You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show with myself Neil Ward
and well and he isn't here tonight, but no worries. We have a
guest anyway, and he joins us all the way for I'd like to say
he joins us all away from Mexico, but it's actually Emire Endsty so that
was a curveball thrown to me. Welcome Gary Robinson. How are you Gary?
Hey? Doing pretty good mate? Thanks for having me on. Good
to be here, Thanks, thank you for joining us. Now. You
know Ben one of our regular guests, Ben Emlyn Jones, and you and
d to watch Ben's YouTube out but and then he started to watch some of
our stuff as well, didn't you. That's how you came to find us
looking out? Yeah, I mean I pretty much found you guys through the
comments on Ben's videos and yeah, and then became a fan of the whole
Paranormal UK Radio Network on YouTube. But for me, the standout show was
always Paranormal Peak Show because yeah, well, I mean there's some great topics,
you know. I love like to be able to lead comments and discussions
and whatnot, and I've always got a lot to add and same with Ben's
channel as well. It's kind of a good forum for WOO subjects. Yeah.
Absolutely, it does make it interesting. I mean Ben's videos are interesting,
but I find the comments just as interesting actually being clown Yeah, yeah,
some of the better than material lots of love and hay at the same
time. Yeah, yeah, interesting concoction. Sometimes it's dangerous territory, Yeah
exactly. So you'll now residing for the moment at least in Hemil Hempstead in
Hartfordshire. And I know that stomping ground because I grew up in buckenham Shire
and I lived for a while in Chesham and my brother, as I think
I mentioned to you before we start recording, spent a good twenty five years
in Hemil Hempstead and in the very area that you are over ironic Lingham,
in Grove Hill, in Grove Hill and Hemilheads, which is where you grew
up. The toughest place in Hempstea. Yeah. So yes, that's the
good education, street cred and stuff. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, the worst school's toughest, choughest chefs. Yeah, it makes Grange
Hill look like Mary Poppins or something. Maybe. Yeah. I remember about
fifteen years ago, I came home into Groveville one night and at the main
bus stops someone had left the huge I think it was like a courteena or
something. It was on fire and they put a sign in front of it.
On the front they'd spray painted welcome to grow Hill. It was like
a scene from the TV show Shameless. It's great. That just sums up
Growth Hill. Wow. And I've caught many buses through that area up to
Grove Hill when I've been returning from Luton Airport and I've had to catch all
the bus all the way from the bottom of the town and catch all the
buses all the way to the very top because it's obviously up the top of
Hell. Yeah, that's right, and then then to go and hopefully receive
my car that's still there. You never know around here, you never know,
you never know. So you're bore a musician as well, though,
which is another thing I got in common with you playing music. Yeah,
exactly. Well. In another lifetime, I was actually a web developer and
I had a good career as a web developer since back in the days when
nobody knew what the internet was, I had a job with them a k
QUA, which was like one of the leading agencies back back then. But
since I moved to Mexico about fifteen years ago, I had to take music
production, which would essent you something I did in the unions, and I
had to turn it into a job. And I'd already had some music on
TV through a number of production libraries. I think my first TV shows in
EastEnders, I had a drum and bass track in a club scene, and
so I pretty much took my catalog to a number of production libraries and licensing
companies and got sell for business, so to seen. Years later, I've
got i think roughly two hundred credits on like Hollywood film and TV, and
countless more placements on you know, like European regional nudes, sort of lifestyle
programs, lots of reality shows. I'm trying to think the most recent films
I've done, And when I say films, I've not done the soundtrack.
I'm the guy that gets picked up if they need like a specific song for
a scene that isn't covered by the composer. So like in the movie Venom
to the Marvel movie that's like a club scene. So I was actually watching
that last night. Fun enough, okay, okay, Nick. Yeah.
They say that's another strange coincidence, isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, you
would tell them earlier that you met on someone called Gary from Mexico, but
it wasn't me. Yeah. Yeah, I was listening to another podcast,
David yas right, who does are one of the other shows in a paranomut
radio network. He's he was talking to another Gary who's into crop circles and
he used to live in Mexico, which I thought was a bit odd as
I was going to interview you with your Yeah, it's a strange connection.
Yeah, what was I saying? Movies? Yeah, I'll just vent a
few so that people know Venom too. I recently did Playmobil, the movie
that was Daniel Radcliffe, and I think I had two tracks in that.
I've done Time Freak, which was a Netflix film with the one of the
girls from Game of Thrones. One of the biggest films I did was Traces,
which was made by the people who did Power Rangers and had Taylor Lautner
and I did the opening scene and they wanted a dubstep because dubstep was big
at the time, and what I gave them was a drum and bassed record
at half speed and they used it to score the entire intro of the movie.
That was great. And I've done a lot of TV shows over the
years as well, plenty of stuff on the CW. I think I was
mentioned to you about the CW, things like Beauty and the Beast, the
Fosters, Batwomen, stuff like that, Kardashians selling Sunset, or the big
reality shows. Once you get a good agent, you know you've so is
that I mean so as They used to supply your stuff to production libraries and
people would then trawl through the internet on the production library website that they're registered
and they say, oh, I like that track, I'll download it,
and then you'd get a royalty or something. But now you've got an agent
that actually puts your work out to Yeah, well, actually I've got I've
got various agents who some of them run their own libraries and work with other
production companies. Set's quite a complicated set because some of the companies work in
very different ways. Some of them are literally production libraries, where like say
they'll add like a product that you make and people will find it by trawling
through. And then there are other companies where they represent you more as if
it's a record label and they'll say, Wow, we've got this artist who's
hot, and you know you think this could be great for your new show,
blah blah blah, and they'll promote you as if they were promoting a
record that they were releasing. So there's quite a few different avenues. But
over the last two years, Neil, I have to say that the music
licensing industry has been affected by none other than the woke virus. So that's
something can or can't get into because I know Andy loves his and he won't
takedowns. Oh yeah, yeah cool. So if you've got to do politically
great music, now yeah. Well, there's a few things that have been
happening. One is that you've probably seen that Hollywood films and TV shows and
streaming platforms just aren't making the money that they used to be because the woke
content that preaches to the audience or is just inappropriate for younger audiences doesn't make
the money. So I've noticed that companies that give me a list of shows
and films that I'm pitched towards those pitch lists of you know, they're not
even a quarter of what they used to because there's not the same amount of
shows and films in production, and that is simply because the money isn't there.
But what's scary and I've not got my head around this just a couple
of companies whom I wasn't excuse me who I was an in a circle composer
as in one of the main composers, they began to prioritize, shall we
say, people of color who were working with them. So if you're of
my complexion, for no reason whatsoever, you now go to the bottom of
the pile. So it's like a reverse racism situation amongst the team of people
who were already friends. And it's another example of the people at the top
making these bizarre decisions that they think are right and virtuous, while one else
suffers at the bottom. Mmmm. I don't know what Andy would have to
say about that. Yeah, be interesting, be interested. I must have
about I was watching you know, you talk about streaming, Zosi isn't And
we've been watching the third series of The witchert And I'm not really a fan
of the witchert but watching it and so I'll watch it with her. Watch
it with a Witcher. That's a bit of a mouthful. So on this
new episode, I think it was the first or second episode of the third
series, so I don't really know what's going on, but I'm just watching
it, and okay, I'm trying to keep up. But she told me
not to talk through it. She says, don't say anything, you know,
you just talk your way through it. And it really annoys me to
keep your trap shut. Watch the film, all right, all right,
and we're both and I'm sitting there zip with my mouth sit and I she
had to open her mouth as well because she was totally cop smacked as that
we saw this lady who was a blacksmith. I think wrong with that.
You know, she was making our swords for the Witcher. But she had
a beard and that's that's bizarre. Yeah, And I said, hang on,
I said, that's a lady with a beard and no one's talking about
it. Yeah, And she let me talk on that one. It's like,
because it had to be said. What I've got to say that I
don't sorry and you're gone. Yeah, I was going to say I said
it to Bed and Ben was going, what, what would be a beard?
I said, yeah, yeah, I really think I've got to go
back and photograph it or something to prove it, because it's just so bizarre.
You weren't need some photograph for me. I completely believe you, and
I'm not even shocked by it. I don't know if you saw recent stories
about Disneyland in Los Angeles, but they had they had a bearded guy dressed
up in a little Cinderella costume and out candies to kids, huck and now
disney Land's empty. Oh my gosh. As for The Witcher, I've been
I've not watched it, but I've been keeping up with the news in regards
to it because it's also been affected by Woke, the CW channel that I
told you about that I used to make a lot of royalties from from their
shows. They're heading to bankruptcy and one of the show runners, which is
like a producer slash writer in charge of the show, was brought into The
Witcher after she screwed up CW. And what I read was that Henry Cavill's
leaving the show because they're making him into just a bit part character. And
making some of the female characters the lead, and he's not interested in wokeness.
And I've just seen a picture of Chris Hemsworth's brother, you know,
the guy that places though brother as an actor, and I've seen him in
the full costume to replace Henry Cavell. And so apparently in the next season
moving forward, Henry Cavill's out and Liam Hemsworth is in doing the same character.
But it's a you know, a side side rob and right, oh
my god, oh my gosh, because those women they don't need no man
apparently, well that's a yeah, you know, it's a turning into a
right carry on bloody hell. Yeah, it's It kind of reminds me slowly
we're going back to the eighties when they had Robin a showood on TV.
Nothing that it wasn't woke or anything like that. It's just the fact that
halfway through the series or one of the series, between series one, series
two, I can't remember how many series it wasn't they went from the guy
who was dark haired and I forget what his name was. He went on
to do Dallas or something like Michael Bade. Yeah, and then they replaced
him with Sean Connor's son. That's right, and that was yeah. And
they did it in an interesting way though, didn't they. It was almost
like a Doctor the Who thing. Yeah. I never fully understood what we're
going on there, though, I can tell you what they did. They
come up with a formula where her and the Hunter possesses the man that wears
the deer enters the shame and once one hooded man has been killed, her
and the hunters spirit tells him to choose another person. So the reason they
did that was they figured that every time a lead actor the show, they
could just pick another one, very doctor who like and really, isn't it
yea, yeah, well it worked with Doctor Who's I guess everyone's kind of
like taking that same our concept and thinking, okay, we'll actually, you
know, we can do without that expensive actor and get another one cheaper and
you know, keep the Dolce the dice rolling. Yeah, see you later.
Yeah. Yeah. So going from the music, then you obviously went
from Hemia hemps did all the way to Mexico fifteen years ago I set So
you know, how did you end up in Mexico? Well, I went
on holiday with some friends to Los Angeles, actually was twenty years ago now,
and one of my friends suggested we go to Las Vegas and one night
in one of the casinos I ended up meeting my future wife. It turned
out that she was from a small town in Mexico, and we ended up
you know, jetting back and forward for a year or so, and eventually
got married. Lived in the UK for a while, but she she didn't
cope well with the climate at Emil Hempstead in London, so we ended up
we ended up moving back to the town where she comes from, which is
it's a town on the border Texas called a Kunya, and it's kind of
a strange town because it looks like the old World West. And Tarantino used
to go there to film scenes from some of his movies like Dust Till Dawn
Excuse me. And I don't know if you've ever seen the film El Mariachi
Robert Rodriguez. It's famous Mexican films, quite a cult movie, and there
were three sequels as well, and Antonio Bendera's Danny Tree and they just turned
up and filmed them in the main high street in a Kunya, which is
bizarre, but I mean it looks great. I mean, you could film
music videos there or anything, just feet down the street and film it.
