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Guys, it's been a while since we've been on the air, but we're
back. It's been a couple of weeks. We've got a lot going on.
We've been from here to West Virginia and back. We've been to the
Mothman Festival. Some of us were abducted and impersonated by the Men in Black.
What an exciting weekend, a couple of weeks we've had just being with
our friends out in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, Vance Bike. It was
good to be with you, guys. Henry Matt you were missed, and
of course our special yesternight, Jay Michael. Will get him in here in
just a second. But guys, just some quick thoughts on moth Man.
I'd love to hear what you were thinking. I had an amazing time for
a plethora of different reasons. However, it was my first time to go
to the T and T area, and I just absorbed everything and I don't
know, I just became part of the environment there to understand what happened back
in nineteen sixty seven out of that area. So it was a privilege.
And to hang out with you guys and have breakfast that was just the cap
and the icing on the cake. It was great. We only got one
meal together. We were there for the whole weekend. We had some island
noodles, was the last sunder. The island noodles were yeah, fantastic.
Yeah, but it was a good time. The weather was perfect aside from
Sunday morning. The weather was perfect for the entire weekend. No, it
wasn't. It didn't rain during the whole during the haywarde Oh yeah, so
a wait, because we were out there on foot hecky the Hey Ride goers
as the men in Black. It was a lot of fun. We really
did have a lot of fun. By the way, guys, that was
six to eight Hey rides an hour for six hours. We were original material,
all improv I mean, kudos Debake and Jeff Thomas and myself. I'm
giving myself a pat on the back for that. It's hard enough doing that
in real suits. By the way, and I wore dress shoes. I
really committed to the part. No, this was completely authentic. It was
very authentic. Yes, Jay, I wore actual dress shoes. And I
guess sometimes I forget I'm a sizeable fellow because I didn't manage to jump on
one of the trailers and heckled the goers. And then as I got up
there, I'm like, well, shit, at some point I have to
get down and this isn't going to stop. So to quote John Pinett,
but he's a law I should obey. I learned the hard way. I
did dismount, but I did do a little. It's okay. No one
was hurt seismically or physically. Point pleasant was not a victim of my calamity.
But it was a great weekend. But Bake or any take go ahead,
Jake. They're probably casting your footprints where you jumped. Right now.
I'm wondering what was so ahead that made this. Yeah, they're gonna be
h They're gonna be more circular than footprint shaped, you know as money bill
rigby high bill. Go ahead, Bay. I really enjoy the festival every
year because it's it's the one festival that I go to that there are no
real experts compared to like maybe Walmsley and a few other ones, but they're
not. It's not like when you go to some of these like big Foot
Festival, there's always like I've got better evidence or I've got whatever. Like
the Mothman is just a mixture of all kinds of weirdness and everybody's just like
waiting in line for noodles. Yeah, I know, and everybody's happy.
You know, there's no even the speakers aren't like trying to work, you
know, like they're like, hey, this is what we know about this,
or they'll talk about South And I always love that Star Wars crowd is
there, and the Ghostbusters are there, Mountain Monsters was there, so miss
Trapper moth Boys, right, moth Boys were there. I can't remember his
name, but he's the guy who always dressed like he's like a forest ranger.
Tin. Okay, I'm gonna go on mute because you know train,
you're the train to come. That's okay. It only goes through his laundry
room. It's not a big deal. No, did we mute everybody or
just happened? No? No, I don't think so. But Henry,
you were missed at Mothman. That would have been a complete puzzled piece to
have had you there too. But it'll happen one day, I know it
will. Yeah, hopefully crossing my fingers, Yeah, cross bowl fingers.
Why not anyway, Wow, what a gap? Well what happened here?
There's a gap there, There's a huge gap. But nonetheless, to wrap
up, you know, the whole moth Man thing, it was a privilege
to hang out with plethora of friends there that are researchers, and you know,
they dive into all the aspects of the cryptid world, not just Bigfoot,
but they do dive into all of it, and they have a very
intellect opinion on everything that's about all these subjects altogether. And that's one thing
about Mothman. It's just not focused solely on Mothman. It's all the cryptids
that are within the region that are focused on. So you have people from
all different genres and yeah, it's kind of turning into a little bit more
of a cause play festival, but I think at heart it's still the Mothman
Festival. So I would try to wrap it up at that and you know,
we'll get into our whole bigfoot thing, because you know, after all,
that's why we're here. We're talking about the eighteen inch footprints that are
found and the research that continues. And you know, if anybody wants to
add to that, please jump in at any moment and and tell us what
what has been discovered within recent days. Well, I was going to say
one it probably one of the biggest things I came up since the last time
we met, was the discovery of the uh the mine at Ape Canyon.
