cases using inside outs, So you look at families first, 349 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,319 okay, and you eliminate you just keep working your way out, right, 350 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,200 you understand that, okay. So, and I'm lying to if I 351 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,519 didn't tell you that, you know, we do have to look at you, 352 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Okay. Everybody's a suspect. Right, I'm gonna ask you had any 353 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:02,640 part or just play any part whatsoever in trying this step. It's your job 354 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,759 inside. Okay. So let's say, let's say our first level. So 355 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,599 we know that the kids didn't do it right, okay, and you're saying 356 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:15,519 that you had so that one was her nice love? Well does he hang 357 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:23,839 out with anybody ones? Amber continued to sniffle and cry as she recounted all 358 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,160 the happy days she had with trenton the little things about their relationship, like 359 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,200 how he would call her bossy, or that she was always running a little 360 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:40,960 late for work and she'd make his coffee and lay out his uniform. Happy 361 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:47,880 little memories float out of her between the tears. Then the detectives honed in, 362 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:59,880 did are you curious? So there's several different ways that I was like 363 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:08,079 to Kirk, correct, would you agree? So? So he was shot, 364 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,240 but it appears that he was sleeping or this heard so this means it 365 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,000 just looks it a little bit hot. Okay, do you see what I'm 366 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:25,599 saying? So let's break down everything, all right, So I gotta, 367 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:27,759 I gotta, I gotta look this, look at this one in Texas way, 368 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,680 Okay, Well, broad dahead hoops the middle door. Right, there's 369 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:40,319 a truck parked in the driveway. Okay, the door's opens, right, 370 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:48,359 and then all of a sudden a person is shot in his sleeps say something 371 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:53,759 on to anybody killing another persons on to me? Sure it didn't happen sometimes 372 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,559 not around here? Well, right, I understand that, but it does 373 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,519 have some But I'm saying, you take all those variables and put them intal 374 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,839 into the basket. You look at it some kind of odd, right, 375 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,640 because I think, how then would somebody know that you're not there? How 376 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,079 would they know that nobody can? Would may have a Trump Park players, 377 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:20,079 you have to assume that somebody's there, right, So I guess what I'm 378 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,160 trying to say is that it's you know, there's there's several things that can 379 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,839 happen or something like this. Okay. One is that you could have done 380 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:31,400 it, right, I'm just saying you could have paid to have somebody to 381 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,240 do it for you. I'm just just I'm just talking these are variables that 382 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,440 we have to look at, okay, or it's just some random random chance 383 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,200 to act that this occurred, and up here with something like this, it's 384 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,079 just not random. So there's there's got to be a reason, okay, 385 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,160 and you know, so let's let's dive into reasons. Reasons would be a 386 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,519 drug deals on bad. Somebody owns somebody a lot of money and they're not 387 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,359 paying it. Right. Is there anybody in your family, anybody that trembles 388 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,880 money to the you don't know about it. I need to know any dark 389 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,680 secret that you or him may have. I don't know, I mean the 390 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:19,119 dark secrets. We don't have any. Okay. So Amber swore there were 391 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,720 no secrets, nothing hidden beneath the surface. But the detectives knew more. 392 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:35,319 Sorry little testing ask the same question, okay, would you want to say 393 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480 you want? And how do you think you were doing that test? I 394 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,599 think iming to just fine. I was with my kids. I mean, 395 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:52,799 I've never heard trim have cancers. Question. And with that the detective left. 396 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:59,279 Amber sat quietly, sniffling and hugging herself in her winter coat. Minutes 397 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:07,680 past and then the detective came back. You know, we had two, 398 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:12,360 possibly three witnesses now and didn't I see anybody going to to that house or 399 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:17,400 any car into that driveway? I don't know what tell you? I mean, 400 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,960 how can we explain that. But I mean, I'm just telling you 401 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,880 we have two possibly three saying no, we didn't see any cargoing to that 402 