But another interesting thing about Kunja is that out in the desert, about ten
minutes out of the city, there's a huge radio station with the gigantic mast
and in the nineteen sixties it was the hideout of a DJ called Wolfman Jack.
So if you've ever seen the film American Graffiti, you know George Lucas's
first Yeah, Harrison full was it, wasn't he? Yeah, that's right,
Yeah, he was in that. He took that job to keep his
acting insurance so he could pay for his first child's birth. But Wolfman Jack
was featured in American Graffiti because his broadcast were going out to Vietnam spirits of
the troops, but no one knew where he was. And the whole time
he was in a kunya in the desert, hiding because he had a legal
radio equipment that was that was too powerful. Yeah, reached in all the
way to Asia because he was in Mexico. Even if anyone found him,
they couldn't stop him in Mexico. Now he cares, you know, right.
Interesting interesting bitline Radio Caroline kind of their version of the yea yeah,
only if you see the size of the mast. It's like the size of
a small town. And it's just like Psypjohn this and comm out in the
desert. There's no one that he managed to broadcast all the way to Asia.
So so, so when you moved to to to Mexico, how did
you acclimatize to it? Did you kind of go on with it straight off
or was it a problem for you? Well, after a week or so
of throwing up and adjusting to the foreign bacteria, which is hard, we
built our own place and just got to work. So I've got four kids,
two of which are grown up now, and two daughters who are who
are young. But my sons were young when we were out there, so
you know what it's like when you have kids. You just get in the
rhythm of things and you get on with building your life and so on.
I found that I just did pretty good. Although I don't speak Spanish,
but on the border a lot of people speak English. But it is a
completely different life, and it is the wild West, and it's it's quite
tough. It's people often say, oh, you live in Mexico, must
be great living in Mexico City. I say, no, I don't live
there. I live in one of the hundred million other places, you know,
not city, which is very, very different my style. MM.
So you're not picked up any Spanish like the basics or anything. Yeah,
a little bit, but not too much. My kids speak Spanish. But
I find that if you spend all your days indoors, hiding from the sun,
sitting on a computer, you ver much finish. Yeah. That's actually
interesting actually because when I lived in the Orkney Islands and you meet people that
go out and spend all their day's fishing in the Orkney Isings. And for
those I don't know where the Orkney Islands is, it's it's the group of
islands off the north coast of Scotland, and it's when you're looking at your
atlas, you have to find it on those little square boxes at the back,
so because they haven't got room to put it on the main map sort
of thing. But yeah, the Orkan Isings are about ten miles off the
coast of northern Scotland, and then you've got the Shatland Islands another two hundred
plus miles further further north than that. But but I lived there for about
five years. My daughter still lives there, and I think she's still got
an English accent if she still sounds very richer, and that she moved there
when she was like nine, right, they had their own accent. We're
in Orkney. Yeah, even people in Scotland have trouble understanding the Orcadians.
And the thing is, as you said that you're you know, you're spending
all your time indoors, out of the sun on your computer. You don't
therefore pick up Spanish much. But I think it's the same with the Orcadian
men because they're out official time, they don't come in Land much and blend
with the visitors like the tourists, and they don't talk to them much,
so that when you do talk to them, it is so much harder to
understand them, Whereas the locals there will adapt their their accents to make it
easy for you to understand them, because obviously they're trying to tell you stuff,
you know, in their little gift shops and things, so they'll make
it easy to understand them. But the Aucadium then now it's just because they're
doing that job and they don't it doesn't even click for them that they've got
to adjust their accent. I remember once helping this English guy move house once
in Orkney, and because it was a stormy day, these two Orcadian fishermen
decided that they weren't going to go out and that in their boat that day
they'd help this guy move as well. So it's the first time I've met
them, and we're all getting stuff down from the bedrooms, like the beds
and dismount them and put them onto the truck or something, and this all
Canadian man said, what about the madrass on the we're looking each other madrass?
Madrass? What when we go madrass? What curry? No, No,
the madrass for the beds, I mean all matris, matris, that's
what you was saying. It's like a different rhythm of yeah, yeah,
yeah, money madras madras. Yeah. But again, that's an example of
people that just don't mix with other people. They have their own virtual language
and it's so hard to understand. So you mentioned earlier about ghostly experiences.
Obviously, because we're a paranormal peach as that we better start talking paranormals.
That I was going to say, we better get onto the woo subjects woo
stuff. Yeah, we've had the woke. Now, let's do the woo.
Yeah, so you mentioned there's some before you moved to Mexico, you
mentioned that ghosts the activities in he went and I remember talking to you online
and that's how because you you obviously connected me to Hamil Hempstead because I happened
to mention in one of our shows that my brother, who lived in Growth
Hill, we were filling up some petrol because he was taking me to loot
An Airport and we yeah, and this is he said in that place up
there, he pointed, is some friends of his had polter geist activity and
he got so bad. Things were flying around in their house, in their
flat, they had to come outside and to sit in the car and look
back up are flying about. So they were sitting outside and they could still
see everything through the Yeah yeah apparently. So, yeah, they could see
stuff moving or whatever it was, you know, and they had to sit
out there maybe for an hour until it settled down. But yeah, it's
lovely be so freaky. Yeah. Yeah, So that's how you found out
my kind of Hemil connection, that's right. Yeah, yeah, Yes,
a couple of years ago we were talking. Yeah, yeah, wasn't it.
Yeah, haunted Hemil. So, so what's your ghost stories of Hemel?
Well, I have a I have a ghost story late into the house
that I'm in right now, which is my parents' house, which is a
pretty new build. I guess it was built in the early eighties. But
when I was here as a kid, I think I was off school sick
one day and I was probably only about thirteen, and it was completely quiet.
I think it was a summer's day, and this has never left me.
I could suddenly hear somebody moving around the house upstairs where I am right
now, at thirty five years later, and I thought, Jesus will no
one's due to beat home, and so I get up the courage and I
creep out the bedroom onto the landing and I can hear somebody moving around.
It's not a bird or a window or the neighbors or anything like that.
The house is detached and at this point, I don't know what they call
it, when you fear is up and like fight or flight. Basically,
Adam checking every room very slowly, and as I'm looking around the corner,
I'm thinking I'm going to see someone, because I can still hear the movement.
I'm not quite sure it's coming from absolutely nothing. I checked the hole
of the upstairs and terrified nothing whatsoever. So I'm thirteen years old. I
call my grand grandfather was still alives and listen, I reckon someone in the
house, Please come and get me. So he has a look around the
house and we couldn't find anyone. And I'm convinced that I heard someone.
So that was the end of it until last year my brother calls me up.
When my brother still lives here in this house even though he's he's like
in his mid thirties now, Addie says to me, we've been having some
weird experiences at the house. He said, well, firstly, when we're
in bed at night, we can hear somebody walking up the stairs, but
they never get there, and it goes on and on and just never stops,
to the point where my sister, who had been living here in between
marriages, would also wake up and say, you know what the head is
this noise? They thought maybe someone was tapping their feet while laying in bed,
and my parents are being driven mad by it. They said it had
a strange acoustic to it as well, like you couldn't place it. If
that makes sense like about the experiences, you can ever quite beat your finger
on them. And so one night they're hearing the sound again, but they
doze off because they're used to it, and they're woken up by banging and
crashing downstairs and someone moving about. So they all go downstairs and my parents
terrified. They're looking behind curtains, inside cupboards. There's nobody there. They
don't know what to do. They searched everywhere behind the sofa because they think
someone's got in and they're hiding, which does happen, you know, people
break in and they hide. Yeah, so they have to go back to
bed. A couple of weeks later, the same thing happens. Everyone's terror
fired. They run downstairs and my dad's cell phone starts ringing and said,
they're like, well, the house ringing us. At this time, they
pick up my dad's cell phone and it's the house number ringing the cell phone.
How weird. They're standing right up front of the house phone. They
answered the call. There's like a weird white noise on the phone. And
they said after that night they never heard anything again. That was it.
How strange? Yeah, very strange. That's almost sounds like a kind of
paranormal poltergeistee type of thing. You know, the fact is making cell phones
work and they're creeping up of the stairs. I mean, maybe it moves
on the other place in the amble, you know, and spook something else
out, you know. I mean the ghost can go through walls, why
not? I said, if we know what ghosts are, that's right.
Yeah, I'm I've decided on that subject at the moment. But I did
stay and I'll haunted house in Mexico once in Monterey. Monterrey is a city
that's a bit like a Mexican version of Los Angeles, but it's also in
the mountains. I'm strangely enough, I think Predator the Jungle scenes were filmed
in the jungle just outside of the city in Monterray. But yeah, just
before I was married, my wife was living in a house with two other
girls in Monteriy. One of them her parents owned the house, and they
said, some places it's modern, but it's haunted. We see a guy
at the end of the bed at night. We will have to stay in
the same room because we're terrified. And they had a huge on the staircase.
They had a huge crucifix with the Christ on the crucifix, typical Mexican
sort of rendering in full color with the blood Serri Gore and that was terrifying.
And I actually had my first UFO experience in that house. So what
actually happened was one weekend, the two girls, the two housemates were away
and it was just me and my wife to wife to bed that time,
and we're we're in the bedroom looking out over the mountains. I think we
were just watching a film and relapse off at the time, because we didn't
even have a TV. And you can just about see the silhouette at the
mountains in Monterey, and and I sat up because I saw something like that
in the sky on what on earth? What's that? And then we saw
some more like little white dots zipping off into the sky, and you know
the classic UFO the people talk about where you see the little white UFO and
it's zipping all over the place at right angles and it's moving ultra fast.
We're actually watching those over the mountains and Monterey. So we get closer to
the window to have a look because I want to make sure you know,
it's not fireflies or it's not I don't know, lights on a tower of
some kind, And we watched these things for quite some time. And I
know they used to talk about that phenomena in the TV show Ancient Aliens,
and they used to describe it in a certain way because those little bits of
light fire off in different directions, but they don't go out. They stay
floating slowly and then they suddenly zip off and then in another direction. And
that was that was There's no doubt in my mind that that was something.
Did anyone else did you get, like, I mean, was there any
other witnesses, Were anything reported the local TV or the local press. Maybe
that other people's been not that I know of, Maybe they see those things
there a lot. I don't know. Yeah, I didn't believe what I
was seeing. And we both watched it together and as they say, I
know what I saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not the
weirdest thing I've seen in Mexico. That I'll get to some weird things,
but that same house. Back to the subjects of haunted House. Yeah,
yeah, we were well aware of the things that have been going on,
and I was kind of freaked out staying there. And we went out for
a meal one night and came back and we've not long been set down to
sleep and we heard some moving about and I could see shadows under the door
that were not actually coming to the door, so it wasn't actually somebody standing
outside the door, So I mean it was it was movement, and we
thought, bloody hell. And Isabel, that's my wife, she was saying,
let's just be quiet. No, maybe it will go away because there's
no one in the house because we would have heard the alarm system being deactivated,
we would have heard everyone coming in, so we can see this movement
like flutters of light and shadow. And it was only a few minutes.
