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Welcome to Spacing Out with Bob and
Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four

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episode six Faith. Welcome back.
I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and this

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is spacing Out where today we will
be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you are

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new to the show, first,
welcome, Second, you should know we're

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gonna have a spoiler section at the
end of the podcast where we are free

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to discuss any future events in the
show, but otherwise we won't be spoiling

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anything past this episode, which is
Battlestar Galactica season four, episode six Faith.

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This aired on May ninth, two
thousand and eight. Written by Seamus

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Kevin Faye, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count was thirty nine thousand,

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six hundred and seventy five, which
was a loss of one from the

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last episode who died. I don't
know the lady who was in this episode

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that died, but they don't count
her before she's dead. No, so

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maybe something because I show that number
in the credits. In this episode,

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a mutiny attempt aboard the Demetrius ends
with Gaeta being shot in the leg by

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Yonder's Starbuck investigates the open story about
Cylon Civil War and returns with a Cylon

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base ship. The ship's hybrid cryptically
tells her that the final five Cylons know

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a way to Earth and that's the
number of three easy to be unboxed in

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order to identify them. And on
Galactica, President Roslin undergoes cancer treatments and

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has long conversations with another patient who
is a convert to Guys Baltaar's monotheistic preachings.

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Five check Did we like the episode
overall? How does it stand the

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test of time? Did you like
that episode? I do like this episode

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quite a bit. I think it's
a really good one. I mean,

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last episode we were talking about how
like not a whole lot of interesting stuff

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happened, and I feel like this
episode picked up where it left off and

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gave us a lot more. Yeah, it gave us a bunch. We're

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moving and shaking. Yeah, it
was a lot of action right off the

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bat, and we got to see
some of these storylines kind of come together

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with the Cylons finally counting each other. They're like, oh, yeah,

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there is five of us that we
don't know about. Well, this finally

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like meeting up with the humans.
Oh yeah, that too, And there's

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getting more and more scared of being
found out, but also really curious about

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the psylon experience, Like he wanted
to touch the Gooden he was ready.

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He's like, I wonder what it
does to me? Yeah, so it

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was good. And then motherfuckers,
right, he's like so trigger happy.

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He shot two people today. Well
the second one wasn't really his choice,

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but he was holding the gun.
So lots of death in this one.

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Yeah. And then our scenes with
Laura Roslin were engaging. I think they

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were a little long winded a little
bit, Yeah, but I was okay.

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It was nice to take a moment
with her, and it kind of

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balanced the episode in a way.
Yeah. Yeah, we need to see

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what we needed to see what was
going on on Galactica. It's been a

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while since we were in this episode. It's very heavy on the pylon human

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interactions and that what's going on with
Demetris or whatever the ship is called the

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mission. So I was glad to
like jump back to Galactica and get a

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little human interest story on Rosalind.
Her grandma looks like Betty White or her

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mom, I mean, and all
I can think of when she was looking

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at her mom across the river,
was you changed her diaper? You brought

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that up, So now that's what
I'm thinking about. It would have been

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a great spot for some cameos.
Yeah, her family is that Mike Myers,

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Who do you think they could get
to cameo? I mean there was

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a notable cameo in this episode already, right with the Emily. Yeah,

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and some people I didn't notice at
first. You had to point it out

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and then it was really blatantly obvious. Is that part of trivia? Yeah?

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Okay, well do you want to
do that? Yep? Okay,

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But we like the episode, like
that's consensus trivia time. What facts could

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we uncover? For Faith Baltar his
voices throughout this whole episode. A lot

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of his wireless broadcasts contains a number
of phrases from the to be here not

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to be soliloquy of Hamlet. Oh. I don't know why, but Shakespeare.

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Maybe he's like the Shakespeare of this
generation, because you know, they

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already have a Jimi Hendrix, so
they should have a Shakespeare. Or the

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writers are just a bunch of nerds. The hybrid, the speech it repeats

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a lot borrows some tanks from the
Biblical Book of jerem It was Jeremiah.

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I never heard of the biblical book
of Jeremiah. Is that in the Bible?

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Oh? Okay, jeremiahs And I
knew that name sounded biblical when I've

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heard it on people's people's but I
didn't realize there was a whole book of

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Jeremiah. I thought he was just
named in passing. Okay, who was

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he? Do you know anything about
Jeremiah or the Book of Jeremiah. I'm

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not a church person, so I
don't know anything about the books of the

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Bible. Well, I know Genesis
and Revelations. Is Revelations the one with

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the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Yeah, yeah, that's all I know.

