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Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome

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to Eye on the Ball hero Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Roberta.

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He's Jagins as gotta guys sit in
today, Welcome to Thursday show. A

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lot of things going on at you
of a I consider pretty good movement.

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Jay. Yeah, you know,
it's like they it's like they decided to

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get the band back together. Right, A bunch of the nineteen not a

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bunch of the key some of the
key people from that nineteen ninety eight coaching

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staff. Dino Babers is back a
great Hi. I think that's a great

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you know, he's been a head
coach and he's been a good head coach.

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Lbraht Syracuse, smart guy from Hawaii
too, right, uh, tol

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right lines and then and then as
the offensive coordinator, they've got Dwayne na

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Keen as a defensive coordinator. U. These are guys that were here when

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back when Brent Brannan was here.
So there's some familiarity there, some connection

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to the to the program. So
yeah, I mean I certainly I would,

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at least from a fan standpoint,
a lot to like, a lot

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to like Yeah right, yeah,
no, No, that's great, that's

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great. We'll see how it translates
onto the field that we'll see. Obviously

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we don't see for a while,
but I think fans should be very optimistic

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or what's coming out. I related
this to this to some of other people.

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Oh, Jed's leaving, know nothing, we can't do this again.

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There's always another bus, there's always
another girl. She'll leave you. If

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someone leaves you, there's always a
pretty girl around the corner. Yeah,

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for good looking guys like me,
you know, you go sit you you

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probably suffer the same problems I have. Ja's married, so you know we

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won't go there. Wow, Steve, No, but I think it's it's

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a great thing. And everybody two
weeks ago, oh well, what are

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we gonna do? You know?
Yeah, you can be fine. Yeah,

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there's a new excitement. Now,
new excitement. And I was telling

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Jay, I think that if we
were coaches with the talent coming back,

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some more came back. I'm sure
you saw for breaking news that maybe we

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could probably even help, not help, maybe not screw this up. Yeah,

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but then you'd have two fat guys
on the radio telling you that you

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don't know how to call plays and
you know why is why is? Why

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is norf of feet and not starting
and all that stuff. So as long

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as those chicks cash, maybe tell
me whatever you want to. No,

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but I was mistaken. Duyne Kenan
was on the staff in that night.

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He was a defensive uh, defensive
backs coach during that time. Rich Ellerson

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was That was the I believe the
was that. That's not correct. Rich

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Wasn't Rich Ellerson in the with the
ninety eight ninety three king? Yeah,

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yeah, he was not here,
and that I think he's already gone.

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Okay, that's sure. Yeah,
I think there's some uh, some screw

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up here on on on my page. But but none. Nonetheless, Dwayne

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Nickena was on that staff. Uh
uh And but and Dino Babers was the

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was the offensive coordinator for the for
arguably the best team in Arizona football history.

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So walking it back, he's older, right old, he's got you

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know, he's got twenty five years
since then. But nonetheless, you know

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he's had a lot of experience.
He's you know, he's he's been a

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head coach and now he's he's back
here and again. You know, I

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think one of the things is that
these guys will be able to come in

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here and sell not I hate to
use that word anymore because of what Jed

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Fish has done to it, but
be able to you know, to talk

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about what it's like to be here
at Arizona, not just you know,

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at some program mm hmmm. And
a lot of the guys on the staff

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have head coaching experience, so when
you build a program, these guys know

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how to do it too, right
right, right, yeah, and recruit

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That will be the next thing did
they start to do. They've already started

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to recruit a lot of the it's
back uh and and who's who knows,

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maybe they'll get another player or two
from the transport portal that's still open for

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now, Michigan uh. And still
Washington right and still Alabama still Alabama open

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there open, Yeah, thirty days
to be. They'll all be open until

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you know what, end of February. Can I believe in the spring it

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will reopen yeah, And then and
then of course San Jose State go for

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for I think some some other defensive
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Yeah. Plus the plus the portal
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after spring practice, so so there'll
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know, that'll go in there.
So yeah, no, I think,

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uh, you know, I I
just think that it's it's a good look

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for Arizona. I think I think, uh, you know, fans should

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you know, should be happy with
that. We'll see, as you said,

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let's see how translates on the field, right, Okay, So a

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game tonight there's no men's basketball plays
at Oregon State to eighteen point favorites eighteen

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eighteen on the road on the road. Yeah, that's scary in it,

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you know, based on Arizona has
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few games. I don't know that
I'd be all over the No, I

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wouldn't. I wouldn't either. You
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win first. Yeah, okay,
help see what well looks play. I

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mean, if you're you're, if
you're smart, which none none of us

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are, you might not want to
touch that. And and just see how

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they come out, see how they
play, see if if uh, you

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know this Batman and Robin thing that
we talked about, if somebody steps up

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and you know, you know,
in particularly kind of boswall and it flips

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up a notch, you know,
we'll see it's it's uh look, and

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it's never easy to win at Oregon
State, no matter how bad they are.

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No. I remember when Jay John
took over the program. Remember uh,

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this had to be two thousand and
something and there was no one.

