WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.559 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willishure host and we 2 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:33.719 have a great show this evening for you. We have US Congressman timber Chet 3 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.759 who's been a real champion for the UFO UAP legacy and the government transparency and 4 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.799 so I did a pre record with him. I could not get him live 5 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.840 for this show, but I settle for second best pre record that I did. 6 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:53.119 It's about thirty five minutes long after that gets over, Dean Alioto, 7 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:56.960 my friend out in la is going to be joining us. We're going to 8 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:00.920 go over the interview and then we're going to calls from the audience. So 9 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.959 we'll put that number up for those people who are listening live. And this 10 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:11.640 week for a blog, we have a nineteen sixty eight UFO landing and trace 11 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:18.680 case from Gleason Arizona. That's a well researched case that Charles Leo did. 12 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.760 As always he does great work. He's coming out with a new book, 13 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:23.439 by the way, I don't have the working title for that yet, but 14 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.680 within the next month or two, I believe he's coming out with a new 15 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:33.760 book. Always great stuff from Charles lear And speaking of trace evidence, got 16 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.200 a contacted from a friend of the show, Dave Altman, and he is 17 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.159 looking for people. He's with an organization that he's looking for people that have 18 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:48.920 had et experience of some kind and have any type of evidence. I know 19 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.480 that's a real tricky one. I thought of Julie Olsen who's been on this 20 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:57.120 show that had things in her driveway after an event back in the sixties or 21 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:02.480 seven nineteen eighties it is. But anyway, that email address is see the 22 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:08.280 letter C. Sanders UFO Show at gmail dot com. I will put that 23 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:15.199 in the show notes and down as well in the YouTube text down below. 24 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.080 So I'm going to get started and I'll see you as I will be in 25 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.840 chat for those of you who are watching live, and I will see you 26 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:37.960 after this interview. And here we go. There he is, Yes, 27 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.240 sir, Yes, I've seen that background before. Tim. Welcome to the 28 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.759 show. Thank you, Thanks for having me brother. It's a real pleasure 29 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.479 and it was really nice meeting you. I was kind of impressed that you 30 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.240 said you knew of my show, you know, a longtime show when we 31 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.960 met this July. Yes, sir, well, I keep up with black 32 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.759 minded folks and I keep up with some of my enemies, you see my 33 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.039 friendly sword, and when we met, it was it was good, good 34 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.800 to finally connect. Yes, thank you. And if it's okay if I 35 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.879 ask you this, have you had an interest in the UFO topic for Was 36 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:20.319 this something that you had prior to, uh, you know, becoming a 37 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.800 congressman? Yeah? Probably since I'm fifty nine. I'd say when I was 38 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:30.199 about six or seven, maybe as a weird kid, you know, I 39 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:37.439 was always reading about stuff. And you go to the library or the library 40 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.000 as some of the good old boys call it, like the Holly Park, 41 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:46.240 but we would and they'd have these books set out, you know, for 42 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.439 young kids to look at, you know, and it was just and maybe 43 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.199 it wasn't for young kids, I don't know. It had something on Bigfoot 44 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.039 and had something on UFOs, and I just thought, well, that's pretty 45 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.960 cool. I picked one of those up, and of course I looked at 46 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.800 the pictures and then started reading the stories and found out about Roswell of Mexico 47 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:08.039 nineteen forty seven, and you know, and I I just and I had 48 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:12.400 a I have a notebook where I would take clippings. It's before the internet, 49 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.680 newspapers or magazine clippings of you know, is this a UFO? You 50 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.680 know? And then you go through spells in the seventies where people claim they 51 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:26.519 see these, you know, UFOs and things, and I mean, I 52 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.759 never did a buddy of mine. Three me and two other my buddies. 53 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.480 One of them is dead. Now I actually grew up with. We were 54 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.959 on top of a it was what a mountain. It was a water tower 55 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.560 that was buried, but it was at the top of this hill and we 56 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:45.000 slept on top of it. You know, your kids, you didn't do 57 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.439 much sleeping. And saw this ring in the sky and it was just and 58 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:53.000 we walked we've kind of all woke up, and we looked and we saw 59 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:59.160 this thing and what it was was a We're in a few miles from the 60 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.639 from our Air Force base, obviously, and it was actually a jet the 61 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:10.000 afterburners doing that. But but still, you know, and then and you 62 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.839 know, and I knew about Roswell and things like that. And I used 63 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.839 to have a after college. I had a little truck and trailer business, 64 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.600 remember, And I was putting a trailer ditch on this guy's jeep and he 65 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.839 had his license tags for New Mexico and I said, hey, I said 66 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.759 you know, you know where Roswell is and he said, sure, for 67 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.480 the big UFO. And I said, you know anything about the UFO thing, 68 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.120 and he said, he said, I do. He said, my 69 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.759 father was in the Army Air Corps and you know, and people say that 70 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.240 I was an Air Force. Well, it was the Air Corps before it 71 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:46.160 was the Air Force. And of course daddy fought in the Pacific. My 72 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.839 mama flew an airplane during the Second World War. So I knew this guy 73 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.360 was, you know, on the right trajectory. And he said, you 74 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:59.519 know, his dad had worked there at the base and and he stated that 75 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.759 it was they always had heard that it was two different crafts and collided in 76 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:11.519 the air. Anyway, pretty interesting details that that. I that always struck 77 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.600 me, and I've always remembered that conversation. But fast forward to Congress. 78 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:19.399 I'm walking down the street and the a guy had a camera, you know, 79 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:25.480 and cameras to politicians are like magnets to steal, he said. And 80 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.839 it was a buddy of mine. He does he works for TMZ of all 81 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.920 things. And he said, hey, about that new report coming out on 82 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.879 UFOs Tim And I said, I said, yeah, it's going to have 83 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.000 more holes in it than Swiss cheese. I said it'll be. I said, 84 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:40.600 oh no, it's going to be a big one. This is the 85 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.120 one I said it won't be. I said, listen, more people believe 86 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.600 in UFOs than believe in Congress. And that was one of the big quotes 87 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.040 they picked up. Ended up putting it on a T shirt. I sell 88 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:58.720 it on my website. But then and so I started getting calls from people, 89 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.160 you know, and I I end up meeting Lewis Alzondo and yeah, 90 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:06.639 I mean just just the whole crew, everybody you see on every TV show 91 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:13.480 I've met with, and and some of them, some people I've met with 92 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.519 prefer not to be mentioned, you know. And and I've been to the 93 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.199 basis to talk to people and been we were turned away, you know. 94 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:27.560 And yeah, it's just a it's just very frustrating to me. And I've 95 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.079 said, look, it's not necessarily about little green men and space officers. 