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I'm very excited to say our guest today is probably the number one ufologists
in the world, and that is nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Believe it or
not, I've never interviewed him before. I've met him several times. I've
spent time with him at several different conferences. So I'm excited to talk to
him today because he has been in this field for decades. He was one
of the original people to break the Roswell story, so it's sort of his
fault that we all know about Roswell and what that is and what that means
to us today, which is very exciting. He also has been on Larry
King quite a few times in the last couple of years, arguing with the
setting people, with other scientists, debating UFOs and extraterrestrials. So I'm excited
to talk to him today. It's going to be a great show. A
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stuff. Speaking of keeping up to date, before we get to our guess,
let's talk about UFOs and the news. These are headlines from conventional media
around the world. We keep a close eye on that. We update the
headlines on our website on a pretty much daily basis. But today we have
with us our news correspondent, Jason McClelland, who's gonna give us the lowdown
on UFO headlines. Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Alejandro, Hello Phoenix,
and hello world. This is your Open Minds news brief for Friday, April
nine, twenty ten. The Associated Press reported a story this week about an
article published in the Jordanian newspaper that caused widespread panic in April fool's joke.
The paper printed a front page story about a ten foot about many ten feet
tall aliens who landed their UFOs in a desert town one hundred and eighty five
miles outside the country's capital. Many residents took the article seriously, and officials
were close to calling for an emergency evacuation. The town's major even sent security
authorities to search for the aliens. The mayor is angry about the joke and
wants to sue the newspaper. The managing editor of the paper says that the
whole thing has been blown out of proportion and the intent was merely to entertain.
How very orson. Well, yeah, I think the mayor is a
bit of a spoilsport. I think he's upset because he fell for their joke.
I mean, he was freaking out he was about to have the army
unleashed on these aliens. That's more than likely it. I mean he probably
feels like he looks pretty foolish. Yeah, I think it sounds like great
fun, a great story, and that story is getting all over the news.
Yeah, in UK news. You may be familiar with the mysterious and
disturbing cattle mutilations that happen around the world, and we've even talked about those
on the show with Chucks Ukowski. But sheep seemed to be the target of
these horrific mutilations in the UK farmers near Shrewsbury. He claims, you have
witness sheep being lasered by lights being emitted from UFOs. These sheep have been
found with their brains, eyes, and internal organs removed. Several witnesses claim
to have watched the UFOs at work, including fifteen members of an animal pathology
field unit at a Welsh Hill farm near Radnor Forest. One of the witnesses
describes the technology he observed as not from here and frightening. Yeah. I
mean some of the scientists out there are saying that they believe it's extraterrestrials and
UFOs that are doing this to their sheep because of eyewitness testimony. It's fascinating
with the sheep situation here because I think more people have come forward and so
they actually have watched it happen. Yeah, And I think because of the
scientists backing this. This is another story, both of these stories that are
getting a lot of international press for sure. In other news, a new
survey shows that one in five people believe that aliens walk among us. The
IPSOS Global Survey found the twenty percent of people poll believe that aliens exist and
are disguised as humans. It's interesting to note that more people in the most
populated countries share this belief, and that probably makes sense because in less populated
areas, people are more likely to know their neighbors. You know, when
I lived in New York, when you walk in the seas of people,
it's a little easier to think, well, maybe some of these people are
actually aliens, especially in New York. Absolutely. It's also interesting to note
that the most people who believe that aliens walk among us are male, which
I don't find surprising, but also they're younger than thirty five years old,
which I find completely surprising. Yeah, that is very surprising. Interesting.
Well, that's it for the news, Alejandro. Back to you. Cool.
Thanks Jason. So we have our exciting guest, Stanton Friedman coming up.