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Took a very good team up there, and j John was kind of starting

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the program. There was the two
thousand people in the stadium, and there

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was the heat beat Loot and which
didn't really and I think he may have

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been the first guy, first former
coach to ever beat Loot. And you're

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thinking, how in the world did
this happen? All this talent and j

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John beat him? There was only
didn't show up. Yeah, and it

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happens all the time. I think
that was the you covered Loot when he

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kicked the ball into the stadium.
It was an Oregon No it was though,

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yeah, my last year covering him
with the final four. Oh,

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okay, it was org it was
against Oregon State. Well that's it was

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in the on the orgon trip that
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They were they were listening, they
were acting like fools and blah blah blahas

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and he kicks it for emphasis,
for emphasis. He kicked it in the

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States, you know, the stately
guy. So we'll see what happens tonight.

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We'll see what happens tonight. Yeah, and then and then a huge

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game against Oregon on Saturday. So
uh, you know, this is a

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big weekend for a Arizona today.
You know, let's let's let's be the

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fan in the room, right,
Let's say they go sweep this there,

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this, this this weekend. I
don't see it happening, but let's say

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they do. All of a sudden, you know, this whole town feels

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better. Yeah. Yeah, but
I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would

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reserve judgment. I mean, honestly, we already seen what happened. Is

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what's to say they can't happen again? Yeah? I don't know, And

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that's just me. You gotta take
a game back game at this, there's

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no question I used. Nobody wants
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course, but I said all the
time, every game is the season,

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every game is the season. You
take this season and hope to get better

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and get better, because look,
when Arizona went last year to play Princeton

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in Sacramento, you're thinking, you're
feeling good. Yeah, you're feeling very

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good. You felt so good you
drove up there. Yeah, yes,

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I did to drive right back the
next day, but it was it was

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you're feeling good. You're you're thinking, Okay, this is a good team

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and has all the elements. Uh. And then for for a stretch of

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twelve minutes there they tank, they
tank or fell apart, and we drive

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back. So yeah, you drove
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to trip. Take a left.
Now, Cricket, you were very unhappy,

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weren't you. It was well,
it was thirteen hours there, thirteen

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hours back for forty eight hours.
That's twenty six hours covered the hotel room,

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having to carry the five you know
whatever. You know, So we'll

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see, we'll see this year.
That's why this year's trips are going to

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be Salt Lake in Spokane. I
think it's Spokane. So that's the West.

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If they're lucky, you have to
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I hope they don't. Uh yeah, for my purpose, I hope they

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don't tank so much that it's they
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on a bit of a roll.
And and like and why I mean a

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roll. Like I almost feel like
they need to win the rest of their

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games to get a number one seed. If they lose another one, I

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don't know how. Oh yeah,
I don't know how they can get a

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number one. Well depends what else
happens in Yeah, but even so,

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you know Kansas lose last night last
night. Yeah, someone got upset us

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again. They lost a couple of
days ago. No, no, that

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was last week. I saw a
score. Well, yeah, they lost

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on the weekend. Uh, just
basketball, they Yeah, what the hell

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are they doing? Yeah, I
saw a score. I could be wrong.

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I know Yukon's one right now?
Right? Still they have yeah they

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have no. I know they lost
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Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's a
women's see tomorrow. Yeah yeah,

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uh okay, that's just not good
radio. No yeah, yeah, no,

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no, no, okay, Yeah, they know they beat Cincinnati on

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Monday, and right and now they
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they play Iowa State on Saturdays.
Auburn did lose last night, though Aburnsabama

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and Kentucky lost earlier than the weeks
two days ago. This whole teams are

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losing. Yeah. But the thing
is, though, that those teams that

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are losing aren't playing in a conference
that's regarded like the PAC twel They could

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be a problem, right, that's
the problem. I almost feel like your

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Arizona is already a point where it's
gonna be hard, real hard to get

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a number one seed. If they're
staying at number two. They're still among

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the better teams in the country.
I mean, I think they're one of

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the top eight teams. Yeah,
well have you seen the other seven?

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Yeah, they're all good too,
A couple of you seen ten of them

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Because there's some good teams. There
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But that's that's just the way it
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play tomorrow, I guess here.
Yeah, they're here against cal I believe

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tomorrow. Uh, and then Stanford
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game with Stanford won't be interesting calm
well, well, with the all time

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winning this coach coming into town and
interesting in that regard, I don't know,

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they'll be a good game. Well, well, I don't know.

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You know, they play well,
upset them a time or two. Here,

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they played well. At home,
they played they played well. Okay,

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well we have said here he'll have
some Well, there's a lot of

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breaking news going on, a lot
of if it's a lot of player development,

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blah blah blah, the coaches.
It's all over Twitter and Facebook.

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Uh so there's that. Great,
it's funny. So as soon as as

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soon as the news hit that,
well you missed it, you weren't here.

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John Jim Harbaugh named the head coach
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We snunt that in right before the
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sooner does that happened. Facebook is
all over they were and you know what

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these are all these are These are
trolls, you know, but I was

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I was just gonna say, because
another one just popped up all kinds of

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social media, you know, fake
social media with people putting saying that Jed

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Fish is the only candidate for the
job, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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You know, at this point in
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do anything other than, you know, promote from within, because where you're

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going to go get a coach.
It's especially a coach at the level you

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need to coach at Michigan, right, and the players will most likely stay

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if he's Yeah, so you know, they're they're not going to go get

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a Lane Kiffin or you know,
one of those guys. They're they're you

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know, they're they're probably just gonna
have to hand it over to the offensive

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coordinator. Won six games as as
an interim college and if they don't do

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if they knew guy came in and
didn't win, well, what's the worst

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thing. They say? It's not
a Michigan guy. Yeah, exactly,

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they did. Rich Rod. Did
you ever read that book about on rich

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Rod? I read it, and
I mean, of course it was one

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sided, but you know, you
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of this stuff went on. I
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But he never had a chance,
you know, he just never had

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a chance. There was a guy, you know, a couple of guys

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there that just said he's not the
guy we want. And they did everything

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they could, you know, to
the money, the money talkers the money.