Oh yes, uh so I heard. You know, I think Cliff Rockman
was down there. There was a few others I guess are they're actually descendants
of the miners that that had the that had the cabin at Ape Canyon,
and uh it was I believe a great grandson had. Actually you went down
and actually discovered where the mine was, Henry, do you know anything more
about that? Or Wow? I know that Mark Mark Moisselle has been diligently
researching the Ape Canyon story and where the location of the cabin was, and
he's pretty sure he found it. So and it's an amazing story. If
if you read his little book with about Ape Canyon, it's really well,
really well written, really well done. Yeah, definitely. And so I
mean they were saying that there was there's possibly in this mine shaft, which
is a little dangerous to get to, uh and to go inside. Just
getting there in itself is life threatening. But once you do get inside that
there are supposed to be actually tools that the players left behind on their way
up and uh so that would definitely be interesting for people to check out.
So that was definitely definitely big, big news over the over the last couple
of weeks since we've been on Oh well, I would say, and not
only big news, but that's huge news because that that puts nails into the
into the coffin of the entire story. Yeah. Wow, because without that
discovery of the mind, because that's why they were there. Wow that I
haven't heard this until now, So now I'm completely enthralled in that whole and
that whole thing. Holy cow. Wow, I can't even inform words right
now. That's great. After they after they were throwing the rocks the sasquatch
onto the cabin, they abandoned and left it. Yes, oh yes,
any tools left in there with literally the tools they were using that day,
yes, yes, And I know that they did find the campsite itself that
was that was a couple of years ago, and but they're still in the
process. They have original beams, uh from the cabinet itself, they have
uh you know, but I guess there's so much debris because it's so close
to Mount Saint Helen's, so there's uh, there's been debris that that's really
changed that landscape over over the last was forty years since uh, since that
occurred, you know, since the Mount Saint Helen's occurred. But uh,
there's still the possibility, yeah, absolutely that that they'll find a lot of
relics in there. And again they're stuff like that back in that day.
That was not cheap for those guys to It's not like they had Walmart and
they can they can run down and get picks and shovels. Stay they put
their life savings into in defining uh you know, getting these materials to go
out there. So so it's for them to leave that there, it really
adds credence to the to the legend you mentioned Mountain Helen's when it blew,
it sort of destroyed that whole area, right, Absolutely, get into it,
yep, yep, absolutely so. Well listen while we have Well,
Sean's there all right, So I was king Jay. Thanks Jay, if
you can introduce yourself to the uh, you know, to people in the
audience, I mean not you know, I know who you are. Yes,
yeah, sure I can do that. I'm Jay Michael Long and the
J is not Ja wis J period. And I became a documentary filmmaker in
two thousand and eight. I've got about fifty to seventy five titles out right
now. Most of them were on UFOs and aliens and ancient aliens and conspiracy
theories, things like that, because my executive producer that's what he tends to
hand me to do. I've done a couple of big Foot things. I
started in getting interested in all of this and seventy three when two guys in
Pascagoula were abducted and I saw a UFO that same night. And I've always
been interested in in UFOs and things of that nature. And then, of
course, like most of us, in nineteen seventy three, I went to
the theater watch a little movie called The Legend of Bogy Creek. There you
go right here. For me, I wouldn't go in the woods for a
year after watching that movie because I was like terrified there was a folk monster
in there or something. And I loved the movie and been interested in Sasquats
since then. Around nineteen ninety eight, I produced a CD rom on let's
say, I did one on the ISS, but I also did one that
had to do with like UFOs based stuff and all like that, and I
figured, well, I'm going to throw a section in on sasquatch also,
and I put it in there, and I had to do some research to
do that, and you know, got to thinking about the movie in seventy
three and some weird things that had happened to me, and I decided that,
well, I'm I'm really wanting to explore this bitfoot thing. So I
started going to meetings of the gcb R O and I got invited to go
to a couple of picnic things that they would have out in Monster Central,
and you know, really fascinated by the whole thing. I've had one encounter
myself that I'm convinced it was a southern Sasquatch, and then another one that
I really don't know what I was seeing. But the one that I saw
that in Louisiana ran across a little cutthrough road going back to like rounding in
the wood, surrounding with the edge of a cornfield, and getting deeper and
deeper down into Monster Central, and I saw it run across the road.
I didn't tell anybody what I saw because it didn't fit what I was hearing
from people about this creature. I had seen an image of as muston Villas.
Musson had drawn it of a sasquatch and all four and it was basically
been at the waist, long legs, long arms, and it was walking
almost like a dog would walk or something like that. But what I saw
was very great, flat to the ground, and ran across that cutthrough,
and I thought, I wasn't sure what I saw, and so I didn't
tell anybody because I was like, that doesn't fit what we're supposed to be
out here looking for. We're supposed to be looking for a big foot,
you know, the across the sasquatch and this thing, the way that it
moved across the ground was impossible for me to to figure out how it was
doing it. And if you want me to, I'll go into that.