96 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:36.959 It's about tens of millions of year dollars paid into something to research something that 97 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:44.000 they claim does not exist since nineteen forty seven. And I infuriates me as 98 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:48.000 a taxpayer and as a as a member of Congress. And we need to 99 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.680 and that needs to be a dry And I've started pushing that more because it 100 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.399 broadens the net past all of us that you know, and a lot of 101 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.360 these people have been discouraged and called names, and I have, and I 102 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.120 been seeing the push polls about you know, Tim Burchant, he's he's he's 103 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.319 always talking about these little green men. Who cares about that? Well, 104 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:15.199 who cares about tens of millions, if not billions of dollars from a pentagon 105 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:20.879 that is lot that literally has lost a half a trill or account for I 106 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.439 should better say a half a trillion dollars and asked a half a trillions. 107 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.360 It's not even imaginable. Yeah, it's a or it's a good old boy 108 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.840 say it's unfathomable. It's actually unfathomable. But you know and so, and 109 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.919 I'm not making fun of good old boys because I am one. Yeah, 110 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.879 Well, to put in perspective, you know, uh, half a trillion, 111 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.679 because a trillion, if you counted to a trillion, it would take 112 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.320 you thirty thousand years, day and night. And I bring that up because 113 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.600 a lot of people can't picture that amount of money. And it's just so 114 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.480 it take fifteen thousand years, day and night to count to half a trillion, 115 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.200 you know, which is really quite quite amazing if you think of it 116 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.039 in that in that term, I've had some people that wrote in some questions. 117 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.039 I thought they were pretty good. You mentioned Lou Elizondo just a few 118 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:22.200 minutes ago, and he had mentioned and I wondered if he had ever or 119 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.320 you ever heard about this twenty three minute video that he claims will be very 120 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.159 telling that maybe coming out at some point. Have you ever heard about that? 121 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.000 I have, I have? Is there anything you could say about that? 122 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:41.360 Or well, I'll let Lou if it needs to be said. I 123 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:48.000 don't want to. Yeah, there's quite a few things out there that I 124 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.320 wish and that is one of them that I wish. I wish we could 125 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:56.840 get get out because apparently it has some pretty good proof, you know, 126 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:03.919 as if you remember Gordon Cooper, one of our original I think Apollo Astronauts 127 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.960 hed. I mean, the guy's a hero. He doesn't have to brag 128 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.000 about anything. I never bring up anything about UFOs. But you know there's 129 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.480 a video of him and I've seen it. It's on YouTube. It talks 130 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.679 about he talks about how a craft came in at one of the places and 131 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.080 the landing gear came out and it landed and then and I can't remember the 132 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:28.080 whole story, but they videoed it and then they called. They took it 133 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.279 to I think right Patterson or as they say, right pat and then they 134 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.320 called the next day to make sure they got it and they said, we 135 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.960 don't know what you're talking about it about, and you know, so anything 136 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.279 that's out there being destroyed, and right, I wonder about that a lot 137 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.240 of times. You know, when Kirkpatrick says, you know, we don't 138 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.639 have the data and stuff like that, well, I know if I looked, 139 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.399 just like to bring up one circumstance alone, and that is the tic 140 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:01.279 TAC event when that when that Hawkeye landed on the aircraft Carrea, they remove 141 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.559 the data bricks of what they what they captured, and those data bricks were 142 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.279 picked up and taken away. So when he says there's no data available, 143 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.480 which brings me to another question from from a listener, and that is, 144 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:24.759 let's see, do you think that aa ro Kirkpatrick, our government sanctioned disinformation 145 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.879 campaigns. Do you think that's a possibility. I get people call me all 146 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.559 the time with which I think is disinformation. But here's the difference. You 147 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.960 have people that are knowingly lying, but you have people that have been told 148 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.000 things and have shown things that are possibly false so that they will leak them 149 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:48.480 to the public and leaked them to people like me to discredit the whole the 150 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.080 whole cause. And that's I don't go forward with stuff when I get it 151 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:58.519 because AI unless I see it, unless I hold it, and with AI 152 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.080 and everything else out there, now, to me, it's all suspect. 153 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.159 But I don't have to. I don't have to have proof about something I 154 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.440 believe. I have faith. It's kind of like you know, the scientists 155 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.000 always tried to disprove the Bible, and they say, burt it, how 156 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.039 can you believe the Bible? And you know, I can bring you a 157 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.399 scientists in that can say it can prove my what I think. But the 158 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.039 reality is I live by faith and I have faith that something there's more than 159 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.600 us out there. I go out and I talk about it every time, 160 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.759 and I apologize if you heard me say this, but every night I take 161 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.360 my dogs out to go to the bathroom, and if there's there's stars in 162 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.559 the sky, I look up at them and I just can't imagine, but 163 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.159 the light from those stars literally left there before the time of Christ. Yeah, 164 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.200 now, in God's vast universe, are we the best that He can 165 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.399 can do? And every society, every religion. I'm a Christian, not 166 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.519 a very good one, but you know, I read the Bible. I 167 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.960 talk about Ezekiel saw the wheel, and in the First Genesis one God created 168 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:09.320 the heavens and the earth the heavens. And so I just and I don't. 169 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:15.320 I don't fear it. I answered to have a little higher calling than 170 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:20.480 that, but I I and so I just I don't. I don't worry 171 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.240 too much about all that. I I just want the government to be more 172 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:31.960 forthcoming with what they have and good part Oakristian National Laboratory backs up to my 173 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.639 district. I don't live there, but I have like over six thousand people 174 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.120 that worked there. During the Second World War, they had over two thousand 175 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:45.039 people there working on the atomic bomb, and less than twelve of those people 176 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:50.679 knew what they were working on. Husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, 