I'm really excited to talk to him because I haven't been able to interview
him before on the show, and I figure, you know, he's all
over the place. He does interviews and talks all over the country all of
the time. But I wanted to introduce him to the Phoenix metro area and
have you have your chance to talk to him yourselves. You'll be able to
call in later and I'll give you more details about that to talk to Stanton
and ask your own questions. But the godfather of youthology, Stanton Friedman,
will be coming up after our break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on
kfn X. Welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio, and I
want to remind you that you can go to Openminds dot tv to read all
of those news stories that Jason and I had just talked about. But without
further ado, let's bring on Stanton Friedman. Hello, are you there,
sir? I am here in beautiful Friderton, New Brunswick, Canada. All
right, time zones ahead of you. You're already in the late afternoon out
there. You're right, you're right. So in what's the weather like out
there? You asked me that it's not warm, but it's not bad.
It's sunny. It might get up to fifty today. You're going to have
to move out here to sunny Arizona. We've got eighties. We're in the
eighties. Well, I'll tell you something. We're just pleased not to have
snow on the lawn. Normally at this year we would, but I don't
know. This has been a crazy year. I'm not complaining. You understand,
I can do without the snow, but last year we had thirteen feet
and we didn't get anywhere near. Wow, that's a lot of snow.
But yeah, moving on, let's get into UFOs. And one of the
first questions I wanted to ask you is in your career and the pass is
a nuclear physicist. At what point did you begin to take UFO seriously?
Well, it was totally inadverton. I read a book. I had ordered
a book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by Air Force Captain Edward Ruffeld,
who'd been headed Project Blue Book for the Air Force in the early fifties.
This was nineteen fifty eight. I was working as a quite young nuclear
physicist for a General Electric Aircraft Nuclear Propultion department, one of the many canceled
government sponsored research and development parks I worked on. Anyway, I got the
book mainly because it was marked down from two ninety five to a dollar,
which would have been what it cost to ship the whole order anyway, So
whatn't cost to me? I think Air Force was co sponsor of our program.
And incidentally, that wasn't just a little paper study. We employed thirty
five hundred people in nineteen fifty eleven hundred of them more engineers and scientists,
and we spent one hundred million dollars that year. So I mentioned that only
because I have seen some crazy stuff about me, saying he only worked on
paper studies. Well, I spent millions on the expensive materials on radiation shoeing
experiments I was doing. It wasn't a paper study anyway. I read the
book. It intrigued me, shared it with a neighbor ten years older than
I was an engineer. He was more impressed than I was. Moved out
to California and read fifteen more books at a good librarian who kept me supplied.
And then the turning point, the point at which I really had to
take the subject terribly seriously, was finding a copy a Project Blue Book,
Special Report number fourteen at the University of California, Berkeley Library. And there
were a couple of surprising things. One, it was used two hundred and
forty charts, stables, graphs, and maps. I was in data heaven.
Secondly, it hadn't been mentioned in any of those sixteen books that I
had read. And Third, and this was the shocker, that Leon David's
doctor, Leon Davidson, who had put this thing together, he had gotten
I don't know how he got a copy of it. This before freedom of
information. It wasn't classified, but it wasn't for wide distribution either. He
got a copy of included a copy of the press release that was put out
in nineteen fifty five October supposedly about this study. Although it didn't mention the
story the study by title, surely some reporter would have said, hey,
what do you mean fourteen? What happened one through thirteen? They were all
classified, which they would not have wanted to say. Secondly, it didn't
include the name of the people who did the study, which was not only
their names, but even the company, which was Betel Memorial Institute in Columbus,
Ohio, a very well respected research and developed infirm. And Third,
he lied, He flat out lied in the press release, and that shook
me up. Let me be specific now, I don't want people saying,
oh, he just says everybody lies. Well, here's the Secretary of the
Air Force, Donald quarrels saying, quote, on the basis of this report.
We believe that no such objects as those publicly described as flying saucers have
overflown the United States. Even the unknown three percent could have been identified as
conventional phenomena or illusions if more complete observational data had been available. Well,
that sounds pretty straightforward, and of course we've heard the same thing many times
since. The only trouble is it's a flat out lie. The unknowns weren't
three percent or three and a half or four or fifteen, they were twenty
one and a half. Wow, that's a big stretch. Secondly, there
was a separate category insufficient information. If there wasn't enough data about it available
about a signing, it could not be listed as an unknown. Third it
took agreement on the part of all four of the final report evaluators. There
were thirty two hundred and one sightings in this study, so it's big.
