WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:06.599 Is. Of course, we are alive right now. And let's take the 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:11.359 views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect the 3 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:16.039 opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As 4 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:22.640 always, listener discretion is advised on what are your putting? We got someone 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:32.560 or something crawling around out here? Does a legend walk among us working in 6 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:39.759 the forests of our world? Did you see what it was? Well? 7 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.000 Did a person or an animal? Or I can't go all that knowledge that 8 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.159 my dner light came on and I get happened a glimp and see this thing 9 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.000 running across the yard, a good side man or something. It looked like 10 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:58.200 a man. I don't know what it was. For over fifteen years we've 11 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.960 talked with scientists, searchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insult and 12 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:15.120 proof around the existence of this mysterious entity. S here, Hello, get 13 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.000 somebody out of here? What's going? Announces their thought able pictures about sixty 14 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.280 foot All right, I don't know easy, announce their yes, I'm booking 15 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.079 right out. Oh okay? On is right? Is he your yard? 16 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.000 Sir? Yeah, go out your picture. Okay, what do you do 17 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:40.400 in your yard? What can I bring you? Join us as we continue 18 00:01:40.519 --> 00:02:07.599 into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone, Welcome to 19 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.560 the Sasquatch Experience. One day, September twenty five, twenty twenty three. 20 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.520 Guys, it's been a while since we've been on the air, but we're 21 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:19.759 back. It's been a couple of weeks. We've got a lot going on. 22 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.080 We've been from here to West Virginia and back. We've been to the 23 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:28.280 Mothman Festival. Some of us were abducted and impersonated by the Men in Black. 24 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:34.400 What an exciting weekend, a couple of weeks we've had just being with 25 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.960 our friends out in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, Vance Bike. It was 26 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.759 good to be with you, guys. Henry Matt you were missed, and 27 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:45.960 of course our special yesternight, Jay Michael. Will get him in here in 28 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.599 just a second. But guys, just some quick thoughts on moth Man. 29 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:57.159 I'd love to hear what you were thinking. I had an amazing time for 30 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.919 a plethora of different reasons. However, it was my first time to go 31 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:09.159 to the T and T area, and I just absorbed everything and I don't 32 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:15.479 know, I just became part of the environment there to understand what happened back 33 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.879 in nineteen sixty seven out of that area. So it was a privilege. 34 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:25.439 And to hang out with you guys and have breakfast that was just the cap 35 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:30.560 and the icing on the cake. It was great. We only got one 36 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.680 meal together. We were there for the whole weekend. We had some island 37 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:38.800 noodles, was the last sunder. The island noodles were yeah, fantastic. 38 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:46.039 Yeah, but it was a good time. The weather was perfect aside from 39 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.360 Sunday morning. The weather was perfect for the entire weekend. No, it 40 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:54.960 wasn't. It didn't rain during the whole during the haywarde Oh yeah, so 41 00:03:55.039 --> 00:04:02.199 a wait, because we were out there on foot hecky the Hey Ride goers 42 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.680 as the men in Black. It was a lot of fun. We really 43 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.479 did have a lot of fun. By the way, guys, that was 44 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:14.879 six to eight Hey rides an hour for six hours. We were original material, 45 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:20.439 all improv I mean, kudos Debake and Jeff Thomas and myself. I'm 46 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.959 giving myself a pat on the back for that. It's hard enough doing that 47 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:30.519 in real suits. By the way, and I wore dress shoes. I 48 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.839 really committed to the part. No, this was completely authentic. It was 49 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:43.639 very authentic. Yes, Jay, I wore actual dress shoes. And I 50 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.600 guess sometimes I forget I'm a sizeable fellow because I didn't manage to jump on 51 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:51.279 one of the trailers and heckled the goers. And then as I got up 52 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.439 there, I'm like, well, shit, at some point I have to 53 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.759 get down and this isn't going to stop. So to quote John Pinett, 54 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.519 but he's a law I should obey. I learned the hard way. I 55 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:09.000 did dismount, but I did do a little. It's okay. No one 56 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:15.439 was hurt seismically or physically. Point pleasant was not a victim of my calamity. 57 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.439 But it was a great weekend. But Bake or any take go ahead, 58 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:24.160 Jake. They're probably casting your footprints where you jumped. Right now. 59 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:30.000 I'm wondering what was so ahead that made this. Yeah, they're gonna be 60 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:40.639 h They're gonna be more circular than footprint shaped, you know as money bill 61 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.000 rigby high bill. Go ahead, Bay. I really enjoy the festival every 62 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.480 year because it's it's the one festival that I go to that there are no 63 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:54.040 real experts compared to like maybe Walmsley and a few other ones, but they're 64 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:59.600 not. It's not like when you go to some of these like big Foot 65 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.519 Festival, there's always like I've got better evidence or I've got whatever. Like 66 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:09.160 the Mothman is just a mixture of all kinds of weirdness and everybody's just like 67 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.360 waiting in line for noodles. Yeah, I know, and everybody's happy. 68 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.759 You know, there's no even the speakers aren't like trying to work, you 69 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.079 know, like they're like, hey, this is what we know about this, 70 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.639 or they'll talk about South And I always love that Star Wars crowd is 71 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:29.879 there, and the Ghostbusters are there, Mountain Monsters was there, so miss 72 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.519 Trapper moth Boys, right, moth Boys were there. I can't remember his 73 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:41.360 name, but he's the guy who always dressed like he's like a forest ranger. 74 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:48.120 Tin. Okay, I'm gonna go on mute because you know train, 75 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:57.040 you're the train to come. That's okay. It only goes through his laundry 76 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:06.079 room. It's not a big deal. No, did we mute everybody or 77 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:12.639 just happened? No? No, I don't think so. But Henry, 78 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:18.240 you were missed at Mothman. That would have been a complete puzzled piece to 79 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:23.079 have had you there too. But it'll happen one day, I know it 80 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:32.079 will. Yeah, hopefully crossing my fingers, Yeah, cross bowl fingers. 