But anyway, i'd seen that. I saw a down around south Mississippi.
I lived in Mississippi at the time and around the Beaumont area and in Desota
National Forest. There was a group of us that gathered sometimes thirty forty fifty
people. And this is before all the TV shows and stuff. We were
just kind of as a community down there. People were coming together to listen
into the woods because we were people were reporting seeing and seeing them and hearing
them how and so we would all just started. It started as just a
few people and it grew to like thirty forty folks. But I had got
there early one day and had a digital camera in my hand. This isn't
important, And I got out of the car and I stood beside my car
looking into the woods. Understand that how visually showed this. Desoda National Force
was on this side of the road, and Camp Shelby is on the other
side of the roads. This whole road running down through the woods. You
turn around, you look one way, you're looking at Desoda National Forest.
You turn around, you look at the other way. You're looking into this,
I mean into Camp Shelby. So I was standing there and when I
got out of the car and looking into the area towards Camp shelby in the
forest there, and there's a kind of an opening there, but there was
something with like a head and shoulders, and my mind, immediately, I'm
kind of a skeptic myself, but my minding me he at least, said,
paradolia, You're just seeing a collection of leaves and shadows and all that
kind of looks like a head and shoulders. And I was actually just kind
of laughing to myself about, g you know, that looks like there's a
big foot there, but I didn't think it actually was. So I turned
around, I turned to the right, I turned behind me, and I
turned back and I turned to face towards the base and it was gone.
The shape was gone. And I thought to myself, well, maybe it's
just a collection of shadows and things like that. So I'm like shifting over
here trying to get it to sort of reform that paradolia. And it didn't
do it. And I walked around the car directly in front of it and
walked straight into the woods to stand where whatever it was was standing. And
it was actually a kind of a clearing of hollowed out area there in the
woods, and the ground was depressed, the straw on the ground. There
was no footprints, but you you just see where something heavy it stood there.
And I was like, wow, maybe there really was something here or
somebody here. And so I turned around and looked to see what my car
would look like from its vantage point, and you could clearly see me and
and I'm looking at my digital camera. If I had just thought to take
a picture of it, then I could take another picture when it wasn't there,
and I could compare the two. But I didn't do it. I
had the camera in my hand, I didn't take a picture. I wish
I could say that was an uncommon event, that's more common than any you
know. What's what's more, you don't What's more amazing to me, Jay,
is that in your mind the first thing that comes to mind, I'm
just seeing things. This is a mirrage. I don't know if if you
had that sighting today, as experienced as you are now with all this,
would you have the same thought process or would you build Maybe? But at
the time, I mean I should have took a picture. I wish I
had, but I was. I guess it's my own skeptical mind. You
know, we always looked for a plausible reason first, and then whatever's left
over, that's got to be what it is. And so anyhow, I
walked out of the wood and one of the first of the people to show
up showed up, and I told him what I had seen. I said,
don't report it as a bigfoot sighting because I don't know what I saw.
And I started thinking about it. I'm facing the area of Camp Shelby
Dasoda National Forest behind it, and my skeptical mind searching for something that might
explain what I saw. I thought, well, what if it was a
guy in a Gillie stick and he's a sniper, and he's training at Camp
Shelby, the base, and he had come to the literally the very edge
of the base, so it would be harder for someone to find him.
I pull up at a car and get out and start looking at him.
I wonder if he thought, maybe I've been spotted, you know, they
found me. But I never said anything, never did anything. I just
looked in that area and then I started looking around the other ways and maybe
he left. So in my you know, trying to think of something that
might explain it, I thought, well, it could have been a guy
to Gillisi, but to this day. I don't say it was a big
foot. I don't know what it was. All I know is that I
saw this shape in the woods that was in thirty seconds of being able to
turn around, it was gone. And so that's that one. But now
the one that I saw in Louisiana, I'm now convinced that that's what that
was. That was a sasquatch and it was very low to the ground and
it ran across a cut through, was there. Yeah, I was gonna
say, going back to the Louisiana in counter, could you tell us like
a little more detail, like what time of year happened, Was it at
night? And particularly how it crossed the road? You said it went flat
And there's a couple of questions I may have about that. Okay. We
were in the back of a pickup truck. It was me and Rick Tullis.
I never even told this Rick Tullis, but I was talking to him.
We're sitting on the tailgate and the truck's going down through the woods and
we were making it turn to go like deeper into the woods. We're sitting
there, we're talking to each other, and I looked over his shoulder as
he was talking, and this thing ran if you can imagine straights this way,
it was kind of this angle. It ran across the road at an
angle. To describe it, this is something I have played over and over
in my mind trying to understand. It was very flat to the ground,
like it's belly couldn't have been more than an answer or two off the ground.
