WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:36.320 All right, what's up, y'all. I hope you're doing well. We're 2 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:41.520 gonna have fun tonight. Another one of our classic movie analyzes, and actually 3 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.640 a film that we should have already come to. I don't know why I 4 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:51.560 never got around to this. Sometimes you miss the classics, even the conspiracy 5 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:56.679 classics. This is definitely a conspiracy classics. So I'm glad that we finally 6 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.799 got around to it. And I've also noticed that when I don't do a 7 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.719 movie, it's typically for the right reason. In other words, there's there's 8 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:14.680 like providential you know, synchronicity, whatever, because I wouldn't have done the 9 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:19.120 movie justice. It turns out because I usually learned a lot of information years 10 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:25.560 later that give me a much better perspective. That was definitely the case with 11 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:27.200 the Born films. When I first watched the Born films, I thought, 12 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:32.799 oh, I need to do a deep dive analysis. Years ago. I 13 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.280 remember watching them in the theater, and I knew about m culture at the 14 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:41.359 time, but I didn't know near you know, one fifth of what I 15 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:46.959 know now, so it really would have been a subpar analysis. It would 16 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:53.400 have been unfair to all of you wonderful people. So it's fitting then that 17 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:59.359 we waited so long to do network, and I'm so, on the one 18 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.319 hand, a little bit embarrassed, but I'm also happy that it took me 19 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:05.040 so long to do it. And you know, tonight we're gonna have a 20 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.960 great guest with us, so it's gonna be a lot of fun. He's 21 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:15.080 excellent when it comes to breaking down literature, and a lot of the literature 22 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.879 that I intend to break down he's already broken down. But you're gonna get, 23 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.240 you know, unique analysis from both of us. I'm sure when I 24 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.639 move to and get to some of the things that I wanted to do, 25 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:32.039 like um, the you know, some of the lit that he's done, 26 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:38.280 I want to do. I'm not bitching. I don't care. I'm just 27 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.520 saying that, you know, it's gonna be great to do some of that 28 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.919 down the road, like the Melville novel On the Devil. I think he 29 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:51.479 and I talked about doing this as well. Hey, what's up? What's 30 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:58.599 up? What's going on now? Much? Let me make sure it sounds 31 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.560 right? Can you hear me? Yep? I got you? Yep, 32 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:07.840 got you? You're good? Ah am, I you got me good? 33 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:15.400 Everything's good? All right? Sweet? All right? Yeah, I'm ready 34 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:22.039 to go with some network. Yeah, I'm fixing this. I'm fixing the 35 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.599 screen. The sizes are all there, we go, okay, cool cool, 36 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.319 all right. Yeah, So I was talking about how, you know, 37 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:34.800 we had discussed doing confidence Man down the road. Um, I think 38 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:39.680 that's gonna be fun some Melville. And we haven't done a lot of lit 39 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:44.639 analysis, just because not a lot of people do lit analysis. So really 40 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.120 it's only been me and Mark Hackard, and I think down the road, 41 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.439 you know, we can probably do some more of that kind of stuff. 42 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.840 Um, can you hear me? Sounds good? Yeah, yeah, sounds 43 00:03:54.840 --> 00:04:00.039 good. I'd love to get into Melville. I did h Yeah, I 44 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.840 know you were just talking about it, but I did Moby dick Um kind 45 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.159 of early on in the life of the Channel. Yeah, I remember I 46 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.479 watched I watched that. Yeah, that's a pretty mammoth work. So, 47 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.120 um, I'd love to go back to some nineteenth century sort of revelatory literature, 48 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:18.519 right. So um, yeah, so I'm ready to go to Uh, 49 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:20.639 do you want to kick it off? I got a lot of a 50 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:25.199 lot of notes, so let's get you to maybe set the stage. And 51 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.680 um, I was telling everybody that this is perfect timing because a lot of 52 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:33.600 times the movies that I've never gotten to it actually works out perfectly because I'll 53 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.040 have a much better perspective the longer that I wait. You know, so 54 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.839 when we did the Born films, um, I know a lot about it, 55 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.519 kuiltrid. Now, if I'd done the Burn films when they came out, 56 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.399 you know, it wouldn't have been that good. So um, I 57 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.800 think the same with this. I know a lot about this time period of 58 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:56.639 a lot about the the background and the and the film is full of weird 59 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:02.120 U seventies era news stories that are quite conspiratorial. And we're going to get 60 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.079 into all of those. But let's let you kick it off. What do 61 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:12.639 you want us to know when we first think about network? Yeah? So 62 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.879 this, um, this is an amazing film because it's so revelatory. It 63 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.120 has so much in it. If by the way, if I'm glitchen, 64 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.079 um I should I got a good signal, So I don't know if it's 65 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.839 me. If I'm glitchen, just let me know or if my audio goes 66 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.720 out. So you're a little come in a little a little hot, could 67 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.399 you could you turn it down just a little bit. It's a little crackily 68 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:39.439 and loud, but otherwise you're good. Let's say here, hopefully that's a 69 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.839 little better. Okay, go ahead, yeah. Um. So, so 70 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.600 this is a great film. It's nineteen seventy six and it's by the screenwriter 71 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:53.680 Patty Chievsky, and it's a pretty mammoth screenplay. And you know, I 72 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.560 think that it's interesting because this one is, um, it's a film that 73 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:00.959 really everybody should know, but it's one that is sort of rarely talked about. 74 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:06.240 It's so revelatory, it's it's so it's it's multilayered, it's complex, 75 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:11.639 and the writing in it especially is just looking at it from a literary standpoint, 76 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.199 the screenplay is amazing. It's so well written, it's almost Shakespearean at 77 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.120 times. The illusions in it, I mean there are Miltonian illusions, Shakespearean 78 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:25.519 illusions, and there there's there's a a wealth of sort of a pseudo biblical 79 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.040 illusions in it because the language, um, and it's not only biblical, 80 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.160 but it's religious language. So that will tie into I'm sure we're going to 81 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:40.319 discuss the ecumenical um parts of the of the film and of the screenplay. 82 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.519 I mean, you know, um, references to Valhalla, to the Indian 83 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.160 pantheon. And and that's because the characters in this are sort of compared to 84 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:56.759 in a way. It's like we have the Heramid structure sort of exposed in 85 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.000 this, and we also have, um, the managerial class and the sort 86 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.720 of media arm that you've talked so much about it. And and this one 87 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:10.519 is so interesting because it really is like poetry. It's um it's so well 88 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.519 written, and the characters it's multilayered because at times you think you've got a 89 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.879 handle on the way that the movie's gonna go, but you but you don't. 90 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.720 Really. It kind of turns, and that is supposed to mimic the 91 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.079 way that the structure sort of bobs and weaves. And one of the last 92 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.680 thing I'll say is the most interesting thing I think about this is that we 93 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.040 get it's so relevant now. You know that the people kind of talk about 94 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.839 how the film predicts, you know, the the advent of Fox, of 95 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:46.680 the Fox Corporation, Fox Channel and then later on Fox News, and that 96 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.199 is true to a large extent, but but it is much bigger than that. 97 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.759 So I'm interesting. I'm interested to hear your take on this because it's 98 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.560 a it's a very powerful film. It wanted you know. Of course it 99 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.240 won a bunch of awards. It was up at the Oscars at the same 100 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.360 time as Raw and um. The two films kind of they're so different, 101 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.959 but they kind of swept the awards. And that the story behind the film 102 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.720 is also interesting, um and and that that is not just interesting sort of 103 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.000 for like a you know, a film trivia like Standpoint, But it's interesting 104 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.839 because the movie is um it it works on like it's like a meta satire. 105 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.399 It goes beyond the level of satire into something that's, you know, 106 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.879 sort of hyper reality. So I'm interested to get into it. Yeah, 107 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:37.559 I have the meta narrative references in my notes as well. And I was 108 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:46.000 thinking about, um, now he did uh Dog Day Afternoon, And isn't 109 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:52.600 that about al Pacino and engage in some kind of corruption cop corruption type of 110 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.200 thing. It's been years since I've watched The Dog Day Afternoon, but I'm 111 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.039 trying I'm looking at this the um the plot, you know what I'm talking 112 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.240 about? Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, classic Pucino. Yeah, 113 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.840 what what was the I'm trying to remember the plot. I watched him years 114 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:13.240 ago, but it's relevant because you know he's doing these kinds of films that 115 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.840 is Sydney Lumett. Yes, yes, Um, Sydney Lumtt is interesting because 116 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.960 he um is sort of a this to me, we I did a stream 117 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.919 on concept and the eighties and the Don Simpson era, and that is you 118 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.559 can see when you watch a film like this that that era is a is 119 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:39.720 completely reactionary to the auteur sort of filmmaking of seventies Hollywood, because Lumette is 120 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:45.240 clearly part of this. He's part of this thing. And yet we have 121 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:50.960 like a you know, like an engineered society. It's not just predictive programming, 122 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.279 but it's like it's like engineered. And we have the gritty reality of 123 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.639 the seventy in the streets and now Paccino like robs this bank and yeah, 124 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.440 you know he he's not gonna take it anymore, just like in this film. 125 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.840 And UM, and so we we kind of go, I think, 126 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.320 what what happens is like you know, artistic eras go in cycles. UM, 127 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.679 and that's planned. Obviously a lot of it's planned, but UM, 128 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.200 we see like the complete opposite happened in the eighties, the same sort of 129 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.559 UM, end point, but through a different kind of mechanism. And uh, 130 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.840 Lou Matt's great. I mean he was directing films into his like nineties. 131 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.759 The last movie he did was, um, this one called The Devil 132 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.320 before The Devil Knows You're Dead with Um Philips s Teymour Hoffman. Great film. 133 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.519 Um, but this one, uh is is interesting. I didn't know 134 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:48.039 before this that Sidney Lamet was married to both Gloria Vanderbilt, whose son is 135 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:52.559 obviously Henderson Coomer, who's part of this structure, and he was also married 136 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:58.559 to Um I forget his first name, his first wife, forget his first 137 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.240 wife's name, but he was a bridesmaid for Princess Grace and Prince Rhanier of 138 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.919 Monaco. It just shows you the like interrelated web that this sort of exists. 139 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:15.200 Yeah, and uh, you know interesting too because in Shadow Masters by 140 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:20.120 Daniel Esselin following doctor John Coleman, he talks about the nWo being the ones 141 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:26.639 that oft Grace Kelly. And that's interesting because it connects into Builderberg. Builderberg 142 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.000 plays a role actually in this movie in the background. People don't know that, 143 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.519 but the entity that is hinted at here, it's kind of a Blackguard, 144 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.120 you know, a vanguard black rock kind of entity, but it's actually 145 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:45.720 Bilderberg because it's it was Builderberg and Kissinger that was behind the seventies oil crisis. 146 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:52.200 And so that is one of the news stories that's mentioned throughout the movie, 147 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.279 and it's uh, it forms the background to the rant about you know, 148 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.679 the oil and the price of oil and getting out in the street and 149 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.360 yelling, right, I don't know what to do about the price of oil 150 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.240 and this and that, and that also relates to the narrative later on about 151 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:13.360 the Arabs taking over and buying everything out. That's part of the OPEC nineteen 152 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:20.519 seventies oil crisis. And this was actually a thing engineered by Kissinger to establish 153 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:26.600 that the Saudias and the Gulf cartel that they would buy that they would be 154 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.639 using petro dollar. And so this is covered in Effiliam Endol's books and he 155 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.279 talks about how Kissinger organized this via Builderberg. And that's what's in the background. 156 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.159 So people don't I'm not talking about you, but I'm just saying general 157 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.240 people don't know that's in the background. Operation mocking Bird is in the background 158 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.840 of this movie. The Symbionese Liberation Army is in the background of this movie 159 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:52.279 with the staged in my view, you know, some kind of weird CIA 160 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.879 operation with Patty Hurst and this made up ridiculous Marxist group, which in this 161 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:03.440 movie it's it's a trans formed into the Ecumenical Liberation Army, which which is 162 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.519 odd because there's also multiple multiple references to the New Age movement and to the 163 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:15.360 younger generation with the Faye Dunaway character and how she lives out her life as 164 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:20.320 a movie and the older generation of this you know, Walter Cronkite era News 165 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:26.440 executive man that she has an affair with. And then we have the the 166 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.519 pseudo prophet figure of Howard Beale and the Howard Beale Show, which, like 167 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.919 you said, um, it does have some twists and turns. It doesn't 168 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.840 go in the direction that you think. But point being with all of that 169 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.840 was just which we'll get into a lot of that because I actually mentioned the 170 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:45.320 CIA hearings in the in the news clips that are being played, and I 171 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.919 don't know if that's this. It might be the m Culture hearing is the 172 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.759 Front of the Church hearings, or it could be some other CIA hearing. 173 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:58.559 UM, I don't recall, but all of this shows us I think, 174 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.399 given what you were saying about Sydney Lumit that you know, he has some 175 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.639 insight or some knowledge of how all of this really works, right, so 176 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.200 he can see into that power structure. And of course Anderson Cooper, as 177 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.759 you said, who is the son of Glari Vannerbelt. I mean, he's 178 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.279 openly known to have been recruited into the CIA for media, right, So 179 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.399 that's how this works. Now. It is interesting that they don't really ever 180 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.519 mention the CIA and connection with the media, but it's there and kind of 181 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:31.000 a subtle way. I think, given the fact that you know, Mockingbird 182 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.440 was was going on during this time period and it is still going on, 183 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.399 basically you could argue. So So anyway, that's my overall geopolitical setting for 184 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.279 this time period. The seventies were also a time, as as you noted, 185 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:48.679 when there was a lot of anti establishment feeling and sentiment in Hollywood. 186 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.159 So you could make a lot of movies that were questioning the system that we're 187 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:00.960 questioning. Things you could challenge and question, you know, innocracy, the 188 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.440 coming dystopia. There's so many you know, anti establishment dystopian films this time 189 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.039 period, and you know, the Fade Dunaway character is supposed to be anti 190 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.919 establishment. She talks about how she wants anti establishment, counter culture news, 191 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.480 she wants Marxist news, she wants the people. All this nonsense and the 192 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:24.919 iron of courses that we find out later on that the Ecumenical Liberation Army is 193 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.559 just this completely controlled, cutout thing. They're concerned with their profit share of 194 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.960 the TV show that they're going to get, which is a reality show, 195 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:37.480 so that they're they're basically getting this reality show years before reality shows. And 196 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.360 then Howard Bale is this sort of you know, angry rant man, which 197 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:48.200 reminded me of Lord Valdemart. So you know, I've actually I'm embarrassed to 198 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.960 realize that Howard Bill's kind of like, uh, Lord Voldemort. I didn't 199 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.960 I didn't even realize it until watching the movie. It's like, oh, 200 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.759 but now in this movie, as you said, it doesn't go in the 201 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.960 direction you think it doesn't go. You know, as you're watching it, 202 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:07.399 you think, oh, Howard Bill's going to start this kind of what's the 203 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.120 Jimmy Stewart in The Man who Goes to Washington, right, what's his? 204 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.080 It doesn't he start a revolution with all the Remember that we're basically the boy 205 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.320 scouts. Help him out with his revolution, you know, and you think 206 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.759 that Howard Bill is going to do that, but he doesn't. It goes 207 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.279 completely in a different direction. We'll get to that when we get to it. 208 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:32.159 But h yeah, that's the seventies Hollywood setting. Is that it's very 209 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:38.840 satirical, very critical of the establishment. It's it's uh set in this geopolitical 210 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:44.919 time period when the CFAR was really exercising an immense amount of control and power. 211 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:52.000 So CFAR basically selected Carter according to Anthony Sutton and Patrick would because I'm 212 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.879 reading the Patrick woodbook on the CFAR right now and the Trilateral Commissioner. What's 213 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.480 interesting is that they were really grasping and gaining a tremendous amount of power in 214 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.559 the nineteen seventies. That book was actually published in the seventies, so it's 215 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.000 an older book, but it's an insight into what was the CFAR, Brazinsky 216 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.000 Trilateral Commission. What were they up to in the seventies. Kissinger as well 217 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:18.079 and Wood and Sutton, you know, really backing up from the research of 218 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:25.480 Ingdall give us a completely controlled background to basically every news story that's mentioned in 219 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.359 this movie, and I think that that's on purpose, all of these news 220 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.240 stories that are mentioned. The CIA in Angola, Okay, I just covered 221 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.599 that in one of my recent videos, the Simboni's Liberation Army with Patty Hurst, 222 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.759 the daughter of William Randolph Hurst, being kidnapped and mind controlled. So 223 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.119 there's an mk ultra theme and they actually put it out. This is where 224 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.599 we know about Stockholm syndrome is because they first said, oh, well, 225 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:53.440 you see you can be kidnapped and fall in love with your kidnappers via this 226 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:59.559 mind controlled process of Stockholm syndrome, of which they supposedly did too to Patty 227 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.000 Hurst. I think that was some kind of psi op myself. And there's 228 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:08.440 a classic kind of maybe Brussel analyzes if if you're familiar with that classic old 229 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.559 school conspiracy stuff. And May Russell did some really fascinating breakdowns back in the 230 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.319 day on her radio show talking about how the Patty Hurst thing is basically one 231 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.759 big psi opum and of course a Semonise liberation Army. You know, most 232 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.680 of these kinds of groups are typically created and steered entities, and we find 233 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:32.599 out in this plot that that's more or less what the Ecumenical Liberation Army is. 234 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.720 It's basically the same thing. It's a satirical version. Yeah had six. 235 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.920 In fact, it's it's exactly what happens in the film because when the 236 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:47.839 uh you know to Tupac's mom comes and introduces herself to um Fade Dunaway in 237 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.359 the building, right, they sort of introduce themselves as characters and they introduce, 238 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.000 you know, sort of a tagline. She says, I'm you know, 239 00:18:55.519 --> 00:19:00.279 they have their taglines. They introduce themselves and they negot these spend a 240 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.400 lot of their time negotiating what is going to happen and what the clauses are 241 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.920 going to be and what they're going to get from the show. And then 242 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.680 later when she has to go back and talk to the Great Khan Um in 243 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.880 his um you know, communists tied out or whatever they call it in the 244 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.160 film. Um they remember the scene where they're arguing and then all of a 245 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.759 sudden he pops around off and he says, show her the overhead clause. 