You know. It wasn't three guys sitting around for four days and sorting all
this stuff. They had a rule you couldn't label the sighting is unknown,
and that's the only ones we're interested in. Unless all four of the final
report evaluators agreed it was an unknown, any two could label it anything else,
you know, aircraft, balloon, economical, all this kind of stuff.
And in addition, they did a quality evaluation of all the sightings and
found the better the quality, you know, the quality of the observer,
the duration of observation out close you were, all that sort of thing,
the more likely to be unexplainable. Now it really shook me up. But
I mean I was working under security. I did for a total of fourteen
years, and I'm accustomed to sort of sometimes you tiptoe around the truth a
little bit, but flat out line right well, and that would mean six
hundred unknowns that all four of these guys are possibly more that they agreed on.
You got it, And so you know, I was shook up,
and I determined from that point we're gonna find out more, We're gonna do
more. I joined APRO and NCAP, which don't exist anymore. Of course,
I'm active in New Fon. Given more papers at mw FON annual symposia.
There have been forty so far than anybody else, and you write there
for every one of their journals at least. Now. Yeah, I've been
doing a monthly column and it's kind of fun, and they give me pretty
much a free reign, so I can talk about the nasty, noisy negativists,
naysaying newsmen, and the SETI cultists. You know, my interpretation for
cetis is silly effort to investigate because somebody has to point out the illogicality,
unreality, unscientific approach that these guys are taking, and that it upsets some
people. I don't care, you know, I'm on my own, on
my own boss, which is kind of nice. Well, and I said,
he people don't mind upsetting people themselves when they have clubs like a pseudo
science club that I think, sess Josh Stack, is it part of well?
You know, Seth and I debated on Coast to Coast radio. We
had met on the Queen Elizabeth II on its last westward voyage. We each
gave three lectures and attended the other stuff. And when I asked in my
lecture, after talking about five large scale scientific studies, including the book Special
Report fourteen, I asked how many people here read this? And of course
he didn't raise his hand for any of them. Right now. He did
say once this past year that my book Flying Saucers and Science was on his
nightstand. Now, he didn't say he'd read it. You understand, right.
But we did a debate on Coast to coast. I got fifty seven
percent of the vote. He got thirty three percent and ten percent that I
don't know. But there's a whole chapter in the book about the cult of
SETI, and it's somebody has to tell it like it is now. One
of the things I bring to the table, well, there are a couple
that make me sort of an odd ball. I guess some people would agree
with that. One is that I worked on a lot of classified programs.
I've been to twenty archives. I can talk knowledgeably about the cosmic Watergate,
the government cover up. I know how security works. I've written classified documents.
Second, I worked on really far out propulsion systems, not only nuclear
airplanes, and as I said, it was a large program, but I
also worked on fish and nuclear rockets. We successfully tested some on the ground,
but the nuclear test site, which is not too far from Area fifty
one. I also worked on a particular significance nuclear fusion propulsion systems. And
I mentioned that because a lot of places don't have a lot of uranium,
but fusion is the most important source of energy production in the entire planet,
in the entire universe. All the stars out there create their energy as a
result of nuclear fusion. And so every advanced civilization they're going to know about
fusion. Everybody's going to say, how does the star work? And you
know, we haven't known very long. Nineteen thirty eight we finally figured out
it's not a massive running gas up there. It's a fusion facility, if
you will. And being the kind of Earthlings we are, we immediately went
to work, and in nineteen fifty two we built rather die fusion device.
They call it an H bomb. Even we humans figured it out. Yeah,
and just a short time nine thirty eight to nineteen fifty two. Now
this wasn't a little small H bomb. This released the energy equivalent to exploding
ten million tons of TNT. That's a fireball. Yeah, that's a big
thing, very big thing. The fireball was three miles wide. And so
if we were able to do this, then presumably somebody who might have gotten
started a little bit before we did, say a million, a billion,
and ten thousand, doesn't matter, pick any number would have learned the same
things. Right now, it's not just the question of being able to build
bombs and the Russians exploded one that was We've got to hit a seventh and
we're going to talk more about Flying Saucers and Science the name of your books.
