WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:05.679 That's teaching one on one right. If you can take a student and relate 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:10.320 to something that they did well in the past as far as golf, and 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:15.160 relate that to the golf swing, you get so much more performance right off 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:19.239 the bat with mechanics, so that piece of the puzzle is super important. 5 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.399 And also how they learn. People learn so differently. You know, if 6 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.559 you have a visual learner and you're teaching them how to feel to swing in 7 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.000 the backswing, that might not necessarily be great for them. So yes, 8 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.039 it's mechanics, but you have to know so much more how to get through 9 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.520 to the student, How can they learn best and how can they learn fastest? 10 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.439 To get out to the golf course. Hi, this is Brian Jerryshano 11 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.320 from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and I play at acting golf course. 12 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:52.240 This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and forty Miracles happen on the golf course 13 00:00:52.600 --> 00:01:00.200 using grounded golf with author Terri Fox. This is Golf Smarter sharing story these 14 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.079 tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and raise 15 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:10.599 your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green bocome to the Golf Smarter 16 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.400 podcast. Tara. Hi, Fred, it's really nice to be here. 17 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:18.599 Thanks for having me today. I'm excited about talking about your book. I 18 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:23.159 get it. I get excited every week because I love having these golf conversations. 19 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.599 But you've got a great book because your book is you know, you're 20 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:32.400 you're a golf instructor, but you really love the mental part of the game. 21 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.719 I do. I think it's the piece, the missing piece for every 22 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.840 golfer. You know, it's there's so many books that have been written about 23 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:46.840 it by incredible authors. And if people knew more in the beginning, when 24 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.799 they start how important the mental game is, I think that we're going to 25 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:57.159 start seeing a shift of how people learn moving forward. But what I guess 26 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.760 the reference point is people watching golf on TV and they're going you know, 27 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:06.599 they're seeing the physical, they don't get the mental aspect, especially especially on 28 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.240 the PGA Tour where it's the grind. I mean that that I can't even 29 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:17.319 conceive of the pressure and the drain that it is for professional level, just 30 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:22.800 knowing what I know about being a recreational golfer, I think you're right. 31 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.800 I don't know. Have you seen that new series that come out that's just 32 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.240 come out. I guess a series two A Full Swing. Do you watch 33 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:36.599 that since I've already finished it. It was incredible. I love that series. 34 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.080 Yeah, it's on Netflix's no one's seen it Full Swing. You got 35 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:45.159 to check it out. It is incredible And I think it's episode three of 36 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.360 season two where they really when they start working with with the golf psychologists, 37 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:54.800 starts working with Wyndham Clark and they can really start seeing the differences and where 38 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:59.919 his game goes. And I mean if that's just on the PGA level, 39 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.319 I mean it can it can really improve somebody. But even just on an 40 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:07.800 everyday golfer. I mean the improvement, the amount of improvement in the score 41 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:12.439 and just peace on the golf course, making the round a little bit more 42 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:17.599 enjoyable. Is there's there's so much to that piece. Yeah. And when 43 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:24.280 people even on the pro level. Yeah, the resistance to getting help mentally, 44 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:30.759 we saw that. The struggling we saw that, and it's that's common 45 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.759 I think with golf in general. I mean, if we we should know 46 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.960 how to fix it is that mindset. But really life is not about knowing 47 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:44.520 everything right. It's about getting people to give information so that we can get 48 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:49.520 better as people, especially as golfers. Right, So I think that we'll 49 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.520 start seeing a bit of a turn there once. Once people will actually see 50 00:03:53.560 --> 00:04:00.479 the difference when you start focusing on the mental game and also being grounded what 51 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.199 I write about as well, the whole, the whole piece of the puzzle 52 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:10.479 really comes together. It's the glue that keeps everything together where mechanics meets performance 53 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:16.480 right. Right, So the book is called Grounded Golf Steady Performance under Pressure, 54 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.800 and then it might in my mind in parentheses it says for women. 55 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.839 But as I'm reading this, I'm going, what's the for women part in 56 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.480 there? I mean, I understood you why you do that, because if 57 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:35.839 it just said steady performance under pressure, women may not look at it right 58 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:40.120 because it's like, oh, they're not talking to me. But so I 59 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:46.240 understand that you put for women because I can only suppose that it's really a 60 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.519 different kind of game for men and women. Yeah, it is. It's 61 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:56.040 the reasoning behind that primarily is because it was written from a female voice. 62 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:00.480 I wanted to And you're absolutely right. The guys that I have that do 63 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.759 read it, they read their wives copies. They're like, what that's for 64 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:09.040 me? That's completely relatable. You know, it is for the female golfer, 65 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.040 but it is for the everyday, it's for professionals, it's for whatever. 66 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.079 It's just kind of my step in the door. I didn't want to 67 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.519 step on any toes when I was writing it. It is from you know, 68 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:24.360 my personal perspective and intuition, and you know, energy work does take 69 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:29.199 a little bit of an open mind, if that makes sense. So that's 70 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.759 the piece where I'm kind of starting to enter the arena and then we'll see 71 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:36.279 where it goes from there. And I'm really sensitive to criticisms, so I 72 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.399 was like, oh my gosh, if I'm on Golf Digest and they're saying, 73 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:44.800 you know, I just wanted to protect myself a little bit. Yeah, 74 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.680 well, I'm not going to criticize. So you're okay there, But 75 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.040 you don't come to golf instruction from the mental side of the game. That's 76 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:58.199 not where you you're a golf instructor LPGA side, right, Yeah, that's 77 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.879 absolutely right. So I've been teaching, fortunately over twenty six years. I 78 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:09.319 got introduced to instruction pretty early on in my career after playing for UC Berkeley, 79 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.279 so first warman on scholarship, I will not tell you how long ago 80 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:19.920 that was. And then for me, I like golf, but my personal 81 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:28.519 passion is helping others learn this game. That's where I got so much reward 82 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.920 back. So watching other people perform better because of what I was able to 83 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.000 help them with, that that to me was bringing me a lot of joy 84 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:42.759 and happiness. So that I always knew right away that that that I wanted 85 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.600 to be in the instructional piece. And that's why I tell you know, 86 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.560 teenagers and and people that they're like, oh, you know the golf is 87 