81 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:42.279 Why not anyway, Wow, what a gap? Well what happened here? 82 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:48.439 There's a gap there, There's a huge gap. But nonetheless, to wrap 83 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:53.480 up, you know, the whole moth Man thing, it was a privilege 84 00:07:53.519 --> 00:08:01.800 to hang out with plethora of friends there that are researchers, and you know, 85 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:07.360 they dive into all the aspects of the cryptid world, not just Bigfoot, 86 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.199 but they do dive into all of it, and they have a very 87 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:20.480 intellect opinion on everything that's about all these subjects altogether. And that's one thing 88 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:26.079 about Mothman. It's just not focused solely on Mothman. It's all the cryptids 89 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:33.120 that are within the region that are focused on. So you have people from 90 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.879 all different genres and yeah, it's kind of turning into a little bit more 91 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:43.399 of a cause play festival, but I think at heart it's still the Mothman 92 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:50.080 Festival. So I would try to wrap it up at that and you know, 93 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.799 we'll get into our whole bigfoot thing, because you know, after all, 94 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:00.000 that's why we're here. We're talking about the eighteen inch footprints that are 95 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.279 found and the research that continues. And you know, if anybody wants to 96 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:13.000 add to that, please jump in at any moment and and tell us what 97 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:20.200 what has been discovered within recent days. Well, I was going to say 98 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.519 one it probably one of the biggest things I came up since the last time 99 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:31.720 we met, was the discovery of the uh the mine at Ape Canyon. 100 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:39.879 Oh yes, uh so I heard. You know, I think Cliff Rockman 101 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.879 was down there. There was a few others I guess are they're actually descendants 102 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:52.919 of the miners that that had the that had the cabin at Ape Canyon, 103 00:09:52.600 --> 00:10:01.120 and uh it was I believe a great grandson had. Actually you went down 104 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.919 and actually discovered where the mine was, Henry, do you know anything more 105 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:15.360 about that? Or Wow? I know that Mark Mark Moisselle has been diligently 106 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:22.039 researching the Ape Canyon story and where the location of the cabin was, and 107 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:31.720 he's pretty sure he found it. So and it's an amazing story. If 108 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.919 if you read his little book with about Ape Canyon, it's really well, 109 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:41.519 really well written, really well done. Yeah, definitely. And so I 110 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.080 mean they were saying that there was there's possibly in this mine shaft, which 111 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.840 is a little dangerous to get to, uh and to go inside. Just 112 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:56.320 getting there in itself is life threatening. But once you do get inside that 113 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:03.759 there are supposed to be actually tools that the players left behind on their way 114 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.440 up and uh so that would definitely be interesting for people to check out. 115 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:16.080 So that was definitely definitely big, big news over the over the last couple 116 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.320 of weeks since we've been on Oh well, I would say, and not 117 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.879 only big news, but that's huge news because that that puts nails into the 118 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.960 into the coffin of the entire story. Yeah. Wow, because without that 119 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:39.679 discovery of the mind, because that's why they were there. Wow that I 120 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.480 haven't heard this until now, So now I'm completely enthralled in that whole and 121 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.320 that whole thing. Holy cow. Wow, I can't even inform words right 122 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.759 now. That's great. After they after they were throwing the rocks the sasquatch 123 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.279 onto the cabin, they abandoned and left it. Yes, oh yes, 124 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.960 any tools left in there with literally the tools they were using that day, 125 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.679 yes, yes, And I know that they did find the campsite itself that 126 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.960 was that was a couple of years ago, and but they're still in the 127 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.600 process. They have original beams, uh from the cabinet itself, they have 128 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.039 uh you know, but I guess there's so much debris because it's so close 129 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.919 to Mount Saint Helen's, so there's uh, there's been debris that that's really 130 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:39.600 changed that landscape over over the last was forty years since uh, since that 131 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.639 occurred, you know, since the Mount Saint Helen's occurred. But uh, 132 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:50.600 there's still the possibility, yeah, absolutely that that they'll find a lot of 133 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.240 relics in there. And again they're stuff like that back in that day. 134 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.840 That was not cheap for those guys to It's not like they had Walmart and 135 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.879 they can they can run down and get picks and shovels. Stay they put 136 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.360 their life savings into in defining uh you know, getting these materials to go 137 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.080 out there. So so it's for them to leave that there, it really 138 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:22.840 adds credence to the to the legend you mentioned Mountain Helen's when it blew, 139 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.799 it sort of destroyed that whole area, right, Absolutely, get into it, 140 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.919 yep, yep, absolutely so. Well listen while we have Well, 141 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:41.360 Sean's there all right, So I was king Jay. Thanks Jay, if 142 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.879 you can introduce yourself to the uh, you know, to people in the 143 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.679 audience, I mean not you know, I know who you are. Yes, 144 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.879 yeah, sure I can do that. I'm Jay Michael Long and the 145 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:03.000 J is not Ja wis J period. And I became a documentary filmmaker in 146 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.279 two thousand and eight. I've got about fifty to seventy five titles out right 147 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:13.320 now. Most of them were on UFOs and aliens and ancient aliens and conspiracy 148 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.960 theories, things like that, because my executive producer that's what he tends to 149 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:22.080 hand me to do. I've done a couple of big Foot things. I 150 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.679 started in getting interested in all of this and seventy three when two guys in 151 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:33.399 Pascagoula were abducted and I saw a UFO that same night. And I've always 152 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.440 been interested in in UFOs and things of that nature. And then, of 153 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.200 course, like most of us, in nineteen seventy three, I went to 154 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.519 the theater watch a little movie called The Legend of Bogy Creek. There you 155 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:52.240 go right here. For me, I wouldn't go in the woods for a 156 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.120 year after watching that movie because I was like terrified there was a folk monster 157 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:03.080 in there or something. And I loved the movie and been interested in Sasquats 158 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:11.879 since then. Around nineteen ninety eight, I produced a CD rom on let's 159 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:15.519 say, I did one on the ISS, but I also did one that 160 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.399 had to do with like UFOs based stuff and all like that, and I 161 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.840 figured, well, I'm going to throw a section in on sasquatch also, 162 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.200 and I put it in there, and I had to do some research to 163 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.679 do that, and you know, got to thinking about the movie in seventy 164 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.360 three and some weird things that had happened to me, and I decided that, 165 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.639 well, I'm I'm really wanting to explore this bitfoot thing. So I 166 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:46.480 started going to meetings of the gcb R O and I got invited to go 167 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.960 to a couple of picnic things that they would have out in Monster Central, 168 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.559 and you know, really fascinated by the whole thing. I've had one encounter 169 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:03.799 myself that I'm convinced it was a southern Sasquatch, and then another one that 170 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.360 I really don't know what I was seeing. But the one that I saw 171 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:14.919 that in Louisiana ran across a little cutthrough road going back to like rounding in 172 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.279 the wood, surrounding with the edge of a cornfield, and getting deeper and 173 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.440 deeper down into Monster Central, and I saw it run across the road. 174 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.720 I didn't tell anybody what I saw because it didn't fit what I was hearing 175 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:33.679 from people about this creature. I had seen an image of as muston Villas. 