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I know the beginning of the end. I think Jeremiah is a very

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kind of sad book. It's like
it's a lament oh if i'm remember incorrectly,

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kind of a poetic book. Interesting. Um so Greek mythology, it's

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very present in the episode. Yeah, they talk about Athena or no Ephrodite.

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Emily's description of the Lord of Cobal
and their behaviors consistent with Greek mythology.

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When speaking of her mother's death,
Laura Roslin mentions a field of elysium.

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A portion of the Greek on their
world were heroic or virtuous souls.

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In the bafter death, Baltar is
preaching of the symbolism of a boat crossing

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a river to the land of the
dead. Is very similar to the Greek

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legends involving the river sticks. It
can be expected that Baltar borrows some of

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his teachings from an established religion that
people are very familiar with. This parallels

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the rise of Christianity, which express
some of its ideas through existing cultural forms

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of the Roman polytheistic religions. Right, Like, oh, you guys celebrate

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this harvest festival that around this time
of year. That's crazy because that's when

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our Lord and Savior was born or
something. I don't know. They always

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like meet things up and they're like, how interesting that we're having a like

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a celebration on a solstice. Interesting. Yeah, you can't bring something too

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radically different because then people just reject
it. Right, right, you're already

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celebrate renewal, So if we just
throw in a berth or something in there.

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Everybody loves a story about a baby
being born as long as they get

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to party. Nana Visitor plays Emily. You may know her as Kira on

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Star Trek Deep Space nine, where
she worked with Ronald D. Moore,

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and she was originally considered for a
Starbucks mother last season, but she was

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unavailable. Oh I'm glad they didn't
use her as a Starbucks mother because Starbucks

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mother was off putting. Yeah,
not that this character wasn't with her scary

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teeth, but it was just I
liked her in this role. I'm glad

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we got that dream sequence where she
didn't have to look like she did in

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that bed. Oh my god.
Yeah, that wasn't the last image she

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wanted to remember her by. I
got an okay boomer fact, okay boomer.

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Let's look at any connection to the
original Battlestar Galactica series. So Starbuck

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has that painting that she believes is
a comment going through space and later realize

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it's a drifting baceship that's damage.
But that image bears a visual resemblance to

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the Ship of Lights from the original
series, and the Ship of Lights was

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a spacecraft used by the Beings of
Light, and the ship could transport people

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to another dimension. The Beings of
Light were the ones that helped primitive humans

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on Cobal develop their civilization, and
they were thought of as angels by the

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humans. They appear in two episodes
of the original series, are implied to

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be in the sequel series Galactical nineteen
eighty implied to be. Yeah, there's

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a character that they never outright say
that that's a being of Light, but

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it's kind of understood, like,
Okay, we know who he is.

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He's a celebrity and that brings us
out of trivia deep space dive. Let's

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break down some of our thoughts on
the episode. You can share your thoughts

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with us through email, Facebook,
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on an upcoming episode. Well,
this episode starts with guns blazing. Hell

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yeah, They're like, you need
to calm down. No, you calm

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down. I'm gonna give my gun
out because that makes things calm. Like

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whoa, I can't believe that.
Starbuck almost took them on, like she

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started fighting against it, but then
they disarmed her and the first thing they

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pointed at was her vagina. They
didn't point the gun at her face.

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They lowered the gun but still pointed
it at her. But it was like,

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I'm like what. I don't know
if you noticed. It was really

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subtle. They were pointing it like
down on her abdomen or bought lower body,

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which okay, I guess that's where
you would rather point. But anders

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then eventually like was pointing down and
shot somebody, which I guess is good

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because at least he didn't shoot him
in the head, you know, like

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a headshot. It look it's more
believable that something like that would happen in

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that kind of like escalated tension,
So I can't believe it was fucking Felix

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though, fucking Data, poor Data, Gata, sorry Gata. I hate

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saying his name sometimes because it feels
homophobic, but his name is Felix,

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right, okay, Yeah, And
he's like already not having a good time

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on the ship. He's like sweaty. He's used to being very prim and

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clean and like in the nice ship, so now he's like in this toilet

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chip sweating his balls off, probably
not having nice access to regular bathing,

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and with other sweaty people just all
up in your business. So I feel

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like really bad for him. He's
just having a bad time, and then

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nobody's taking care of his wound dressing
it looks like it looks like he has

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the same bloody rag the whole fifteen
hours that they're there, which is not

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really recommended for wound care. I
mean, I hope they're changing it.