It put it foot feet forward, and it would put its hands down
and pull like that. Now, it's back legs were not up in any
way. The knees were bent and the feet were flat on the ground.
This thing is squatted all the way down to the ground and its feet are
flat on the ground. Paus were flat, and it pulled itself and then
was kind of pushing with the back legs. Now, the thing about that
is if you look at your foot or your hand, you cannot bend the
top of your hand and turn. You can't do that. Humans cannot do
this. You can't do it your foot either. This thing did this thing.
When it put its back legs down and bent forward, the top of
the toes and the top of the foot touched the bottom of the shin or
the knee, and it pushed that way. The hands did this thing when
it came back this far, its hands were always flat on the ground,
and it's scowed it very quickly across that cut through area and into the woods.
That's creepy as hell. I know. Human beings cannot do that.
And though can't do that that I know of, Sean, have we not
heard of the fact of these things do what we quote the spider crawl?
Yeah? Very The reports of the spider crawl few and far between, but
are have been reported in a very similar movement that you're just you're talking about,
Jay Matt. I think you know that's probably if I knew where you
were going, probably along the lines of questions you were going to ask next
because of because I go ahead, yeah, go ahead to ask the question.
Well, the one the one thing is is when you see set that
the hands and the and the feet had that it had that ability to go
all the way back. It was it splayed out in other words, where
the uh where the feet in the in the hands very far out from the
body or was it was very tight against the body when it did Okay,
So when it was there, yeah, moving like this, the back was
perfectly flat, Okay, the head was rounded but it's like that, you
know, because it is up rounded, no snout, rounded like head,
flat back, no tail. I was no, it wasn't a panther.
And it ran like you know, it was like going okay. Thing it
was also was it was either wet or oily skin because there was a full
moon that night, and it glistened as it ran across there. You could
just see the light reflecting off of it that it was like jet black but
had a glisten to it. And it was enough light that I could see
what its feet and all we're doing, and it just it guarded very quickly
when it went across there was there anything else you can you said about the
head being more of like a round shape, no snout. Did you get
to see the face because it was at a slight angle, but I didn't
get to look like directly into the face. Yeah, And I think it's
as I recall it, its face kind of wobbled a little too as it
was going okay. Now, I didn't get a clear look, but I
did know that there was no snout okay, and it was a roundish head
rather than like you know, a panther or something. It would have happened,
no visible here or so I could see. How about size? Uh,
do you think that this was something that was uh, you know,
six or some feet tall, bigger, smaller. I think that if it
stood up, it was at least six foot tall. Okay, man,
it was big. It was shoulders, but it like this, you know,
it was running yea on a small back. You know, you could
tell the back was small, but their chest obviously must have been bigger.
But again, it's it's down like this. If it stood up, it
probably would have looked bigger and whiter and even store you know, but it
was ba like that, and I wouldn't. I didn't say anything about it
and talk about it with anybody. I thought, well, I don't know
what you saw, but you didn't see a big foot. Big foot's don't
do that. And I was afraid that, you know, people might laugh
at me everywhere. I don't know what you saw, you know, I
think we're out here. Look. Yeah. So years later, trying to
think of his name, Michael Humphrey, we were at another event, a
meeting kind of thing, and he told a story of what he saw and
it was identical, okay, only the different was the one he saw was
coming straightforward him, realized he was there, freaked out for a second,
and then turned and scoot it off to get away. And once I heard
that, to me, that was validation. Okay, now somebody else has
seen what I saw, and this part of what people see. So now
I'll talk. And you didn't put it out there. No people would think
he's just trying to come up with a story or something, you know,
or no, that's not what we're out here looking for. We're looking for
big foot, you know. Well, and that's interesting. That's interesting.
And when we come back from the break real quick, we'll jump right back
into this. H Jay Folks, Sean Forker, Henry made, James Baker,
Vance has been mad Mar Arner, and tonight's guest Jay Michael Long.
We'll be right back after this brief message, well sort of brief, but
we'll see. On the flip side team, I'll sit it is the big
quick bullhorn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. I hope you're all having a wonderful
Monday night. As we were chit chatting about the Mothman Festival, a point
Pleasant, West Virginia, asked James Baker about desert dry triangles with a hint
of apple flavors sprinkled with sugar. It was all part of a breakfast on
our depart out of Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Actually to be technical Gallipolish
or Gallapolis or Gallipolis. There are several ways that people pronounce that. But
nonetheless, enough of my ramblings. Let's get on with an unusual news story
out of Florida. No, it's not a Florida man's story, but a
Florida authority had killed an alligator that was seen with human remains in its mouth.