As we're just watching it froze, hoping it will stopped. There's someone's knocking
at the door, the bedroom door. And it's not until you've experienced these
things that you think, bloody hell, M, what on earth could that
be. You can even feel the door shaking as someone's knocking on it,
but there's no feet at the bottom of the door, and the gap under
the door was quiet. You know, it's a few inches a bad Mexican
build, you know. Hm. So yeah, we literally just hid under
the covers and went to sleep. And that was that. I don't want
to know. I really don't want to know. Crikey, cry Well,
it's kind of the Jesus thing on their protection, I suppose, yeah,
exactly, yeah now, but the other girls sorry, actually they've seen it
as well. Yeah. They said that a guy would appear at the end
of the beds and if they if they all moved to the other bedroom,
the guy would sometimes appear in that bedroom just starting staring, so they would
actually run. They said that they would actually get up, screaming and run
past him. And it would happen if let's say these girls were went out
clubbing and they brought some other friends back to stay over, like a whole
group of them would see this guy, and they would actually run past them,
screaming and you know, go into the other bedroom, and then some
knights would reappear. Wow. But did he kind of climb it interact with
them in any way or was it just like an almost gormless staring specter.
I wondered about that, but they said it was just a gormless, motionless
specter if you stayed nice standing and staring at them. But I also heard
that one of them saw the guy when she was on holiday somewhere else hundreds
of miles away. Interesting, and he appeared in the hotel room. Nothing
hell, So that is weird. So was it Ian knocking at door?
I don't know. Yeah, that reminds me of this guy that I used
to be in a psychic developing circle in the late eighties. And this guy
called Brian. I think at the time. He's obviously retired now I know
he don't see these people out again, but I think he worked for British
Gas at the time. But he was in this psychic developing circle and we'd
all had a summer break type of thing. We're all getting back in back
in the suite of things like by September, starting the circle up again to
try and develop the past psychic abilities. And this guy and Brian said,
oh, yeah, I've just got back from two weeks in Italy or somewhere
like that, Mediterranean somewhere, and I just had a really weird experience.
And we said, well, what's up. Then he said, well,
I had a phone call from the hotel when I got back asking if I
was Brian such and such say, Brian Smith, I can't remember what its
earning was, yeah, and he'd say yeah, yeah, And they said
well, we're just kind of check in, because apparently this Brian said that
when he was in his hotel and he was like on the you know,
so many floors, you know, looking out over the pool sort of thing,
he said he woke up in the middle of the night and he said
he saw this guy in a tuxedo walk past him in the living room of
the of the room that he's got in the living room section, because he
could see him through the bedroom I supposed with the door, walked passed him
and then full over the balcony. And so when he checked out of the
hotel, you know, to say, he said, has anyone ever died
in that room? And they said no, no, nothing like that.
He said, oh okay, And he didn't say what he'd see, but
he just thought us a bit weird what I've seen that women. And so
when he got back to the UK, they'd run him like, you know,
five days later or something. He said, we're just checking because we
got some luggage to send back to the UK. But there was a man
that went into your hotel room after you, who happened to have the same
name, Brian Smith, and he fell to his death wearing a tuxedo from
from the room that you were in, and that is bizarre. And they
were ringing up to say, you know, we want to make sure we're
sending the luggage back to the right Brian Smith, and that's how he found
out the story. Yeah, so sadly, how does anyone explain something like
yeah, yeah, yeah, the skeptics out there, any steptis watching,
please please explain that. Yeah, literally, say well, it was a
coincidence. There was another guy called Brian, and of all the countries and
all the hotels in the world, he looked into that one and was depressed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's so many billions of people in the
world. It's got to happen at some point somewhere that that's probably what they'd
say. But even even so, it's still they would say that it won't.
It might explain the coincidence, but it doesn't explain the fact that he'd
seen this specter going past him. He said, yeah, a bit you
see before. So how multifaceted the whole phenomena, that's what you want to
call it is? Because I know that if you listen to Paul Sinclair from
Truth Proof, oh yeah, yes, he's at the point rees. He
believes that everything Woo related is probably one phenomena manifesting itself differently. But then,
how does that explain things that could be related to a stone tape theory
type slash times of the event like that, where you're seeing either something that
happened or is something that's going to happen. Yeah, yeah, I mean
that expands the subject even even further, doesn't It makes it even harder to
explain? Yeah? Yeah. And another thing that happened to this lady that
I used to work with many years ago in the eighties. I used to
work in a film library and she was one of the supervisors that repaired the
sixteen minute meter training films they are okay, Yeah. I mentioned this lady
in the last show funny Enough, because she had this spin hard story to
tell me. I remember that, the Russian thing. Yeah, yeah,
the stolen Russian film. Well, I won't say her name, but during
the other conversation she told me the Russian story, she said that she had
seen a ghost and I said, all right, tech me more. And
she said she was a teenager at the time, and she was like nearing
seventy. This is just before the pandemic. She told me this story.
And so she said that she was like perhaps eighteen or something at the time,
and she'd got away to death and nothing on holiday the family, and
she had stayed in the particular bedroom and it had a very small window in
this holiday cottage, and she could just about see the sea through the window,
and she said she went to sleep, but then she woke up in
the middle of the night she saw this old woman sitting in the chair right
by the bed, but her head was sort of I think it was slumped
over like that. She said, Okay, she looks at it and thought,
oh my god, it's a ghost and freaked out and like you said,
you know, put your head under the covers and just go to sleep,
and said she did about it, and then she woke up some point
later, maybe it's two or three hours later, and she sort of open
pulled back the covers and she looked at the window. She could see the
morning lights starting to come through the window on the siege because I was getting
morning. Then she remembered, hang on, I saw a ghost last night.
And she looked to her left and it was still there in the chair.
But at this time, yeah, this time, instead of the head
being down, she said, the head was looking up like that, and
she said it looked remarkably like her grandmother. And she said, I actually
watched it it started to disappear in front of her. Zach some kind of
was her grandmother still alive or was she already else this I think her grandmother
was still alive, and so I kind of I didn't say this at the
time to her, I said, oh, that's really interesting and scary at
the same time. Then I started to think about it and analyze it,
and I was thinking, Okay, if we go out of our bodies as
astral traveling or something when we're asleep, maybe and there's only a theory that
I put together, hypothetical idea that maybe her mother was wondering how they were
all getting on holiday and it was kind of concerned and missing them. Wait
for that postcard to I'm saying, we're happening in a last time, you
know, and maybe subconsciously the grandmother traveled out of her body sat in the
chair opposite where this lady was dozing as a young young teenager. And she
then at the point when the day is coming that people starting to wake up
this, Yeah, specter started to disappear and presumably go back to his body.
Yeah. I the grandmother back in London. That yeah, yeah,
yeah, subconsciously knew what was happening. Everyone was waking up and so she
yeah, yeah, and maybe sharing, maybe shared a dream of her family
or something. It didn't quite remember all the details, and just to think,
because sometimes you do have dreams where you just we I don't know if
you get this, but I get dreams where I'm stuck in a house somewhere
and I'm exploring the house, but you back into rooms and everything in there
is the same. And I've had dreams like that after taking Magic Mushroom microdocing,
and I'm actually stuck in a place that I can see and walk around
and it doesn't change when you're in a dream. That is an interesting thing
to try when you're dreaming, if you can consciously try and wake up within
a dream, or even if you do it with something additional, try it.
Try it and find the sun in your dream. Look out and see
if you can see it, because you never see it during a dream.
You just accept the light where it is. You don't even question it.
But we've been so hard to try and find the sun in my dream.
And so I did come awake a little bit within a dream, lucid dream
a little bit, and I remember saying, I want to see the sun.
I want to see the sun. And I saw this kind of crack
in the roof, like you know, like an would barn or something,
and where maybe some of the beams are missing, and I could see like
a tiny, tiny little star, and that is all I I felt in
the dream. That was all I was allowed to see was a tiny star
through lu I couldn't see the sun. And the reason I try and find
out is there a son in the dream is because according to people that come
through from the other side, people that are dead, they say that the
light comes from all around them. There doesn't seem to be a sun that
illuminates wherever they aren't. Yeah, the light is all around them, and
they've never seen the sun since they've died. And so I'm wondering, like,
when we're in the dream state, are we in the spirit world?
And this is one time I look for the sun just to kind of confirm
it. Yeah, it could be. I mean, I've got friends who
are psychics who say similar things and they think that when people take psychedelics that
they're going to the same realm that they tune into naturally. So it couldn't
be. It would make it makes sense if we would go into one place
in dreams and under you know, psychedelic experiences, etc. Yeah. Yeah,
it's just maybe I'm putting too much logic into something that doesn't work in
the way our minds do in the physical world. Well well, yeah,
when when you go into the dream world, nothing makes sense and so yeah,
it makes perfect sense on the other side and sip. But you know,
now you mentioned the microbe doses and you also said that this this particular
drug that you're well, what is this psychedelic story you got to do?
All? There's some sort of stuff out that use it in Mexico. Yeah,
So anyone watching who might be interested in Graham Hancock, for example,
has probably heard the word ayawaska, which is psychedelic from from the Amazon basically
which combines two plants. One plant contains something called DMT dimetal trips to mean,
which is a chemical that we have in our pineal glands. So it's
not chemical, it's and naturally occurring substance, and it's thought that when people
have so we share, we say we related experiences, that it's their pineal
gland releasing DMT. But the only trouble is if you eat processed foods,
alcohol, or you're smoking, pineal gland becomes enacted and so you don't get
released a d and T. But the DMT in the leaves of the plant
within the Ayawascar brew essentially gives you that experience. It's psychoedelic experience. It's
also worth mentioned in that in our stomachs, apparently there's an enzyme which Graham
Handcock often talks about, and that enzyme stops you from being able to ingest
d MT and have a psychedelic experience. So the second ingredients of ia Wascar
switches off that enzyme so that you can take the plant, medicine, et
cetera, and then have that psychedelic experience. And this is something that my
wife's got into and she's now become a full blown psychedrth. She's now part
of a shamanic group and the stories that she tells me, it's just incredible.
And I've also been doing awasca, but only in the microdcing forms for
a while, but I do plan to join that group when I return to
Mexico eventually. But for anyone who doesn't know, awasca is used for like
a number of things, it's hard to explain to people that it takes you
to a spiritual realm where you can be healed physically and emotionally and spiritually.
That is a hard thing to explain to the average person on the street and
just won't believe what you're telling them. Apart from that, there's also other
benefits that you can get, which I also get through microdocing, which is
like increased focus and a better mood. For example, once you start taking
it, it's very hard to feel depressed or unmotivated. It's not like you're
under the influence of the drug. It sort of makes you have a tendency
to lean towards being productive and solving problems and always just being nicer, if
that makes sense. It just brings out the best in you without giving you
a sort of drug related chemical experience. I can recommend it to anyone,
but I don't think it's legal outside of Mexico, which is a shame,
because you know, I think it could save a lot of people a lot
of misery because it also treats depression, and there are a lot of people
study and I what'scar right now in the medical professions because they've discovered that it
can create brand new neural pathways and the brain added. It seems to stand
if somebody is addicted to say heroin or alcohol, and after a few sessions,
they don't have that need in their body anymore because they've been treated spiritually.
On the spiritual side, they've been shown the damage that they're doing to
themselves, and they're made to feel the pain in a way that affects them,
and they're shown the damage that they're doing to other people, and they're
made to feel the pain that they put on other people. But at the
same time, it's rebuilding their neural pathway so they don't even need or think
about the substances that they were addicted to. But what I've noticed, Neil,
in the last year in the Daily Fail, there's been a lot of
articles damning ayahuasca and saying this person took it and they ended up committed suicide
after they took it. And I genuinely think that this is a campaign to
stop people from being able to help themselves and improve themselves. Because you read
those stories, they're horrific, and they're designed to be horrific. They're designed
to make you think, I'm not touching that because the average you know,
the average guy in the UK. You know that the Three Counties copany is
going to read that article and say, oh, I'm not going to touch
that. Make you leave it out, you know what I mean. And
they they're going to miss out on an experience that can improve an aspect of
their life that wouldn't be improved otherwise. M reminds me of something called lden.
