Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willishure host and we
have a great show this evening for you. We have US Congressman timber Chet
who's been a real champion for the UFO UAP legacy and the government transparency and
so I did a pre record with him. I could not get him live
for this show, but I settle for second best pre record that I did.
It's about thirty five minutes long after that gets over, Dean Alioto,
my friend out in la is going to be joining us. We're going to
go over the interview and then we're going to calls from the audience. So
we'll put that number up for those people who are listening live. And this
week for a blog, we have a nineteen sixty eight UFO landing and trace
case from Gleason Arizona. That's a well researched case that Charles Leo did.
As always he does great work. He's coming out with a new book,
by the way, I don't have the working title for that yet, but
within the next month or two, I believe he's coming out with a new
book. Always great stuff from Charles lear And speaking of trace evidence, got
a contacted from a friend of the show, Dave Altman, and he is
looking for people. He's with an organization that he's looking for people that have
had et experience of some kind and have any type of evidence. I know
that's a real tricky one. I thought of Julie Olsen who's been on this
show that had things in her driveway after an event back in the sixties or
seven nineteen eighties it is. But anyway, that email address is see the
letter C. Sanders UFO Show at gmail dot com. I will put that
in the show notes and down as well in the YouTube text down below.
So I'm going to get started and I'll see you as I will be in
chat for those of you who are watching live, and I will see you
after this interview. And here we go. There he is, Yes,
sir, Yes, I've seen that background before. Tim. Welcome to the
show. Thank you, Thanks for having me brother. It's a real pleasure
and it was really nice meeting you. I was kind of impressed that you
said you knew of my show, you know, a longtime show when we
met this July. Yes, sir, well, I keep up with black
minded folks and I keep up with some of my enemies, you see my
friendly sword, and when we met, it was it was good, good
to finally connect. Yes, thank you. And if it's okay if I
ask you this, have you had an interest in the UFO topic for Was
this something that you had prior to, uh, you know, becoming a
congressman? Yeah? Probably since I'm fifty nine. I'd say when I was
about six or seven, maybe as a weird kid, you know, I
was always reading about stuff. And you go to the library or the library
as some of the good old boys call it, like the Holly Park,
but we would and they'd have these books set out, you know, for
young kids to look at, you know, and it was just and maybe
it wasn't for young kids, I don't know. It had something on Bigfoot
and had something on UFOs, and I just thought, well, that's pretty
cool. I picked one of those up, and of course I looked at
the pictures and then started reading the stories and found out about Roswell of Mexico
nineteen forty seven, and you know, and I I just and I had
a I have a notebook where I would take clippings. It's before the internet,
newspapers or magazine clippings of you know, is this a UFO? You
know? And then you go through spells in the seventies where people claim they
see these, you know, UFOs and things, and I mean, I
never did a buddy of mine. Three me and two other my buddies.
One of them is dead. Now I actually grew up with. We were
on top of a it was what a mountain. It was a water tower
that was buried, but it was at the top of this hill and we
slept on top of it. You know, your kids, you didn't do
much sleeping. And saw this ring in the sky and it was just and
we walked we've kind of all woke up, and we looked and we saw
this thing and what it was was a We're in a few miles from the
from our Air Force base, obviously, and it was actually a jet the
afterburners doing that. But but still, you know, and then and you
know, and I knew about Roswell and things like that. And I used
to have a after college. I had a little truck and trailer business,
remember, And I was putting a trailer ditch on this guy's jeep and he
had his license tags for New Mexico and I said, hey, I said
you know, you know where Roswell is and he said, sure, for
the big UFO. And I said, you know anything about the UFO thing,
and he said, he said, I do. He said, my
father was in the Army Air Corps and you know, and people say that
I was an Air Force. Well, it was the Air Corps before it
was the Air Force. And of course daddy fought in the Pacific. My
mama flew an airplane during the Second World War. So I knew this guy
was, you know, on the right trajectory. And he said, you
know, his dad had worked there at the base and and he stated that
it was they always had heard that it was two different crafts and collided in
the air. Anyway, pretty interesting details that that. I that always struck
me, and I've always remembered that conversation. But fast forward to Congress.
I'm walking down the street and the a guy had a camera, you know,
and cameras to politicians are like magnets to steal, he said. And
it was a buddy of mine. He does he works for TMZ of all
things. And he said, hey, about that new report coming out on
UFOs Tim And I said, I said, yeah, it's going to have
more holes in it than Swiss cheese. I said it'll be. I said,
oh no, it's going to be a big one. This is the
one I said it won't be. I said, listen, more people believe
in UFOs than believe in Congress. And that was one of the big quotes
they picked up. Ended up putting it on a T shirt. I sell
it on my website. But then and so I started getting calls from people,
you know, and I I end up meeting Lewis Alzondo and yeah,
I mean just just the whole crew, everybody you see on every TV show
I've met with, and and some of them, some people I've met with
prefer not to be mentioned, you know. And and I've been to the
basis to talk to people and been we were turned away, you know.