176 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.279 Musson had drawn it of a sasquatch and all four and it was basically 177 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:42.559 been at the waist, long legs, long arms, and it was walking 178 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:48.000 almost like a dog would walk or something like that. But what I saw 179 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:53.840 was very great, flat to the ground, and ran across that cutthrough, 180 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.720 and I thought, I wasn't sure what I saw, and so I didn't 181 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.200 tell anybody because I was like, that doesn't fit what we're supposed to be 182 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.759 out here looking for. We're supposed to be looking for a big foot, 183 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.200 you know, the across the sasquatch and this thing, the way that it 184 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:22.200 moved across the ground was impossible for me to to figure out how it was 185 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.400 doing it. And if you want me to, I'll go into that. 186 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:32.359 But anyway, i'd seen that. I saw a down around south Mississippi. 187 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.519 I lived in Mississippi at the time and around the Beaumont area and in Desota 188 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:44.319 National Forest. There was a group of us that gathered sometimes thirty forty fifty 189 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.240 people. And this is before all the TV shows and stuff. We were 190 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.799 just kind of as a community down there. People were coming together to listen 191 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.200 into the woods because we were people were reporting seeing and seeing them and hearing 192 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:02.680 them how and so we would all just started. It started as just a 193 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.440 few people and it grew to like thirty forty folks. But I had got 194 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.839 there early one day and had a digital camera in my hand. This isn't 195 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:15.079 important, And I got out of the car and I stood beside my car 196 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:21.880 looking into the woods. Understand that how visually showed this. Desoda National Force 197 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.079 was on this side of the road, and Camp Shelby is on the other 198 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:33.880 side of the roads. This whole road running down through the woods. You 199 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.720 turn around, you look one way, you're looking at Desoda National Forest. 200 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:38.960 You turn around, you look at the other way. You're looking into this, 201 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.319 I mean into Camp Shelby. So I was standing there and when I 202 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.759 got out of the car and looking into the area towards Camp shelby in the 203 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:51.240 forest there, and there's a kind of an opening there, but there was 204 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:56.599 something with like a head and shoulders, and my mind, immediately, I'm 205 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.640 kind of a skeptic myself, but my minding me he at least, said, 206 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.559 paradolia, You're just seeing a collection of leaves and shadows and all that 207 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.200 kind of looks like a head and shoulders. And I was actually just kind 208 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:11.039 of laughing to myself about, g you know, that looks like there's a 209 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.319 big foot there, but I didn't think it actually was. So I turned 210 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.119 around, I turned to the right, I turned behind me, and I 211 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:25.960 turned back and I turned to face towards the base and it was gone. 212 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.240 The shape was gone. And I thought to myself, well, maybe it's 213 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.839 just a collection of shadows and things like that. So I'm like shifting over 214 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:40.000 here trying to get it to sort of reform that paradolia. And it didn't 215 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:45.079 do it. And I walked around the car directly in front of it and 216 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.880 walked straight into the woods to stand where whatever it was was standing. And 217 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:55.119 it was actually a kind of a clearing of hollowed out area there in the 218 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.359 woods, and the ground was depressed, the straw on the ground. There 219 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.759 was no footprints, but you you just see where something heavy it stood there. 220 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:07.240 And I was like, wow, maybe there really was something here or 221 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.160 somebody here. And so I turned around and looked to see what my car 222 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.880 would look like from its vantage point, and you could clearly see me and 223 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.240 and I'm looking at my digital camera. If I had just thought to take 224 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.359 a picture of it, then I could take another picture when it wasn't there, 225 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.160 and I could compare the two. But I didn't do it. I 226 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.880 had the camera in my hand, I didn't take a picture. I wish 227 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.920 I could say that was an uncommon event, that's more common than any you 228 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:41.400 know. What's what's more, you don't What's more amazing to me, Jay, 229 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:44.680 is that in your mind the first thing that comes to mind, I'm 230 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.559 just seeing things. This is a mirrage. I don't know if if you 231 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:55.519 had that sighting today, as experienced as you are now with all this, 232 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.400 would you have the same thought process or would you build Maybe? But at 233 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.200 the time, I mean I should have took a picture. I wish I 234 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:11.559 had, but I was. I guess it's my own skeptical mind. You 235 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.319 know, we always looked for a plausible reason first, and then whatever's left 236 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:21.720 over, that's got to be what it is. And so anyhow, I 237 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.720 walked out of the wood and one of the first of the people to show 238 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.200 up showed up, and I told him what I had seen. I said, 239 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.319 don't report it as a bigfoot sighting because I don't know what I saw. 240 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.920 And I started thinking about it. I'm facing the area of Camp Shelby 241 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:44.279 Dasoda National Forest behind it, and my skeptical mind searching for something that might 242 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.480 explain what I saw. I thought, well, what if it was a 243 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:52.599 guy in a Gillie stick and he's a sniper, and he's training at Camp 244 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.680 Shelby, the base, and he had come to the literally the very edge 245 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.000 of the base, so it would be harder for someone to find him. 246 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.119 I pull up at a car and get out and start looking at him. 247 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.920 I wonder if he thought, maybe I've been spotted, you know, they 248 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.319 found me. But I never said anything, never did anything. I just 249 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.000 looked in that area and then I started looking around the other ways and maybe 250 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.319 he left. So in my you know, trying to think of something that 251 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.240 might explain it, I thought, well, it could have been a guy 252 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.000 to Gillisi, but to this day. I don't say it was a big 253 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.680 foot. I don't know what it was. All I know is that I 254 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:36.920 saw this shape in the woods that was in thirty seconds of being able to 255 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.880 turn around, it was gone. And so that's that one. But now 256 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:45.559 the one that I saw in Louisiana, I'm now convinced that that's what that 257 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.799 was. That was a sasquatch and it was very low to the ground and 258 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.920 it ran across a cut through, was there. Yeah, I was gonna 259 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:59.680 say, going back to the Louisiana in counter, could you tell us like 260 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.640 a little more detail, like what time of year happened, Was it at 261 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.960 night? And particularly how it crossed the road? You said it went flat 262 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:14.119 And there's a couple of questions I may have about that. Okay. We 263 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:15.759 were in the back of a pickup truck. It was me and Rick Tullis. 