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:55.800 golf is I don't like golf. Why I said, you don't have to 88 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.920 like golf, you just have to know how to play it. In the 89 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.519 future, trust me, believe me, you will want to know how to 90 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.759 play this game. So yeah, it's just I even forget what you just 91 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:11.079 asked me. But I hope I answered the question. So okay, I 92 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.519 forgot too. You know, I was talking about how you came to it 93 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.160 from the play and you didn't. And and as as a golf instructor, 94 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:24.160 not as a medal coach, that's right. And then so after I played, 95 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.439 was able to teach for a long time. Now, the LPGA has 96 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:33.160 such a great teaching program. It's just it's amazing with how they are on 97 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:40.759 the forefront of instruction. And now I'm part of the global education team helping 98 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.000 other people, other instructors learn how to teach and really get the best out 99 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.839 of their students. So yeah, this is from an instructional piece. This 100 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.800 is absolutely how I know how to help people on the course, working a 101 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:58.319 little bit away from mechanics when you go when you have the mechanics and once 102 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.560 they're set, soon you can get to the play piece as sooner you can 103 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.839 get on the golf course, the more beneficial everything is. And even you 104 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:15.160 know for my professionals as well, just being on the course and really getting 105 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.319 into what's happening, how you're feeling, and how to get grounded and play 106 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.319 from that ground zero, that neutral piece when you're under pressure. That was 107 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.160 like the most important part. So yes, I came from a player perspective, 108 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.840 very instructional, and now that I'm working on this more intuitive piece to 109 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.919 the puzzle, it has just been a complete game changer for not only myself 110 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.840 but my students as well. That's incredible. Did you actually say I like 111 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.840 golf, but I don't love golf. I don't love golf. I'm not 112 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.159 that person that really golf. I playing golf. I should say I love 113 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:58.000 to teach, I love to help others. I think that as a junior 114 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:05.360 golfer there's a piece of burnout stage that unless you're going the distance. I 115 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.759 was that person that hated to practice but was really good on the golf course. 116 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.320 You know, that can only take you so far. And I really 117 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.559 never had that that desire to go professional, and I'm glad I didn't. 118 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.440 I was able to have a family. I've got two teenage girls upstairs. 119 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:26.399 One's going to college for lacrosse. And yes, they both know how to 120 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.639 play golf. They're not golfers in their space, but they both know how 121 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.559 to play golf quite well. But one of them is lacrosse and the other 122 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.519 one's getting into the cross as well, but was soccer. So and these 123 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.559 pieces are the puzzle. They hear their mom talk all the time, and 124 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.000 you know, getting grounded is a piece of every part of the things that 125 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.320 we do. When Jenny's out on a lacrosse field, or she got her 126 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.600 wisdom teeth pulled yesterday, poor thing, and I said, you know, 127 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.440 make sure you're grounded. Make sure, you're you're in your space. You 128 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:01.039 know you're being taken care of the you know, just the vision, see 129 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.799 the end results, see yourself walking out of here. Everything's fine. And 130 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.000 sure enough it took the pressure off. She was able to relax and you 131 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.840 can use it in everyday life. Wow, that's great. But you know, 132 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.879 you went to UC Berkeley and that's a pretty academic place, but they 133 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.360 have some some you know, D one sports, so you had to love 134 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.399 it playing, I guess, you know. I mean, you just don't 135 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.919 go to cal thinking that you're going to be a golf instructor. You're there 136 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.360 to compete. I was. I was there to you don't get scholarships. 137 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.279 Yeah, I was on scholarship. I was. It was right when they 138 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.919 first started. I think housy Berkeley was one of the last two when title 139 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.840 nine came through to get on board. There was a Pac ten conference back 140 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.200 in the day, so they were the last Pac ten team. And yeah, 141 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:58.840 I did. I did enjoy playing. I enjoyed scoring well. But 142 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.000 and it wasn't academic school and it was, but it was my job at 143 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.440 that point, right, So when you're getting when you're on scholarship, it's 144 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.799 not just for fun. You know, you're getting paid to provide some really 145 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.200 good scores, and the pressure is on, and you know it's a lot 146 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.919 to balance. And when you say getting paid, we're putting air quotes and 147 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.279 getting paid, at least in those days scholarships. What I mean, I 148 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.240 don't know you have is your birthday. I don't know what just happened. 149 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.000 I did air quotes and all of a sudden on the video balloon started flying. 150 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.799 Doesn't work for quotes. That was the strangest thing I've ever seen. 151 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.799 All right, listen, I'm gonna try to figure it out. We're going 152 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:52.320 to take a time out. We'll be back after this. So when did 153 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.480 the epiphany come that you're like, oh, I like to play golf, 154 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:03.960 but I love to teach. Let's see, my freshman year at UC Berkeley, 155 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.759 we were invited down, a couple of us that were doing well on 156 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:13.120 the team. We're invited down to be counselors at the Nike Junior Golf camp 157 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:18.879 down in Pebble Beach. That was not a terrible I know right there. 158 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.200 It was not a terrible summer job. I have to admit it was awesome. 159 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.559 We went down, we stayed at Robert Louis Stevenson and the Nike Junior 160 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:37.320 golf camps were fantastic. So I helped other juniors get into golf and I 161 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.120 was able to work under a really great mentor. His name was rich Merrick 162 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.120 at the time. I think he was Hank Haney's understudy for quite some time. 163 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:54.600 But he was fantastics, so we as counselors got during our lunch break, 164 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.639 he would work with us and teach us how to teach other people. 