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You need to clean it, like
initially at least every two hours if it's

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draining or anything like that. You
really got to clean that wound. I'm

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glad they got the bullet out.
But when you saw her digging in his

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leg and I think his bone snapped, was that bone I saw? Okay,

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I was like, this is disgusting, and then yeah, I really

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like that. But it was like
sick and very painful. And in the

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first like ten minutes of the episode, so um, and they're arguing,

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but after Felix gets shot, they're
like, Okay, maybe it's not worth

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us arguing all this over. We'll
compromise. Suddenly the start thinking you other

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solutions. It took a motherfucker to
get shot and almost lose a leg.

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He might lose a leg. I
don't know. That looked disgusting, And

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then I feel like if they were
valuing his life, they would have just

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jumped right there. That's It's what
I don't get. If so starbucking them

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leave, They have to sit there
for fifteen hours. Why can't they jump

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back to Galactica, get Gata in
the duck coddle, and then you know,

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jump back to meet Right, it's
the same place. I don't know.

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Did they run out of fuel?
Like you can get refueled at Galactica?

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Yeah, I don't know. This
plan didn't make a lot of sense

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to me, but it was I
guess entertaining to have a clock running.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely, That's
not something that I would have noticed on

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my first time watching, probably,
but yeah, stopping, you think about

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it and like, well can't they
just because Gata has to get medical attention,

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y'all obviously don't know what you're doing, and they yeah, I don't

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know. But anyway, after they
decide to compromise, Starbuck leaves and is

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greeted by Number six with a grudge
against the girl that was really willing to

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follow Starbuck anywhere she fucking went.
Yeah, her name was Barkley Barley,

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and she's kind of a Cylon hater, which is like, why would you

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come on this piece mission if you're
obviously not into peace with science? It

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sounds like she really believes in Starbuck
finding Earth, well, she pays with

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her life, and I guess she
watched number six drown, which is weird

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and creepy. I don't know if
I could watch something so humanoid, just

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like drown and die. The dehumanization
of the Cylon race is so real in

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this. And then there's even like
self Cylon hate when Sharon watches the other

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Sharon die and it's because they had
some sort of disagreement that was really petty,

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and she even said you were right. Those were her last words.

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Basically, I was wrong, you
were right, and that's her and this

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time they're really dead and Anders definitely
picks up on that, and it was

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a little weird because they had such
a quiet moment. It made me uncomfortable.

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But there was a bunch of stuff
that happened just in between those times,

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like when because they didn't want Starbuck
to talk to the Hybrid, which

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I don't know why, because nobody
understands what the fuck the hybrid is talking

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about. Anyway, It's like,
sure, if you can decipher something out

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of what she's saying, go for
it. I don't understand their protection of

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a hybrid, especially when they don't
really respect the Hybrid. It's weird.

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I think it varies between the cylons
because like Leo Wynn thinks, the Hybrids

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are like just speaking prophecy all the
time and everything has meaning, but the

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majority of the silence are like,
you know, they're just like a part

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of the ship. So I'm just
like, now, all of a sudden,

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you're so protective of like your catalytic
converter or something. What Well,

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they refer to the hybrid as like
the central nervous system, so it's like

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they're protective because it's a big security
issue. Oh okay, because they didn't

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just get blown up by the other
Cylons. What do you got to lose?

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I don't. I still don't get
it like it is. And the

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thing is they had to take her
offline regardless if they wanted to get out

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of there. They were either waiting
for death or taking a chance on salvation.

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I just I don't Sometimes I don't
understand why the Cylons make decisions like

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this. But Starbuck gets what she
wants anyway. Throughout this episode, she

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gets what she wants and she might
get answers with what they're talking about.

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Now, whatever the Hybrid told her, it took a number six to fucking

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translate it. But they got it
because Starbuck was still like, I don't

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know what she meant, like,
I don't know what you want for me?

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What are you talking about an opera
house? She has no idea,

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And I don't know. What I'm
interested in is to know if the number

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six models all have that same dream
or vision. Because the one that's held

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captive on Galactica does have those visions
and she shared that with Laura. So

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do they all have that vision because
they're all connected in a weird way.