246 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:29.000 Right. So so this guy's like totally tuned into the business negotiations. And 247 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:30.920 it's interesting, I mean, all of the things that you you mentioned that 248 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.920 are in the film in terms of the first thing that they meant. One 249 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.200 of the first news stories that they mentioned at the beginning of the film is, 250 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.960 um, the recent assassination attempt on Gerald Ford from Squeaky from yeah, 251 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.759 exactly right, and then yeah, and then they say they say that, 252 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.880 um, this was the second attempt in two weeks. Then they talked about 253 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.759 they mentioned Nelson Rockefeller, they mentioned Kissinger, they met, they mentioned, 254 00:19:53.240 --> 00:20:00.240 Um, I think that it's it's it's so, I guess U. It's 255 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.880 relevant that you mentioned that the backdrop is this sort of black black rocks vand 256 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.000 guard, you know, conglomerate, because they spend a lot of their time 257 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.720 talking about how, for instance, the president of the news of the news 258 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.920 organization like is just a you know, he's nothing, he's a puppet. 259 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.680 He just barely said a word in the meetings. And they talk about the 260 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.599 stockholders meeting, but even the stockholders meeting is like a low level entry into 261 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.759 what they're actually doing. We don't get to see Jensen, who's this supposed 262 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.680 heads organization until later on in the film when he does his his corporate cosmology 263 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:37.559 soliloquy, and even he is just a liaison for whatever the group is. 264 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.279 And of course I know we're gonna get to this at the climax of the 265 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.680 film, and it's not a spoiler people, folks at home, But once 266 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:48.799 Beal starts mentioning money and banks and the Saudi Oil group is when the story, 267 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:52.920 you know, it veers off again into a different direction. And I 268 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.359 don't see how anyone could watch this now who was in tune with anything and 269 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:03.160 not think of the major um hedge fund, banking, the banking corporation and 270 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.119 Joe John Perkins um and all the stuff that's like a backdrop to this. 271 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:12.680 Um. So the other things that I think are interesting are that on the 272 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.799 on my most recent rewatch, I couldn't decide whether it Beal himself because Howard 273 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.519 Beal Um folks, is like, um, you know, the description that's 274 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:27.839 used most often for him is that like he experiences a psychotic break, right. 275 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.799 He's like a he's an old school news man, you know, he's 276 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.839 like madmen, but at the news and he was there in the fifties and 277 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.559 you know Murrow and all this stuff. Um. But the scenes where he 278 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:45.440 is asleep or where he's dreaming and he gets his messages or like I was 279 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.599 thinking, is this is this this is like this is almost like V two 280 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:53.200 k um some sort of you know, Delgado thing going on. I mean, 281 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.559 I don't know if that's that actually the case, but it looks like 282 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.519 it in the film, like he's because he's receiving messages. And we don't 283 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.599 know if it's literally he's receiving messages from the outside, or if it's a 284 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.960 psychotic break or he's in touch with his guru as he says in the movie. 285 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.319 But it is interesting that's he he becomes a sort of other person and 286 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:17.559 he's unpredictable. Yeah, he reminds me of Jerry in Conspiracy Theory, right, 287 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.599 I mean, he acts like a person who is has a not just 288 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.559 a psychotic break, but it is in some way programmed with some sort of 289 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.519 mission. And of course we're never told. It doesn't explicitly tell us that, 290 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:32.920 you know, he really was receiving revelations, but like you said, 291 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.000 in that in that nighttime sequence, he does appear to be thinking that he's 292 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.119 hearing or seeing something, and he says later on that and it's interesting because 293 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:47.119 his revelation, his experience is actually tied into the Again, the New Age 294 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:51.279 movement, because he says it wasn't anything to do with God or Christianity. 295 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.480 He says it was Pranya, Pana, Pranya. He said it was a 296 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.839 Hindu awakening, So he explicitly notes that, and the Hindu stuff is what 297 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:07.559 really underlies a lot of the still kind of popular, burgeoning New Age movement 298 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.000 of this time. So the New Age movement really kicks off. I was 299 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:12.680 seen in the sixties as part of the counterculture, but it was really being 300 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:17.720 ramped up and continued into the seventies. In fact, the Aquarium Conspiracy, 301 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.119 which John Coleman thinks was actually written by Willis Harmon, that's put out as 302 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.960 the book by Marilyn Ferguson, which is a you know, popular title during 303 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.000 this time period. That that's a seventies Texas's really again hyping up and promoting 304 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:34.200 the New Age. Shirley mc McLane had, I think, come out as 305 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.279 a new Ager at this time. So there's a lot of push for New 306 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:41.920 Age stuff, and it sort of is in the background of this movie in 307 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.680 many many places. So I think that his awakening, like you said, 308 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:52.079 whether it was voice to skull mind control technology, or whether he really thinks 309 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.400 he's having some kind of break. He's not a profit like you first think. 310 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.799 You think at first he's going to start being this kind of Billy g 311 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.240 m style health fire Brimstone preacher. And when they when they want to replace 312 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.480 them, they actually say, we need to find some kind of you know, 313 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:10.599 Billy Graham, health fire Brimstone kind of guy, which is funny because, 314 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:12.400 uh, you know, Billy Graham, I think was pretty much a 315 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:17.359 CIA said as well during the Cold War, so um, again we have 316 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:22.519 another kind of controlled Cold War era UM figure. They even mentioned, you 317 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.480 know, Walter Cronkite, and you had you said, you know, they 318 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.799 were talking about Edward R. Murreau in the Old School Broadcasters. Well they 319 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.319 mentioned Walter Cronkite specifically as well as well as many others because he was a 320 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:40.599 famous CFAR in Bohemian Grove attendee. And of course those those classic clips have 321 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.839 Walter Cronkite saying that, you know, I'm absolutely on the side of Lucifer 322 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.880 in the New World Order. So uh, at every point, you know, 323 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:56.400 the figures in this movie are um their establishment figures. And what's ironic 324 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.039 is that, you know, we we really see this in the in the 325 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:03.960 in the affair love story between the older guy who's called a middle aged man. 326 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.599 Now he's a boomer, he's a senior citizen. He's not he's not 327 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.119 middle aged. He's like a straight up seen. I mean, Faye Dunaway 328 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.039 is middle aged, right, she's calling him. Oh, he's probably like 329 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.880 nine in the movie because people, I'm just I'm joking because he looks like 330 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.559 he just looks like an old man. But anyway, but Jamie and now 331 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.039 we're laughing about that. But anyway, what the last thing I wanted to 332 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.680 make was mentioned was that let's, uh, we've kind of jumped around, 333 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.400 but I'd like to go back to kind of how it starts if we could, 334 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.480 because there's so many good, good points and good notes. I don't 335 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:36.279 want to like get too skipped around. Um so the film open, Can 336 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:37.000 we go back to the beginning? Is that cool? I don't want to 337 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.319 steal your thunder if you had something you want to talk about, But that's 338 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.359 good, let's do it. So um. Yeah, So the film starts 339 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.799 out with this, uh, we're told about these big networks, and of 340 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.000 course my first thought is, yeah, these these giant networks actually come out 341 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.759 of the OSS and the CIA, right, so that they were all they 342 00:25:53.759 --> 00:26:00.400 were all steered by people from the OSS initially when they first created the original 343 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.519 networks. And so NBCCBS, ABC, I forget there's two that were first 344 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:11.359 and then a third. They're all creations essentially of the power structure, right, 345 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.839 our our elites, our shadow government, and that's why they were originally 346 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:19.720 run by OSS people who then took those techniques uh William Paley, Sarnoff and 347 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:26.039 others, and they applied those techniques to running these giant networks. So network 348 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.759 is about the networks that make up the original mining control network. And think 349 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.079 about CBS logo, right, I mean CBS's logo is an all seeing eye. 350 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:41.400 And there's even a there's even a rant at one point by Beal, 351 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.119 which I think is the best rant. Not the first round about you know, 352 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.079 sticking your head out and screaming to me it is kind of ridiculous, 353 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.160 but the next round is a lot better because he's like, you listen to 354 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.440 the boob tube and you think that we're telling you the truth, and we 355 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.079 just lie to you all the time. Right, that's that that narrative is 356 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.720 supermatt and he's like, you look at it like a god, and so 357 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:06.079 he's not a real religious figure, but he's satirizing himself as if he's a 358 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.920 prophet. He's like, because you listen to the news men like their prophets, 359 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.400 and he's like, but you're listening to false prophets. And so he's 360 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.839 sort of satirizing himself as a newsman when he starts to have his break. 361 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.400 And so anyway, that's my initial thought when it kicks off. But I 362 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:27.160 wanted to also mention that when they said the assassination attempt by on Ford by 363 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.279 Squeaky from well, if you, if you, if you're familiar with the 364 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:37.200 work from Tom O'Neill on Chaos and Manson, you know that there's an obvious 365 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.960 CIA connection to Manson and all that. So right away we have again these 366 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.279 references to these CIA stories that are really important in the news, like Manson, 367 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.960 and then I would say, yeah, of course, the assassination attempt 368 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.119 on Ford, all these things are typically in some way, you know, 369 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:57.519 psy ops and controlled operations. And then we're gonna get this reference to Beal 370 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:03.240 saying I'm gonna kill myself on air, which is also perhaps referencing the Bud 371 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.400 Dwyer incident. Right, because that was a huge news story when that I 372 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.400 think he was a senator or congressman when he did that to himself, unlived 373 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:19.960 himself on air. And so right away we're getting pretty intense media ideas and 374 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.920 imager shocking sort of media trauma is what's being discussed right away. And then 375 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.319 they have this idea why don't we say, why do we do the Death 376 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.759 Hour show? Right? So he's starting to make fun of the news and 377 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.799 say that why is everybody so obsessed with you know, death and destruction and 378 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.200 chaos. Why don't we just have the death show? Yeah, if it 379 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.400 bleeds, it leads, Uh, you know what they what they say, 380 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.160 and you know that. I think that there's some interesting tie INDs with first 381 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.359 of all, the bel character. I did a stream on a Face in 382 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.839 the Crowd, which was a short story, and then later a film with 383 00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:00.319 by Elliot Kazan starring Andy Griffith where he plays basically the same type of characters 384 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.160 Bill. He's a he's a wandering drifter who gets co opted and he ends 385 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:08.240 up making speeches exactly like Beal does at the end where he says, remember 386 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.480 Bill does the speech about like send in your go to the Western Union Office 387 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.720 and send into the White House. And the reason that he becomes a threat 388 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.279 in facing the crowd is because he's doing that, and he becomes a he 389 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:25.559 becomes an advisor for a senator who's going to become a future president, and 390 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.440 he kind of gets off at the end of it. And and I think 391 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.480 that uh, Nightcrawler is is a kind of a good example of this in 392 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.000 the in the contemporary era, because it takes the national news and takes it 393 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.839 down to a local level. But one thing about about Network is a movie 394 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.400 that's interesting is to consider that, you know, at the at the time 395 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.799 up until we'll probably still now, for most people, especially most you know 396 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.599 norm he's watching the news or the or television or whatever. The things that 397 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:59.319 occur now are so fast, so fast moving, that by the time they're 398 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.319 covered on the news news there, they're not news anymore. So news is 399 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.519 kind of a it's a it's almost a misnomer in the sense that they later 400 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:11.119 on talk about time. They do this whole thing. Part of the monologues 401 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.960 that they do is talking about how they want to quantify time. They want 402 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.400 to they want to simplify meaning and existence down to a monetized unit that they 403 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.839 can quantify in terms of you know, advertising and consumerism and all that um. 404 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.400 But that even at the time that the film was released, and and 405 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:33.039 it harks back to the fifties, it's it's interesting to consider that the people 406 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.559 that are the audience for this in America assume that they're watching the truth, 407 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.480 like Beal says, but we're lying to you. Whereas in a controlled sys 408 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.519 like in a like let's say the Soviet Union, it's like you're watching the 409 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:51.279 news, but you know that you're that you know that it's state controlled, 410 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.880 and so there's no sort of illusion about that. Here. The problem is 411 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.519 that it's people are blinded by the illusion. It's almost a brave new world 412 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.960 thing where people are like willingly walking into their sort of slavery. And that 413 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.079 Bell even when he does the speech later and he and he says that you 414 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.720 know, we're lying to you, it's like, well, are you lying 415 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.359 to me now? Is everything you're doing a line now? And that's interesting 416 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:17.279 to consider because because people can people they watch this movie, I think a 417 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:21.880 lot of times they think that like Beal kind of goes based, but but 418 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.359 in fact, a lot of the stuff that he says, is just a 419 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.079 continuation of what the power structure wants, and they end up making, you 420 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.599 know, shows about it, so it becomes entertainment. And it's no it's 421 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:40.599 no accident that that the framing of the movie is we're constantly watching We're watching 422 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:47.400 a guy on the news on a television screen, through backstage television screens, 423 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.720 through the producers watching television screens. So it becomes like this triple layer of 424 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.200 fantasy. Um. The first thing that he mentioned, well, it's it 425 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:04.200 becomes surreal and we are divorced into associated by layers from this surreal thing because 426 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.759 it's it's all it's not real, right, And the irene, of course, 427 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.279 is that what's real is actually in this, embedded in this absurdity, 428 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.119 in this the satire and this surreal element, but it's cloaked and covered in 429 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.519 all this lies, just like the news and the so called news reporting itself 430 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.920 is Um. The other thing about Kronkite, it's it's wild. Is that 431 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.480 Patty You know, you were talking about Patty Hurst and the Simeonese Liberation Army 432 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:37.319 and the character who plays the Patty Hurst character, the Gifford character, is 433 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:43.720 Walter Cronkite's daughter in real life, she's the actress. Well that's crazy. 434 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.720 Um. The first thing that they mentioned in the voiceover is they talk about 435 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:52.160 Ford's energy program. They're hearing on Patty Hurst bail cruise violations in Beirut. 436 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.559 But then the screenplay is so well written. Um, the narrator says, 437 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.880 and it's Tom Howard Beale had been a Mandarin television so he's introduced as this 438 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.799 sort of authoritative, almost imperial figure. And then in the next part, 439 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.839 it says, the camera moves into isolated Howard Beale, who's who's fifty eight 440 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.720 years old, silver haired, magisterial, dignified to the point of divinity. 441 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.839 Narration continues over and so then you know that we get introduced into the news 442 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.400 segment. Um. And then we see Max, who's a fifty one year 443 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.759 old man, thoroughly plastered and on a drunken, laughing jag. The two 444 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.559 best scenes. I mean, this is a comedy, so and it's it's 445 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.400 kind of a classical comedy in Max. Max points that out. He's in 446 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.440 a way, he says, towards the end of the film, he'll say, 447 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.240 and there's a happy ending, right, So it's the movie shows at 448 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.720 the very end that like life goes on, but the fun the actual funny 449 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.559 parts in the movie are One is right at the beginning of the film when 450 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.880 Max and Howard max is um Is, William Holden and William Holden and Peter 451 00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:01.440 Finch are talking and they they onto the street and they're like they're like in 452 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.759 New York. They're talking and they're telling this story about the George Washington Bridge 453 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.440 and how he first started to become a reporter. And that's an interesting story 454 00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:12.440 because it's repeated in the in the film, he says that he got his 455 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.960 first lead and he went out to the He told the taxi driver to take 456 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.519 him out of the George Washington Bridge and he was going to run out to 457 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.400 the middle and the cab driver says, don't do it, buddy, you've 458 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:22.440 got it. You know, you've got a long way to go. But 459 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:28.639 it's interesting what the screenwriters doing here, because it's like we're on a bridge 460 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.639 between two worlds and we're standing over this abyss, this chasm. Now I'm 461 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.320 probably reading a little bit into it, but that is exactly what the characters 462 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.840 find that that's where the characters find themselves continuously throughout this thing. It's like 463 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.559 Max is on he's on Matt in Manhattan. He's a you know, a 464 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.639 producer, and then he gets fired and he goes back and forth, whereas 465 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.599 the Peter Finch character, Beal finds himself in the middle. But when they 466 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.679 when they're when they're drunk and and like they're laughing about it's it's really funny. 467 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.800 And Peter Finch is a I mean, he's he's a great actor in 468 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.039 this. And the one thing I'll say about acting in the movie, because 469 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.400 there's a side note, is that like when they have that drunken scene and 470 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.840 these guys play like obviously very authentic, you know, nineteen fifties through seventies 471 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:22.159 drunks, Finch does this thing where he um, he's not playing drunk, 472 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.880 but but William Holden is like overplaying his drunkenness. And then later we see 473 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.760 Finch after all the like Rigamorle, he's like dressed in black with this black 474 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.079 turtleneck, almost like he's an actor, um auditioning for a role, which 475 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:43.880 essentially he is. Um. So it's just that all of the all of 476 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.719 the scenes that are produced and that are fake, I mean, the other 477 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:52.360 great scene is where Fate Dunaway is watching the producers watch the the segments that 478 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.599 they're gonna come have a that they're gonna produce later on, and she says, 479 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.679 no, no, this won't do. And that's the Billy Billy grampart, 480 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.920 right. She says, if I want to Billy Graham character, I 481 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.960 would have gotten one instead. You have this product, and the prophet is 482 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.679 like standing on this hill with this like occult robe on and he's like he's 483 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.440 doing the can you digit speech right, um to the to the seventies you 484 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:20.079 know kids. Um. And it's it's so overproduced and overhype that she knows 485 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.920 that it won't sell, so she cancels that segment. Well, it's interesting 486 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.440 because uh in ways, he's kind of like this is like viral before viral, 487 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.840 reality show before reality show. Uh. And and I would add to 488 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.840 with the the con character, who is this this clownish cut out who is 489 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.719 really just you know, kind of a star who's negotiating his contract even though 490 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.920 he's a Marxist and his mother's his agent. It's it's like, um, 491 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.800 you know there you have with him, the uh, the rise of the 492 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:59.159 notion of some sort of vague Islamic terror because even though this is a Marxist 493 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.119 thing, if you look at the KLA, that was a combination of al 494 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.320 Qaeda philosophy and Marxism for NATO and the CIA to run in British intelligence to 495 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.960 run in Kosovo um. And this is the kind of the same kind of 496 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.039 thing that we have here. Although this guy might be some kind of vague 497 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.920 Nation of Islam style, we don't really know what is what. He's just 498 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.679 called the Khan. And so we have this black Islam kind of Nation of 499 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.400 Islam idea here. But they're also Marxist, like the Semoneese Liberation Army, 500 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.480 and they've gained news headlines because they're robbing banks or something like this. And 501 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:40.079 so Faye Dunaway's character realizes that she wants to experiment with new types of television, 502 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.880 right She's she's tired of this old you know, sort of archetypal old 503 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:52.280 white guy uh telling you the news and a very boring, dry format. 