And yeah, it's just a it's just very frustrating to me. And I've
said, look, it's not necessarily about little green men and space officers.
It's about tens of millions of year dollars paid into something to research something that
they claim does not exist since nineteen forty seven. And I infuriates me as
a taxpayer and as a as a member of Congress. And we need to
and that needs to be a dry And I've started pushing that more because it
broadens the net past all of us that you know, and a lot of
these people have been discouraged and called names, and I have, and I
been seeing the push polls about you know, Tim Burchant, he's he's he's
always talking about these little green men. Who cares about that? Well,
who cares about tens of millions, if not billions of dollars from a pentagon
that is lot that literally has lost a half a trill or account for I
should better say a half a trillion dollars and asked a half a trillions.
It's not even imaginable. Yeah, it's a or it's a good old boy
say it's unfathomable. It's actually unfathomable. But you know and so, and
I'm not making fun of good old boys because I am one. Yeah,
Well, to put in perspective, you know, uh, half a trillion,
because a trillion, if you counted to a trillion, it would take
you thirty thousand years, day and night. And I bring that up because
a lot of people can't picture that amount of money. And it's just so
it take fifteen thousand years, day and night to count to half a trillion,
you know, which is really quite quite amazing if you think of it
in that in that term, I've had some people that wrote in some questions.
I thought they were pretty good. You mentioned Lou Elizondo just a few
minutes ago, and he had mentioned and I wondered if he had ever or
you ever heard about this twenty three minute video that he claims will be very
telling that maybe coming out at some point. Have you ever heard about that?
I have, I have? Is there anything you could say about that?
Or well, I'll let Lou if it needs to be said. I
don't want to. Yeah, there's quite a few things out there that I
wish and that is one of them that I wish. I wish we could
get get out because apparently it has some pretty good proof, you know,
as if you remember Gordon Cooper, one of our original I think Apollo Astronauts
hed. I mean, the guy's a hero. He doesn't have to brag
about anything. I never bring up anything about UFOs. But you know there's
a video of him and I've seen it. It's on YouTube. It talks
about he talks about how a craft came in at one of the places and
the landing gear came out and it landed and then and I can't remember the
whole story, but they videoed it and then they called. They took it
to I think right Patterson or as they say, right pat and then they
called the next day to make sure they got it and they said, we
don't know what you're talking about it about, and you know, so anything
that's out there being destroyed, and right, I wonder about that a lot
of times. You know, when Kirkpatrick says, you know, we don't
have the data and stuff like that, well, I know if I looked,
just like to bring up one circumstance alone, and that is the tic
TAC event when that when that Hawkeye landed on the aircraft Carrea, they remove
the data bricks of what they what they captured, and those data bricks were
picked up and taken away. So when he says there's no data available,
which brings me to another question from from a listener, and that is,
let's see, do you think that aa ro Kirkpatrick, our government sanctioned disinformation
campaigns. Do you think that's a possibility. I get people call me all
the time with which I think is disinformation. But here's the difference. You
have people that are knowingly lying, but you have people that have been told
things and have shown things that are possibly false so that they will leak them
to the public and leaked them to people like me to discredit the whole the
whole cause. And that's I don't go forward with stuff when I get it
because AI unless I see it, unless I hold it, and with AI
and everything else out there, now, to me, it's all suspect.
But I don't have to. I don't have to have proof about something I
believe. I have faith. It's kind of like you know, the scientists
always tried to disprove the Bible, and they say, burt it, how
can you believe the Bible? And you know, I can bring you a
scientists in that can say it can prove my what I think. But the
reality is I live by faith and I have faith that something there's more than
us out there. I go out and I talk about it every time,
and I apologize if you heard me say this, but every night I take
my dogs out to go to the bathroom, and if there's there's stars in
the sky, I look up at them and I just can't imagine, but
the light from those stars literally left there before the time of Christ. Yeah,
now, in God's vast universe, are we the best that He can
can do? And every society, every religion. I'm a Christian, not
a very good one, but you know, I read the Bible. I
talk about Ezekiel saw the wheel, and in the First Genesis one God created
the heavens and the earth the heavens. And so I just and I don't.