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I just wonder because their dreams are
we're seeing right now in this episode.

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This proves that multiple people can have
the same dream, So what's not to

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say that the Silence can all have
the same dream. I don't know.

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I'm just putting things together here.
I don't know. I don't think we've

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been given anything to say that it
is anyone other than Kaprica Sicks having that

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dream, right and Atha? But
then how come all of the hidden Cylons

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are all having the same brain delusion
of hearing that song? I don't know.

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So they could put together the opera
house right there, but I don't

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know if they will based on how
juicy of a piece of the puzzle that

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is. And I'm sure they're waiting
for one of the lead actors to reveal

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it soon, hopefully, remember,
I don't know, but yeah, I

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feel like I have visions about an
opera house, and I know all about

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the six and the thirteen and the
four and the five. I couldn't understand

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any of what the hybrid was saying
neither, but she said something like that,

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I don't know, do you have
any theories? That's my theory right

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now. It's like, I want
to know if all the sixes have had

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this opera dream, because it seems
that humans and cylons can see the same

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thing or hear the same thing,
so can they dream the same thing?

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I don't know how, or do
they have to be one of the cylons

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that were at the opera house to
have that? But I don't know,

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I don't know. I'm so confused. This episode made my little wheels turn

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and I'm really excited for the next
one. I think I think it is

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specifically Kaprico six and Athena in that
dream with Rosalind. Okay, okay,

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so they're specific models and Athena's there, so she would understand that reference.

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And I don't know if they've told
people about this dream that they've shared or

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that's kind of just under wraps,
because you probably wouldn't want to share that

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if you're the president. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, And maybe Athena that

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hasn't talked to Number six to like
say that we've had the same dream,

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so maybe she hasn't put it together
that it's a shared tree. Interesting,

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Okay, Well, I don't know
anything else we need to talk about.

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We were talking about, um,
the number six and Barclay, and I

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just I like that, like we
get to have an idea of like what

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death is like for the cylons.
There's a lot of death for the cylons

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in this episode. Yeah, but
like it's when they're when it's traumatic,

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like it stays with them, right
right, it's not just like you remember

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it. Death isn't just this revolving
door like it matters, right, Yeah.

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And it's interesting that she didn't get
over it. And I wonder how

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many other like do is there.
Obviously there's multiple versions of different models,

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and they will box a whole model. I wonder how many times they've had

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to box just an individual of a
model because they're erratic or unruly. They're

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obviously a really good at killing centurions, and even hybrids are easy to replace

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apparently. I don't know, but
I wonder if they have like a way

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of dealing with what's perceived to be
as mental illness to some extent or or

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you know, because she has like
PTSD and she probably has some sort of

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depression anxiety like something that's causing her
to remember this and not let it go.

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And I want, like they said, we talked about this, remember,

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So do they have like group therapy? What's going on? Yeah?

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I mean we kind of saw a
little bit of that when we were with

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caps Kaprica six and Boomer when they
were back on Earth. They were back

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on Earth. Oh I'm sorry,
not Earth Caprica. Oh okay, okay,

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So when they were back on Caprica, what happened? They were trying

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to like rehabilitate those two. Oh
yeah, they had kind of paired them

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up together because they thought they could
help each other. Yeah. Yeah,

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so yeah, I think they are
trying to help each other process. They're

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also they're a very young society,
like a few decades. Oh yeah,

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so you know, they're it's probably
all very new to them having to deal

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with Elvis. Yeah, I wanted
to point out when they when they jump

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the raptor to the crash graveyard place, they seemed to jump like right in

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the middle of it, right like
there was no way of knowing that they

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wouldn't have jumped right into a ship
right like with halfway in a wall or

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something. Yeah, you want to
talk about President Roslin and her six scarf.