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Yeah yeah, and and former and
a former coach. So it was

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like, man, so I don't
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Michigan. I mean, they're coming
off the National Championship. Expectations are super

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high. What do you you know, what are you going to do to

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back that up? Now, new
new teams in the conference as well,

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which will only make it harder.
Yeah, it is. It'll be a

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little harder. I think it'll be
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coming in, but you know,
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to play really good teams weekend week
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on them as opposed to be playing
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whatever. So I don't know anyways, Fun Show today, Yeah, Ryan

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Ratke, who's who calls NFL games
throughout the season. He's the the Sunday

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good friend of the good Friend of the

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the NFL games this weekend, so
we thought would get him and come in

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here and get you know, just
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know, what he saw of these
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get get us ready for the championship
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to that. I was turning on
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the radio, share his voice,
that's Ryan he's doing. He does news

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updates too. Yeah. And he's
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I mean I enjoyed listening to him. You know what I'm saying. Uh,

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there's some radio guys that you just
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on? You know, Ryan,
Ryan is really good. He's he's he's

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energetic, he's enthusiastic, and more
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well prepared with Yeah that he is. Study is unlike us, We are

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totally unprepared. Yes, and then
well the second half we're gonna have Matt

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Marino yeah here and talking about what's
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player movement, prayer movement, what's
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for maybe potential other kids coming in. He's all over that, so we'll

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how he thinks Arizon has ended up. We saw that there was another

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player, a key player that's come
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have Matt Boin on. He'll talk
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I on the Ball. Hey,
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Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve
Rivera, He's Jagan Zels Now on the

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phone. We have Ryan Radkey from
Westwood one Sports. Ryan, how you

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doing? What's up? Boys?
How we doing? We're doing well.

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We're doing well. So upon for
the review for you a long season as

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we end the year almost Who are
the better teams in the NFL? Well,

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I think they're playing right now.
I think the right teams are where

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they are they're supposed to be.
I don't think anybody is terribly surprised with

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the matchups for conference championship weekend and
should be a couple of good games on

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Sunday, So you know, I'm
thinking about this coming in. Is Patrick

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Mahomes headed towards that place where,
you know, we always to say,

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you know, when the playoffs would
start, don't bet against Brady, don't

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bet against Brady, you know.
I mean, I don't know how much

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was expected of the Chiefs when they
because they didn't. They weren't the Chiefs

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that we've come to know. But
yet there they are in the NFC champion

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in the NFC Championship. Is he
getting to that where you say, Patrick

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Mahomes in the playoffs, you know, get out of the way. Yeah,

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I mean, I don't think anybody
ever wants to see him in the

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playoffs. I think what was interesting
about the Chiefs this year is I think

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we tended to look at them and
say, well, they're just not as

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good of a team. I don't
know if that was accurate. They were

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not as good of an offense,
that's for sure, but their defense really

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stepped up and kind of paved the
way for them to get here. And

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I just wonder as I looked back
at them throughout the year, and I

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was certainly guilty of this throughout the
year, saying well, they're not as

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good as they've been in the past, they're not as good offensively. The

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receivers had their problems with drops.
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maybe wasn't quite the same as he's
been over the years before. That defense

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really helped them through those times when
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help them get to this point.
But to go back to the original question

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about Mahomes, I mean, the
guy is just he's one of the best.

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He's a guy that's probably gonna end
up in Canton when his career is

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done, and I don't think that
anybody is excited about playing him in the

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playoffs. Well, you know,
how many times did you see him this

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year? I only had the Chiefs
one time this year, I believe,

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and that was early in New York
against the Jets, a game where everybody

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bought the Chiefs were gonna win,
you know, forty one to three.

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The Jets were scoffling, obviously,
and you know, we were still at

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that point of thinking Kansas City was
still Kansas City offensively, and it turned

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out to the back of a game. Kansas City jumped on him early.

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say he had to get a defensive
stop late to win. So I only

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saw him personally once this year saw
him a lot on tape watching teams throughout

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the season getting ready for games.
So I think I still saw him a

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fair amount, but not as much
in person as that. So let me

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ask you. That's why I ask
you, is is he different for us

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normal people who watch it on TV
compared to you where you see him live

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is different. I just think you
expect so much of him that when he

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does things, you just find yourself
saying, like, yep, that's what

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he does. He's capable of doing
those things. It's almost hard to be

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surprised by things that he does because
he's so good and just has talent that

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others lack, and you know,
he can do things that people can't do,

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that normal humans can't do, and
so it's just always amazing. You're

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always kind of wondering what they're going
to come up with and what rabbit he

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might pull out of his at So
let's let's go to the other side of

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the other side of the other sideline. I should say, Yeah, Lamar

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Jackson over there, who you know
hasn't gotten to where people expected him to

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get right. They were a number
one seed a few years ago and flamed

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out it, you know, in
their first game. Here he is.