264 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.160 I never even told this Rick Tullis, but I was talking to him. 265 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.160 We're sitting on the tailgate and the truck's going down through the woods and 266 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.960 we were making it turn to go like deeper into the woods. We're sitting 267 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.519 there, we're talking to each other, and I looked over his shoulder as 268 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.759 he was talking, and this thing ran if you can imagine straights this way, 269 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.119 it was kind of this angle. It ran across the road at an 270 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:48.759 angle. To describe it, this is something I have played over and over 271 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.000 in my mind trying to understand. It was very flat to the ground, 272 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.759 like it's belly couldn't have been more than an answer or two off the ground. 273 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.720 It put it foot feet forward, and it would put its hands down 274 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:10.279 and pull like that. Now, it's back legs were not up in any 275 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:14.720 way. The knees were bent and the feet were flat on the ground. 276 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.920 This thing is squatted all the way down to the ground and its feet are 277 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:23.359 flat on the ground. Paus were flat, and it pulled itself and then 278 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:29.160 was kind of pushing with the back legs. Now, the thing about that 279 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:34.400 is if you look at your foot or your hand, you cannot bend the 280 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:38.759 top of your hand and turn. You can't do that. Humans cannot do 281 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:44.920 this. You can't do it your foot either. This thing did this thing. 282 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.799 When it put its back legs down and bent forward, the top of 283 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:55.319 the toes and the top of the foot touched the bottom of the shin or 284 00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:00.559 the knee, and it pushed that way. The hands did this thing when 285 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.680 it came back this far, its hands were always flat on the ground, 286 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:11.920 and it's scowed it very quickly across that cut through area and into the woods. 287 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.960 That's creepy as hell. I know. Human beings cannot do that. 288 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:19.839 And though can't do that that I know of, Sean, have we not 289 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:26.759 heard of the fact of these things do what we quote the spider crawl? 290 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:36.160 Yeah? Very The reports of the spider crawl few and far between, but 291 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.440 are have been reported in a very similar movement that you're just you're talking about, 292 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.039 Jay Matt. I think you know that's probably if I knew where you 293 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.079 were going, probably along the lines of questions you were going to ask next 294 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.200 because of because I go ahead, yeah, go ahead to ask the question. 295 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.799 Well, the one the one thing is is when you see set that 296 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:03.440 the hands and the and the feet had that it had that ability to go 297 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:10.359 all the way back. It was it splayed out in other words, where 298 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:17.559 the uh where the feet in the in the hands very far out from the 299 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.799 body or was it was very tight against the body when it did Okay, 300 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.640 So when it was there, yeah, moving like this, the back was 301 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.839 perfectly flat, Okay, the head was rounded but it's like that, you 302 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:36.799 know, because it is up rounded, no snout, rounded like head, 303 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:44.559 flat back, no tail. I was no, it wasn't a panther. 304 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:51.480 And it ran like you know, it was like going okay. Thing it 305 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.720 was also was it was either wet or oily skin because there was a full 306 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.799 moon that night, and it glistened as it ran across there. You could 307 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.920 just see the light reflecting off of it that it was like jet black but 308 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.640 had a glisten to it. And it was enough light that I could see 309 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:14.359 what its feet and all we're doing, and it just it guarded very quickly 310 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.799 when it went across there was there anything else you can you said about the 311 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.160 head being more of like a round shape, no snout. Did you get 312 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.960 to see the face because it was at a slight angle, but I didn't 313 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.160 get to look like directly into the face. Yeah, And I think it's 314 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.720 as I recall it, its face kind of wobbled a little too as it 315 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.240 was going okay. Now, I didn't get a clear look, but I 316 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:45.720 did know that there was no snout okay, and it was a roundish head 317 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.920 rather than like you know, a panther or something. It would have happened, 318 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:53.519 no visible here or so I could see. How about size? Uh, 319 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.000 do you think that this was something that was uh, you know, 320 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.079 six or some feet tall, bigger, smaller. I think that if it 321 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.319 stood up, it was at least six foot tall. Okay, man, 322 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:11.319 it was big. It was shoulders, but it like this, you know, 323 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.000 it was running yea on a small back. You know, you could 324 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.119 tell the back was small, but their chest obviously must have been bigger. 325 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.799 But again, it's it's down like this. If it stood up, it 326 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.160 probably would have looked bigger and whiter and even store you know, but it 327 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.039 was ba like that, and I wouldn't. I didn't say anything about it 328 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.759 and talk about it with anybody. I thought, well, I don't know 329 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.759 what you saw, but you didn't see a big foot. Big foot's don't 330 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.240 do that. And I was afraid that, you know, people might laugh 331 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.359 at me everywhere. I don't know what you saw, you know, I 332 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:48.279 think we're out here. Look. Yeah. So years later, trying to 333 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.160 think of his name, Michael Humphrey, we were at another event, a 334 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.039 meeting kind of thing, and he told a story of what he saw and 335 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.440 it was identical, okay, only the different was the one he saw was 336 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.680 coming straightforward him, realized he was there, freaked out for a second, 337 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:10.839 and then turned and scoot it off to get away. And once I heard 338 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.720 that, to me, that was validation. Okay, now somebody else has 339 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.720 seen what I saw, and this part of what people see. So now 340 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.160 I'll talk. And you didn't put it out there. No people would think 341 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.079 he's just trying to come up with a story or something, you know, 342 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.319 or no, that's not what we're out here looking for. We're looking for 343 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.799 big foot, you know. Well, and that's interesting. That's interesting. 344 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.200 And when we come back from the break real quick, we'll jump right back 345 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.200 into this. H Jay Folks, Sean Forker, Henry made, James Baker, 346 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.720 Vance has been mad Mar Arner, and tonight's guest Jay Michael Long. 347 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.839 We'll be right back after this brief message, well sort of brief, but 348 00:29:48.240 --> 00:30:00.559 we'll see. On the flip side team, I'll sit it is the big 349 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:07.519 quick bullhorn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. I hope you're all having a wonderful 350 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:15.240 Monday night. As we were chit chatting about the Mothman Festival, a point 351 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:22.160 Pleasant, West Virginia, asked James Baker about desert dry triangles with a hint 352 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:27.119 of apple flavors sprinkled with sugar. It was all part of a breakfast on 353 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:33.759 our depart out of Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Actually to be technical Gallipolish 354 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:41.279 or Gallapolis or Gallipolis. There are several ways that people pronounce that. But 355 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:48.039 nonetheless, enough of my ramblings. Let's get on with an unusual news story 356 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.319 out of Florida. No, it's not a Florida man's story, but a 357 00:30:52.640 --> 00:31:00.799 Florida authority had killed an alligator that was seen with human remains in its mouth. 