So we'll be back very shortly with Stanton Friedman talking UFO. So,
as you're listening to Open Minds Radio on camp next, welcome back to Open
Minds Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I want to
remind you that you can watch the radio show live streaming on our website openminds
dot tv, and we even have a live chat there where you can ask
the questions. And we do have a question for Stanton in the chat,
and I'll ask you in a minute. But Stanton has been referring to his
book Flying Saucers and Science, and sat you were referring to earlier kind of
SETI and some of their silly ideas are around physics and science. Their conclusion
is extra trestrials can't be here because the distances are too far. Well,
not only that there are too few of them. Yeah, you can't get
here from there is one of them. And it's a crazy thing is they
calculate, They think very generously and come up with there might be ten thousand
civilizations in the galaxy. There's over one hundred million, hundred billion sorry stars
in the galaxy. That means only one in ten million, and we're one
of them. We're the top people. And if you figure that out,
if you assume a relatively uniform distribution, you sprinkle a few throughout the huge
galaxy, which is one hundred thousand light years across. That means you ought
to be maybe two within a thousand light years. Not very exciting. Why
would any of them send us a message? How would they know we were
here? We've only been sending out radio waves, et cetera. Columbus didn't
send a message to North America or Central America before he took off, you
know. Furthermore, one of the key factors in the so called Drake equation
is the life span of a civilization. The trouble is, we don't know
the lifespan of any civilis not even our own. We are how long it's
going to be around there and a lot of idiots around We only killed fifty
million of our own kind in World War Two. That it's not a good
start anyway. The kicker is they assume that there's no colonization and no migration.
So a planet that has intelligent life able to send signals looms like a
rose and then dies and that's the end of it. Rather than knowing,
as every advanced civilization would, that there are reasons for checking out other places,
just in case maybe an asteroid comes, we use up too much of
the resources, maybe a supernova goes off. You know, every civilization is
going to be looking around furthermore. We are, you know, we're sort
of out in the boondocks of four point three light years of the next star
over. But my favorite two stars Ata one and Zeta two Ticuli in the
constellation of Ridiculum, which you can't see from here, and you guys can't
see it. You got to go for the south anyway. Those two stars
are only thirty nine point three light years away from us, and from each
other only about an eighth of a light year, so you can directly observe
planets around the other star no difficulty. You can directly determine whether there is
some kind of biological life there, and you have plenty of time because those
two stars are a billion years older than the Sun to develop appropriate interstellar travel
technology and presumably if you've got a little more time than we've had, you'll
do a little better than we have. When I worked on fusion proportion,
it was clear that if you use the right stuff in the right way and
want to spend a ton of money, you can kick articles particles out the
back end of a fusion rocket that only have ten million times as much energy
per particle as you can get in a dumb old chemical rocket. So it's
because you're an entirely different perspective. And also the other important assumption is,
ain't nobody coming here, guys? When there's far more data indicating aliens or
visiting than that, somebody out there has nothing better to do than send messages
using techniques about which we know nothing and without knowing what our capabilities would be
to receive and interpret it. So there are a lot of wild guesses that
these guys are taking with these unknown factors and totally ignoring. They'll tell you
there is no UFO evidence, never referring to the large scale scientific studies.
I mean, let's face it, if you want to get really right down
to earth, if aliens are visiting, who needs to listen with radio telescopes?
Right? You know? Learn sign language. Well, and that brings
me to one of the other big questions. I wanted to ask you what
brought you to subscribe to the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Well, because it's the only
one that made sense, and I don't even consider it a hypothesis. I
say, Remember, the question I'm asking is not what are UFOs or are
all UFOs alien spacecraft? The question is are any Look we see high performance
craft that had to be manufactured. I mean, we're not talking lights in
the sky here. If we would have been able to manufacture these, say
back in the forties, fifties, sixty seventies, eighties, nineties, we'd
have been using them in warfare, high maneuverability, great speed, silent flight.