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Now it's Mahomes that's in the way. What do we think about Lamar Jackson

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and what you know, what's going
to take for him, you know,

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to get over that hump and just
get past Mahomes. Well, I mean,

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I think if they just keep doing
what they've been doing, they're going

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to be fine. You know,
count me among the people at the beginning

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of the season that really had some
doubt and wanted to see how this was

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all going to work with Todd Monkin
coming in and taking over the offense and

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what that offense was going to look
like. And I can tell you even

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up till the end of the year, I was kind of wondering, all

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right, what is Baltimore? Who
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in the back to back weeks I'm
a Sunday Night in Jacksonville where they completely

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took apart the Jaguars, but it
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came out of that game saying,
you know, Baltimore's good, that that's

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a good team. Six days later. I had them in San Francisco on

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Christmas Night, but they completely took
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walked out of the booth that night
saying that seems special. They are capable

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of getting to another level because they
had every reason to lose that game,

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and not only do they not lose, they dominated the forty nine ers on

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their home field, which is not
an easy thing to do. I just

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think Baltimore has you know, Lamar's
playing at a high level. They run

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the ball, even with all the
injuries they've had, they run it and

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he's certainly a big part of that. And that defense is phenomenal. What

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Mike McDonald has done. The linebackers
they have, it's probably the best linebacking

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court in the NFL. Kyle Hamilton's
been amazing at safety this year. That's

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a really good team and they're going
to be hard for anybody to beat the

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Chiefs on Sunday, and if Baltimore
wins, they're going to be hard to

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beat in the Super Bowl. Yeah. So I agree with you. The

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four teams that you thought would be
here, especially San Francisco, because no

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one had San Francisco in August September
and they've turned into this team even with

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Rock Party, which of course continues
to get to continues to get criticism,

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yet he's here. Yeah, I
don't really get the criticism of Party.

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I mean, I think there are
some things that there are some flaws that

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have showed up in his game,
But unless you're Mahomes, who doesn't have

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flaws in their game, I mean, he's still finding ways to win.

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He's still quarterbacking a really, really
good team. And even though they didn't

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play great in the Packer game last
week and I was there for it,

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they still found a way to win
the game. And he still made some

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big time throws when he had to
at the end of that game to put

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them in position to score for McCaffrey
to take it in for a touchdown.

407
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So I don't really get the criticism
of Party. If the criticism is he

408
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isn't Mahomes, well then we can
put him in the club with about twenty

409
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eight other quarterbacks in the NFL exactly. So I don't really I don't really

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get that part. That's a good
team, so is Detroit. I think

411
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it's going to be a heck of
a game on Sunday, I'm really looking

412
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forward to watching him. Tell me
if I'm full of you know what,

413
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because you know, I see old
clips of Joe Montana running around, and

414
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you know, he wasn't an incredible
athlete. He just made plays, He

415
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made throws. He was a smart
guy. They almost have like the same

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body and the same look and the
same movements and those kinds of things.

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And I'm not saying brock Perty's Joe
Montana, but he certainly, of all

418
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the quarterbacks they've had since then,
reminds you more of Montana than the other

419
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guys, than Steve Young did,
than Kaepernick did, than you know,

420
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any of the other guys, and
just in terms of what he does and

421
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how he looks doing it. Yeah, I mean, I think there's some

422
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similarities. I mean, you know
the way he runs that system. He's

423
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an incredibly calm guy. You never
really see him get too high or get

424
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too low. He just seems like
he goes out and plays. He has

425
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the right demeanor to be in these
type of games, and when he has

426
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to make big throws he does.
Like I talked about in that last drive

427
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the other night, he was not
having a great game, but was he

428
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six or six or six or seven
on that that last drive, and you

429
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know, made some really important throws
to get them in position. So h

430
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He's a guy that that I think
fits really well. If people want to

431
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call him, he's a system quarterback, he's this, he's that. Look

432
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he's in the right system, that's
for sure. And they're winning a bunch

433
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of games, and so I would
be I would be fine as the forty

434
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nine ers having fought thirty as my
quarterback. I would not be complaining about

435
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it. Yeah, that's how you
talked a little about Detroit. Would let's

436
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go to a team. I heard
you. I think you were at a

437
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Dallas game not too long ago.
I used to be a fan when I

438
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was a kid. I'm no longer
because I realized they just suck. But

439
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.799
it's been thirty thirty years and Arizona's
you know, Dallas is America's team.

440
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Now that tays you how bad America
is right in what state of America we're

441
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in. But but what the hell? What the hell? They had a

442
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pretty good season and then the playoffs
come and they're allergic to the playoffs.

443
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Look, you could say, I
mean people were saying the same thing about

444
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Baltimore, right I mean, and
Jay reference that they were number one seed

445
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a couple of years ago when they
flamed out. Until you do it in

446
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the postseason, people aren't going to
believe exactly you can do it in the

447
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postseason. And that's where Dallas is. They had a great year. They

448
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were a really good team. They
had a lot of good pieces. But

449
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I did that game against the Packers. We talked about it going in.