Say what now, No, that's never happened before. A large alligator
was killed by officials after it was seen with human remains in its mouth in
the Tampa Bay area of Florida. JaMarcus Bullard said he witnessed the horrific scene
in a canal and unincorporated Largo before reporting the sighting to authorities on Friday.
When the scene turned gruesome, Bullard hit his record button on his phone.
Well, of course he did. The thirteen foot eight and a half inch
mail alligator was humanely killed. Sure, you violently kill a person, but
you get to be humanely killed and removed from the water with assistance from Florida
Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. The Sheriff's office had identified the deceased person as
forty one year old Sabrina Peckham. The manner and cause of death is pending
an investigation and is on officials said. My guess is she died by,
Oh, I don't know, an alligator. It's not yet known whether the
alligator killed Peckham, but recent high profile alligator attacks on humans have left some
Floridians on edge. In February, an alligator killed an eighty five year old
woman in Fort Pierce while she was trying to save her dog, and then
two weeks later, a man survived a bite after opening his front door to
a gator. Note to sell, don't open your front door if they're an
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is an up and coming event on Saturday, October forteenth if you want to
make your travels to Tennessee to the Tennessee Wildman and Cryptid Con. The address
for this event is one zero two zero Jackson Hill Road in Burns, Tennessee.
Here's a little bit of the history across the volunteer state. A myriad
of local and regional names stand for bigfoot like creatures, scene and encountered just
outside local townships and communities. From the Flintville Monster to the White Screamer of
White Bluff, to Old Green Eyes of Lookout Mountain and the Screaming Jacks of
the Cumberland Plateau. Reports of a hairy wildman have remained constant across the ages.
This year's special speaker at the Tennessee Wild man and cryptocon is Ronald Moorehead,
or well known to us as Ron Moorehead, who was the author of
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in price from twenty dollars to five hundred dollars, and I think for five
hundred dollars you'll probably get to sleep and at tent with Ron Moorehead with an
audio recording device of some sort. I don't know, I'm just made that
part up. Thanks for listening to this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively on
the Sasquatch Experience, and as always, remember keep your toes in the mud.
Thanks Vance for the news segment there and your fantasy role playing of an
evening with Ron Moorehead. That's a great way to close that out. Yeah.
Thanks folks, Sasquatch Experience the Monday night show you've all been waiting for,
and we don't know why you do, but we're glad you're here.
Of course. Sean Forker, James Baker, Henry May, Matt Arner,
Vance has bitten tonight's guest Jay Michael long Jay. Before we took a break,
you were talking to us about your bigfoot sightings plural. We were going
back to the Louisiana siding and that strange crawl, and just briefly we were
talking about the you know, you had expectations of what bigfoot was in the
South and then you see something that's completely different than what you expected exactly,
and that's not unusual for this that part of this country, as we come
to know, right and as your research, I'm sure you've found out.
Well, yeah, later on, you know, there was another person on
one of the forums on Facebook that described the exact same thing, and he's
from Texas over here. And so later as I began to search for more
stories about how they walk at all fours, the image I had in my
mind was at that time billis Musan had drawn in a painting of a sasquatch
and it was it was standing. It was like you've been at the waist
like this, and the legs were long and the pall the arms were long,
and it was walking like say a dog would. In my mind,
that's what I thought a a bigfoot on all fours looked like. And this
is what was accepted apparently, is that's what they looked like. So when
it was that load of the ground and its knees, we were been up
to its sides and his arms doing the push pull thing and his legs doing
the push thing. I was like that that didn't fit, you know,
And so I was afraid to say anything about it. I thought people would
look at me like you are crazy, you know, And I didn't want
to be thought of as crazy, so I didn't say anything about it.
I didn't until Michael had another event. Humphrey I think it was his name,
I don't know. Anyway, he described the same thing, only he
described it coming towards it noticed him. Both of them sort of flipped out
for a second, and then it darted off. But he described that same
motion. And you called it a spider walk. I've never heard that term.
