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It's The Dearly Departed podcast, featuring
your host, historians Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. All Right, welcome. It is a episode thirty one of

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The Dearly Departed Podcast, and I'm
Mike Dorsey and I'm Scott Michaels, and

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today we're going to talk about Christmas
classic songs and the people who sang them,

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and then at the end we're gonna
go over some of the ones we

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hate. Oh my god, I
can't wait. You have an AX to

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grind. Oh my god, I
have a list like the size of my

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arm. That amazing. Well,
I'm I'm excited. I'm excited you gonna

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do it. Before we get into
that, though, I wanted to ask

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you, did you watch The Being
the Ricardos? I did? Yeah?

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Did you? Yeah? I watched
it to day. I mean I guess

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it came out yesterday. We're recording
this on the twenty seconds, So yeah,

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I loved it. Yeah, I
mean I only had a few reservations

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about it. I can't wait to
watch it again. How did you feel

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about it? I liked it.
I it took me a good well,

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it took me a good half hour
to be convinced of the act thing,

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you know, because you have such
such good you know, we know who

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these people were very well. So
it was difficult for me to get into

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the portrayals. But I did ultimately, and it took me a good hour

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to get in. Maybe it didn't
really grip me until like the last hour.

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The last hour really got me.
I was hooked, and but the

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rest of it I kind of would
just you know, sat through and it

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was just this, all right,
this is interesting. I love seeing the

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sets. That was really cool and
uh and uh. And they did throw

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a lot of information into that one
week. You know. I loved how

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they showed so much of the creative
process, you know, the writer's rooms

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and how involved uh you know Ball
and DESI were in, Yeah, in

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that process and her process. I
liked how they would um, they would

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kind of go into Lucio Ball's mind
as she's being pitched scenes and she's imagining

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how how she would play them.
Yeah, it's real. I thought it

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was really really fascinating. Yeah,
I was nice. I'm glad that they

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portrayed it in such a way that
you know, she was she always said,

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I'm not funny, I'm funny.
On paper or I'm sorry, I'm

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funny in person, I'm funny.
You can do prap falls and uh and

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you know someone else could be really
funny naturally, I'm not. I'm funny

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on paper and I like that and
uh yeah yeah, and she you know

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wouldn't. Yeah. No, I
thought she was pretty good Nicole Kidman.

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I still can't get over her face
because you know, I can't, but

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she's such a beautiful woman. I
don't understand why people need to do that

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to themselves. But but anyway,
that's that's unost She nailed the voice really

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well, she did. I guess
I was reading today that she smoked a

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lot during really production to get yeah, which makes sense. I know there

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were a lot of people that were
mad that that that Deborah Messing wasn't cast

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as Lucio Ball because Deborah A.
Messing did um. I think it was

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an episode of Will and Grace.
She did a really great like sind up

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of I Love Lucy. They it
was like black and white and she played

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you know, Lucy in it,
and she was great as it at it.

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But I think maybe people weren't taking
into account was this was not Lucy.

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This was Lucille Ball and they're not
looking for someone who can do a

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cool impression of Lucy from the show. The character they want. It's a

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you know, it's a serious,
dramatic role. Um. And I'm not

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saying that Debor Messing couldn't do that, but it wasn't about doing a Lucy

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impression. So yeah, yeah,
no, that's a that's a really good

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point. I didn't think about it
that way. But yeah, I remember

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the hubbub when when it first came
out who they were casting. And I

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guess Aaron Sorkin had it in his
mind that's who he wanted from the start,

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I guess. And uh, but
yeah, it wasn't It wasn't an

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impersonation, You're right, And Deborah
Messing probably would have been fine, but

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Nicole Kimmin was fine, and she
I thought she she's a good actress.

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I like her as an actress.
And I've never seen Debra Messing do anything

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serious. So um. And it
wasn't a funny movie, you know,

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there was. There wasn't a comedy. It was a drama. So it's

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good. Um. I thought it
was interesting. It covered some of the

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same ground that we covered in our
episode about it when you know, obviously

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their marriage issues, which we talked
about, and a lot did a lot

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dealt a lot with the rivalry between
Ball and Vivian Vance, Yeah, and

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how they kind of had a fall
and ended up having a falling out over

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the way Vivian, you know,
was her over how the actress, you

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know, had to wear these front
bey outfits and you know, married to

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a guy old enough to be your
dad or grandfather even you know. Yeah,

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and she makes the line about how
you know, and the running gag

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is that she's not attractive enough to
be his wife. It's like, you

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know, yeah, um, and
I loved I loved J. K.

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Simmons as Frawley, and I loved
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Vivian advanced. She's so. I
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that show she did with Billy Bob
Thorn. That just um. So,

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I was super excited that she was
cast. She's so good, She's

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a Tony winner, she's a legit. Okay, well, you know that

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was good. And I was surprised
at the portrayal of William Frawley. You

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know, I didn't expect them to
be you know, as likable as they

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made him in this in this so
I like to think he was really that

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way, you know, because they
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first scene. He's being a jerk
in the table read scene, and then

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they kind of he softens up a
bit as it goes on. I thought

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it was. Yeah, it was
pretty sympathetic based. Only it was cool

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when they walked over to Boardners,
wasn't it when they you know, they

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were shooting at the the Desilu studios, which was actually on m is that

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Las Palmus or Sycamore and right at
Hollywood Boulevard. So they left the studio

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and walked across the street and they
were drinking in Boardners. We shot are

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Departed. I didn't even notice.
Yeah, man, see, I'm already

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planning on watching it again because I
know I missed stuff like that. Yeah,

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it was cool. Um and did
you see where I think it was?

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Um, I want to say it
was vintage. La pointed out that

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the the establishing shot of Ciro's nightclub
appeared to have been the same one used

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for I think the movie Bugsy.
I think so too. I think yeah,

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stock footage that they're selling now it
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recreated the inside great, I think, um, but I guess for the

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exterior they were just like, let's
save a few hundred grand. Yeah,

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why not. It was a nondescript
shot. Yeah, so uh but there's

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so much of that, you know, after after Tarantino did Once upon a

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Time in Hollywood, you know,
they did that other movie called Liquorice Pizza

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that's outright yeah yeah, and they're
putting La back again. And there was

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another show for Netflix. I forgot
what is called to put the Viper Room

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back as Philthy mcnasties. They just
shot that and uh recently and then I

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was I saw that movie recently last
night in Soho, which I loved,

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And they did the same thing that
Tarantino did in Hollywood in London and Soho,

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which is insane because it's always it's
such a small place and it's never

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it's never quiet there. I really
enjoyed what they do when they put actual

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physical places back. That's that's pretty
that's pretty cool. So um, I

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recommend everybody run out and see Being
in the Ricardos. It's on Amazon Prime

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if you're a subscriber, you can
watch it now. Yeah, so what

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so what do you got going on
for Christmas? Mike? Um, well,

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there was just a COVID diagnosis in
my family, So I am going

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to apply to a drive by Christmas. Just the presents out the window way

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even just kind of toss them like
a night in the newspaper and keep going.

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Guys, how about you? I'm
sorry, that sucks, that's yeah.

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How about you? What are you
doing well? Do you well?

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Do you have any like personal trade? I see all those decorations around your

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house, Um, just ducked out
to the night. You have anything?

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Yeah? I put up a mid
century tencil tree in my living looks really

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nice. And I have all vintage
ornaments from by the forties, fifties,

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sixties that I decorated with because I'm
in the mid century modern design and furniture.

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So um yeah, I put a
tree up. That's the full effort.

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Yeah, we put her. Well, we got everything up in and

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and we have a Santa had on
those altar I do. Oh yeah,

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well actually he's not. It just
looks that way, but that's his feather

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um lights. Yeah, it's like
it actually does. He's festive year round

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round. My Christmas tree or Troy
and Ice. Christmas tree has uh two

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shipwrecks, the Titanic, the Evan
Fitzgerald. We have a piece to Jane

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Mansfield's car. We have a piece
of Sharon Tade's house, we have all

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in ornaments, we have what else
do we do? Well? I put

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up the murder. Yeah, that's
here, Sharon Tade, thing Maywest's dental

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work and it's all hanging on our
tree. And Kentucky Fried chicken barrels and

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buckets and yeah, and we have
the del Ruvio triplets head heads. I

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don't know if you saw that on
my Facebook page, but we we have

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the wigs that they wore in the
Pewee's Christmas Special, along with the hats

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that they wore when they say in
Winter Wonderland. So there's a drag queen

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in Vegas called James Mansfield who redes
wigs, and I contacted him and I

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said, you know, do you
want to mess with these wigs? And

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he took him and he reconstructed them
and rejudged them to be the del Ribo

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Triplets. And I printed out their
heads their faces and put them on wig

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forms. And it's really creepy because
they do look like severed heads. And

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it wasn't intentional. I thought it
was gonna be you know, cute and

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lighthearted, and it looks a bit
sinister, but still so yeah, that's

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we have we have done it up. And also my favorite tradition is I

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thumbed through with my my nineteen sixty
nine Sears Christmas wish book. When I

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was a kid, I used to
live for these Christmas catalogs from department stores

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and just yeah, and you just
flick through them and put make your list

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up, and you make a new
one the next day, and a new

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one the next day. This one
has guns in it and the real animal

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pelts for sale. This is sixty
nine. Oh my god. Yeah,

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you could buy real real cheetah skin, leopard skin for seven hundred dollars,

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which in sixty nine is a lot
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these are genuine albums, our genuine
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the department store. All that stuff. It's so bad, but it's actually

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I actually have my grandfather's Sears and
Roebuck twenty two rifle. Oh nice,

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from like probably the twenties or thirties. That's so cool. Do you ever.

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Do you ever take it out shooting
when I was when I was young.

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I did when we lived in Colorado
in the nineties. I we went

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out and shot on our ranch a
lot with it. I mean, it's

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just like a little squirrel rifle.
It doesn't it's not gonna do a whole

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lot of damage. Um, but
it was fun to shoot. I'd not

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anymore. I wouldn't trust it now
to shoot, but yeah, you definitely

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need to have it looked at if
you're gonna if you're gonna, don't like

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your gun to blow up in your
hand. That would be bad. Yeah,

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So now it's just nice to look
at, right, That's cool.

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Um the um do you want?
Well? I mean we're talking about holiday

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songs. Did you? Um?
Do you remember doing like the Christmas Concert

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as a kid for school? Did
you? Yeah? Yeah, it was

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fun going through these songs again because
I noticed a few that I remember singing

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as a kid, and I'm like, oh, this must be why they

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were on the program, like Rudolph
the Red Nose Reindeer. Of course,

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is when the secular songs, you
know, we need a little Christmas and

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up on the rooftop click click click, which is kind of a forgotten song.

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I feel like, other than I
think it's only in kids programming.

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I don't even know if they still
do Christmas they Steven do still holiday shows.

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I don't even know. In elementary
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mean, I didn't even have a
mind. People don't even go to school

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anymore, so I don't. Let's
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was a big deal. I was
in band. I was an orchestra and

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I was I was singing, so
I was like all, you know,

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running around during those concerts doing all
that stuff. But what I love?

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Did you play in band? It's
clarinet. I still talked about this.

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I feel like, yeah, I
played out those sacks. Yeah. I

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love being in band. It was
a lot of fun. I was.

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That's something I'm always grateful for my
mom and dad let me do that,

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and learning how to read music and
being able to interpret it. I love

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that being able to do that as
cool? Right? Absolutely? Um,

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so do you want to do do
you have any hate mail? You know?

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No, right, we'll see him
the hate for the Christmas songs at

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the end. Yeah, let's do
Yeah? No, I actually you know

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why because we decided to do this
so quickly. I didn't. I've only

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researched the subjects. I know that
there's a little bit of a cluster somewhere

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Troy saves him, but most of
the stuff is pretty pointless. Um,

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you know, it's the season for
giving, so we won't. We'll hold

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back on the hate mail and keep
it mostly positive. Okay, the well,

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except for the Christmas songs, we're
gonna be bashing and we're gonna bass

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the hell out of opinion. Um. All right, well, let's well,

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we'll start with the ones that that
we like, and we're gonna we're

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gonna do the main feature. Wayne. Feature is what I'm trying to say

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exactly. It's time for the main
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we we So you and I have
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singers. Yeah, um, ones
with the big famous hits, and so

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that's what we're gonna go. We're
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uh and of course you know they're
the ends of their lives. Um,

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and I guess kick off with kind
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Bing Crosby. Yeah, yeah,
I mean he's certainly I know for decades.

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I don't know if it's still the
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was the number one song in the
world, like ever, Guinness Book of

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World Records would always publish that.
I looked it up again. It is

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to this day. It is the
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It's fifty million sold, fifty fifty
billion, fifty million units. Really

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that doesn't sing like very much.
I mean it all out, of course,

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but for like sixty years. The
next highest one is Elton John's re

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re recording of Kendall in a Win
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That's sold like thirty three That single
sould like thirty three million. That's

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a pretty big gap between them.
Yeah, but it's actually hard for them

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to count because White Christmas came out, you know, in the forties,

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and it was before there were really
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isn't as thorough as you know when
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showed up later. So they've kind
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kind of to please fans of everyone
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Elton John and bing Crosby. But
but they're basically saying it's still being well,

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you know what, It's funny because
I was just doing research recently on

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it's related Michael Nesmith, who passed
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Michael Nesmith was quite interesting in these
innovations. You know, he put he

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basically started them TV and the music
videos. But he was also an integral

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part of getting upc labels put on
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until that point, nobody was doing
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checks saying you had this amount of
this amount sold and there was no real

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account that there have to accept it. Yeah. Yeah, So so he

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was an interesting part of all that
because he was like, now we have

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to do so, you know,
we have to figure out what's going on

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exactly. And I thought that was
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think how many records may have sold
ben sold that are just not accounted for

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publicly. They just they have to
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like as many. I thought it
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reason. Yeah, so being uh, he just a quick overview of him.