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It was so long, it was
like almost hair. She was so

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bald. Holy shit, when she
was talking to Tori, that head was

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like shining. Yeah, that was
I didn't know she had such a big

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old head. They did it almost
like a reveal, like we're in the

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scene for a little bit before we
actually cut to this her her bald cap,

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which in the commentary they talked about
how they actually had to like reduce

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it in with the effects because it
was so like bulbous. I bet she

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looked like an alien or something.
That's funny, and it still seemed like

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large to me. It was a
big old head. Oh that's so bad,

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and so smooth, like she's gotta
be shaving with a razor. And

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I feel like they should have put
some veins in it. Or something something

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to make it look realistic a little
bit, like a little contour. I

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don't know. It was just so
pale and white. It would have been

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funny if she had like a sun
tan in the shape of her bangs or

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you know, like sometimes when she's
getting any sun. Oh, you're right,

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Well, you don't think they have
those satellites on ships. Maybe hopefully

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because I feel like seasonal depression.
There's probably like such a thing as like

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ship depression or sailor depression or something
like that. People who are stuck in

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a tin can for months and months
and months, they should have like an

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outdoor simulator or something. But I
don't know. This is an old ship

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too, I don't know. But
yeah, at least some lights. She

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could have had a little tan just
on her her part, just one little

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line where her part is. So
yeah, she's delegating work to Tori.

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She's like, girl, I'm gonna
be way offline, so you need to

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be extra vigilant, not knowing that
Tori's a fucking cylon and she feels no

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guilt or remorse about playing both sides
of the field. But and Laura's like,

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I noticed that you're working extra hard
now and used to be super stressed,

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but now you're not. And she
just left it at that. She

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didn't say what's different or you know, yeah, she didn't pry or anything,

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which I don't know if I like
that or if I hate that,

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because what would have Tori said?
That's what I want to know, like,

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what's your secret? Fucking Baltar on
the regular apparently, or like I

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didn't get the sense, but like, was she implying that she knows how

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much time she's spending with Maltar's cult? Oh maybe she's like, h I

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can tell you got a little sugar
in your tank or something. I think

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that means queer actually, but maybe
maybe she knows. Oh I didn't even

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think about that. But I mean, as much time as Tory goes,

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surely somebody would have said something or
sawn something by now crazy. But she

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goes to Doc Coddle, and Doc
Coddles like, right, he just always

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give me that vibe. He's just
working in this episode. Yeah, he's

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not lecturing or anything. No,
no, no, he's actually he's like,

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we need to make her comfortable.
That's his line that I remember watching

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Somebody Dies Not easy. That's definitely
part of this episode, and more people

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do witness death in this episode than
in lots of other episodes, even like

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episodes where there's battles and shit.
I feel like we don't see death this

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prade this way in the show often, which is interesting. We got cilon

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death and then cilon like trauma because
of death, and then we got human

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death and human trauma because of death, and how that was really interesting.

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I like that, Like it was
very coherent and very obvious how we were

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moving through that, and how the
humans are dealing with their death, and

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how Gaius is helping certain humans in
a way that they haven't been helped before

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through death and grieving, which is
interesting. He's like giving the people a

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new hope. Sorry, but it
is true. He's giving people a hope

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that like there's this afterlife where I
get to see my relatives and I get

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to go on this nice boat ride
and I'm in my Sunday best And I

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can't believe no one ever thought of
a death like that in all their years

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of existence and civilization, because surely
not everybody's polytheistic or not everybody believes in

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the same gods. There's other cultures
and people there's other planets, for Christ's

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sakes, So how come this colony
is so shaken by this idea of one

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true God? It's interesting, like
everybody's eating it up. She's like,

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oh, let me trace that Christianity. I don't know. And it's I

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think it's alluring. I think it
feels safe, and it's like giving people

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like a better explanation of their current
situation. Yeah, it's giving them some

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meaning, some purpose. Like the
woman was talking about, like how her

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family gets wiped away in the attacks
and then she lives in a multi room

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for a few years only to be
killed by her own body illness. Yeah,

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her body attacking herself. Yeah.
Yeah, And there's probably so many

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people that feel so contained. Yeah, and the gods haven't helped them.

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Where are the gods? Dude?
So when the gods die, what else

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do you believe it? And Baltar
is giving them the sab to their wounds.

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It's interesting. I don't know.
I like this episode because it's it's

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like giving us some cool action,
a lot of blood, a lot of

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gore. But then also it's not
all like for nothing. There's like this

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deep meaning behind a lot of it, and it's like people are reflecting upon

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it. They're like sitting with it
in a way that we do sit with

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death. We can't just shake it
off. It's like this thing that's always

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looming and how do you cope with
that. It's interesting. I really liked

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it. Yeah, and Rosalind gets
to explore some of her trauma with her

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own mother's death. Yeah, she
kind of confronting her fear of death right

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because she didn't want to be that
person. That's like what I got from

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it. She's like superimposing her personal
feelings and ideas onto her mother's death because

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she remembers what it was like to
take care of her at that time,

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like this strong, independent leader who
was also a teacher. So she had

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like little kids. I don't know
if they were little kids. She said

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they would walk through fire for her, And I'm like, I don't want

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my students to walk through fire for
me. That's not what I want.