177 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:56.399 moms and dads, grandparents, they didn't know because it was compartmentalized. And 178 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.240 that's exactly what this thing is. And the people that knew that had all 179 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.480 the paces to put together. Most of them are long gone, they're dead, 180 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:09.000 right, Yeah. And I've always wondered about the generational type of situation 181 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:16.120 to you know, how that gets the whoops you there till you there there 182 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.320 got out on me that again? Yeah, I see you. Uh No, 183 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.960 I've always wondered about, you know, the generations, when the generations 184 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:31.759 move on, how this gets handled through compartmentalized type of situations. Yeah, 185 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:39.000 you know, I think that they through the compartmentalization and that is a boy 186 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:43.519 design, and that it is handed off to private contractors who have quasi governmental 187 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.679 relationship to where people like me and the press and you cannot foy you then, 188 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.960 which is foyer is freedom of information. And it's that way by design 189 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:58.919 they can put that off there. They can be analyzed in something, whether 190 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.559 it be real or fall or something created in the lab, or something that's 191 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:07.759 extraterrestrial, and they don't know it and it's been so compartmentalized. All they're 192 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.519 doing is analyzing something. They don't know where it comes from, that it's 193 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.600 not came from, it's not their business. They don't care. They just 194 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.000 want to know its properties, why it does, what it does. And 195 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:22.480 if you say you had a saucer or some craft, it's it. I 196 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:24.679 mean the technology is like if I'm a motorcycle guy, So if I took 197 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.320 an old heart that I collect old motorcycles, I got forties and fifties and 198 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:35.440 old stuff. But say I brand new motorcycle back to the may Flower. 199 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.240 You know, they come over here and they find them a Harley Sportster on 200 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.960 the beach. I mean, it's just gonna be a bright, shiny object. 201 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.960 They're not going to know how to make gaps. They might get it 202 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.279 started, but it'd be very rarely they could fix it, very rare that 203 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.279 they could drive it for sure. They would not have put air in the 204 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.200 tires. I mean they're all they're not even carbureted anymore. They don't even 205 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.639 have screwdrivers. You know. They wouldn't have you fast forward to something that's 206 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:06.399 light years away or enter you know. And now that's the talk of this 207 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.440 interdimensional stuff. And I don't get all that. Okay, I'll tell you 208 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.080 one quick story. Yeah, I'm kind of bondish, but I was I 209 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.840 was told that by some folks in DC, that some folks wanted to meet 210 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.679 with me, and I said, great, tell them to call Denise. 211 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.159 Set it up. I meet him here whatever at the office. And they 212 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.000 said, now, they don't want to come up here, and I said 213 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.679 okay. They said they'd rather come to your house if you could do that, 214 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:33.759 and I said, well, okay, I'll be home on Saturday. 215 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:40.240 They walk in and I was three or four of them, I can't remember 216 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.639 now, but they said, can we hook up to your television? And 217 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:47.840 they hook up to my television and they're showing me stuff it's just not you 218 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.399 know, and they're talking to me about stuff that I it's so out of 219 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.279 my league, you know. I mean, I'm a It took me six 220 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:03.279 years to get out of U T undergrad. Okay, so at interdimensional that 221 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:08.960 kind of thing to me is in planetary systems that are light years away and 222 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:15.279 and and just all this stuff to me is is out there and I you 223 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.160 know, and I mean I dig it. I'm not knocking it because I 224 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.279 don't understand it. But ultimately my goal is just get to the bottom of 225 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.680 what the government knows and get it to the people. Yeah, yeah, 226 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.599 I agree about that one hundred percent. Now, I wondered if you had 227 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:38.000 heard of I guess today, Representative Andy Ogels said that he feels positive that 228 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.720 there is going to be a select committee on UAP. Have you heard or 229 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:49.079 have you discussed that? Sure? Yeah, and out of as out of 230 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:53.720 Middle Tennessee. He and I discussed that. So yeah, there's talk of 231 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.359 that, and I hope they do it. I'm put on it, but 232 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.440 I wouldn't. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I get cane and on 233 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.599 this thing, because they you know, they I was. It was a 234 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.480 Saturday, and it's funny. A buddy of mine, he's actually a judge, 235 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:11.920 a friend of mine. We grew up together. And he was at 236 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.200 the house and I got a call from somebody and i'll go unmentioned, but 237 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:21.599 they were high up in the Trump administration and and they said, hey, 238 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.519 man, you've really and i'll paraphrase, I can't remember exactly, but he 239 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.119 said, he went on some of the lines, you've really kicked the hornet's 240 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:32.920 nest at the Pentagon and he said, but you need to get some bodies 241 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:37.759 around you. And I said, and I had come in Tennessee. I 242 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.960 don't know, you know, we're take things a little different down here, 243 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.960 dude, but uh, you know, and I realized I've kicked a hornet's 244 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.519 nest and the big boys are coming after me, and they're coming after me 245 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.319 in this election, and they'll do everything they came to discredit me, because 246 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:59.599 really all Washington is a portfolio over people. It's just about they don't care 247 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.839 as long as these missile defense companies are putting out this high tech stuff in 248 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.680 their stockport Barlier, it's not natural for somebody to make thirty or forty percent 249 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.200 year in and year out. And there's everybody always talks about Pelosi. She's 250 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.519 not even she's not even halfway up the scale, dude. I mean, 251 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.359 there's people making three hundred percent off their investments. You know, there's just 252 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.400 her two an excuse me, so you know, I uh, it's a 253 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.880 vicious, vicious thing. But I hope I hope a lot more Congressman. 254 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.799 And the reason they're getting involved in it is because their constituents are calling. 255 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:37.759 Because sixty plus percent, and that's why NASA and I'm sure the FBI and 256 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.880 everybody else is going to come to us. The Independagon of course, is 257 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.440 going to come to us for more funding. And it's just about funding. 