I don't fear it. I answered to have a little higher calling than
that, but I I and so I just I don't. I don't worry
too much about all that. I I just want the government to be more
forthcoming with what they have and good part Oakristian National Laboratory backs up to my
district. I don't live there, but I have like over six thousand people
that worked there. During the Second World War, they had over two thousand
people there working on the atomic bomb, and less than twelve of those people
knew what they were working on. Husbands and wives, brothers and sisters,
moms and dads, grandparents, they didn't know because it was compartmentalized. And
that's exactly what this thing is. And the people that knew that had all
the paces to put together. Most of them are long gone, they're dead,
right, Yeah. And I've always wondered about the generational type of situation
to you know, how that gets the whoops you there till you there there
got out on me that again? Yeah, I see you. Uh No,
I've always wondered about, you know, the generations, when the generations
move on, how this gets handled through compartmentalized type of situations. Yeah,
you know, I think that they through the compartmentalization and that is a boy
design, and that it is handed off to private contractors who have quasi governmental
relationship to where people like me and the press and you cannot foy you then,
which is foyer is freedom of information. And it's that way by design
they can put that off there. They can be analyzed in something, whether
it be real or fall or something created in the lab, or something that's
extraterrestrial, and they don't know it and it's been so compartmentalized. All they're
doing is analyzing something. They don't know where it comes from, that it's
not came from, it's not their business. They don't care. They just
want to know its properties, why it does, what it does. And
if you say you had a saucer or some craft, it's it. I
mean the technology is like if I'm a motorcycle guy, So if I took
an old heart that I collect old motorcycles, I got forties and fifties and
old stuff. But say I brand new motorcycle back to the may Flower.
You know, they come over here and they find them a Harley Sportster on
the beach. I mean, it's just gonna be a bright, shiny object.
They're not going to know how to make gaps. They might get it
started, but it'd be very rarely they could fix it, very rare that
they could drive it for sure. They would not have put air in the
tires. I mean they're all they're not even carbureted anymore. They don't even
have screwdrivers. You know. They wouldn't have you fast forward to something that's
light years away or enter you know. And now that's the talk of this
interdimensional stuff. And I don't get all that. Okay, I'll tell you
one quick story. Yeah, I'm kind of bondish, but I was I
was told that by some folks in DC, that some folks wanted to meet
with me, and I said, great, tell them to call Denise.
Set it up. I meet him here whatever at the office. And they
said, now, they don't want to come up here, and I said
okay. They said they'd rather come to your house if you could do that,
and I said, well, okay, I'll be home on Saturday.
They walk in and I was three or four of them, I can't remember
now, but they said, can we hook up to your television? And
they hook up to my television and they're showing me stuff it's just not you
know, and they're talking to me about stuff that I it's so out of
my league, you know. I mean, I'm a It took me six
years to get out of U T undergrad. Okay, so at interdimensional that
kind of thing to me is in planetary systems that are light years away and
and and just all this stuff to me is is out there and I you
know, and I mean I dig it. I'm not knocking it because I
don't understand it. But ultimately my goal is just get to the bottom of
what the government knows and get it to the people. Yeah, yeah,
I agree about that one hundred percent. Now, I wondered if you had
heard of I guess today, Representative Andy Ogels said that he feels positive that
there is going to be a select committee on UAP. Have you heard or
have you discussed that? Sure? Yeah, and out of as out of
Middle Tennessee. He and I discussed that. So yeah, there's talk of
that, and I hope they do it. I'm put on it, but
I wouldn't. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I get cane and on
this thing, because they you know, they I was. It was a
Saturday, and it's funny. A buddy of mine, he's actually a judge,
a friend of mine. We grew up together. And he was at
the house and I got a call from somebody and i'll go unmentioned, but
they were high up in the Trump administration and and they said, hey,
man, you've really and i'll paraphrase, I can't remember exactly, but he
said, he went on some of the lines, you've really kicked the hornet's
nest at the Pentagon and he said, but you need to get some bodies
around you. And I said, and I had come in Tennessee. I
don't know, you know, we're take things a little different down here,
dude, but uh, you know, and I realized I've kicked a hornet's
nest and the big boys are coming after me, and they're coming after me
in this election, and they'll do everything they came to discredit me, because
really all Washington is a portfolio over people. It's just about they don't care
as long as these missile defense companies are putting out this high tech stuff in
their stockport Barlier, it's not natural for somebody to make thirty or forty percent
year in and year out. And there's everybody always talks about Pelosi. She's
not even she's not even halfway up the scale, dude. I mean,
there's people making three hundred percent off their investments. You know, there's just
her two an excuse me, so you know, I uh, it's a
vicious, vicious thing. But I hope I hope a lot more Congressman.
And the reason they're getting involved in it is because their constituents are calling.
Because sixty plus percent, and that's why NASA and I'm sure the FBI and
everybody else is going to come to us. The Independagon of course, is
going to come to us for more funding. And it's just about funding.