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They would do anything for me,
but not walk I don't want kids.

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I don't want to imagine that.
So it was such a triggering for me.

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I was like upset by that kind
of phrasing and terminology because but I

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see what they were trying to do
their painting a picture of this person.

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But that was a little too much. Just but it was funny listening to

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that story and her talking about her
mom, and then you at the end

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you see what she looked like,
and I'm like, I didn't imagine her

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looking like this at all. I
wanted like an older version of her,

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like not like a really like a
she looked like the Queen of England or

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like Betty White. And I'm like, I don't know, I didn't believe

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it. I wouldn't walk through fire
for that lady. She looked like a

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mean teacher, like if she was
a teacher, she'd probably tell kids to

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like spit out their gum and be
quiet. I don't know. I wanted

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her to be like a nicer teacher, looking like maybe like a little hippie

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because she believed in Athena and all
this shit. I don't know. I

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was a little disappointed with the person. And she's wearing this bright pink or

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blue what was what color was she
wearing? It was like an obnoxious easter

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color. Yeah, it all did
look very like everybody's going to easter.

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Yeah, and I I just,
yeah, I just don't know. I

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didn't like the costuming on that.
It would have been cool if they were

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just wearing like togas or but they
I don't know. I guess it's the

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New God. So the New God's
got to give you like pearls and and

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floral dresses. Um, I don't
know. It was interesting. Um that

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boat was big too. I wasn't
expecting the boat to be so big.

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I was hoping for like a more
rustic boat for some reason. I don't

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know why. I don't know where
they get a rustic boat. Yeah,

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that fell out of place, like
when that ship first comes on yeah screen,

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because I guess I would expect like
a kind of small little boat that

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they're paddling. Yeah, And it
would have been cool if they could like

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make one to look like wood or
natural like materials, because I feel like

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a canoe can hold two people if
they're like a little wider, and they

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didn't have to, like they could
just be sitting on the boat. There's

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ways to like get a boat to
the middle of the river and then just

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let it sit there, Like you
could have anchored it so that they the

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actors were just sitting in a canoe
looking out. But they wanted this river

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to be huge, and they wanted
this land to be so green and lush,

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and it was jarring because I'm so
used to this gray aesthetic that I

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was like, where are we?
What is happening? I wish they would

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have like hazed us in or eased
us into this, or it would have

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been cool if it was like night
stars, like her looking out her window

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in the night, and then it
fades to that blue rich water. Give

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me some like ted. They spent
their fucking CGI budget on making her head

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less big. I don't know.
It would have been cool if they framed

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it more dream like, is what
I'm saying. It didn't. It felt

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weird and surreal and out of place. But she was so excited about it,

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and I was like, oh.
She had to go tell Bill right

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away in the middle of the night. She's like, I had the same

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dream, and He's like, yeah, you will. I guess that's what

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you're gonna do now. I like
that moment with them at the end.

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Yeah, there's a Dama who has
like notably been very very much like an

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atheist through most of the series,
is now like I believe in you,

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I believe in finding Earth. Yeah, it was just some lie, I

404
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.599
told, but now it's going to
happen. Yeah. And his smile,

405
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.440
it was so cute and iconic.
Yeah. You don't realize how seldom he

406
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.960
smiles until he does. Yeah,
and then it's a joy. It was

407
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.440
so welcome. And then the episode
ended and you're like, oh my god,

408
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:53.240
they're gonna find earths and it's very
hopeful. And I like that too.

409
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.480
And he's also worried about all his
kids he sent away. Oh yeah,

410
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.559
his babies. Oh, he's gonna
be upset when he finds out one

411
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.680
of them died. But yeah,
good episode. I really liked it.

412
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:10.599
I'm really excited for the next one. Astral queen. Who was the standout

413
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.799
character in the episode? Who's your
astral queen? I don't know. I

414
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.400
really want to pick Onders. I
was thinking about him, but he's also

415
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.480
the one that shot. But I
think that's hilarious. I think it's hilarious

416
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:30.400
because he's so high, strong and
emotional and he's like totally invested. I

417
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.960
think I want to give it to
Anders because he does the best acting he's

418
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.200
ever done too, especially when he's
about to touch the goo. Oh my

419
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.240
god, I was so tense.
I was I saw him looking at it.