258 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.000 It's not about doing what's right. Just show me what you got, Show 259 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.880 me what you got, but trying to keep it with the elite uniparty of 260 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.039 Democrats and Republicans that just you know, pat us on the head and tell 261 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.559 us just to trust them. I'm tired of that. I don't I trusting 262 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.000 and they're selling us out. Wow. Well, now I want to tell 263 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:12.799 you that the person that has written me these questions, well one of them 264 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.000 is very interesting. I don't know if you're aware of this at all, 265 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:25.240 but there has been some Wikipedia editing to discredit people like David Grush, Ross 266 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.759 Coldhart, George Knapp, and they're blocking the edits to put back in what 267 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.440 should be in there. And there seems to be some bolstering of people like 268 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.480 miss Mick West and something, you know, people along those lines. I 269 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.039 wondered if you had heard anything about this Wikipedia. Yeah, Pedia, as 270 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:47.440 far as I could throw the dome off the Capitol. They put a bunch 271 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.920 of eyes on there about Mason, as you see, and somebody will read 272 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.039 something on my resume and I'm like, where the heck did you get back? 273 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.680 What is that to go? Take? You talk? It's on Wikipedia? 274 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:02.000 Like that's uh, you know, it's like Abraham Lincoln said he didn't 275 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.400 believe half the stuff that was written on the internet about him, So I'm 276 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:12.960 with it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And let's see the Luna 277 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.240 representative, Luna Anna Polina, Luna very nice. I was in the room 278 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.839 there and saw her talk. I really liked what she said. But you 279 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.920 know, she was quoted after that classified briefing on Friday the twelfth, she 280 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.680 said, this has been a long term to long term effort to really keep 281 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.000 this information outside the purview of Congress. And I know you have basically shared 282 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:42.480 that you believe the same thing. And do you think that there will be 283 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.079 I'm going to tie this in with do you think there's going to be first 284 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.680 hand whistleblowers that'll actually come out at some point if they live long enough. 285 00:21:53.279 --> 00:22:00.079 Hmm. Yeah, that's pretty scary. A lot of people talking about that. 286 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.920 A lot of people are talking about the possibility of that. And I 287 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.720 was kicking the baverbial hornets nas. I always say, I am not suicidal 288 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:14.240 and I don't go near cliffs, so if something happens, yeah, yep. 289 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.079 Now, getting back to Sean Kirkpatrick, one of the things, you 290 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.480 know, he went on this op ed or an opinion piece that he had, 291 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.200 and he basically said, you know, things like this is all you 292 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.720 know, secondhand witnesses, third hand witnesses, rehashing, getting everyone all excited 293 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:36.480 about nothing. But what he does, what he doesn't explain is that I 294 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:41.079 personally know a firsthand witness that spoke to them for four and a half hours, 295 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:48.559 and he also talked about beings that he encountered at a missile launch site. 296 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:53.039 And so you never hear him talking about those type of things, which 297 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.839 I think is kind of unfortunate. He's got that much got to see how 298 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.599 to get some of those Some of are top pilots in the world that are 299 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:07.039 in our brave men and women are military that I've talked to, and the 300 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.759 things that they've chased and seen. I mean, I don't know what you 301 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.000 how much more firsthand you get than that. These guys are pulled off the 302 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.559 flight line, they're interrogated for eight hours, they get a blemish on their 303 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.519 record. Some of them have told us they destroyed evidence so they wouldn't have 304 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.519 to even go through it. You know, I'm sick of people like that. 305 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:30.440 All they're doing is discrediting. There's some you know, they've driven a 306 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.960 four leg in Mahogany, which is a desk. They never been in combat, 307 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.880 they never endured any of this stuff. They've never you know, outside 308 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:42.720 of their first class seat on a American Airlines jet. That's about as much 309 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:48.240 you know, travel as they've done. And I get kind of I don't 310 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.519 like discrediting. That's what they did to grush, you know. They they 311 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.240 drew though, they got onto them for there's PTSD and I said maybe in 312 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:02.279 Washington, d C. All right, yep, no, hurry, Yeah, 313 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.160 okay, I don't remember what I was saying. I was getting ira 314 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:11.759 about something. Well, firsthand military they basically ruined them. So that brought 315 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.920 me to where I would like to I'll just interject. Have you I don't 316 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.400 know if you've ever heard of someone that had my show. He's only talked 317 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:26.920 about it two times. He was Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagan, and he had 318 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.839 this is an artist rendition, but he was a first hand witness to this 319 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:37.519 craft that he was basically had his military career ruined over which he was in 320 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:42.400 Peru at Operation Laser Strike in nineteen ninety seven. They thought it was a 321 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:48.599 friendly fire downing and when they arrived there they found a craft like this with 322 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.799 liquid coming out of it changing colors, and the craft itself was changing colors. 323 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.200 Anyway, he was interrogated by these guys in Black Camo. He thinks 324 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:03.759 they were the Department of Energy for some reason, terribly interrogated and help basically 325 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:06.799 captive for two weeks and then send back to the States after that, and 326 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:14.559 basically his military career was ruined because of that. Yeah, that's the second 327 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:21.559 time I've heard instances of a Department of Energy involvement in this thing. So, 328 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.160 I mean, you know, stands to reason if there's a craft that 329 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:33.920 has zero you know, a zero heat signature, that could uh and that 330 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:40.079 could be uh, that could be troubling for our our energy sector. They'd 331 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.240 have to retool and it put them all business and we wouldn't be in all 332 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:51.279 these miserable wars that were in overseas. I'm getting warm. Yeah, and 333 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:55.319 again, the Industrial war complex or whatever you want to call them, war 334 00:25:55.359 --> 00:26:02.200 pins at the Pentagon, they're not they're not for us. They're pre VM, 335 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.480 they don't care. They're the ones out on the tarn taking the president 336 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:08.799 saying every time where he's a Democrat or republic And that's uniparty bunch needs to 337 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:14.680 go. Yeah, right, And there's so much money involved, and if 338 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.559 you talk about, you know, people being killed or whatever, there's a 339 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.240 lot to protect or possibly a lot to protect. So I want to bring 340 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.079 this up here because this is another thing from Kirkpatrick, and this is the 341 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:33.759 supposed drones that China is saying that they have that can do fantastic maneuverabilities and 342 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.599 things like that. And so I reached out to Ryan Graves today. I 343 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.160 haven't heard back from him yet, but I just wanted what he thought about 344 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.880 that, because what he claims he saw off the east coast was a clear 345 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.400 sphere with a cube in the interior. So it's not exactly that type of 346 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:55.400 thing. So again it's I don't know, more disinformation. I don't know 347 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.839 if these things are even operative yet. Yeah, I've been braced on that 348 