Hey, everybody on the planet would love to have a few of those.
They're good offensively and defensively. If it wasn't made here, and we
certainly haven't used these in warfare. Remember we developed a stealth fighter. We
used it, So if it wasn't made here, it was made someplace else.
That's pretty straightforward. And then looking at the nuclear capabilities. I worked
on fusion proportion nineteen sixty two, that's a long time ago. Then you
realize, Hey, everybody's going to know about fusion. You know, maybe
not everybody on this planet understands that that's what's going on in the sun.
We're a very primitive society whose major activity is tribal warfare. We're just beginning,
and some people would likely say, well, why the heck would anybody
want to come here to keep us from going out there? Of course,
but there's the whole chapter in the book about, you know, the why
questions They land on the White House Law and why would they come here?
Why doesn't the government tell us what it knows? And the point is not
presuming they're alike, that they're like us, you know, but certain things.
I make one major assumption about every advanced civilization, it seems to me
reasonable, and that is that they're concerned about their own survival and security.
Everybody we know that that's a major concern. We're spending hundreds of billions of
dollars a year making sure nobody pulls a surprise attack us. They don't want
these crazy monkeys flying over to Zetteraticulan and wreaking some havoc. Well, that's
right, and so my presumption is that they'd want to keep tabs on the
primitives in the neighborhood, but only close tabs and those primitives who show signs
of being able to bother them. At the end of World War Two,
there were three signs that soon these Earthlings would be bothering able to bother them
Nuclear weapons, powerful V two rockets which were used for warfare, not for
delivering mail. And powerful radar as a forerunner of sophisticated electronics. And you
know what, in July nineteen forty seven, there was only one place on
the entire planet where you could study all three of those technologies, Southeastern New
Mexico. And first Adam Baum was tested at Trinity Site on the grounds of
the White Sands Missile Range. That's where the capture German V twos were being
tested. That's where we had our best great how to track the rockets,
because you know what, sometimes they went the wrong way. Right. In
a couple of weeks, we're going to have Robert Hastings on and to your
point, you know, he talks a lot about UFOs checking out nuclear sites.
Sure, and Bob has done a lot of work on that and collected
a lot of information. And the kicker here is he's been able to talk
to a lot of former military guys and who else knows about what's going on
at the nuclear tip missile sites, you know, besides the military guys.
So he's collected an awful lot of information. And what is interesting to me
is that he's also found out that there is similar concern on the part of
the Aliens with what's going on in the Soviet Union. Oh. Interesting,
I didn't know about that part. But yeah, he's had some input from
some people who say that just you know, Melstrom Air Force Base, we
had the ten minute men missile go down, and of course we had Bill
Ny the science guy. Oh it was just a power failure. Yeah,
yeah, right, okayly redundant. He should stick to the kids shows.
But we're going to take another break. This is our short segment, and
we'll be back to talk more about UFOs with Stanton Friedman right after our short
break, and we'll talk more about the science and then we do have a
question from the chat that I'll ask you as well when we get back.
You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Stay tuned, Welcome back. You are
listening to Open Minds Radio on KF and X and we are talking UFOs with
the guy to talk to the most popular upologists out there. He gets all
over the place. We're talking to Stanton Friedman, and one thing I want
to talk to you now, Stanton's kind of some current affair type of stuff.
Although you have answered this question, there was a question from the chat
and maybe you can answer Mark direct, but I guess they are talking about
They're talking about not only alien agenda they're asking you about, but also the
government's agenda when it comes to this topic. Well, yeah, I mean
that's that's one of the why, the key why questions? What do the
aliens want? Why doesn't the government tell us what's going on? Why would
anybody come here anyway? You know, I think the government has every government.
Remember, this isn't an American problem, It's an earthlink problem all over
the planet. Ted Phillips has collected physical trace cases from eighty countries. You
know, I've lectured in sixteen other countries besides fifty states and nine provinces.