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Until you win this game, there's
going to be questions and there's going to

451
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be doubts, and they did not
play well and frankly got embarrassed on their

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home field by Green Bay. And
so the exact same questions are gonna hover

453
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.839
over them going the next year,
which is can they win twelve games?

454
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Yeah, we've seen that great.
Can they win in the postseason? Can

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they win the big playoff games?
They have not proven they can do that

456
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.640
yet, and until they do,
until they actually do it, people are

457
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.079
gonna ask questions about Dak Prescott.
People are gonna ask questions about Mike McCarthy

458
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:45.079
as the head coach, and I
think those questions are fair until we see

459
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any differently, because they have not
proven that we're all wrong. They have

460
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.839
not shut other people up and that's
what they're going to have to do.

461
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.240
So right, I know your transitioning
into college basketball here soon, So let

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00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:03.680
me piss off a jay real quick. So if you just inserted Arizona basketball

463
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with the Cowboys, you're not You're
only judged in the tournament. March is

464
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when you're judged. Am I not
correct? Oh? One hundred percent.

465
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.160
When we talked about this during the
Packers Cowboys game, which is it's unfair,

466
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but it's reality. When you are
the Dallas Cowboys, when you are

467
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the New York Yankees, when you
are the Duke Basketball, and you can

468
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.599
put Arizona in this category. It
does getting to the playoffs. Being in

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the tournament, as unfair as it
is, it doesn't matter what happens when

470
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.960
you get there. That's how you
will ultimately be remembered. And so that's

471
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just the reality of when you are
an elite program, you get judged on

472
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.440
what happens at the end of the
season. Steve and I are about to

473
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.000
get in a fistfight. But the
thing about it, Jao, you know

474
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.319
exactly. I mean, that's you
know, it's look, look, you

475
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.680
know, if you're if you're ugly, you know, you're ugly. You're

476
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.799
okay with that until somebody tells you
you're ugly, and that's that. That's

477
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:10.519
the problem I happened. I want
to really real quick go back to the

478
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.160
plass because we want we got a
couple of minutes, but just one quick

479
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.839
thing on the Lions. I think
people forget Jared Goff is a Super Bowl

480
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.160
quarterback. He played in the Super
Bowl. Yeah, I mean he's he's

481
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.240
been there. He's he's been on
that stage. Obviously didn't play very well

482
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.680
when he got there, but he's
been there. Look, I think what

483
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.039
he's done has been remarkable because I
was one of the many people and that

484
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.519
trade was made that that looked at
Jared Goff as just a salary piece in

485
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.680
that deal and and where were the
Lions gonna go next? And instead he

486
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.319
has turned into a really really good
fit for that team. They've put good

487
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.680
pieces around him. I think what
Dan Campbell has done as the head coach

488
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.640
of that team has been absolutely remarkable. Uh. And that is a it's

489
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.640
a phenomenal story that not only did
they get in, but here they are

490
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.920
playing in the NFC Championship and they're
one went away from going to a super

491
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.039
Bowl for the first time. It's
just awesome. It's been it's been amazing

492
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:07.759
to watch what those guys have done
throughout the course of the year. All

493
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.440
Right, with all your knowledge and
everything that you've gathered during the season,

494
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.480
Who's in the Super Bowl? Good
question? I mean, I would go

495
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:21.640
with Baltimore. I just think the
way they're playing, the way they've played

496
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.400
all season long. I just I
like them. I like what they've done.

497
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.119
I don't know where to go with
Detroit san Francisco. I still feel

498
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.079
like the forty nine ers have been
the best team in the NFC all year

499
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:36.119
long. I love the way Detroit's
playing, and like I said, it's

500
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.839
an amazing story. I'd probably still
lean towards San Francisco being at home.

501
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.880
They've been in these type of situations
before, although the playoffs have really not

502
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.279
bothered Detroit to this point. But
if I had to make a pick,

503
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:54.799
I'd probably go with San Francisco against
Baltimore, Which means you should immediately run

504
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.359
down and put all your money on
it being the Chiefs versus the Lions in

505
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.319
the Super Bowl, because that's what
happens. No, No, in fact,

506
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.079
in facted last time when we had
you on and you joked about this

507
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.720
back in November or whatever after thankscusing
because everyone thinks you're an expert. I

508
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:12.400
mean everyone's asking you who's gonna win, who's gonna win, and you're saying,

509
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.400
what the hell, I don't know, I'm coming again. I'm just

510
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.319
calling the game. That's right.
I mean, that's basically what it is.

511
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.200
I mean, if if I had
that kind of knowledge, I'd be

512
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.160
retired living on an island. And
I'm still if you do. If that

513
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:29.559
happens, don't take any calls.
Don't take any calls. They're just bothering

514
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.319
you exactly, all right, real
quick that you you said, I said

515
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.920
you're gonna be starting work, your
work on the college basketball side coming up.

516
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.519
What do you make of the season
so far? And what the hell

517
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.079
is going on with all these teams
getting you know, just we always talked

518
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.720
about the parody and stuff, but
it seems even more pronounced this year than

519
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.359
previous years. Yeah, I think
that's just the way it's going, guys.