165 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.639 So we're teaching those juniors. I mean, we've all been and we all 166 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.320 know how to play, but there is a different piece of being a player 167 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:09.480 and actually helping being an instructor and really being able to teach to a student 168 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:16.639 to get them to understand and make golf relatable for them. So there is 169 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:24.480 the assumption that play all players can teach golf is a little skewed, we'll 170 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.720 say, and not a lot of players want to teach golf, but there's 171 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:33.679 definitely if you're doing a student centered golf lesson that becomes really important. And 172 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.559 that's what the LPGA piece is all about, is that if you're in a 173 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.600 class a coming out of the LPGA. LPGA is primarily teaching. It is 174 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:48.559 showing how to give a student centered swing model lesson. So you are listening 175 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:50.600 to your student. You're not going up and somebody's going to yell at you 176 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.200 what you're doing or talk to you what you tell you what you're going to 177 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.279 do. It's really about listening to the student, getting to know them one 178 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.360 on one, and then finding out what their long term goal is and how 179 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.480 to make it best for their lessons. So that piece and Rich had a 180 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.919 lot of that, so I was able to kind of I just I loved 181 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:13.200 it because you know, you can get to know a student, help them 182 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:20.720 out, and then they become great golfers afterwards. So that's I don't know 183 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.600 how fast forward you want to go, but that's what another piece of how 184 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.360 I love the LPGA program because it is only on teaching. It is there 185 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:35.639 above and beyond what they what the normal golf lesson looks like, at least 186 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.039 when I was growing up. When I was growing up, he just showed 187 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.879 up and they told you what to do, and he left and you had 188 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.039 to practice, and it was always mechanics, always mechanics, always mechanics. 189 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.120 Well, when somebody steps up to the golf tea the practice tea for the 190 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.360 first time trying to get a lesson. They're not there to learn the metal 191 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.919 game though they are mechanics. You're absolutely right. When you're starting out, 192 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.519 it is about the mechanic next piece. But getting to know your student doesn't 193 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.360 stop there, right, So finding out what they've done best in their life. 194 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.840 So, say you've got a mid maybe a forty year old executive or 195 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.279 whoever's coming to your lesson tee and they want to you know, they want 196 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.720 to play better, or maybe they're just starting out. What do you do? 197 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.039 What did you do when you were a kid? What sport did you 198 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.399 play growing up? Well? What you know? Are you music? Did 199 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.399 you play an instrument? Do you know about tempo? Do you know about 200 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.679 you know, anything that can relate to the golf swing? Is I mean, 201 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.440 that's just kind of that's teaching one on one right. If you can 202 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.600 take a student and relate to something that they did well in the past, 203 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.399 as far as golf, and relate that to the golf swing, you get 204 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.200 so much more performance right off the bat with mechanics, so that piece of 205 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.960 the puzzle is super important, and also how they learn. How people learn 206 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.039 so differently. You know, if you have a visual learner and you're teaching 207 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.399 them how to feel the swing and the back swing, that might not necessarily 208 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:10.480 be great for them. So that piece, Yes, it's mechanics, but 209 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.200 you have to know so much more to how to get through to the student. 210 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.000 How can they learn best and how can they learn fastest? If that 211 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.879 makes sense to get out to the golf course, and even if it's business, 212 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.480 you know, executives, what do you do when you're running a meeting? 213 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.639 Do you run a meeting like without any practice or do you have all 214 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.480 your information beforehand? How much is your data? Like when you are speaking 215 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.200 in front of somebody? You know, what tools do you use? Okay, 216 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.919 well let's use those here? So what do you see? What is 217 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.440 the outcome? What is the ultimate outcome? Now let's move back from there, 218 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.440 and how do we explain that to the student? And the student's part 219 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:52.519 of the instruction. It's so important that it's not just mechanics. It's mechanics 220 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:57.399 blended with how that person learns and how can they learn best. So I 221 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.399 think that after twenty six years, that's why I'm not bored. I think 222 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.039 a lot of instructors do get bored. If giving the same lesson every day, 223 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:07.640 well, I don't think I've given the same lesson every day since I 224 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:14.160 was you know, maybe twenty or something like that. The every single lesson 225 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.160 that I give is about this puzzle, like, what is the puzzle? 226 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.680 What is this person? Where are they coming from? What is their goal? 227 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:22.640 How do they learn? What do they do? And how can I 228 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:30.039 best make this game better for them? And how quickly can we do it? 229 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.160 That? For me, that's my goal is think, Okay, what 230 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.599 can I say here? What is that one nugget one or two max nuggets 231 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:42.319 that is really going to make a huge difference to their performance on the course 232 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:52.119 or performance on the on the range if they haven't played before. But so 233 00:17:52.519 --> 00:18:00.559 what what what is the the difference in teachings, say the mental game versus 234 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:07.000 course management? I mean, you know, because you can't give course management 235 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.599 lessons while you're on the driving range, right, correct, can you? 236 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:18.039 So you're asking what's the difference between course management and the mental game? Is 237 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.839 that what you're asking? Well? Yeah, teaching teaching, that's that's a 238 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.720 huge difference, isn't it. It is a huge difference, and you can 239 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.119 you can look at it as one piece where I see it all as one 240 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:36.079 piece. But people that teach you can teach course management without teaching the mental 241 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.480 game. But is it a lot. It's much more. It's much better 242 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.680 if you can combine the two, if you have an instructor that combines both 243 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.880 of them. I mean it is really hard because sometimes the mental game are 244 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:51.759 more sports psychologists. So you know, it's if you can find a pro 245 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.160 that does this with both of them, that's I mean, it's a total 246 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.640 game changer because it's not just about course strategy, right, it's I mean 247 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.519 you can, okay, you're going to hit it here, and you're going 248 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.400 to hit it here, and you're going to have an outcome, and there's 249 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.480 your goal, and you can do things to prepare with routine and everything, 250 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.240 but what is that missing piece that's going to glue it all together. You 251 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.519 can see your shot and you can be you know, I'm going to do 252 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.160 this with your my swing. I'm going to execute this way. But and 253 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.039 sometimes it works for people, but when you're putting pressure and performance on top 254 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:29.359 of that, good luck thinking about mechanics and you know, I'm going to 255 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.359 put it here here here. You know, having a plan is huge. 256 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:36.119 That is that to me is course management, having a plan how to execute 257 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:42.359 on the course. Mental game is that piece of the glue that puts everything 258 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.960 together, like, Okay, you've got your plan, you've got your routine. 