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He had forty one number one hits
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behind only Clark Gable and John Wayne
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was written by Irving Berlin for the
musical holiday and not as some people may

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think, for White Christmas, the
musical that came a decade later holiday and

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came out in nineteen forty two with
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the Academy Award for Best Original Song. And it was first recorded before that,

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before that film came out on Christmas
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eighteen days after the Pearl Harbor Attack, being performed on the radio for the

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first time. And I think for
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recording until he could do a proper
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and it was the number one song
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really something. I didn't know that
about Pearl Harbor, but that you know,

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it's certainly well, it's much like
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it really tugged at people's heart strings. They needed it at that time,

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a little bit different circumstances when you're
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a princess that got fired from our
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and uh and so yeah, it's
interesting. It's like a not a knee

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jerk reaction, but an emotional comfort. I think it was the right time

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in place for the for that song. They hit right, and Irvan Berlin

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said he reportedly called his secretary,
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at a hotel. Um and he
over the over a weekend, and he

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reportedly called his secretary on like Monday
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and said something along the lines of, um, not only is it you

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know, it's the best song I've
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written, or something like that.
Like he instantly knew when he wrote it,

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like this is a huge hit.
Um. And being kind of didn't

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see it that way. Just when
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I think, and then it went
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well, well he is he was
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studio recording after doing the radio recording, and then but then in nineteen forty

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seven he rerecorded it um and they
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orchestration everything as faithfully as possible.
But the forty seven recording is actually the

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one that most people have probably actually
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original forty two studio recording. And
the way you can tell the difference,

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the easiest well way is um in
the intro with like the flutes playing before

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you start singing, there is an
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a piano, but it plays like
chimes, and you hear that tinkle a

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few kind the kind of bell sounds
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you know you're hearing the nineteen forty
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it's a little bit better. M
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any of that stuff so um so
when they when they made did they you

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think they made the movie White Christmas, Um wrote it around the song that

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was such a success at I guess
that was That's what I was thinking,

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yeah, it's such a massive hit. Almost a decade later, they're like,

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we're making a whole movie out of
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would say, oh, yeah,
that was featured in you know, White

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Christmas, of course, but it
was actually, yeah, like almost ten

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years earlier. Interesting, I remember
that song. Well it's still I mean,

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it struck a big churt. I
remember my grandma, my granny who

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was she was born in eighteen eighty
nine. My god, to think,

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you know, to know that you
have a grandparents born in the eighteen hundreds,

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both my yeah, eighteen eighty and
nine and eighteen eighty eight were my

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grandfather and my grandmother. Yeah,
so and that makes me wish I would

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have, you know, if I
had a thought to talk to him more

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about it, because they died in
the seventies, you know what I mean.

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I was around. I remember them
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her, that was her song,
and Troy's too. In fact, yeah,

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Troy saw to it that White Christmas
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it's her favorite song. And it
was like in the middle of June or

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something that you know, but it
was like, no, we're playing this,

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you know, because that was her
song. Uh so so as really

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sweet. But yeah, I meant
I meant a lot to a lot of

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people. So being was a hugely
successful businessman, probably one of the great

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most successful businessmen in history of you
know, Hollywood actors. Um, I

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didn't know this. He was a
principal stockholder and Minute made orange juice.

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many huge business adventures that he was a

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part of. He also had a
numerous mob associations. Um unlike Sinatra,

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wasn't very open about it, but
he was. But he was a bit

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of a gambling addict and there were
several times I guess when he wrote thousands

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and gambling debts to some bad people
that wanted that would have killed him if

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he didn't pay it back and had
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Um, so he really put his
life in risk. But he was

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he was just he was an avid
gambler and an avid golfer. That was

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kind. Those were like his two
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was a Yeah, he was a

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piece of work. He was.
But we want to talk. You want

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to go into all that, well, I mean, yeah, but also

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I found interesting I just did.
I did a quick I looked at his

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Wikipedia page. I didn't realize he
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was. He was trying to legalize
marijuana, which I think is really interesting.

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Of all people, you know,
he's probably you know, hippies,

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and they hate hippies. Yeah,
he was, you know, a pot

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smoker. Really, as far as
he was very anti alcohol. I think

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he blamed alcohol for the death of
his first wife and told his kids stay

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away from it and was basically like, smoke pot instead. That was I

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think that's why he was pro marijuana, because alcohol was so damaging. Interesting.

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Wow. But his son Gary wrote
an infamous book about being in nineteen

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eighty three called Going My Own Way, which really I think set set in

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stone the negative perception a lot of
people have of being basically child abuse.

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That it was alleged against all his
kids. Yeah, well, how many

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children? Two of four committed sue? Did you know two of his sons

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used to perform with him. They
shotgun wounds to the head self inflicted,

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And uh, I don't know.
I mean, I've never heard anything good

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about him personally. He was a
great performer, a great entertainer. He

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was part of that Bob Hope brigade, who was another one who famously treated

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people like hell uh, they used
to swap girlfriends, they say, and

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uh um, you know, treated
women like garbage and well, like pieces

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of meats basically, you know,
ha ha ha and uh. And and

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also you know, his his abuse, the stuff that they say he did,

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I can't dismiss it, you know, I mean, because it's not

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like the Christina Crawford thing, which
a lot of people just thought was b

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asked from the start. And but
this there's a lot of information in there

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that I don't know. I wasn't
there, but I can see being I

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can see that happening. I didn't
know the people. So yeah, it

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seems to depend on which sibling you
talked to, because a daughter and one

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of his other sons came out.
Well, a daughter came out and said

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that Gary, who wrote the book, had admitted to her that he had

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exaggerated things because the publisher pushed him
to do it because they would sell more

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books if it was more salacious.
And another one of his sons really didn't

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like Gary, called him a whining, bitching, cry baby, But then

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other ones seemed to be more like
either wouldn't say one way or the other,

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or we're kind of like, yeah, there were bad times, but

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we choose to remember the good times. You know, it wasn't all bad

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being around him, Yeah, but
being even kind of blamed himself in an

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interview for not being a good dad
and for maybe being too strict with his

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kids. I mean, it was
a different time. My grandparents were very

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strict. I mean they were very
There wasn't a lot of joy, you

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know, and around them. I
mean it's not saying they weren't happy people,

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but they were very strict, you
know, Catholic people, and you

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rule by the I don't want to
say rule by the fist, it doesn't

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make sense. But we weren't strangers
to getting hit when we were kids,

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getting punished, not not humiliated like
like they say that, you know,

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Bing did to his kids, whipping
them with belts until they bled, calling

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him bad ass and lard ass and
introducing him that way to like his professional

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associates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, humiliating. I mean they said that,

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well, Gary, you think in
his book said they used to um,

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they said they leave a pair of
underwear laying around being would make them

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tied around her neck and wear it
for the whole day shoes or something.

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Yeah, humiliating, and so that
that's more. That is certainly. I

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mean there's something to be said about
punishment and it's like, oh, I

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won't do that again. But then
there's humiliation, and that's that's a totally

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different ball game. I think it's
like teachers when they used to make you

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sit in the corner, or stand
in a waste basket or or do whatever,

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sit there with chewing gum on your
nose. I mean, it was

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just like humiliating, and maybe that
was the point, but that was the

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point. It just it just was
a borderline abusive and as I said,

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well it was. It wasn't borderline, It was abusive. And you know,

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as I said, two out of
four of his kids committed suicide.

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And also he when he when he
died, he put in his will that

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they can't inherit anything until he's they're
sixty sixty five years old, Yeah,

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they get no inheritance. Like at
least two or three of his kids didn't

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even live to be that age.
Like three of his kids died before then,

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you know, so it's like it's
like a final fu. I don't

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know, I don't know. I
just have not heard very many nice things

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about him. I would get the
inheritance thing if it was not sixty five,

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but like say forty or something like
basically saying, look, you can't

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just turn twenty one and coast the
rest of your life on the family money.

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You got to go do something with
your life and not be a jurse,

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you know. But sixty five,
like, come on, man,

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um, Yeah, it's a bit, especially when you grow up in the

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lap of luxury and then you're just
tossed out. Yeah, you know what

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I mean. I think one of
the sons killed himself. They said one

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of the reasons was that his he
discovered that his inheritance was gone or something

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thing like that, you know,
and that was it. He was already

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distraught and whatever. Um but being
died on a golf course in Spain on

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October fourteenth, nineteen seventy seven,
of a massive heart attack while walking back

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to the clubhouse after playing eighteen holes. His last words were, supposedly,

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that was a great game of golf, fellows, Let's go have a coca

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Cola and then he dropped dead in
front of him with the proverbial nineteenth hole

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on the way to the clubhouse and
he uh yeah, they shipped him back

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here, and you know, his
body was handled by that mortuary on on

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Fountain and Western. It's now like
a called Covenant Houses for kids, runaway

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kids. But that's the same one
they handled Divine and handled the Shalomar.

407
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:03.519
It was Shalomar who was Eddie Murphy's
prostitute that that committed suicide absolutely five story

408
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.519
building. Yeah yeah, and she
they handled her. But the guy who

409
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.720
was playing there was a kid that
was working at the mortuay at the time

410
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:17.359
snuck a photograph of Bing Crosby in
his casket and sold it to the Inquirer.

411
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.559
And now you know, there's a
picture of Bing Crosby and his casket

412
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.559
all over the world because of this
kid who did nothing at that point except

413
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.480
lose his job. But nowadays,
you know, they'd be raked over the

414
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.480
coals and sued and etcetera, etcetera. But but yeah, so there is

415
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.000
a picture of Bing Crosby in his
casket floating around the internet because of this

416
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.720
kid. It seems to be there
was a dispute over how old being was

417
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.799
when he died. Oh yeah,
because the wikipedius is he's seventy four,

418
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.599
and that seems to be in the
most commonly accepted age. But if you

419
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.839
go back and read the original news
reports from seventy seven, they said he

420
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.200
was seventy three, and his grave
marker says he was born in nineteen oh

421
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.119
four, which would make him seventy
three in supposedly he was actually born in

422
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:06.240
nineteen oh three. Well, let
me look at his um, let me

423
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.119
look at his death certificate and see
what that says, because that would well

424
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.039
that's the most you know, quote
unquote official document. But in a second,

425
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.920
the La Times and the New York
Times said he was seventy three,

426
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.680
but they were probably both citing the
same source, you know, so who

427
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.720
knows? Yeah, yeah, and
since he was actually since he died in

428
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:30.960
Spain, I don't have his Spanish
death certificate, so right, so unfortunately,

429
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.000
but um but yeah, so so
it's interesting. I don't know,

430
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.519
it wouldn't be difficult to find out
when he was born because that those records

431
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.240
are kept here and uh, but
as far as his death goes, uh,

432
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.039
well that would that would be it
I mean, we know when he

433
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.920
was born, so we could figure
it out, right. It would be

434
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.680
interesting though, if his grave marker
has the wrong birth year M and and

435
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:57.880
he's buried in Holy Cross over in
Culver City, just a few steps from

436
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:06.559
Belle Lagosi, m and Sharon Tate
and Rita Hayworth and the tin man Jack

437
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.279
Haley. In fact, he's I
think he's like right next to Jack Haley.

438
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.839
Are very close to him anyway.
But but yeah, Holy Cross Catholic

439
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.400
Cemetery, a lot of great people
in that cemetery and bang, and then

440
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:22.559
there's being in him being. Apparently
the last song he ever performed for an

441
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:29.400
audience was Strangers in the Night.
He performed it for construction workers that were

442
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.480
doing construction near the golf course the
day he died, and they recognized him

443
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.200
and asked for a song, and
he sang Strangers in the Night, and

444
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.359
interesting died, you know, an
hour later or whatever. Yeah, huh.

445
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.279
I also didn't realized this. I
didn't know. His granddaughter is Denise

446
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.720
Crosby, who was Tasha Yar on
Star Trek Next Generation. Okay, that

447
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:56.240
one sounded out my yard early early
seasons of Star Trek. And then she

448
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.559
asked to be killed off. She
do want to do? Killed her?

449
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:07.680
Kill me? Now? Wow?
She does the she produces the Trecky's documentaries.

450
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.160
Okay, all right, yeah,
you're a bit of a you're you're

451
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.920
a treky NERD aren't. Yeah,
I'm not, I but I I I

452
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.720
don't know, I might know.
I wouldn't exering myself like a treky.

453
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.759
No, okay, you watch I
mean I watched the shows, but I'm

454
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.079
not like a hardcore I haven't seen
all of them. Yeah, I went

455
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.400
back to Lucy, and I mean
Lucy produced it. So that's if it

456
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.599
wasn't for Lucy, we probably wouldn't
have star Trek, at least not in

457
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.160
the incarnation we know it so absolutely
yep. So look he was he a

458
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.960
jerk? Wasn't he a jerk?
Either way? Rest in peace? Spin

459
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.359
Crosbie, Well wait, wait,
wait, wait, oh you've got to

460
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:52.359
bring up the most the most not
I don't want to say it's being as

461
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.119
a human being is is you know, it's up to the gods, I

462
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.440
guess to figure that out or to
deal with all of that. But bang,

463
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:06.799
as the man who sang Little Drummer
Boy with David Bowie, do forgive

464
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:13.599
the one of the worst Christmas songs, in my opinion ever recorded. First

465
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.559
of all, A Little Drummer Boy, I think is one of the worst

466
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.880
songs ever because I can't as soon
as I hear done and it's like done,

467
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.160
No, I can't, I can't. I despise every single version of

468
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:28.160
that song. But him and David
Bowie's just agony, agony to sit through

469
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.359
it. It's such a bizarre pairing. Yeah, but really, I'm sure

470
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.960
bang he had no time for Bowie. It was just a grab for you

471
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.400
know, viewers or whatever the network. But it was just a It was

472
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:45.319
a bad a weird pairing and a
weird recording. And I just despise that

473
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:52.319
song and I hate that version more
than any there I said it fight me.

474
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.000
Do you know that's a tough song
to sit through soon because it's agony.

475
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.359
It goes on forever or and ever
and anyway, Oh, you got

476
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:08.559
your tab? Have you still have
your supplies? I am just they're they're

477
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:14.160
precious to me. They're precious.
I only got a few left. Um,

478
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:19.200
all right, I was gonna go
into Andy Williams next. Um.

479
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.519
I like Andy Williams. You like
Andy Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

480
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.119
you know, I feel like him
being are kind of the voice of

481
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:32.039
Christmas there. I don't know,
there's something about their voices that just instantly

482
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.519
and I guess probably because you know, they kind of That's how their career

483
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.359
kind of shook out. Two.
Um, because Andy went on. Not

484
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.160
only did he record Um, It's
the Most Wonderful Time of the Year of

485
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.039
course, which is kind of written
for him and part of his Christmas album,

486
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:50.759
but then he did those TV specials
in the seventies, eighties and nineties.