504 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.199 And this network, you know, UBS is they're the last of the networks, 505 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.440 right, so they're they're a dying network. They need some something to 506 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.960 experiment with. And so she comes in as this you know, edgy you 507 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.760 know, Girl Boss, basically who was leaning in, and she comes up 508 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:15.440 with this idea to start filming and utilizing the Ecumenical Liberation Army, which is 509 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.840 interesting because you know, when we think of a humanism, I mean, 510 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.719 that's typically something in the religious fear right. It's not something that we usually 511 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.639 think of in terms of geopolitics. But this is the ecumenical Liberation Army, 512 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.440 which is headed, as you said, by Tupac. He's basically Tupac before 513 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:36.440 Tupac. And then and then she's like, yeah, let's use this, 514 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.440 let's let's take these crazies and make them. And this is like again, 515 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.079 way ahead of the idea of I mean, there are predecessors, I guess 516 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:50.159 contemporary with this, like the Gong Show, right, Chuck Barris again, 517 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:55.199 you know, theorized to be supposed perhaps a CIA assassin or hitman or operative, 518 00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.480 which is lampooned or I guess, I guess you could say lampoon in 519 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.880 the film of Sam Rockwell and George Clooney Professions of a Dangerous Mind. Right, 520 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.519 But then of course later on he and his wife supposedly say, oh, 521 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.239 this is not true. You know, Chuck Barriss wasn't actually Hitman but 522 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:15.800 makes for a great story. Who knows whether that's true or not. But 523 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:28.000 again, there's a lot of elite superstructure CIA elements just everywhere in this film, 524 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.559 but it's not apparent unless you kind of know the background. And I 525 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.159 wanted to get into some of the beyond just the SLA and Patty Hurst and 526 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:42.280 all that, and the seventies OPEC, but also the and not just Cronkite 527 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.639 in the CFAR, but Mockingbird, because Mockingbird is this, you know, 528 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.599 CI operation to really control the major media outlets in Henry Loose plays a key 529 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.199 role in this. Of course, he's the you know, Time magazine. 530 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.000 It's not just the print media, it's also obviously the televised media as well. 531 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.519 And I just covered last night the OPC, the Office of Policy Coordination, 532 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.480 which in nineteen forty eight was directed by Frank Wisner, right, so 533 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.840 he was a part of the Office of Special Product Special Projects, which became 534 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:19.239 the OPC, and this became the CIA's counterintelligence branch and Dirty Tricks operation. 535 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.119 Later in the same year, Wisner came up with the idea from Mockingbird, 536 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:28.360 which was a program to influence and run basically all domestic media now we are. 537 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.679 They already had their at not just their ADMIN, their madman, the 538 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:36.519 Don Draper types who's basically a kind of a war oss guy who goes into 539 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:43.199 the mad to advertising. They also had deep connections to people like Philip Graham 540 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:47.440 who Katherine Graham Washington Post right, which basically a completely CIA run publication, 541 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.119 as well as New York Times, and so they recruit They begin to recruit 542 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.519 a bunch of other media heads and media moguls, not just in print, 543 00:40:54.559 --> 00:41:02.400 but also across the networks like CBS, and so basically Wissner owns and is 544 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.480 running and telling what what what can be printed at New York Times, what's 545 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.679 printed in Newsweek, and what's CBS prints. Back in the late forties ninety 546 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.000 fifty one, Alan Dullas persuades cord Meyer to join the CIA, and they 547 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:22.679 begin to recruit even more UM and spy even more, and this leads to 548 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:30.519 this idea of eventually three hundred outlets are completely controlled, including the New York 549 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.480 Herald Tribune, New York Times, Time magazine that's through Henry Loose and CD 550 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:40.639 Jackson, who is the father of the doctrinal warfare program, on and on 551 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.239 all the basically all the big media at this time. I don't I'm not 552 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:49.000 gonna list all these but you get the idea. And uh so, basically, 553 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.199 Frank Wisner, his mighty Wurlitzer, is that he can play, right, 554 00:41:52.760 --> 00:42:00.159 is control, is controlling the entire media, and so it doesn't go 555 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.679 away, right, It's not like this goes away at some other time, 556 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.400 but in our day it just increases. And so it's no different by the 557 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.320 time in the nineteen seventies when this film is taking place, and a lot 558 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.800 of the people obviously running networks are also Wall Street individuals. They're banking individuals, 559 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.639 their hedge fund individuals, and so that clearly comes into the picture in 560 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.880 this film. The only thing we don't have is any specific reference to anything 561 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:30.519 like Mockingbird or the CI specifically, but we have reference to everything adjacent to 562 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.000 it, which I think is very relevant. But I thought that, you 563 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.280 know, if I had the inside secrets in the info, I could just 564 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.199 go to a journalist at the New York Times and I could expose the whole 565 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.840 system. Rch. Well, that's what we think initially. That so when 566 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.880 when Howard Beale starts to get his I'm gonna wake everybody up, you know, 567 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:55.119 ideology rocking. He kind of operates that way, and even what's this, 568 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.920 Yeah, even he's even he says he even he says, I'm gonna 569 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.079 tell everybody about what you're doing here. I'm gonna go to the press. 570 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.079 I'm gonna get the word out right, which of course it doesn't work, 571 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.639 and in the film it I'm gonna go to all the journalists and tell them 572 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.920 about it. Oh, by the way, are owned by the same companies. 573 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.800 And also, you know, I've got credit because I'm going to be 574 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.960 a college professor now that I'm having to retire. And then they're like, 575 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.480 can you be a college professor? And He's like, I gave a speech 576 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.000 once it you know, community College Missouri, So yeah, I can do 577 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:30.920 that. Um. The biggest Mockingbird element that I see just on the surface 578 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.920 of the film is when I when I think Mockingbird, one of the things 579 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.119 that I think is the it's almost a meme of the montage of all of 580 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.519 the local you know, the local news reporters. This is dangerous for our 581 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.480 democracy, right, um, echoing the same talking points, and it's one 582 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.159 and then it's it's four, and then it's twelve of them. And that 583 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.920 sort of occurs at the beginning of the movie because it's in three points in 584 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.239 the movie where we have one we have one reporter talking, and then we 585 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.519 have three of them talking, talking, and they're on a screen laid out 586 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.960 in the same fashion. They're not echoing the exact same talking points, but 587 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.320 it's sort of it shows. It shows that it's all the words are slightly 588 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.519 different, but the message that they got from you know, the guy writing 589 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.679 the talking point at the Pentagon or whatever, um is the same. And 590 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.639 uh, I think the movie exposes that pretty well. Like you said, 591 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.239 it doesn't name it though by name well, but and keep in mind too 592 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.880 that there is this naivety even at the level of Howard Beale and Max, 593 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.239 that that if you just get the word out right. I think initially Howard 594 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.039 Beale thinks, you know, I can wake everybody up, and there was 595 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.679 this naivety and kind of you know, just have faith in the process and 596 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.679 the American system. Think back again to movies like this, like mister Smith 597 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.000 goes to Washington, right, Jamie and I just watched this not too long 598 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.239 ago, and there you have Jimmy Stewart, who's uh, you know, 599 00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.440 this happy go lucky sort of simpleton guy who falls in to being a replacement 600 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:05.559 senator because somebody dies and so he has to go. And he doesn't go 601 00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.920 along with the Washington machine, and he starts going against it, and of 602 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.559 course all the dirt, the dirty tricks are pulled out against him and he 603 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.679 ends up falling back on I mean, it's so ridiculous. It's almost like 604 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.800 you almost feel like this is satire too, But I actually think it's supposed 605 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.719 to be that naive that oh, just let's let's get the boy Scouts churning 606 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.039 out their newspaper and then we can we can throw the rats out of Washington, 607 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.239 right, we can expose the corruption in Washington if we just get the 608 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.639 you know, the boy Scouts active. I mean, it's just silly, 609 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:45.119 but think how simplistic and sort of believing in the system things are at the 610 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:52.920 time of mister Smith goes to Washington versus the kind of nihilistic attitude, apathetic 611 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.280 attitude that we get from Network. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying 612 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.159 that Network is given a realistic portrayal of well, you understand, this is 613 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.480 how the system really works. Right, Think about another film at this time, 614 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:12.320 around this time, the one with u um I just went blank Um 615 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.679 Madonna's ex husband Warren Beatty, the one where he's programmed by this corporate to 616 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.440 be a patsy, that he's mind controlled by the corporation. Um, you 617 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.119 know talking about the It's not where he's the Senator, that's in the nineties 618 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.719 where he's the Senator. No no, no, not Shampoo, where he's 619 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.039 the man o the mkult It's a seventies m Kiltra movie with Warren Beatty where 620 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.400 he's a journalist, right, and it's the same idea where he's investigating this 621 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:46.280 corporation that's that has this mkultra technology that's basically creating assassins and he stumbles onto 622 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.320 this and he's gonna expose them, and then they grab him and mind control 623 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.480 him and they make him a patsy. Parallax View. Uh yeah, Parilexi. 624 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.199 If you're not seen, if you've never seen Paralexi, It's it's a 625 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.320 great it's a great one because it has the same sort of like, you 626 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:07.079 know, the guy who thinks he's gonna topple the system and he's gonna do 627 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.679 it through the press. Then he finds out that the press is controlled. 628 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.880 Right. It's the same kind of a thing, right, the m Cultra. 629 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.119 It's like the super megacorp that has you know, cim Cultra technology, 630 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.880 and he thinks he's gonna expose in the press, and when he exposed in 631 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.440 the press, then they just know to come get him. Right. So 632 00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:29.840 it seems like by the seventies there's a radical shift from the forties fifties optimism. 633 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.519 By the seventies there's this sort of just helpless against the machine of the 634 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.239 system attitude, and that's definitely going on a network. And if you watch 635 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.679 Black Mirror, it reminded me of the one where the black guy's on the 636 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.000 bicycle and he's just getting the you know, Pokemon pop ups all day and 637 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:51.039 he finally beats the system and then they give him his own show and his 638 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.920 own apartment. Right, So when he when he beats the system, he's 639 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.559 basically now just part of the system. Right, And they give that same 640 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:05.000 offer to Howard Beale at the end. Right, Yeah, it's it's Pokemon, 641 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:10.239 Pokemon pop ups. It becomes um becomes meta satire because they again they 642 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.960 think that they can expose the system through uh the media arm They are the 643 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.960 media army. They know, I mean they have they the like the first 644 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.840 tenth of the movie is them in production meetings about what they're gonna cover and 645 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:30.440 how they you know, the deportation of Jonathan Lennon, right um, the 646 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.039 uh what do they say is it? Is it strong enough to bump? 647 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.000 And then they're gonna go to the detective talking. Then they're gonna talk about 648 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.719 squeaking from then then like you said, Patty Hurst a A. David Um 649 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.760 Gorillas and Chad Opec and Vienna Oh, but we gotta do the shampoo ad 650 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.159 right um, And then that has to be approved by the other guys, 651 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.960 like the pit boss who who By the way, one of the best scenes 652 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.320 in this is when he first says that he's gonna off himself on camera. 653 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.840 They're in the they're in the in the control room, and only one person 654 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.000 is watching what he's doing, like on the screen, and it's the girl 655 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:08.400 like with the ticker who like times the segments totally analog, and then she 656 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.920 says, did you guys hear what they just said? And then it takes 657 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.079 like seven people to even know what he's what he said until it comes down 658 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.159 from the top. And then the president of the network gets involved, then 659 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.400 Robert Duval gets involved, then the other guy. It goes up this sort 660 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.920 of chain of command. Um. One of the clever like just about the 661 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.599 filmmaking, the clever thing that they do is one of the things that they 662 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:37.800 do is that this movie is a great example just in terms of the artwork 663 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:43.440 of showing us the story and not telling us what's happening, even though the 664 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.159 characters are telling us. So for instance, like the way that the movie 665 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.280 starts off sort of dark, everything's tope. It's on small screens, and 666 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.960 it eventually gets more expansive, we get we get exterior shots, it gets 667 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.960 brighter, and then it's sort of exposed, and then we get the dark 668 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.360 nous of the rooms. We get them. The scene where he talks to 669 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.199 Jensen at the end is like Citizen Kane. He's at a weird angle like 670 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.920 looking up at him like he's this god at the table. And I think 671 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.679 that the like this, this screenplay is so well written because it's an example. 672 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:21.400 It's an example of like the economy of style in that it doesn't have 673 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.599 to be long with a lot of words telling us or telling the filmmakers making 674 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.559 it what's gonna happen he has. It's almost written like poetry. The theme 675 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.119 that I found when I reread it was that a lot of times, um 676 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:42.599 what's his name, Chievsky uses like it's like imperial language. He uses a 677 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:46.400 kind of a high a diction to talk about the higher characters. He's constantly 678 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:53.400 using terms like Mandarin and wise, and you know they're godlike. And it 679 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.719 becomes prosaic when we have the guy talking on television to the masses, and 680 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:05.039 like you were saying about the fifties through the like and the transition into the 681 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.679 seventies. I think it's interesting for people to keep in mind that, you 682 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:14.559 know, television like the internet, because that's what it's become now, is 683 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.760 this thing that it's like this great so called democratizing thing of information where you 684 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.840 can you know. He later says, we you sit in your homes for 685 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.039 us to entertain you, so you won't be bored. But in reality, 686 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.519 it's just as controls um as it was before, even with no channels, 687 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.360 even with no television. So even though it's not coming in print, it's 688 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.440 just on the television. So people think it's for everyone and it's there all 689 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.880 the time. But in fact, it's just as controlled even down to the 690 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.639 second and fay Dunaway's character is one thing that you've talked about a lot, 691 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.400 and shouts out to Rachel, who's you know, wrote a book on this, 692 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:54.639 is that Fay Dunaway is the busy businesswoman in the film. Really she's 693 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.599 a sexually liberated feminist. She explains us at the beginning that she has daddy 694 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.079 issue. That's why she's attracted to him as an older guy, right, 695 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.400 because she's a she's a feminist with daddy issues. She talked about how she 696 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.119 had any partners, she's had, Yes, she talks. She talks about 697 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:14.880 that she's she's he talks about how she's more feels more masculine than feminine. 698 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.039 Everything she talks about in the film is business. Even in the where she's 699 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.280 in the act of having the affair with the guy, it's business the whole 700 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.440 time. She says, she consummates like a man. Yeah, exactly, 701 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.679 and she's basically she's like a female Don Draper basically. Yeah. There's a 702 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.559 scene there's a scene where she's like she's in the midst of, you know, 703 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.000 an affair with some other rando and like this shot from behind can we 704 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.320 see her bear like it's her bare back and she's watching the television smoking and 705 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.480 the guy is like canoodling on her, like, but the roles are reversed. 706 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.119 Yeah, this is what. This is why they shot that one scene. 707 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:52.679 That's why Jamie and I were cracking up when we were when we watched 708 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.800 Geelie, one of the worst movies ever made, because they intentionally have been 709 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:02.239 Affleck cuddling up Jalo in the masculine pose and he's over there like, oh, 710 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.239 curled up like in a fetal position next to Jlo because she she is 711 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:12.119 the fade dunaway of that movie, of that ridiculous movie. Have you seen 712 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.679 Julie It's so bad? Yeah, yeah, with the beautiful slow boy. 713 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:21.920 Um. Yes, she's also. The other thing about her is that he 714 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.440 does a good um monologue talking to his what when he breaks up with his 715 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:28.599 wife and he talks about her and how she has no feelings. He doesn't 716 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:35.840 think she she's like she's the She talks about ending life in the same way 717 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.599 with the same sort of lack of emotion. She's dispassionate as she talks about 718 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.719 advertising or programming. And the other thing is that she's constantly eating in the 719 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.159 movie. I mean, did you notice that when you rewatched it? She's 720 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.840 well, she's predatory. She's predatory. That's the point there. And he 721 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:54.599 says that you have no feeling and you're you're you're incense a And basically the 722 00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.960 point is that she's not going to be able to pair blind. But she 723 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.079 represents the incoming generation and that is only concerned with the numbers, right, 724 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.920 So she's sexually liberated, she's a feminist, she's um, you know, 725 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:14.360 super masculine. She's acting like Don Draper, and she represents the new generation 726 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:19.719 of people who are described by Beal. So when Beale gives his Brave New 727 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.920 World rant, which he basically does, it's if you if you well, 728 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.920 actually, the the the Jensen character gives a Brave New World rant with his 729 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.000 corporate cosmology, and then Bial kind of repeats it and they talk about being 730 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:39.679 entertained automatons basically being robots humanoids. They use the phrase humanoids, which is 731 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:45.360 this you know, uh invasion of the body snatcher's collectivist kind of ideology, 732 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.039 and they're basically saying that the corporations. There's this great scene again with the 733 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.840 Brave New World references where the Jensen character says, we will have everybody entertained 734 00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:00.280 and they will be tranquilized and they'll be happy. You're thumping on, I'm 735 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.159 gonna be hoppy, all right, Oh you eat the bugs and your old 736 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.360 nothing I knew would be happy. So he's like this Claus kind of character 737 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.239 or at this corporate vanguard black rock kind of guy at the end. But 738 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.760 what he like lays out is actually what h Well says, which is that 739 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:22.079 the corporate world will bring the global socialism, so the global socialist order, 740 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.119 which will get rid of individuality. Because they actually make that clear in the 741 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.840 screenplay too. The individuality is what will actually be sacrificed because there's not going 742 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.920 to be a bunch of nation states anymore. It's corporations, and those corporations 743 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.440 will all be under one corporation, and that will give everybody the collective identity. 