358 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:04.720 Say what now, No, that's never happened before. A large alligator 359 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:10.319 was killed by officials after it was seen with human remains in its mouth in 360 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:15.720 the Tampa Bay area of Florida. JaMarcus Bullard said he witnessed the horrific scene 361 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:22.279 in a canal and unincorporated Largo before reporting the sighting to authorities on Friday. 362 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:29.359 When the scene turned gruesome, Bullard hit his record button on his phone. 363 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.599 Well, of course he did. The thirteen foot eight and a half inch 364 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.759 mail alligator was humanely killed. Sure, you violently kill a person, but 365 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:44.599 you get to be humanely killed and removed from the water with assistance from Florida 366 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:51.759 Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. The Sheriff's office had identified the deceased person as 367 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.759 forty one year old Sabrina Peckham. The manner and cause of death is pending 368 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.799 an investigation and is on officials said. My guess is she died by, 369 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.319 Oh, I don't know, an alligator. It's not yet known whether the 370 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:15.799 alligator killed Peckham, but recent high profile alligator attacks on humans have left some 371 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.799 Floridians on edge. In February, an alligator killed an eighty five year old 372 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.920 woman in Fort Pierce while she was trying to save her dog, and then 373 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.680 two weeks later, a man survived a bite after opening his front door to 374 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.160 a gator. Note to sell, don't open your front door if they're an 375 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:42.200 alligating when we come back. An announcement to be made out of Tennessee. 376 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:57.880 You're listening to the Sasquatch experience? Are you low on bigfoot wears? An 377 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:05.359 apparel visit got knockers dot org to fill that void. Got Knockers has everything 378 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.400 from soaps, plushies, shirts, hoodies, jewelry, and so much more. 379 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.920 Inspired by a sighting of bigfoot himself gott Knockers was born. Visit gott 380 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:23.599 knockers dot org. 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A myriad 388 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:37.840 of local and regional names stand for bigfoot like creatures, scene and encountered just 389 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:45.239 outside local townships and communities. From the Flintville Monster to the White Screamer of 390 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.840 White Bluff, to Old Green Eyes of Lookout Mountain and the Screaming Jacks of 391 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:59.480 the Cumberland Plateau. Reports of a hairy wildman have remained constant across the ages. 392 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:06.480 This year's special speaker at the Tennessee Wild man and cryptocon is Ronald Moorehead, 393 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.239 or well known to us as Ron Moorehead, who was the author of 394 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:20.400 Quantum Bigfoot and producer of the infamous Sierra Sounds Bigfoot recordings. Tickets range anywhere 395 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.039 in price from twenty dollars to five hundred dollars, and I think for five 396 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:31.880 hundred dollars you'll probably get to sleep and at tent with Ron Moorehead with an 397 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.199 audio recording device of some sort. I don't know, I'm just made that 398 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:44.800 part up. Thanks for listening to this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively on 399 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:51.079 the Sasquatch Experience, and as always, remember keep your toes in the mud. 400 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:17.119 Thanks Vance for the news segment there and your fantasy role playing of an 401 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.280 evening with Ron Moorehead. That's a great way to close that out. Yeah. 402 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:28.800 Thanks folks, Sasquatch Experience the Monday night show you've all been waiting for, 403 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.199 and we don't know why you do, but we're glad you're here. 404 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.639 Of course. Sean Forker, James Baker, Henry May, Matt Arner, 405 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.719 Vance has bitten tonight's guest Jay Michael long Jay. Before we took a break, 406 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.920 you were talking to us about your bigfoot sightings plural. We were going 407 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.559 back to the Louisiana siding and that strange crawl, and just briefly we were 408 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.880 talking about the you know, you had expectations of what bigfoot was in the 409 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:59.119 South and then you see something that's completely different than what you expected exactly, 410 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.400 and that's not unusual for this that part of this country, as we come 411 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.199 to know, right and as your research, I'm sure you've found out. 412 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.320 Well, yeah, later on, you know, there was another person on 413 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.519 one of the forums on Facebook that described the exact same thing, and he's 414 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:23.000 from Texas over here. And so later as I began to search for more 415 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:28.159 stories about how they walk at all fours, the image I had in my 416 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.880 mind was at that time billis Musan had drawn in a painting of a sasquatch 417 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.440 and it was it was standing. It was like you've been at the waist 418 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.440 like this, and the legs were long and the pall the arms were long, 419 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.519 and it was walking like say a dog would. In my mind, 420 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.159 that's what I thought a a bigfoot on all fours looked like. And this 421 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.960 is what was accepted apparently, is that's what they looked like. So when 422 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.280 it was that load of the ground and its knees, we were been up 423 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.840 to its sides and his arms doing the push pull thing and his legs doing 424 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.440 the push thing. I was like that that didn't fit, you know, 425 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:13.280 And so I was afraid to say anything about it. I thought people would 426 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.280 look at me like you are crazy, you know, And I didn't want 427 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.440 to be thought of as crazy, so I didn't say anything about it. 428 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.599 I didn't until Michael had another event. Humphrey I think it was his name, 429 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.079 I don't know. Anyway, he described the same thing, only he 430 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.480 described it coming towards it noticed him. Both of them sort of flipped out 431 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.960 for a second, and then it darted off. But he described that same 432 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:43.360 motion. And you called it a spider walk. I've never heard that term. 433 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:49.039 So tell me what a spider walk is. Well, I don't mean 434 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.360 to interrupt. That only came to me. That only came to me from 435 00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.440 West West Skirmer and his experience, and he referred to it as a spider 436 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.079 walk. And when it did that, it used its fingers to prop its 437 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.760 hands off the ground and to propel itself forward, and he referred to it 438 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.159 as a spider walk. And from there on end. I just that's how 439 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:22.239 I coined that phrase as a spider walk, but not that that's actually a 440 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:30.719 thing. But I don't know if he saw it actually used its fingers to 441 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.960 