259 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.480 Now how are you going to take all these butterflies and all this doubt 260 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:56.000 and all this Oh my gosh, there's water and you know, don't hit 261 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.119 it bad. Or you're on the first tee and you're playing with coworkers or 262 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.279 executives and you're saying, I hope I don't embarrass myself, right, I 263 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.720 mean that is that's the biggest way people come to me as I just don't 264 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.400 want to embarrass myself out there. Well, you could have all the mechanics, 265 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.559 you can have all the you know, the core strategy in the world, 266 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.559 but that piece of embarrassment that's hanging out back here, you've got to 267 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:23.599 we've got to do something with that, and you've got to know what to 268 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.799 think about and how to get beyond that piece because it's always going to be 269 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.440 there, Right, it's there, But where do you put your mental focus? 270 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:37.039 And that's where the mental game comes in. Right? Interesting, All 271 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.200 right, one more time out? Did I get to what you were? 272 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.839 Did I get you did you did? I appreciate that, Thank you, 273 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.880 that was good. I want to talk about the book and we'll do that 274 00:20:48.039 --> 00:21:00.839 after this break, Darrel, who are your mental game gurus? Who are 275 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.599 your heroes? As far as you know that you like to go, oh, 276 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.799 yeah, I want to incorporate that person's teaching into what I do. 277 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.799 Yeah, I think that it's been a combination of so many I mean, 278 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.039 I've read a lot of mental game books that has just been from Fred Shoemaker 279 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:26.359 to Bob Rotella to Joseph Parent, you know, the whole piece. And 280 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.599 I'm big into you know, Vision fifty four is a big change for a 281 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.359 lot of a lot of people out on the color. So these people, 282 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:38.880 I mean are amazing at what they do and I don't. I don't pretend 283 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.680 to be a golf psychologist. I am not one, but I do know 284 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.599 how to help people get to the point where they can perform under pressure, 285 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.839 and I do it a little bit differently, right, So my book's all 286 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:56.039 a little difference. Got that little little hint of difference as far as where 287 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.279 I think I heard on your podcast when you were talking to mister Zenngolf, 288 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.599 just pin Joe, doctor Joe we're playing at neutral was really important. Right, 289 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.160 You've got the you've got the push pull, you've got here, You've 290 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.440 got neutral, and playing under neutral, as most of every all of these 291 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.079 people talk about, is really important. That's how you get to performance when 292 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.680 you're not playing too excited, you're not playing down, you're playing from a 293 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.880 point of neutral. You know what I'm talking about, right? So performance, 294 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.000 well, for me, it's like how do you get to neutral? 295 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:37.960 And that for me when I started working with energy and working with my with 296 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:42.720 my person who's an energist, and she taught me so much, so much 297 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.640 about how to get grounded and how to you know, help others but also 298 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:56.319 understand what's happening energetically in our world and that we are electromagnetic beings in ourselves. 299 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.640 I think Einstein once he proved that energy was you didn't have to have 300 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.519 mass to have energy is just blue. It's just we just went into a 301 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:11.079 different space. Right. So the piece of how to get to neutral and 302 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:18.599 how to get to performance performing under pressure, that piece is what's a little 303 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.200 bit different for me. So there's a lot of meditation that people can do, 304 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.039 that you can do visual visualization. For me, it's grounding. And 305 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.319 this is a technique. I mean there's first of all, there's many techniques 306 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:36.960 how to ground This has been around four centuries ancient times. These you know, 307 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:44.640 these from monks to spiritual healers, to intuitives to you know, psychics 308 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.039 if you want to get crazy. But it's it's a piece of using energy, 309 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.920 right, Friend's like, I'm in this is the core. This is 310 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.480 what I've been trying to get me to talk about here, psychics. I 311 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.599 don't see psychics being a crazy concept. But you know, California kids, 312 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.079 So what do I know? Right? You are right with some of myco 313 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:10.000 So it's that piece that that's a little bit different. That's a lot different 314 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.200 actually. So the energy that works around people. You can feel energy. 315 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.119 You can feel it when you're playing with somebody on the golf course that is 316 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:25.000 like notoriously slow and you're just like, oh if so it affects you, 317 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:30.200 right, that effect is part of their energy getting in Like that's that's the 318 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.160 first of all. We need to learn how to keep our energy to ourselves. 319 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:34.440 And when you do, you know, when you talk to people and 320 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:40.000 you're feeling drained after that, that's an energy exchange that you're taking on all 321 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:47.200 their stuff but being able to keep your energy to yourself in order to perform. 322 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.160 And I'm just going to talk from the performance piece and specifically golf because 323 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:52.079 that's just what I know. I mean, we can do this. I 324 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.920 mean, when you're sitting in traffic and you're so frustrated with the person in 325 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.039 front of you and these crazy moms that are off their kids, that you 326 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.279 know, you when you get grounded and when you get your energy, that 327 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.319 is that's the piece. So I'm going to keep it to the golf course 328 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.720 and performance. So so you're on the eighteenth hole and you've got you know, 329 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.440 crowd, I mean, this is more of the PGA or LPG program, 330 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.759 the crowds of people around you you are going to All you have to 331 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.319 do is you know, hit it up on the green and two put for 332 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.519 power to win or whatever. That that's not easy. And you were right 333 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:34.720 in saying how these guys perform under pressure is beyond what we know. I 334 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.079 mean, is it's really incredible what they are able to do. However, 335 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.160 if they're not able to do it, we can see that as well. 336 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.400 I mean, that's that's why I think that Tiger was so good back in 337 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.440 the day when he didn't know any better. All he could all that's all 338 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.039 he saw. It was so simple, just hit perform, go, and 339 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.720 then life happens and stuff happens, and then it affects your energy. Right, 340 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.359 So what do you do in that space? And for me, it's 341 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:07.279 grounding. If your student, if you as a golfer, can get grounded 342 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:12.200 in your space, meaning you are feeling the earth, your energy is here. 343 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:18.400 Not I'm worried about three petting and losing this tournament. Not oh my 344 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.319 gosh, I'm going to shoot, you know, my best score ever if 345 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:23.880 I can just get up and down, not you know, all these pieces 346 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.680 of say the mental game that we try to get beyond, right, that's 347 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.960 where the visualization come in. But I think there's this other part of grounding 348 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.319 where you need to get in your space. You need to keep your energy 349 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:40.960 rolling at a tempo that's here, and that's coming from not just earth energy, 350 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:48.119 