I don't even ever heard of that. It's called loaddose now taxine,
Okay, we not heard that. Yeah, it is legal. It's perfectly
legal to take. And apparently it was discovered by this guy in the nineteen
eighties who's now passed on, and he was a doctor or something, but
he was helping people with heroin addiction and apparently this now checks and it's what
they give them to stop them having that light switches off the connections in the
brain, which sells a little bit like, well, you're describing just there
with a sand story, similar, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, so
I take it as well because it's good for sort of inflammation. It switches
off your brain for inflammation, all sorts of things like that, and it's
it's I would say it's a cure all but it seems to treat people for
a lot of different things. Ld N. There's a whole kind of discussion
page on various forums about it, and that's how we found out about it.
So we usually sorry, the what's the ingredients, what's what's in?
Not absolutely sure of yourself because I'm not sort of a chemical person really,
but now check scene a low dose. Now check scene now treck scene that.
Yeah, low dose. So you get it into small doses, light
saying microdoses are good and I just take like three drops, but you'd have
to find they say you're sweet spot. So you kind of start off small
over period of maybe a week to ten days. Then you increase the amount
of drops on your timeue and it's a pipette, right. The most common
side effect is that maybe in the first couple of days, usually on the
first day only, you get a bit of a headache and depending on okay,
but once you get past that stage, you're actually on your way sort
of thing, and you know, within a few months, you know like
any inflammations or aches and pains or arthritical problems kind of reduced. I wouldn't
say it cures it, but continued taking of it seems to reduce those sorts
of problems and that's very good. It does so direct similar to magic mushrooms
and and I Waston microdocin Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard about magic
mushrooms. They're they're researching into Canada or something like that. My son,
my son was telling me about it. Okay, yeah, he's tried the
magic mushrooms and I think they're making it legal in the UK or maybe in
Scotland. I don't know because heaves in Edinburgh, so I'm assuming yeah,
he's for legal reasons, but he told me about it's amazing it. My
kids have to educate me on he seeing the world the world at large.
So when when they take this in Mexico, do they do they think they
could try to think where they solve their problems on this inner level with it?
Do they come out then of that trippy forlike for want of the bet
of a word, with the ability to then physically solve their problems or issues
or Yeah, this is what people find hard to believe and it kind of
links in with the story that you told once. I think it was like
a psychic focus group operating in a basement where the guy would fix people's problems
through the spirit world, but they would fix them physically. Similarly, there
was a there's a building in Mexico City, and apartment building that was built
by an English guy, and there was a lady in there whose class as
a witch and she was doing something similar in the early nineteen hundred and a
guy went to live with her to debunk her, and he said that through
like spiritual and psychedelic means, she was manifesting organs and fixing people. And
he stayed with her for the rest of his life and documented all of this.
I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Nah, No,
that's interesting. I came acus. I'll have to look up some links for
you. But I came upcaus it quite randomly last month in Mexico City,
and I saw this lady on street doing like a play at night, some
people watching her, and she was right in front of this building and it's
almost like a sort of gothic key apartment building. And yeah, that they
mentioned. They explained to us what it was, so we looked it up
and apparently this guy spent his whole life eventually becoming her apprentice, and she
was doing something similar with like shamanic rituals to manifest and transplant organs into able
too were badly in need of operations that probably have killed them through regular surgeon.
It sounds hard to believe until you look into it, and then yeah,
it's to explain. Yeah, the story, and I'm kind of I
can't remember his name now, but he was the guy that I'm thinking of
was he was for a time a fireman in his life, and then he
started to mess around with the Awiji board in the downtime at the fire station,
and a message came true that said basically about his baby that had died
was okay and being cared for in the spirit world. But they said that
a doctor will work with you in the future. And later on it transpired
that this doctor who was a doctor of Moorefield's Eye Hospital Bega I forget his
name, who had died like maybe six years earlier, was now coming through
entrance through this guy who was the fireman, and he would starting to do
like psychic operations on people, and he said. How he did it was
that he would lift their spirit out of their body and then he would operate
on the spirit body and then lower it back down into the physical body.
And this guy traveled around the world doing healing on people with the aid of
this doctor spirit from Moorfield's Eye Hospital. Although he's from Moorfield's Eye Hospital,
he was a doctor as well, so he wasn't just doing eyes and things.
Yeah, I think they called it the Middlesex Hospital when he was actually
there, and it lateran's Mollfield's Eye Hospital. But it was interesting because he
would he would travel all around the country and around the world do it,
and even doctors would send their own patients to this guy because they said,
we don't know what else to do. And then even doctors themselves who were
trying to treat them selves for illnesses would then go and see this guy to
get treated and yeah, they they are an amazing results. And how the
people explain that, I just don't know. Again, skeptics would always have
an answer, yeah, yeah, and it's not even worth going into that,
I guess. No. Well, that's that's the thing about skeptics there.
I mean, you know, you're it's always The funnier thing is that
skeptics that explain how it's all done at a psychic demonstration or a mediumship demonstration,
how it's all done, but they've never actually been to the demonstration themselves
actually see it being done. They don't need to do they no, they
don't need no. I mean, the things I know from my own personal
experiences as as mediums will tell you. I suppose that the mediumship is real
because when I'm doing it themself, I'm getting the images in my head clayable
enty. I'm not taking anything for it, no drugs or anything. It's
literally tuning in and doing something. Now, I'm not saying that I could
just be in the stream, go clean, I'll do a reading on something
like that. You have to get in the right kind of state. And
it's like staying well, you have to get in the right state to have
a dream. You can't just go, oh, I think I'll have a
dream and it sort of like shut your eyes and you're having a dream.
Yeah, you know, you have to relact your mind. Your mind drifts
offtics into the state and alpha state, and eventually you go into that dream.
Well, so it takes a bit of time with mediumship. It takes
a little bit time to get into that state, and the more he starts
to do it, the more it starts to happen, and then ball starts
to roll and to get things coming through. But it's the skeptic will not
understanding it that because they'll just think that you're cold reading or something, you
know. Yeah, and they won't bother look here, they won't bother going
in deep yeah, yeah, which is what the guide did in Mexico City
to stay with the lady that they called the Witch. He made the effort
to go in and see what's happening, and once he actually saw it and
understood it, that's why he stayed for the rest of his dates. It's
affected so deeply affected his world view and his understanding of reality. Stayed,
never went back. But as for the Ayawascar experiences, yeah, I'm always
being pressed to go for the full experience because I've always suffered from visual migraine,
which is where you go partially blind for an hour and then you get
like the worst hangover in the world. And I'm told that that can be
stopped permanently through Ayawascar. So really interesting. Yeah, because I'll let you
know how that goes adventure. No strange thing is I had almost no migraines
since I've started taking the microdovcing interesting, which is strange. But the only
side effects of microdacing and this is a bit woo. And you notice this
starts and stops when you're taking it or not taking it, is you can
be making a cup of tea and there's someone standing next to you and you
just think, oh my gosh, you so I'm round if there's no one
there, And that happens a lot, and you really feel like a presence
for a second, really be jumped in. I don't know if that's because
you're tuning into things on another level. And I can be sitting at my
desk and I'll have like people whizzing past me just very quickly, or I'll
see something, you know, in the reflection of the monitor, but there's
no one there, you know. And I've done experiments with not taking it
for a while and that does go away. So I don't know if a
side effect is can tune into something different, could be I know that on
the first time my wife evertook it, she said that at the ceremony they
had a mass share in USO experience like as the substance starts to kick in
slowly. The first thing that happened before they had any other kind of visual
experience was that they noticed craft in the sky of different shape, sizes,
colors, movements, and they're all describing the same thing. But of course,
you know, if she's not there, and you know you're a skeptic,
you're not going to believe it. But when you hear them talking about
it with such passion because they were there and they were affected by it,
you can't help believe them. And this leads on to something else about the
eyewaspar experience, which is kind of unbelievable, which is that a lot of
people wake up the next morning. This is in my wife's group at least,
and they say they had a whole night's journey of being explained to them
that they're actually an extraterrestrial from another galaxy, you know, the universe,
that they're on planet Earth to be given a human experience to learn something that
their spirit needs to progress, and so they're actually not human and they'll never
incarnate as a human being again and haven't before, and this is their one
experience on earth. Wow, So how do you how do you explain that?
That sounds very doctor doctor Stephen greerish, doesn't it? Yeah, would
Stephen Greer do? I was sturoid? I don't know. He's as a
medical doctor. I think he would probably come around to it, you know,
understanding drugs and the effects, and I think probably would be open to
it. Yeah, he's very spiritual sort of guy by by sort of stuff.
He's talked about his friends that had died and he sort of fills their
spirit or something like that. So he seems to be quite open to the
idea of spirit and which is introding it. And talking of Stephen Greer,
it's interesting that it's a shame that he wasn't invited to these these eyewitness testimonies
or whatever they called it in Washington. He seems to be the guy that
kind of tried to get the ball rolling years ago, and there has now
been left left out of it. Really, his original conference was like ten
fifteen years ago now it was in twenty in two thousand, I think,
yeah, because what happened, he said that they did it like in the
July of two thousand. They're they're their Washington Press Club thing where they're getting
like twenty witnesses to swear on the Bible or whatever it was, all swear
an allegiance or whatever they were swearing on and then talk about the Yeah,
yeah, the United States of America. That's it. And he said that
what happened, it was all going well, and then nine to eleven happened
like a month later, and it all got buried under all that, and
it's kind of comedia about Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean the White
House saw it on TV and they said it's time to bring out the energy
with Yeah, that's we can't cover this. Yeah, let's drop a lot
of ayawasker and bring out an energy weapon. Yeah, what what's your what's
your take on this? Uh? This this eyewitness disclosure things been happening in
Washington with David Grush and the other people and stuff. I think it's interesting
that we've had a strange couple of months uthology wise with the balloons and other
objects over Alaska that they shot down. Yeah, yeah, See to me,
it kind of looks like a narrative playing out, it does, doesn't
it. Yeah, And I have a hard time I know that Ben weren't
like me saying this. But I have a hard tign with anyone that goes
on mainstream media with anything to say. I just I just can't trust it.
As much as I love the subject of euthology, and as much as
I know that there are so many people out there with genuine stories and experiences,
anyone that comes from any of the services, so just being mean.
Was that that guy was in the Was it the Navy or the Air Force?
The Air Force? David garis Air Force. I just find it hard
to trust them, especially if you consider the fact that this is playing out.
You know, one week we've got balloons, then we've got UFO,
which they don't tell us what the nature of them was, and now we've
got this playing out on mainstream news. There could be so many reasons.