So tell me what a spider walk is. Well, I don't mean
to interrupt. That only came to me. That only came to me from
West West Skirmer and his experience, and he referred to it as a spider
walk. And when it did that, it used its fingers to prop its
hands off the ground and to propel itself forward, and he referred to it
as a spider walk. And from there on end. I just that's how
I coined that phrase as a spider walk, but not that that's actually a
thing. But I don't know if he saw it actually used its fingers to
help propel, or if it was just the hands itself with the fingers,
you know, sprayed and I don't know. It's just kind of crazy and
creepy. Yeah, this was creepy enough, but its hands were flat on
the ground. I never noticed the thing that came up. We had gone
back, we probably would have gotten very good handprints and the back feet prints
because they were flat the whole time. But you know, I didn't say
anything, you know, Matt, Was it Sibylla who did the kind of
the artists rendition of that? I believe so, yes, And that's why
you asked, yeah, And that's why I asked whether it was the hands
were in or if they were wide out. One of the renditions that that
we've seen from and heard from from witnesses is, uh, the arms will
be out wide and the legs will actually splay out as well, allowing the
body then to to be close to the ground and having the there'll be coordination
between the between the hands and the feet uh, you know, like you
would with it like a dog, but yet it's so down to the ground
almost like it's doing a push up with supper body. But then the lower
body as well is almost in a similar position. And again you're talking about
an animal which may have a different hip structure than we do. Uh,
so it would be it would be out is similar to the top half like
a push up and just going back and forth like that, which is pretty
dark scary if you if you ask think about the the month structure in order
to do that. That's a balls of my mind. Uh wow. Then,
but even thinking for for how jay is is talking about the movement there,
I could see I can see something, you know, doing that,
particularly if it if it is trying to remain low profile, doesn't want to
be seen, you know, especially now it has to cross the road.
But if it's going through brush, if it's going through uh something like that,
and uh, you know, I could definitely see there's something going through
like that. You know. If you if you can imagine your elbows are
it's like this, and you're straight with your body, and now imagine your
legs are the same way. Yeah, all the way up to your side.
They're not you know, splayed out like that. They're their arm and
your knee are passing each other as you're doing this yep, and almost kind
of like it's version of a military crawl away. Yeah, it was like
you move, you move like a dog where the paws are kind of like
this, and then let's locked the elbows and then you're Yeah, but then
front hand when it pulled all the way back the arm. It's hard to
do it because humans can't do it. Imagine from your elbow to here went
all the way over. So okay, the top of your fingers are touching,
yeah, you're arm, and then the legs, the back foot as
it pushed away, the top of the foot can touch your ship. Yeah.
Like if you've ever watched the movie The Ring or The Grudge, some
of the old Japanese horrors, that's how they walk to kind of make the
creature look more supernatural. So if you want to like a video reference,
go ahead and watch that movie. It'll give you an idea what he's something
like that. Yeah, it's just creepy. I mean, it's hard to
describe it. It's creepy that it's because you just knew that moment when when
you see that hand do that, You're like, people can't I'm leaving the
middle, gone right and done. Yep. Wow, I'm gonna try to
upload a photo of this for Jay real quick, just so we can show
you know exactly what it is that we're really let me just present anything like
that. You know that the way it moved like it would make more sense
if it did kind of do this, you know, crawling on the ground,
but it didn't do that. It was okay, see how I look
very day Yeah, that very top picture. You see how the arms and
legs are are extended out, the legs all the way up next to the
body. Okay, it did not look like it looked like it was trying
to be thin. You know. It's like, oh, I'm gonna like
almost like it trying to fit through a hole or something. You know,
well, if it's got to move their brush and wouldn't make sense, right,
Yeah, trying to be low key. But you see the distance from
it in that first drawing, the distance from it to the ground. Narrow
it down, narrow it down some because it was it might have even dragged
its belly, but it was very very loud yep, I would never sleep
again. On one thing that I'm thinking about and just from Jay from from
uh uh you know, your observations and from what I know too about wildlife,
is it could have been actually a feeding behavior as well. Uh.
Maybe it's it's doing that. It's collecting groups, it's collecting uh you know,
something on the on the forest floor or something along the swamp floor,
uh, for food. And maybe it's just so used to to to being
that way and having you know, the hands and the feet you know as
uh, you know, movable as they are, especially with the feet compared
to ours, probably makes it very efficient for you know, for basically scavenging
off the off the forest floor. Yeah, I thought it could be.
But I think that my my just thoughts of it is we had just come
through there with on that truck. Yeah, trucks barreling down, and we
come around that corner. We're both in the in the back, so we're
looking behind the vehicle okay forward like everybody else. We're on the on the
tailgate, and it just came around that corner and as we came around that
corner, it darted across. Okay, like oh my gosh, I'm getting
out of here. There's people here. Yeah, yeah, it was my
thought. Ye, Henry, Yeah, You've you've known Jay a long time.
What do you think about these sightings? This is amazing. I mean
I've I've heard and read about supposed sasquatch, probably on all fours, but
this is very interesting. Never heard did love emotion of It's strange? Yeah,
yeah, it was strange. Yeah. I think that's funny. We've
known Jay for so long, but we don't recall the particulars of that sighting,
and the the atatomical sense of this is just mind boggling. Like I've
not heard of that particular splaying, and I've heard of the spider crawl,
just like if we showed you, I wasn't familiar with when Vans was talking
about really either. I've just heard it from that that photograph that I've showed
you there. I've seen that several times. You know how they move,
you know, getting from point A to point B through the terrain they have
to cross. Uh, you know, it makes sense that they would have
some sort of adapted way of moving to go on detective. It's not always
going to be this flash across the you know, across in front of uther.