It's not about doing what's right. Just show me what you got, Show
me what you got, but trying to keep it with the elite uniparty of
Democrats and Republicans that just you know, pat us on the head and tell
us just to trust them. I'm tired of that. I don't I trusting
and they're selling us out. Wow. Well, now I want to tell
you that the person that has written me these questions, well one of them
is very interesting. I don't know if you're aware of this at all,
but there has been some Wikipedia editing to discredit people like David Grush, Ross
Coldhart, George Knapp, and they're blocking the edits to put back in what
should be in there. And there seems to be some bolstering of people like
miss Mick West and something, you know, people along those lines. I
wondered if you had heard anything about this Wikipedia. Yeah, Pedia, as
far as I could throw the dome off the Capitol. They put a bunch
of eyes on there about Mason, as you see, and somebody will read
something on my resume and I'm like, where the heck did you get back?
What is that to go? Take? You talk? It's on Wikipedia?
Like that's uh, you know, it's like Abraham Lincoln said he didn't
believe half the stuff that was written on the internet about him, So I'm
with it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And let's see the Luna
representative, Luna Anna Polina, Luna very nice. I was in the room
there and saw her talk. I really liked what she said. But you
know, she was quoted after that classified briefing on Friday the twelfth, she
said, this has been a long term to long term effort to really keep
this information outside the purview of Congress. And I know you have basically shared
that you believe the same thing. And do you think that there will be
I'm going to tie this in with do you think there's going to be first
hand whistleblowers that'll actually come out at some point if they live long enough.
Hmm. Yeah, that's pretty scary. A lot of people talking about that.
A lot of people are talking about the possibility of that. And I
was kicking the baverbial hornets nas. I always say, I am not suicidal
and I don't go near cliffs, so if something happens, yeah, yep.
Now, getting back to Sean Kirkpatrick, one of the things, you
know, he went on this op ed or an opinion piece that he had,
and he basically said, you know, things like this is all you
know, secondhand witnesses, third hand witnesses, rehashing, getting everyone all excited
about nothing. But what he does, what he doesn't explain is that I
personally know a firsthand witness that spoke to them for four and a half hours,
and he also talked about beings that he encountered at a missile launch site.
And so you never hear him talking about those type of things, which
I think is kind of unfortunate. He's got that much got to see how
to get some of those Some of are top pilots in the world that are
in our brave men and women are military that I've talked to, and the
things that they've chased and seen. I mean, I don't know what you
how much more firsthand you get than that. These guys are pulled off the
flight line, they're interrogated for eight hours, they get a blemish on their
record. Some of them have told us they destroyed evidence so they wouldn't have
to even go through it. You know, I'm sick of people like that.
All they're doing is discrediting. There's some you know, they've driven a
four leg in Mahogany, which is a desk. They never been in combat,
they never endured any of this stuff. They've never you know, outside
of their first class seat on a American Airlines jet. That's about as much
you know, travel as they've done. And I get kind of I don't
like discrediting. That's what they did to grush, you know. They they
drew though, they got onto them for there's PTSD and I said maybe in
Washington, d C. All right, yep, no, hurry, Yeah,
okay, I don't remember what I was saying. I was getting ira
about something. Well, firsthand military they basically ruined them. So that brought
me to where I would like to I'll just interject. Have you I don't
know if you've ever heard of someone that had my show. He's only talked
about it two times. He was Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagan, and he had
this is an artist rendition, but he was a first hand witness to this
craft that he was basically had his military career ruined over which he was in
Peru at Operation Laser Strike in nineteen ninety seven. They thought it was a
friendly fire downing and when they arrived there they found a craft like this with
liquid coming out of it changing colors, and the craft itself was changing colors.
Anyway, he was interrogated by these guys in Black Camo. He thinks
they were the Department of Energy for some reason, terribly interrogated and help basically
captive for two weeks and then send back to the States after that, and
basically his military career was ruined because of that. Yeah, that's the second
time I've heard instances of a Department of Energy involvement in this thing. So,
I mean, you know, stands to reason if there's a craft that
has zero you know, a zero heat signature, that could uh and that
could be uh, that could be troubling for our our energy sector. They'd
have to retool and it put them all business and we wouldn't be in all
these miserable wars that were in overseas. I'm getting warm. Yeah, and
again, the Industrial war complex or whatever you want to call them, war
pins at the Pentagon, they're not they're not for us. They're pre VM,
they don't care. They're the ones out on the tarn taking the president
saying every time where he's a Democrat or republic And that's uniparty bunch needs to
go. Yeah, right, And there's so much money involved, and if
you talk about, you know, people being killed or whatever, there's a
lot to protect or possibly a lot to protect. So I want to bring
this up here because this is another thing from Kirkpatrick, and this is the
supposed drones that China is saying that they have that can do fantastic maneuverabilities and
things like that. And so I reached out to Ryan Graves today. I
haven't heard back from him yet, but I just wanted what he thought about
that, because what he claims he saw off the east coast was a clear
sphere with a cube in the interior. So it's not exactly that type of
thing. So again it's I don't know, more disinformation. I don't know
if these things are even operative yet. Yeah, I've been braced on that
some other folks too as well. And the clear thing, I don't get
it again, entered to them, entered dimensional and you know, and there's
a big movement within the Christian community of the the fleams, of the the
giants and follen angels interbreeding and with humans. I don't know, there's a
lot of there's so many different groups again, and I don't I don't rain
on anybody's parade. I don't call any of it out just because I just
don't understand it. So yeah, I see my goal or my it's just
get to the bottom of it, get the truth out there, and let
the American public handle it. Yep. What would you say is some like
positive things that since you've been looking into this topic are Do you feel as
though that there is? I mean, what I see is positive is that
there's bipartisan, you know, agreements on this type of thing, transparency,
Garon Moskowitz, And we're about as a part as you can get. And
I try to be a Christian. He's Jewish, a Democrat. I'm conservative.