Why is it a distraction for you know, covering up Hunter Biden's tax evasion
at Napstop scandal or is it that sorry don yeah, God saying now it's
always It could be loads of distractions. But it's interesting. I was watching
David like the other day and he was talking about the fact that it could
be Verna von Brown's warning about a fake Elian invasion, and it was just
about to say that he wrote a book. Apparently. I never realized this
until I saw this uh David like kind of briefing where he talked about a
book, a fictional bookvon Brown wrote about setting up a Mars colony. And
the guy in the book who set up the Mars colony was a guy called
Elon. Yeah, yeah, And I thought, my god, it's just
that's pretty cute as well, wasn't it. Yeah, that is true,
freaky. I didn't know that about the book either. No, no,
it's as first news to me. But but according to to according to Wyke,
he's saying it may be this Bernavon Brown warning is now coming to fruition
and so like the narrative who describe the balloons to kind of get it in
our head about oh, I don't identify find objects being led down the garden
path. We shot some objects down. Then literally a few months later we're
getting this guy come and say, yeah, then America's got these down craft
and and you're giving all this information. I mean, the thing that I
find a bit weird is that if it is true and they are being honest
and saying, you know, we've got to look into it, they can
have a bit of a problem because they've then got open up all the presents,
but we're asking for them to open up, and that's a lot of
presents talking about animal mutilations, all the negatively. Yeah, it's not all
up a light vindicated. Yeah yeah. And are they gonna try and separate
the wheat from the chaff on that? I don't know. It makes you
wonder how they would roll it out logistically, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah,
bearing all those factors in mind. But I tell you what then,
I don't know if you ever look on Instagram and TikTok much. I mean,
I only use them for promoting music, But there's a lot of videos
that come up where people are filming the sky in the United States and they're
saying, what's wrong with the sky? And it's split down the middle and
it can be like dark on one side of light on the other, with
a straight line right from the horizon to space. And there are quite a
lot of these videos around And are they fake again to spread the word at
something weird going on in the sky or are they real? Because sometimes I'm
thinking, how do they get all these different people to be looking at something
and they just seem to be random people off the street, people approaching it
a crosswalk, So sometimes it makes me think they must be looking at something.
Is that is that blue bean? Or is that Are they going to
say that's part of alien tech, but there's going to be a threat that
really is blue beam and that they're doing everything. There are so many possibilities
on the Yeah, yeah, well, I'm going to watch with interest and
see how this plays out. Apparently Crusher so that he was going to give
all the names of the witnesses that give him given him the information, but
he has to do it behind closed doors, and see I don't trust me.
Yeah, I mean, that's apparently happened. Now he's mentally going to
secure safe room or whatever they call it where he can give all the information.
Now it's interesting because they could have asked that information before he actually testified
it. Jeff Are who went out on public but he said of it publicly,
so that all the public are aware that he's got this information. Is
it's a deliberate fee to the public. And you know, if it sounds
like we're being told we are, I think we are being butted up for
something. They wouldn't do this. You know it's not an accident that,
oh my god, he's broken all these loopholes to get this to the stage.
I think the path has been smoothed over a little bit to get to
this point. Definitely, somebody somewhere is engineering it. Yeah yeah, And
like the balloons and things like that. That's that's like the appetizer, that's
the warm up movie. It to like just put it into our heads.
It's the first five minutes of Independence Day. Yeah. Yeah, it's fuzzy.
It's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out in the autumn.
Anyway, I think we're going to have to call this a close now.
Although normally the Paranormal Peep Show runs for nearly two hours, but I've got
an early start in the morning and stuff, And I know that if Andy
was here would be I wasking a one hundred and twenty more questions. But
I know that I want to try and get another editing onto this because I'm
hopefully going to meet up with Mark and Irene this coming Saturday. They're the
founders of the Paranormal UK radio network. Mark is coming over to the UK
for a visit. I know he's going to visit Stonehenge with Ivory, and
so I'm going to try and meet them near Stonehenge at a pub. So
I said, I'll take it on my camera, my audio recorder and maybe
we could do a little round the table discussion of the public. It doesn't
get too noisy, So I'm going to hopefully populate part two of the show
with some of that as well, so it won't just be our discussion,
it will be a few other things as well. So i'd like to see
Thank you Gary for your time anyway, for spending time to chat to me,
and I know i'd like to do a part two with you as well
as some point I've covered almost nothing, if barely scratched. Yeah, I
know, I know we've barely scratched the surface. I know. I think
the t other as we were waffling on too much about Hamil Hempstea, the
Deliza Hamill Hempsky. It may have a more interesting show and yeah, more
stuff in the can for next time. Absolutely it puts Hemill Hempsted on the
map as well as Mexico. That's the way I see it. It does.
Yeah, all right, well, thank you once again Gary, and
we'll listen out for some of you or music on various shows. What show
can we listen out for it? When? When that might be streamed?
Anything that we got a kind of well, have your name in the credits?
Do you think, Well, if it's a movie, have it has
my name in the credits, But it was a TV show, they generally
leave leave it out. But if anyone's interested, look me up on Spotify
as the Deathbeats, which is my current band name, which is a project
which is retro synth drum and bass and eighty synth wave. That is my
most popular musical alias excellent. All right, we'll do that, thank you
very much. Indeed, Gary Robinson, and we'll catch you next time on
the Paranormal Peep Show. Hopey, a couple of months down the road,
and maybe you'll be back in Mexico by then. I don't know that.
Yeah, we'll see see, let's see how we get on. All right,
nice one, Thank you so much, take care brother bye bye.
Well, as I mentioned they're in part one, I did actually meet up
with Mark and Irene at a pub outside Stonehenge and we decided to record our
second part of our show actually in the pub. So it's a bit of
a drift down memory lane. Like the Copper and Ball's pubs that we used
to have recordings with, this is for real, this time actually in a
real life pub. So listen out for myself, Mark and Irene and Irene's
husband Brian, as we all have a round the table chat enjoy. Hey
everybody, that's Mark Johnson and we are here in person. I wish I
could say it was at our standard pub, well, the Copper and Ball.
We're actually the swan in in Stufford in the way the United Kingdom,
and I'm here with Irene our and they'll get his ward, Irine's husband Brian,
which here here having a chat of course, talking about all things strange
and unusual here in the land of Merlin. King Arthur and all yeah that
okay, then I don't know that because hey, we're over in Wales and
we yeah, you're staying in and Carl Wall was staying well, we're here.
He's just been to stonehand Lord just visit a stone hinge today, very
lovely makes little world for Marylyn Bob. Bob gave me take a sponge and
Monday kid Lady Castle where parts of the Monty Python film was Old Lady.
Yeah, that's mine with the rabbits, Yeah, with the French, with
the French, the friend the French. Yeah, least since I've seen that.
So what was your thoughts on Stonehenge mob It's beautiful. I mean,
I'm out. I loved Neolithic sites. Yeah, and oh Stonehenge. Ch
I've always wanted to visit in person. It's kind of funny though, because
I visit these sites it's like old hat. Yeah. I love visiting these
old places, and because they do give off such a name ergy and I'm
of course very fascinated with the building techniques, not what they tell us how
they were made, but yeah, they were really made. Yeah, well
do you see would why? Yeah? Yeah, well they certainly weren't chipped
away by Stone Age people with copper tools transported with logs on rollers. If
you looked at the actual blue standing and saying why, I was like,
oh fool And even though they're in being lops, need to just come of
chick them out eating lay up a lot. Is there like a big Stonehenge
gap in the commits? Yeah, but have a bullet spot. Yeah,
but we weren't you seeing some of these stonies came over from whales? Yeah,
which on minus one it's been well, so where how in the heck
would they transport them? Well back a couple of hours, they just BC.
I think I think they will built on boardies on came from That's what
I'm sure I saw something out frupted new stones came on bars is it the
severets? And then they were but they're so big as so many tons and
a will put them taught and pulled by ops and old season on sorts.
So they say, well, yeah, I mind the blue signs. You
know if you go to see the blue signs and wells when your baylim and
they actually still to you. That's interesting. When Blake we were talking about
the crystall line structure something in the granite. Now that's interesting because I'm we
intercuwed Q Newman for our show last year. Oh yeah, yeah, doing
stones Heat and he talks about giants on record, and he said there's been
giants skeletons found around everywhere and in the UK, and apparently giant skeletons have
been found if memory serves me correct, around the Stonehenge area. And there's
another lady we interview a few years ago called Maria Wheatley, who also talks
about we've got Adam Marie. Yeah, and she talks about some guy that
saw beams of energy. I can't remember the Stonehenge or from Stone Circles and
the guy that she said report it was a very straight laced kind of kernel
type or something that was. It might have been even an engineer. But
but it was very interesting what she said. But certainly the official English Heritage
version of Stonehenge, it's very different from the undercurrent systoneings that we're hearing about.
Yeah, well that's typical of mostly historic state. Yeah, yeah,
specially when as what we were talking about earlier, the flat that while the
stones they're flat, yea, and they will be not better. They're all
like down through time and put back together. How they think how they think
it looked like m that's right, that's right. There are for those listening.
There are pictures in existence if you find them, I presume on the
internet. I've certainly seen some of the early part of the twentieth century where
it shows them actually hoisting the stones back up, putting them into a place.
And they may not be actual in the place that there were five thousand
years ago. They might be off slidely but it's their best guests. And
that's not the only set of stones that are being resurrected. There is the
Abury Stone Circle in the village of Abury, and many of those stones were
laying flat, and I believe there's a story going around where again a real
weekly is the expert on this talk about there's a stone that they sound and
underneath it it was a skeleton. I think it's the barber skeleton. It
was called so forward because they had a leather rape and simply he had either
like barber tools in there and a pair of glass squad But apparently when they
were trying to hoist these stones up in the Middle Ages, got them upright,
this one clapped back down on him. He was the unluppy guy that
got it. So no one so they can get a new barbary. Yeah,
there was a vacant sick but yeah, I mean, did you feel
any kind of energies as you went around? I personally did not, but
there were so many people around. Yeah, we really couldn't get close enough.
I mean, parts more interestingble and all the birds sitting up on the
styles. When I was a kid, least playlists back in the fifties.
Yeah, I used to feel the valgrations for the spault mark could were people
climbing up onto the top thine other ones up, Yeah, burn down.
Let's kids don't and mom and dad always bought vicknick Yeah. Yeah, a
friend minds. Yeah, there are a bit old admitters that they remember having
picnics at stone Ende. Yeah. Us, interesting thought because it's just totally
I wanted I really want to deal to Firstly, well, well, too
bad, I didn't realize that. Honestly, I didn't realize it would still
be so far away. Yeah, so far away and so many people.
You know now that you know, you don't drive up to it, the
driving you had to shuttle bus. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot
of controversy back in the late nineties early two thousand because I think English Heritage
were planning to build like an underpart something that's correct. Yeah, And a
lot of people are posted, isn't that I think it was overturned and so
much traffic goes through that road. Well, so I'm duty some summers and
we'll just it's just blown. Yeah, and it just creates too much crop
bus with the stones and yeah, and in the build an underpart. Yeah,
it goes through there and they objected strongly and yeah, yeah, because
it would divert a lot of yes. Yeah, plus you don't know which
are going to hit, let's face it. That's one of the things that
we're learning about lately. Town much stuff is sort of buried undergrown. Yeah.
And whenever they have an archeological fine, it's usually because they're doing some
kind of construction and Diggie absolute and then they find bones, they find ARTI
bat see it buying gardens, yeah, yeah, and they're only given a
certain amount of time to that's wrong, and folks roll fitting and lobby for
the construction is completely Yeah. I've got an interesting funny story and I won't
say his name. My brother's marriage to a Welsh girl, as I said,
and he lives in Wales now. His father in law is a retired
builder and apparently he had found something like a tour down the end of his
garden uck, you know, winstone thing covered leaves and him digging around it
thrives them. They'd off some f but the skeleton and the add spurs on.