487
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.599
They were all Christmas Team, so
I think they I saw his nickname

488
00:33:53.640 --> 00:34:00.720
was mister Christmas. Yeah, he
had a few connections to being He and

489
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.920
and his brothers sang with Being in
nineteen forty four on Bing's record Swinging on

490
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.519
a Star. Um. I like
that song. One of Andy's main homes,

491
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:13.199
at least later in his life was
in Laquita, California, which is

492
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.880
largely believed where Irving Brilliant wrote White
Christmas, although I think there's a resort

493
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.159
in Phoenix that also claims it happened
there. Um. And then, of

494
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:27.039
course, then they were both avid
golfers, which is like a running theme

495
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.840
for a lot of these guys.
I like Andy Williams so much. I

496
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:36.639
didn't There's not much about him that
I've ever heard that was that was negative,

497
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.119
you know, and I enjoyed his
specials. He be more or less

498
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:45.360
responsible for the Osman Brothers being known
because he featured them on his show all

499
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.360
the time. And of course moon
River from Breakfast at Tiffany was a classic.

500
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.360
I mean, he has some great
music, he really did, and

501
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.960
uh, I know, I like
him very much with the music to Watch

502
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.440
the Girls Go By. I love
that song very But you know when when

503
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.880
that song um most wonderful time of
the year, I never really got it.

504
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.280
There's that verse when there'll be something
something and scary ghost stories and you

505
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.519
know, lots of good cheer and
it's like, well, wait, wait

506
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:20.440
what knack out back the truck up
ghost stories? I guess maybe, well

507
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.599
that's what. Yeah, it took
me years to figure it out, but

508
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.800
it was a Christmas carol, but
it was yeah, it was yeah,

509
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.559
but it was like for you,
I was like scary ghost stories. It

510
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.679
was just thrown in there, like
what something else? There's a there's a

511
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.320
song that they consider a Christmas song
that I don't. Is my favorite things

512
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.840
by Julie Andrews. You know,
these are a few of my favorite They

513
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.639
say that's a Christmas song, and
I can't when the dog bites, when

514
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:51.840
the Beast things, and you know, I've never I don't think i've They

515
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.679
do say it is. Yeah,
it's like die Hard being a Christmas movie.

516
00:35:53.719 --> 00:36:00.920
That'll be argued forever. But yeah, what's mine? I don't.

517
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.440
I saw one, so I can't
say I embraced it as such. I

518
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.000
mean it's hard. It's hard because
it takes place at Christmas, during Christmas,

519
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.039
you know, Christmas season, and
there is I think Christmas music plays

520
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.639
at the end or whatever. I
mean. But does this because the setting

521
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.039
is Christmas time, does that make
it a Christmas movie? Open interpretation?

522
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.760
It's not like Home Alone? Home
Alone is a Christmas movie. Yeah,

523
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.320
that's the whole point if it is
to get home by Christmas or go yet.

524
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.360
Right, So I don't. Yeah, I don't know that I would.

525
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.960
I I don't know how I'm on
the fence on the die Hard Christmas

526
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:38.000
movie debate. Yeah, I don't. Really, I don't have a I

527
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:44.480
don't have a any stake in that
argument. I really don't. Oh,

528
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:49.800
I thought this was interesting So his
Christmas album, the Andy Williams Christmas album

529
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.679
what it was called, the one
that came out in the sixties. Um,

530
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.039
you know it's the most Wonderful Time
of the Year, which was like

531
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.119
his track, his song, and
he kind of originated it. I think,

532
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.840
Um, you would think that's the
one and they would lead with,

533
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480
But they actually led with his version
of White Christmas. That's the first single

534
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:08.039
that they released to promote it.
And I almost wondered, that's just that

535
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:12.800
kind of show. I mean,
that's two decades after that song was first

536
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.719
came out. Um, that's I
think it almost shows like how big White

537
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.079
Christmas was that that was that that's
what they would lead with, not the

538
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.360
original song that Andy became known for. Yeah, you know, I guess

539
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.320
you know whoever, you know,
whoever he worked for, whoever his studio

540
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.719
was, they were just like you
know, I remember I was. I

541
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:39.079
was talking to Annie Lennox one time. We were talking, Yes, okay,

542
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.079
it was when they were before the
euroth Mix. They were in a

543
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.800
group called the Tourists, and she
and Dave Stewart and there were another two

544
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.719
people. And I love the Tourists. I mean, they're they're kind of

545
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.800
a psychedelic band, and the first
time I ever saw them was in a

546
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.159
music video where Annie was saying they
saying I Only want to be with you

547
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.400
that that dusty Springfield song. So
when I had the opportunity to meet Annie

548
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.840
Lennox, I wanted to ask her
some thing that wasn't like, I really

549
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.480
love your work. I wanted to
talk about something in particular, So I

550
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.760
want to ask about the tourists.
And I said, well, you know

551
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.880
I first heard you when when you
did I only want to be with you.

552
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.159
She because when I heard that song, I cried because I didn't want

553
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.079
to do it. My record company
insisted I do it. They made us

554
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.119
do a cover tune on the record, and they pushed that as our first

555
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.199
single. So that's probably what they
did. The record company is just like,

556
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.440
we're going to use that single.
We own it already, maybe it'll

557
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.079
be, you know, become something. Yeah. They were probably like,

558
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.679
look, it's a tried and true
Christmas standard. Yeah, everybody knows,

559
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.039
well why Christmas is. Nobody knows
what this new song is that you just

560
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.719
recorded, So let's lead with the
standard. You know, your your cover

561
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.880
of a standard and not you know, yeah, yeah, it gets point

562
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.480
when a water from a turnip or
whatever that expression is, you know,

563
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.639
get it, you know, use
it, use it up right totally.

564
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:54.360
Um. He went on to record
eight Christmas albums and did multiple TV Christmas

565
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.280
specials. I think he did every
year through the seventies and then kind of

566
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.639
intermittently in the eighties and nineties.
Um. I thought it was interesting,

567
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.719
you know he um seems like he
was a pretty good guy, but he

568
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.840
had several weird tragedies around him.
First, he was good friends with RFK

569
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.840
and was apparently there at the Ambassador
when the assassination happened. Really yep,

570
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:24.679
and then went on to sing it
at Kennedy's funeral Bobby Kennedy's funeral. I've

571
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.960
never heard that one. That's interesting, yep. And then it's crazy right

572
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.920
yeah. And then uh and then
also weirdly, his ex wife after they

573
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.639
divorced, she killed her boyfriend that
she was living with in nineteen seventy six,

574
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.280
the pro skier Spider Savage. Yeah, she killed him in Aspen,

575
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.599
shot him. I guess. Uh. Andy Williams was you know, was

576
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.639
still close with her and was a
character witness at her trial and everything,

577
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.440
and she basically got thirty days,
yeah, for killing this guy. She

578
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.039
claimed it was an accident. There
was, I mean, it was a

579
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.199
big deal back then. I remember
that really vividly when that was all going

580
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.280
on, and because they were you
know, they're both like young and good

581
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:14.679
looking people, Spider Savage and uh
and Claudine Lange and uh and yeah,

582
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.880
and Andy Williams certainly up the If
it wasn't for his association, it probably

583
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.360
wouldn't have had the attention that it
did. There was I remember this really

584
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:28.039
vividly. There was a on Saturday
Night Live while the trial was going on,

585
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.960
there was a they would they were
doing, you know, they showed

586
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.880
like like the slope skiing down the
slopes, and and they would have people

587
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.840
they had the agony of defeat.
When they had the Sunday Morning or the

588
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.400
Sunday Sports whatever was, they always
showed the Olympic skier falling or you know,

589
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.840
spinning out of control and hitting some
kind of snow bank. So on

590
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.719
Saturday Night Live they had somebody doing
a blow by blow of somebody skiing down

591
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.039
a hill and then when as soon
as they took off, you know,

592
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.159
they lost their their whatever path and
flew into the woods. They'd say,

593
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:02.800
oh, another skier accidentally shot by
Claudine Lange, and there'd be another one

594
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:08.440
coming down and you hear this,
wow, oh another singer accidentally show ski

595
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.239
or sung that's hilarious. Well,
she claimed that the um that he was

596
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.239
trying to show her how to use
the gun, but he was shot in

597
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.679
the bathroom and was apparently like getting
ready to take a shower. So yeah,

598
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:28.639
she just got something of reckless endangerment
or some some lesser charge is what

599
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.480
they ended up convicting her of.
It's entry. I mean you've handled weapons

600
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.599
before, yeah, and we like
if you have a gun, I mean

601
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.920
sometimes you just touched the trigger and
boom, it's gone, you know,

602
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:45.559
And I mean it happens. I
meant, so if it was accidental,

603
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.039
I can kind of see it happening
because they are so guns could be so

604
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:54.119
sensitive. Sometimes guns have very sensitive
hair triggers. And yeah, um,

605
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.480
yeah it happened to me once.
I was at a shooting range and it

606
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.000
was like a competitive shooting gun.
We were shooting with and they you want

607
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.039
to talk about light triggers and luckily, I mean I always keep the barrel

608
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.440
pointed down range and it but it
did go off when I wasn't ready to

609
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.239
um, and I was like,
holy cod, I've never had that kind

610
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.360
of experience before, So it can
happen, but I don't know, man.

611
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.880
It just in recent Maneves there was
that other shooting on set, and

612
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.239
you know, I can kind of
ultimately it's you have the weapon in your

613
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.679
hands and you had your finger in
the trigger. So ultimately, yeah,

614
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.480
it's it's down to you. But
then again, those people aren't aren't marksman.

615
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.000
They don't you know, they probably
don't spend much time at a shooting

616
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.840
range. They don't realize that,
you know, you know, we're pointed

617
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.880
at somebody. I know on the
movie set is different, but it's just

618
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:42.760
yeah, I mean the rule of
thumb is don't ever point your gun at

619
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.119
someone you don't want to shoot,
and don't shoot someone you don't want to

620
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.800
kill. Yeah, so it goes
down to don't even They call it flagging.

621
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.199
You know, when your barrel points
at a person, you just you

622
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.079
flag. You just flag them with
your gun. It's bad. You never

623
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.119
want to even accidentally, just in
passing, if you're moving the gun from

624
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.599
one place another, accidentally point in
any one's direction. But yeah, with

625
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.840
movies. Obviously, if you're pointing
the gun of the camera, there's gonna

626
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.880
be a person there holding the camp. Yeah, so you can't get around

627
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.000
it. But yeah, I don't
know. You know, she got off

628
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.199
with a license. And I think
she only had to do the thirty days,

629
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.519
like on weekends, um, because
they were sensitive to her like being

630
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:22.480
able to spend time with her kids. So isn't it nice? Yeah?

631
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:28.199
There you are? Um. So. Andy Williams died on September twenty fifth,

632
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.039
twenty twelve, from bladder cancer.
He was eighty four. Um and

633
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.159
I think is he the one that
owned the place in um or is it

634
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:44.000
someone else that's a place in?
Right? Theater? Yeah, he owned

635
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:49.280
the Moon River Theater in Branston and
uh and that's what they say. That's

636
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.000
where they say. He's scattered in
the river aton in the actual Moon River

637
00:43:53.079 --> 00:44:00.639
in front of his theater. Right. So yeah, that's nice if they

638
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.840
ever tear it down. There's there's
that. You know, all those people

639
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.039
they'd like get their ashes, you
know, put in fountains and things like

640
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.039
that. It's like, well,
something's gonna happen too. It's just gonna

641
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:15.400
have been some drains somewhere but symbolically, it's just it's symbol Yeah, yeah,

642
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.119
yeah, But but I liked Dandy
Williams and I love his Christmas album.

643
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.639
I just alwas album. I think
he did the best version of Windy.

644
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.119
I shouldn't say that I love that
song. I love everyone who's done

645
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.000
that. But uh, but yeah, I do like I do like him.

646
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.320
So rest in peace, Andy Williams, Rest in peace, Andy Williams.

647
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:38.199
Um Perry Como, were you a
fan? I mean, I like

648
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.519
his I like his have yourself a
merry little Christmas m Outside of that,

649
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:49.360
I don't know, you know,
let's skip it then, Oh, I

650
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.440
don't want to talk about it.
No, it's the one I hoped you

651
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.519
had something on because all I have
is I just really liked yourself a merry

652
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.840
little Christmas. Yeah, I like
like, I like Perry. Perry Como

653
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.760
is one of those people to me
that I could skip, you know.

654
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.679
I mean, I'm not saying right
now, I'm just saying. He sounds

655
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.480
like a whole lot of other singers. There's nothing about his voice that was

656
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.639
distinctive to me. Every time I
hear him on the radio, I'm like,

657
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.320
who is that? I would never
say Perry Como because I don't know

658
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.719
who's sound that well, this is
turning into a Perry Como bashing episode.

659
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.559
No, not at all. I
like what I hear. I just don't.

660
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.079
It's just not juster Eric. Yeah, I guess yeah. He Um.

661
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.960
I just thought it was interesting that
much like Andy Williams, he hosted

662
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.000
Christmas TV specials regularly. He did
it for forty years, going back to

663
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.119
nineteen forty eight, like the early
early days of television. He was doing

664
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.119
the Christmas specials. Um, and
I'll just say quickly. He died on

665
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.199
May twelve, two thousand and one, in his sleep, possibly from Alzheimer's.

666
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.199
He was eighty eight, eighty eighty. Yeah, his career was like

667
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.800
like fifty years. He's been working
in radio and television and recording. I

668
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.079
mean he's yeah, he's certainly got
like five Emmies I think is what he

669
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:05.159
had in his career. So we
certainly a significant performer. He just never

670
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:12.320
never spoke to me personally. And
that's not nothing against the dude. Um,

671
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.800
all right, you let's talk about
um. Let's let's get a girl

672
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:21.440
into the into the show here.
Um. Ella Fitzgerald Ella, who recorded

673
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:28.400
two Christmas albums nineteen sixties Ella Wishes
You're a Swinging Christmas and sixty seven's Ella

674
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.320
Fitzgerald's Christmas, the Swinging one.
The first one was more secular songs,

675
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.920
and then in sixth the second album
was more religious themes and carols and stuff.

676
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.639
Yeah, I wasn't too I wasn't
too familiar with her Christmas stuff until

677
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.719
until you mentioned it the other day, and I listened to her albums and

678
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.199
they were really I mean, she
can't. She doesn't record poorly at all,

679
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.119
you know, I mean, she's
she's she's amazing, and I thought

680
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.960
she did. I liked her Christmas
music a lot. Um, Yeah,

681
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.880
I like her a lot though.
She's she was, She's a fascinating lady.