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,000 drive or anybody go into that house. I don't know how to explain that, 403 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,079 right, So who can possibly do this? No idea. Things were 404 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:45,679 not looking so good for Amber. Yes, she had an alibi that checked 405 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,159 out, going to the drug store, dropping her child off at school, 406 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,679 going to her stepsister's house, and then back home. But no one had 407 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,880 seen a single car or person go into the house. But day Trenton was 408 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,159 murdered, Amber said the couple had no secrets, but that just wasn't true 409 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:16,559 months ago. There's me tell me about that. What happened there? I 410 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:20,559 don't know. I guess we got wind other payments and we had worked out 411 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,199 an arrangement to pay them. But they report it anyway, and I decided 412 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,400 to be ternatic and say that I was gonna kill myself over it, just 413 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,920 because Marshall had to get to the doctor. And it was quite the situation. 414 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,559 I felt like a dumb mass afterwards, but it was what it was. 415 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,119 So they took the car and we got the car back. So okay, 416 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,719 well we start killing your stuff. What were you doing maybe? How 417 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,320 was it? Did you a gun? Yeah, there was a gun in 418 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,880 the house, but there's a lot I know, I'm tends to big hunter. 419 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,679 I don't hunt so Okay. Actually taught me how to shoot before ten 420 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,960 the other day the little one that he had shoated and that was exciting for 421 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:04,119 me. Amber's car had been repossessed because a couple had fallen behind on payments. 422 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:09,679 Then there was another money issue that the police just couldn't ignore. The 423 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:30,960 just recently without text me why directly to the storms that would it was cash? 424 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:51,119 I don't understand that right levering store one took care you. Not only 425 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:55,719 had Amber written bad checks and had her car repossessed, but she had been 426 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,639 aggressively flirting with other men on Facebook. How well do you know Ryan Hunter? 427 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,559 N Are used to read them. I used to work with him a 428 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:15,519 walnut Okay. I loved you know she did. I didn't work there. 429 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,000 Okay. And what was the last time you contested them? Turn and I 430 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,199 saw the other day going into service three works but we went seeing them to 431 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:32,079 him, I talked to him. Marshall was hospitalized and I talked to him. 432 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:45,440 Then that was two thousand. It was the last time him we talked 433 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,559 on Facebook. Maybe it was twenty telve, I don't know. It was 434 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,639 a couple of years ago when it was my marshal I was hospitalized. All 435 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,480 right, well it was actually it was sixty eight months ago. Yeah, 436 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:01,960 you're specifically asking the spot excuse me, and we have those six months ago. 437 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:08,480 That's correct, And actually in those messages had expressed the fact that that's 438 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:15,760 just something you do, maybe for in the process of getting those he read 439 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,320 them off to me last night and two in the morning. Was anyone else 440 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,920 really stunned by the detective saying asking him to fuck? That was quite a 441 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:32,760 shocker. Amber was looking worse and worse. Then they told her that if 442 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,480 her DNA just happened to be on any of the bullets, she would be 443 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,559 in big trouble. When I'm asking you said the question, all right, 444 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,719 hey, there may be a lot of excuse me, a lot of twenty 445 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,679 two shells in your house, all right, but is that twenty two shells 446 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,199 the one that we had? Okay, potentially, as he's singing in DNA 447 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,639 on that shell exactly to come back to you, you better be absolutely certainly, 448 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:05,119 because I'm telling you right now, but what you're seeing is not necessarily 449 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,440 true. Okay, Okay, So I mean is there I just need a 450 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:15,239 way to explain away that I can explain it for you. Well, why 451 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:22,119 is that my answer? Yeah, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is 452 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,840 I did not shoot. Try so based on what we am when we talk 453 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,880 about your cell phone, when we talk about eyewitnesses, all right, and 454 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,400 we're talking about true evidence. Based on that, I'm telling you there's no 455 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,119 doubt whatsoever that you're involved in this, no doubt. There are two reasons. 