He's you know, kind of a free spirit. He played Santa Claus
at my Christmas party this year, though, so perfect. They said,
hey, don't you know I can take acass be Jewish? And I said,
hey, my Savior is Jewish. If I want my to be Jewish,
an't give me can be it anyway. But Jared's a dear friend.
I love him, he loves me. We have a great time. We
don't agree on much other than this issue, but we have a great time
and he and you know, AOC I asked her and she's been a part
of it and about it. And that's another reason they don't like this kind
of thing, because it is something that we do agree on, and they
just try to destroy it and rain on it as much as they can,
because if we're fighting, it keeps it keeps the attention away from the from
the prize. And that's what the big boys love because they're you know,
they're passing their two thousand page bills. You don't know what's in it,
and and they're getting fat. And if Republicans Democrats started to agree on things
and started looking into things together, we would be unstoppable. And they just,
yeah, now do you feel like how do you feel overall? Do
you feel like that there's so I believe that there's a lot of momentum going
on here, and I wondered how you felt about that with with being able
to get somewhere. The only thing that that hurt, I think is when
the Schumer the bill was kind of gutted, gutted, Schumer's mondment was gutted.
I mean that shows how much power these people have, you know,
I mean they got gutted you would think that that would have been the number
one story on the news. But it boy, it went it went down
quick. Shumer didn't push it afterwards, and he made a couple of statements
on the Senate floor and then that and he moved on. Yeah. I
mean, I talked to people that wrote that amendment. I just and we're
over the target. The big boys defence industry knows it. And and they're
gonna and they're gonna spend millions in these next elections working on defeating people like
myself and Luna and Nancy Mace will go after Gates and a few and probably
Andy as well, and so you know, it's just uh, And I
don't know what they'll do on the Democrats side. I'm not privileged to,
you know, any kind of nonsense over there, but I'm sure it'll be
very close to the same thing, you know, been their ears saying hey,
man, you need to back off this thing. I mean, I
can't tell you I any conversations I've had like that, and people telling me
that, you know, some of them are my friends, saying, hey,
and you need to back off this deal? Is this you know?
And so I don't know, you know, and a lot of times that's
done through you know, more or less ridicule. I understand that that's you
know, I've been at this a while and I've seen I've seen the changes.
It's much better than it used to be. I mean, I can't
imagine you even discussing this before that article came out in the New York Times
back in twenty seventeen. This wouldn't be a discussion any of us would have.
Yeah, So I think that's what we made a lot of changes.
I said that at our hearing, our public hearing that got so much publicity.
At the end, I said, if one thing we accomplished tonight today
is that is that the people that have been made fun of and laughed at
and ridiculed people, that there's people up here that believe you and that that
we are trying to get to the bottom of it, and that you know,
and that that was it, you know, I mean, these people
they are Democrats, Republicans, hit their mugwalms, I don't know, they're
everything, and you know, they they they deserve to be heard. And
it was actually the largest attended hearing I was told. I think one of
the old timers told me, like fifteen years. They had to set up
another room where people could watch. They couldn't and people wouldn't give up their
seats. I don't know. I don't know if they had catheters in or
what, but they didn't get up to go to the bathroom or anything.
Brother, that's right. People in the crowd from the UFO community. I
was the second, the last person in the door. And the only reason
I got in is because I called some people out that cut in front of
us, and luckily it scared them off. And second the last person in,
And boy was that was historic. And I couldn't believe the people in
the hallways. You know, from what I understand, there was over a
thousand people showed up. So you can't tell me there's not some interest in
this. Yeah, I got up. I had to be at Fox News
at about four point thirty to do a five o'clock show. I was coming
out the door and there were people outside and I met you. Yeah,
yeah, and they knew who I was and they it was It was encouraging.