682
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:06.920
Her have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
recording from the nineteen sixty album UM

683
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.639
is really popular. You hear that
all the time. In fact, I

684
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:15.199
was just watching them conclusion of the
Hawkeye series, the Marble series on Disney

685
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.519
Plus UM and that at the end
of the Find of the Season finale,

686
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.039
Uh like, toward the end,
that's the song they play as elphitz geralds

687
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.280
have Yourself Mary La Christy. It's
just one of those standards that's that says

688
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.760
what time of year it is?
You know what I mean? Yeah,

689
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.280
yeah, I thought that, Yeah, that's I love that. It's a

690
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.760
there's a weird part of that song
that really kind of gets me choked up.

691
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.840
It was something she said, uh
uh, if the fates allow,

692
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.000
and I was like, oh huh, that was you know, and sometimes

693
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.400
if you're down, you're really you
know, or something happened, you know,

694
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:51.519
in your life, and and during
that it just sort of it strikes

695
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.800
an emotional chord. I always thought
that that was kind of a little,

696
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:59.519
you know, a little emotional moment
in that song. It's a sweet song.

697
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.480
So she did this really famous ad
and I think it was in the

698
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:08.039
late seventies or early eighties for Memorex
cassette tapes, and it was is it

699
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.920
real or is it Memorex? And
she would do you know scatch, which

700
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.800
was means means something to some people, but scott is a form of jazz

701
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.280
where you just kind of off the
cup and off the cuff, you just

702
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.320
you know, scooby doo bop bop, that kind of stuff up. Yeah,

703
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:29.719
yeah, scat singer. Yes,
Yes, and so and Ella did

704
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:31.800
this and she did this and she
in this commercial, she's singing into a

705
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.400
microphone and then she hits a note
at the end of a dubie like that,

706
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.320
and then the glass in front of
her breaks and then then they play

707
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:44.719
the recording on a Memorex tape with
next to the glass and it breaks during

708
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.239
the tape too. It pops apart. Yeah, so the ad campaign was

709
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.440
is it real or is it Memorex? And that's yeah, it was a

710
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.400
cool ad. It's probably on YouTube, but it's a cool ad. There's

711
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.480
somebody that had health issues, isn't
she. I mean she, you know,

712
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.840
she lived next to Jackie Still Loan. Really her last home. She

713
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.199
lived next door to Jackie Stallone.
I mean, there's a bananas. Jackie

714
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.599
Stallone is another piece of work.
But but yeah, so she she had

715
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:17.119
diabetes and she had been Her last
recording was in nineteen ninety one. Her

716
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:23.039
last performance was in nineteen ninety three
Slow Decline. She ultimately had to have

717
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.599
both of her legs amputated below the
knee. I remember because she was this

718
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.719
was on I was passing her house
every day back back then on tours,

719
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.480
and I would see her get,
you know, loaded into a van every

720
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:39.320
once in a while at in front
of her house, and ultimately she died

721
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.280
in that house. Now, there
was a guy that I used to work

722
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.559
with at Starline Tours and he was
a musician, and he told me the

723
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.400
story and it was like one of
the greatest stories I've ever heard. And

724
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.920
I can't imagine this guy made it
up because it's such a good story.

725
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.440
And this guy was not a grandstander, you know, he wasn't somebody that

726
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:01.159
needed a bread about stuff. But
he was a part of a band,

727
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.880
like a quartet, a jazz quartet
that would that would play. And they

728
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.719
were hired to play at a private
home in Beverly Hills and they were told

729
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.480
to sit up in a living room, sat up their equipment in a living

730
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.760
room and they sat and they played
for an hour. Nobody was there.

731
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.079
They were just playing for nobody and
UH. And after their hour was finished,

732
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.199
they were leaving and they asked him
to come back the next day.

733
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.039
And they said, this is actually
Elvis Gerald's house and she's upstairs and she's

734
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.239
not expected to last long. So
they had her come back. They had

735
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.880
them come back the next day.
And according to this guy who I worked

736
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.320
with, UH, he said,
while they were playing. He says,

737
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.719
when they found out who they were
playing, they found Ellaphitzgerald's songs, you

738
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.880
know, they they were They rehearsed
them during the day and they went back

739
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.599
and they performed that night, and
they say, you know, there's a

740
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.800
there's a storybook ending that she passed
away during that hour that they were playing

741
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.239
that night. But it's a it's
just an awesome story that that, you

742
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:00.760
know, they didn't even know.
They were just playing to an empty room

743
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:07.400
and the first night, so that
was kind of a sweet story. Yeah,

744
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.239
she passed away on June fifteenth,
nineteen ninety six, and technically it

745
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.079
was a stroke, but it was
you know, I think, I'm sure

746
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.199
related to the diabetes issues. And
she was seventy nine. And she is

747
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.559
buried in Inglewood Park Cemetery, which
is where my grandparents are buried. Oh

748
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.519
really, I didn't know. Yeah, they're buried. I'm they're actually buried,

749
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:29.119
veried. They're buried at like the
south, very south end of the

750
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:34.119
cemetery. I'm right across street from
the forum. Basically. Okay. Yeah,

751
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.880
so whenever I go to RAMS games, I drive by my grandparents and

752
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:43.639
it's nice. Yeah, it's nice. Well, well, piece Yeah,

753
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.599
I think that's Ella Rest in peace, Ella Fitzgerald. Um. Okay,

754
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:52.639
so we have one of your favorite
subjects ever to talk about, The Carpenters.

755
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:58.599
Yeah, Karen and Mary. Christmas
Darling was their nineteen seventy single and

756
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.280
then Christmas Portrait was their Christmas album
from nineteen seventy eight. Hmm, I

757
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.800
love that album. That was.
That was such a great album. Man.

758
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.079
I liked the Carpenters yet so so
I'm not gonna hate the album at

759
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.320
all. But uh, but yeah, I did. It was it was.

760
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.840
It was just one of those comforts. They were a comfort group.

761
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.960
You know, there were seventy easy, easy listening and that was an era

762
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.440
that I that I that I enjoyed
being in very much. And uh and

763
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.880
they did my one of my favorite
songs, Happy Holiday, that another Irving

764
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:30.840
Berlin song. They start off their
album with that, and uh, and

765
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.960
I liked that song a lot.
They're They're just awesome there. They were

766
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.760
such a great interesting people. And
and Richards was really another one is quite

767
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:45.039
innovative, innovative with the recording process
and they got the overdubbing, et cetera.

768
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.199
And the Carpenters had they I think
they were only in operation until Karen's

769
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.039
death in eighty three. And but
yeah, they've released several albums since then

770
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.920
of Carpenter's music that have been remastered
and done by an orchestra, et cetera,

771
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.719
et ce. So, so Richard
is um, you know, still

772
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.480
doing quite well with new Carpenter's recordings. But they did. Now one of

773
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.079
the one of the songs I don't
like from Christmas at all was called Little

774
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.039
Altar Boy that Karen did and that
became I hear it occasionally on the radio

775
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:22.400
on the Christmas stations too. The
song was actually recorded in seventy eight for

776
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.519
that Christmas album, but they didn't
release it until like a year after Karen

777
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.440
died, so just kind of it's
a promotion for it. It didn't make

778
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.000
the cut. No, I think
they were re releasing the Christmas album remastered

779
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.239
after Karen's death, and uh,
and they used it to promote that.

780
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.679
But they released a lot of Karen
stuff after she died. It's um,

781
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.039
you know, even her album,
her own solo album that she did when

782
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.800
when Richard was in the hospital,
she decided to cut an album without him,

783
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.360
and that was a really bad thing. And Richard listened to it and

784
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.719
said it was a piece of garbage, and she shelved it and and because

785
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.800
she was too humiliated by what he
had to say about it. That's my

786
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.800
interpretation, but the facts are she
recorded the solo album and she shelved it.

787
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.840
So it wasn't until after she was
dead that Richard finally released the solo

788
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.719
album, which isn't bad at all, and said in the liner notes basically,

789
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.519
oh, well, I didn't like
it done, I didn't like it

790
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.039
now, but here for what it's
worth, this is what she wanted you

791
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.280
to hear. And uh and released
the album. So it's kind of kind

792
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.320
of a kind of a you know, crappy thing to do. But anyway,

793
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:28.719
we have it and it's out there
and poor Karen, so m we

794
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:34.360
love Karen. Yeah, yeah,
I just said, you know, we

795
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.519
I missed doing that tour. We
every year on the anniversary or the weekend

796
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.159
closest to the anniversary, we did
the Karen Carpent Tour and uh, and

797
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:45.840
we would visit all. Yeah,
and we will have the house because the

798
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.239
house is still there and the apartments
that they owned the apartments of their house

799
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:53.679
where they moved afterwards. The people
that handled uh, you know the band

800
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:58.920
where the school they were in band
uh. You know the Carpenter Center down

801
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.119
in Long Beach as her drums set
on display. You know, they have

802
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:08.320
the Richard and Karen Carpenter Enter Entertainment. But it's it's it's in Long Beach.

803
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.159
It's you know, they do proper
concerts and stuff. But if you

804
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.920
walk in, they have like the
Karen's drums and her lead sister shirt and

805
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:20.159
uh and and a lot of their
you know, Richard's piano and the sheet

806
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.800
music to only Just Begun, and
a lot of their Grammys and stuff like.

807
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.119
It's really it's really cool that they
that they have that stuff that you

808
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.840
can see. So we used to
hit that on the tour too, and

809
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.480
then ultimately end up at her grave
site which had you know, she was

810
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.159
moved. She was in forests on
Cyprus, originally in a beautiful grave at

811
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.239
the end of a hallway and it
was a wonderful looking, you know,

812
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:45.679
beautiful grave at the end of the
hall and her parents were buried there too,

813
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.320
and then Richard left Downy and moved
two thousand oaks i think it is,

814
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.280
and had Karen exhoomed and her parents
and took him up that way.

815
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:57.559
So now she's in the valley at
another cemetery, and Richard has space for

816
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.480
himself and his family. So that
was kind of a weird, a weird,

817
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:06.519
a weird thing. But her gravestone
does say a star on Earth and

818
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.079
a star in Heaven, which I
think is quite sweet. Yeah. So,

819
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.599
yeah, she died on February fourth, nineteen eighty three. She was

820
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:19.280
thirty two. She apparently basically died
in her bedroom closet at her at her

821
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.920
childhood home was where she was found
collapsed. Anyways, I think cause of

822
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.159
death was ruled as being related to
her anorexia. Yeah, it was hard

823
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:34.599
failure due to her her eating disorder. It's very um And that movie they

824
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.519
did, the Karen Carpenter Story,
did we talk about did we ever talk

825
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.119
about I don't know if we've talked
about that, And we talked about it

826
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:45.440
on them because their first Dearly Departed
documentary, we did a whole Carpenter's section.

827
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:47.039
Oh that's right, we did.
Yeah, we went down there and

828
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:51.000
showed all those places. Yeah,
but I don't know that we I don't

829
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.599
know that we've talked about it on
this show. Well, they you know,

830
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:59.039
they did the Karen Carpenter's story that
was addressing anorexia nervosa for the very

831
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.519
first time, and it was a
TV movie and it was really Richard is

832
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.639
the one who produced it, and
it was it was quite raw in that

833
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.400
regard where he showed his parents being, you know, kind of emotionally vacant

834
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:15.239
and uh and him being you know, he went into a reab for a

835
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:22.000
drug addiction for quailudes and Karen's insecurities
with her weight. And it was odd

836
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.519
because they actually filmed it in the
Carpenter's home. They the woman who played

837
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.000
Cynthia Gibson, I think it was
her name, who played Karen, wore

838
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.800
all of Karen's real clothes. When
the ambulance came to the house, they

839
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.920
used the real ambulance and the real
ambulance drivers to go to the house.

840
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.480
And you know, it was just
and they filmed her body being taken down

841
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:52.320
the stairs and taken out into the
ambulance in the house that it actually took

842
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.960
place in its bizarre Louise Fletcher plays
the mother in the movie. And they

843
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.480
filmed on the A and M Records
lot in the in the sound in the

844
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.000
studio where they actually recorded on LaBrea
where you used to work, and because

845
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.159
it's pretty, it's pretty, it
was pretty good, pretty wild historically movie.

846
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:14.000
So I believe the one the recording
studio that they recorded in there on

847
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:16.199
LaBrea. I believe that studio is
still there and it's kind of known as

848
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:22.239
the Carpenter's Studio. Obviously, thousands
of acts have recorded in their sinse um,

849
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.159
but I believe that's the one that
is said to be haunted. It

850
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.119
was somebody that you knew that told
that story, wasn't it. Yeah,

851
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.360
because I worked I worked on the
Jim Henson lot for about a year and

852
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:38.320
a half cashed by fifteen years ago. It was originally probably one second,

853
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.920
I just want to interrupt you.
We're just second to set. The stage

854
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.880
that was A and M Records is
now the Jim Henson Studio originally built by

855
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:50.599
Charlie Chaplin. So it's just been
around since, you know, like the

856
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.920
twenties when when there was nothing but
orange groves around there. So it's still

857
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.880
the original studio there, and Chaplain
built it for his own film productions.

858
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.800
Yeah, and if you've were seeing
the Chaplain film, you know with the

859
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.280
biography with Robert Downey Jr. Towards
the end, when he's an old man

860
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.360
and he's coming back for the oscars
uh and he's in the limo or whatever,

861
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:12.719
or the Rolls Royce or whatever he's
in. They pull up in front

862
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.519
of his old studio for seconds so
he can see it one more time.

863
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:20.639
That is the actual Chaplain studio lot, but now it has a kermit the

864
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.039
frog dressed as the tramp on the
roof, which is nice. It's a

865
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:30.280
good hipping his hat to the Crazy
Girl's Strip club across the street. It

866
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.039
was a Chaplain's footprints or in the
cement in there. They're still in the

867
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.639
concrete. If you know where to
look, they're near there between the restrooms.

868
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.800
It's kind of an old out there's
like a building in the middle of

869
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.760
the courtyard which is where the restrooms
are, and there's um if you know

870
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.440
where to look from the sidewalk leading
from there toward the entrance to the recording

871
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.440
studio. It was very very faint. This is fifteen years ago, so

872
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.000
who even knows. Now you could
still see the footprints that he worrieded the

873
00:59:53.039 --> 01:00:00.679
tramp walk down the sidewalk, and
that's what inspired supposedly inspired send sid Graman

874
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.360
to do the Um Gramin's Chinese theater
handprint and footprints because he saw that cool

875
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.760
one had done that. Yeah,
that's really cool. So what about the

876
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:14.199
ghost story? So suppose I believe
that it was in the carpenter's studio,

877
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.519
but someone who worked there I remember, was telling me this one time that

878
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.960
you know, it's a twenty four
hour a day operation. There's bands there

879
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.679
and all the time. Basically they'll
be recording at three o'clock in the morning.