744 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.280 He says, it's a it's amazing speech. He even does away with 745 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.679 the notion of, like you said, nation states, and he uses Russia 746 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.440 as as an example. He says, do you think Russia sits around and 747 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.119 like at the board, you know, do you think that the committee sits 748 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:59.840 around arguing about like you know, Karl Marx. I mean, he says, 749 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:05.079 they like a corporation, right, So, um, I think that 750 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.039 we could, I mean, we could do the entire thing, just on 751 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:13.440 the on the monologues and the thing and the guy's last monologue. But do 752 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.159 you, um, do you want to talk about beals? First? Let's 753 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:22.559 see his first speech here. Oh, I noticed by the way that the 754 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.960 characters there's a character named Cheney and this there's a character named Snowdon, which 755 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.880 is which is interesting. Um. And he says when he first gets to 756 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.559 when we first get to Max's office, I mean sitting with Nelson Chaney again, 757 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.760 it's like this Roman imperial language. He says, he's a patrician, 758 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.920 right, He's a patrician sitting behind Max's desk on on the phone, looking 759 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:49.079 up to note Packet's arrival. These guys are from another order, you know. 760 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:53.039 They're they're above corporate, right, They're above the clish and the way 761 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.440 that they um. They vibe for power throughout the thing, you know, 762 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.519 and they expose that, like, if I do this, then Robert Duval 763 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.079 won't be able to kick me out. When I have total control, I'm 764 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.639 gonna I'm gonna need to count on your essentially your vote in the Senate and 765 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:16.840 yeah, so so oh they mentioned Kissinger and the un um I wrote that 766 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:21.679 the stockholders meeting insights into the power structures on a basic level, even though 767 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.599 it's a massive it's a massive organism, which they which they kind of allude 768 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:32.280 to in this um later on, Um, I'm kind of skipping it head 769 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:40.320 here, but Diana, let's see when Slesinger meets with Diana, Diana says 770 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.440 the air. Oh, this is where we get the foreshadow of what happens 771 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:45.800 at the end of the film. The Arabs have decided to jack up the 772 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.239 price of oil another twenty percent, and the CIA has been caught opening Senator 773 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.079 Humphrey's mail. There's a civil war in Angola. You mentioned that, another 774 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.039 one in Beirut. In New York City's facing default, we finally caught up 775 00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.719 with Patty Hurst. The whole front page of the Daily News is Howard Beal. 776 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:07.280 So they decide to decide to run with him, because because people, 777 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.599 if you haven't seen the film, like what happens is Beal goes on his 778 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.760 rant and says he on you know what, tune in on Thursday. Our 779 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.639 ratings are so bad, I'm gonna off myself on camera. And this drives 780 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.079 the corporation crazy. They come in and they say, you can't you know, 781 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.039 this is debasement of media. We have this, we have standards and 782 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.320 practices, and we've never heard of such a thing. And then what ends 783 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:34.719 up happening is the ratings explode and Robert Duval decides to buy into it. 784 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.079 Because the corporation buys into it, they're making more money and they're just gonna 785 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:39.400 further what they were gonna do anyway, but they just do it in a 786 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:45.480 different way. And Robert Duval says, um, well, what I thought 787 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.639 was, it's interesting because UBS and the name UBS is seems to be I 788 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:55.880 mean, I couldn't help but think of the Swiss Bank, what's the annual 789 00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.320 income? Just as stated? They have three point two trillion in assets under 790 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:06.480 management as stated of course, but um, but they become like what Fox 791 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.639 became. I mean Fox began in nineteen eighty six, and if you were 792 00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:15.679 alive in nineteen eighty six, then anybody would remember like Cops right tops was 793 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:22.760 like the first big show that that drove Fox um into the limelight and like 794 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:24.440 into a new media thing. Because I remember, I mean I remember being 795 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.519 six years old and like we had Channel six, eight and twelve and it 796 00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:32.280 was those those companies. And then Fox came around and they had tops America's 797 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:36.679 most wanted and married with children, right, And it wasn't until long time 798 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.119 when the news came around. Um. But they start as kind of a 799 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:47.039 reality TV show driven just like in this, which is predictive. Um, 800 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.079 let's see, yeah, exactly. It's also prior to uh, you know, 801 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.920 the war on T E R R O R as well. And uh 802 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.400 so when we come to that first rant where he really starts getting you know, 803 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:07.039 shaking things up, did you notice that there's not really any reason for 804 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.000 it. It's almost like, uh, I'm mad as hell. I'm not 805 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.679 gonna take it anymore. And then it's in You're you're sitting here thinking, 806 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.440 Okay, what are you mad about? He's like, I don't know what 807 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.440 to be mad about. He says, I don't know what to do about 808 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.599 the inflation and this and that and the oil crisis and this and that. 809 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:28.920 I'm just mad. And so it's like this irrational mob psychology and it's oftentimes 810 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.559 played and I understand why, right, It's played as if it's this movie 811 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:37.079 about waking people up. Maybe in an indirect way it is, but it's 812 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.159 more of a tragedy about the human condition and more of like a satirizing of 813 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:47.880 this idea of network television giving you anything truth truthful, because the bel character 814 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.800 is again, he's more of a fool character. He's not he's not actually 815 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:57.599 a prophet character. He's more of a fool because everybody sticks her head out 816 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.800 the window and screams, and they're all doing it because the TV told him 817 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:06.159 to do it. That's the irony here. It's not an actual awakening. 818 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.400 Now, bal seems that he's sort of huff he's huffing his own farts, 819 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:15.639 right, he actually believes that he's waking up and he's had this great spiritual 820 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.880 enlightenment. He's gonna wake everybody up, at least at this point we think 821 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.639 that. And then he tells everybody to stick her head of the winter scream 822 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.119 and they all do it. So it's like everybody's operating in a collective. 823 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.719 And this is reinforcing what's later said in the story that what's going to be 824 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.440 done away with is individuality, everybody's individuality, because you're all going to be 825 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.719 put into a break New World collective. So that's actually what's going on. 826 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:44.559 It's not a movie about waking up the masses. It's a movie satirizing the 827 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:49.559 idea that you can wake up the masses through the controlled means of control media. 828 01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.920 Yeah, the scene, like you mentioned with he says, go outside 829 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.519 right now and open your windows and yell on. Mattis hell and I'm not 830 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.159 going to take it anymore. So it becomes this. So it starts off 831 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:05.400 as him seemingly being you know, it's like an organic statement, right Like 832 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.000 you said, he say, you know what really grinds my gears, you 833 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:10.599 know, and he's just mad, and everybody can kind of relate to that, 834 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:16.280 especially especially in the time right with the oil crisis and the the you 835 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.920 know, resident had two attempts that that week, and you know, everything 836 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.880 the fashion sucks, you know, and everything kind of gray in the savagies. 837 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:30.159 I mean, I'm being sort of you know, facetious, but but 838 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.519 it taps into that. And then he says, go outside and open your 839 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.960 windows and scream, and then like they open their windows and they hear people 840 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.559 screaming, and it becomes this mantra. And I think that the The insidious 841 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.480 part about this that I can just assume most people don't understand is that he 842 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.599 seems. It seems cool at first because he's angry and he's stating what people 843 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.079 think. But in the end what really gets me is when he goes on 844 01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:59.159 and he talks about like truth. He says, there's no more truth, 845 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.920 there's no more objective truth. It's and like you said, he's like, 846 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:06.159 he's he is a nihilist. I mean, he states in his I think 847 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.280 in his first speech he says, don't he says, don't ask god um 848 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.119 for truth. Go and ask your guru, ask your you know your your 849 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.679 your look inside. Truth is in you. That's like the new that's new 850 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:22.800 age dictum one oh one right, that's his truth, right and uh. 851 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:27.480 And then that becomes so he becomes this sort of prophet of nihilism that people, 852 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:30.480 you know, they tap into it and they love watching it. And 853 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.840 this reminds me. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you off, 854 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:39.599 but think of future movie rants about nihilism that I think probably pull from this. 855 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:47.639 So fight Club, the rant from Edward Norton about consumerism and fight Club 856 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.760 is like the next phase of nihilism. Beyond Howard Beale's nihilism. Right. 857 01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:58.599 Well, I think that one of the clever things in the screenplay is that 858 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.719 we are introduced, you know, we have we have the the system. 859 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:06.559 We're introduced. We're watching television. We're at home. You know, even 860 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.440 you sitting at home watching the movie. You're watching a screen where while they're 861 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.159 watching a screen inside a screen, inside a screen. So we're we're comforted, 862 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.519 you know, we're at home and we're watching a film. And then 863 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.800 this guy sort of loses and the the start jump cuts are supposed to be, 864 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.960 you know, they're supposed to be sort of surrealistic and um and satirical 865 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.159 because in one in one moment, the two guys are laughing and they're drinking 866 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:32.639 on the street, and then the next moment, like one of you know, 867 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.760 his head is down at the bar and he's talking about how he's gonna 868 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:41.599 he's gonna off himself. And then that we see how things maneuver. And 869 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:46.039 then at the end of the film, because of the the explicitly religious language 870 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.719 that he uses throughout the film, at the end when we get Jensen, 871 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.480 we got I think the climax of the film is when he says um Beal 872 01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.320 is sitting there looking up at Jensen at the end of the at the end 873 01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:02.199 of you know Halla, he calls it Valhalla in the boardroom and he says, 874 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.119 you know, I think I've seen the face of God, and Jensen 875 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:08.840 says to him, you just might be right. Yeah, yeah, it's 876 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.000 saying it's implying that he's the god of the system. Correct and and and 877 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.239 the language in that scene, I mean, we'll get to it, but 878 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:20.599 the language in that scene is like they're the lucif. It's weird the luminate 879 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:29.559 confirmed language that he uses in that scene. Um he says, he makes 880 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:33.079 references to like radiant light, He's seen the light, he's bathed in light. 881 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.559 Yeah, he said before that. Yeah, he is an emissary of 882 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:42.000 the light. Again new age Luciferian type of terminology. But it's because he's 883 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:47.679 he's now understood that, you know, he's not actually wakening the masses. 884 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:51.480 He's he's a controlled prophet. And in fact, the fade unaway character it's 885 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.159 said earlier on if the people want a prophet, give him a prophet. 886 01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:00.440 In other words, the corporations will give you the profit that you want for 887 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.639 the ratings and for the you know, ads and all that. So it's 888 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.519 just a it's just a numbers game. And later on when they want to 889 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:11.239 replace him, they decide, you know, let's just find another Guru or 890 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.440 another Ten Commandments kind of Moses figure. They can't find one, and then 891 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.039 they decide, as you guys know, spoiler alert, well I guess we're 892 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.800 just gonna get rid of him because now he's a problem. So he becomes 893 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:25.159 this sort of nihilistic martyr. But um, yeah, I'm as well, 894 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.199 I'm not gonna take anymore. And then he then he's sort of again. 895 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:32.519 I if he's control, if he's a mind controlled dupe, which it'stially possible 896 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:40.400 that you know, these mainstream media reporter figures might be mind controlled dupes or 897 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:45.400 whatever. You know, he's realized that he's completely controlled by Jensen, if 898 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.199 that is the case, and even if it's not, he does realize that 899 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:54.800 he's really just a pawn in a bigger game and that he's not really the 900 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:59.360 one that's controlling any of this. And and so we get this the the 901 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:03.079 not just a reluctant prophet, but the idea, like in Plato's allegory the 902 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.719 Cave, which is that, you know, the people don't really want to 903 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:11.000 hear the truth. And so when Jensen tells him to tell everybody the anti 904 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:15.679 human, anti natalist, nihilistic message, right, that's people that people don't 905 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.480 want to hear that. But they don't want to hear that because it's not 906 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:25.199 the message that made everybody feel good. That was the earlier message, right. 907 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.320 So the more nihilistic, the more realistic it gets. And I'm not 908 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.960 a nihilist. I'm just saying that the point of the film is that you 909 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:39.199 can't use this. The system itself will not allow the system to be used 910 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:44.000 for good purposes. That's the point of this film. I think, Um, 911 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:48.559 the I kind of got hints of I kept thinking of because of the 912 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:55.480 language in this, of the way that Jensen has described as that sort of 913 01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.719 I guess he would be more of a Beel's above in this. But he's 914 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.559 because he's an emissary, right. But one of the things that Robert Duval 915 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:08.960 says at the end is um he's describing him, and he says, yes, 916 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.280 he said that he wants Beal to stay on, you know, stay 917 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.719 does he doesn't, It doesn't matter. He wants him to stay on. 918 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:20.479 Television, and he said it in his uh filthy smooth voice. And um, 919 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.560 he says at the beginning here, like at the beginning of the screenplay, 920 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:30.359 he says that Max Schumacher, behind his desk is staring petrified at his 921 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.920 office console on which pandemonium is broken out. And pandemonium is I mean, 922 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.800 pandemonium is a Miltonian word, right, it's it's where it's where Satan at 923 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:44.520 the beginning of Paradise Lost finds himself in pandemonium. It's um, it's in 924 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:47.079 the tempest. It's in Shakespeare's Tempest right that um hell is empty and all 925 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:50.479 the devils are here, all they're all gathered in this building. They're sort 926 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:56.279 of the emissaries for this and that no matter what happens, um, Like 927 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.560 you said there, it's they're not going to let things get out of control. 928 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.000 Um if it's if it doesn't serve their purposes. He says. Um. 929 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:11.720 Also that he was in he was inflexible, and Adam Mantine in his 930 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:16.319 decision making Adam Mantine is a is a milk again in Miltonian word. Um, 931 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:24.560 he says, um. Uh, that's where Satan is thrown down in 932 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:30.319 Paradise Lost. And put in adam antine chains and penal fire. So his 933 01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.720 decision making is inflexible and everything he does is going to be for his own 934 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:40.199 purposes. And that's interesting because because like we've been saying, Howard Beale is 935 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:45.520 a kind of supreme egotist. You know. Um, he doesn't destroy himself, 936 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.720 right, he he he talks about offering himself continuously, and he has 937 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:54.239 these kind of weird he'll go off on his prophetic rant and then he'll have 938 01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.399 kind of a mock heart attack and fall on the floor and pass out. 939 01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.359 You know. It's like like a like a like a TV preacher. He's 940 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.880 he's often portrayed, he takes on more and more of a TV preacher persona, 941 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.159 even though he's not really a TV preacher. He's kind of an anti 942 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:13.680 preacher, right because he's eventually preaching behind this giant stained glass window image, 943 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.840 right, which is enigmatic of a TV church. And so we're getting we 944 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:19.920 get the idea that he's like a Jimmy Swaggered or a Kenneth Copeland kind of 945 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:25.079 figure. And his message, as we said at first, is kind of 946 01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:31.800 like one of rage and Protestant revivalism with a new Age revival preacher basically because 947 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.199 he talks about his Hindu conversion and all this stuff, and he gets people 948 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.880 rilled up. But then as soon as he starts preaching this sort of nihilistic 949 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:45.359 corporate message, he tanks, the ratings tank, everything tanks, and he's 950 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:50.840 he's again accepting basically of his complete pawn status. I think that's the most 951 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.000 shocking thing in the film is that when he gets the lecture from Jensen, 952 01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:02.039 you think he's gonna like speak back, He's gonna you know, talks him 953 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:05.840 smack or I'll show you I'll never stop with my message, and he just 954 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.960 completely caves. Right, He's like, you can just see the terror on 955 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.319 his face. Right, Yeah, he's frozen in terror, and exactly the 956 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:15.880 same way that he's frozen in terror when he wakes, you know, when 957 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:20.920 he's when he's lying in bed, he first receives receives his vision. And 958 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.640 even the way that they stage his new TV show, you know, like 959 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:27.840 you were saying, I mean, he's like Jimmy Swaggert. They show him 960 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.680 from behind first, they show him in front, he's got the stained glass 961 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:32.960 window behind him. But then he's got his hands up, He's got his 962 01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.760 arms up and he's got the the congregation in front of him, he's got 963 01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:44.680 a televised congregation UM, and he talks continuously about how he's received messages. 964 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.760 He's it's almost like he's received he's talking, you know, the spirit is 965 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.000 talking through him. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And they've got it's 966 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:56.600 kind of it's it's almost like an inverted trinitarian thing. They've got two other 967 01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.399 shows on there. They've got him, and then they've got the they've got 968 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.159 the Vox Populi, and then they've got this weird soothsacer works like yeah, 969 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.680 soothsayer like with a with a sibyl. They called her the Cibyl, Sibyl. 970 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:14.279 She's called Sibyl the soothsayer. And then they've got Matta Harry's secrets right 971 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.239 and um and the and the sibyl has like a year like a flag of 972 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:25.600 the European Union UM behind her um and so well, and Mada Harry's Secrets 973 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:30.439 is interesting because that well, she's the famous you know honey trop honeypot from 974 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.199 uh you know, a hundred years ago or so, who was married to 975 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:40.640 these various uh you know, royalty or nobility figures. And she she's a 976 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.399 burlesque dancer, or that's even prior to burlesque. She's like a, I 977 01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.000 don't know, nightclub dancer or something, and and uh, now that's what's 978 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.880 taken over the news, right, So we get a big leap, a 979 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:57.520 big change when girl Boss Fade Dunaway steps up to you know, bring about 980 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.399 her pseudo woke programming st ucture, which is, you know, the angry 981 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:08.079 prophet Sybil, the soothsayer Mada Harri's Secrets and the voice of the people. 982 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:15.000 So there's this pseudo corporate Marxism element which is creeping in with the new um 983 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.840 scheduling lineup of her shows, which is again way ahead of its time, 984 01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:24.479 and so it almost the best part is when they they're gonna have this the 985 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:30.119 Ecumenical Liberation Army and the name of the show is the Mau Hour. So 986 01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:32.920 here you have the corporate that this giant corporate entity which is going to put 987 01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.800 out the Mau Hour, which is all self consciously. I think it's even 988 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:42.439 it's even deeper than mere prophets or excuse me, the mere satire, because 989 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.640 this is really the case. You know, this is something that we've stressed, 990 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.680 which is that you know, Marxism has really always been a corporate creation. 