help propel, or if it was just the hands itself with the fingers, 442 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:42.000 you know, sprayed and I don't know. It's just kind of crazy and 443 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.480 creepy. Yeah, this was creepy enough, but its hands were flat on 444 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.440 the ground. I never noticed the thing that came up. We had gone 445 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.679 back, we probably would have gotten very good handprints and the back feet prints 446 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.440 because they were flat the whole time. But you know, I didn't say 447 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:06.400 anything, you know, Matt, Was it Sibylla who did the kind of 448 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.199 the artists rendition of that? I believe so, yes, And that's why 449 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.559 you asked, yeah, And that's why I asked whether it was the hands 450 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:21.159 were in or if they were wide out. One of the renditions that that 451 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.119 we've seen from and heard from from witnesses is, uh, the arms will 452 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:31.440 be out wide and the legs will actually splay out as well, allowing the 453 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:38.159 body then to to be close to the ground and having the there'll be coordination 454 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:44.119 between the between the hands and the feet uh, you know, like you 455 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.840 would with it like a dog, but yet it's so down to the ground 456 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:53.320 almost like it's doing a push up with supper body. But then the lower 457 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.679 body as well is almost in a similar position. And again you're talking about 458 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:07.400 an animal which may have a different hip structure than we do. Uh, 459 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.480 so it would be it would be out is similar to the top half like 460 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.880 a push up and just going back and forth like that, which is pretty 461 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:27.440 dark scary if you if you ask think about the the month structure in order 462 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:32.840 to do that. That's a balls of my mind. Uh wow. Then, 463 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.960 but even thinking for for how jay is is talking about the movement there, 464 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.360 I could see I can see something, you know, doing that, 465 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.880 particularly if it if it is trying to remain low profile, doesn't want to 466 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.599 be seen, you know, especially now it has to cross the road. 467 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.559 But if it's going through brush, if it's going through uh something like that, 468 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.159 and uh, you know, I could definitely see there's something going through 469 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:08.199 like that. You know. If you if you can imagine your elbows are 470 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.599 it's like this, and you're straight with your body, and now imagine your 471 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.480 legs are the same way. Yeah, all the way up to your side. 472 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.800 They're not you know, splayed out like that. They're their arm and 473 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.039 your knee are passing each other as you're doing this yep, and almost kind 474 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:34.199 of like it's version of a military crawl away. Yeah, it was like 475 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.239 you move, you move like a dog where the paws are kind of like 476 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.320 this, and then let's locked the elbows and then you're Yeah, but then 477 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:47.840 front hand when it pulled all the way back the arm. It's hard to 478 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.960 do it because humans can't do it. Imagine from your elbow to here went 479 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.719 all the way over. So okay, the top of your fingers are touching, 480 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:04.519 yeah, you're arm, and then the legs, the back foot as 481 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:12.719 it pushed away, the top of the foot can touch your ship. Yeah. 482 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:16.079 Like if you've ever watched the movie The Ring or The Grudge, some 483 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:20.800 of the old Japanese horrors, that's how they walk to kind of make the 484 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.400 creature look more supernatural. So if you want to like a video reference, 485 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.360 go ahead and watch that movie. It'll give you an idea what he's something 486 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:35.360 like that. Yeah, it's just creepy. I mean, it's hard to 487 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:40.679 describe it. It's creepy that it's because you just knew that moment when when 488 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400 you see that hand do that, You're like, people can't I'm leaving the 489 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:53.960 middle, gone right and done. Yep. Wow, I'm gonna try to 490 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.719 upload a photo of this for Jay real quick, just so we can show 491 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.000 you know exactly what it is that we're really let me just present anything like 492 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.920 that. You know that the way it moved like it would make more sense 493 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.880 if it did kind of do this, you know, crawling on the ground, 494 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.400 but it didn't do that. It was okay, see how I look 495 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:27.199 very day Yeah, that very top picture. You see how the arms and 496 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.679 legs are are extended out, the legs all the way up next to the 497 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:37.320 body. Okay, it did not look like it looked like it was trying 498 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.920 to be thin. You know. It's like, oh, I'm gonna like 499 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.960 almost like it trying to fit through a hole or something. You know, 500 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.880 well, if it's got to move their brush and wouldn't make sense, right, 501 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.519 Yeah, trying to be low key. But you see the distance from 502 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.760 it in that first drawing, the distance from it to the ground. Narrow 503 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.599 it down, narrow it down some because it was it might have even dragged 504 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:09.320 its belly, but it was very very loud yep, I would never sleep 505 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:16.519 again. On one thing that I'm thinking about and just from Jay from from 506 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:23.440 uh uh you know, your observations and from what I know too about wildlife, 507 00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:30.239 is it could have been actually a feeding behavior as well. Uh. 508 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:36.000 Maybe it's it's doing that. It's collecting groups, it's collecting uh you know, 509 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.760 something on the on the forest floor or something along the swamp floor, 510 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.320 uh, for food. And maybe it's just so used to to to being 511 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.599 that way and having you know, the hands and the feet you know as 512 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.280 uh, you know, movable as they are, especially with the feet compared 513 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:01.880 to ours, probably makes it very efficient for you know, for basically scavenging 514 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.559 off the off the forest floor. Yeah, I thought it could be. 515 00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.599 But I think that my my just thoughts of it is we had just come 516 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.079 through there with on that truck. Yeah, trucks barreling down, and we 517 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.880 come around that corner. We're both in the in the back, so we're 518 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.719 looking behind the vehicle okay forward like everybody else. We're on the on the 519 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.360 tailgate, and it just came around that corner and as we came around that 520 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.280 corner, it darted across. Okay, like oh my gosh, I'm getting 521 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.000 out of here. There's people here. Yeah, yeah, it was my 522 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:42.400 thought. Ye, Henry, Yeah, You've you've known Jay a long time. 523 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.960 What do you think about these sightings? This is amazing. I mean 524 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:54.559 I've I've heard and read about supposed sasquatch, probably on all fours, but 525 00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:01.440 this is very interesting. Never heard did love emotion of It's strange? Yeah, 526 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.079 yeah, it was strange. Yeah. I think that's funny. We've 527 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.599 known Jay for so long, but we don't recall the particulars of that sighting, 528 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.880 and the the atatomical sense of this is just mind boggling. Like I've 529 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.840 not heard of that particular splaying, and I've heard of the spider crawl, 530 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.760 just like if we showed you, I wasn't familiar with when Vans was talking 531 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:30.519 about really either. I've just heard it from that that photograph that I've showed 532 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.480 you there. I've seen that several times. You know how they move, 533 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.960 you know, getting from point A to point B through the terrain they have 534 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.079 to cross. Uh, you know, it makes sense that they would have 535 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.760 some sort of adapted way of moving to go on detective. It's not always 536 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.639 going to be this flash across the you know, across in front of uther. 