But I hope we gave them a little bit of hope. I think
so. And I think I think you have been very instrumental in this and
I really want to thank you for pushing this and I hope that you don't
give up. And you know, I think that, like you said,
there's there's a lot of power behind this not coming out, and but you
know, I think it's going to have to be addressed at this point one
way or another. And one of the things I think that was probably an
issue was the eminent domain issue in Schumer's bill. That may have been like
a step too far that, you know, I mean, they could have
maybe clarified yes we do have it, but the eminent domain part, I
think is what would really cause an issue with people, private companies with lots
of funds behind them, they don't want to lose that. I think some
things that are going to leak out or locations are where information or some of
this material or objects are and I'll and I'll leave it at down. Yeah,
Okay, another long along those lines. Another quick question on that is
and I've asked this of Luel's on doing maybe Chris Mellan. I mean I
think I've asked him, but I can't remember. But have you yourself seen
information that you can't talk about but just that you think is extremely compelling yes,
yeah, I knew that would be the answer, but I just had
to hear you say it. Yes. Yeah, So as we move forward,
what are the next steps? Are there going to be some more hearings?
Are you aware of any of that? Yeah? Well, of course
he had the double's secret one in the skiff, and and some things will
be we're gonna help that's gonna help us formulate and that he'll I don't know
if it converted anybody, but it sure gets it raised some eyebrows I noticed
in the room, and I was pleased with that. I didn't. I
threw a couple of soft balls, but I wanted everybody else to talk because
I already knew the answer to my questions. And people, what about when
Grush had I heard that he was not able to go into the skiff because
he lost his clearance or something along those lines. How did that? That's
a bunch of that that i't to tick taxpayers off even more, because all
that is an attempt to block the truth. I agree. Well, you
know, I've expected you to be on for only fifteen minutes, and we're
closing in on thirty five, and it's been really wonderful, and I guess
in closing, is there anything any type of hope you can give the listeners
with this whole situation and the hopes in the election they're going to come after
us to all of us. I mean, I've got some great you know,
people give me a lot of credit, but the committee members are where
it's at. They're the ones I could show up and and then you know,
you're not gonna get anybody to me, and and uh and nobody in
my own blog or something. But excuse me, but I think that we
should. You got to support your your folks, you got to vote for
him, You got to get out speak the truth about them because the other
side is going to wear us out, wear us out, and they want
to shut us down, and they'll use revenues. They won't say all the
UFO stuff. They'll go some other angle. But it's it's it's it's a
lot to do with that, and this is we've rattled a lot of big
cages. Yes, yeah again, Thank you so much. You're doing the
good fight. And I know that everybody in the UFO community has really appreciated
that. I've had all kinds of people, you know, tell me how
much they appreciate what you've been doing out there. Okay, well you can
follow me on Twitter or exit at Tim Barchett and I'm and we'll we'll get
on it. Thank you, brother, keep putting the truth out there.
Said, thank you everyone for watching that. I am back and I have
Dean ali Yoto from the West Coast. Dean welcome, thank you, glad
to be here in the West Coast. Yeah, so we watched that pre
record. Uh, and so what do you think overall? You know,
I mean you've heard them talk before, but uh, you know, I
mean he's he's uh. I thought the most interesting part is that you know
when he said that he he kind of kicked the hornets nest and you know
that that it's he's a little worried about that. Yeah. So by kicking
the hornets nest, I think specifically, and he started out talking about this
at the beginning, he said, it's not just the UFO material and evidence
that he's trying to get. He's also trying to get the basically d D,
the military Industrial complex to be accountable for all these funds. That's the
big hornets nest than then UFO artifacts, et cetera. It doesn't seem that
way, but it but it is. I mean, this is a you
know, ah, an organization, a company, h if you will,
to a degree that has you know, budgetary needs that continue on and on.
And yes, there is mystery around that, and some of it is
mystery that that should be with regards to you know, being generated new technology
and defensive technology. But to the extent that it is that, you know,
the math has never mathed out, if you will, Yeah, I
mean, just the fact that he mentioned that there could be up to half
a trillion dollars of missing funds you know, in general over the years.
That is just absolutely crazy. And you know they can't when they talk about
five hundred dollars screwdrivers and stuff like that, you know, I mean,
this is money that goes. It just plain disappears, you know. And
I started counting and to what the number was, and I realized that it
was, Yeah, it was going to be fifteen thousand years before I finished
counting. So I gave up. I got hundred. I had a sandwich.