991 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:54.319 It's always been something funded and promoted by the wealthiest people because it's a 992 01:13:54.479 --> 01:14:00.640 tremendous tool for social engineering, social change, for collectivisation, for or transfer 993 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.319 of wealth. I mean, all of these things are very useful when it 994 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:09.319 comes to the Marxist socialist systems. So that's actually in this film in a 995 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:14.359 very subtle way, so that there's this nineteen eighty four ish element where the 996 01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:17.760 counterculture counter revolution that you think you're going to be a part of. Like 997 01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:21.119 the Faye Dunaway character says at the beginning, She's like, I want the 998 01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:26.520 voice of the people. I want counterculture on primetime. And it's like there's 999 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:31.000 nothing counterculture at all about her because she's just the latest phase of the corporate 1000 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:38.840 control structures system. She's the liberated feminist who wants to put Marxists on TV, 1001 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.920 and it's all one percent of black Rock vanguard, top down system. 1002 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:54.399 One of the things about the characters in this but I realized was that they 1003 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:59.199 exist. So the news people exist on the screen, and that's the life 1004 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:00.720 that people see in there. You know, they're in their homes every day, 1005 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:03.800 and so the average person you know, especially in the seven he's watching 1006 01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.680 television like feels like this as a person who comes into their home, right, 1007 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.720 they're there every day. And one of the things with Beal is that 1008 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:14.800 we see him on the television, then we see his sort of we hear 1009 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.279 him talk about his backstory, and then we hear him we see him off 1010 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:19.840 stage, we see him in the office. But as time goes on in 1011 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:26.159 the film, he only comes into frame when he's on camera. There's even 1012 01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.279 a scene where he like he's been in a rainstorm outside and he comes in 1013 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.479 like with his like his rain jacket on, and and that's interesting because it's 1014 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:38.399 like he's gone through some sort of you know, neo baptism into a New 1015 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:43.479 age movement. And he starts ranning again about about you know what, grinding 1016 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:46.880 his gears. But, um, what do you make of the Max character, 1017 01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:50.520 because, like you said, Max is like the it's a generational thing 1018 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:55.079 where Max is like clearly a you know, he's a World War two guy, 1019 01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.520 he was there in the fifties. At first, he's like we're going 1020 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:00.000 to get this trash off the television. We're gonna go back to its great 1021 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.239 news, right, um, And then he gets fired then he comes back, 1022 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:09.359 then he gets fired again, comes back. But Max's whole thing is 1023 01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:14.199 like that he wants He loses his marriage, but he wants a relationship with 1024 01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.920 with Faye Dunaway even though he realized And do you think that that's because that 1025 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:27.239 shows that the older character wants to be involved in the new thing and sort 1026 01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:31.079 of realizes it or is it shown right? Like he doesn't know what he 1027 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:36.560 wants. He's he's a generation and a character that feels left out. He 1028 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:43.359 doesn't understand that that this craziness is a success. It goes against everything that 1029 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.319 he's useful when it comes to what he's used to when it comes to somebody 1030 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:50.840 uses this phrase about you know, like broadcasting standards and news reporting standards. 1031 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:56.920 Right, that's this old generation and he can't even come to grips with the 1032 01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:01.079 degree to which the next generation has been brainwashed. In terms of counterculture, 1033 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:06.600 which is again just a Tavistock creation. It's nothing to do with real counterculture 1034 01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:11.319 at all. It's totally control structure and bringing in the next phase of control 1035 01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:14.439 structure. So um, he think I just see him as a weak, 1036 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:19.399 vacillating character who doesn't know what to do with the future shocks that have come 1037 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:28.439 to the system. And this is actually when Tavistock and these entities were rolling 1038 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.079 out future shocks. This is actually in the time period when Alvin Toffler was 1039 01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:38.720 writing about future shocks, and so these social stressers and future future shocks are 1040 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:43.239 intended to create this catatonic state in the masses and in the viewer. That's 1041 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:48.520 exactly what happens to Howard Bill. Howard Bale represents and exemplifies the breaking psyche 1042 01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:54.239 of the future shock of that generation hit geek being shocked with this with the 1043 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:58.720 adult the mature adult generation in this mid seventies period, they don't they don't 1044 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.640 know what to do with it. Faye Dunaway represents the new aquarian age that 1045 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:06.920 has come into this, this new aquarium conspiracy that Ferguson writes about, which 1046 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:12.560 is dominated by you know, women in the boardroom, women on top in 1047 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.920 the bedroom, all of this stuff which is characterizing this this new era supposedly, 1048 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.359 and what we find out is that it's all a lie. And he 1049 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:24.960 kind of sees through this when he when he's been living with her after he's 1050 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.279 left his wife and he's been living with her for six months, and they're 1051 01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:31.319 arguing and they're miserable. And his wife even told him, you're in for 1052 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.720 a lot of drama. And that was true, right, it was all 1053 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.119 budget it was. It was all a lie. So he falls for the 1054 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:43.239 lie just as much as everybody else fell for the lie. Because Faye Dunaway's 1055 01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:47.560 character is completely programmed by the tube. She is because she sees everything as 1056 01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:51.800 a script and a screenplay that can be altered and changed at will for ratings 1057 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:57.520 and for power. And that's the message that Beale has actually, So Faye 1058 01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:03.319 Dunaway is the is the perfect model of the humanoid. She's called a human 1059 01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:06.439 I think at one point, right, he's like when he when he describes 1060 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:11.399 her as somebody beyond feeling, he's saying, you're the humanoid. She's the 1061 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:15.279 humanoid of Jensen and Beale's lectures, and so she is the next phase, 1062 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.319 the next she will bring in the brave new world is the point. And 1063 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:24.600 doesn't even know what she says. She says when they're eating dinner, she 1064 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:29.039 says, terrified out of my skull. Man, I'm the hip generation right 1065 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.680 on, cool, groovy, the greening of America. Man, Remember all 1066 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:35.600 that year that what humbugs. We were in the first year of college. 1067 01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:41.079 I lived in a commune, dropped acid daily, joined four radical groups, 1068 01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:45.760 and you know something else with Sufi Sutras. I lost six weeks of my 1069 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.720 sophomore year because they put me away for trying to jump off the top of 1070 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.920 the administration building. I've been on the top floor ever since. Don't mind 1071 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:54.920 any windows around me because I just might jump out. Am I scaring you 1072 01:19:55.000 --> 01:20:00.600 off? And and then later yeah, and then and then she talks about 1073 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.720 being a corporation man. And then later on it says Max and Diane are 1074 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:10.800 lying in a maelstrom of sheets, both still puffing from what must have been 1075 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.880 an a brilliant bout in the sect. So it's like that language is used 1076 01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:18.279 because because we're trying to see that Max is like a romantic and he's from 1077 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:21.880 this other ara that's supposed to be juxtaposed against her character that's like this, 1078 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:27.439 you know, it's like crocodile tears. She's just this total psycho. Yeah, 1079 01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:31.199 she's a psycho, and she she's obviously to some degree mentally unstable, 1080 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:36.399 but now she's found stability and basically becoming a corporate psychopath, right, Yeah, 1081 01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:41.239 which is ironic because the whole ethos of counter culture is supposed to be 1082 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:45.640 against being the man man. You're you're the corporate man man. Well, 1083 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:47.960 the corporate man is what she becomes as a woman. And that's the great 1084 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:54.199 irony and contradiction of her character. And now in our day twenty twenty three, 1085 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:58.159 it's it's like we're just like two business faces past her, you see. 1086 01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:00.840 Now it's you can identify is anything you see. So it's the same 1087 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.439 business plan that rolls out in crazier and crazier phases. And so somebody said, 1088 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:10.479 is the Fade Dunaway character actually a mind control Yeah? Basically, I 1089 01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.319 mean she doesn't she doesn't have to literally have been in the CIA, but 1090 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:16.560 she basically is some kind of you know, um, she's a product of 1091 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:23.239 the m cultric culture. Basically, she's totally psycho. I mean she when 1092 01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:27.239 you're watching the movie, you get this sense of like especially when they go 1093 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.680 they go to like some sort of cabin or something, the two of them 1094 01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.439 to have their affair. And it's interesting because now they're away from the corporate 1095 01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.800 building and they're like supposed to be outside on this vacation or whatever they're doing, 1096 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:43.279 and Max is like even his facial expressions, it's like he wants some 1097 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.800 sort of closeness with a human being. But she's you can't imagine her ever 1098 01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:53.399 saying anything personalized or anything sentimental. Her whole life, her whole thing is 1099 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:57.800 this is this business and the structure that she's in. And I think that 1100 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.600 I don't know, I think that she's lean an in. She then again 1101 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:06.640 very she's prophetic of what what exists today in the corporate world. Yeah, 1102 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:14.039 that's the total opposite of the wife who UM. By the way, there's 1103 01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:19.119 a thing in this movie where every time women who are not when when it's 1104 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:23.840 not when Fate donaways talked about, or when the you know, when POC's 1105 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:27.960 mom is brought in, it's um. Whenever they talk about women, they 1106 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.479 say, I've been, you know, living my whole life with this shrill, 1107 01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:35.319 sibilant um, you know, horrid woman who's been lying to me. 1108 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:41.159 And it's like, well, if that's the case, like this is what 1109 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:45.680 you want, you want, like you want this lady instead. So it 1110 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:47.399 is a kind of um. Like you said, it's a future shock. 1111 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:53.399 Um. It's the woman that plays his wife is great because she sits there 1112 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:56.680 and listens to him, you know, say that he's been having this affair 1113 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.560 and it's over and you don't know what a reaction is going to be, 1114 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:04.199 and it's it's pretty powerful. I mean, she takes it for the situation 1115 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:08.680 like she takes it fairly, just passionately. I mean, she is passionate 1116 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.720 about it, and she tells but she does tell him exactly what he's in 1117 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:16.039 for, like you said. And that's an interesting part because that those two 1118 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:20.279 characters fade un away and the wife would both you know, not that the 1119 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:24.479 awards mean anything but be wreck. You know, they would both win the 1120 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:30.680 Academy Award for playing two different, completely different archetypes. Right, And that 1121 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:34.319 the end that the wife is on screen for like five minutes and then she's 1122 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:43.199 totally gone. Um. Also, the way that Howard is continuously talking, 1123 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.319 I mean we mentioned surrealism earlier, but the way that he's constantly talking about 1124 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:51.039 dreams. One of the first ones is where he says, I wrote my 1125 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:57.119 note said that this is ecumenical imperial language of controlled chaos. So what so 1126 01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:01.600 what they do is they have order at the beginning of the movie, and 1127 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:08.720 then a chaotic situation ensues and then we have sort of generalized chaos, and 1128 01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:13.399 then we have this weird juxtaposition between Max, like you were saying, which 1129 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:15.520 is this older guy, but the other older guys are the same age as 1130 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.760 him, and there's but we see that they're a different you know, social 1131 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:24.199 strata because they represent the corporation. So at first, it's like you said, 1132 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:26.520 you know, standards and practices aren't gonna like this. You know, 1133 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.039 you can drink. You can drink your shot of bourbon like before you go 1134 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.159 on, but you can't be drunk on the camera. But now things change 1135 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:39.359 and they want drunkenness and you know, supposed like truth and reality on camera, 1136 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.319 and we see that. We see him say, last night, I 1137 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:47.760 was awakened from a fitful sleep at shortly after two o'clock in the morning by 1138 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.960 a show. Oh here is a shrill, sibilant, faceless voice that was 1139 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.920 sitting in my rocking chair. I couldn't make it out at first in the 1140 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.319 dark bedroom, and I said, I'm sorry, you'll have to talk a 1141 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:01.359 little louder. That's a weird speech because it is like he's talking to somebody. 1142 01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:06.319 You know, he's either dissociating or he's literally talking to someone and the 1143 01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:11.800 capital V voice, so he capitalizes the voice in the screenplay like it's this 1144 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.399 some sort of godlike character. The voice said to me, I want you 1145 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:16.840 to tell the people the truth. Not an easy thing to do because the 1146 01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.640 people don't want to know the truth. I said, you're kidding. How 1147 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.279 the hell would I know what the truth is? I mean, you have 1148 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:25.880 to picture me sitting there on the foot of the bed, talking to an 1149 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.840 empty rocking chair. I said to myself, Howard, you're some kind of 1150 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:31.720 banjo brain sitting here talking to an empty chair. But the voice said to 1151 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.600 me, don't worry about the truth. I'll put the words in your mouth. 1152 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:39.239 And this is why it's kind of remlatory. And I said, what 1153 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:42.000 is this the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses, And 1154 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.319 the voice said to me, and I'm not God. What's that got to 1155 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:49.800 do with it? Yeah? Later on it's interesting because he later on, 1156 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:55.399 like just after that, he'll say why are you telling me this? And 1157 01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:59.880 the voice will tell him because you're on television, dummy, And that's exactly 1158 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:04.039 that's exactly what Jensen says, right, So it's almost like Jensen and perhaps 1159 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:09.479 Faye Dunaway, are you know, mind controlling Howard Beale, right right, 1160 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:14.399 right, because because because Faye Dunaways all four of this crazy plan, right, 1161 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.720 She's she's the one that's like, I will create the number one show 1162 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.840 if you let me have this, let me run this, let me be 1163 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.439 the you know, programmer, producer. I will make this a number one 1164 01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:30.359 show. And she's completely committed and at no point does she at any time 1165 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:34.840 show any conscience, right, she has no conscience at all in the um. 1166 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:41.640 She's only committed to winning this game when it comes to the ratings and 1167 01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:45.479 uh, you know, making this crazy show a hit. Um. And 1168 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.039 so she's sort of like the perfect underling for Jensen. Right, we don't 1169 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.680 I don't know if we've ever, if we ever are told at any point 1170 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:57.119 that there's a connection between her and Jensen. But the Robert Daval character is 1171 01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:01.439 the under He's below Jensen. Jensen is this, like you said, disembodied 1172 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:08.760 godlike figure. Throughout the film, and when Howard Bill does his speech about 1173 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:13.319 the merger, trying to undermine the merger, you know, Robert of all 1174 01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:17.359 sitting in there feeling like he's lost everything, and he's dreading this phone call 1175 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:23.359 from the disembodied voice of Jensen. Right, Yeah, he's he's the consigliari 1176 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:27.279 dreading the voice of Marlon Brando, know exactly, I'll need you to Lit'll 1177 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.960 talk to you. Come to me in the day of my daughter's wedding. 1178 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:34.279 Um. And he's in he's in black high like almost the entire movie. 1179 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:39.720 He's constantly in a tuxedo. He's always at dinners, he's at the stockholders 1180 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:44.520 meeting. He dreads, he dreads the disembodied voice of Jensen talking to him. 1181 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:47.399 Everybody's on the phone, so they're they're constantly talking to people who aren't 1182 01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:53.079 there, of course, including Howard and UM, like you said, he 1183 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.039 we we we as the audience fear what Jensen is going to be like when 1184 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.800 he shows up. And when he finally shows up, of course it's a 1185 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:06.239 baty from from Deliverance. But um, but that's that's like his um, 1186 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:10.359 that's his facade. Because even when we meet Jensen for the first time, 1187 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:14.640 you know, when how when we meeting Howard, like because we're supposed to 1188 01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.800 I guess his audience, we're supposed to be Howard and that's where and so 1189 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:24.079 he meets Jensen and Jensen were terrified what Jensen's gonna be like, but Jensen 1190 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:26.560 says, hey, you know, look, I was a salesman. I 1191 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:29.359 can sell anything. I can sell this, I can sell that. And 1192 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:33.119 now he's risen to not the top, but he's because he's still, you 1193 01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:38.319 know, an emissary for somebody, but he's going to explain to him what 1194 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:44.760 it's like and be It's also interesting that his soliloquy in Valhalla in the boardroom, 1195 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:48.039 that he calls it Valhalla, is also a performance. It's and it's 1196 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:54.720 becomes a meta performance because it's a two page monologue where it's written in this 1197 01:28:55.680 --> 01:29:00.479 like it's a it's it's a Miltonian soliloquy to the other demons. But it's 1198 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:04.640 like he's rehearsing it, and when he's done, he says, does that 1199 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:08.920 you know, he's like, does that make sense? He just breaks He 1200 01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.680 breaks yeah, yeah, yeah, did I get into that breakthrough to you? 1201 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:17.720 Yeah. So so it's like the movie's interesting because it breaks the fourth 1202 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:23.560 wall obviously because we see the characters. You know, they're doing a sides. 1203 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.239 They don't really do true at sides. They're not talking directly to us, 1204 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:29.479 but they are because they're talking to a screen, which is us but 1205 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.279 there's a layer there. There are layers of you know, veils, and 1206 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:38.399 then finally we get this this piercing the veil at the end where we see 1207 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:45.239 like them the method revealed completely from the guys. I mean it's from the 1208 01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:48.479 horse's mouth at the end of the film. Um, right after that speech 1209 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:53.640 with Diana, we're in there where they're in the they're eating dinner together. 1210 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:56.920 Howard says, you have forty million Americans listening to you after it's a nice 1211 01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.520 show. You can have fifty million. For Pete's sake. I don't expect 1212 01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.239 you to walk the land in sackcloth. And Ash is preaching the armageddon you're 1213 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:09.520 on TV man. So again it's been it's pseudo biblical language, as if 1214 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.560 he's supposed to be a prophet. But like he says, um, this 1215 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:16.199 is the reason why Bal is not. It's like, okay, well, 1216 01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:20.439 how how based is Bal going to be right? Because he says at the 1217 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:25.119 very beginning, he says, like it's completely nihilistic. He doesn't you know, 1218 01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:27.319 he doesn't want to talk to God, he doesn't believe in God. 1219 01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.399 It's all about you know, the egotistical, like you said, new age, 1220 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:34.399 you know, looking inward, looking inward, and it becomes this, 1221 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:41.279 you know, my truth. Um, I'm here, I'm gonna shout and 1222 01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:46.880 everybody's gonna follow me. But to what So there's no there's no real resolution. 1223 01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:50.520 No. This is another thing that predicts the future of media, basically 1224 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:55.239 where we are in media now. So if you remember, you know, 1225 01:30:55.319 --> 01:31:00.039 back at the time of forties, fifties, sixties, news rapport was supposed 1226 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.239 to be about the facts. I mean, it wasn't, but it was 1227 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:04.520 supposed to be that, right, I mean it was you know that Walter 1228 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:12.760 Cronkite era was one hundred percent still psychological warfare, public opinion making Walter Lippmann 1229 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.199 right, I mean the stuff that we've been talking about, because Lippmann wrote 1230 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:19.520 wrote this in nineteen twenty so they're making a public opinion out of tavistock Is 1231 01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:28.399 nineteen twenties. And then we get Burne's wrote propaganda also Tabstock connected in nineteen 1232 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.880 fifty twenty eight, so he wrote he wrote this eight years after Lippmann's public 1233 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:39.560 opinion, and by the forties and fifties you get these you know, totally 1234 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:44.680 cronkite seven sixties as well, so type characters that are totally controlled. But 1235 01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:51.680 the next phase of where they want to take things is again just even crazier. 