520
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.559
I think you know, we've been
talking about this for it feels like

521
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.279
a long time, and it feels
like every year we're just getting more and

522
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.119
more and more, which is probably
a good thing for the sport. It's

523
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.319
probably a good thing to go into
March thinking there's fifteen teams that could win

524
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:06.480
the national championship instead of well,
it's going to be one of these four

525
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.639
teams that wins. I think it
keeps a lot more people involved. And

526
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:14.079
look the way players are moving around
today and the way the landscape of the

527
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.159
sport has changed. It's just different
than it was ten years ago. So

528
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.920
as many negatives as there are,
there's probably some positives as well. And

529
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:27.280
I mean I agree, you know, throw ranking rankings mean absolutely nothing because

530
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.079
it does really feel like one of
those anybody can be beaten on any given

531
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.360
night, and that's what makes it
fun, especially when you get to the

532
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.559
tournament and it's a one and done
situation, so we run out of time.

533
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.880
Can I have a cool question?
You're U a grad, right,

534
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.519
You're you a grad, A high
profile grad. Now. I'm sure people

535
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.239
ask you where are you from?
How do you feel being the UA grad

536
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.480
now? Given the situation academically,
athletically, especially because it's out there in

537
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:58.239
the football world of what's going on
now, money, coaches jumping stuff like

538
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.360
that. Well, I don't like
to see what's happened to the finances on

539
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.000
everything. That's that's unfortunate, you
know it was. It was tough to

540
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.360
see jet Fish leave after what he
had done kind of resurrecting the football program.

541
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.199
But look, I'm always I'm always
proud of where I went. I

542
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:19.280
have no qualms in telling everybody that
that I went to Arizona, and you

543
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.960
know I I will always, I
will always have a special place in my

544
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.159
heart for the U of A.
That's that's never gonna change. No matter

545
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.000
what we needed to Quitney Houston song, I will always love you that once

546
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.840
we leave you, thank you,
Ay right, we'll catch We'll catch you

547
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.480
on the Hey real quick, are
you doing the Pacuff Tournament this year?

548
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.559
The last rodeo? I am.
I will be there for the last rodeo.

549
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.280
I'll see you guys. We will
be there all right, right right,

550
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:45.599
thanks, A whole bunch is always
appreciate it. All right, fellas,

551
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.800
we'll see you all right. Does
Ryan Ratky, a local guy,

552
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.239
does the NFL games now on the
college basketball side, and he'll he'll be

553
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.000
doing the Paccrouff Tournament for west Wood
One Sports. So all right, stick

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around. We got more to come
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fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rover.
Are here, Jenkins? Also, we've

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got our guys sit in today with
us, He said. I asked Ryan

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this about you know, being a
U a grad. You're not a grad

596
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yet, but m's sense of being
a U A student at this time of

597
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year with us everything going on,
it's definitely unique for sure, looking into

598
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the academic state, and it's the
sports athletics, but for me. Right

599
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.280
now, I think what's what I
felt the most is, uh, the

600
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.840
amount of people that are engaged with
sports now at the university. It seemed

601
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:42.079
like before maybe when I first got
here, it wasn't as like the football

602
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.760
games, there wasn't as many people
involved. But now it seems like there's

603
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.039
more buying. But when you think
of the academics, I think that right

604
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.079
now it won't impact maybe many many
students that are currently here, but in

605
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.679
the future, I think it's really
going to impact it. Yeah, the

606
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:04.559
financial situation I could, you know, yeah, well in terms of you

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know, just uh, you know
the appeal classes available and you know,

608
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.000
whether you'll have all the resources that
you need, uh, you know when

609
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.360
you're going to that. That's that's
the part that can be uh, you

610
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.480
know, a little dicey for what's
going on right now. They got to

611
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.159
figure out how to you know,
it's like there's this you know, millions

612
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:28.519
and millions of dollars that that that
are you know, people don't know where

613
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.559
went, but you know, the
feeling being that you know, they've still

614
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.440
they've got to maintain a level,
a certain level of the quality of the

615
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.159
education. They can't lose any of
where they are and let this financial stuff

616
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.360
impact that. And that's the problem. Yeah, Like I said, luckily,

617
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.639
I am at a point where this
is my my last semester here.

618
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.960
But if I was, if I
was graduating high school right now, it

619
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.400
would be something that I would definitely
consider. Yeah, that's that. And

620
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.679
that's the thing, right. You
know, if you're a parent, right

621
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.599
and you're looking for a great place
for your kid to go to school,

622
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.800
you know the stuff going on in
Arizona, not not not the athletics at

623
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.239
all, just you know, the
finances of it and the chaos of all

624
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.639
of it, You're gonna think twice. Now. You may still send your

625
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:20.239
kid there, but you're gonna you
might have some reservations about it. Now.

626
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.920
Look, if I'm if look,
I'm thinking if I had a kid

627
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.639
graduated from high school this year and
they said they wanted to go to the

628
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.880
u A, I would say,
great, I would have no problem with

629
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.079
it. But you know, I'm
from here. You know I've got history

630
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:37.360
there. If you're from New Mexico, right, you're saying, I don't

631
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.679
know, I don't know. I
know if you as the place, because

632
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.480
we're in the business and I kind
of don't. I shouldn't saybody, will

633
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.519
you have a kid who wants to
be a sportswriter, that wants to be

634
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.360
a journalist, and they want to
come here, go to issue for concat

635
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.679
or whatever. What do you say. I'm saying, find something else to

636
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.960
do. I mean, I'm being
serious, yes, oh yeah, And

637
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.960
that's why I was over serious.
I'm not encouraging my kids to go to

638
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.199
go into journalism. I may encourage
him to go into some sort of a

639
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:08.719
communication field, but not specifically journalism, right and and and you know you

640
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.039
can argue that, but to of
my two of my three kids did that.