456 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,760 And I tried to explain that a little bit too yesterday about it being 457 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,760 two reasons. One it's a person that is just caught in the middle of 458 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,920 something that did something that's not supposed to that they would not normally do and 459 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,440 just snapped, okay, or a person who's just simply psychiatic. Okay, 460 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,199 all right. So when we talk about this, when we talk about this, 461 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,239 we're talking about something that are two totally different people, right, and 462 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,480 now we're trying to understand it. Right Who you are? All right? 463 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,960 I tell you in a situation and I'm telling you right now that the evidence 464 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,440 for here is not is not going away it's only getting stronger. All right. 465 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,320 Did you have anything to do with this? All right? Did you 466 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000 have any knowledge that this was occurring? Okay? And I'm telling you right 467 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,239 now that that's not true. Amber was adamant about the details of her whereabouts 468 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,559 that day and that she had nothing to do with the crime. But the 469 00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:34,079 evidence was stacking up against her. You see. Not only had her car 470 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,960 been repoded and she was writing bad checks, but Amber had started to gamble. 471 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,440 At first. She and Trenton would go to the casino together Amber one 472 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,559 big one evening and thought that was her ticket to financial freedom. Of course, 473 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,199 if you have more than three brain cells, you know that's a really 474 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,360 dumb thing to think. But Amber thought it, and she kept going. 475 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,880 She hit the casino alone, and when she wasn't there, she'd be gambling 476 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,880 on her phone at night. By the time Trenton was dead, she'd racked 477 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,920 up twenty five thousand dollars in gambling debt, all in her husband's name. 478 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,079 As the police continued digging in, they found out that the couple's house was 479 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:30,599 about to be foreclosed. Amber had been taking out payday loans with a three 480 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,639 hundred percent interest rate. They were swimming in debt, but it was all 481 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,840 falling under Trenton, under his name, under his credit. The debts were 482 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,880 all in his name, but Amber was the one who kept mounting it on 483 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,320 with her gambling. The police let her go. They didn't have enough to 484 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,400 arrest her, at least not yet, but they were looking into her. 485 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,760 She was the closest to Trenton, the only one in his life who had 486 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,559 a reason to need him gone. But then again, without him, her 487 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:16,159 children had no father, and she had no support system or family. There 488 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:22,239 was no life insurance or cash out on either. Would she really have done 489 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:29,000 this to the love of her life. As the weeks passed and the snow 490 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:37,599 started to melt, Amber's stepsister found something in her driveway that would seal Amber's 491 00:42:37,800 --> 00:43:15,599 fate. Twenty eight year old Amber Smith had come home to find her house 492 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:22,559 ransacked and her fiance shot in the back of the head while sleeping. At 493 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,840 first, the police felt bad for Amber, but as they began their investigation, 494 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:34,360 her entire story seemed suspicious and they thought that Amber was involved. Not 495 00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,719 only was nothing of value stolen from the home, but Amber and Trenton were 496 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:45,639 having major money troubles, and that always spells bigger problems. Amber had become 497 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,719 addicted to gambling and had racked up almost twenty five thousand dollars in debt, 498 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,840 and their finances were buckling beneath them. Bad checks, high interest payday loans, 499 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:05,599 and foreclosures were mounting. However, Amber was the one handling the finances, 500 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,840 someone who should have never touched the finances to begin with. Besides Trenton 501 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,519 being the breadwinner and everything being in his name, Amber was in charge of 502 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:22,079 the spending. She was good at it, so the cops were on to 503 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,639 Amber. Her story was sketchy and she'd lied about their money issues. She 504 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,400 cried during her interviews, but the sniffles were empty. Still, without DNA 505 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:38,280 evidence or a confession, they couldn't arrest Amber, so she was released. 