but also you know, like I have a source I will say source 351 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.240 energy or divine energy. So those who do feel like there is a higher 352 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.799 power out there, no matter what spirituality you are or religion you are, 353 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.319 there's usually a higher power of soor if you're an atheist, I'm not sure 354 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.599 if this show's here for you. But you're just kidding. But there's a 355 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.720 higher power of some sort or energy or or yeah, and you know you 356 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.880 don't have a deity that they believe in. That energy is in your heart, 357 00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.559 right in your heart. That's that's where the higher power is. It's 358 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.559 in your absolutely, So you're calling on it and you're you're just asking for 359 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:29.079 neutrality to perform. You're seeing everything becomes more clear. Right you are coming 360 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.920 in with divine energy that is clear. It's almost like you're the whole path 361 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.880 is just laid out. You can see your shot. You can see you 362 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.799 know what that You can feel the wind because you're not distracted by all this 363 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.039 other stuff. You see what the wind is doing. You can feel your 364 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.839 your swing it so I keep hitting this microphone. Sorry, you're feeling the 365 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:53.359 swing. You're feeling your tempo. When you are grounded and your energy is 366 00:27:53.640 --> 00:28:00.559 yours and you are pulling it from your place and you're what you you believe 367 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.920 in and also bringing it into earth. It is unbelievable the amount of performance 368 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.880 that can happen. I mean, you will surprise yourself it's like miracles happen 369 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.519 on the golf course. It's incredible getting to that space. And the more 370 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.240 you can ground throughout the day to get in practice of grounding is amazing. 371 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.279 And it doesn't take a lot of time. I can ground in seconds, 372 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.279 Like right here, I'm just making sure making sure I'm grounded, to make 373 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.440 sure that I'm getting the message across that I need to. This is again 374 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.640 ancient. It is energy work, is what it's called. You're just working 375 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.519 energy and you're calling on it and you're keeping it to yourself and you're trying 376 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:47.720 to get yourself in a space of neutrality so that you can perform under pressure 377 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:53.240 in any sport. But we're talking specifically golf. Yeah, and I think 378 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.920 you just came up with the title of this episode, which is Miracles happen 379 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:03.160 on the golf course. Miracles happened, right, Miracles happened. But that's 380 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.960 grounded Golf, right, which is the title of the book that's Grounded Golf. 381 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.440 Yeah, but you got to you got to be there to get there. 382 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.720 Yeah, exactly. There's just the piece of doubt that and just instead 383 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.720 of doubt, we're thinking, Okay, we can make this happen. This 384 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.319 miracle can happen. It's gonna happen. We gotta make it. Kid, 385 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.880 you have a wonderful anecdote in the book that I hope you can share with 386 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:33.720 us about the player who just was totally frazzled and couldn't play. You know 387 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.640 what I'm talking about. I do. It's my first chapter. It is 388 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.079 such it was. You know, of all the people, the Fred Shoemaker, 389 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:51.759 Bob Jones, and doctor Joe and Robert K. Winter and I can 390 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:56.079 go on and on by the list of mental coaches that we've had conversations with. 391 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.119 That to me was like, wait a minute, I've never heard that 392 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:06.880 approach. We've never had that conversation, so please share that story. Sure. 393 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.119 So it was earlier on in my career. I was working as an 394 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.519 assistant pro at that time. I was still teaching, but one of one 395 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.920 of the better players at the club. I should say, I'm not gonna 396 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:26.079 I did name names, but you know, he came down and I was 397 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:27.960 in the golf shop. I was starting people off, and he just said, 398 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.519 you know, I did have a good reputation at the time for instruction. 399 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.880 So he came straight to me. He said, Tara, and he 400 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.240 was frazzled. He was like, I was like, who's this guy? 401 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:38.480 He's like, I can't hit the ball. I was like, what do 402 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.880 you mean you're like a plus two handicap. What do you mean you can't 403 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.559 hit the ball. He's like, Tara, I cannot get the club on 404 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:52.039 the ball. It is I can't. I'm literally tow top I can't. 405 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.519 You've I've never seen anything like it. I'm he was traumatized. Traumatized, 406 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.359 right, and I think everybody goes through this. You know, I can't 407 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.240 stop shanking, I can't blah blah blah. So we can all relate to 408 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.200 it. So anyways, I said, okay, right, I'll meet you 409 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.839 up there and give me three minutes. I'll meet you up at the range. 410 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.240 Go on up there. I'll don't hit another golf ball, just wait 411 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.400 for me. So I had my coworker just cover the counter and I walked 412 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.599 up there and I said, okay, show me what's happening. And sure 413 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:25.160 enough, he could not hit the ball. It was top top, top 414 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.200 top. And we're talking somebody who plays daily. He was in a skins 415 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.200 group. I mean they played every day at twelve and it was just it 416 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.680 was amazing what I was seeing in front of my eyes not in a good 417 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.599 way. So and that's when I think I started really intuitively typing tapping into 418 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.359 people. And because for him it was he was completely frazzled. I was 419 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.160 like, Okay, how am I going to get this guy back into his 420 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:55.759 body first of all, because he's clearly somewhere else, and back, get 421 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:57.960 his back in his golf swing back, and so you know, I had 422 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.000 him first of all. I just had him swing without a ball several times. 423 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.519 But at that time I was asking him questions, Okay, what happened 424 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.759 this morning? Where did you just come from. Where did you take me 425 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.480 through your morning? What did you eat for breakfast? For goindness sakes, 426 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.039 did you eat breakfast? You know what's happening here. So he's and I 427 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.680 said, just take air swings, air swings. You're not going to hit 428 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.799 a golf ball right now. You're going to tell me exactly what happened. 429 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.559 I said, Well, I got up, I had breakfast, I went 430 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.079 to this meeting. We're trying to buy this property and it's just not going 431 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.839 the way to way. And we just got out of the meeting and it's 432 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.880 and he was in the meeting. That's where he was. He was not 433 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.960 on the golf course. His mind. He was so frustrated with how it 434 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.680 went in the meeting that he brought it to the course with him. And 435 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.640 how many times do we do that? I mean all the time? Right? 