880
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.239
And I think it was the carpenters
when they said like two to two

881
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.719
thirty in the morning, the whatever
local you know employee was working with them

882
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.280
said, okay, um, take
a lunch break. We got to shut

883
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.039
down for like thirty minutes. And
the producer whoever with the band was like,

884
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.960
whoa you know, I say,
when that happens kind of deal.

885
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.079
And they said, we can't record, you know, between like two thirty

886
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.039
and three am or something because the
recording is always getting messed up. And

887
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.239
they're like, yeah, yeah,
nonsense, and they said everybody says that.

888
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.280
So we've kept one of the recordings
that got messed up, and they

889
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.519
played the recording back and they said
it sounds like a room full of people,

890
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:06.360
just voices on top of voices on
top of voices, and even though

891
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.639
you know, it wasn't like there's
a party going on, but nobody was

892
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.880
in there. Um. And so
that that is what was told to me

893
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:15.360
while I worked there, was that
that studio was haunted. So did you

894
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.800
I think you told me that before
anyone does a recording session there, they

895
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.119
play I believe that that is the
other thing that that's all to kind of

896
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:27.840
appease the ghosts. Yes, they
play a Carpenter song before every recording in

897
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.840
that studio. Yep, that's cool. I love that. And if anything

898
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.519
else to acknowledge probably the most famous
artist from A and M, aside from

899
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.760
her Melbert, but you know,
the the the Carpenters were, you know,

900
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.199
a huge star for A and M. So it's nice that they get

901
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.440
acknowledgement there. And Chaplain gets the
shout out with the muppet with the Kerman,

902
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.079
you know Kerman with the Kermit the
frog at the at the front with

903
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.079
the with the with the hat and
the cane. So it's it's nice that

904
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.599
the history is being acknowledged there.
I hope that's still the case. Um.

905
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.880
Also, I believe that George Harrison
founded his dark Horse Records on that

906
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:06.599
same lot. Oh interest seventies.
Cool. Um, that's that's also something

907
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.480
I heard while I worked there.
We saw Paul McCartney there one time,

908
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.960
Wow, said see every we saw
Chris Cornell, we saw Rod Stewart.

909
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:20.480
Uh, Ashley Simpson. Really you
had me. I wasn't interested until you

910
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.039
said, Ashley Simpson. M Paul
McCartney. Paul McCartney was totally cool.

911
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.679
A couple of people I worked with
went over and talked to him and had

912
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:30.840
like a nice conversation with them,
and yeah, yeah, that was a

913
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.519
wild place to work for sure.
They were always doing weird and then plus

914
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.159
the Muppets were there. Um.
I think the main Muppet factory like where

915
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.400
they make where they the workshop is
in New York. Um, but they

916
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.719
also have what they call them up
at barn at the Hanson lot there where

917
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:46.320
they are working on other stuff.
Um, because they'll do They use that

918
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:52.360
sound stage there to film Muppet related
things too. So have you I saw

919
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.960
that show they're called Muppet Up Have
you ever seen that? No? Sorry,

920
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.760
I met it was Rare. I
met Jim Henson Junior there and he

921
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.280
and he talks like Kermit. It's
the most bizarre thing. But yeah,

922
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:06.119
when I worked at the lot he
was still he's still on in office there.

923
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.119
It's a really nice guy. But
this muppet up is improv and it's

924
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:14.280
all you know. They have like
a cast of six people and it's in

925
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:19.280
a slew of props and puppets,
and somebody throws out an idea and they

926
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.639
do the Muppets, but not the
famous Muppets because it's filthy. I mean

927
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:27.360
it's really filthy. It's really edgy
and very very funny, but it is.

928
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.639
It is a proper Muppet production without
any of their big names. And

929
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:35.320
say Jim Junior was there, so
um but it's fascinating. I don't know

930
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.079
if they've ever done in a documentary
on that. Probably wouldn't let them,

931
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.639
but because we could be upset,
it's good. It's good stuff. Yeah,

932
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.639
So rest in peace, Karen Carpenter. Next up Nat King Cole,

933
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:57.039
who recorded an album in nineteen sixty, same as Ella Fitzgerald's first album.

934
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.840
His album was called The Magic of
Christmas uh and it is the only Christmas

935
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:08.280
album that that Cole ever released.
What's interesting is his most famous Christmas song

936
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:11.480
which is now like one of the
most famous song Christmas songs ever called the

937
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.199
Christmas Song, was not on that
album. Uh. They did not record

938
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:19.960
it until a year later, and
ended up being such a huge hit that

939
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:25.119
when they reissued The Magic of Christmas
album in sixty three a few years later,

940
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:29.199
UM, they renamed it the Christmas
Song and added that track to it.

941
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.079
UM because it becomes such a huge
smash hit by that point. It

942
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.400
is. Yeah, it's a definitive
version most certainly, and a lot of

943
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:39.639
people don't even know it's called the
Christmas Song, but they would say,

944
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.360
you know, the chestnuts roasting on
up and fire that one, right,

945
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.079
and it's just it's it's funny.
But yeah, that certainly had has the

946
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:51.840
most recognized version of that song,
which is also interesting because is written by

947
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.719
Meltor May, not even written by
you know, I didn't know that.

948
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.840
Yeah, Meltor May wrote it,
made a fortune on it. But but

949
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.960
the definitive recording was Nat King Cole's
recording UM and if being owned the forties

950
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.480
and fifties. When it came to
Christmas music, Nat King Cole owned the

951
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:12.840
sixties. It was the biggest selling
Christmas album of the decade. I believe

952
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:18.039
it was his and its nice they
feature him on that big mural on the

953
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:23.159
side of Capitol Records. Right.
I love that. I think house the

954
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.719
NAT built, you know, yeah, right, yeah, so it's neat.

955
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.360
And he was he was born in
Alabama and always into music, came

956
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.679
to Los Angeles and of course,
we know, became very successful, very

957
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.480
successful in a very short period of
time because he died really young. But

958
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:45.639
he had he had very famously purchased
at home on June Street in Hancock Park,

959
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:50.440
and uh, Hancock Park had you
know for the old people, the

960
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:55.719
old family people in Hancock Park,
you know, people that had old money,

961
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.480
people that have inherited them, houses
that have been in the same families

962
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:04.079
for eighty years. Um still have
the documentation that when you bought a house

963
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.000
in Hancock Park there were you know, no Jews and no blacks. Was

964
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:14.119
literally in the paperwork for the Homework
Association or whatever. Yeah. Yeah,

965
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.239
and that you know, was the
first first black person to move in.

966
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:20.880
And there's the story about you know, somebody burning across on his lawn.

967
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:27.679
I don't know if that's true,
but he certainly had am an issue with

968
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.880
Yeah, they wanted him out and
were very vocal about it. Yeah.

969
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.239
Yeah, there's that famous there's that
famous story about them. They came and

970
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:38.639
knocked on his door and said,
we don't want any undesirables in this neighborhood,

971
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:42.559
and he said I don't either,
and you know I see anything.

972
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.920
Yeah, yeah, I love that
story. So um so yeah. He

973
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.239
certainly anyone that you know of of
color, anyone you know, back in

974
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.039
that period of time, had you
know, a lot of other issues aside

975
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.519
from just trying to break into the
industry, which is hard enough to do.

976
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.360
To make that, you know,
that kind of successful where everyone was

977
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:10.320
buying their records and having him in
their record collection was a bigger accomplishment than

978
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:15.239
a lot of other people would could
claim. You know. Yeah, my

979
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:23.000
grandfather, who grew up in Glendale, he he told me that. He

980
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.440
told me when I shot my Oilerhouse
documentary, which was about him and the

981
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:31.119
architect Richard Neutra. He told me
when we were filming that that he growing

982
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.280
up in Glendale, being in la
He and my grandma when they were kind

983
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:38.480
of first together, they would go
see Nat King Cole play at a club.

984
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.320
He said it was on Normandy and
I believe he specifically said in the

985
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.599
Hollywood area, So I haven't done
the research to find out where that would

986
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.239
have been, but yeah, my
grandpa was really proud of the fact that

987
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:53.159
he saw Nat King Cole play before
he was super famous. Probably would have

988
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.119
been the forties, would be my
guess. Yeah, yeah, Normandy,

989
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.360
that would be probably around will Shirk
because I don't think there were any clubs

990
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.760
around Norman Dean Hollywood at that point, but there were because it was so

991
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.760
close to the Ambassador Hotel. Uh, and that's there were a lot of

992
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:11.480
nightclubs around that area, I think. So that's that's fascinating. Uh.

993
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.280
That would have been a real that
would have been a real accomplishment. That

994
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.439
would have been something to see.
Yeah, for sure, a memorable.

995
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:21.439
Yeah. I mean, I love
before they were famous type of stories,

996
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:25.920
you know, and what a great
one to have, ye. Yeah.

997
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:29.800
My grandmother when she the last few
years of her life, she had really

998
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.520
bad dementia. She had Alzheimer's and
sundowners I think, um, which is

999
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:35.319
it's the horrible combination and so you
know, at the end she didn't really

1000
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:40.079
remember much obviously, but she was
such a big jazz music fan when she

1001
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.640
was younger, she still knew all
the jazz songs. And I remember she

1002
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.960
sang Stardust for us one time,
which was a huge Snack King Cole hit.

1003
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.039
And you know, even if she
didn't know who was in the room

1004
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:53.199
with her, even though they were
you know, lifelong family members, she

1005
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:57.079
still remembered every single word of Stardust. Isn't that funny? Music is so

1006
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.159
powerful, the power of music.
What is sundowners? I've never heard of

1007
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:06.880
that. Sundowners is I believe a
form of dementia that impacts you more late

1008
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:11.399
in the day, which is why
it's called sundowners. So people's sundowners might

1009
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:13.479
be great in the morning, in
the middle of the day, and then

1010
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:15.279
you know, getting toward the end
of the day, they start to get

1011
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:20.279
foggy. That's how I understand it. And I think Alzheimer's kind of affects

1012
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.119
you all the time, so to
have both at the same time, it

1013
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:28.039
was a bad combination. So well, yeah, of course it was a

1014
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:33.239
big time smoker, big time smoker, cigarette smoker and h and ultimately they

1015
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:38.199
claimed him and he died in February
fifteenth, nineteen sixty five. He was

1016
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:43.039
only forty five years old. In
sixty five, it says so sad.

1017
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.520
And you know, very famously had
a daughter, Natal Natalie Cole, who

1018
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:50.359
actually passed away a couple of years
ago. And he had a son who

1019
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:57.279
passed away of HIV, etc.
They're buried and NAT's buried in Forest Lawn,

1020
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:03.399
Hollywood Hills, down the same hallway
as um Clara Bow and George Burns

1021
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:09.840
and Gracie Allen and Alan Ladd.
And he's got one of those cool UH

1022
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.800
signature markers. It's his signature on
this big on the big wall in the

1023
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.479
mausoleum. That's his autograph. I've
since looked at it and it is his

1024
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.199
autographs, so that I like when
people do that, when they put their

1025
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.520
autographs on their graves. That's kind
of neat. But yeah, yeah,

1026
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:30.039
that's so he's at UH and the
Freedom Ausoleum at Forest Lawn, Glendale.

1027
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.079
UM. So rest in peace,
Nat King Cole and um, we wanted

1028
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:41.119
to next talk about burrel lives.
Interesting guy, I think, yes,

1029
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:46.439
I mean an Academy Academy Award winning
actor and singer um who just kind of

1030
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:50.159
did a little bit of everything.
It seems like them was very successful at

1031
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:55.000
it too. Yeah he um,
yeah, of course I mean, he's

1032
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:57.720
been in those classic movies. He
was in Eased to Be In with m

1033
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:02.840
with James Dean, he was in
katadahat tim Roof, he was in um

1034
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.319
Well, he won the Oscar for
a movie called The Big Country. I've

1035
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.159
not I've never seen that, so
I don't one supporting actor. I haven't

1036
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:15.000
seen it either. Yeah. Yeah, but but to baby boomers it would

1037
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.199
be the the narrator of the Rank
and Bass Show, Rudolph the Red Nose

1038
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:25.439
Reindeer. Uh, it was ums, it's a I mean it was classic

1039
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:29.840
growing up. It was just a
literal classic. And yeah, I mean

1040
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.079
it's it's his classic. I mean
I think it's as classic as It's a

1041
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:40.039
Wonderful Life or or you know,
or or The Christmas Story or whatever what.

1042
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:44.199
You'd wait a year to see that
twenty five minute little piece of film,

1043
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:51.119
you know, that stop action animation
and which was really fascinatingly kind of

1044
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.920
I don't want to say ripped off. But the the the Elf movie,

1045
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.520
you know, they they I was
watching. I think we talked about us

1046
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.199
in another episode. Yeah, I
think we talked about this. Yeah,

1047
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:08.319
how they Yeah, the movies that
made us on Netflix, I mean they

1048
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:13.920
almost fascinated. They almost didn't get
to finish the movie because they didn't without

1049
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.520
permission, right, I think they
thought they had the okay and they didn't.

1050
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:23.520
And then it was and Buddy's outfit
was basically like a replica of you

1051
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.840
know, the same color and everything. They're they're trying to figure out if

1052
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.079
there was a way that they could
like digitally change the color of his outfit

1053
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:32.720
that make it less. I mean, yeah, it's pretty wild. I

1054
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.640
don't think they actually did get permission, but they made it different enough.

1055
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:41.039
But I don't know if Frank and
Bash ever signed on. I can't remember.

1056
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.000
I think they worked something out because
I don't think the studio would have

1057
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.520
let them finish. And that was
horrible because John, that was John Favros,

1058
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:54.079
I think, first directing film and
he um. I mean, it

1059
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:56.600
would have looked at the career he's
had since then. It would have just

1060
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.359
stalled him out so bad. If
and they look at what a huge hit

1061
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:03.239
that became, and ye Will Farrell
wasn't really seen as much of a movie

1062
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.000
star at that point either, and
that it launched him as a movie star,

1063
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.760
like it launched these crazy careers that
would have never happened if if they

1064
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.439
had had the production canceled halfway in
because they didn't get the rights. It's

1065
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.920
I mean, it's it's wild to
see a movie that's come out in you

1066
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:20.760
know, in the last fifteen twenty
years, it's considered a Christmas classic,

1067
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:25.359
you know, like that one is. Yeah, like that's Elf is one

1068
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:27.600
where the minute I saw it was
like, this is a classic. You

1069
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:31.760
knew, you knew right away.
Yeah, so so and so um Verlive's

1070
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:41.000
narrated Rudolph the Redno's Ranger as the
as the Snowman that uh and um and

1071
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:46.039
and that was made in sixty four, that that special. And now Troy

1072
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:51.520
was just telling me they redid it
recently digitally, like frame by frame.