1236 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:56.359 And that's what's so hard for that generation to accept. And I wanted 1237 01:31:56.359 --> 01:32:00.840 to make a point that probably wasn't maybe immediately apparent, which is that there's 1238 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.079 a lot of books in the seventies that came out from the elite power structure 1239 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:13.960 that also I think gives context to this movie. And I mentioned before the 1240 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:18.119 Marylyn Ferguson book about the Aquarian Age or the Aquarian Conspiracy, which is a 1241 01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:24.359 seventies book, but it's you know, like we're decade, two decades almost 1242 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:29.199 after the counter culture of the nineteen sixties era, and the New Age movement 1243 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:31.800 is still going strong in the seventies. And one of the things that she 1244 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:36.960 talks about in that book that you wouldn't expect is networks. A big part 1245 01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:42.399 of that book is networking and creating networks. And so even though this is 1246 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:46.399 about a TV network, when we watch the film, it's actually about power 1247 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.880 structures and their networks. Networking is a big part of the power structure, 1248 01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:57.439 and so certain people are at certain levels of this pyramid. Right, we 1249 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:04.920 can think of the same kind of thing is lampooned in um remember the oh 1250 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:11.640 Jesse even you know what's the one with jesseven turin Arnold, the dystopian movie 1251 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:16.600 where they're running Man, where they have one TV network that runs the society. 1252 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:21.039 Right, very similar to what we see in network Um and Damien is 1253 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:25.640 this you know figure that basically controls the wholes He's sort of the dictator who's 1254 01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:30.319 also the TV game show host, which is which is funny, but um, 1255 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.680 every strata of the society kind of has its its network, right. 1256 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:38.720 So there's the masses who watch Howard Beal, and then there's Howard Beal and 1257 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:43.079 the you know, directing production team. That's another network. But there's a 1258 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.399 network above them, which is the network of the corporate uh you know, 1259 01:33:47.359 --> 01:33:50.960 elite and the shareholders, the shareholders meeting, but they actually answer to a 1260 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:56.199 higher network, which is this amorphous Jensen group which represents like the hedge funds 1261 01:33:56.199 --> 01:34:00.439 and these big you know, international conglomerates, and they answer even to high 1262 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:08.520 powers as well. So networking again is very key to how media controls everybody 1263 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.239 and the replacement for this. There's a movie about that called The Social Network, 1264 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:16.000 right, with Jesse Eisenberg playing who Zuckerberg or whatever. And that's about 1265 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:23.079 the establishment of Facebook and what is Facebook but social networking? Yes, Peter 1266 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:28.640 Peel is in the movie. Who Peter Peel, Peter Teele is in the 1267 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.439 film is Social Network? He's in He's in the Social Network. He's actually 1268 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:34.079 in the film. Yeah, I remember, he's the he's the he's the 1269 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:38.840 angel investor for for Facebook. And when they go when they go to New 1270 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:41.760 York and he's wearing his pajamas or whatever, and he goes to me, 1271 01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.640 the angel investor. That's Peter Teele. He's actually in the film. And 1272 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:49.039 and actually that's interesting because because that that movie is an Aaron Sorkin film, 1273 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:56.159 and this movie is the Aaron Sorkin like this, this is the movie that 1274 01:34:56.359 --> 01:35:00.880 is the precursor for all Aaron Sorkin works. People talk about Aaron Sorkin because 1275 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.479 Aaron Sorkin is the you know, he's like sort of seen as the screenwriter 1276 01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:09.800 par excellence. And we can see where the you know, even the way 1277 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:14.560 that things are are scripted and seen on television, like with The West Wing. 1278 01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:17.000 I was recently watching like a season two of the of The West Swing 1279 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:20.520 and the way that we have the tracking you know, you have the tracking 1280 01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:24.760 shots, the walking tops, and we see that in this film. I 1281 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:29.800 know Aaron Sorkin like worships this movie. And because the screen the screenwriting is 1282 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:32.199 so tight, you know. And again it's it's like you said, it's 1283 01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:39.439 it's it's sort of a pre a proto social network. Yeah. And you 1284 01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:45.880 know she talks about how uh in in this book the personal and social transformation 1285 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:48.680 in the nineteen eighties. Right, So she's writing this right when the eighties 1286 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:51.800 are about to start. I'm pretty sure it's it may have been early eighties. 1287 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:56.640 I thought it was a seventies book. But of course John Coleman's theory 1288 01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.359 is that it's actually written by uh. Yeah. This so she this in 1289 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.640 nineteen seventy six to prepare everybody for the nineteen eighties and what they wanted to 1290 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:10.600 see in the nineteen eighties as the strategy of moving us into the new world 1291 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:15.159 order. And so the end of it is actually about how we will all 1292 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:19.439 be globally networked together in a global transferformation. And now keep in mind, 1293 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:23.680 this is not a conspiracy book. People are confused by the title of they 1294 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:27.359 think, oh, that's a conspiracy. No, No, this is a 1295 01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:31.880 book from the establishment about what the whole counter culture of the nineteen sixties was 1296 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:39.079 about, which was to transform and change everybody in the society to enter into 1297 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:44.159 what she writes about at the end is the whole Earth conspiracy. And that's 1298 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:48.800 what Jensen says, is that everybody will be under the network. Everybody will 1299 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:54.000 be under this one. There will be one network, because the network will 1300 01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:59.640 be the network of the one corporation that will give everybody the brave new world 1301 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:10.000 social scenario. The Um, the Sibyl, even the fact that they I 1302 01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:14.279 mean every time I hear Sybil, I think, I think Um. Beginning 1303 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:17.159 of the Waste Land C. S eliott Um references the Sibyl non Sibyl m 1304 01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:20.000 that you know, the man goes to talk to the Sibyl in the aid 1305 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:24.920 and the Sibyl says, I'm in hell or I think of Sibyl League, 1306 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:29.560 remember cyl Sibyl League. That the witch who was brought into MK Ultra and 1307 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.600 or was it mka often right, and she was brought in for the for 1308 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:41.239 the the occult programming the darker things in MK Ultra. In John Marks he 1309 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:45.800 talks about Sibyl Leaku and Um. But it's interesting to consider that there's a 1310 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.159 sibyl in this, and that the sibyl, even in the even the classic 1311 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:57.119 Sybyl, is a prophetess who speaks for another power structure. Shoot, so 1312 01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:01.119 she is relaying the message for the guy. Remember that scene in three hundred 1313 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:04.720 right where he climbs, he climbs up on to the top of the mountain 1314 01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:09.359 and he talks at the article. Yeah, and they're up there huffing gas 1315 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:14.000 and being perverts and um. But there and they give him a fake message, 1316 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:16.119 right, which is that like, no, the war is not you 1317 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:18.199 know, give us your gold and the war, by the way, is 1318 01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:21.840 not going to be advantageous for us at this time, which is totally fake, 1319 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.199 right, because the sibyl is just up there being there being there pervert 1320 01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.000 slave or whatever. But it's the same in this that they have. They 1321 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.960 she's one of the people that like is on the programmed, you know, 1322 01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:40.439 produced a television show, just like Howard Beale is right where he is supposed 1323 01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:45.039 to be an intermediary between the people and the power structure. And then like 1324 01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:48.359 you said, there's levels of the pyramid where each one is completely you know, 1325 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:55.600 they network amongst each other, um, and they sort of they I 1326 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:58.279 don't know they can. Again, they can sort of like Bob and weave 1327 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:00.560 through. You know, things don't up exactly when, you know, when 1328 01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:03.520 we think they're gonna happen, but they're gonna happen later on. But it 1329 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:10.319 just depends on the how the the organism works. Um. I mean they 1330 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.720 even bring up later on, they bring up Sybil to sus Air. And 1331 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.720 thought it was interesting that they bring up the It says possibly uh by twenties, 1332 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:24.760 possibly thirty with a comparable Q level? What that was weird? The 1333 01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:27.880 other segments on the bele shows, Sibyl to sus Air, the webbing, 1334 01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:30.079 Vox popula I have all developed their own audiences. It was again, what 1335 01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:34.239 did you think was weird about that? Just like well, just just about 1336 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.279 that certain letter. That letter. I know that a Q level in terms 1337 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:44.760 of of marketing and advertising, yes, and TV, but you know, 1338 01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:48.479 with with the thing, I just thought it was Q and on and on 1339 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:53.520 they were predicting Q and ony. Uh. By the way, did you 1340 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:59.000 have you watched Madman? Oh? Yeah? Uh huh so I never did 1341 01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:01.760 watch it, and Jamie and I are watching it. Um, I don't. 1342 01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:05.439 Actually, I'm still in season one and we're almost done with season one. 1343 01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:10.560 I don't find it to be that engaging or that interesting so far. 1344 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:13.960 I know that where it goes because for some reason I ended up seeing like 1345 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.920 the last episode at some point. Um, so I know, I know 1346 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:21.119 where Don Draper ends up. But uh, you know I see parallels between 1347 01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:26.199 that and this as well, because you know this, this ends up being 1348 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:31.319 very much about um image iconography, you know, and a lot of the 1349 01:40:31.399 --> 01:40:36.039 ADMIN end up being the TV men as well. So these worlds actually collide 1350 01:40:36.520 --> 01:40:40.600 and then the ADMIN are also coming out of the OSS as well. Now, 1351 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:45.680 I remember in season one there's some point where they mentioned I don't know 1352 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:49.000 where this this the screen The story goes with Don Draper, but he's some 1353 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:54.439 kind of amorphous war person that we don't know. He was doing something in 1354 01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:59.720 the war and he wants to hide his background. Um so is it because 1355 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.119 he's OSS or something? I mean, do you recall? Well? I 1356 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:08.319 don't. But I think that one of the things that this film does well 1357 01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:11.199 and that they do in Mad Men, is that they kind of should they 1358 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:15.840 illustrate the the Old Boy Network in a way that like we don't get we 1359 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.640 don't get now, um, because it's become sort of something else. But 1360 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:23.479 like I mean the documentary you were showing last night with Chuck, you know, 1361 01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:27.520 Chuck Uston and he's interviewing Helms and like all the people that we see 1362 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.119 in the interviews are all part of this network, right, and you know, 1363 01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.520 Sidney Lumette is sort of outside that. Sidney Limott himself is sort of 1364 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.199 outside that network. But he did go to Colombia and he was you know, 1365 01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:41.600 I mean, it's Glory of Vanderbilt and the first Wife and you know, 1366 01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:45.680 all this stuff, and I think that, um, that's one thing 1367 01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:47.600 that they do in I mean, those people are lower, you know, 1368 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:51.680 in the scale, like in mad Men. But I do just on a 1369 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:57.079 personal note, like I do. I do have a friend who um is 1370 01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:04.960 at a pretty much draper level advertising in New York and UM and it's totally 1371 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:09.359 different. I mean, the same sort of it's the same sort of maneuvering 1372 01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:13.079 in things that happened then, but it's it's totally different now. Like you 1373 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:16.119 know, everything is fifties in the show, and it's image and style and 1374 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:20.880 um, you know, like I mean, he he had the uh, 1375 01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:25.319 he had the NFL account, he had the uh, he had like the 1376 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:29.279 Windy's account. He had the the iHeart Radio I mean, he had the 1377 01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:34.000 big accounts. And it was interesting that like he flew me. He called 1378 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.600 me one time it was like, um, hey man, you want to 1379 01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:40.319 come out to Vegas? And I was like, I mean, you know, 1380 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.439 is this is this on the you know, is this on the Don 1381 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.720 Draper card? And he's like, everything's paid for it, you know, 1382 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.840 I've just tell me when you want to come, I'll fly you out there. 1383 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.399 The hotels paid for, expenses are paid for. We're gonna go to 1384 01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:55.600 the iHeart Radio festival. And I kind of didn't believe it because he's my 1385 01:42:55.720 --> 01:42:58.479 friends, so I didn't believe. Like I was like, dude, how 1386 01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:02.000 can you know this guy? And we went and uh, we went to 1387 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:06.439 We went to the festival that the performers like, we went back. You 1388 01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:11.560 know, we were backstage and because he's advertising, the performers will get off 1389 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:14.079 stage and come up to him and be like, sir, you know, 1390 01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:16.039 was that a good performance? And he's like, listen, I'm talking to 1391 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.239 my friends. Get the hell out of here, you know, and it's 1392 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:23.840 like they're funny, you you're the guy. So but he would, you 1393 01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:25.880 know, he went to every event, and he would go to all these 1394 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:30.119 things. And I think that it's interesting because you know, he he got 1395 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:34.359 that through his you know, college networking. Um, you know, he 1396 01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:40.520 went to a college where he knew people and and those people sort of it's 1397 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:44.039 expanded from that, but the core thing is still the same, you know. 1398 01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:46.720 It's it's it's who you know, what you look like, what you're 1399 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:50.239 gonna you know, what what your background is, and what you can accomplish 1400 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:56.560 for the bigger thing though, I think, and it's just funny to me 1401 01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:00.359 because you know, Draper is this psycho psychopath in the so called patriarchy right 1402 01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:05.840 in the in the fifties era, and then now Faye Dunaway is the sociopath 1403 01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:12.760 psychopath you know, almost dissociating uh Don Draper type of character in the nineteen 1404 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:16.079 seventies because she's the product that you know, Draper ends up at esseland Institute 1405 01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:20.600 meditating. He's this total nihilist, self serving pleasure man, and then he 1406 01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:26.880 ends up looking for you know, meaning at esseland Institute meditating. And then 1407 01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:31.279 so the sixth Esselan is the brains behind the sixties counterculture New age movement in 1408 01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:34.560 America. You know, Huxley goes there and promotes it, and all the 1409 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:41.039 new ages like Debat Chopper promote it and then uh, Faye Dunaway is this 1410 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:44.960 this product of that ironically and so but now it's a woman, I think, 1411 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.479 which is interesting. So now what is news now? Well, news, 1412 01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:49.960 I forgot what I meant to say it earlier when I was talking about 1413 01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:56.079 the old guys h Howard Beale. The reason he's popular is that he attracts 1414 01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:00.880 a culture personality, and news wasn't this way at this time. And so 1415 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.159 some people were saying, oh, you know, he's predicting, like Donna 1416 01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:06.880 Hue and stuff like that. Okay, maybe maybe it's predicting like the daytime 1417 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:12.359 talk show, but those people weren't really known for personalities. You know, 1418 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:15.000 people weren't following Donna Hue because he had a personnel. Donna Hue is actually 1419 01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:19.119 really boring, right, Yeah, I mean, but it does, in 1420 01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:25.680 a way, inadvertently maybe presage the way media is now. People follow media 1421 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:30.039 figures like Lord Baltimore because he's a character. You want to get your media 1422 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:33.479 from somebody who's interesting and funny, and it's and it really is infotainment and 1423 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:43.239 Howard Howard Beale's entertainment before there's infotainments. He's charismatic, he's magnetic. Um, 1424 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.479 he's you know, his his foibles and his faults are things that people 1425 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:50.520 relate to, and they trust him more for that U versus the the the 1426 01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:55.760 cronct characters who are like straight laced, Yeah, straight laced establishment, you 1427 01:45:55.840 --> 01:46:00.199 know, and they're they they've got their stories. One thing that bother me 1428 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.760 about this movie is I mean, I I was watching Um, Sam Hide 1429 01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:10.359 and Nick talk recently about something, and Nick was saying that Um, whenever 1430 01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:14.159 he like sees certain things, he's always like obsessed with the logistics of it. 1431 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.399 And I don't understand how they can do a news story in the seventies 1432 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:23.800 and they can have footage of things because there's there's no there's no zip file 1433 01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.840 to send, right, there's no video. There's a pre videotape. So 1434 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:30.960 there's like person have to view the actual event and film it on a Super 1435 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:34.520 eight camera and then and then courier it all the way to New York. 1436 01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:39.159 How long does that take? Yeah, it's great. So you did have 1437 01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:43.279 I think you had stringers and people like the Jake Gellenhaal character at this time 1438 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.800 time. But yeah, but again, like you said, though, like 1439 01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:49.920 I think they probably relied on stock footage a lot more than we would think. 1440 01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:59.960 Like when I was watching that old news seventies news broadcast about the CIA 1441 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:03.079 an Angola, I think they were just running a bunch of b roll from 1442 01:47:03.319 --> 01:47:06.239 you know, old who. It might not have even been Angola, might 1443 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:12.600 have just been some random ass b roll from some African looking country or something, 1444 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:15.119 I guess. So, I guess they still do that now, but 1445 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.520 it's just sourced from the internet. So remember a few years ago they this 1446 01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:21.560 is what's happening in Syria and it turned out to be like a Kentucky firearms 1447 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:29.800 exhibit because they're lazy and yeah, exactly. Also with Night with Nightcrawler, 1448 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:35.079 like there's a you know, I don't know, I think that Renee Russo's 1449 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:41.439 character and that is almost like she's not as psychic, you know, she's 1450 01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:45.399 not on the same level as Fay Dunaways and obviously she's local news, but 1451 01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:50.079 her character like uh takes a cue from Faye Dunaway's character. It seems like 1452 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:53.880 that's what it's kind of evolved too, and like as it's made its way 1453 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.840 down to the local news right Russo, she throws out her she has, 1454 01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:00.960 you know, she throws out her morals. I mean she never had any, 1455 01:48:01.039 --> 01:48:04.479 but she threw out her facade of morals. Um. She takes what 1456 01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:08.840 she can't. You know you you went inside the house. It looks like 1457 01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:11.079 you stage this. Okay, I'll take this, you know, and then 1458 01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:15.520 their barter for for the money. Um. So, I guess the the 1459 01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:17.800 Jake Jillenhall character is just the one that we don't see in this right well, 1460 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:20.920 in a way, I mean he would be I guess actually the Jake 1461 01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:28.880 Jillenhall character might be related to the guy who looks like Um Tim Um the 1462 01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:31.000 actor, to the tall guy, to the what's her named Tim? He 1463 01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:35.399 was in Arlington Road, Um, the guy in Shawshank Redemption. There's a 1464 01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:39.199 character in this one of the two is Tim Robbins. One of the two 1465 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.199 assassins looks exactly like Tim Robbins. There's the great Amiccon and then there's the 1466 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:45.880 Tim Robbins character. So I guess maybe that would be Jake Jillenall, like 1467 01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:49.680 in another age. By the way, it's interesting that one of the resolutions 1468 01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:54.600 a small point of the movie is that what happened to the great amic Coon. 1469 01:48:54.920 --> 01:49:00.640 He got away, right, he yeah, because he's he's a controlled 1470 01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:05.079 system creation, right, even though he's on they killed the guy on camera, 1471 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:08.439 and then I guess the audience is just sitting there and then they're like, 1472 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:10.680 all right, cut you know, um, okay, you can go, 1473 01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:15.279 sir, and then he just leaves. I'm glad you brought up the 1474 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:16.960 parallel to Nightcrawler. And by the way, I do have an old Nightcrawler 1475 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.319 analysis with Sean Helton from twenty one Wire, which I just looked as nine 1476 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:25.920 years ago. So we were doing film film analysis nine years ago. If 1477 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:30.479 you want to go see our Nightcrawler analysis where we got into the background. 1478 01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:34.119 I mean, the Jake jellen Hall character is great in that because he is 1479 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:43.800 precisely one of these sort of totally psychopathic news social climbing news people who realize 1480 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:45.920 is that the way to get to the top is to actually make the news 1481 01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:51.600 and fake the news fake news. All right. So long before Don Trump 1482 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:58.359 was doing that, Jake Jillenhall showed us that in Nightcrawler back in twenty fourteen. 