So there's a lot of interest out there all over the place. Every government
wants to cover up number one reason. You want to figure out how the
darn things work. They make wonderful weapons delivery and defense systems. That's where
our money gets spent. You got wreckage from Roswow. Remember I'm the original
civilian investigator the Roswell incident. The books are on my website TRIPLEW dot Stanton
Friedman dot com. You got wreckage, you set up your secret project.
Rule number one for security, you can't tell your friends without toning your enemies
because they listen to the radio. Two second problems the other side of the
same coin. What if the other guy figures out how they work before you
tube, you don't know how to defend against them as they try to defend
against you. You know, we've been playing this game a long time.
The third problem is if you make an announcement. Let's say, my favorite
couple of the Pope and the queen, how's that uncoupled? They're about the
same age and the people, Yeah, well lone. Anyway, if they
were to make an announcement saying, indeed, planet Earth is being visited by
intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, what would happen? Well, church attendance would go
up, mental hospital admissions would go up, the stock market would go down.
I suppose, and one of the big things that would happen this is
based on over six hundred college lectures, is that the younger generation, which
unlike me, wasn't around when there wasn't a space program, would push for
a new view of ourselves instead of as Americans or Chinese, or Greeks or
Peruvians as earthly. Let's face it, from an alien view, but we
are all earth things, like it or not. It's like that very much.
So to know these points, do you think disclosure will happen anytime soon?
Not voluntarily and not soon, although a strange thing to be encouraged by.
Last year the Pope, when he was asked and his big astronomer also
had said, well, you know that God made us, he could have
made them too, no big deal. And my first thought was, gee,
what does he know that we don't remember? She getting ready to convince
one point one billion Catholics. That's okay. I wanted to ask you about.
We're going to have Paul Davies on next week. And he's a scientist
out of ASU or a philosopher or largely, but he has been part of
two very big astrobiological conferences lately, one held by the Vatican, and then
one held by the Royal Academy of Sciences. Why do you think that's happening
all of a sudden they're talking about extrasturals. I think. Remember they're not
talking about UFOs and Davy's ranks. We should be looking for microbial life and
stuff like that. As a matter of fact, I've done a column I
guess it hasn't been published yet about the Royal Society meeting and there are a
lot of stupid things said, Uh well, I'm serious. Yeah, they
presume there's nobody coming here. The British astronomer Royal in a long history of
silly things from those guys, remember one said space travelers utter bilge. That
was a year before Spot Minkley and so forth. The current one says,
oh, well there's nobody coming here. People think that there are, but
you know they got lost in Roswell and blah blah blah, a whole bunch
of stupid stuff, similar to the SETI responses, Oh yeah, very similar.
I mean, and some of those people don't believe in looking for radio
signals, but let's look for life that has arsenic in it, because it's
very similar to phosphorus and so if we find life with arsenic it's not from
here. I mean, you know, I see no evil, hear no
evil. What's that old thing about the monkeys? You know, I wish
I could hear I'll be traveling Davy's program because well, there's an art on
the current issue of Astronomy magazine the same kind of business about SETI and stuff.
Hey, I'm not a professor. I can get away with telling the
truth. I don't just stick by a party law, right, So yeah,
well you'll be able to listen to the archive. But what I think
is interesting is they're talking about, I mean, the philosophical issues that the
church has would be with intelligent life out there? Yes, of course,
and you know, did Jesus die to save us? All the obvious question.
But there are other religions who say that there's life all over the place.