420
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.200
I saw him eye involved in it, and I was like, he's

421
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:50.200
thinking what I'm thinking. So I'm
giving it to Anders. Another contestant or

422
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:55.960
another one that I considered was Emily
because she's like, I don't give a

423
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.200
fuck, you're the president. I'm
going to listen to my shows. You

424
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.200
better not fucking turn it off.
And then she's like kind of backtracks and

425
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.160
she's like, I don't listen to
him because he talks shit on you.

426
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:13.759
But I like his message, but
his message is talking shit on her.

427
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.519
So it was I liked her though
her character was nice. It was like

428
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.640
very frank and real, and I
feel like she treated the president in a

429
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.680
way that the president hasn't been treated
in a long time, like a human.

430
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.400
Yeah, so it was cool.
But Anders is tripping on shit,

431
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.599
accidentally shooting people because somebody forces you
to. It was fun. He's just

432
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.680
kind of if you would have put
that Benny Hill soundtrack on him when he

433
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:44.680
shot Gaida, it would have been
fucking gold. There is like layers,

434
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.440
So what's going on with Anders?
Because he's also like in the middle of

435
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.319
a Cylon ship surrounded by cylons and
the hybrid and like at any moment he's

436
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.920
worried that someone is going to realize
who he is. Yeah, and then

437
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.559
they in the episode with them like
going out a plan to find out who

438
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.759
the final five Cylon are right,
and he's like, I know three of

439
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:12.119
those dudes, we're fucked. So
I'm I really like his position. Who's

440
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.039
yours? Are you thinking? And
there's two? Yeah, yeah, I

441
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.320
guess you guess who else would have
it have been? I just don't like

442
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.239
to be shot Gaeta. It wasn't
on purpose. If it was on purpose,

443
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.440
it would have been like in the
chest, in the shoulder, in

444
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:35.320
the face. He didn't even apologize. Why would he That motherfucker was screaming

445
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.320
in agony and pain. He's not
going to be in any position to like

446
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:45.360
accept an apology. I know.
All right, And there's two awards coming

447
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.159
your way? Yeah you Cylon fuck? Are you ready for spoilers? Oh

448
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.320
my god? Yes. So that's
that's the end of the main part of

449
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.239
our episode. We will go into
the spoiler section and we will spoil some

450
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things. So if you are not
someone looking for boilers, you know,

451
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.519
leave, you have to leave and
we will see you next time. For

452
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.039
the episode. For the episode called
guess what's coming to dinner? What's coming

453
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:14.440
to dinner? Yep, I feel
like that could be derogatory if you call

454
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.079
somebody like that, guess what's coming
to give dinner, honey, and it's

455
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.760
an actual person that shows up,
and it's like rude calling me a thing.

456
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.920
Yeah, I think it goes into
that dehumanization they were just talking about.

457
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.000
Oh okay, okay, that's interesting. Okay, damn, that's racist.

458
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:40.719
All right, let's do it in
this group. Race for Impact.

459
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Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen
the whole series, now is the time

460
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:52.360
to say goodbye. Remember you can
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461
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:57.519
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Twitter, share your thoughts and be a

462
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:05.079
part of the discussion. Spoiler five
four three two one. Who's coming to

463
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:10.800
dinner? It's the Cylons? Yeah, they're the what Yeah. I think

464
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.079
next episode is also going to be
interesting one because we're jumping that bay ship

465
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:20.360
back to the feet. It's going
to be a rat alert. Everybody's going

466
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.360
to be shooting their pants. Yea. Hopefully it doesn't land on anybody when

467
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.280
it comes in. Now, I'm
sure it'll land and nobody will be hurt

468
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.760
or injured. They'll land perfectly in
the middle of the space. Um,

469
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.920
so the reception is like mild,
medium or hot um because I don't remember

470
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.920
anything. Well, if you really
want me to spoil it, yes,

471
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.519
that's what we're doing. Please.
They're gonna jump both the bay Ship and

472
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:51.480
then Demetrius at the same time because
they're idiots, and the Demetrius has an

473
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.639
issue, so the bay Ship gets
there first. Oh no, and they

474
00:36:53.679 --> 00:37:00.199
don't have any communications. Oh no. So yeah, it's it's a mess.