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.920 some other folks too as well. And the clear thing, I don't get 349 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.359 it again, entered to them, entered dimensional and you know, and there's 350 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:14.559 a big movement within the Christian community of the the fleams, of the the 351 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:21.039 giants and follen angels interbreeding and with humans. I don't know, there's a 352 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:26.799 lot of there's so many different groups again, and I don't I don't rain 353 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.200 on anybody's parade. I don't call any of it out just because I just 354 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:37.160 don't understand it. So yeah, I see my goal or my it's just 355 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.559 get to the bottom of it, get the truth out there, and let 356 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:44.640 the American public handle it. Yep. What would you say is some like 357 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.759 positive things that since you've been looking into this topic are Do you feel as 358 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.279 though that there is? I mean, what I see is positive is that 359 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.880 there's bipartisan, you know, agreements on this type of thing, transparency, 360 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:02.319 Garon Moskowitz, And we're about as a part as you can get. And 361 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:07.079 I try to be a Christian. He's Jewish, a Democrat. I'm conservative. 362 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.000 He's you know, kind of a free spirit. He played Santa Claus 363 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:17.599 at my Christmas party this year, though, so perfect. They said, 364 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.559 hey, don't you know I can take acass be Jewish? And I said, 365 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.440 hey, my Savior is Jewish. If I want my to be Jewish, 366 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.039 an't give me can be it anyway. But Jared's a dear friend. 367 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.039 I love him, he loves me. We have a great time. We 368 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.559 don't agree on much other than this issue, but we have a great time 369 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.240 and he and you know, AOC I asked her and she's been a part 370 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.920 of it and about it. And that's another reason they don't like this kind 371 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.559 of thing, because it is something that we do agree on, and they 372 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.759 just try to destroy it and rain on it as much as they can, 373 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:55.279 because if we're fighting, it keeps it keeps the attention away from the from 374 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:59.079 the prize. And that's what the big boys love because they're you know, 375 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.119 they're passing their two thousand page bills. You don't know what's in it, 376 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.559 and and they're getting fat. And if Republicans Democrats started to agree on things 377 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.680 and started looking into things together, we would be unstoppable. And they just, 378 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.640 yeah, now do you feel like how do you feel overall? Do 379 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.559 you feel like that there's so I believe that there's a lot of momentum going 380 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:29.480 on here, and I wondered how you felt about that with with being able 381 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.559 to get somewhere. The only thing that that hurt, I think is when 382 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:41.839 the Schumer the bill was kind of gutted, gutted, Schumer's mondment was gutted. 383 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.240 I mean that shows how much power these people have, you know, 384 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.200 I mean they got gutted you would think that that would have been the number 385 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.440 one story on the news. But it boy, it went it went down 386 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.839 quick. Shumer didn't push it afterwards, and he made a couple of statements 387 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.640 on the Senate floor and then that and he moved on. Yeah. I 388 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:12.240 mean, I talked to people that wrote that amendment. I just and we're 389 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:18.359 over the target. The big boys defence industry knows it. And and they're 390 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:23.720 gonna and they're gonna spend millions in these next elections working on defeating people like 391 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:32.119 myself and Luna and Nancy Mace will go after Gates and a few and probably 392 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:37.359 Andy as well, and so you know, it's just uh, And I 393 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.000 don't know what they'll do on the Democrats side. I'm not privileged to, 394 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.440 you know, any kind of nonsense over there, but I'm sure it'll be 395 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.400 very close to the same thing, you know, been their ears saying hey, 396 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.160 man, you need to back off this thing. I mean, I 397 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.759 can't tell you I any conversations I've had like that, and people telling me 398 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.880 that, you know, some of them are my friends, saying, hey, 399 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.640 and you need to back off this deal? Is this you know? 400 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.680 And so I don't know, you know, and a lot of times that's 401 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.799 done through you know, more or less ridicule. I understand that that's you 402 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.559 know, I've been at this a while and I've seen I've seen the changes. 403 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.920 It's much better than it used to be. I mean, I can't 404 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.000 imagine you even discussing this before that article came out in the New York Times 405 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:29.000 back in twenty seventeen. This wouldn't be a discussion any of us would have. 406 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.720 Yeah, So I think that's what we made a lot of changes. 407 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.799 I said that at our hearing, our public hearing that got so much publicity. 408 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.079 At the end, I said, if one thing we accomplished tonight today 409 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.359 is that is that the people that have been made fun of and laughed at 410 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.759 and ridiculed people, that there's people up here that believe you and that that 411 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.640 we are trying to get to the bottom of it, and that you know, 412 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.599 and that that was it, you know, I mean, these people 413 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.960 they are Democrats, Republicans, hit their mugwalms, I don't know, they're 414 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:07.359 everything, and you know, they they they deserve to be heard. And 415 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.799 it was actually the largest attended hearing I was told. I think one of 416 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.400 the old timers told me, like fifteen years. They had to set up 417 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.160 another room where people could watch. They couldn't and people wouldn't give up their 418 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.680 seats. I don't know. I don't know if they had catheters in or 419 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.599 what, but they didn't get up to go to the bathroom or anything. 420 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:30.480 Brother, that's right. People in the crowd from the UFO community. I 421 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.960 was the second, the last person in the door. And the only reason 422 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.680 I got in is because I called some people out that cut in front of 423 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.799 us, and luckily it scared them off. And second the last person in, 424 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.599 And boy was that was historic. And I couldn't believe the people in 425 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:51.240 the hallways. You know, from what I understand, there was over a 426 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.920 thousand people showed up. So you can't tell me there's not some interest in 427 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.640 this. Yeah, I got up. I had to be at Fox News 428 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.680 at about four point thirty to do a five o'clock show. I was coming 429 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:07.640 out the door and there were people outside and I met you. Yeah, 430 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.680 yeah, and they knew who I was and they it was It was encouraging. 