He seemed to be like a kind of cavalier a night or the or
cavalier type of guy over the sword. He had spurs on his shoes and
everything like that, and he's to stay at the end of the garden.
So what would you think he's going to do the responsibly cool up Welsh heritage
or whoever it might be. How can he come and ship out to night?
Now? What he got as a bin bag? I JuffEd in the
big and drove it to the dumb. Yeah. He just kept quiet about
it. Yeah, because he knew that if he called in those people,
this project is going to get stars. Yeah. Yeah, they're just lots
of farmers. Do that before they fire. Yeah yeah, suver it up
and keep quiet because they're all that's staring like, yeah, yes, there's
there's SAPs. The story that in the No speed on on the Primes he
had a guy's doing some drying work and he's uncovered it on the floor.
Wow, funnel it this one now, I think press Quarter what a site.
When I was tublers Wells, as you know, I lived in the
Orchy Islands for five years. My daughter still lives up in the Orkney Islands,
which is a group of islands off the north coast of Scotland. Everyone
calls it the Orkney is but you get told off by them. They don't
hike it. It's got to be called the Orkney Islands or Orkney because it's
a county technical And there was a farm on that discovered a I don't know.
Yeah, he felt that the ground was slightly followed when every time he
was driving his machinery, everybody it's fell kind of here, bit spongy or
something. So he shoved the pole down and he just heard going and going
and going. So eventually sharp corksdown and he found a whole bloody tomb under
his garden, and so he called in people and discovered that it was actually
a burial site within his garden, and there was like skeletons of eagles as
well as human bones. It became none locally as the two of the equal
thrown out. It's a tourist site up in the Orkney running and it's on
this guy's land. It's not like run by the Historic Scotland Group. It's
his own private kind of blady for But in Orkandy there's there's blades galore everywhere.
A look, you know there's a bump of drivings. I mean,
we went for at a dig on the isle of Westray where we live,
and and they were holding a special come and meet the archaeologist state. So
the thought, oh, we're going to chat to them about that, you
know us. So we wrote these little bumps to them and got got there
and the guide was saying, yeah, we've found all these bones here in
this house. And this house goes back about three thousand years. But the
interesting thing is is that it's it's like houses upon houses on houses over the
centuries. So the present house that's here today was built in the nine in
the thirties, and the people that live in that house now are the descendants
of these neolithic people that live right here next door. You know that's in
free because they've just kept living on the same side. Yeah, but he
said there's a whole village behind him. What we said, go where it
is the village He says, oh, you just grow bot it bucks where
people and buildings and yeah, yeah, this is quite Yeah, I think
it's been given anything given a look a stylized historic bot. It's absolutely a
folks listen more on on front hoole. Yeah, there's something that means across
as large come listened new someone. It's just so drifted cost shadow I think
really slamson and through the draft. But I think that's the door. It's
all enhanced it should we storry? Yeah? Yeah, happy new bind.
This would all be paked. There's no paints facing the good mark out,
scrows or nails would be would one eight off bow It probably won't be safe
now, oh yeah they restoped gitting So and here we say a hundred years
old what did you say on that website? And we looked up with the
decided to come to this one. I don't remember seen it's in place.
Good passaging. Come and start messaging saying now I'm just eat tan pubs around
stone into something. It was probably used by the deeper Stone in the old
fox around lens. Wait wait, but when you said all day, you
know, allowing there'll be some blocks in the place. Yeah, you're ready
for a poll beer on the in. But the old ocean runs or something
like that because it is on ze road. Cool, and you've got that
big old barn back directly. You've been sort of fables. Yeah, pluzzing
airs. Why it took us were found out a lot of lands my experience,
depending on who you speak to, they take over a pub and they
don't know much about it and where I used to live and there was a
very very old pub there that they had found I think in the mid nineteen
nineties when they were doing some renovations. The actually found some original drawings on
the upstairs walls that have been drawn by someone. But it was drawings.
And I think the technical word film is cartoon, but obviously we we think
of carltings and animation but not lines walls. And they picked my hats of
the seventeenth century about Dick Tuk and type of house on inner drawings. And
this guy that took hold of the pub was kind of moan me, No,
I can't paint over it. I want to plan and give it a
pain on all too, because this has been framed in grass and yeah there's
heritage and was some listed building. And these pupa means they just want to
like salberhold on, Oh my god, that rain coming down. Well we'll
get another fruit yep ys for a real the texture. Yeah za, yes,
I got the same thing you did part Yeah. What about if they
do an alcohold on mom alcoholic, I'd appreciate be coore on wine. Yeah,
yeah, yep, and come on, witness. They didn't admit it,
but a bird's getting meaningful. Yeah it is. I've read some It
is like the rainiest August on record for a long long time, and normally
August has really fought, isn't it. Yeah, okay, because my daughter's
birthday is lang in the middle of August, and we have always remembered really
really off with the birthday. So and the thought, it's supposed to be
really nice tomorrow and the week right, why happened it stoics tomorrow because we're
going in the dark. Yeah, we're gonna sit under theo if it's nice.
I've fountain and they're going to think fast by at the back line,
I said the girls. Then change it to a bottle because Pett the boat
with the straw, and then when to stay. We're off to London,
to London, and so y'all making it to London. I thought that,
yeah, don't fut touch what? Yeah, the original basically we're gonna stay
got rented out and we weren't going to go. And then Brian actually knew
about the cheap hotel ran outside the area that one could take keep training and
we'll see some fakes excellent, it'll just be ant Renes. Yeah, Buckingham
parious. I remember showing an American friend of mine around London about fifteen years
ago. When we were it was first of mind seemed Buckingham Palace and I
saw it. I thought perct ilsot. It said, because really huge,
But it's not. It doesn't look so huge once you're actually there. Yes,
we've got a roll. The actual real house, Buckingham House was owned
by Lord Buckinghall Stacking, so it just dark kingdo King Charles all this summer
are they married and said they'll like this seeing marriage Queen shall Are They pulled,
we wanted a resident at Seeing London just because all the palaces were outside
London. So I walked you residence in London for her. So well,
Buckingmill soccer ball clipboard, that is only that little. Over the years he
renovated and made it big, girl and a success has made it big and
well it's a big court yard in the middle. Yeah, and the whole
house goes around over two hundred bedulso whether the original bucking House not bucking in
Paris, the original bucking House had sixty rounds. This is over two one
now and but then original buck little house. Do you know what you see
on the television in the balcony and all that lending the carriage whi he goes
through into the courtyard at the back right opposite that is bucking horse, right
piece with big wings coming off of it. I see and seeing. Yeah,
it is my big when we speaking of it that way, Yeah,
it's the biggest bottleline one one I haven't Yes, yeah, with the land
as well is yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember when a bit showed
my American friend round fifteen years ago. We traveled through the tubes of London.
Obviously to get to these places, I said, okay, you want
to see Big Bay and you want to see something okay, and so were
plotting it all now and we came across a buscut in the it wants to
see my uncle at the all right, why is it that would be fascinating
make land. We came across a busk in the London underground playing his guitar
and she'd had the same one before. She goes, oh, cool the
oscar. I said, yeah, I said what I said, Oh,
we have a traditioned here in the UK. It's that when you can I
let thank you when you put some money in that is making you know,
guitar case or whatever. You've got to give a bound like that to hear,
of course, and she does really said, you know you got to
give a bow as it customed you will do it was considered roomed. If
you don't do it, she should go out. Okay, okay. She
threw some coins that she kept a creepy power like that sort of going,
oh, there's just crack about alarm and she looked round at me. You
won't get Yeah, never gave me stay around Londo and that's the lesson London
let anymore. But yeah, I guess you might see the change in the
guard. I don't know when they do that. Is that midweek or turn
the dog ran by every guy? Yeah? Yeah, you guys do not
go sevening for three or four days broke, no easually faint before that's you
pass out. Not Yeah, and I think they'd be drenched as rats by.
You know, if the weather stays like the way it is now.
If Buckingham Palace wanted, I know, Hampton Court is nothing. That's the
only part of a palace, So yeah, pal is right right now,
Hampton Court I remember going to the well I used to go there as a
kid as Yeah, yeah, black holes. Is it Anne Bonne that goes
around games about suppose? So she goes everywhere. What's that castle near where
we used to live by? What's that castle where I'm boloin is up there?
Well we are somebody? You did the castle? That was her family?
Hung jees myself? So should they told the shot hold the terror?
Thought? Sure? Yeah, yeah. There must be various versions of yeah,
yeah, well I suppose there's a ghost. You can literally just plansport
yourself from one location to another. I was telling my wife's the other day
about your ghost story, and I said, well, because I was hoping
she'd be here and I'll I'll get Iron to tell you about the mysterious stranger
they picked up when they were going to the airport, and so I told
her about it, but I said, I'll find get you to say it.
So can't you say it? For the benefit both my wife and listening
to the game souse, I found it fascinatescating. Yeah, we were on
the way to Bristo away Paul, because my cousin in Scotland had just died
and his funeral was on that day and we had to get a flight up
to him Scotland and back in one day. Were we flow up and back
these other dogs and well I could only get it from Bristol airport. So
we are driving through all these company names, crossing him for drums in his
country, and I sent your weading towards the April woman. We're just going
and going. But it was about four o'clock in the morning and we had
to be at the airport buying six or five April or something. And I
like because it was I think in six o'clock flom it. Yeah, And
it was a misty cold January morning, freeze or cold. And we go
dad, all these little lanes and nothing but hedge rowers will going past us
in either there was no houses, they wed drums and then our other or
this man appears and he's walking along, so I said, quickly, quick
stop and last him all the way. So we had asked him how to
get to the airport. He said, al, he said, it's all
away from me. He said, I have to show me a car.
Before we could say that. He's got the car. Let's just stroll down.
Sitting behind me. There's a strangers sitting behind where and he's driving and
laugh. It wasn't he could stab us in the buffon eight. He could
do anything. Sound sitting like there's top trying to talk to give Naomi,
and I said to right here, turn left out and there's certain other We
get to the airport, and just before we get to the short stay color
part, he says, stop here, we'll get up. Listen. Well,
how are you going to get back? Don't worry, he said,
I can get back there all right, mort cool looking, good roles for
him in the car weekly walls and I turned around to Brian's and sift some
bigicism fair and you know, the ves some money or something other to Brian
and Inson something back if you're no where to be seen, nowhere to be
seeing that he got out of the car, got out of the car.
He got out of the car as well. Okay, you honestly you were
talking to him. You turned to Brian. When you look back, then
it's astonished. So about a week later it was bothering me. About a
week later I said to Grime, we still argue over this. Now.
You sent that post that we picked up on the way to Crystal Airport,
said, what what did you wake for? What to use? What did
he look like to you? Psychament descriptions totally different to this personal that's weird.
He said he had a bag. I said he did another bag?
Used to they had glasses, He didn't have falses. Why a whate beard
grosses had you said? He was very smartly dressed and not not smartly devil
brute, but he just got will to me. You know, it's a
great hand silver because someone like pain me and he had like a well what
do they call me? Something? Are like, yeah, yeah, an
ANIRECTI and he he said that he used to walk from the airport back to
Bristol. You should come out to a clocking mounding. It's a long way
to walk. Yeah. Yeah. They used to deal with the lines,
no wonder he knew his weight as airport. Yeah. But the point is
you're jumped for you exocistically all right, it was we al to step to
the airport when he got out of car disappeared. Were not a living cur
Yeah? Have they got were there? Probably totally lost? And the point
is the past the others been up in Scotland a dark my favorite passing.