1483 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:02.800 I would say, I would two, There's another Uh to Die For 1484 01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:10.119 is also really good. That makes the same point with um Nicole Kidman and 1485 01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:13.760 Gus van zandt right you've seen that. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's a 1486 01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:19.359 classic because she's also like the psychology pathology the peche mode. I thought that 1487 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:26.039 was a good introductor the character in Um to Die For. She she's a 1488 01:50:26.119 --> 01:50:30.560 local news uh weather girl basically who decides that she has aspirations to be, 1489 01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:35.079 you know, the most famous news anchor whatever, and so she gets she 1490 01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:40.479 just basically does everything in moral that you could think of, including being involved 1491 01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:45.600 in murder. But it's making this same point about the power of media as 1492 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:47.079 is Natural Born Killers. I mean that's kind of the point of that movie 1493 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:50.079 too, which is to show that, you know, it's the media has 1494 01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:56.079 a role in making the serial killer into this you know, popular, amazing, 1495 01:50:57.439 --> 01:51:01.920 cool character. When they're compared they're complete degenerates. But that's actually part 1496 01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:05.199 of the role of the media is actually to do this on purpose. With 1497 01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:10.840 Robert Downey Jr. I'm Wayne Gail here on Highway sixty six. Yeah, 1498 01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:15.800 that's the sort of Haraldo looking at the Yeah, he's totally a Haraldo character 1499 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:18.439 exactly. That one was interesting because I remember when it came out and h 1500 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:24.600 the they had the Barbara Walters interview with Woody Harrelson. Um talking about how 1501 01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:28.520 you know your character in this is similar to someone that you might you might 1502 01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:31.560 know personally, like your father, right, And Um, that's when do 1503 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:34.520 you remember that interview? They asked what? She asked what he Harlson about 1504 01:51:35.119 --> 01:51:41.079 his dad? What's his name? Is it Charles Harris Harrelson and ms And 1505 01:51:41.239 --> 01:51:44.880 he says in the interview, he says, um, Well, she says, 1506 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:47.479 and you've claimed that the CIA trained your dad. Um, why do 1507 01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:50.079 you think that? And he said, well, I think it because it's 1508 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:53.800 true. And she says, do you think that makes any difference? And 1509 01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:56.840 he says, Um, I think it makes any difference in the CIA trained 1510 01:51:56.880 --> 01:52:01.760 my dad. Yeah, I think most people's dad, right, yeah. 1511 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:03.800 And she says, um, what do you want to talk about it some 1512 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:05.920 more? And he said, nah, these are the kind of questions I 1513 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:10.960 can't really talk about. Actually, recently learned did you see that movie? 1514 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:15.840 Um, see that movie Cocaine Bear that just came out. I'm not seeing 1515 01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:17.279 it yet, but I do plan to watch it. Well, it does 1516 01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:23.239 the the storyline for the movie is about the Dixie Mafia that you've talked about 1517 01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:27.239 and and in the in the just to make it short, in the real 1518 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:32.000 story, the guy who threw the Pilcaine out of the airplane and fell to 1519 01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:35.399 his death and like was wearing the Gucci loafers and all that was working. 1520 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:39.880 He was a he was an establishment guy in Kentucky. He was like in 1521 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:42.880 a horse racing family. He went to you know, private schools and colleges 1522 01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:45.399 and all this. But then he started being a kind of a Barry Seal 1523 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.319 character. But when it went to trial later, the guys connected to it, 1524 01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:54.840 the federal judge, Um, one of the witnesses, Um was off 1525 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.560 before the trial. And then the federal drug judge was assassinated. And who 1526 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:01.199 was the assassin, Woody Harrelson's dad. That's the one that he went to 1527 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:08.159 prison for. So interesting. Wow, But um, yeah, I think 1528 01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:11.079 that I remember. I mean I watched that Nightcrawler analysis when it happened. 1529 01:53:11.079 --> 01:53:15.560 Shouts out to the old school people out there, and I think that One 1530 01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:19.439 other thing about that movie that's interesting is that Jake Jillenhaal Um, there's a 1531 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:24.520 scene where he's in his you know, tiny little um you know, he's 1532 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:28.840 in his odd cubicle apartment and he's like watering his little plastic plant and he's 1533 01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:32.479 sitting there eating and he we see his kind of schizophrenia, right because he 1534 01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:38.359 starts hearing voices and laughing, and it's it's similar to this movie how you 1535 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.720 know, how how Howard Bill acts in the film UM and receives his messages. 1536 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:48.720 Do you do you buy the connection between the Edward Norton in Fight Club 1537 01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:54.319 and Howard Bill here, because it's like Edward Norton's nihilism and fight Club is 1538 01:53:54.359 --> 01:53:58.840 like the next level beyond this this level. It's because you know, we're 1539 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:02.000 in the nineties to that point, right or is it? Is it right 1540 01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:05.800 after the Big Nine event? I forget when fight clubs right before? Yeah, 1541 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:10.000 it's right before. It was pre pre Big Nine? And yeah, 1542 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:13.439 I do buy the connection because, um, you know Edward of course, 1543 01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:16.640 Edward Norton is working. I mean that that movie and that book UM are 1544 01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:24.000 about the you know, the ultra consumerist UM sort of that that well, 1545 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:28.119 and he's he's dissociating too, right, I mean, and and he's and 1546 01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:31.119 he's yeah, and he's dissociating. And then the UM, the co opted 1547 01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:35.640 paramilitary group that they become in the movie exists as part of the arm of 1548 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:41.199 the of the stay too, or of of the structure to break down the 1549 01:54:41.560 --> 01:54:45.359 you know, the the buildings of the banking structure. And then again just 1550 01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:48.600 like in this it's order out of chaos. So what are the it's is 1551 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:53.960 it? What's it called Operation Chaos or they have a name for the operation 1552 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:57.600 that Tyler Dirden gets Edward Norton to do, but I can't remember the name 1553 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:00.359 of it. Well, I don't remember the name of it. I met 1554 01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:04.880 Chuck palinik Um, the guy who read Yeah, I met him at the 1555 01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.800 Goal I was. I was. I lived in Ireland, I went to 1556 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:13.920 school there, and um, and I met him at the Galway Literary Festival. 1557 01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:18.119 And that was weird because um, he like he's this like Western dude 1558 01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:21.439 with like a poncho on. But at the beginning when he gave a reading 1559 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:27.319 and um he said, uh, he said like, I'm just gonna warn 1560 01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:30.680 you that every time I read this short story, people walk out. And 1561 01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:32.119 this was like at a literary festival, and I'm like, who's gonna walk 1562 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:35.479 out of this? Like who, you know, we're not prudes. But 1563 01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:40.680 like there was a point in the short story when I went this this is 1564 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.720 like the most infense, insane thing I've ever read UM. And I think 1565 01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:49.119 that people got up and walked out, and I think that Polinick it's weird, 1566 01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:51.800 like what's happened with people like Palinick? Or are these sort of you 1567 01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:57.279 know, UM nineties like Irvan Irvan Welsh who wrote Trainspotting in these sort of 1568 01:55:57.439 --> 01:56:03.079 nineties postmodern figures who exist in the kind of UM pop culture domain and who 1569 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:08.319 make you know, literature popular um and that that seems to also move on 1570 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:11.920 from what we get in the seventies UM as a we get a reaction to 1571 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.399 the seventies altar of film, and we get the eighties and the big, 1572 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:16.720 the big you know, government movies, and we get Top Gun and it's 1573 01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:19.560 you know, they used like you wrote in your book, like you know, 1574 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:24.239 they use the aircraft carriers and the Department of Defense, you know, 1575 01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:28.319 as contracts and advises on the movie. And then in the nineties we get 1576 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:30.439 this sort of scaled down version in a number of ways, we get the 1577 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:35.159 big movies also, but we get scaled down versions which are getting geared at 1578 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:40.680 a more personal or individualized level and trying to make people um. In one 1579 01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:45.680 sense, rebel against the obvious consumerism, but in the end it just was 1580 01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:49.880 furthering it again, just like in this film. Well, there's this I 1581 01:56:50.039 --> 01:56:53.680 remember, by the way, thank you to the gun in the chat their 1582 01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:58.000 operation mayhem in there you go in the in the in the movie, not 1583 01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:03.720 read the book. But there's this subtext in the rant of Edward Norton that 1584 01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:11.119 we need to return to primitivism. So there's this archaic revival primitivism thing which 1585 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:20.399 is part of the counterculture. Actually it doesn't end up winning out because when 1586 01:57:20.439 --> 01:57:25.680 the counterculture culture kicks off, a lot of the writers are searching for different 1587 01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:32.840 possibilities of what types of culture might be better. Right, So like Terrence 1588 01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:38.960 McKenna talks about returning to more indigenous ways of living and you can see them 1589 01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:43.039 searching for living off grid and all that, but they're immediately confronted with the 1590 01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:46.560 fact that living off the grid and all that typically requires men and masculine energy. 1591 01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:53.319 Men build houses, they engage in constructing subpumps and sewers. It's not 1592 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.920 typically women they're doing this. So there's this, Okay, but how are 1593 01:57:56.920 --> 01:58:01.239 we going to have archaic revival and primitivism without toxic masculinity. Oh, we're 1594 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:05.159 gonna have like a feminist Guya kind of spirituality. Right, That's why, 1595 01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:11.479 that's why all of those seventies and eighties taxs, like Turning Point by Freedolf 1596 01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:16.640 Copra and Marilyn Ferguson's a New Age book, it's they constantly stressed the guy 1597 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.399 a feminine aspect, as does Terrence McKenna. He's like, no, it's 1598 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:23.680 got to be guy a worship. We can't go back to any patriarchal stuff. 1599 01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:27.760 So in Fight Club you get a reaction against that, all of the 1600 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:32.680 Faye Dunaways that have been stepping up and leaning in and girl bossing already in 1601 01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:36.560 the seventies and eighties. And if you remember, there's this point too in 1602 01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:43.720 the movie where Fay Dunaways talking about like stock options and who's like shorting the 1603 01:58:43.800 --> 01:58:47.000 market. It's like, that's not what women are typically interested in there, 1604 01:58:47.039 --> 01:58:51.239 and they're not usually talking about shorting the market, right, but she does. 1605 01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:59.279 And so in Fight Club you have Edward Norton talking about how feminine it 1606 01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:03.000 is for a society to seek safety, security, perfect, you know, 1607 01:59:03.159 --> 01:59:09.159 ease, simply all the stuff that uh modernity is offering. And so his 1608 01:59:09.399 --> 01:59:16.479 postmodernity. Nihilism is grasping for masculinity, which is why they have fight club 1609 01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:21.520 right where guys meet up and and and you know, let out their pent 1610 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:30.279 uprage at this feminized um ease and security based society. So, now do 1611 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:34.039 you do you think that the primitivism in it's like, I mean, people 1612 01:59:34.079 --> 01:59:40.960 often draw comparisons to the um the let's say, like the youth groups and 1613 01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:45.119 the outdoor groups of the of Germany in the middle of the twentieth century, 1614 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:50.880 right, Um, And so it's a it's a it's it becomes a masculine 1615 01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:57.239 primitivism, that's a paramilitary arm right. Um, do you think that what 1616 01:59:57.359 --> 02:00:00.239 do you think that that means? In terms of I mean, there's there's 1617 02:00:00.279 --> 02:00:02.479 one on the one end, we have the you know, the dawning of 1618 02:00:02.520 --> 02:00:05.039 the Age of Aquarius, and we've got all you know, we've got all 1619 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:09.000 that, which is a whole other, whole other thing, but it's still 1620 02:00:09.079 --> 02:00:13.319 part of what you were saying. And then we have the more masculine groups. 1621 02:00:13.720 --> 02:00:15.479 Do you think that, I mean, that's a brave new world. 1622 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.520 Right do you think that now there's this because like you were saying, it 1623 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:24.239 didn't work in terms of like a let's say it's just a true return to 1624 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:27.039 primitivism and men are going to go do this stuff, but they didn't have 1625 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:30.159 the men to do it. And do you think that that's mixed in with 1626 02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:36.279 you know, technocracy transhumanism and we have like you know, we have on 1627 02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:40.840 the one end is returned to primitive living and on the other hand we have 1628 02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:45.479 a technological age like we see that in West World. This is yeah, 1629 02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:50.880 this is archaea futurism, right, that's the notion of mixing primitivism with transhumanism. 1630 02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:56.680 And so this is people like Terence McKenna and Gillam Fay. So he 1631 02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:02.479 was one of these, I think arctis public his book from On Our Archo 1632 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:09.720 Futurism, which influenced some of the alt R I g HT characters, right 1633 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:13.640 right, So um, yeah, so in in the European New Right, 1634 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:16.720 you have people that have promoted this idea. But uh so that's like the 1635 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:23.439 right wing version of Terrence mckenney's left wing version. But in my view them, 1636 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:26.720 my view is just totally controlled, made up stuff. It's not it's 1637 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:30.239 not a real organic movement anymore than Terence mckenne's thing is a real organic. 1638 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:36.439 They're they're just the right wing neo neo pagan spirituality of um, you know, 1639 02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:44.479 the new right versus the left wing feminist you know, goddess worship of 1640 02:01:44.640 --> 02:01:47.439 Terrence McKenna. They're both two arms of the same new age thing, and 1641 02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:51.000 they both promote, like you said, like trans humanist stuff, although probably 1642 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:57.439 Terrence McKenna would be a little more critical of the trans humanist stuff than the 1643 02:01:57.560 --> 02:02:02.640 New Right would be. Yeah, the how just came across the humanoid part. 1644 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:09.840 Um. This is what Howard says after the gentsen, Yes, after 1645 02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:13.239 the gents and speech, Howard says, the time has come to say, 1646 02:02:14.199 --> 02:02:18.680 um, is the humanization such a bad word? So he totally changes right, 1647 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:23.119 um, because good or bad, that's what's so. The whole world 1648 02:02:23.239 --> 02:02:28.439 is becoming humanoid creatures that look human but aren't pretty regulatory, the whole world, 1649 02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:30.880 not just us. We're just the most advanced country, so we're getting 1650 02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.800 there first. The whole world's people are becoming mass produced, programmed, wired, 1651 02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:40.560 insensate things, useful only to produce and consume other mass produced things, 1652 02:02:40.680 --> 02:02:44.640 all of them as unnecessary and useless as we are. That's fade done away, 1653 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.560 right consuming She's constantly. He brought up she's constantly eating it. That's 1654 02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:51.520 that's when they start to hear him and they go this, God gotta go 1655 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:57.640 because he says that, and then he gets the the Bank speech um. 1656 02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:05.960 The the Jensen speech um is essentially again what he does in a face in 1657 02:03:06.039 --> 02:03:12.199 the crowd um. But he leads him into should we go over that? 1658 02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:17.279 That's talk. Yeah. That that's actually the most revelatory overall in the film 1659 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:23.800 is the Jensen speech the corporate cosmology. So so that speech is interesting because 1660 02:03:23.880 --> 02:03:27.840 I can't help but think that. I mean, you brought up a good 1661 02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:30.680 point earlier. You said that Beale is essentially a fool. I mean he's 1662 02:03:31.640 --> 02:03:34.439 he's kind of like the fool in king Lear, but without king Lear. 1663 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:38.359 Right, he's speaking the truth in a sort of tempest. I mean, 1664 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:41.720 the timpet like when king Lear and the Fool are out on the heath and 1665 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:45.960 he's raging against the wind never never never never never um, and the fool 1666 02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:49.319 is the voice of reason. But in this I guess the two characters are 1667 02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:53.640 kind of unified in one because he is a sort of a he's an old 1668 02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:56.880 figure. He's like a king Lear figure. He's part of this, you 1669 02:03:56.960 --> 02:04:00.720 know this power structure. Um, he's magnetic, he's cares madic. But 1670 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:04.720 the fool in him is saying, is saying the things that are true to 1671 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:10.720 some extent. But I couldn't help but think of um and as you Like 1672 02:04:10.880 --> 02:04:15.279 It, just to bring in a purely literary element that I'm sure um the 1673 02:04:15.319 --> 02:04:18.399 screen, right, I'm sure Sayevsky meant. I mean, he couldn't have 1674 02:04:18.560 --> 02:04:23.479 not meant this when he wrote this. Um, there's all the world's a 1675 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:28.560 stage speech in As you Like It, Um, which occurs right after the 1676 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:31.680 Fool's speech, and in that he says he goes through the seven ages of 1677 02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:35.319 man. But this is like, this is like, um, this is 1678 02:04:35.399 --> 02:04:40.279 Beale's life basically in the In the movie, he says, all the world's 1679 02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:43.119 in stage, and all the men and women merely players. That's what they 1680 02:04:43.159 --> 02:04:45.720 are in the film. They have their axents in their entrances, and one 1681 02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:47.920 man in his time plays many parts, his axe being seven. Um, 1682 02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:53.560 he says, the lover sighing like Furnace with a woeful ballad made to his 1683 02:04:53.680 --> 02:04:58.640 mistress eyebrow. So that's like Max in the movie. Then a soldier full 1684 02:04:58.680 --> 02:05:01.720 of strange oh's and beard like the pard jealous and honors, sudden and quick 1685 02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:05.399 and quarrel, seeking the bubble, reputation even in the cannon's mouth. That's 1686 02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:10.560 that's Beal in the movie, raging, raging against the not the dying of 1687 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:14.840 the light. But it's I guess it's being illuminated. He constantly talks about 1688 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:18.319 being illuminated in the movie. Um uh. And then the justice it's fair 1689 02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:21.960 round belly with good cape, unlined, with eyes, severe and beard, 1690 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:26.479 a formal thought full of wise saws and modern instances. And so he plays 1691 02:05:26.520 --> 02:05:30.720 his part um Latin. Then he's I'll skip to the end, last scene 1692 02:05:30.720 --> 02:05:33.960 of all that ends this strange, eventful history. It's second child, scottishness 1693 02:05:34.039 --> 02:05:39.119 and mere oblivion, sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sands everything, 1694 02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:45.039 And that's the on screen assassination. So it's interesting that that that the 1695 02:05:45.159 --> 02:05:54.319 characters play out these roles, that they're literally playing parts in the news in 1696 02:05:54.439 --> 02:05:59.159 the movie, and then the actors are playing those roles and we're watching them 1697 02:05:59.239 --> 02:06:04.000 as arcatapes playing roles, and it just it's it's all sort of synthesized in 1698 02:06:04.119 --> 02:06:08.880 this in this movie, which is this sort of the same as a sort 1699 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:15.439 of cut and pace from Shakespeare and from Milton right. Um Jensen says. 1700 02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:18.439 He leads him into the room and he says, he says, Um, 1701 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:23.239 you know, it's his Valhalla, and we get like, I mean, 1702 02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:26.520 the staging of it really is like in in Citizen King. We get it. 1703 02:06:26.600 --> 02:06:29.720 It's kind of off. So we see his character is sitting down, 1704 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:32.359 yeah, and he's way far away at you know, untouchable at the end 1705 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:35.800 of this giant table. He's in a he's in a three piece suit. 1706 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:41.520 He's like v suit. He's like the suit of all suits. And Beale 1707 02:06:41.600 --> 02:06:44.560 is sitting down and he's low in his chair and he's looking up and of 1708 02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:46.079 course we're looking when we're looking up in film, you know, we're looking 1709 02:06:46.119 --> 02:06:49.960 at somebody who's larger than life. And he's he all of a sudden goes 1710 02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:53.960 on this monologue which seems rehrst. I mean, it's crazy. He says, 1711 02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:57.399 you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, mister Beale, and 1712 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:00.279 I won't have it. Is that clear? You think you've merely opt to 1713 02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:02.680 business deal. That's not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars 1714 02:07:02.720 --> 02:07:05.800 out of this country and now they must put it back. So he's giving 1715 02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:10.640 us a kind of an introduction or an exposition, and he says, it's 1716 02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:15.359 the ebb and flow, tidal gravity. It is ecological balance. You're an 1717 02:07:15.399 --> 02:07:18.680 old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations, 1718 02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:23.000 there are no peoples. There are no Russians, there are no Arabs, 1719 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:26.279 there are no third worlds, there is no West. There's only one 1720 02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:31.920 holistic system of systems, one vast and immine interwoven, interacting, multi variant, 1721 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:38.199 multinational dominion of dollars, petro dollars electro. Interesting that it's electrodollars, 1722 02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:44.039 multidollars. It's the international system currency that determines the totality of life on the 1723 02:07:44.119 --> 02:07:46.439 planet. That is the natural order of things, that is the atomic, 1724 02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:50.840 subatomic and galactic structure of things today. So it gives us the microcosmic and 1725 02:07:50.880 --> 02:07:56.079 then the macro cosmic level of it. That's his sort of pyramidal view of 1726 02:07:56.680 --> 02:08:00.319 things that he's in control of. And you have meddled with the primal verses 1727 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:05.399 of nature. So he ties it back in and you will atone. So 1728 02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:09.720 the idea of atonement is interesting because it's like he's saying to his servant, 1729 02:08:09.840 --> 02:08:15.880 here, you're going to atone for the sins that you've committed because you were 1730 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:18.520 running my system, you were doing the things that I told you, probably 1731 02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:22.119 indirectly. They talk about sort of plausible deniability and how they can't tie in 1732 02:08:22.159 --> 02:08:26.640 the murder directly to the news agency. And so there's already a disconnect, 1733 02:08:26.840 --> 02:08:30.399 and then here there's another disconnect, like you were the guy. We gave 1734 02:08:30.439 --> 02:08:33.039 you the job, and then you were doing this stuff and we were letting 1735 02:08:33.039 --> 02:08:35.920 it happen and it was serving our purposes. But now you have to atone 1736 02:08:35.399 --> 02:08:41.079 in this quasi religious way for what you've committed. Well, the assassination of 1737 02:08:41.159 --> 02:08:45.279 the blood atonement, that's the thing, right, right, he says, 1738 02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:50.399 Um, he says, you get up on your little twenty one inch screen 1739 02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:54.399 and howl about American democracy. There's no America. There's no democracy. There's 1740 02:08:54.439 --> 02:09:01.239 and then he names the corporations those which is what we've been saying over here 1741 02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.640 on this channel for a long time. Right, So the speech that he 1742 02:09:03.800 --> 02:09:09.800 gives could be the summation speech of everything that this channel has been talking about 1743 02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:13.640 for maybe the last ten years. It really is, it's all I mean, 1744 02:09:13.720 --> 02:09:16.279 it really is all here. It's all in this movie. Um, 1745 02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:20.319 we no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies. The world is 1746 02:09:20.359 --> 02:09:26.359 a collage of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by laws of business. 