537 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.280 I'm sure they found ways to evade. The other thing that I think 538 00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.360 is interesting, Jay, is that you know, you thought it could have 539 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.760 been a man in a gilly suit, But how the hell would you validate 540 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.440 that. It's not like you could go to the camp and ask right right, 541 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.760 exactly, that's the other siding, that's not this one. Yeah, 542 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.079 but you just showed me that picture, So now my mind is absorbing that 543 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:17.400 and thinking maybe if it was in that sort of spider thing and a truck 544 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.880 goes by and it's like scared, it just come backed in quickly started, 545 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.840 you know, yep, and then maybe once it gotten the woods on the 546 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.159 other side, it might spread back out again. But this was a moving, 547 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:36.960 real close shoot across the cut through and then figure out what that truck's 548 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:44.800 doing. But would it not seem to anybody that if a creature were to 549 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:51.440 do that type of a quote unquote spider crawl, you'd be burning a lot 550 00:48:51.480 --> 00:49:00.760 more calories, which you may not have that much to afford to do that. 551 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.840 It seems like it would take a lot of energy to do that, 552 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.559 and you might get to a point where you're out of sight and then come 553 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:13.840 back to a bipedal position. Again, I don't know. That whole thing 554 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.320 is just creeps me out. But we're the only we're the only species that 555 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.480 counts calories. Okay, bigot girl, Jenny Craig in the moment, he's 556 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.239 not sitting there thinking, oh, I wonder if I have Yeah, maybe 557 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:35.320 not, but it still has hunger, tennessees it doesn't not so so put 558 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:43.519 yourself in a position die or survive another ten minutes, right right? Absolutely, 559 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.360 yeah, no, you're right. That's a good point. I wonder 560 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:52.800 if this motion is something that they only do, like for a short burst, 561 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.000 and then they stand back up again, or maybe be brought down first 562 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.599 and stand back up fighter. And I got my mind around that. It's 563 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:06.639 like, well maybe they're like then they come are they stand up later? 564 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.920 I've heard I'm saying they were on all tours and they stood up and walked 565 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.239 away, you know. And well, let me tell you if this is 566 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.760 the common form of low emotion for sasquatch. I'm moving to the pro gilt 567 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.400 category very quick, okay, because I'm done. I'm empty in that. 568 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.440 But yeah, I have always said, I've always said, if you're going 569 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.800 to if you want to prove the existence of sasquatch. Go get a sasquatch? 570 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.719 Yeah, one, or whether you can capture one, a lie one, 571 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.000 whatever, you know, if you were doing the suit. Sorry, 572 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.679 So, Jay, you've been you've been down the road now while you've had 573 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.039 your own sightings, You've talked to a bunch of people, you've produced documentaries. 574 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:57.239 What's your take? You know, we try not to beat the Paterson 575 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.440 Demman film to death here because it's been talked about ad nauseum for you know, 576 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.119 as long as the video has been around. But to you, you 577 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.320 know what, what's your take on Bigfoot? Is it real? I mean, 578 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:13.440 you know what you've seen, but what else aside from your sighting says 579 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.719 hey, this is a legitimate, legitimate creature. Well, my sighting, 580 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:22.280 the things that I've seen, to me, I know there's something out there. 581 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.360 I just don't know what it is. My personal idea on Bigfoot is 582 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.519 you know, some people say, well, it's an offshoot of humans or 583 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:35.280 it's an offshoot of apes, and I don't think that it's either. I 584 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.960 think it's its own thing. I don't think that it came off the evolutionary 585 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.239 tree from humans or it came off the evolutionary tree as a branch off of 586 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:51.239 apes. It's not an ringut, and it's not a big it's not a 587 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:59.639 gorilla. It's not a chimpanzee or a binobo. And I don't think that 588 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.159 it's human either. I think it is its own thing. It's you have 589 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:08.039 the human branch, you have the ape branch, and it's somewhere in between, 590 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:15.639 and it is its own thing. It has its own evolutionary patterns or 591 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:22.679 whatever. Gigantopithecus Blackie might be an offshoot of it from years and years ago. 592 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.639 But I don't think that it's human. I don't think that it's eight. 593 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.440 I think it is its own thing. Do you think it's just human 594 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:36.840 nature to try to assign it to something closer to us. Yes, that 595 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.519 we want it to be that, So that's what we pointed to. We 596 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.519 want to try to explain it or we want it to be like us, 597 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.719 so we you know, it's a gentle giant, it leaves, it lives 598 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.079 in the woods and it wants to be left alone. Or we're like, 599 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.840 you know, it's an aggressive creature or something like that, or it's supernatural 600 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:59.079 or it's alien. The thing is is that if it were human. We 601 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:07.079 humans have a lot of baggage, especially emotions. If it is human, 602 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.960 where are the sasquats wars? Where's the need to explore? Why hasn't one 603 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.079 just walked out of the woods and walked in the middle of town when hey, 604 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.400 I want to see what all this is and and been photographed scene or 605 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.119 even walk up to somebody, you know, Where's the anger? Where is 606 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:29.480 the lust? The greed, the vanity, the attachment? These are all 607 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:35.320 human emotions. They're all negative emotions. People tend to subscribe the good emotions, 608 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.159 the good things they're they're little gentle giants. They want to be left 609 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.360 alone. They live in the woods, and they're good. We're good, 610 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:47.559 little free creatures. No, there's probably some negative to that too, But 611 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.559 but so, I mean, if it's human, it would have the same 612 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.480 emotions we have, and we don't see any any sign of that. If 613 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.039 it's primate, it would be far more vicious, you know, because the 614 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.519 animals, hey, don't rip you apart. Gorilla can take a part, 615 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.000 you know, and orangutan ked too, and a big enough chimpanzee will beat 616 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.159 you to dad. Well, it's not in their behavior, so they're not 617 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:20.159 human and they're not typical animal in my opinion. I don't know if I 618 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.199 have any more to sum that up. That was pretty spot on that yeah, 619 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.159 yeah, yeah, like you don't think of it in those terms. 