506 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:45,079 March turned to April, and heavy snowbanks began to slowly melt. That's when 507 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:52,239 Amber's stepsister walked outside and saw something odd in her driveway. It was a 508 00:44:52,519 --> 00:45:00,039 long brown thing in the snow. She got closer and noticed it's a gun, 509 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:07,239 the kind Trenton had been murdered with. Remember Amber had said that she 510 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,719 stopped by her sister's house on the day Trenton was killed, so her step 511 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,760 sister called the police and they miked her up and had her call Amber. 512 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:30,639 Oh hey, where you are? Okay, I need to talk to you 513 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:36,360 like it's really important and I need to talk to you. Okay, where 514 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:45,639 are you? I need to talk to you? O my pone or yea. 515 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,039 I went up to Mike's house and when I was leaving there, I 516 00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:01,159 noticed something in a stomach. And when I and I no I played very 517 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:06,639 yesterday, I was gonna stop at myself three and talk to it. You 518 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,880 put the gun in the yard. I just I just thought it because I 519 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,679 wanted something for all protection. Sure, Oh I wanted to say something, 520 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:23,079 No I did. I tried to call you twice three times yesterday. Can 521 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:30,039 I tried to call my cell phones here twice? Oh god, no, 522 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,639 I mean I tried to call because this here's the ship out of all No. 523 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960 No, no, I understand that. And I tried to call you 524 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:43,840 this morning too. I was trying to say artund so longford, waiting to 525 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,760 get hold of you so I could get home. I'm not the eye on 526 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:52,599 waiel. Okay. Well, I was just thinked out because it looked all 527 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,000 to do with it. I didn't touch it. Okay, are you kidding 528 00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,960 me? I didn't know. I mean it looks I like to look, 529 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,639 it's like a lot like the gun that they had a picture of that they 530 00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:07,920 said told you they said there was a gun, missy. And I will 531 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,960 just shake, you know, freakd right out. Oh no, I try 532 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,599 to get a hold of you. Gotta say, I think the stepsister is 533 00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:22,960 doing an excellent job here on this call. It's very believable. It's okay, 534 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,000 it just you know, it just freaks me out. I mean it 535 00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:31,559 just it looks like it's been there a while, and you know, I 536 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,440 don't I just my right brain is just dranger right now. It's just like 537 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,239 I said, it's just to find it there and it looks like it's you 538 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,880 know, just the snowe halted or something. I just sheer being like, 539 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,679 all right, I mean I didn't know, you know, so many time 540 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,119 to me up. What's going on? You know? Oh gosh, no, 541 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,960 you're a boy. Bring all along. You're well if you could go 542 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:06,159 like right to like and get it, because it just gotta get out of 543 00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:14,519 there. No, I agree, all right, you're headings, Yeah, 544 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:19,480 okay, thank you. Amber said she'd be right over and the police were 545 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:23,280 waiting at her stepsister's house, sticking out the scene to see if she grabbed 546 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:30,440 the gun just in time. She rolled up in her Chevy Malibu, but 547 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,800 the cops had already taken the weapon out of the snow and into their possession. 548 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:43,079 Exees, I'm recordings coming back to her car. The police watched as 549 00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,360 Amber shuffled around the snow bank looking for the gun. She hadn't in her 550 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,880 car. Yep, she is go, go, go go. Then Amber 551 00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,480 called her stepsister back and tried to make up a story as to why the 552 00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:00,400 gun was no longer there. Listen carefully well less understood what he said to 553 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,880 me, I would buying a gun from a person named Snow and asked them 554 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,840 to meet me at myself. Definitely something to start my gun in your bank? 555 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,440 So you were going to meet somebody at Mike's house to buy it? 556 00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:21,360 Well, and if what I said today instead of yesterday, I respected, 557 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,639 I get ahold of Mike because I figured that way, I wasn't all alone. 558 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,960 I I just I am. I just don't I am so I don't 559 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:37,599 even don't think right now, I just I don't know. I just feel 560 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:44,039 like I'm just in such a shitty position. I'm pissed. I I just 561 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:50,239 don't I just don't get this. Absolutely, I just don't get this. 562 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,760 Saw I don't either. I Ember tried to say she was meeting a guy 563 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,559 named Snow to buy a gun to preten not that she left it in the 564 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:07,199 snowbank. Okay, Amber, whatever you say. I love you, but 565 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:14,840 I mean, did you you didn't do this? Did you? Glue Burgan? 