1073
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:55.800
And I don't know where he saw
that, but they actually redid it again.

1074
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.960
I don't know why. Why would
you they redid it. I don't

1075
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.680
know. They had something to do
with the process. I have to ask

1076
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.800
Troy about that later. In fact, we should probably, you know,

1077
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:09.199
I don't know the point of it, but it was to add another scene

1078
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.399
that wasn't there or that they originally
into. I don't know. I just

1079
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.960
leave it, just leave it,
you know. The Island of Misfit Toys

1080
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:19.159
was awesome. I loved I loved
it, loved it. It is a

1081
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:23.319
going to the Elf thing. It
is always a question of when does an

1082
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:28.840
homage become just ripping off? Yeah, you know, and like Community did

1083
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.680
a whole episode that was in that
style, that stop motion Rudolph the Red

1084
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.279
Nosed Reindeer style. They did a
whole episode like that. But that was

1085
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:39.960
a comedy show, so it could
have it was parody. Yeah, I

1086
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:43.439
guess elf, you couldn't say it's
parody. It was just straight up taking

1087
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.239
taking the look. I see.
Someone seeing Elf for the first time that

1088
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:51.119
wasn't around at sixty four would think
that Elf came up with it and they

1089
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:55.920
watched the special and going wow,
you know that's really you know, that's

1090
01:14:55.920 --> 01:15:05.319
really something. But what a coincidence. So burlives his recordings of Holly Jolly

1091
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:11.319
Christmas and Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer
came out of that special and those recordings

1092
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:19.560
now have become on their own crap
classic Christmas song recordings. And he passed

1093
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:25.439
away on April fourteenth, nineteen ninety
five, from oral cancer. Um he

1094
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:29.720
was I guess he smoked a lot
of smoked pipes a lot throughout his life.

1095
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.520
And he was eighty five. He
was eighty five. I go,

1096
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.520
there's a couple of things I wanted
to point out about him. He towards

1097
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:38.680
the end of his life, he
did a movie called The Man Who Wanted

1098
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.640
to Live Forever, And this is
about a man who literally wanted to live

1099
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:46.319
forever and he was buying he was
harvesting organs from people who weren't dead yet,

1100
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.680
like like arranging for their deaths so
he could have their organs so he

1101
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:57.520
could live together, which is really
fascinating idea. But he was the voice

1102
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:04.600
of something there was. There was
an attraction at Disneyland called America Sings and

1103
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:11.600
it was narrated by an eagle called
Sam and it was narrated by burl Ives

1104
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.479
and it was called the Theater where
it was in You probably you grew up

1105
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:18.199
here, So you remember like the
Carousel of Progress that round theater that was

1106
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:25.920
by Autopia. Yeah, yeah,
So America Sings was this was this production

1107
01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:30.279
within that that theater which spun which
literally turns around is the Carousel of Progress.

1108
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:36.239
And two weeks after it opened,
um there was a woman named Deborah

1109
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.880
Stone. She was a Disneyland employee. She was crushed to death. She

1110
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.920
was the first Disneyland employee to ever
be killed on the job in that theater

1111
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.560
a week or two weeks after that
show opened in Disneyland. Her name was

1112
01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:55.319
Carousel. Yeah, she got she
got stuck between a wall and the moving

1113
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:59.039
wall that was coming up to it. So so she's standing here and this

1114
01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:01.119
thing is moving and boom she you
know, right when it's supposed to pass

1115
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:05.399
by. So she was. There
had been people killed at Disneyland before that,

1116
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.520
but never an employee. That was
the first time an employee was killed

1117
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:14.000
in Disneyland. And they shut down
the ride for two days. I think,

1118
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:18.000
well, I would hope. And
it wasn't no Disney It was not

1119
01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:20.800
a tribute. I mean, they
were just trying to scramble iron and how

1120
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:26.079
to get that thing opened up again, you know. But the way it

1121
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:29.520
was described, there was somebody that
was in the audience and he said he

1122
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.319
said he looked to the right and
saw what he thought was a child being

1123
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:39.600
pulled between the platform and the wall
and heard a scream, which is fascinating.

1124
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.760
That was in the newspaper reporting that
death. But but yeah, there's

1125
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.920
a weird burl ives trivia question for
you. So he was alive too when

1126
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:51.880
that happened. He lived for another
twenty five years after that, So burl

1127
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:58.399
ives, go figure burl ives.
Um all right, So I wanted to

1128
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:04.119
throw a little herball in here for
our last one, and that is uh,

1129
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:13.359
that is Alvin and the Chipmunks,
Um and the Chipmunks song Christmas Don't

1130
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:18.680
Be Late. Um. So the
Chipmunks, you know that that song was

1131
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.840
recorded of this same era that we're
talking about. It was actually recorded in

1132
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:27.359
nineteen fifty eight. I thought I
was gonna say mid sixties. Wow,

1133
01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:30.520
you would think, but no,
it was recorded before there was any cartoon

1134
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.880
Chipmunks or anything like that. So
it basically launched Alvin and the Chipmunks,

1135
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:38.800
which I didn't realize. I thought
they were already established by the time the

1136
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:44.680
song got made. But um uh
ross Bagdasarian who was the guy that created

1137
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:47.760
the Chipmunks, And his stage name
was Dave Saville, who is you know

1138
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:53.279
They're they're like Dad or whatever on
the show, David Saville. And so

1139
01:18:53.720 --> 01:19:00.399
he was a singer, songwriter and
an actor. Um he um had done

1140
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.079
previously done. He'd like to do
novelty songs, and so he had figured

1141
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:08.399
out he'd done a novelty song I
think earlier that year, the year before,

1142
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.960
called I Think the Witch Doctor,
about a guy who a guy who

1143
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.439
can't about a guy who can't find
love, and so he goes to see

1144
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:17.279
a witch doctor. And that was
the first time that ross Um figured out

1145
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:21.600
a way his technique of speeding up
the recording to make the voice sound higher

1146
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:26.720
pitched, which is of course how
the chipmunks how they do those voices.

1147
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.359
I didn't know that a witch doctor. That was a big tang tang,

1148
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.760
wattle bing bang that was that was
a big song. Yeah, so I

1149
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:39.039
didn't know that was Dave Seville as
well. It's wild And so he figured

1150
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:41.720
out that recording technique. He did
that song. It was a big hit.

1151
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.159
They wanted more, you know,
the the record label wanted more of

1152
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:48.119
him. And supposedly he was driving
through Sequoia National Forest and he almost hit

1153
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:53.079
a chipmunk with his car and that
gave him the idea of the chipmunks,

1154
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:56.039
and he was like that. I
guess he thought, oh, that sped

1155
01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:59.720
up voice could sound like a chipmunk
talking, So let's do something U.

1156
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.479
So he released the song in nineteen
fifty eight, and I mean there was

1157
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:06.199
no Chipmunk animated idea of this happening. That didn't come around for a few

1158
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:11.560
more years. I think sixty or
sixty one is when the Chipmunk animated series,

1159
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:15.319
like the first attempt at it came
out. But it sold four million

1160
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.640
copies in the first two months.
It was number one on Billboard. It

1161
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.720
knocked off the Phil Spector song to
Know Him Is to Love Him by the

1162
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:27.319
Teddy Bears, And yeah, it
was. It wasn't a couple of years.

1163
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.720
I think it was the sixty one
that they started doing the thing.

1164
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:36.039
But here's what's interesting. So Bagdasarian
was Armenian American. His earliest one of

1165
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:41.600
his earliest songwriting credits was come On
to My House, which Rosemary Clooney made

1166
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.600
famous. He wrote that from White
Christmas. Interesting he also had he had

1167
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.000
been an actor and had bit parts. He had a small part in Stalock

1168
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:51.720
seventeen, for example. And this
is my favorite one, my favorite film

1169
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:59.159
of all time is Rear Window by
Hitchcock. Bagdasarian is the piano player neighbor

1170
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:04.520
struggling to write his next hit song, and he writes the song Lisa and

1171
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:08.279
there's a bunch of scenes with him. He's one where he comes home drunk

1172
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:12.840
and collapses and he has a party
next door and eventually ends up with miss

1173
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.319
Lonely hearts at the end. Well, yeah, that is that is basically

1174
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:20.399
Dave Seville. Wow, that's so
cool. I had no idea. Does

1175
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:24.239
he get screen credit for that?
I mean he had lines. I would

1176
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:27.000
think he did. And that's.
Um, you know how Hitchcock would always

1177
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.880
put himself into his movies. That's
yeah, that that's where Hitchcock put himself.

1178
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:34.119
In the rear window. Hitchcock is
in his apartment with Ross Bagdasarian,

1179
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:39.479
and Hitchcock is winding a clock on
the mantel. I've got to see that

1180
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.560
again. I was just looking at
like a Hitchcock collection to h to watch

1181
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.520
over. I haven't seen that movie
in probably twenty years. I have to,

1182
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.359
really, I have to check that
out. And I think I think

1183
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:51.600
I have it. I think they
just came out with the four K discussion

1184
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:58.760
too. Um, yeah, that's
great. So unfortunately, uh, he

1185
01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:03.119
Bagdasarian. Bagdasarian died from a heart
attack in nineteen seventy two. He was

1186
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:06.960
only fifty two years old. Wow, so he didn't. I mean,

1187
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:11.520
we're still talking about it, you
know, fifty years later. Fifty years

1188
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.600
later. Now, what happened was
his son, Ross Baghdasarian Junior I think

1189
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:17.920
is his name. His son took
over the franchise. Basically, his son

1190
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:21.760
got a law degree and kind of
took over the family business and ended up

1191
01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:28.000
buying the rights off from his siblings
in the nineties. So all the Chipmunk

1192
01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.760
stuff that happened in the eighties nineties
up till today, the more recent movies

1193
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:36.840
they've done that's all been the Sun
has kept that business going basically. M

1194
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.680
Yeah, that was a big TV
show. I remember watching that cartoon when

1195
01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:45.479
I was a kid too. That
was so popular. Yeah, yep,

1196
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:51.079
it's great. How then and then
this is like a funny little piece of

1197
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:56.000
film trivia. I love it.
In Rocky four, when they get to

1198
01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:59.640
that cabin in Russia to do his
like final training before the big fight with

1199
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:04.560
the Rush, Polly is listening to
that song the Chipmunks Songpones while they're hanging

1200
01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:09.600
out and chilling in this like living
room area this cabin. Yeah. I

1201
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:13.960
always thought that was funny that Paully's
listening to that song. Um, so

1202
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:17.720
yeah, there you go, the
chipmunks and Dave Seville. That's interesting.

1203
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:20.439
I didn't know that about Seville.
That's do you know where he's buried?

1204
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:24.600
I wonder where he's buried? Do
you know? Oh wait, I do?

1205
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:28.239
I looked at up pulled on according
to find a grave, he is

1206
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:32.560
buried at Chapel of the Pines Crematory
in Los Angeles. So he was I

1207
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:38.760
mean Chapel the Pines is mostly storage. Uh. They it's right on Wilshire

1208
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:44.239
by by Angelus Rosedale, and they
do tons of cremations and they have storage

1209
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.920
rooms beneath just stack from floor to
ceiling with people's creamines. But they have

1210
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:57.119
a really small cemetery itself for actually
you know display quote unquote, but there's

1211
01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.640
a ton of people underneath underneath that. We actually got in there once and

1212
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.479
the door was open, and uh, and we took some pictures down there,

1213
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:08.600
and I wish I would have had
more nerve because I would have gone

1214
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:11.600
up and down with the names and
show, you know, trying to figure

1215
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:15.399
out who was down there, because
that's sort of the final disposition on their

1216
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:18.239
desk ertif they could say Chapel of
the Pines. But like Stephen Stucker,

1217
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:23.119
the guy from Airplane had played Johnny
is was Chapel of the Pines. But

1218
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:26.079
you to get somebody out of there
and buried somewhere else, you have to

1219
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:29.760
go through this whole legal process.
And it wasn't that where the isn't that

1220
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.319
where the Frankenstein actor was we talked
about them? Oh yeah, yeah,

1221
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.479
we sure did. Yeah, it
was that the same place because it was

1222
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:41.159
a similar situation. He laid unclaimed
for like twenty years or something. Yeah.

1223
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:44.760
Yeah, so so that you know, chapel Inglewood has one of those

1224
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.560
too, though Inglewood has But when
you first drive into Inglewood in the main

1225
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:53.680
entrance on the left, there's there's
the chapel and then but underneath that chapel

1226
01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:57.960
is another slew of storage rooms and
people that aren't even buried, just just

1227
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:02.119
there because I know the paying the
storage fee, but but they're not they're

1228
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:06.119
not out in the world. Like
seeing on display. Um, it's kind

1229
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:12.439
of interesting but fascinating, fascinating.
So Davesonville is there, but we don't

1230
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:15.800
know if he's on display, he
might be just being stored there in Yeah,

1231
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:19.039
it would be weird though that if
his family is still around and they

1232
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:23.720
still have obviously still making it,
you know, quite a bit of money

1233
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:28.439
off of the franchise. Why wouldn't
they have taken care of his remains?

1234
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.760
He would think, I don't think
there was any I don't think there was

1235
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.279
any bad blood or anything like that. Some people just don't give a care

1236
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.640
that. Some people just don't care. That's true. It's it's not high

1237
01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:42.159
on there. And also some people
just have them like like well Larry Tate,

1238
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.159
you know, the guy that played
David White. You know, he

1239
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:46.880
died and it wasn't it's only twenty
five years later. He ended up at

1240
01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:50.520
Hollywood Cemetery in a in a you
know, in a niche that's you know,

1241
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:56.079
visible with with that's decorated with all
of his artifacts. So, you

1242
01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:59.159
know, sometimes people keep them at
home until they die and then they want

1243
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:01.880
to be with doing that app that
I do, that Death of Day app.

1244
01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:06.560
Every day I'm finding somebody and it's
always like cremated to residents? What

1245
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:10.000
happened? You know? I want
to know where they are, and it

1246
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:15.199
just says it's always says cremated to
residents or so it's sitting on someone's mantle

1247
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.760
somewhere. Yeah, yeah, right, All right, do you want to

1248
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:24.800
get into worst Christmas songs? Oh? You know you've been waiting, you've

1249
01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:28.680
aired up. I'll go into some
good ones first, though, I'll go

1250
01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:31.439
into some of my favorite ones.
I just wanted to say upfront that I

1251
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.119
think the problem I have a most
Christmas songs, especially ones recorded posts like

1252
01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:41.319
nineteen seventy, is that they're done
so cynically. It's the it's in cash.