436 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:52.240 And sure enough, his energy that was from the meeting was in his 437 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.240 golf swing physically, in his golf swing, not just mental. I mean 438 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.119 it was affecting him physically. It was shocking. So I said, okay, 439 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.519 so what happened in the meeting? Can you fix it now? No? 440 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.359 But I know what I need to do, Okay, Right, that 441 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.680 meeting is going to be left. And see that. You see your car 442 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.960 over there, it's going to be waiting for you when you get it off 443 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.279 the golf course. That's where it's going to stay. And that's where it's 444 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.799 going to go now once you're here. And at this time, I was, 445 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.240 you know, grounding myself, just really trying to stay calm so I 446 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:28.119 could help him stay like getting to a calm space, taking some practice swings, 447 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.039 and then once you got his tempo, I said, what did it 448 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:35.799 feel like when you played your best golf? What was your swing like? 449 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.440 What did you think about what did you do? And when you're working with 450 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.480 a pro that's really really good, they'll be doing the same thing. So 451 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.680 I'm not saying that this is new, but this is what I did at 452 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.519 that time. What did you do show me that golf swing? I never 453 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.480 thought about anything. I thought about my target and I just watched the ball. 454 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:52.400 I said, great, that's what we're going to do right now. 455 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.279 But you don't have a ball and put its tea in the ground. So 456 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.279 it was really going back. He's like, what am I going back to 457 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.799 grounds there? I said, yes, you're going back to grid. And 458 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.880 within ten minutes, I mean, it seems like you know I'm telling this 459 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.480 story, but it was only within ten minutes. He had his swing back. 460 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.119 So I put a golf ball in front of him, he took his 461 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:14.280 swing and bam, his swing was back. And he was like and he 462 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.239 just you could just see he just relaxed and he was like, okay, 463 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.039 it didn't disappear. And I said, well what happened. He's like, 464 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.039 I was clearly still in the meeting. I said, yeah, you were. 465 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.119 And that's and it's not just you that does that, that's everybody. 466 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:34.440 But with a second, you step out onto this range or into this clubhouse 467 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.880 or on the first tee. All your stuff needs to be all your energy, 468 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.239 all your bad energy, good energy. All your stuff needs to be 469 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.280 left in that car. It will be waiting for us when we're off the 470 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.440 course. But in that space you need to we need to really focus on 471 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.679 your swing and your outcome. So sure enough, he teed off with the 472 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.800 with the group. He came in, got the skins. He came in. 473 00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.800 I think he had low growth for the day. I think he shot 474 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.760 six or something. I mean, it's just it was really fascinating how that 475 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.079 happened. But it's what we go through, isn't it. Im. I've 476 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.760 had days out there where I couldn't stop slicing. I was like, what 477 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:15.199 is going on? And then I realized backstory, it was mid terms or 478 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:21.519 finals or something was on my mind, And it is just it's shocking how 479 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:27.800 that can really physically affect how we perform. Absolutely, And I think that 480 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.559 you know, we've all had we're like, you feel like I had a 481 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.360 great session on the you know, driving range, warming up, and I 482 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:37.679 come out here in the first two holes. What is going on? I 483 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.559 can't figure it out, And it's just like, yeah, you've did the 484 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.000 stuff that happened that you brought with you on the course today, it's still 485 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.159 there and you got to leave in the car, It'll be there. I 486 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.239 love that. I love that so much. All Right, I'm going to 487 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.599 take one more break and then we'll be back with Ta Fox, author of 488 00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:06.199 Grounded Golf. Right after this, Daryl, what's the future of golf? 489 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:13.280 Yeah, I see a shift happening where we're of course, mechanics are important. 490 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.840 I'm not saying they're not. But once you get your mechanics stand to 491 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.880 a point of playability, this is the way we're going to be changing. 492 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:22.440 Well, if golfers want to get better, and if they want to perform 493 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:29.639 under pressure, the mental space, the grounding space, the performance place that 494 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.559 needs to be taught much earlier than when it's being taught. So getting with 495 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.519 a pro and everybody is different. Sometimes you'll have two pros, maybe you'll 496 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.519 have a mental of course, you'll have a mental coach and a swing coach. 497 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.639 Sometimes those two can go together. It's not like it's there are only 498 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.400 a few of us, but there will be. I think there will be 499 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.400 more and more moving forward. But if you look at the PGA and LPGA, 500 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.800 they have a team. They have teams out there, and you've got 501 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.880 your swing coach, you've got your shart game coach, you've got your mental 502 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.599 coach, you've got your you know, sports psychologists, you've got your regular 503 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.960 psychologists. The things that all matter, don't you're nutritionists and your nutritionists and 504 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:21.000 your fitness person. Yet so it is helpful when one person can combine a 505 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.079 couple different spaces, which is good, but that's not always your golf pro 506 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.599 And it's really just what you want, what you're looking for. What is 507 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.000 the long term goal? What is the long term goal? Is the long 508 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.519 term goal? A perfect golf swing, if it is mechanics, stay there 509 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.800 all day, every day. But I can tell you by personal experience, 510 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:45.199 a perfect golf swing is not going to help you score. No, And 511 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.679 it doesn't exist except for maybe one or two people. Yeah. I just 512 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.559 if you're looking for perfect in anything, you're on the wrong track because it 513 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.199 ain't no perfect playable that's what we're after. Playable life as well. Yeah 514 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.760 life isn't perfect, but if you can make it playable, we're good. 515 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:12.119 There you go and get it out of the rough in life itself and get 516 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.119 it out of the rough, get it out of the rufe. I want 517 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.559 to pivot a little bit here and talk about the business that you have with 518 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:24.679 your husband. So the business came about when I was director of instruction over 519 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.440 at Silverada Resort and Spa in northern California. I would take some of my 520 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.280 clients to Ireland each year and they were they loved it and they wanted to 521 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.639 go to Scotland and I hadn't been to Scotland before. Ireland was my jam 522 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:45.760 for a long time, and so we booked a trip to Scotland and I 523 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:52.079 used a tour operator who was English and it was great, It was fantastic. 524 00:38:52.639 --> 00:39:00.119 It just happened that this tour operator was best friends with this gentleman named 525 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.519 Alan, and I came in. I flew in a couple days beforehand. 