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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority, presenting evidence and the
latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's

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your host, Alejandro Roja, Emma
football player, which is soccer for those

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of you who don't know that.
The rest of the world called soccer football

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because they all have weird accents like
that football. All right, thank you

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for joining the show. This is
Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority,

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and we have another incredible show.
Good lord, people, is this

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good stuff? Today? We have
David Eckhart and I don't know that I

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haven't really I've seen him out there
that much. And this is a guy

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because I know a lot of you
are fans of although a lot of you

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don't like the show too because they
kind of you guys are like they're debunking

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stuff. Man. But Factor Fake, our good buddy Ben Hanson, who's

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been on the show, we talked
to him once in a while, actually

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went on this investigation. Ben Hanson
being the lead investigator for Factor Fake.

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Although my favorite is Jaiel. I
think she's gorgeous. She is so pretty.

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But David Eckart was a guy who
said he had a lot of weird

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stuff going on. In fact,
he had gotten some pictures in video that

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the crew found interesting. So they
went out there and they investigated his case,

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and although they felt they could probably
reproduce his videos and pictures, they

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felt that he was such a genuine
person that he was probably telling the truth.

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They also did an investigation where their
equipment had electric problems, which was

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kind of weird. And he also
talked about David worms coming up out of

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the ground in mass and they kind
of experienced that themselves when they were doing

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the investigation. They show this big
load of worms, which is kind of

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gross because worms are icky, so
it's kind of cool. And they didn't

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get a whole lot into a story
because they were investigating. So that's what

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we're doing for you. We're going
to fill in all those gaps and let

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you know what this guy's about when
this all started, this phenomenon for David,

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what he's experiencing, and they kind
of alluded to it but did not

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give any details. How this gentleman
feels he is communicating with these creatures that

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are interacting with him in very strange
and odd ways. And then you might

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have seen notice on one of the
videos they didn't get into this either.

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There's lots of strobing and lights and
craziness going on. They didn't explain why

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he does that. He explained,
he's going to explain to us what's going

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on here. So this is going
to be a very interesting show, this

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David Eckhart and the weird stuff happening
to this. Gentleman, Well, you

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can decide for yourselves if you buy
it or not. But either way,

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you know, if you haven't seen
The Factor Fake, go check it out.

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It's really good because the first half
has a lot of jail and then

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the second half has David Eckhart,
so it's it's good viewing. We also

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want to thank the Arizona UFO Signings
Group for having Michael and Antonio out at

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their event this last weekend. For
those of you who are brave enough to

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ditch your moms then go out to
Kingman, Arizona to go see them talk.

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Actually you could could have gone and
seen Michael and Antonio, then drove

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and driven home or flowing home and
then seen your mom and flight back.

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For I think I had some events
going on today. I think it actually

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ends today. They have stuff going
on there, but Arizona UFO Signings dot

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Com was the event and thanks for
having them out. They had a good

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time. Also coming up a couple
other things. You're going to be able

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to see Open Minds personnel at Roswell
July First through the Forest, another anniversary

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of the Roswell event. Every year
the city has a festival where they have

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a parade and they have speakers.
There's a famous museum there and that's where

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we're going to have a table this
year. This is our first year in

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the museum at a table and at
the timing. It's perfect because a couple

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of the contributors to this magazine were
Stanton Friedman and Don Schmidt, who will

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also be at the Roswell Museum.
So come to Roswell, pick up a

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magazine from us, go get it
signed by Don and Stanton, and then

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you can get a group picture of
me and Antonio and Don and Stanton and

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we'll do a straight picture and we'll
even do funny face pictures for y'all.

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Put like rabbit ears behind stan Friedman's
head and it'll be a lot of fun.

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So come see us in Roswell UFO
Festival roswell dot Com is the website

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there, but you could just put
Roswell in New Mexico and you're gonna find

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it because it's the city's event and
they got a lot going on, so

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that's gonna be a lot of fun. And then also later that month will

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be moufon the Mutual UFO network.
And we're talking a little bit earlier.

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I've always called it moufon. Of
course I was uh on their one of

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their directors. I forget what kind
of director they called it, but anyway,

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I've been part of moufon for a
long time. But somebody was saying

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that, some people, I think
it was even Jason said he heard people

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calling it mwfon. I hadn't heard
at mew fonphon Mew Mew like the land

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of Mew. There's like a famous
legend of some possible type of place called

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Mew, so maybe that's what it
is. I don't know what this new

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stuff comes from. I think it's
probably just someone with a weird accent.