641
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.880
You know, Adam is a communication
major, and and he's you know,

642
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.440
he's in communications, but he's in
he's on the other side of me.

643
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.400
He's in public relations. He's in
in media communications at the College of

644
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.639
Science. My daughter, Rachel is
is in graphic design sort of not communications

645
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.719
the way we think of it.
But she's in the you know, the

646
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.840
marketing communication piece of sure of business. But not she's not she's not a

647
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:37.960
journalist. My son is doing the
same thing at the University of Maryland.

648
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.119
So there are jobs out there,
obviously, yeah, but not jobs in

649
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.800
the sports world right given what's going
on right and you're finding that out as

650
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.519
well. Now yep, yeah,
definitely. But yeah, it's such a

651
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.880
strange time that what's going on with
the academics, because the athletics here obviously

652
00:42:53.960 --> 00:43:00.320
growing so fast that combine that with
what's going on academic. If if that

653
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.199
problem wasn't going on, I assume
the enrollment would would go up big time.

654
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.320
But now a lot of people are
gonna have to consider that and compare

655
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.159
it to Arizona State. Obviously,
the kids from out of state, maybe

656
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.960
the California kids want to come to
Arizona, you know, considering Arizona State

657
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:20.760
or Arizona it's gonna play a factor
in that. Yeah, okay, I'm

658
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.199
not sure why I went there,
but it's it's just the state of the

659
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.440
world right now, and especially the
university where this town is is kind of

660
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:30.480
like the owns it or or it's
they're so married together, you know,

661
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.000
they're married and one does well,
the other does well, and the city

662
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.599
backs it pretty heavily. Yeah,
it's uh yeah, I mean it's uh.

663
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.320
Look, the bottom line is you
don't want to be in the situation

664
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.599
they're in right now. No,
no, no, And I was gonna

665
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.519
ask. I don't know who I
was gonna ask, maybe maybe Leve yesterday

666
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.199
because the border regions, I think
we're gonna have a meeting today. They

667
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.360
haven't heard what's out I have in
front of me. But not that's I'll

668
00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:00.440
save it for breaking news because it
doesn't involve Heki or anything like that involves

669
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.679
other things that that Okay, eventually, Jay, you buy this car,

670
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.480
you buy this nice Mercedes, and
it may or may not be in your

671
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.280
price range, but you really like
it. And it's one hundred thousand.

672
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.440
I don't even know what a Mercedes
cost. And you think, okay,

673
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.920
maybe I have a we're spending it's
gonna cost me twelve hundred dollars a month

674
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.679
to pay for it. How long
is it gonna take? You do pay

675
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.199
that? So if they have two
hundred and forty million, how long will

676
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:28.000
that be? It can take forever? It's like a student load for kids

677
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.519
today. It could be like a
thirty year mortgage. Yeah no, yeah,

678
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.320
no, there's no easy there's no
easy climb out of that. Yeah.

679
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.480
And three years ago we were talking
this with Dave, and Dave's been

680
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:46.800
very God, I'm missing the word
very transparent, transparent with forty five million

681
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.639
was the number three years ago,
and they were trying to figure out a

682
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.280
way. Obviously one of the ways
was to borrow money against the school.

683
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:59.440
But how quickly would that have been
paid? And now you're just yeah,

684
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.519
no, and it's gotten worse.
It's got worse, you know, And

685
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.440
you know we're sitting here thinking because
remember every time they they you know,

686
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.199
they redid you know, the football
facility, did this, they did that

687
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.599
with that. Wait a minute,
we thought they didn't have any money.

688
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.360
Sure well they didn't. Sure,
sure they do. No, No,

689
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.360
Jay, you assigned me to do
story on he uh pre you know,

690
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.039
doing a feature story and he mentioned
talking about that that wing, that area

691
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.400
where sixth Street is, that corner
right area where they wanted to have this

692
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.519
great they want to build and entertainment
and yes, right, that ain't happening.

693
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.480
Well the u A is not doing
it right right, so they have

694
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.519
all these plans. Now we all
have to be put on hold. Everything's

695
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.679
on hold. They said, after
the what do they do? Uh?

696
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.719
What are they working on right now? He said that the west side,

697
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.159
not that they're they're not doing the
west side. What do they I can't

698
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.239
remember they're wrapping up something, but
they're saying, you know, there'll be

699
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.599
well, there's a there's a project
that's like coming to you and once that's

700
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.719
done, everything else is on hold. Well, there's and it's likely that

701
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.519
the next person up, well,
it's not likely Forteki will be with the

702
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.639
president. It'll be on the next
guy right right, right, And that's

703
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:15.239
and that you know that that may
impact whether or not, you know,

704
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.320
the the quality of of of t
Todate Arizona gets for its athletic director.