526 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.199 I said, you know, do you want to I was like, how 527 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.440 are we getting our people here? What are we doing? You know, 528 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.000 I'm a little bit of a control person as far as making sure my clients 529 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.559 are taken care of, just like I am on the list and to you, 530 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.559 I just want to make sure everybody's taken care of. So he said, 531 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.760 yeah, just meet us for drinks. I were at the St Andrew's 532 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.039 Golf Club and I was like, okay. I was like, and for 533 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.239 a golfer, right, this is a big deal. I mean, I'm 534 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.320 in Saint Andrew's, the home of golf. I've been invited as a woman 535 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.320 to the Saint Andrew's Golf Club, which is an all men's club. You 536 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.440 don't just meet anybody there, it's you know. So I'm like, okay, 537 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.440 what do I wear? Of course that's what I wan't going to say. 538 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.400 Put on a black jacket, black pants, heels, blah blah blah, 539 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.719 walk straight into the Royal and Ancient golf Club. I had no idea 540 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.679 they were having a black tie affair. I said, I think I'm in 541 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.480 the wrong place. I said, oh, no problem, he said, 542 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.639 where do you I'm not going to do a Scottish accent. I'm terrible at 543 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.679 it. What are you looking at? For? Us? At the St 544 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.639 Andrew's Golf Club? Right right over there, that door, right across from 545 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.760 the eighteenth green on the old course. I mean, I'm right here on 546 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.719 the old course. Here's the club. So I walk over, I walk 547 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.880 in, I meet my tour operator and his best friend, who's who was 548 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:21.440 Alan, and Alan was at that time vice captain of the Saint Andrew's Golf 549 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.960 Club. He took care of our group for Adrian because they were good friends. 550 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.840 So when my group came in, he treated them all the drinks. 551 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.920 He you know, really took care of us during our run. And that 552 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.400 was special for them because they were in a local, local club. Sorry 553 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.480 about my my puglet, here's making some noise. So that was amazing. 554 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.000 And anyway, so I brought another group over later that year. Alan did 555 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.400 the same thing for us, and my first group said, you know, 556 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.719 Tara, this this guy was really great with us. We want to treat 557 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.599 him. He's never been to the States before. Can you make the call 558 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.920 bring him over? I said absolutely, So I call Alan. I said, 559 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.039 listen, you've been invited. If you can come to you know, 560 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.679 the Napa Valley, we would love to have you. And sure enough he 561 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.920 was there a few weeks later. It was the end of the season that 562 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.079 yeah, yeah, it was the Silverado group that wanted to entertain him. 563 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:21.719 Yeah, it's silverto and I was had a really wonderful I don't ever talk 564 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.480 names about my clients ever, but this one I just will throw it out 565 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.400 there because it had everything to do with how we're together. One of my 566 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.639 time my clients was Thomas Keller at the time, who, as you know, 567 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.239 owns the French Laundry. And I said, Thomas said, I don't 568 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.280 know. I don't know what I'm going to do with this guy Ham. 569 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.519 We're going to kind of entertain He's like Terry, he's playing golf. He's 570 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.559 like, does he eat food? I said, yeah, I'm sure he 571 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:45.840 eats food. Thomas, he said, bring him to the restaurant and I 572 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.760 said, are you sure. I was like, which one? He said, 573 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.199 whichever one you want. I said, well, that's pretty amazing. 574 00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:00.159 So he made reservations for us at his restaurant and that was Alan and my 575 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.000 first kind of one on one. He flew into San Francisco, brought him 576 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.199 up to NAPA and that was our one on one and after wonderful, incredible 577 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.840 three hour meal, I said, you know, there's just something about this 578 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.559 guy. And I said, listen, you're not allowed to go home until 579 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.719 you have a trip back. I was single at the time, and he 580 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.760 was just amazing. So that was our first date the French Laundry. From 581 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:28.119 there, it just got better. So we had our connection as the Andrews, 582 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.119 I know it was. It was incredible. They he played golf all 583 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.519 all week and that was our Yeah, that was our first experience. He's 584 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:43.400 just an incredible, incredible human being. His wife had passed year prior and 585 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.000 he was just on this way. I wasn't sure what he was going to 586 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:52.639 do, but hit the connection there was really really important. So that's what 587 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.840 came of TMI Golf. My instructional kind of my own travel ended up being 588 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.440 Alan and Saint Andrew and so we brought started bringing groups to Saint Andrew's still 589 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.000 going to Ireland and now we're bringing groups to Portugal and Spain, the Costa 590 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.199 all Soul we do. We're probably going to do southern France soon. So 591 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.400 it's just kind of where we want to go is where we we bring our 592 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.239 people, but we also those who want to bring people and group bring groups 593 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.559 of people. That's where we help best, where we can really create that 594 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.400 personal experience for them. And if it is Saint Andrews or the UK, 595 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.840 you get a local person with you, which Alan knows that town inside and 596 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.679 out. It's really incredible, so and he you know, the UK people 597 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.239 are him in particular. They would always vacation of Portugal, in Spain. 598 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.920 They wouldn't go to Ireland they was too cold there, right, they would 599 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.280 go to other places. So his knowledge of Portugal, of golf in Portugal 600 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.360 and in Costa all soul is amazing as well. So we just play all 601 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.280 his favorite courses and it's it's pretty phenomenal. We make it's fun and it's 602 00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.440 fun. Yeah. So if you're thinking of taking a trip to the UK 603 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:07.360 or Portugal or Spain and want to do a golf trip, it's TMI golf 604 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.480 dot com. That's right, TMI golf dot com. So at least do 605 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.480 your investigation on that one. You got to figure that one out. I 606 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.199 think I'm going to be tapping into that t MII golf dot com next year. 607 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.639 Sometimes absolutely we do still looking forward, we do a lot of because 608 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.199 I do the trips as well. I do a lot of ladies trips as 609 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:31.199 well, so that's kind of But don't worry if you're a gent Alan still 610 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:36.639 contast us because Alan does all the trips there. So it's very very fun. 611 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.159 But ladies specifically, if you're a single, I want to go places, 612 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.480 give me a call. Yeah, I'm curious is how often do you 613 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:52.320 have a group of guys wanting to do a UK golf trip and all bring 614 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.800 their spouses, some bring their spouses or none bring the what's generally what happens 615 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.480 there? Yeah, it depends usually they is that it kind of they call 616 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.039 they have their group of guys that they want to They've been given permission to 617 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.199 go take a guy's golf trip, so that's all they call for. The 618 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.239 ladies will be a little bit