Okay, and if I haven't the being at a funeral, I would have
been devastated. The andy We've all have liked it. So does I keep
yourself the Guardian angel type pool? Yeah, that's interesting well with the basket.
Yeah, in their land show, the way she's bloodyns together. That
there's the fact that you too will saw somebody completely different. Yeah yeah,
yeah and him chi Yeah, that's a bit at the airport me is that's
just agree. It would be interested if you could retrace steps go at Bristol
every fee if he's walking the streets again early hours. Well yeah, actually
been back to Bristol, would be out to Italy. Yeah, well if
we can go at root, yeah, the right root. Have they been
talked a little weakly? Bristol's best kept seat that yeah. And so there's
another ghost story that I like and jewels, but well I don't think it's
the technically, I suppose it wouldn't be a ghost because bluff, he's looking
through your son's house in it was in London and you saw this blade or
someone the flat No, that beig house, it's been averted into flat and
young arts when she saw you? Yeah one minute doctors a lemon, Yeah,
lemon Any. She my dear what it was a beautiful house, absolutely
good, beautiful house. I loved it. I would have bought it as
it was, but a friend of Brian's bought it and they decided to turn
it into apartments. Well that's actually and are not picked down and she'll six
houses. Right, there was a monkey puzzle, true, I should right
house their preservational and Middley's partner chopped it down, so all the plan stop
there Ryan playing stake that just kept it feelings because he just went in there
on a satt. He was he's a bully, this guy. Yeah,
he's an extra Rugby part bullet. What's up? What I won't night?
He's a bullet And he just went in there with a book cut the beast
because he coaches Rugby thought number and he went in there and knocked it down,
chopped it back, knupped it down. The pub. Yeah, well
don't know why there a beautiful house as far sou So they started selling into
the partners. So my son moved in there because he was overseeing the world
for wonderful mother because when he used to go out and we're like becau see
his girlfrieze we'll come back. Every time he walked through the door, a
bears woman stolen the top and spell it was a staircase that went up like
that. He winded stick blinding the staircase beautiful what ever, so white,
and she'd stand up the top and stays like we was still here and did
just go? You would just go now, I'm ignoring. Hell, this
is Jably were James light, and it got back into his light where he
was sleeping. But we weren't run there this day, and he said,
I'll show you around. So it took this little tour around the house and
we ended up being the antic why and it was obviously where the staff and
missus staying and such people that were in service would stay up there and live
up there. And we're looking around and everything. I didn't feed anything up
first faced walked with the after was made up like these little the rooms they
will dat of this particular room that I was in. And I was the
last one to go out, and as I got to the door, the
door was about there, right right in front of me. As I put
to the door, we went like that. She's standing there and she's looking
at me. Was shot and I'm looking at her shure, you know outside,
Come on, mom, I'm looking at this apparition. Women's looking like
me, and she as if she could see me, and I know she
was seen men. Look on her face? Was its more less the same
one? Yeah, when she was dressed as ah like she'd make it.
She was like mayor major house on my lea house what they called the women
that were top above them, the star or mistress of yeah, the equipment
of mister Hudson, but a lady. Yeah, yeah, and that's what
she was. Still I leave that. So that's the second nine everything or
more that spot. What did she do about me? She looks to me
as I felt satan. Wow, that's interd and it was like the talents.
Yeah, that's why I think it was not like you're seeing the ghost
of a person who died like he was. You both were alive much live
being just happened to have been occupying different times in the same space. But
the conditionings great. You could see each them, but that's between before I
had time six but which it was only the fact that they were Javita tunneled
one that I turned around looked for all stuff. Is it some of now
wants to keep well, no did yeah, yeah, he told me,
all right, it's gild me interested with these people from the past suddenly wrote
in their diary today I saw a lady looking at me in clothes I've never
seen before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Now talking
to the building work. It reminds me of the story. And I had
said this before, but I'll recount him. I'm actually don't know this story
brand, but it's a story that I heard from a guy on a plane
and I was going out to Spain and he sat next to me, and
of course on this plane going back to Spane, we yes, yes,
I remember your yes, yeah, it was there's a lot of SPANDID game.
So one of the last guys to get on the plane, I thought
it was a Spanish guys, and they announced on the ten I sent about
turning his phone to it or this or something like that, and he goes,
what was that. I said, I had no clue. Sorry.
So we got into this little conversation, me and this guy and my son
was here, lean's looking out the window and this guy, I said that,
you know, are you going on holiday? There's no no, he
said, I'm from I live in London, he said, but I'm originally
from he said, I'd prefer to call it plus show that. Yeah,
you know you would note stairs are ran, he said, But I live
in London. I'm an architect and I'm going out to Mancus. So you
check on some buildings. I'm running the project for sort of thing. And
I said, oh, okay. So he said, what do you do.
At the time, I lived in the Orkney Islands, so we ran
this fairy museum stroke gallery. Uh. And so I happened to have on
my phone and photographs and the draw and I've done. And I said,
here you go that this is sort of stuff. I'm interesting. So I
showed him that sort of stuff, and I told him a few of the
weird stories that I'd researched. And what happened was as that he then opened
up a bit. And I don't think he would have opened up had just
been a roller. The mel guy asked those and he said when he was
about eighteen or nineteen, he was conscripted into the Iranian Army, and him
and his army buddy walk in the streets at night in alarm, and he
said, a sending storm kicked that and so they thought shelf and they went
into this mosque and you have to pick your shoes and box of him.
Yeah, and that's what they did. Yeah, that's what they did.
And he said to his army buddy, okay, you go to sleep with
get back to the wall or laid down, and as sixth next to you,
I've got the gun and I keep a lookout ready signs at trouble.
That's what they said. So okay, so that's what he did, and
he said, no, man, they are already tried. This guy always
called him lussy. He said, he kept waking up, sorry, falling
asleep and then waking up, falling asleep and waking up. And the third
time he fell asleep and he woke must stay away, I must stay awake.
The third time he woke up, he said, he noticed this at
lady crouching down looking at and there was a young girl nexting this lady,
he said, about twelve thirteen years away, crouching down looking at his friend's
feet, and he thought, where the hell did they come from? So
trying to wake up his friend by pressing his elbow onto his friend's chest,
and he said them how hard he pressed his shoulder, sorry, his elbow
onto his friend's chest, and his friend didn't wake up, so he said,
who's saying? He said, at that point, I decided I was
going to make her money for it. I thought, I don't know why
he was going to make it. His ear at the gun and decided to
wrack the stat of the gun around his arm. But he said that last
of the chatted the lady to look at it, and he said she instead
of looking at his feet, she looked up in his said, as soon
as she looked at me the eye, he said, I knew she wasn't
from this world. And he said, I felt a she would go down
me and I just knew that she wasn't from this world. Instead, at
that point, the lady stood up, and the young girls stood up,
and they turned and they walked away. He said. As they walked away,
he noticed they both had calliphony coothed feet, in other words, those
of a goat cataws. He said, we had vanished into the wall of
the knots, and Money told me that the ships went up, and my
spine I can believe it now, Oh my god, there's a wonderful the
story tell him about the rain will we name est today? Well, yeah,
we showed you the picture. Yeah, I've got a whole bunch of
high definitional pictures of the ring. Yeah. And one thing that we discover
is every single picture we took the rain. At first I thought it was
Caradolia, and we've done so much experimenting with it, realized that was our
paradolia. Though we we've tried different lightning techniques. But every single picture you
take of the rings, either on the bridge of its snows or in one
of the eyes, there are faces. They work well, real big,
scary looking or creepy bases. All are men women, yeah, on the
sex, but on the nose there's there's there's straight different pictures on the levels
of three different places. One of those places, like you, yus Ago.
I took a photograph and I noticed something something in the middle of evening
with like tin in the night. So I'm very good, bigger, and
there was this picture of this person with hair and every big right and what
one of the pictures that he took up the eye? No, how pen
this Paradonian now penal place so little years ago. Pay fee in the eye
when you took it in the nose mm. You don't see the same face
twice, it's never editing face call. Yeah, and you would also get
the same kind of discolorations because of the silver or reel. It's not perfect,
yeah, because it's obviously older. Yeah. And you know you would
think if you would take multiple pictures in the same spot, it's not carving
and there it stay the same, but it changes. Yeah. Yeah,
first I thought it was reflecting me back because of you'd say it had and
what mountain troubers food. But yeah, this one, well here, here's
a perfect example. Okay, what came up with? What maybe the old
will say to us? Yeah? Yeah, let me shoot, Okay,
this is a very picture. Yeah see this eye right here? Yeah okay.
Second may would be it's left to eyes. If I zoom in all
the way, you tell me what you see east can alien or with the
two eyes down at the bottom, I'm seeing a woman. Oh okay,
well one hair see the world's face. Well you said we'll all looking at
these two patches of red at the bottom, thinking they could be a oh
you know what I didn't know? Said, they're always that's rail staring the
rubies. Yeah, yeah, the rail stars fitted in so they're bulging.
But when we're looking to them like that into the depths of head. Yeah,
here's another bolts over the bait. Yeah, I'm going to zoom into
the nose. Well yeah, it doesn't look like a look at so you
said, I'm it with an eye big yeah, and all this looks like
the mouth is open. Yeah screen. Yeah, that screen like something out
of give him a top Tolero film, or there's a guy that did Pan's
Labyrinth. You know there's a total Yeah, it's it could well, there's
the boys. There's a picture of that. That's the scree yeah, yes,
the mouth open yeah yeah. So this is the ring upside down and
that's the bridge top of the nose. But it looks like there's another base
set. Yeah yeah. But and it just keeps happening every time we take
a picture. The one amazes me as a part one of the pictures.
It's the same that I fall in thens. Yeah, y'alls go, he's
called the same first of a little bloke in the eye. Yeah. So
this scring is it? I remember you taught about in the screen before the
history industry of the ring. Well, I mean she acquired it in Italy.
Yeah, from someone she knew, and who would he found it?
Retry movie. It used to be an old, very old, and we're
close lived in living Wich. Yea and his family bought the house that this
rikine s lived in, hanging on the arm the old me close since the
way of the ring liver Dad belt M and his family fought the house after
the recluse died and ringing an iron. No he will kitch him. This
was the ring and there's nothing to ask and ass were great thought they were
doing. He started having bad luck, blaming the ring in Catholic. He
blamed in the ring in him Amazon with fired luck. So he wouldn't buried
it in the churchyard, right yeah, and another chip and it sapped,
what's up a very lit the church? Or were in the depth there in
summer or winter? You'll let him at me and tell me about it,
for I s going to get up. He said, no, he said,
that will't big let up. You know it's in the sacred place and
let us lie there now for a girls, I'm not going to get up.
So we work on all for the church shop and all the graves will
ever say it had been cut with it all to morrow but all notice so
flat, and all they whis is down except for one. It's worth the
grass the bit of the marlwa stick a life. Why, he said,
that's where it is a smaller helping them all. While we're going around,
he jumped with this Tocto glass. You're right, why was this Toctor glass?
Is anyway? I started pulling out the gronloss, trying to pull it
out to take as well. Roud to do so he got this spating that
he had and dug it up. Work, dug the grass rain, took
the ring it wasn't wrapped in, and it looked at the ring and the
brown. Then it is a shiny and new look. We're not new looking,
both shining, and said it was who saw it yesterday? There was
no doubt the mark and it come through all those winters, all that bad
yvon nothing on it. So first he said, well, what's it?