I'm sure they found ways to evade. The other thing that I think
is interesting, Jay, is that you know, you thought it could have
been a man in a gilly suit, But how the hell would you validate
that. It's not like you could go to the camp and ask right right,
exactly, that's the other siding, that's not this one. Yeah,
but you just showed me that picture, So now my mind is absorbing that
and thinking maybe if it was in that sort of spider thing and a truck
goes by and it's like scared, it just come backed in quickly started,
you know, yep, and then maybe once it gotten the woods on the
other side, it might spread back out again. But this was a moving,
real close shoot across the cut through and then figure out what that truck's
doing. But would it not seem to anybody that if a creature were to
do that type of a quote unquote spider crawl, you'd be burning a lot
more calories, which you may not have that much to afford to do that.
It seems like it would take a lot of energy to do that,
and you might get to a point where you're out of sight and then come
back to a bipedal position. Again, I don't know. That whole thing
is just creeps me out. But we're the only we're the only species that
counts calories. Okay, bigot girl, Jenny Craig in the moment, he's
not sitting there thinking, oh, I wonder if I have Yeah, maybe
not, but it still has hunger, tennessees it doesn't not so so put
yourself in a position die or survive another ten minutes, right right? Absolutely,
yeah, no, you're right. That's a good point. I wonder
if this motion is something that they only do, like for a short burst,
and then they stand back up again, or maybe be brought down first
and stand back up fighter. And I got my mind around that. It's
like, well maybe they're like then they come are they stand up later?
I've heard I'm saying they were on all tours and they stood up and walked
away, you know. And well, let me tell you if this is
the common form of low emotion for sasquatch. I'm moving to the pro gilt
category very quick, okay, because I'm done. I'm empty in that.
But yeah, I have always said, I've always said, if you're going
to if you want to prove the existence of sasquatch. Go get a sasquatch?
Yeah, one, or whether you can capture one, a lie one,
whatever, you know, if you were doing the suit. Sorry,
So, Jay, you've been you've been down the road now while you've had
your own sightings, You've talked to a bunch of people, you've produced documentaries.
What's your take? You know, we try not to beat the Paterson
Demman film to death here because it's been talked about ad nauseum for you know,
as long as the video has been around. But to you, you
know what, what's your take on Bigfoot? Is it real? I mean,
you know what you've seen, but what else aside from your sighting says
hey, this is a legitimate, legitimate creature. Well, my sighting,
the things that I've seen, to me, I know there's something out there.
I just don't know what it is. My personal idea on Bigfoot is
you know, some people say, well, it's an offshoot of humans or
it's an offshoot of apes, and I don't think that it's either. I
think it's its own thing. I don't think that it came off the evolutionary
tree from humans or it came off the evolutionary tree as a branch off of
apes. It's not an ringut, and it's not a big it's not a
gorilla. It's not a chimpanzee or a binobo. And I don't think that
it's human either. I think it is its own thing. It's you have
the human branch, you have the ape branch, and it's somewhere in between,
and it is its own thing. It has its own evolutionary patterns or
whatever. Gigantopithecus Blackie might be an offshoot of it from years and years ago.
But I don't think that it's human. I don't think that it's eight.
I think it is its own thing. Do you think it's just human
nature to try to assign it to something closer to us. Yes, that
we want it to be that, So that's what we pointed to. We
want to try to explain it or we want it to be like us,
so we you know, it's a gentle giant, it leaves, it lives
in the woods and it wants to be left alone. Or we're like,
you know, it's an aggressive creature or something like that, or it's supernatural
or it's alien. The thing is is that if it were human. We
humans have a lot of baggage, especially emotions. If it is human,
where are the sasquats wars? Where's the need to explore? Why hasn't one
just walked out of the woods and walked in the middle of town when hey,
I want to see what all this is and and been photographed scene or
even walk up to somebody, you know, Where's the anger? Where is
the lust? The greed, the vanity, the attachment? These are all
human emotions. They're all negative emotions. People tend to subscribe the good emotions,
the good things they're they're little gentle giants. They want to be left
alone. They live in the woods, and they're good. We're good,
little free creatures. No, there's probably some negative to that too, But
but so, I mean, if it's human, it would have the same
emotions we have, and we don't see any any sign of that. If
it's primate, it would be far more vicious, you know, because the
animals, hey, don't rip you apart. Gorilla can take a part,
you know, and orangutan ked too, and a big enough chimpanzee will beat
you to dad. Well, it's not in their behavior, so they're not
human and they're not typical animal in my opinion. I don't know if I
have any more to sum that up. That was pretty spot on that yeah,
yeah, yeah, like you don't think of it in those terms.