431 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.000 But I hope we gave them a little bit of hope. I think 432 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:20.880 so. And I think I think you have been very instrumental in this and 433 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.759 I really want to thank you for pushing this and I hope that you don't 434 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.720 give up. And you know, I think that, like you said, 435 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:35.160 there's there's a lot of power behind this not coming out, and but you 436 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.640 know, I think it's going to have to be addressed at this point one 437 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.359 way or another. And one of the things I think that was probably an 438 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.079 issue was the eminent domain issue in Schumer's bill. That may have been like 439 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.039 a step too far that, you know, I mean, they could have 440 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.519 maybe clarified yes we do have it, but the eminent domain part, I 441 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:04.799 think is what would really cause an issue with people, private companies with lots 442 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.640 of funds behind them, they don't want to lose that. I think some 443 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:13.320 things that are going to leak out or locations are where information or some of 444 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.960 this material or objects are and I'll and I'll leave it at down. Yeah, 445 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:21.920 Okay, another long along those lines. Another quick question on that is 446 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.639 and I've asked this of Luel's on doing maybe Chris Mellan. I mean I 447 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.039 think I've asked him, but I can't remember. But have you yourself seen 448 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:38.119 information that you can't talk about but just that you think is extremely compelling yes, 449 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.679 yeah, I knew that would be the answer, but I just had 450 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.800 to hear you say it. Yes. Yeah, So as we move forward, 451 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.880 what are the next steps? Are there going to be some more hearings? 452 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.719 Are you aware of any of that? Yeah? Well, of course 453 00:34:54.760 --> 00:35:00.320 he had the double's secret one in the skiff, and and some things will 454 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.159 be we're gonna help that's gonna help us formulate and that he'll I don't know 455 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.079 if it converted anybody, but it sure gets it raised some eyebrows I noticed 456 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.400 in the room, and I was pleased with that. I didn't. I 457 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.559 threw a couple of soft balls, but I wanted everybody else to talk because 458 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.960 I already knew the answer to my questions. And people, what about when 459 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.920 Grush had I heard that he was not able to go into the skiff because 460 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:34.039 he lost his clearance or something along those lines. How did that? That's 461 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:39.840 a bunch of that that i't to tick taxpayers off even more, because all 462 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:47.840 that is an attempt to block the truth. I agree. Well, you 463 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.079 know, I've expected you to be on for only fifteen minutes, and we're 464 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:58.559 closing in on thirty five, and it's been really wonderful, and I guess 465 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.760 in closing, is there anything any type of hope you can give the listeners 466 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:12.159 with this whole situation and the hopes in the election they're going to come after 467 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.920 us to all of us. I mean, I've got some great you know, 468 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.840 people give me a lot of credit, but the committee members are where 469 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.199 it's at. They're the ones I could show up and and then you know, 470 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.320 you're not gonna get anybody to me, and and uh and nobody in 471 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:32.639 my own blog or something. But excuse me, but I think that we 472 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:38.719 should. You got to support your your folks, you got to vote for 473 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:43.639 him, You got to get out speak the truth about them because the other 474 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:49.119 side is going to wear us out, wear us out, and they want 475 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:53.320 to shut us down, and they'll use revenues. They won't say all the 476 00:36:53.400 --> 00:37:00.079 UFO stuff. They'll go some other angle. But it's it's it's it's a 477 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.679 lot to do with that, and this is we've rattled a lot of big 478 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:08.360 cages. Yes, yeah again, Thank you so much. You're doing the 479 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.800 good fight. And I know that everybody in the UFO community has really appreciated 480 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.079 that. I've had all kinds of people, you know, tell me how 481 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.400 much they appreciate what you've been doing out there. Okay, well you can 482 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.079 follow me on Twitter or exit at Tim Barchett and I'm and we'll we'll get 483 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.440 on it. Thank you, brother, keep putting the truth out there. 484 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:43.119 Said, thank you everyone for watching that. I am back and I have 485 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:47.679 Dean ali Yoto from the West Coast. Dean welcome, thank you, glad 486 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.639 to be here in the West Coast. Yeah, so we watched that pre 487 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.599 record. Uh, and so what do you think overall? You know, 488 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.119 I mean you've heard them talk before, but uh, you know, I 489 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.559 mean he's he's uh. I thought the most interesting part is that you know 490 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.159 when he said that he he kind of kicked the hornets nest and you know 491 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:15.880 that that it's he's a little worried about that. Yeah. So by kicking 492 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.440 the hornets nest, I think specifically, and he started out talking about this 493 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.320 at the beginning, he said, it's not just the UFO material and evidence 494 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.920 that he's trying to get. He's also trying to get the basically d D, 495 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.280 the military Industrial complex to be accountable for all these funds. That's the 496 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:42.280 big hornets nest than then UFO artifacts, et cetera. It doesn't seem that 497 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.159 way, but it but it is. I mean, this is a you 498 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.480 know, ah, an organization, a company, h if you will, 499 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.079 to a degree that has you know, budgetary needs that continue on and on. 500 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.360 And yes, there is mystery around that, and some of it is 501 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.880 mystery that that should be with regards to you know, being generated new technology 502 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.480 and defensive technology. But to the extent that it is that, you know, 503 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.480 the math has never mathed out, if you will, Yeah, I 504 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.119 mean, just the fact that he mentioned that there could be up to half 505 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:16.000 a trillion dollars of missing funds you know, in general over the years. 506 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.760 That is just absolutely crazy. And you know they can't when they talk about 507 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.679 five hundred dollars screwdrivers and stuff like that, you know, I mean, 508 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:30.039 this is money that goes. It just plain disappears, you know. And 509 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:37.360 I started counting and to what the number was, and I realized that it 510 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.599 was, Yeah, it was going to be fifteen thousand years before I finished 511 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.360 counting. So I gave up. I got hundred. I had a sandwich. 