475
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.800
Yeah, talk about Gata. Gata
is never the same after this.

476
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.719
No, he lost his spunk.
I kind of almost spoiled it in the

477
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.679
beginning where I talked about him losing
a leg. He loses a leg,

478
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:19.679
y'all yep, Oh my god.
And then he's got this cane and this

479
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.199
attitude. I feel like he becomes
somebody who he never thought he'd become,

480
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:30.760
but he everywhere all capable of it
after trauma. You and I feel like

481
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.159
there's no way for him to grieve
this through this, and I'm sure we'll

482
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.800
see it like he hasn't absolutely no
support, which is the difference between the

483
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.239
cylons and the humans in a lot
of weights. The silence took care of

484
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:47.000
each other after they have experienced something
traumatic and they try to work through it.

485
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:53.079
And his leg when it's amputated,
but like it never stops irritating him.

486
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:59.119
Right, Yes, phantom pain,
this physical manifestation of just like what

487
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.920
he's experience acing. Yeah, they
did him so dirty. And the fact

488
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.559
that it is Anders that does pull
the trigger and he will eventually learn that

489
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:13.400
he's a cylon and like as the
as as the colonial fleet begins to like

490
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.639
ally itself with some of these cylons, you know, Data is never okay

491
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.360
with that. No, he's not
on board at all. I wouldn't be

492
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.079
either. Yeah, I wouldn't be
either. So I completely get it.

493
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.679
And it sucks because I'm pretty sure
he dies and he never like it's not.

494
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.360
I feel like his story arc is
just so tragic. It was one

495
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.920
of the most disappointing parts of this
show for me, because I really he's

496
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.199
like a beloved character to me.
Yeah, And another character that I feel

497
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.280
like didn't get the best treatment is
d Like she's she doesn't get back in

498
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.119
the fold, not not as much
she's Yeah, for someone who had such

499
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.559
like a big role seasons two and
three, Like I think we've seen her

500
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.320
like once this season so far.
Yeah, they're treating her like this like

501
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.639
NASA CX wife. We're also we're
just we're not spending a lot of time

502
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.400
in the cic the Yeah, the
season hasn't been a lot about like battle

503
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:15.639
conflicts. It's been a lot of
like interpersonal conflicts and religion and monotheistic like

504
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.719
conflicts between different philosophies and mindsets,
and then Earth and now the Final Five,

505
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.039
and there's no room for the day
to day, which is I like

506
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.079
the day to day like one of
the one I think there was one episode

507
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.519
where they were following around the crew
during a regular day and it was one

508
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.519
of my favorite episodes. So it's
just that's behind us, and now we're

509
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.960
like in the opera house and we're
discovering cylons and it's just different. That's

510
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.400
the episode where Gata had like his
shirt on buttons smoking a cigarette. Yeah,

511
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.440
yeah, see likes And I'm gonna
miss that guy. I'm really gonna

512
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.840
miss him because I know from here
it's kind of downhill for him and it

513
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.480
just sucks. Spoilers, Well,
I feel like that was a show.

514
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.960
Yeah, you got anymore to spoilers
say? Just real quick. The hybrid

515
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:12.320
was kind of dropping some hints about
the Final Five and that she says they

516
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.639
come from the home of the Thirteenth
mean they come from Earth. The truth

517
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.639
is that they the Cylons are the
thirteenth tribe, meaning on Cobal, there

518
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.719
is twelve tribes of humans and none
of the Cylons that they created. Oh

519
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.360
and then when they did the exodus
from Coobal, the Cylons went on their

520
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.280
own. Okay, that's so long
ago. Yeah, okay, that's the

521
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:39.440
story. That's it unfold all right. And then those Cylons, after their

522
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:45.519
Earth was destroyed, they met up
with the Centurions and created the other seven

523
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.519
Cylons that we know. Oh and
they don't remember any of this, but

524
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.440
they know where Earth's the first one, just so when they fucked up.

525
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.760
I can't wait till they find that
fucked up Earth and now their hopes and

526
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.159
dreams are smashed. Yeah, that's
what the show needs, is the hope

527
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:10.880
crushed. I just like it when
bad things happen on TV. It's okay

528
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.159
because it's fiction. All right,
let's get out of here. Yeah,

529
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.480
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530
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.079
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531
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:28.880
medical help immediately. Real thank you
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