1253
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.000
It feel always feels like a cash
grab a lot of these pop groups

1254
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.319
to put albums. It's kind of
like the it's almost like the record label

1255
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:49.319
made them do it kind of a
deal because it makes money, you know.

1256
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.039
Um, it's kind of like what
Bill Nye's character makes fun of and

1257
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.680
I love. Actually he's playing like
a rock star that's put out this same

1258
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.079
thing. He's reworked one of his
classic hits to be a Christmas song,

1259
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:05.239
and he's telling people it sucks,
it's terrible, but they did it because

1260
01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:09.560
it's you know, they need because
they'll make money. So that's how I

1261
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.920
feel about a lot of these songs, and I'll probably how I'm gonna feel

1262
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:14.920
about a lot of ones you're gonna
talk about, Well, they I mean,

1263
01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:16.800
they did to that album in the
eighties called A Very Special Christmas where

1264
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:20.680
those people covered you know, the
Arithmetics for Springsteen, the Pointer Sisters,

1265
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:24.239
I mean they I think it was
done for a cause. Is that where

1266
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:28.439
Springstein came up with the Santa Clauses
coming to Town? Was that which is

1267
01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:30.760
up there and one of the ones
I hate the most because it sounds like

1268
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:36.600
he's taken a dump the whole time. You know. But Annie Lennox or

1269
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:41.640
the Arithmetics did uh Winter wonder Land, which is one of my favorite songs

1270
01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.840
Christmas songs. I think, Uh
so he did Marry Christmas Baby, That's

1271
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:50.000
what it is. Bruce Springsteen did, Whitney Houston did do you Do you

1272
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:53.640
Hear What I Hear? Which I
think is a really good version of it.

1273
01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.720
I like that a lot. So
there are some good songs in it,

1274
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.760
I really some of them. Really. There were some pretty There's a

1275
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.199
lot of clinkers in there too.
Yeah, but uh but yeah, I

1276
01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:05.439
know what you're saying. We got
to create a christmash one in there,

1277
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:12.399
um and then they become accidental.
I think super hits like Troy when he

1278
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:15.479
when he hears that Mariah Carey song, he wants to murder. I mean,

1279
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:18.600
he just wants to murder. Yes, that is near at the top

1280
01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.119
of my list. And that's in
speaking of love. Actually, that's in

1281
01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:25.399
love. Actually that was it.
Really. They perform it as the um

1282
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.680
as the the kids perform it as
part of the school show at the end.

1283
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:30.039
Yeah, it's like kind of the
finale. Basically, is that song.

1284
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.439
I don't see. I don't mind
it. I think it's a cute

1285
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:36.760
song, but it's just it's but
it sets people off. It's been it's

1286
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:41.720
been so overplayed, I think is
the problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1287
01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:43.840
well this isn't. A couple of
years ago, she was on the

1288
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.960
Macy's parade and that's so I don't
and that's the I don't want a lot

1289
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:50.800
for Christmas song. All I wanted
to do that song. Yeah. All

1290
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:55.319
I want for Christmas is you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they

1291
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:00.039
had her singing on the Macy's Thanksgiving
a parade a pull of years ago,

1292
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:02.920
on a float on that on a
loop and she was lip sick and she

1293
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:09.199
just gave up during it. She's
just like stopped. It's on YouTube.

1294
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:14.199
It's kind of funny, but she
just like screw. She's hilarious. She

1295
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.600
really is. She was on a
show once and I knew somebody that worked

1296
01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:20.760
on the show, and she was
a guest on this talk show and she

1297
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:26.000
would just sit there in her chair
and she would go like this, and

1298
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:30.319
the assistant would come running up with
a tray with like three different drinks on

1299
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.840
it, and she hadn't even lift
her eyes. She would just you know,

1300
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:36.880
like like drink out of one of
these drinks that she wanted. She

1301
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:41.000
would just tilt her hat and you
know, does the assistant come running at

1302
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:45.880
the drink. It's kind of I
love that story, but uh yeah.

1303
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.600
So that's one of those ones that
people really like or don't like big time.

1304
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:57.159
I like personally, I love h
I love the Rynet when they the

1305
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.359
Phil Spector Christmas album I think is
a fantastic album, and they did a

1306
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:04.920
Winter Wonderland I think and sleigh Ride. I think sleigh Ride is my number

1307
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:09.760
one Christmas favorite song. There's never
a version. I don't like that with

1308
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.720
you know, let's hear the sleigh
bells ringling jing jing. I love that

1309
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:17.800
song. I'm a sucker for like
instrumentals and big orchestrations, so I do.

1310
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:20.720
I do love the sleigh Ride.
Song, and I think the Ronetts

1311
01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:24.960
do a really fun version of that. I think it's up there too.

1312
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:30.800
And speaking of Phil Spector that one
of my favorite songs kind of of that

1313
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:35.039
era in that genre is the Darling
Love Christmas Baby Please Come Home recording.

1314
01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:40.880
Oh yeah, yeah, if you
ever. One of my favorite documentaries ever

1315
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.359
is Twenty Feet from Stardom when they
do an excellent job of covering that whole

1316
01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:46.640
story and how Letterman you know,
I started bringing her on the show every

1317
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:50.199
year as a as a tradition.
I think that's so cool. Um,

1318
01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:56.479
okay, so stuff you don't like, let's hear it, unload Scott.

1319
01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:00.119
I like Santa Baby kind of by
Eartha Kit. I think that's a fun

1320
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:05.000
song, fun novelty song really,
and I don't like Madonna's version of it.

1321
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:11.880
I think she I think that she
did a substandard version of Santa Baby.

1322
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:17.239
Personally, I really really do not
like Blue Christmas Blue Christmas Feeling.

1323
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:21.840
Elvis never really liked it. I
found a few other people that feel that

1324
01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:27.640
way too. It's just not one
that not one that I enjoy. Because

1325
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.680
Dean Martin did a cover of it
also that but it was very it was

1326
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.319
very similar style though, I mean, yeah, basically just Dino singing,

1327
01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:38.319
you know, yeah, yeah,
you know why I talked to you,

1328
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:41.840
And he said, Rudolph the redne
he goes Rudy Lrodino's ringer. I talked

1329
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.239
to Angie Dickinson the other day,
as it were, she was doing a

1330
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:49.279
one woman night with Angie and there
was a little meet and greed afterwards,

1331
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:53.600
and I got an opportunity to talk
to her for a minute about Dean Martin.

1332
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:57.239
And something it always bugged me about
her about Dean Martin is that the

1333
01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:01.119
drunk thing is really good. You
know, it's really difficult to act drunk

1334
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:05.239
usually because when you're when you're drunk, you're the whole thing is you're trying

1335
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:11.199
to act sober. So it's really
difficult to act drunk. And I never

1336
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:14.520
believe for a second because he also
died of like liver and kidney failure.

1337
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.359
I mean he's been he also died
in Christmas Day, so it's relevant yea.

1338
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:21.560
And but I asked her, I
said, you know, the Dean

1339
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.640
Martin thing, because she was friends
with him. I said, was it?

1340
01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:27.279
You know, wasn't How can you
act that drunk? It had to

1341
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.039
be real? She goes, No, it wasn't. And I'll tell you

1342
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:31.800
that when I first met him the
first time, he said, I had

1343
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:35.319
stomach ulster. The whole thing is
an act. I'm not. This is

1344
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:40.039
not verbatim, but she said that
he was that. He told her straight

1345
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.439
off that he acts drunk and the
whole thing is an act. I don't.

1346
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:46.199
I'm not on board because ulster is
a temporary and I think that during

1347
01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:50.399
those Dean Martin celebrity roasts, you
couldn't even move well. And speaking of

1348
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:54.359
those, you know, the fame
by the most famous drunk act was Foster

1349
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:58.359
Brooks, who is great drunk act. But you could see him turn it

1350
01:32:58.359 --> 01:33:00.640
on and off. Yeah, he
kind of when he was done doing it,

1351
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:02.439
and you can see him turn it
off. It was kind of like

1352
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.399
an un scene moment and he would
be and then he would walk. He

1353
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:09.239
would He was con kinded to say
that was an act. I just my

1354
01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:13.079
performances ended, you know what I
mean. I don't think Dean did no.

1355
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:17.239
And if you watch what occasion point
is the Jerry Lewis telethon where they

1356
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.800
had the big reunion between Martin and
Lewis, and Snatra kind of maneuvered it

1357
01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:25.000
in surprise. If you go back, I remember when it first happened.

1358
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:28.239
I was like, oh, it
was really sentimental, emotional thing. If

1359
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.039
you go back and watch it again, it's on YouTube. It's like Demartin

1360
01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:36.880
can barely stand. He is slurring
so poorly that Jerry Lewis just walks away

1361
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:42.840
and stands on the podium and watches
because de Martin is just cannot even.

1362
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:46.199
He has to be led away by
Sinatra, literally standing couldn't see the stand

1363
01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:49.199
he I think he had a cigarette
his hand and he burned his coat with

1364
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:53.479
it. This is all, like, you know, I'm not It's not

1365
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:57.840
as all lovely and wonderful as everyone
remembers it to be, because some things

1366
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:01.000
are not supposed to be memorialized every
second of now we can analyze them and

1367
01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:04.640
can't leave it. It's just a
nice memory, but it is very interesting.

1368
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:08.880
I don't believe she told me point
playing her mouth to my ears,

1369
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:13.399
that that it was an act,
but I'm not sure it was so um

1370
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:16.720
anyway. Another song that I will
flip the switch as soon as it comes

1371
01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:25.079
on is The Little Saint Nick by
the Beach Boys Cannot Cannot. I'm not

1372
01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.880
a big fan of of falsetto anyway. But but the Beach Boys, I

1373
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.479
can forgive a lot of because I
think they're brilliant. But but Little Saint

1374
01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:36.159
Nick was like, yeah, I
don't I don't like that song. Um

1375
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:43.720
last Christmas, you know that was
George Michael step into Christmas, Elton John

1376
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:49.119
Wonderful Christmas Time Paul McCartney again,
Yeah, that's the top of my hate

1377
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:54.479
Listy, I hate it. So
which one Wonderful Time Paul McCartney. Yes,

1378
01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:56.880
number one on my list. It's
one. It's for to me,

1379
01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:01.600
it's the epitome of the cynical we're
doing a Christmas song to make money type

1380
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:04.159
of songs. Yeah, you know
what I mean. And it's Paul McCartney,

1381
01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:09.239
like his worst instincts, I think
as it's kind of a cynical songwriter.

1382
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:14.000
It's just it's great bow. Yeah. It's interesting because they have a

1383
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:19.319
in Britain, like a tradition,
whatever's the Christmas number one single? That's

1384
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:23.199
like every year, that's what the
people look forward to, the Christmas number

1385
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:26.159
one. So these are like,
that's what I think Bill Nie is trying

1386
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:30.520
to go for his characters. Love
actually is making number one. Yeah.

1387
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:32.680
Yeah, so every Christmas. It's
got to be a tradition that they have

1388
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.000
a Christmas number one song. So
I think people were just kicking them out.

1389
01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:42.279
Yeah. I think it was contrived
and and they're pretty, they're pretty.

1390
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:45.399
Yeah, it's pretty chewy, bubble
gummy kind of kind of stuff,

1391
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:49.720
throwaway stuff that didn't expect the last
forty years. Yeah, it's not the

1392
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:54.359
great compositions from the forties, fifties
and sixties that we've been talking about.

1393
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:59.560
Yeah, you know, yeah,
so not a fan. The second worst

1394
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:04.520
song for me is the Charlie Brown
Christmas Everest Scream. When that comes on,

1395
01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:12.439
I hate that Christmas time which that
is? That is, Um,

1396
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.640
that is a polarizing song. I've
come to like it more. It is

1397
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:20.840
kind of a sad, almost kind
of warped sounding song, and when it

1398
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:25.039
starts, it's like, this is
gonna last twenty minutes, you know what

1399
01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:29.359
I mean. It's so slow and
it's just no, I don't, I

1400
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:34.359
don't, no, no, I
don't. I don't think that should be

1401
01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:39.319
a Christmas classic. I don't think
so personally. Um, So that was

1402
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:45.359
you know. Vince Garralti. Garralty
was the great jazz musician who did all

1403
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:50.159
the Peanuts music. Um, and
he was speaking of people who died young

1404
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:56.079
unexpectedly. He had a massive heart
attack when he was forty seven in nineteen

1405
01:36:56.159 --> 01:37:00.520
seventy six and almost died on the
stage. He had just played a set

1406
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:06.159
at a nightclub in California, and
um, he went back to his hotel

1407
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:12.479
room and basically collapsed, started feeling
sick to his stomach and went to the

1408
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.000
restroom and collapsed in the bathroom and
had died from a massive heart attack.

1409
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.840
And I think he was another one
that just had kind of had an unhealthy

1410
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:25.000
lifestyle with you know, the smoking
and eating and everything else, and just

1411
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:30.479
and didn't take didn't kind of take
it seriously enough from his doctors about what

1412
01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:33.600
was you know, how serious the
situation was. But yeah, now band

1413
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:36.479
Aid did they know it's Christmas?
That was That's kind of an interesting one.

1414
01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:40.600
I'm out on board either way with
it big time. But I remember

1415
01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:42.720
when it came out and it was
a big deal because it was live Aid

1416
01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:46.600
was you know, came from that
basically that concept with a it was like

1417
01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:50.960
it was like the weird of the
world of Christmas songs, the people stay

1418
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:59.279
alive. That one's near the top
of my list also because it's just that

1419
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:03.319
pretentious rock star. Yes, you
know, now let's have st have the

1420
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:08.880
line where bitter Sting comes out.
It'll be great, you know. But

1421
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.359
but it's not as bad as feed
the world that the when they filmed that,

1422
01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.760
they did A and M. That
is to me so contrived. I

1423
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.279
mean that's the point. It is
contrived. But but it's so it's just

1424
01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:24.640
agony. It's just like, you
know, all those people together, could

1425
01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:28.520
could you know, get donate half
their fortunes. Why should I have to

1426
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.399
pay five bucks? You know,
you know, it's self world, hunger

1427
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:36.920
yourself the money. I love all
the footage, though. Have you seen

1428
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:43.039
the footage from the We Are the
World recording sessions where they show like Michael

1429
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:47.000
Jackson is especially hilarious on that because
his facial expressions reacting now some of the

1430
01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:53.439
people are singing. He's just like
that was the height of Michael Jackson dumb

1431
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:57.520
to I mean, that was like
right at the Thriller album time, and

1432
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:00.800
I think they shot it right after
the Grammy, so everyone was already exhausted

1433
01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:04.039
anyway, and they ended up starting
this session at like midnight or something.