more generous, be like, oh honey, 619 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.440 do you want to come on my golf trip? And that was where they 620 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.719 come to the couples, if that makes sense. So all my ladies are 621 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:23.519 allowed to bring their their significant others if they like. But yeah, it's 622 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.199 it's that's we do it all. We do it all. But the guys 623 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:37.239 do like to travel Together's funny because my my seventieth birthday will be in summer 624 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.559 of twenty twenty five. Congratulations every year away from that. Wow, Well, 625 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.159 I'm not there yet, so there's nothing. Congratulate me on you and 626 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:49.239 I still have to text there. As Charles Barkley said, I'm on the 627 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.079 back nine. I just don't know if I'm on ten or eighteen at this 628 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.360 point. It's so funny, right, But my wife recently told me, 629 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.760 she goes, you know what, for your birthday, they're seventieth, why 630 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.599 don't you do a golf trip to the UK with your buddies? And I'm 631 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.119 like, really, yeah, you can go, that's fine. And then 632 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.599 she told one of our friends and the wife said, I'd love to go 633 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:14.239 on that you want to go? And my wife's like, uh, I 634 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.519 didn't even think of that, And I'm like, don't, don't think about 635 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.159 that because that changes the trip. I mean, I've done golf, you 636 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.880 know, in the United States. I've done golf trips with friends on an 637 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:30.119 annual basis, and it's just like, uh, I feel it would feel 638 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:37.039 awful to bring you along because I'm not going to be with you much at 639 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.119 all. You know, even after the round, we're hanging out, we're 640 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:43.800 laughing, we're you know, we're doing silly things and it's not something I 641 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.280 would do around you. I know. It does go both ways, and 642 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.559 if you do end up bringing her, we keep them very busy. We 643 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.079 keep the significant others if they're non golfers, pretty busy during the day. 644 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.639 If they want to do touring, there's tons of castles or lots of things, 645 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.599 so they won't be missing you much. But yeah, there are so 646 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:06.639 many. Saint Andrews is such a friendly town and you don't even you don't 647 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.320 need much transportation, just walking around and just being there. It's a really 648 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.280 it's a very special place, certainly for myself but most luckily for me. 649 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.639 Yeah, luckily for me. My wife's not looking for just spas and shopping, 650 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.440 although okay it's on the list, but you know, a lot of 651 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.880 hiking, a lot of nature. Yeah, that's a lot of interacting with 652 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:30.960 locals. That's what she wants to do. That's what we like to do 653 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.639 right when we travel. I love that so great, So tomigolf dot com. 654 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.639 Yeah, and your website for your golf instruction, do you give remote 655 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.519 lessons as well? Yes, I do, Usually you would fly into Las 656 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:52.320 Vegas. I also do workshops for ground your it's groundeurgolf dot com and or 657 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.320 you can do ton intuitive golf pro dot com. I do both. I 658 00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.320 have workshops. I do one on one instruction. We also put to gather 659 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.039 some grounded golf trips, which are fun as well because it in concludes that 660 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:09.400 space of on the course training. If that makes sense. So making sure 661 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:17.079 everybody's grounded learning how to ground learning those techniques, It's just it just makes 662 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:22.920 a huge difference to your game, especially under pressure. Awesome. All right, 663 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.639 So TMI golf dot com, ground your golf dot Com and what was 664 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.960 the third one? Oh? Or Intuitive intuitive golf pro dot com. They're 665 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:35.000 both the same, ground your Golf or Intuitive golf pro dot Com. They're 666 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.800 both the same. They point to the same space. The travel will be 667 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.880 TMI golf. Okay, and why did you get a second? Was ground 668 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.599 yourgolf dot Com? After the book came out? That was the book for 669 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.840 two different Yeah. Well I wasn't the Intuitive Golf Pro until after that book. 670 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.199 So that's when everybody started coming to me for golf lessons. That meant 671 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.840 that were a little bit deeper. That's where intudo Golf program. But I 672 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:06.760 don't want several different websites. I just want it's all in one space which 673 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.519 just points to it. Your golf had to be because my publisher was like, 674 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.119 you need a website to take people to, and Grounded Golf was taken, 675 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.199 I think, and stay grounded is a is a coffee. It's a 676 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.199 coffee trademark. I mean it's pretty funny. So yeah, it's ground your 677 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:30.320 golf, so it's more verb and it's what we do every day when you're 678 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.559 on the course. This is great, Tara Fox, thank you so much 679 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.559 for spending this time with us and getting us grounded in the conversation and in 680 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:43.239 our minds and in our game. Really appreciate it. Thanks, Thanks Fret, 681 00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.880 thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure to be here. And 682 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:50.840 congratulations your longest running podcast. This is it's amazing what you've done for for 683 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.360 our game, and it's just a pleasure to hear what you have going every 684 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:59.880 week. It's very exciting. Thank you. Well, thank you too. 685 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.679 Well, it's not the longest running podcast, but I'm pretty sure that Golf 686 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:09.360 Smarter is the longest running golf podcast now in our nineteenth year. Now, 687 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.360 I just want to let you know that there's a part two of this conversation 688 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.679 with Tara about the TMI Golf Travel Company that is going to be a five 689 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:23.039 minute episode, or should I say it's a five minute invitation that's going to 690 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:29.840 be published as a standalone episode immediately after this one, so please don't miss 691 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.400 it. Now. I've mentioned many times how much fun it would be to 692 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.280 play golf together. Besides the golfers who live and visit the San Francisco area 693 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:43.159 that I've played with, the golf Smarter community has taken two trips together years 694 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:49.480 ago to Prague and Scottsdale, Arizona, and we had an incredible time. 695 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:55.880 Well, TMI Golf and golf Smarter are partnering up to give us more opportunities 696 00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.960 to play together and check off some of the world's greatest golf courses from our 697 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:07.639 bucket lists. There is some urgency here as space is limited, but please 698 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.480 click on the next short episode of golf Smarter titled Golf Smarter Adventure Invitation. 699 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:19.320 You may have noticed in your podcast feed that you're now getting two episodes of 700 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.880 golf Smarter each week. Golf Smarter Mulligans, the best of our archives that 701 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:29.639 are no longer available anywhere, is now part of your free golf Smarter subscription, 702 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.400 so you'll get a new episode on Tuesdays and the gems from our archives 703 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.639 each Friday. As we've been doing the last couple of years, we're starting 704 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:45.280 off the new golf season with Tony Manzoni. 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