Ye how many years did you get? Oh? I got like maybe
five dog years to that. Yeah. So yeah, I think I really
really think he's a character and really enjoyed him and it was great to see
him when I was in washing, do you see. And so there's something
that keeps talking about the data bricks. So I'd like to bring up exactly
what I know about them. And it's been such a I don't know,
two or three years since I interviewed the person that handled those bricks from the
Hawkeye that landed on the nimts and basically what happened that if I remember,
I make it a little bit of this wrong, it's mostly going to be
clear. So they captured these tic TACs, a number of them up above
you know, the operations of the training mission, and so they definitely had
on their data. They had that information and not video. We're talking about
just the data bricks, and they put them in the safe and logged them
like they do every single time after you know, an operation, and someone
came aboard the ship. I don't know how they got their helicopter. I
guess and I believe that's what it was. And he thought it might have
been someone from the Air Force. Wasn't sure by his uniform that he was
wearing it was. He was just unsure you know what branch, but most
likely Air force, and then the captain came down with him and he had
to open the safe and hand him the data bricks from that mission only.
And in the chat room people or a person was writing, oh, they
just record over those. Well, these were taken off for that particular reason
because they contained some very important information. And the part that I get frustrated
about is when the you know, Kirkpatrick says there's absolutely no data for the
Nimitz case. He said, I watched I watched him at this type of
conference or something, I can't remember exactly what it was, and he basically
said that you out there as a public, have all the data that I
have, and that's those videos on YouTube. So that's all we have on
that. And how could he say for military operation with all the equipment that
they have and all the way of recordings that they have of all this information,
that that is all they have is the government is all That's all they
have is what we can see on YouTube. I thought that was just bs
okay. So let's look at this the footage that we did see the tic
TAC you know, from all the different Roosevelt, from all the different the
three that go fast and the so there's more footage of that, but I've
I kind of feel like I've seen enough of that. If it's a closer
viewpoint where I'm actually, you know, seeing this thing come up around half
a mile and getting really close like like Fraber saw Fraber saw, then I'm
excited. Then it's like, Okay, I can see some more detail and
everything else. But if it's just you know, extended minutes of the same
footage and just watching this thing going, I don't know what we can really
glean from it. And I guess the belief is something really interesting happened that
they didn't want to share. But so I'm kind of wondering what is that
extra footage really going to reveal. I'm more interested in footage that they have
from separate cases. Because all this stuff has been recorded, and it's not
just been flair footage and everything. It's been high end cameras and stuff.
I don't think that's a big leap for me to say that that most likely
exists out there, right, Yeah, And I wasn't talking about just the
video also, I was talking about you know, they have all types of
radar data. They have I think three different types of radar that they were
recording these things on you know, I mean the the eighty thousand foot down
to the level of the c you know, in less than a second,
all that stuff they had, you know, the definitely when they have radar
running, everything is recorded, and I don't think they would just erase that
stuff. I mean, I I think it would be way too important myself,
unless you know, as these people that I'm on Crossfire with by the
way, that's this coming Thursday night every Thursday night eight to ten pm on
this YouTube channel and on kg R A radio, so on that show that
I'm on, they're all convinced except myself, that was totally a military you
know, experimental craft and Dean's got some things going on. I'm going to
It was a just a quick alarm that had to go off. Yeah,
and that was telling me that we were talking about something very scary and we
should watch it. And that was the alarm to say, WHOA hold on,
I look back little bit. Okay, yeah, sorry you were saying.
Yeah, I mean, they have all these they have all these different
ways of recording things, and I just don't think that they would get rid
of something like that unless it was a military operation. That they knew about
and so it didn't matter. And that that's what everyone on Crossfire UAP Crossifier
they are doing Thursday nights, all those guys that are on that channel,
on that show with me in particular, they all believe that it was one
of ours. That's our that the tic TAC was one of ours, and
I just totally disagree with that. Yeah. Here's the problem that I have
with that is these crafts, the design of them, the performance of them
have been described for decades. Yes, yeah, so just stop hitting that
drum because it's a flatten out and it makes no sense when you compare the
history of reports. So I don't even entertain that anymore. I'm just like,
yeah, well, you know, we look at the Stealth Bomber.
It was about twenty years for that to come out, okay, and it
was a pretty big leap twenty years. And as soon as we created it,
we started using it. What would we create technology that could go in
and take out Osama bin Laden as an example, and not have to have
two of these black Hawk helicopters that had pretty awesome technology themselves. It just
it doesn't make make sense. And so to have them fly again I guess
we have to unpack this and rewind this again to have them go and excuse
my crudity dick with a bunch of top gun pilots in their airspace. All
it takes is someone you know, getting confused and you know, going into
the ocean, into the splash, and that's it for what just to see,
Oh can they handle this? No, you can pull these people aside
confidently say hey, let's do a little scrimmagehare. We've got this new technology
and we don't have to tell you if anything's in it or not. But
we're so far away from this technology. And it's not like we're you know,
ten years away, you know, it's or twenty five. I think
we're pretty pretty far away. I mean because again, it's also the crafts
that are being seen underwater, and I want to start asking questions like,
Okay, so if a craft is moving in the air, it's able to
avoid birds, is able to avoid planes. But when you're going in the
water and you're moving as fast as these fast runners are going, you're going
to hit things underneath their fish, I mean, tons of stuff. And
how does that happen? How do they navigate through that? I mean,
you know, the nuances are at this point. What is interesting to me
the idea that, well there could be footage of UFOs. Yes, we've
seen that it does exist, the Navy has said. So what I'm also
equally interested in is the response of the government. You know, Jim Peniston,
okay with ranoscham Forrest, why does he need, sayan pentatal to be
interviewed after and Os. I has been a part of that that method of
operation several times. You know, Terry Lovelace in my new documentary, he
talks about that that you know, he was taken and given the stuff.