1434
01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:09.000
Yeah, see Bob Dylan in there, you know, singing b though,

1435
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:15.199
and he's um uh and Quincy Jones
trying to you know, probably the only

1436
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:19.199
person who could have brought all those
huge egos together and made that work,

1437
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:26.000
right. Yeah, yeah, I
mean it's it's it's a legendary gathering of

1438
01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:29.680
people, that's for sure. The
fact that all those people were in one

1439
01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:33.560
room together, it's pretty pretty amazing
spectacular. So the last song on my

1440
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:39.159
list, the number one song I
despise the most, the one that makes

1441
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:44.039
me dive for the volume button or
the off button on the radio, is

1442
01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:48.399
called The Christmas Shoes. Uh huh
do you know it? I've heard of

1443
01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:50.279
it. I can't think of that. I can't think of how it goes

1444
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:57.640
right now that it is the most
agonizing. It's just so awful. It's

1445
01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:59.960
about a little boy that goes through
the department store to buy his shoe,

1446
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:03.840
buy a pair of shoes, um
and and it's just oh, Mike,

1447
01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:09.600
I can't even tell you how bad
this song is because it's I don't want

1448
01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:12.520
to spoil it for people because it'll
be a spoiler because if anyone hasn't heard

1449
01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:15.720
it before, they're gonna listen to
the song and they're gonna see exactly,

1450
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:17.399
but I think it's been out long
enough. You can nobody can. Well.

1451
01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:21.560
He basically is buying his pair of
shoes for his dead mother, and

1452
01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:25.840
and you go through the whole song
not knowing that this mother is dead,

1453
01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:29.880
and it is. It is just
it is so hard to sit through.

1454
01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:33.359
It is slow, it is awful, it's contrived, it is so it

1455
01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:39.119
just makes me insane, and people
like, really, my sister first show

1456
01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:40.920
played it for me and she goes, oh, you're gonna love this song.

1457
01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:45.680
As Peter was like, no,
it is so. It is to

1458
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:49.880
see the expression on your face the
first time you heard it with your sister,

1459
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:54.840
I couldn't know it was really waiting
for you to hear it. It

1460
01:40:54.920 --> 01:40:58.199
was it was something that I gave
it. I gave it a moment and

1461
01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:01.680
I just thought, this is contrived
piece. It's somebody a group called New

1462
01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:05.640
Shoes. I didn't even know who
sang it because I never even cared enough.

1463
01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:10.920
But they named they basically named their
group for the song I'm sorry.

1464
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:16.439
It's a Christian vocal group called New
Song and it was released in two thousand

1465
01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:21.720
and it is about this little boy
who it's it's it's well goodness. The

1466
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:26.880
song has appeared on various Worst Christmas
Song list and song was named the worst

1467
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:31.680
Christmas song ever by jezebel dot com. And uh and it's just it is

1468
01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:36.000
so so awful. Little boy wants
to buy a pair of shoes for his

1469
01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:41.560
terminally ill mother, and the boy
tells the cashier he wants to appear beautiful.

1470
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:44.680
It wants her to appear beautiful when
she meets Jesus. It is so

1471
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:48.840
I can't even tell you you got, but he wants you to appear beautiful,

1472
01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:53.760
like in the casket when she meets
Jesus. Since he is short o

1473
01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:57.079
money, he ends up. The
narrator ends up paying for the shoes,

1474
01:41:57.079 --> 01:42:01.039
which reminds him of the true meaning
of Christmas. It is just hate,

1475
01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:05.119
which is meaning of Christmas is buying
things at a department store. By it

1476
01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:09.920
for buying shoes for a little boy
who wants his mother to look beautiful,

1477
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:15.800
who when she meets Jesus because she's
terminally ill. When yeah, right,

1478
01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:20.840
it's gonna have the sassy ass shoes
Jesus. Click click click click click,

1479
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:27.319
Oh man, that's where up on
the rooftop click click click. How embarrassed

1480
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:31.239
would you be if he if he
didn't mention him, he didn't even notice

1481
01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:35.399
my shoes. I challenge anyone to
do that whole song, and there's probably

1482
01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:38.560
people just gonna go in, oh, how can you? How dare you

1483
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:41.359
say that it's the most beautiful song
ever and ever there's always people that do

1484
01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:45.479
say that, obviously, people that
disagree with with with with things, but

1485
01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:50.239
absolute agony. I can't even believe
it. Somebody okayed that to record it,

1486
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:54.359
and I can't believe it. People
are even talking about it, like

1487
01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:58.439
me, but it is so awful
that I just that's this my number one

1488
01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:02.199
I despise a song ever is in
life, I think, and now in

1489
01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:04.960
life, not just a Christmas song. I think it is like one of

1490
01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:12.199
the worst songs ever in my life. That's funny because you know, white

1491
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:16.720
Christmas is the biggest selling song in
history, not even just Christmas songs,

1492
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:20.560
just you have any song, and
according to you, the Christmas Shoes is

1493
01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:26.119
the worst song in history. So
we've run the full spectrum, contrived,

1494
01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:30.039
sappy pulling, you know, so
pulling at the heart strings. My little

1495
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:34.800
mom my mother is going to die
and she needs shoes and I can't afford

1496
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:39.800
to pay for them. I mean, it's like the Hallmark Christmas movies of

1497
01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:44.239
Christmas songs and that is the last
thing that you know, buy morphine,

1498
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:53.399
you know, with your money,
don't go over the will one more time.

1499
01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:58.920
Like I know, I'm just saying, plan just saying, but that's

1500
01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:02.439
it for my my Well, they
couldn't do a song called the Christmas Morphine.

1501
01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:05.079
That would be weird, so they
made it about it, But a

1502
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:12.000
lot of people would really enjoy that. I think Christmas the Christmas clonic pin.

1503
01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.760
Well, I'm sure there are people
who agree and disagree with our list,

1504
01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:19.680
but I will say that one of
the ways that we are manipulated by

1505
01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:26.600
you know, TV channels and UH
and media outlets was with the lists.

1506
01:44:26.640 --> 01:44:29.800
Whenever they put out a top ten
list, whether it's what they call list

1507
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:33.319
shows on TV, you know,
top ten vacation destinations, top ten beaches,

1508
01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:36.640
whatever, or you know, any
article comes up with a top ten

1509
01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:41.760
or whatever, they put that out
and knowing people will disagree and debate it

1510
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:45.319
and then talk about it and it
will get traffic. Well, I'm not

1511
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:47.840
doing it for traffic. I'm just
doing it to get it out there that

1512
01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:53.359
I hate it so much. You
have pure intentions. So I would sit

1513
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:56.640
in a room by myself and just
say it to myself, I hate that

1514
01:44:56.840 --> 01:45:06.000
song. Oh my god. Um
all right, oh you know, before

1515
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:09.960
we go, I just want to
say, by your recommendation, I finally

1516
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:13.960
watched for the first time The Bishops
Plight Bishops, Yes, with Carrie Grants

1517
01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.479
and David Niven. Yes, yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it.

1518
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:19.159
Was another one that was quite sappy
and you know, but that was

1519
01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:23.720
the time. It was very capra
esque. Yes, I was surprised that

1520
01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:26.760
it was known, like right off
the bat that Carry Grant was an angel,

1521
01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:30.159
so it's not a spoiler at all. And uh, and it was.

1522
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:31.920
It was. It was a cute. It was a nice Christmas movie.

1523
01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:34.880
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it
very much. Yeah. That was

1524
01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:38.880
my mom's favorite, so I always
watched it every year in her honor.

1525
01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:45.840
And apparently it was somewhat controversial because
Carrie Grant playing an angel was like kind

1526
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.600
of against type. He tended to
play a kind of darker or gray area

1527
01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:55.000
characters. Um, and I think
that that was somewhat controversial to have him

1528
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:58.640
play an angel. Um in that
era. This is what I think it

1529
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:01.159
was like nineteen forty nine or something
like that. They shot that movie on

1530
01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:05.640
the lot, the lot over by
Formosa Cafe. Oh really that's where they

1531
01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:09.960
filmed it. Yeah, you should
look up. The trailer for it is

1532
01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:12.960
really wild because you know, trailer's
back then were so weird. They're not

1533
01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:15.840
like they are now. It was
so about star power that it was literally

1534
01:46:16.119 --> 01:46:19.239
the trailer for it is there.
They're honest, they're on the back lot

1535
01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:25.600
or they're on the lot together,
like outside the sound stages, and it's

1536
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:29.760
Carrie Grant and Loretta Young and David
Niven. And they've realized they forgot to

1537
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.159
shoot the trailer. So the trailer
is then remembering, oh, we forgot

1538
01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:34.840
to shoot the trailer. So then
they run over to get on one of

1539
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:39.399
the sound stages and there's a security
guard there that stops them, as if

1540
01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:42.640
that would ever happen, and they
have to explain to the security guard what

1541
01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:45.279
the movie is about, and that's
basically the trailer, and then at the

1542
01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:48.640
end they just show a quick clip
reel with music of some of the big

1543
01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:53.760
moments from the film with titles over
it, and that's the whole trailer.

1544
01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:58.000
It's really wild. It's very,
very strange, but I wanted to mention

1545
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:02.720
that one also because it ties into
our our Universal Monsters um because the maid,

1546
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:11.399
the housekeeper in their home is Elsa
Lanchester, bride of Frankenstein. Yes,

1547
01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:15.960
yes, who played a servant as
usual rights yeah yeah, yeah,

1548
01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:19.439
yeah. But there's also another one
too, and I correct me if I'm

1549
01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:24.039
wrong, but Carolyn Grimes plays Zoo
Zoo in It's a Wonderful Life, and

1550
01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:28.359
she plays a daughter in this show
in this movie. Really think connection,

1551
01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:32.039
dude, Let's look that up because
I'm pretty sure. Um, let me

1552
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:38.760
look Bishop's Wife that's her. Yeah, wow, that is really wild.

1553
01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:44.479
So yeah, that's it's it's another
that that is the one of our podcasts

1554
01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:48.039
is It's a Wonderful Life that we
did and uh and so there's an association

1555
01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:53.479
with that and the Universal Monsters with
Alsa Lanchester. So it's interesting that she

1556
01:47:53.800 --> 01:47:59.880
that little girl played you know those
uh two iconic Christmas movies. Right.

1557
01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:02.439
Yeah. If you go to the
IMDb page for The Bishop's Wife, the

1558
01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:06.439
trailer is at the top, so
anybody watching this can watch this wild trailer

1559
01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:11.239
with Kerry Grant and David Niven and
Laurett A. Young. I thought another

1560
01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:15.159
interesting bit about this was there were
two screenwriters credited on it, and it

1561
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:17.279
plus it was I think it was
based on a novel. But this one

1562
01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:27.000
screenwriter's name was Leonardo Berkovici and he
ended up getting blacklisted in the fifties.

1563
01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:31.159
Just a few years later, he
was blacklisted by the House on American Activities

1564
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:36.560
Committee because he was called in to
testify. He'd been named by Edward Demitric

1565
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.920
and another person, and so in
nineteen fifty one he had to go and

1566
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.279
testify and he swore he was not
a member of the Communist Party, but

1567
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:49.079
then invoked his Fifth Amendment rights when
they asked if he had ever been in

1568
01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:51.760
the past, and he got blacklist
As the result, he had to move

1569
01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:58.000
to Europe for years and try to
make a living there. I think he

1570
01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:01.720
was there for like six or seven
years before he finally came back to work

1571
01:49:01.720 --> 01:49:05.119
with on a Tyrone Power film that
it ended up not getting made because Power

1572
01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:10.159
died. Um. But yeah,
And it's interesting when you watch the movie

1573
01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:14.800
from it's every time there's like layers. It's it's a little bit more complex

1574
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:17.359
than you realize at first. Because
I've seen it probably thirty times now and

1575
01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:20.079
I watched it again a couple weeks
ago, and I still catch little things

1576
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:26.199
that I've never caught before, like
little lines of dialogue that tie into There's

1577
01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:29.560
some interesting layers there. But the
when he does the line about the you

1578
01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:32.399
know, and he's looking at the
painting of the cathedral and Carry Grant says,

1579
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:36.880
you know that big roof could make
so many little roofs. That is,

1580
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.600
you know, And then you realize
the guy that wrote that got blacklisted

1581
01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:43.560
for you know, being a communistic
It is there's an interest. It's just

1582
01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:46.600
interesting the whole sure, you know
what I mean. It's very uh because

1583
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.319
the the I don't want to give
away the movie anybody hasn't seen it yet,

1584
01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:54.000
but the setup is that Niven plays
a bishop and he's trying to build

1585
01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:57.840
this huge cathedral and he's trying to
woo this rich woman who widow, who's

1586
01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:00.239
going to give him the money to
make the cathedral, but she want to

1587
01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:03.119
make it all about her dead husband
and he wants to basically being a monument.

1588
01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:06.840
So David Niven asked for help.
He prays for help, and Carry

1589
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.399
Grant comes down as an angel to
help him, but of course not in

1590
01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:12.960
the way that he expects and that's
what the movie is all about. So

1591
01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:15.720
yeah, yeah, that's cute.
I enjoyed the movie. I did very

1592
01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:20.319
much, so well, good did
we do it? Did we do Christmas?

1593
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:28.760
I'm gonna go watch Peewee's Christmas special
now a Palate Cleanser, another one

1594
01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:33.319
of our podcasts. Yes, I
love it like our Christmas, don't we?

1595
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:38.119
So thanks again. We always have
to do a shout out to our

1596
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:44.479
Patreon supporters. We keep adding new
ones and we're going to do another exclusive

1597
01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:46.439
show for them, probably next week, so look out for that. But

1598
01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:50.800
we wanted to get this out in
time for Christmas. So again, thanks

1599
01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:54.399
to all our Patreon supporters, and
thanks to everyone else. Thanks to all

1600
01:50:54.399 --> 01:50:57.239
of you for listening to our show
every week or every month. Yeah,

1601
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:00.399
thank you very much, and I
hope you have a wonderful Christmas or whatever

1602
01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:04.760
you're happy Hollows every New Year,
everything else like that. Put on those

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those Christmas shoes and on that.
We'll see you on the next one.

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Thanks for watching you guys. Thanks. This has been an episode of the

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Dearly Departed podcast. Dig up more
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