1747 02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:28.640 The world is a business, mister, mister beale, it's a business. 1748 02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:33.239 And then he brings in, He even brings in ponscomb evolution. Right, 1749 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:39.159 he says, has been since man called out of the slide. You will 1750 02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:43.239 live to see that perfect world, brave new world in which there's no war 1751 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:48.720 and famine, opression or brutality, one vast and ecumenical holding company for whom 1752 02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:50.680 all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will 1753 02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:54.720 hold a sheriff's stock. You know, y'all, get your your your UBI, 1754 02:09:56.039 --> 02:10:00.239 all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized. You take your soma, your 1755 02:10:00.520 --> 02:10:05.399 you know your fentinal meth um. All borders, all sorry, all boring, 1756 02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:07.920 He should have said, borders, all bored He kind of implied that 1757 02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:13.199 all boredom. Amused. Right, you'll you'll go to your entertainment, your 1758 02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:16.520 pervert, your pervert entertainment. And I have and I have chosen you. 1759 02:10:18.439 --> 02:10:24.199 So he's chosen to preach this evangel Yeah, he's the prophet Christ figure preaching 1760 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.000 this gospel of brave New World exactly, which is by the way, new 1761 02:10:28.079 --> 02:10:33.439 Age in in the hucks And novel, it's it's a new Age, uh 1762 02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:37.640 you know religion that they have, which we discovered that when we broke down 1763 02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:41.119 a Brave New World recently. Um, and Huxley is a key figure in 1764 02:10:41.159 --> 02:10:43.720 the New Age movement. He went and uh you know, was a mover 1765 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:48.880 and shaker at Esselin. So that's why we've seen the new Age thread throughout 1766 02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:52.479 this movie. This movie which I didn't actually uh, like I said, 1767 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:54.800 like I had not. I had watched about twenty minutes of this movie ten 1768 02:10:54.920 --> 02:10:58.560 years ago, and um, I never finished it. Not because it was 1769 02:10:58.640 --> 02:11:01.560 bad, It's just a I got distracted at the time and just never finished 1770 02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:05.439 it. And I always heard the clips, you know, because Lord Valdemar's 1771 02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:07.760 played the clips for twenty years, and I just never thought much about it. 1772 02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:11.560 And I'm glad that I did finally go and watch it, because there's 1773 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:13.159 so much in this movie that you don't expect to be there. I did 1774 02:11:13.239 --> 02:11:18.079 not expect this new Age thread running throughout it. But but yeah, he 1775 02:11:18.239 --> 02:11:26.279 is essentially a prophet, a christ preaching figure for this new um, this 1776 02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:33.319 brave new world. We um what I think that what I think is probably 1777 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:39.159 the best part of this whole of this of the screenplay, the screenplay here, 1778 02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:41.439 I mean look like I mean, I do a literature channel, so 1779 02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:46.079 it's all it's all books, right, and we'll cover you know, we 1780 02:11:46.159 --> 02:11:52.079 occasionally cover movies or movies based in books. But I think that this screenplay 1781 02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:56.319 exist, it will will make it. I mean, it's already in the 1782 02:11:56.399 --> 02:12:01.239 sort of cannon of scram It's I would consider this one of the best screenplays 1783 02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:05.600 I've ever seen. It's it's so well written, and I think that this 1784 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:09.800 thing is so revelatory, so tight, and he says, um. My 1785 02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:13.199 favorite part at the end is he says, Howard slowly. This is not 1786 02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:15.439 in the film. This is the direction, you know in the screenplay. 1787 02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:18.479 It's this Poward slowly rises from the blackness of his seat, so that he 1788 02:12:18.640 --> 02:12:22.439 is lit only by the ethereal diffusion of light shooting out from the rear of 1789 02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:26.119 the room. He stares at Jensen, spotted on the podium, transfixed. 1790 02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:30.800 It's a it's religious language, right, this is lumina confirm. I mean, 1791 02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:35.000 he says, I mean, it's like we're about to go through the 1792 02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:39.239 portal right to the top. And he says, Howard, all of a 1793 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:41.800 sudden says, what an odd line to say. He says, I've seen 1794 02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:45.640 the face of God, which is a culmination of where he's been headed throughout 1795 02:12:45.680 --> 02:12:48.359 this thing. But of course he's a nihilistic prophet. It's also, by 1796 02:12:48.399 --> 02:12:52.920 the way, it reference to the beatific vision. Right, So this is 1797 02:12:52.960 --> 02:12:56.399 the Beati vision of the Latin Roman Calic Church, which is that to see 1798 02:12:56.479 --> 02:13:01.239 God is to see you know, the essence, to see everything, to 1799 02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:05.800 see you know, reality and toto in terms of its full meaning and full 1800 02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:09.760 significance. I mean, Orthodoxy we don't have that. We have a doction 1801 02:13:09.800 --> 02:13:13.520 of seeing the divine energies. But um, it's beatific vision language on purpose, 1802 02:13:13.840 --> 02:13:18.359 but it's not beatific vision of God. It's the God of the world 1803 02:13:18.479 --> 02:13:22.840 system, who is the you know, the essentially the controlling oligarch. It's 1804 02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.119 a it's a to me, it's a it's a glimpse. It's a glimpse 1805 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:31.560 of the anti Christ in terms of this guy is an emissary, right, 1806 02:13:31.439 --> 02:13:35.680 And he says, because he says I think I've seen the face of God. 1807 02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:39.319 And Jensen says, you just might be right, just right. Yeah. 1808 02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:46.680 So that's, by the way, that's the same way that um Mosophomon 1809 02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:52.520 talks in Brave New World. He uses this h christ like language as well. 1810 02:13:52.680 --> 02:13:56.760 Right when we have that weird creeper chapter about the peedo stuff you can 1811 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.720 see end of chapter three, and he says, let the children come unto 1812 02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:05.359 me, right, so most off himand is also this Antichrist type of figure, 1813 02:14:05.279 --> 02:14:09.000 which is a really I mean, people have I'm sure people have read 1814 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:11.920 the book. Are they read it in school? But it's interesting to go 1815 02:14:11.039 --> 02:14:15.640 back and reread the book and look at exactly what you're looking at in that 1816 02:14:15.760 --> 02:14:18.960 scene, especially in that scene. It's so unbelievable what happens in that scene, 1817 02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:24.960 in the creeper scene. I think that, you know, the sort 1818 02:14:24.960 --> 02:14:31.119 of Luciferian satanic pandemonium language is kind of tied up in a bow at the 1819 02:14:31.239 --> 02:14:35.079 end, when of course we get the Sibyl the sous air, and then 1820 02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:39.560 we get he is, Hackett says about Jensen. So Vincent has made his 1821 02:14:39.600 --> 02:14:43.560 appearance and then he's disappeared, right, He's gone back to you know, 1822 02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:48.640 the under the capstone or wherever he is, and he says he is intractable 1823 02:14:48.680 --> 02:14:52.800 in adam Antine. 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Last 1892 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:41.040 thing I noticed is that, you know, we find out that the Beal 1893 02:19:41.159 --> 02:19:43.559 characters really as in my view, a kind of a fool uh. He 1894 02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:50.959 really ends up caving to this pseudo rebellion, the pseudo counterculture, and he 1895 02:19:52.079 --> 02:19:56.120 basically just preaches the gospel of nihilism, which is what the corporation wants him 1896 02:19:56.120 --> 02:19:58.879 to preach anyway, to demoralize the public. What a great image of mass 1897 02:20:00.079 --> 02:20:07.440 media, and then we find the absurdity of mass PSI op T E R 1898 02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:13.879 R O R events presaged in this televised assassination of Howard Beale himself, so 1899 02:20:15.000 --> 02:20:18.559 he becomes the blood atonement that Jensen said he would be, and we get 1900 02:20:18.559 --> 02:20:24.639 again, I think presaging predicting of the types of mass trauma, future shocked, 1901 02:20:24.799 --> 02:20:31.159 social dissociation, mass dissociation that Tavistock and the deep State wanted to create 1902 02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:37.760 through mass media all along. We get that image in the final almost laughable. 1903 02:20:37.959 --> 02:20:41.440 And I'm not saying that to be crude, but this is a satirical 1904 02:20:41.559 --> 02:20:48.120 film, and his assassination is supposed to be comical because they show us a 1905 02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:54.920 bunch of screens running the Mikey likes it eating Life Cereal as they run the 1906 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:58.079 assassinations. In other words, we're supposed to think the product placement is off 1907 02:20:58.159 --> 02:21:03.319 the charts, the rates are off the charts because the mind control created fake 1908 02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:09.479 Ecumenical Liberation Army, which is the pseudo Marxist guy uh you know, outfit 1909 02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:13.920 run by a mind control sort of uh tupac character, as bees Litten Andlzer 1910 02:21:15.000 --> 02:21:18.200 said, he's it's a stage thing. They control. I mean it's they 1911 02:21:18.239 --> 02:21:24.600 really do kill him, but they're essentially mkultre puppet assassins um and they serve 1912 02:21:24.680 --> 02:21:31.120 their purpose to have a televised mass assassination UM on purpose and it was all 1913 02:21:31.200 --> 02:21:37.559 planned by the you know, high level super super elite. So mass trauma 1914 02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:41.440 through mass media m chulture on full display at the end. Yeah, the 1915 02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:46.360 way that um that it's staged with the ass the assassination is so quick. 1916 02:21:46.840 --> 02:21:50.000 It's such a start. You know, he comes out like he's gonna come 1917 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:54.200 out every week, and um, he sort of raises his hands and then 1918 02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:58.840 the great you know, uh mustaph amand's Tod and Tim Robins stand up and 1919 02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:03.319 they off him. And then it goes straight to you know, buy the 1920 02:22:03.399 --> 02:22:07.079 Funko pop version of Howard Beale in stores now and then and then that's it. 1921 02:22:07.200 --> 02:22:11.479 And then we have a brief voiceover. And what's interesting is that the 1922 02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:16.040 last line of the film is the voiceover says, this was the story of 1923 02:22:16.079 --> 02:22:20.159 Howard Beale, who was the network news anchorman on UBSTV, the first known 1924 02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:24.079 instance of a man being killed because he had lousy ratings, which is supposed 1925 02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:28.639 to tie this up in a comedic sense. That it was satire, but 1926 02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:31.799 again, like we said, it becomes met It not only becomes a meta 1927 02:22:33.159 --> 02:22:37.159 meta satire, but it also does this weird thing where it unites comedy and 1928 02:22:37.239 --> 02:22:43.239 tragedy in a way where it's ambiguous, because because in the tragedy the character 1929 02:22:43.399 --> 02:22:46.920 falls from a high to a low position right into death or exile. He's 1930 02:22:46.920 --> 02:22:50.200 about to be exiled at the beginning of the film, but instead he makes 1931 02:22:50.239 --> 02:22:54.840 his way through the thing and then he dies. Um. It also mimics 1932 02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:56.639 the way that with the two guys are talking on the street and then it 1933 02:22:56.680 --> 02:23:00.799 cuts to him with his head down saying that he's going off himself. It's 1934 02:23:00.799 --> 02:23:03.319 a quick cut and we see the same thing he's he comes out, he's 1935 02:23:03.319 --> 02:23:09.239 standing up, he's talking in almost this grunken fool um fashion, and then 1936 02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:13.159 he falls down and we see his head and his head is like a disappearing 1937 02:23:13.319 --> 02:23:16.639 cube on the you know, a square on the screen that sort of fades 1938 02:23:16.680 --> 02:23:22.360 out into the commercials Um. But it also is it also becomes a comedy 1939 02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:26.799 in the sense that the whole thing that they're doing is comedic because it's so 1940 02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:33.079 ridiculous and it's but it's so ridiculous because it's actually happening, because the movie 1941 02:23:33.239 --> 02:23:37.760 is, the movie is prescient, it's revelatory, and it's now. I 1942 02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:41.479 mean, this is media now, and anybody like absolutely, people people have 1943 02:23:41.799 --> 02:23:45.719 you know, people have tried to make you know, heads or tails of 1944 02:23:46.760 --> 02:23:48.879 what's happened in the media recently with the two big figures, um, who 1945 02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:52.600 recently departed their their big places, you know, the news the news figures, 1946 02:23:54.200 --> 02:23:58.440 UM, and you know they've been trying to you know, they have 1947 02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:03.280 various opinions on it. But I think that this movie it is it's not 1948 02:24:03.440 --> 02:24:07.239 direct obviously it doesn't. It's not a commentary on that per se. No, 1949 02:24:07.440 --> 02:24:11.879 that was that was me. That was me getting Tucker fired, right, 1950 02:24:11.479 --> 02:24:16.120 So I made Klaus mad. Klaus is the Jensen character who called Fox 1951 02:24:16.280 --> 02:24:22.200 News and said, get rid of get rid of Tucker. Yeah, you're 1952 02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:24.959 so, you're saying. Your segment was when the guy came on with the 1953 02:24:26.040 --> 02:24:28.680 microphone. He was going, can't right and she said shut it down? 1954 02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:33.440 Right? So no, so UM, So I think that people should should 1955 02:24:33.479 --> 02:24:39.399 watch the film, um, because it's so multilayered, there's so much to 1956 02:24:39.479 --> 02:24:41.559 make from it and UM, like you said, I mean, it's a 1957 02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:45.280 kind of a culmination of of all the work that you've done and UM, 1958 02:24:45.840 --> 02:24:48.520 and I think that people will sort of if they have any sort of insight 1959 02:24:48.719 --> 02:24:52.600 or discernment, they'll be able to understand what the film is saying. And 1960 02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:56.280 and I think that one last thing about it is that, um, the 1961 02:24:56.360 --> 02:25:05.799 guy who wrote the screenplay, he won the he won the best Screenwriting the 1962 02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:07.440 year before this, then he won for this year. He didn't go to 1963 02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:11.600 the ceremony, UM, and then he won. He was nominated again the 1964 02:25:11.680 --> 02:25:16.319 next year, and he sort of vaulted into this position of great screenwriters. 1965 02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:20.239 You can tell because it's just the word by Batchevsky is not you know, 1966 02:25:20.280 --> 02:25:26.319 a screenplay by or a screenplay. And I think that um, that it's 1967 02:25:26.760 --> 02:25:33.559 again it is it's a masterful work. And uh I read an interview with 1968 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:37.120 him where it said, UM, someone asked him like, well, what 1969 02:25:37.440 --> 02:25:41.520 what's your what's your take on your own movie? And this is one thing 1970 02:25:41.559 --> 02:25:45.159 that I talk about on the channel that it's often a mistake to ask the 1971 02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:48.239 author, um what they you know, for an opinion on their own work, 1972 02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:52.200 because oftentimes it's misleading or they don't know. It's like asking Robert Frost 1973 02:25:52.319 --> 02:25:56.200 what he thought of his poems and he would say, look, I don't 1974 02:25:56.239 --> 02:25:58.559 know, I'm just a farmer. Or you asked T. S. Eliott 1975 02:25:58.559 --> 02:26:01.600 and he would just read he wrote in other words, meaning like what I 1976 02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:07.600 wrote is exactly what I meant. And the guy the screenwriter here, how 1977 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.520 did Chievsky? He said, his one takeaway from his own film after it 1978 02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:18.799 was produced and he saw the final performance in the cinema was that he felt 1979 02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:22.479 like there was no resolution because there's nobody to root for. We don't know, 1980 02:26:22.760 --> 02:26:24.399 like we don't know what happens to the characters, and who is the 1981 02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:28.399 viewpoint? Who is this supposed to be directed at? And again I think 1982 02:26:28.440 --> 02:26:31.360 this was a mistake to ask him, because we clearly see who the audience 1983 02:26:31.479 --> 02:26:37.239 is. The audience is is us through the eyes of the television audience. 1984 02:26:37.600 --> 02:26:41.840 And there's no resolution because it's a purposeful non resolution. The resolution is exactly 1985 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:46.920 what the power structure wanted to be, the resolution, which is a sort 1986 02:26:46.959 --> 02:26:50.360 of seeming chaos, but his order in their sense, So right, that's 1987 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:54.159 about yeah, well said, all right, let's go to super chats. 1988 02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:58.479 Hirsh ten dollars, says, big dog, and then he says the dollar 1989 02:26:58.479 --> 02:27:01.600 and says, I mean to put a question mark. No problem, dude, 1990 02:27:03.319 --> 02:27:07.319 s l I d A three D ninety nine d F fifteen eight nine 1991 02:27:07.520 --> 02:27:09.639 three nine three one three dollars. This is off topic, but can you 1992 02:27:09.719 --> 02:27:15.079 comment on Baudelaires to the reader? I think Father Saraf from Rose called him 1993 02:27:15.159 --> 02:27:18.360 a prophet of the prince of darkness at the beginning of the book on Nihilism. 1994 02:27:18.159 --> 02:27:22.360 Um. I read somewhere that he was into Satanism. I don't know 1995 02:27:22.479 --> 02:27:26.159 how serious he was about that, but I don't remember why. Father Sera 1996 02:27:26.200 --> 02:27:31.319 from Rose said that. Do you have any comments on Baudelaire BLA, Yeah. 1997 02:27:31.399 --> 02:27:35.680 The symbolist, the French symbolist movement is um has a lot of satanic 1998 02:27:35.760 --> 02:27:41.360 overtones, and um, the Flowers of Evil is especially one. You know, 1999 02:27:41.799 --> 02:27:43.879 one of those. Um, I would you know, go back and 2000 02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:46.559 read for yourself, Go back and um. You know, people, go 2001 02:27:46.760 --> 02:27:50.159 go back and read The Flowers of Evil. Go back and read Boulaire, 2002 02:27:50.239 --> 02:27:52.920 you know, not because you want to believe what he's saying, UM, 2003 02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:56.079 but just read the language and read what he says. I think that Rambo 2004 02:27:56.440 --> 02:28:01.440 is a better example of French symbolism that's often under stated, under under La 2005 02:28:01.559 --> 02:28:05.280 bod Lair gets all the name because Bode Lair is responsible for translating po and 2006 02:28:05.399 --> 02:28:07.959 sort of disseminating Poe to the masses, making Poe popular. But people should 2007 02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:11.440 go back and read Rambo. He only wrote two books, one of which 2008 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:15.479 is called Illuminations and the other is called A Season in Hell, and A 2009 02:28:15.559 --> 02:28:20.319 Season in Hell is a sort of a Gnostic gospel of the nineteenth century that's 2010 02:28:20.440 --> 02:28:24.159 also very relevant today. That's how I answer that. Kristen for ten dollars 2011 02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:28.559 says best movie you breakdown ever. Wow. Well that's a high praise. 2012 02:28:30.319 --> 02:28:33.520 Kevin Farrell five dollars. Thank you so much, Kevin and Kristen. Rachel 2013 02:28:33.639 --> 02:28:37.920 five dollars. I really enjoy this combined analysis. This is the best of 2014 02:28:37.120 --> 02:28:39.559 entertainment that you can get. Thank you well, thank you much, Rachel 2015 02:28:39.639 --> 02:28:43.200 muche. I really appreciate that the fool forty dollars Christ has risen. This 2016 02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:50.200 is a great tag team recommend living wait. I recommend having on lookout for 2017 02:28:50.479 --> 02:28:56.520 Charlie for discussion on technocracy. Well, thank you for that recommendation. I'll 2018 02:28:56.559 --> 02:29:01.159 look into who that is. I'm planning to have in ad talked to Patrick 2019 02:29:01.239 --> 02:29:03.879 Wood for him to come on, because he's written three books on technocras four 2020 02:29:05.040 --> 02:29:09.360 books on technocracy. So after we get Patrick wood On, when he starts 2021 02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:11.440 feeling better from his surgery, we'll go for that. When I remind you, 2022 02:29:11.520 --> 02:29:15.360 guys too, to like and share. The algorithm, of course is 2023 02:29:15.399 --> 02:29:20.239 no friend of ours, So become our friend and overpower the algorithm by liking 2024 02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:24.360 and sharing and giving your comments below. What movies and books in literature do 2025 02:29:24.399 --> 02:29:26.520 you want to see me in BLA do down the road? As we said, 2026 02:29:26.559 --> 02:29:31.799 we do plan to do. I think when I finally finish up Confidence 2027 02:29:31.879 --> 02:29:35.680 Man by Melville will do that because that's a great insight into the devil con 2028 02:29:35.840 --> 02:29:39.879 men, and the devil as kind of the ultimate archetype of the con man. 2029 02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:43.840 It's an overlooked Melville novel. Everybody, of course thinks about Moby Dick, 2030 02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:48.440 but Confidence Man is really good too. So we'll be looking at that. 2031 02:29:48.760 --> 02:29:52.399 And I'm sure there's all kinds of other pieces of lit that we could 2032 02:29:52.440 --> 02:29:56.799 do. I've read, you know, Cormac McCarthy is one that can always 2033 02:29:56.840 --> 02:30:00.280 be analyzed. I mean, there's tons of it, though, I've we 2034 02:30:00.360 --> 02:30:03.200 could do Faulkner. Uh, you know, there's a lot of symbolism that 2035 02:30:03.200 --> 02:30:07.200 you can analyze. And Faulkner, Um, I like Flannery O'Connor. We 2036 02:30:07.239 --> 02:30:11.440 haven't really done any Flannery O'Connor breakdowns. I've read all of her short stories, 2037 02:30:11.319 --> 02:30:15.120 but I've not yet read Wise Blood, although I do intend to, 2038 02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:18.559 so um, maybe we could looked to. I mean, her short stories 2039 02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:22.280 are full of symbolism. A lot of them are a little too red pilling 2040 02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:26.920 based for you two. We might have to to save those for something else, 2041 02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:30.319 but uh, that would be fun to do. I mean there's tons 2042 02:30:30.360 --> 02:30:33.319 of lit I mean, you know, we we did recently do you know 2043 02:30:33.440 --> 02:30:39.000 CSLU Space trilogy and tied that into Tolkien and all that. But um, 2044 02:30:39.600 --> 02:30:41.479 yeah, I don't know. Uh, we'll think about it. You guys 2045 02:30:41.600 --> 02:30:46.319 tell me below recommendations for stuff to do anything you want to leave us with 2046 02:30:46.520 --> 02:30:50.760 BLA. Yeah, thank you so much for having me really appreciate it. 2047 02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:54.159 Please everybody go over to my channel, and by the way, during this 2048 02:30:54.799 --> 02:30:58.840 past two k s ups, so please uh subscribe to channel. Yeah we 2049 02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:03.920 got we also just passed this morning one hundred thousand views, so it's big 2050 02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:07.239 time. It's big time, so please go on over there and and and 2051 02:31:07.479 --> 02:31:11.840 like and Sharon subscribe my videos. We just covered Um, I just covered 2052 02:31:11.079 --> 02:31:15.879 Cormac McCarthy's The Cross and we've done five Cormac McCarthy novels. We've done Donde 2053 02:31:15.959 --> 02:31:18.680 Leo, Brett, Easton Ellis. Um, we could cover Ken Keizy one 2054 02:31:18.760 --> 02:31:22.319 flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. People don't really talk about it, but it's 2055 02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:26.959 revelatory for MK ultra. Um. We're gonna keep continuing Shakespearean cannon. Um 2056 02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:31.319 shouts out to Jethro out there, who recommended this movie. And it's been 2057 02:31:31.479 --> 02:31:33.440 uh, you know, trying to trying to get us to do it for 2058 02:31:33.520 --> 02:31:35.360 a while. So UM, that's that's awesome. Glad we finally got to 2059 02:31:35.440 --> 02:31:39.719 it. Thanks again for having me really appreciate you. Have to be back 2060 02:31:39.799 --> 02:31:41.879 and see you soon. Thanks everybody. Yeah, and then we got another 2061 02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:46.200 super chat here at the end. Um cost you ten dollars. There could 2062 02:31:46.200 --> 02:31:52.479 be intelligence connections to uh Shayevsky. So the screenplay writer the father served twenty 2063 02:31:52.520 --> 02:31:58.280 five years and pre Soviet Russian army and study Chefsky study language for US army 2064 02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:03.239 and wav ford them. Yeah, that sounds like intelligence. Maybe this person 2065 02:32:03.319 --> 02:32:05.760 didn't like what they saw could be. Yeah, thank you for that. 2066 02:32:05.920 --> 02:32:11.840 And also to the people in the chat saying do Rollerball in Death Race, 2067 02:32:11.000 --> 02:32:13.399 yeah, that would actually be fun to do. We might have to throw 2068 02:32:13.440 --> 02:32:18.360 in a couple more dystopian movies on top of that that are kind of similar, 2069 02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:22.280 like Running Men. All of those would kind of be they would fit 2070 02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:26.440 well together. But for those that are curious, Jamie and I are gonna 2071 02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:30.159 next up, we got some good movie podcast coming. We're gonna be doing 2072 02:32:31.159 --> 02:32:39.040 Tom Coomb's Mission Coomb Possible, the entire series. So I did old videos 2073 02:32:39.200 --> 02:32:43.360 when Mission Possibles would come out, like They'll Fallout or Ghost Protocol. I 2074 02:32:43.440 --> 02:32:48.319 think I did videos on those back in the day. Rogue Nation wrote analysis 2075 02:32:48.399 --> 02:32:50.280 of that. But Jamie and I thought I'd better to just do all of 2076 02:32:50.360 --> 02:32:56.159 the Mission Impossibles in one podcast because the new Mission Possibles coming out. We'll 2077 02:32:56.239 --> 02:33:01.479 also have I'm gonna do a cathulu Fire Movies stream, so that'll be about 2078 02:33:01.559 --> 02:33:07.479 six or seven or eight Cathulonic movies that will fit well together based on Lovecraft 2079 02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:13.200 themes and m let's see what else are we We just did our Mel Gibson 2080 02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:16.920 stream, and I think we're gonna do a John Depp stream, so we're 2081 02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:22.120 gonna do some Johnny Depp movies that we've never covered. Um So anyway, 2082 02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:26.200 Yeah, I look for a lot of good film podcasts to come in the 2083 02:33:26.239 --> 02:33:30.440 near future. Thank you, bla great, great chat today. Thank you all appreciate