705
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.880
You ever, you ever meet a
guy of that statue of the president,

706
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.480
whoever it is, or then a
d or a football coach not have the

707
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.320
ego to say I can pull this
off. They're there. Yeah, there

708
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.679
they do. They do watch me
and watch me yeah, why yeah,

709
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:43.199
wow? Watch the other guy said
they've tried it, yeah, and good

710
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.400
luck to you. Well, and
it's gonna take a person with that kind

711
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.559
of mentality, right, a person
who can say this is doable, I'm

712
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.199
capable of doing it, and this
is how and this is the place that

713
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.239
I would wouldn't mind going to do
that. It's gonna take it. You

714
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:00.320
know, they're not gonna go get
the athletic director at Michigan and or stand.

715
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.559
But you know they might go get
you know, the Nevada A d

716
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.639
or the U t s A A
d uh. You know, these people

717
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.000
say that the Baylor and Utah eds, you know, Mark Colin and Utar

718
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.920
are probably out of reach. Okay, So you go get the next person

719
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.679
who's got the competencies and it's ready
for a step up, and who has

720
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.719
the confidence to be able to come
over here and say, okay, I

721
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.639
can do this. I'm willing to
take my shot at it. And then

722
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.519
they do and and you know,
I mean think things weren't great when Cedric

723
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.719
Dempsey got here, Well we have
three minutes. I wasn't here at the

724
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.599
time. Tell me, well,
Fred Fred Snowden had just been fired.

725
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:43.239
The the you know, Arizona was
in the whack. You know, Ben

726
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.800
Lindsay had been hired. And it
took the program to a death that nobody

727
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:51.760
and to a depth that I don't
think anything. I mean, you thought

728
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.239
it was bad with Kevin Sumlan and
John mcavack. Holy hell, you should

729
00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:01.559
have seen the Ben Lindsay. You
know, the programer was really really a

730
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:07.000
baby brother, barely a baby brother
to to a s U. You know,

731
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.840
it wasn't it wasn't you know,
it didn't feel good about itself.

732
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.159
Dave Strack had done a decent job, but you know, the Arizona had

733
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.920
gotten into the UH, into the
into the UH, you know, Pac

734
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:23.920
ten and it wasn't going great.
Larry Smith was doing okay, but things

735
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.800
were tough and it was it was
kind of this cloud. And Cedric Dempsey

736
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.719
came in here, and you know, and it took charge and you know,

737
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.920
turned the thing into you know,
and really, I mean, I

738
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.239
think it was in the in the
eighties. You can largely argue that Arizona,

739
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.719
you know, you know, lapped
a s U when it came to

740
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.199
to athletics. You know, all
of its athletics became you know past a

741
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.920
SU. SU found saying, oh, well we went to two rose balls.

742
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.760
Okay, yes you did. But
you know, outside of that,

743
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.599
outside of those two seasons, you
can argue that Arizona has had a better

744
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.519
football program since then, clearly a
better basketball program and they and arguably a

745
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.639
better athletic program since then. And
Cedric Dempsey came in and did that and

746
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:12.519
then he ran off to be the
n cua A right with no fault.

747
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.559
And then the gym comes in.
Yeah, and everyone has their own personality.

748
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.320
Jim was Jim. I did a
great job in the nineties to some

749
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.280
maybe not, but did did what
he did h for a long time,

750
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.760
fourteen years, I think it was. And then he moved on, obviously,

751
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.039
and then Greg came in and it
was totally different. It was very

752
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:31.719
It was totally different, I think
in my mind. And I know we

753
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.320
have a minute a half in my
mind, Jay, maybe you agree with

754
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:40.559
me or not. Things changed at
UVA how they handled things in McHale.

755
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.719
And I'm not gonna say it was
a bad thing. I'll say it was

756
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.400
more bad than good because it became
less family, right, that's the thing.

757
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.000
Less family, less cozy less.
You know you need a hug,

758
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.880
I'll give you a hug. It
was more corporate. Yeah, And that

759
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.119
doesn't mean it's bad. But it
wasn't any good. It wasn't. It

760
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.239
was way different from what Jim living
good and Demon Song's not that Gun two

761
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.639
so's not that Yeah, and well, I think, but people loved like

762
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.760
Greg Byrne as a as a person. He was a personal guy. Everybody

763
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.519
liked him. You know, somebody
mentioned him would Greg Burn come back to

764
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:16.800
Arizona, I said, And I
said, Arizona would not take him,

765
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.000
you know, because the place was
there were a lot of things that went

766
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.000
wrong while he was Circumstances were not
good. But but even then, they

767
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.440
need somebody to give it a hug. It needs a hug. It needs

768
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.639
a hug. It does needs a
hug. And it lost that. Yeah,

769
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.159
and Dave Hekey was a huggy kind
of guy, but at a time

770
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.920
where there was so much chaos,
and you know that he came. Yeah,

771
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.000
he did. I think he did
the best he could. Right,

772
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.039
That's that's a hard job. And
it's still a hard job. It's gonna

773
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.440
get Yeah, you're not gonna get
any easier. But I was just wondering

774
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.000
if you felt the same way in
those transitions from Greg. Yeah, I

775
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.880
think you. I think you hit
it on the nose. Okay, all

776
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:55.920
right, let's take a break.
We're at the top of the hour.

777
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.320
We're gonna come back, and said
it's gonna have breaking news, let's stick

778
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:05.679
around. Totally hit a smash