You know. It's the frustrating thing with me that it's been there for,
you know, for a while, is that, you know, we have
this incessant need as of people to anthropomorphicize things and make them like us.
And there's so much of this that says this isn't human. And you know,
when you were saying where's the lust? I had to point up this
book I got in the mail from a listener called The Sensual Sasquatch, which
is not in the same category, has come for bigfoot folks. It is
a legitimate book that documents sas squads, you know, coupling, and it's
been actually a fascinating read. So if you get a chance to pick it
up, I'm going to have the writer on the show here at some point,
the Central Sasquad. It is worth the read. I thought it would
be a little blushing Letters to Penthouse esque, it's not. It's actually a
pretty decent read. So for just because Jay happened to say where's the loss?
It's in that book. They do get it on quite a bit.
But Jay, it's we're almost out of time again, and I feel like
we just scratched the surface of of of you and what we've done. But
somebody that's been in this field as long as the rest of us, probably
twenty years or so, you've seen a lot. You've been through a lot.
We've been through the Bluff Creek massacres, we've been through the Bigfoot hoaxes,
right, And we definitely have to have you on for a part two
to talk about some of those things because I think now more than ever,
folks have to understand those controversies happen for a reason and we can't go back
to them. Yeah, I had big Foot in the Freezer's my favorite that
But you know, you know, Jay, what I've come to understand as
people entering this community in the last couple of years just don't respect the history,
and they don't go back and read it, and they don't go back
and look at these mistakes and follies, so we don't go through them again.
And that's why it's nice to have folks like you and Henry and around
so we can talk about those things. Even though people that listen to this,
we might get a new listener who said, oh, I've never heard
that before, But there's a reason we don't want you to hear about it,
but we want you to hear about it. We want to give you
this story. So I'd like to get you back at some point Jay to
talk about that. But go ahead and plug some things you got out there
now. I know your documentaries were still out there on too. Me well.
I was also a witness to the Pasca Goal of UFO where Charles Hickson
and Calvin Parker were abducted, and I have a DVD out now that tells
the story from all of us who saw something that night, as well as
Kelvin, and he recently passed away, so we will not get any more
information from him, unfortunately. But there's a new book out and I'm in
it, and there's my film that you can see in a new documentary that
I'm also a part of that being produced in the UK, will be coming
out later on this year or the beginning of next year, so there's lots
of information on that. Also. As far as Bigfoot, I haven't done
one in a long time, but Sasquatch Hunters is out there and it's when
I did a while back, and you might enjoyed seeing that one as well.
I did, you do put out some great documentaries, man. Something
I was going to just throw in here. Last week in one of the
local forums here in Texas, somebody reported a bigfoot siding because they had the
thing where the police had written down that the individual said that he thought he
saw bigfoot and it was reported and it got out there and it was on
one of these others services, you know, like Facebook or whatever, and
I just thought, well, that's interesting. We just have one last week
here in Texas. Yeah, you know, well, you know Texas is
a hotspot for bigfoot activity, right, the lone Star state has its own
especially things. Yeah, so, Jay, thanks so much for coming on
with us. We're out of time. Where can folks find out more about
you? You can go to my Facebook group just look up Jay Michael.
I'm Jay Michael Underscore Official on Instagram. Those are the two best places because
I posted pretty much anything that's going on and posted about this, so if
you want to know anything about me. Also, my Instagram, I have
a link tree on it and my profile you can click on that and there
is a whole litity of things you can see, watch movies, stuff like
that that you can go that I made very cool, tons of stuff,
tons of things. Can't mention all of them here. Well, we'll get
you. We'll get you on again so we can talk more about them.
We love guy and talk more. Yep, excellent guys. That hour went
by quick. In fact, I think it goes by two quick times.
Again. We're making the migration here to a permanent will more permanent home for
anomalous entertainment sasquatch experienced studio. I've been working on that as much as I
can between my real job and my real life, so we'll have an actual
studio space to bring you some more great productions. I've got a couple more
irons in the fire, guys, some great stuff's coming along. We just
asked you to be patient and truck along with us. Matt and I have
been out in the woods. Matt's been really getting out there. We hope
to bring you some good stuff, and I know the guys have been working
on their projects. So again, stay tuned. We appreciate your patience.
We appreciate you, the listener, because without you, we'd just be some
guys walking around in the woods looking for Bigfoot with no reason to continue doing
this. So guys, thank you Han Henry give him those beautiful closing words.
Yeah, I'll be good or be good at it. Keep on squatching.
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