512 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.119 Ye how many years did you get? Oh? I got like maybe 513 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:52.480 five dog years to that. Yeah. So yeah, I think I really 514 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:59.079 really think he's a character and really enjoyed him and it was great to see 515 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.440 him when I was in washing, do you see. And so there's something 516 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.599 that keeps talking about the data bricks. So I'd like to bring up exactly 517 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.760 what I know about them. And it's been such a I don't know, 518 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:15.320 two or three years since I interviewed the person that handled those bricks from the 519 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:22.760 Hawkeye that landed on the nimts and basically what happened that if I remember, 520 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.400 I make it a little bit of this wrong, it's mostly going to be 521 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:30.760 clear. So they captured these tic TACs, a number of them up above 522 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.920 you know, the operations of the training mission, and so they definitely had 523 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:42.239 on their data. They had that information and not video. We're talking about 524 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.440 just the data bricks, and they put them in the safe and logged them 525 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.440 like they do every single time after you know, an operation, and someone 526 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.360 came aboard the ship. I don't know how they got their helicopter. I 527 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.920 guess and I believe that's what it was. And he thought it might have 528 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.760 been someone from the Air Force. Wasn't sure by his uniform that he was 529 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.280 wearing it was. He was just unsure you know what branch, but most 530 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.400 likely Air force, and then the captain came down with him and he had 531 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:21.599 to open the safe and hand him the data bricks from that mission only. 532 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.360 And in the chat room people or a person was writing, oh, they 533 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.000 just record over those. Well, these were taken off for that particular reason 534 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:36.880 because they contained some very important information. And the part that I get frustrated 535 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:43.519 about is when the you know, Kirkpatrick says there's absolutely no data for the 536 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:49.880 Nimitz case. He said, I watched I watched him at this type of 537 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.639 conference or something, I can't remember exactly what it was, and he basically 538 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.079 said that you out there as a public, have all the data that I 539 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.519 have, and that's those videos on YouTube. So that's all we have on 540 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:09.159 that. And how could he say for military operation with all the equipment that 541 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:14.679 they have and all the way of recordings that they have of all this information, 542 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.199 that that is all they have is the government is all That's all they 543 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.280 have is what we can see on YouTube. I thought that was just bs 544 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.679 okay. So let's look at this the footage that we did see the tic 545 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.519 TAC you know, from all the different Roosevelt, from all the different the 546 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:46.280 three that go fast and the so there's more footage of that, but I've 547 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.119 I kind of feel like I've seen enough of that. If it's a closer 548 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.800 viewpoint where I'm actually, you know, seeing this thing come up around half 549 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:05.760 a mile and getting really close like like Fraber saw Fraber saw, then I'm 550 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.440 excited. Then it's like, Okay, I can see some more detail and 551 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:13.519 everything else. But if it's just you know, extended minutes of the same 552 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.360 footage and just watching this thing going, I don't know what we can really 553 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:22.039 glean from it. And I guess the belief is something really interesting happened that 554 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:27.840 they didn't want to share. But so I'm kind of wondering what is that 555 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.400 extra footage really going to reveal. I'm more interested in footage that they have 556 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.320 from separate cases. Because all this stuff has been recorded, and it's not 557 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.400 just been flair footage and everything. It's been high end cameras and stuff. 558 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:44.000 I don't think that's a big leap for me to say that that most likely 559 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.800 exists out there, right, Yeah, And I wasn't talking about just the 560 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.000 video also, I was talking about you know, they have all types of 561 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.320 radar data. They have I think three different types of radar that they were 562 00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:01.679 recording these things on you know, I mean the the eighty thousand foot down 563 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.000 to the level of the c you know, in less than a second, 564 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.960 all that stuff they had, you know, the definitely when they have radar 565 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.119 running, everything is recorded, and I don't think they would just erase that 566 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.719 stuff. I mean, I I think it would be way too important myself, 567 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:22.239 unless you know, as these people that I'm on Crossfire with by the 568 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.360 way, that's this coming Thursday night every Thursday night eight to ten pm on 569 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.760 this YouTube channel and on kg R A radio, so on that show that 570 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:37.920 I'm on, they're all convinced except myself, that was totally a military you 571 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.960 know, experimental craft and Dean's got some things going on. I'm going to 572 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:50.880 It was a just a quick alarm that had to go off. Yeah, 573 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.800 and that was telling me that we were talking about something very scary and we 574 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.280 should watch it. And that was the alarm to say, WHOA hold on, 575 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.159 I look back little bit. Okay, yeah, sorry you were saying. 576 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.960 Yeah, I mean, they have all these they have all these different 577 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.760 ways of recording things, and I just don't think that they would get rid 578 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:16.440 of something like that unless it was a military operation. That they knew about 579 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.599 and so it didn't matter. And that that's what everyone on Crossfire UAP Crossifier 580 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.199 they are doing Thursday nights, all those guys that are on that channel, 581 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.599 on that show with me in particular, they all believe that it was one 582 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.719 of ours. That's our that the tic TAC was one of ours, and 583 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.480 I just totally disagree with that. Yeah. Here's the problem that I have 584 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:43.599 with that is these crafts, the design of them, the performance of them 585 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:49.079 have been described for decades. Yes, yeah, so just stop hitting that 586 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.840 drum because it's a flatten out and it makes no sense when you compare the 587 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.960 history of reports. So I don't even entertain that anymore. I'm just like, 588 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.039 yeah, well, you know, we look at the Stealth Bomber. 589 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.840 It was about twenty years for that to come out, okay, and it 590 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.079 was a pretty big leap twenty years. And as soon as we created it, 591 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:15.159 we started using it. What would we create technology that could go in 592 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.199 and take out Osama bin Laden as an example, and not have to have 593 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:25.679 two of these black Hawk helicopters that had pretty awesome technology themselves. It just 594 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.960 it doesn't make make sense. And so to have them fly again I guess 595 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.599 we have to unpack this and rewind this again to have them go and excuse 596 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:44.000 my crudity dick with a bunch of top gun pilots in their airspace. All 597 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.800 it takes is someone you know, getting confused and you know, going into 598 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.639 the ocean, into the splash, and that's it for what just to see, 599 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.920 Oh can they handle this? No, you can pull these people aside 600 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.440 confidently say hey, let's do a little scrimmagehare. We've got this new technology 601 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.920 and we don't have to tell you if anything's in it or not. But 602 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:08.840 we're so far away from this technology. And it's not like we're you know, 603 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.840 ten years away, you know, it's or twenty five. I think 604 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.960 we're pretty pretty far away. I mean because again, it's also the crafts 605 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.639 that are being seen underwater, and I want to start asking questions like, 606 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.599 Okay, so if a craft is moving in the air, it's able to 607 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.599 avoid birds, is able to avoid planes. But when you're going in the 608 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.679 water and you're moving as fast as these fast runners are going, you're going 609 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.360 to hit things underneath their fish, I mean, tons of stuff. And 610 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:43.599 how does that happen? How do they navigate through that? I mean, 611 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.719 you know, the nuances are at this point. What is interesting to me 612 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.320 the idea that, well there could be footage of UFOs. Yes, we've 613 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.679 seen that it does exist, the Navy has said. So what I'm also 614 00:47:54.800 --> 00:48:02.960 equally interested in is the response of the government. You know, Jim Peniston, 615 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.920 okay with ranoscham Forrest, why does he need, sayan pentatal to be 616 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:15.639 interviewed after and Os. I has been a part of that that method of 617 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:22.079 operation several times. You know, Terry Lovelace in my new documentary, he 618 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.559 talks about that that you know, he was taken and given the stuff. 