And the Moslims do, the Hindus do the Buddhists? Do? You
know? Now, I'd admit pat Robertson says there ain't no intelligent life anywhere
except here on Earth. What an insult to the notion of an all powerful
God that he thinks this is the best she can do. I mean,
they've got some more. Got to go back to the drawing board on that
one. Well, let me give you another reason for the cover up,
And it's just that that the fundamentalists have claimed that, and they were very
powerful at one time politically, that we're the only life and intelligent life in
the universe, and all this UFO stuffice the work of the devil, and
they'd be up to creak without a religious battle. But let me give you
one that some people find disturbing. I have seven times heard quietly of cases
where planes went up to chase a UFO and never came back. And there's
a book out by Frank Fashino called Shoot Them Down, which records I wrote
the forward for it so I can talk about it, that there was an
order given by the military in nineteen fifty two shoot down UFOs if they don't
lend when instructed to do so. And he also documents two hundred fatal military
crashes military plane crashes between fifty one and fifty six, and five of the
pilots had over one hundred missions in Korea. These weren't neophytes, in other
words, and there were MiGs over there, and presumably there weren't new makes
here, and the government doesn't like to tell people, Oh, your son
was killed in flying to avoid a saucer or for trying to attack a saucer,
you know. And that's where there have been many things kept secret.
There's a whole chapter in flung sauscers and science. We don't talk about it
too much. You know. There's a new book coming out in June,
Science was Wrong, And that's what we've been talking about here, right,
And we're getting to the point that there'll have to be a Science Was Wrong
Volume two. Right, Yeah, that's that. They'll be an endless volume.
But you know, we've were renting out of time. But one thing
I do want to ask you is, like you said, you've done lectures
at a lot of universities. Do you see people's perceptions of this whole subject
changing over time? Has it changed? I haven't seen a lot of that.
I've over seven hundred lectures. I've only had eleven hecklers, and two
of them were drunk, and I come on very strong, So I have
found people will be receptive. The big problem is people are afraid that other
people will think they're nuts if they go on the s side of the UFO
vote these days, I think feel that way. Well, yeah, I've
talked to a class of one hundred students. Eighty percent thought most people didn't
believe any UFO Israelian spacecrafting, yet eighty percent of that group did. So
your actions are determined by your perception, right or wrong, of how other
people will respond. And so yeah, you get more hecklers than that if
you talk about sports, or religion or politics. I'm told anyway, Yeah,
especially with politics. Yeah, well, if people feel very strongly about
that these days, that's for sure. There are a lot of questions about
flying sauces. There have been some college courses taught. There have been about
a dozen PhD DC's done. Those are listed in Top Secret Magic, my
book about the Majestic twelve documents. There's a lot of information out there.
It's not just tabloid stuff, which is what surprises some people. They think
that's all there is, you know, tabloid anecdotes. I love when they
say there's only anecdotal information. You got to study at thirty two hundred sightings,
but it's just just anecdotes, you know. That's ridiculous. Well,
and that's getting to you call them the nasty nay saying negativists. But the
debunkers out there, and you touched on this before, it seems they refuse
to actually do the research to look in depth in any of these cases,
even when they're coming on Larry King to debate you about it. Well,
there are four basic rules, and boy Bill and I the science guy,
follows them religiously. Don't bother me with the facts. My mind's made up.
But the public doesn't know. I'm not going to tell them. They
can't attack the data, attack the people. It's easier, and do your
research by proclamation. Investigation is much too much trouble. Well, that's a
great I think note to end on with the noisy negatives there. We're pretty
much out of time, but thank you so much for being on the show.
As you usually you're just incredibly informative and a lot of fun to listen
to. Remember too, you had mentioned at once, but I want to
mention again you can go to Stanton Friedman dot com to get all of those
books you had written that you've referred to, and there's many more books that
you didn't get to talk about that you've written as well, so well in
their articles too. Yeah, in fact, lots of facts, So thank
you very much for being on the show. I want to tell the listeners
about next week, where we have doctor Paul Davies on. He's a British
born theoretical physicist, cosmologist, astrobiologists and best selling author. Mostly a philosopher
around extraterrestrials, although as we talked about here today, he doesn't believe they're
coming here, so we'll ask him about that and see if we can challenge
him a bit there. But he is talking about extraterrestrials and astrobiology a lot,
and he has been in major news all over the place in the last
couple of weeks because of this, so it's going to be a great show
next week. Be sure to join us. Thank you thanks for listening to
Open Minds Radio where we're bringing the UFO subject into the light of day.
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