Giving the he said, you can have it. He said that all he
said, it's so well, I've had it ever since, and he took
it to jewelry. Yeah, we took it to a jeweler. Of the
two of us. Yeah, the journal was an old Colieri it or somebody
like that. Polyish like camelines are during the war and the Middle Old Land,
and he always kept his jewelry shop with what which was very unusually forward
and the windows it's not used. Yeah, but in the seventhies it was
very unusual travel lockjen shops. You had something about to get in in abody
and he opened the door and I had to bring one way him. So
it's something about this, he said, No, he tell me to go
away anyway. I kept assist all of the system. Finally clut my feet
over the threshold of the door and he looked at the read he said,
sold his silver club for one nugget of silver, he said, and may
he said it. I'm sure, he said. The eyes well, rope
is but no, I think they've got on it. We may have said,
full on. It's someone. It's a very very old Get out of
my hands, look out of my house. The other keeper. Get out
of the shop. And he kicked us at the door and literally edged us
out. Muddy door could get up well, locked the door behind us.
Someone lonely again, my god. But the actual shank of the ring was
so so thick, there's not much stick of a little bit so thin.
Yeah, right where it's been warmed so much. Why do's worried about it
breaking on zooming rings? So I took it to Sadmuels that Samuels is not
like this old fool the area in June, you know, I said,
kin was just reshadowed this ring for me. So they reshant it and as
I resized it to my size so I can wear it. So they've done
that. And I were in the age twental one. I had it my
fingers. I was about eight stone and weight skinny. My fingers were skinny,
right, and that ring still fits my finger. Now I'm a few
stones heavier. My fingers are a lot faster, but I would trobably that
ring. It goes on easy, and when it's on and it just tightens
its south up scabs alive. Sounded like the one ring. Ward, Maybe
that's where they got the idea for the one Ring. Yeah, we actually
send pictures over to the British Museum, und it, trying to get an
idea. You don't know how old they thought it might be. Of course
they're looking at pictures about the actual ring, right, yeah, and you
know what, it could be a representation though, because let's face it,
you show it, Katy Christian, they're gonna see them, doll. Yeah.
Because of the ornsk knows New Year. For a while there, because
it was found in Italy, we thought it might have been a representation of
Pan or if Yeah, yeah, then there was a Babylonian but yeah what
one of the first civilizations. Yeah, there was an old god who God?
Yeah, so if we got a might have something you can do with
that. So but we don't really know now. The British Museum seeing the
thing for a ring was almost four to five hundred years old. But it's
a the books in the slice on Christopherina right, I there is a lot
olda wada and I think it fell. He was from the see when it
could be planned. I was hoping it would be planned because he was born
and I was born when I was there born. It came from the Amorphy
coast of Italy. A pomp past just found the roads and they found a
bull of pay. When they were excavated ruins, they found a start through
the land doing naughtice with the goats, right as you do. Yeah,
yeah, which is a get clothing heating people walking through. Yeah, but
I don't know so much now the be almond, which is a Egyptian No,
no, like there was a superbilization that came up with Walgreens and they
and I started to settle on South ovisially right, so again I'm a local
nicktack. Maybe he could do an image sir, we had well not not
dreading an image search, but I could try that. We've tried finding others
similar to see if there's another ring out there like that at all. Yeah,
and there's some modern ones that are looked just so cheesy. Yeah,
and it's but nothing history. The British Museum turned around, how old babe?
But some they did anythink else panned? And that my first so because
I wrote to them, add lost some movie for a big pan? Was
that? A friend of mine says, it's a demon? Can it be
paddles it demon? Listen? They don't think kids pan? Maybe your friend's
right. You think with kids? Have you is a few? Ye?
With it is some of your z years? Oh wow, that's it.
Hundred years, that's what they said. Well, someone else has told me
to go the nature was in to the nightlace. When you say initially so
that's the next mission. Then well, and here's the thing here's on this
picture. Look how asymmetrical the face is cutting down that the center. Yeah,
on this side of it here it's a smaller beard. It's full night
the eye is furthered down. Yeah. If you covered up half the face,
it looks almost it's almost like those dual faces like the theater. Yeah,
for a comedy in Grama. You cover half of it, it looks
one way, but then when you look at the other half, you get
more of the full beard near it sticks out farther there's more of a grimace
on the face, Luna. So each side of the face is showing off
a different verson like one one good one either and face didn't he I think
he's neither. I think he just is. It's just like, how does
it do? He's full mischief? Oh, I agree, full mischief.
Talk about diving open the safe door. Well, there's some kind of thing
sound self and the safe door. It sounds up on the wall point the
safe door, and there you go. Didn't jump out. It's got a
life of his army, yeah, Godi of the safe Oh yeah, I
mean we feel there's some kind of some kind of attachute. Yeah, And
you said it was a sound on an iron nails now and they particularly use
iron in in uh, but I don't thember being a That's the thing that
when sirs got snow, Philip Kins Seller, I was invited to go with
into this house people having a lot of bad luck. This lady I was
going to die. Their son have died in music like that. And Philip
and this other lady and a group of their friends were doing a sort of
I don't know what you'd call it, but then troll like exercise. It's
a place or something. But they're in He was banging nails into the ground,
iron nails that have been specially made for it in his punting spaces met
and they said there's something to do with the water nearby lay lines. Yeah
yeah, And so that was iron nails and they've been specifically made for this
job. They didn't just go and buy them us. Yeah, that the
iron nails. So they have come down in our nails and it's that root.
And then I hear fairies don't buy iron. You'd love my house because
greens I talked to carry Greenway. Oh yeah, yeah about the trees in
the garbles, I'm older your tree. You've got horseauce trees placed in corners.
They've got our holly horse lawn hedges. Well this is all to do
with witches and faith. Yeah, yeah, let's see people. People were
out of the house. They see your domin Yeah at that and once the
minister. Yeah he get deacon of the chapel upper row. Maybe, but
the end used to being tried making horde, so respects. And somewhere somewhere
was a poor Paul shilling that he might one birth wise, biswhere will we
think in the farmer at the bottom, because he's coming all he's white,
used to come and visit. He took theay with bride really mush, you
know, luck down the lim and the picture we've got at Hub looking out
the window all minute. I took a photograph one day, right, and
we're not longer moved. The son pulled on the leave our first big she
can camera. So when I rose took a photosoph for the house from the
roads, and then when I zoned into the window, this is what Bryan's
talking about. Hub was looking out at the wine and thought there used to
be neck a bag room window. Yeah, by window, and the curtains
have formed slightly into the side her it's cooking out, carrying down into the
corner of the guard and the Veilbert that that particularly down to the cartographs.
There was no one in the houssa behave was in London is now wild Martha,
mum, she was in the land you know, should be her heat
and said doll in the lounge back, Yeah, smart in your mouth.
There's interesting all these ghos always appearing doorways and windows. I don't know if
well I feelways whenever I talked fight about what I was amas windows. That
goes back into our theory of the ring we never finished, which is,
oh, yeah, this is a theory you've come up in the theory that
struck me yesterday seeing all these spaces, I don't believe we're seeing spaces of
spirits. I don't necessarily think we're seeing the faces and demons. Yeah,
I don't think it's spaces. She thought, maybe it's it was showing faces
of people it's interacted with over the year. I think it's it's a in
a way, it's kind of a pool. It's showing you and images of
people living in other kind of friend yeah, or in other dimensions. It's
like giving you a snapshot photo of other people or other creatures y humanoid like
preachers, but she also fit maybe Lessia well yeah with me. Yeah,
so it's it's it's fascinating. And again it's every picture there's someting different.
Yeah, there's always something there every picture. And you would think that if
it was a trick of the light and you for taking the picture, the
same thing would appear at each time. Yeah, you know, if you're
not moving through the same angle, everything should be the same. And it's
obviously yeah yeah, so uh and that's been a big theme of mind lately
with research I'm doing is very very interested in the whole injured dimensional aspect,
because a lot of research being done right now, like all the show Secret
skate Walker Ranch where they are pretty much scroothing that there is some type of
a portal wormhole on the property right where things are able to go in out
of. And I think it's a good explanation most types of paratoral activity.
You know, I don't necessarily believe there's ghosts of spirits who haven't crossed over
it just any yep. Yeah, but if you're seeing like the woman that
Irene saw a time slip, it's part of Paul time is happening at once,
and you even have not only this all time and this plane that there
could be other planes and realities that have existence. Yeah, that could bleed
over into arts. So I think that's what it's shalling. Now there's an
interesting thing. I've seen it all Murray's programs might being a ands ancient aliens
they and it might be in South America might being perused as a slat mountainside
where there's this section of the wolf if you want to call it, the
wall, the side of the mountain where the local sk a like wall whoever
they were ancient people car like almost like a doorway into yeah, yeah,
and the locals. That's in Peru, yeah, added brand Forrester, who
runs the Cousco Museum, and he's very big into all did yes Neolithic locations
all around the world, and he's been there several times. And this squared
faraway, which is again not some perfectly symmetrical, and even in the doorway,
there's an impression right in the center. Now the local shamans will go
in there and do ritual, yeah whatever, but it's considered to be a
portal. Yeah. Yeah, And this is why my theory is that when
people sees spirits a lot of the time they appear to be standing in doorway
because I think the doorway acts like a trance cabinet in a medium sales several
people. Yeah, then we're indoorways. Yeah, people man in their at
Yeah, they're always indoorways looking at the little there. And then it brings
us back to stone ange because you've got doorways. Yeah, there's somebody with
stone engine a reason, because why people, Yeah, why don't we realistic
patients struggle with all their effort and time of stuff to put these bloody huge
stones. Oh you know, it's surely got better things to do. But
that's always extreme importance for some reason, isn't it. So uh yeah,
maybe they're also when she starts and it goes around, they're backing. Yeah,
yep, yeah stop, yeah, that's it rounded off by Yeah.
So this is why you got all these people, like like, you know,
people looking beneath the layers the English heritage to look at You're looking at
all this other stuff and you know it's not just that a look pretty that
stuff because that for a reason. Yeah, there were all tools and some
kind yeah, you know, so they're aligned astronomically and they think, oh,
well it's a calendar in stone, but it's a lot more than it's
what we talk about with the vibrations being in thereain locations and maybe they they
do work as types of portals or like the pyramids in Egypt, the three
Big Pyramids thought to be some types of power poets, yeah, producing energy.
Brian Forster was investigating there's the one pyramid south of where the the geesea
plateau caramans as. There's this other step pyramid, like I forget how far
south it is, but it looks like it's it's water, looks clodd it's
it's destroyed in such a way like it looks like it had a mini many
exlution that something might have happened. Maybe edit things worked, power plants being
as an active Yeah, their own chinoogles, Yeah, without safety inspectors.
So we're gonna have to wrap this up. But thank you everybody for listening
to our little pub chat here being okay radio Yeah, apparently the UK radio
network. I'm not sure which program this is gonna go on on, but
and josephs, yeah, no work. We're actually going to record our owns
two cool. We're gonna do our own show later this week in the house,
you know, so we'll be sitting side by side act. Yeah,
that's brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, we'll be getting pissed while we're recording of
the show. Is that it's round shower and you have to edit it down
and in the missing around. Okay, so that's the end of the show.
Thank you for listening.