566 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:16,440 I said, I love you, but you didn't do this? Did 567 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:20,679 you? Are? Well? I mean, I don't you got a dog 568 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,719 where I'm coming from here? This is just scary as ship and I I 569 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,800 just I'm just falling party. I just don't understand all this. I don't 570 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:37,559 know stand anywhere. But no, I'm gonna do it. Okay, Well, 571 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:39,679 I'm gonna go try and pull myself together. But I just I just 572 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:49,000 needed to talk to you, so I know, I don't know. I 573 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:55,159 guess hopefully we'll get some answers here. So so that would be the hope. 574 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,559 When the police directly confronted Amber about the gun in the driveway, the 575 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,280 walls began to close in on her. Would your sister tell you about the 576 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:14,320 gun on the driveway? Anything? So you don't have any idea because it 577 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,599 appears to maybe the same gun that we're looking for. That's what she told 578 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:24,840 me. It's interesting that I end up in your sister's driveway. Interesting, 579 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,519 don't you think we I think we probably need to talk about this a little 580 00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:36,599 bit. Don't you remember what I told you before last time, when we 581 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,199 when we ended our conversation about the truth and how the truth is always going 582 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,800 to come back and we're going to figure it out. Yes, well, 583 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,239 this is the point right now, your story start. Okay. We've told 584 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,440 enough things that are path truths, untrue and just flat out lies at this 585 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:57,639 point that they're all coming back to bite you. I didn't do anything, 586 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,039 Well, it's not. It's not working out that way, Amber, and 587 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,639 you can you can continue to deny that, but that we know that's not 588 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,760 the truth. We've now collected the murder weapon that killed your fiance out of 589 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,800 your sister's driveway. Okay, and that where do you think that is? 590 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,000 Right now? I have no idea. That's at the labby and process for 591 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,800 a lot of different things, a lot of different trace evidence stuff. Okay, 592 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,920 it's all going to come back to you. It's all already coming back 593 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,800 to your story that you told us is falling apart in the midst of all 594 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960 this that's coming apart. I told you that's what's going to happen. Did 595 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:37,880 I not? I did? Amber had painted herself into a corner, and 596 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,920 she had no more lies on her sleeve, no more sob stories to throw 597 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,639 out, no more ways to make herself the victim. The gun was being 598 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,280 processed, she was toast gigs up. We don't We're not looking for anybody 599 00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:00,639 else. We've found our person, and here she is. And we've given 600 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,840 you the opportunity to tell the truth again and again and again, and you 601 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,840 refuse to do so because you're only thinking of yourself. You're not thinking of 602 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,519 those kids. There two things that mean the most humless life. You're not 603 00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:19,440 thinking about You're only thinking about you. I'm trying to think about them. 604 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,119 There were no other tire tracks in her driveway. They connected Amber to the 605 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:30,440 murder weapon. The hard evidence was smacking Amber right in the face, and 606 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:35,360 yet she did not crack. Is this what we're gonna do all day? 607 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:47,400 We're not going away, I just said. But again, they still couldn't 608 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,480 arrest her without the lab results. If Amber's prints were on the bullet or 609 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:58,559 the gun. That's it. She'd be done for game over. The police 610 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:04,159 were so close, so they brought her in one more time, and like 611 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,159 a good, bold faced psychopathic liar, she showed up and took the emotional 612 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:15,079 battery. You hold the explanation as to why. Yeah, I guess that's 613 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,719 your opinion. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Disappointed. In fact, 614 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,840 the gun, the bullet that was entrench head belong to that gun. 615 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:28,320 That casing that we found the house belongs to that gun. You were positioned, 616 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,079 that guy. You took a picture on your phone with that gun, 617 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000 and you the gun in the snowback. It doesn't get any more crew than 618 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:45,800 that. Not do just getting any more. Cree that right now. Amber, 619 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,079 You're just a cold blot of killer, that's what you are. Who 620 00:54:53,119 --> 00:55:00,000 shot her fiance Innesley never saw it. Come say who we are? So 621 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:07,639 what are you? We know you're not just agrieving fiance, are you? 622 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:15,480 That's not what you are? I described the essentially from telling you a movie 623 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:25,039 on there read everyone thought Amber did it. Everyone, the cops, me, 624 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,280 you listening at home, even Trenton's mother who had loved Amber like a 625 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:37,519 daughter. There was absolutely no other explanation. The theory was that Amber got 626 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:43,000 up that morning, packed her kids in the car, and then ran inside 627 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:49,719 and shot Trenton while he slept. Then she took the gun with her on 628 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,920 her errands to create an alibi, and in the end dropped the weapon in 629 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,679 the snowbank at her sister's house, knowing it would be concealed for at least 630 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:06,119 a month in the cold. As for the why, all the debts were 631 00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:12,079 in Trenton's name and the couple wasn't married yet. If she killed them, 632 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:19,760 then the debt would also die. That's the thinking inside her noodle. That's 633 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,119 how simple it is. That's how dumb it is. Criminals are not smart 634 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:29,599 guys. In her mind, she thought she'd end up as a grieving widow, 635 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,719 able to fundraise her way out of debt with her newfound misery. Victimhood 636 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:43,000 these days pays a premium. After all. The plan was pretty solid actually, 637 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:50,119 as long as Amber stuck to her story. But the bullets matched the 638 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:58,199 gun and she was busted with science. Amber went a trial for Trenton's murder 639 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,519 in October of twenty fourteen. She was arrested in the spring of twenty fourteen, 640 00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,880 and by the fall she was facing the courtroom and the jury. Amber 641 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,159 sat sadly in her pink t shirt, barely looking up. During the trial, 642 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,559 it was hard to know what she was thinking, so she had no 643 00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:24,079 expression on her sullen face. As the litigators went over every one of her 644 00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:30,159 missteps in great detail, showing the video of her digging for the gun in 645 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,559 the snowbank. It took the jury less than an hour to find her guilty 646 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,239 of premeditated first degree murder. Amber will be in prison for the rest of 647 00:57:40,360 --> 00:58:17,079 her life without the possibility of parole. The entire time that Amber was grilled 648 00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:22,719 by police, they kept telling her to think of her family, think of 649 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:30,199 her sons, think of anyone except yourself. Amber. Amber's very sick child 650 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:37,079 had been through enough in his short life. He had battled cancer and a 651 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:43,199 heart transplant, and now his father was dead and his mother was going to 652 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,280 prison. When Amber was doing her media circuit to raise money for Marshall's treatments, 653 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,760 she said something almost psychic about the strength of her boy. Maybe he 654 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,320 was put here to teach the world a lesson that, you know, if 655 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,440 he can go through all of this and be happy then what are we all 656 00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:07,199 complaining about. We don't know if Marshall is happy, or his brother for 657 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,039 that matter, but we do know that they have the love and support of 658 00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:17,199 Trenton's family to keep them thriving. As if Marshall hadn't been through enough, 659 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:23,480 his own mother, the woman who was supposed to protect him from harm and 660 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:31,440 love him forever, cast the greatest darkness onto her own child instead. Ember 661 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:39,039 is a cold hearted killer, and she is right where she belongs for eternity. 662 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,079 Well that's gonna do it. Buy some merch swordskill dot com stay safe, 663 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:09,000 right, So, I notice you're up in your tears, But what's 664 01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:17,599 going on? Are you taking tiers away from five dollars tiers subscribers? Because 665 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:22,840 I noticed there was a lot of shows that you are having on there, 666 01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:32,719 but they're not on the regular tier feed. So what's going on? I'm 667 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,199 just trying to I mean, what's going on? 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