I don't know that that's that would ever happen in any other situation. No
one has ever said, oh, yeah, we crashed a plane and you
know, are we interacted with the Russians and we took them down and everything,
and oh did you We'll come in here and we need to talk to
you and investigate you for it, and you know, abnormal length of time.
So well, I've got some I'm a little leary of talking about this,
but I think it's it's an interesting thing that happened to me today and
I I was in a retirement community talking to this really nice gentleman, you
know, fairly, fairly old gentleman. And one thing led to another,
and I got up the courage to say that I do a show on UFOs
basically, and he said to me, oh, well, I used to
work at right pat for the DoD and the wing that I was in in
the nineteen seventies, say started this secret UFO program. And I said,
wait, wait, wait, wait what I said, I need details and
he goes no. He says, well, I used to have like coffee
and you know, the cafeteria talk. He said, but we never you
know, I could never hear anything more than you know, just that type
of thing. So he said, I don't remember the name of it,
and he was aware of Project blue Book. Well, the reason why this
is so important and I want to get as much information as I can is
we all know that Project blue Book closed in nineteen sixty nine and there was
nothing to the UFO phenomenon. And if they opened up something secretly in the
d D that was investigating UFOs according to him in the seventies, I think
that's a very interesting story. And I said, I would like to find
out as much as you know about it, because I'd like to you know,
send out a for you you know, freedom of information request, you
know, and try to get some documents to try to figure that out,
which I think is fascinating. Now this may end up being nothing, but
it was pretty exciting for me today to have that conversation. Well, not
to diminish jail on Heine's work and the others of Project Bluebook, but it
was kind of set up to be the pr M, yeah of UFOs,
and not the real deal. There was always a parallel a program going on
investigating from what I understand. And you know, again I always kind of
say to people when I speak at you know, convention and stuff, as
I say, just ask yourself, what would you do in that situation?
What would you do as the government? You know, do you want that
technology out there? Do you want people seeing it? Do you want people
kicking the tires who shouldn't be kicking any tires when it comes to you know
this, So it's it's again, it's it's acknowledgment. We got that.
That's a big thing. So my question is what do we want next?
And what we want because we love show and tell, is we want to
see the material we want to see debris. Yeah, and so okay,
so if we look at debris and everything and then we go, wow,
we're holding it right, let's go down that path we're holding We're going,
God, damn, this is incredible. It's light, it's you can't bend
it, you can't you know, set it on fire. So then what
do we do with that? You know, we can fold it into certainly
into technologies and stuff that will help us. The biggest thing is coming up
with metal, which we are going to come up with and that's not too
far in the future. That is going to be a thousand times stronger than
the metal that we have and lighter, which will allow us not to have
to you know, use up as much fuel for planes, et cetera,
cars and everything. So that's helpful. But any anti gravital, anti gravitational
type of machinery and stuff that's a game changer, that is that is a
bigger weapon, I would venture to say than the hydrogen bomb. So I
you know, who does that go to? What do we get to see?
It's you know, so I keep going again, let's walk down that
hallway, you know, for medical reasons and stuff. Yes, I would
love to have any technology that would be able to to cure cancer, et
cetera and the suffering that we have. But when it comes to really high
end stuff that can be weaponized, because we weaponize everything, especially this country,
we're not going to get that. That's never going to happen. And
so it ends up being people like you and others who have seen it had
their own encounters, and also the experiencers, and so it's kind of like
disclosure is given to those that they deem they deem you know, not worthy,
but they have, you know, their reasons for So yeah, that
was a tangent. It was, and you know what, we are out
of time. Can you believe we never even had time for Collins? But
yeah, but I want to thank you all for watching the interview with Burchette
tonight, and thank you Dean for coming in. And we'll have to have
you back again soon, like you're always such a great friend of the show
and help me out. But anyway, I love you, man, and
we'll see you soon. Love you too. Thank you for doing awesome work.
All right, all right, take care, all right everyone. We'll
be back next week with none other than Dave Foley and Tom Wheeler. So
it should be a great show next week with the Tom and Dave as they
call themselves. So thank you all and I we'll see you next week and
remember to keep your eyes to the sky.