620 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.199 You know. It's the frustrating thing with me that it's been there for, 621 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:32.679 you know, for a while, is that, you know, we have 622 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.199 this incessant need as of people to anthropomorphicize things and make them like us. 623 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.239 And there's so much of this that says this isn't human. And you know, 624 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.760 when you were saying where's the lust? I had to point up this 625 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.360 book I got in the mail from a listener called The Sensual Sasquatch, which 626 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.599 is not in the same category, has come for bigfoot folks. It is 627 00:54:53.639 --> 00:55:04.119 a legitimate book that documents sas squads, you know, coupling, and it's 628 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.880 been actually a fascinating read. So if you get a chance to pick it 629 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.840 up, I'm going to have the writer on the show here at some point, 630 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.280 the Central Sasquad. It is worth the read. I thought it would 631 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.280 be a little blushing Letters to Penthouse esque, it's not. It's actually a 632 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.800 pretty decent read. So for just because Jay happened to say where's the loss? 633 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.440 It's in that book. They do get it on quite a bit. 634 00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.320 But Jay, it's we're almost out of time again, and I feel like 635 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.000 we just scratched the surface of of of you and what we've done. But 636 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.760 somebody that's been in this field as long as the rest of us, probably 637 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.000 twenty years or so, you've seen a lot. You've been through a lot. 638 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:46.440 We've been through the Bluff Creek massacres, we've been through the Bigfoot hoaxes, 639 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.960 right, And we definitely have to have you on for a part two 640 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.360 to talk about some of those things because I think now more than ever, 641 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:58.480 folks have to understand those controversies happen for a reason and we can't go back 642 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:04.320 to them. Yeah, I had big Foot in the Freezer's my favorite that 643 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.800 But you know, you know, Jay, what I've come to understand as 644 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.360 people entering this community in the last couple of years just don't respect the history, 645 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.599 and they don't go back and read it, and they don't go back 646 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.440 and look at these mistakes and follies, so we don't go through them again. 647 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.360 And that's why it's nice to have folks like you and Henry and around 648 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.679 so we can talk about those things. Even though people that listen to this, 649 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:31.400 we might get a new listener who said, oh, I've never heard 650 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.320 that before, But there's a reason we don't want you to hear about it, 651 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.760 but we want you to hear about it. We want to give you 652 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.360 this story. So I'd like to get you back at some point Jay to 653 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.280 talk about that. But go ahead and plug some things you got out there 654 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.000 now. I know your documentaries were still out there on too. Me well. 655 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:52.119 I was also a witness to the Pasca Goal of UFO where Charles Hickson 656 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.519 and Calvin Parker were abducted, and I have a DVD out now that tells 657 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.960 the story from all of us who saw something that night, as well as 658 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.159 Kelvin, and he recently passed away, so we will not get any more 659 00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:09.960 information from him, unfortunately. But there's a new book out and I'm in 660 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:15.960 it, and there's my film that you can see in a new documentary that 661 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.159 I'm also a part of that being produced in the UK, will be coming 662 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.880 out later on this year or the beginning of next year, so there's lots 663 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:27.280 of information on that. Also. As far as Bigfoot, I haven't done 664 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.079 one in a long time, but Sasquatch Hunters is out there and it's when 665 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:36.280 I did a while back, and you might enjoyed seeing that one as well. 666 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.840 I did, you do put out some great documentaries, man. Something 667 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.079 I was going to just throw in here. Last week in one of the 668 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.519 local forums here in Texas, somebody reported a bigfoot siding because they had the 669 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.400 thing where the police had written down that the individual said that he thought he 670 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.559 saw bigfoot and it was reported and it got out there and it was on 671 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.119 one of these others services, you know, like Facebook or whatever, and 672 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.840 I just thought, well, that's interesting. We just have one last week 673 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.119 here in Texas. Yeah, you know, well, you know Texas is 674 00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.719 a hotspot for bigfoot activity, right, the lone Star state has its own 675 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.320 especially things. Yeah, so, Jay, thanks so much for coming on 676 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.519 with us. We're out of time. Where can folks find out more about 677 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.079 you? You can go to my Facebook group just look up Jay Michael. 678 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:37.599 I'm Jay Michael Underscore Official on Instagram. Those are the two best places because 679 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.159 I posted pretty much anything that's going on and posted about this, so if 680 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.880 you want to know anything about me. Also, my Instagram, I have 681 00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.639 a link tree on it and my profile you can click on that and there 682 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.880 is a whole litity of things you can see, watch movies, stuff like 683 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.480 that that you can go that I made very cool, tons of stuff, 684 00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.519 tons of things. Can't mention all of them here. Well, we'll get 685 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:01.719 you. We'll get you on again so we can talk more about them. 686 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:07.760 We love guy and talk more. Yep, excellent guys. That hour went 687 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:13.440 by quick. In fact, I think it goes by two quick times. 688 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.679 Again. We're making the migration here to a permanent will more permanent home for 689 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.800 anomalous entertainment sasquatch experienced studio. I've been working on that as much as I 690 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.440 can between my real job and my real life, so we'll have an actual 691 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.119 studio space to bring you some more great productions. I've got a couple more 692 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.400 irons in the fire, guys, some great stuff's coming along. We just 693 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.480 asked you to be patient and truck along with us. Matt and I have 694 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.599 been out in the woods. Matt's been really getting out there. We hope 695 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.199 to bring you some good stuff, and I know the guys have been working 696 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.239 on their projects. So again, stay tuned. We appreciate your patience. 697 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.280 We appreciate you, the listener, because without you, we'd just be some 698 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:58.280 guys walking around in the woods looking for Bigfoot with no reason to continue doing 699 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.320 this. So guys, thank you Han Henry give him those beautiful closing words. 700 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.559 Yeah, I'll be good or be good at it. Keep on squatching. 701 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:19.480 Folks, you've been listening to sass watch Experience. Please rate and review 702 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.960 wherever this podcast is consumed. To share your experience, visit us on Facebook 703 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:29.800 or email us Squatch Experience at gmail dot com. Keep on Squatching.