619 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.639 I don't know that that's that would ever happen in any other situation. No 620 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.880 one has ever said, oh, yeah, we crashed a plane and you 621 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.960 know, are we interacted with the Russians and we took them down and everything, 622 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.480 and oh did you We'll come in here and we need to talk to 623 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.639 you and investigate you for it, and you know, abnormal length of time. 624 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:52.960 So well, I've got some I'm a little leary of talking about this, 625 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.400 but I think it's it's an interesting thing that happened to me today and 626 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:05.960 I I was in a retirement community talking to this really nice gentleman, you 627 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.679 know, fairly, fairly old gentleman. And one thing led to another, 628 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.199 and I got up the courage to say that I do a show on UFOs 629 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:22.039 basically, and he said to me, oh, well, I used to 630 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:27.159 work at right pat for the DoD and the wing that I was in in 631 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:31.719 the nineteen seventies, say started this secret UFO program. And I said, 632 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.039 wait, wait, wait, wait what I said, I need details and 633 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:38.159 he goes no. He says, well, I used to have like coffee 634 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.960 and you know, the cafeteria talk. He said, but we never you 635 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.960 know, I could never hear anything more than you know, just that type 636 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.119 of thing. So he said, I don't remember the name of it, 637 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.280 and he was aware of Project blue Book. Well, the reason why this 638 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.119 is so important and I want to get as much information as I can is 639 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:59.679 we all know that Project blue Book closed in nineteen sixty nine and there was 640 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.039 nothing to the UFO phenomenon. And if they opened up something secretly in the 641 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.320 d D that was investigating UFOs according to him in the seventies, I think 642 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.280 that's a very interesting story. And I said, I would like to find 643 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.239 out as much as you know about it, because I'd like to you know, 644 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.880 send out a for you you know, freedom of information request, you 645 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.119 know, and try to get some documents to try to figure that out, 646 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.280 which I think is fascinating. Now this may end up being nothing, but 647 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:32.159 it was pretty exciting for me today to have that conversation. Well, not 648 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.119 to diminish jail on Heine's work and the others of Project Bluebook, but it 649 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:42.119 was kind of set up to be the pr M, yeah of UFOs, 650 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:46.119 and not the real deal. There was always a parallel a program going on 651 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.960 investigating from what I understand. And you know, again I always kind of 652 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.280 say to people when I speak at you know, convention and stuff, as 653 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.440 I say, just ask yourself, what would you do in that situation? 654 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.599 What would you do as the government? You know, do you want that 655 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.360 technology out there? Do you want people seeing it? Do you want people 656 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.159 kicking the tires who shouldn't be kicking any tires when it comes to you know 657 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:15.559 this, So it's it's again, it's it's acknowledgment. We got that. 658 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.679 That's a big thing. So my question is what do we want next? 659 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.440 And what we want because we love show and tell, is we want to 660 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:30.880 see the material we want to see debris. Yeah, and so okay, 661 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.000 so if we look at debris and everything and then we go, wow, 662 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.559 we're holding it right, let's go down that path we're holding We're going, 663 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.960 God, damn, this is incredible. It's light, it's you can't bend 664 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:45.599 it, you can't you know, set it on fire. So then what 665 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.639 do we do with that? You know, we can fold it into certainly 666 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.840 into technologies and stuff that will help us. The biggest thing is coming up 667 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.280 with metal, which we are going to come up with and that's not too 668 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.679 far in the future. That is going to be a thousand times stronger than 669 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.039 the metal that we have and lighter, which will allow us not to have 670 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.320 to you know, use up as much fuel for planes, et cetera, 671 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:13.519 cars and everything. So that's helpful. But any anti gravital, anti gravitational 672 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:20.360 type of machinery and stuff that's a game changer, that is that is a 673 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:27.199 bigger weapon, I would venture to say than the hydrogen bomb. So I 674 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.480 you know, who does that go to? What do we get to see? 675 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.280 It's you know, so I keep going again, let's walk down that 676 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.760 hallway, you know, for medical reasons and stuff. Yes, I would 677 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.440 love to have any technology that would be able to to cure cancer, et 678 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.400 cetera and the suffering that we have. But when it comes to really high 679 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.519 end stuff that can be weaponized, because we weaponize everything, especially this country, 680 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:52.280 we're not going to get that. That's never going to happen. And 681 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:58.039 so it ends up being people like you and others who have seen it had 682 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.159 their own encounters, and also the experiencers, and so it's kind of like 683 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:09.480 disclosure is given to those that they deem they deem you know, not worthy, 684 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:14.639 but they have, you know, their reasons for So yeah, that 685 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.800 was a tangent. It was, and you know what, we are out 686 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.840 of time. Can you believe we never even had time for Collins? But 687 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.119 yeah, but I want to thank you all for watching the interview with Burchette 688 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.119 tonight, and thank you Dean for coming in. And we'll have to have 689 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.400 you back again soon, like you're always such a great friend of the show 690 00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.480 and help me out. But anyway, I love you, man, and 691 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.639 we'll see you soon. Love you too. Thank you for doing awesome work. 692 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.119 All right, all right, take care, all right everyone. We'll 693 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.719 be back next week with none other than Dave Foley and Tom Wheeler. So 694 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.239 it should be a great show next week with the Tom and Dave as they 695 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.880 call themselves. So thank you all and I we'll see you next week and 696 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:24.320 remember to keep your eyes to the sky.