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It's probably the same people who call
soccer football, so move on. Anyway.

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They have a symposium every year.
This year it's going to be in

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Irvine, California, July twenty ninth
through the thirty first, you can go

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to moufon dot com and we're gonna
have a table there, so again you

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can come see us, hang out, shake our hands. And I know

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Stanton's going to be there, but
some of our other contributors are be there.

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So otherwise, Antonio will sign your
magazine for your a. Jason will

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sign it. He's a regular contributor. And Maureene is writing something at some

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point right I think about the next
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can maybe she'll be there and sign
that too. So it's going to be

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a lot of fun. Come see
us as all these cool places this summer.

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Speaking of Maureene, she has an
exciting what do you call it?

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Prize thing contest contest. That's the
wird I'm looking for. She has an

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exciting contest going on right now.
She just put up and that is win

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an Open Minds UFO prize pack.
So this is really cool. You can

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win a year's subscription to the magazine, an Open Minds Investigates DVD, an

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Open Minds coffee mug. These things
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right now, I have Starbucks.
Sorry, and then also a signed legacy

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of UFO case files poster by Michael
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well, if you've seen our web
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today with the UFO case Files rebuilt
where Michael does pictures of UFOs from witness

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testimony. We made a poster with
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thing, retweet that and then also
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of you are saying, well,
I have Facebook, but I don't have

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Twitter. We'll get with it.
Go call your grandma and ask her how

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to get on Twitter, because she's
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what you're doing. You need to
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free, it's easy, and we
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that go out all the time.
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help you be online a social networking
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have a chance to win this incredible
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She's great, guys. So that's
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So go check all this out,
and as usual on the website, you

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can check out the news because we
keep up with the latest and greatest UFO

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news headlined and we have the greatest
and latest UFO news correspondent Jason McClellan here

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with us to tell us all about
what's been going down. Hello Alejandro,

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thank you sir, and greetings everyone. This is your Open Mind's newsbree for

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Monday, May ninth, twenty eleven. We'll start out with a sort of

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odd story from last week. A
video was published to the internet last Monday,

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allegedly depicting an extraterrestrial who was supposedly
recovered following a UFO crash, and

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these two sources claims to have received
the video from an anonymous source, along

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with the promise of six more videos
still to come. The website allnewsweb dot

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com posted the video to their website
and YouTube channel, with an accompanying story

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suggesting that the extra rust trial in
the video could possibly be a survivor of

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the Roswell UFO crash. The Alien
Disclosure Group also claims to have received the

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video from an anonymous source, and
they too posted it to their YouTube channel

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and their Facebook page. And you
and I did some digging into this,

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Alejandro trying to get some more information
about the video that was posted, and

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Grant Cameron from PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com also
did some digging. And there's lots of

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strange things going on with this video. I mean, first of all,

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from a technical standpoint, there are
odd things. I mean, this video

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is a very it's it's given the
appearance of being very old from the time

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of the forties fifties, so it's
got all sorts of film grain and scratches

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and things in it, and it's
got this strange projector clicking noise or something,

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and this all seems to be very
artificial, but were added as a

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special effect. The origin of the
video is very strange. We were able

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to track it down and find out
that while on these web and these other

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sites claimed the video, well,
they put it up on Monday, we

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actually found somebody who put it up
on Sunday, the day before, and

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that mysterious person since then has put
up a video. I think it just

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went up today, a third video
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showing a UFO and a UFO recovery. And this third video went up today

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in response to articles that we have
written, that Grant Cameron and others have

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written pointing out all the flaws and
problems with these mysterious videos. And the

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video today was very strange, kind
of has a message addressing people saying to

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all of you who are questioning the
video, you're wrong. None of you

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are right. Yeah, and the
broken English on this thing. So who

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knows where it's from? Of course, like you said, it's kind of

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purporting to be from KGB Russian film, although well it was all news Web

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said it was his source, said
Roswell, So that doesn't make sense.

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But yeah, there's Paul Robinson helped
investigate this with us. But this first

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source, the one who put up
the video today, seems to be the

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real source. And I thought what
was interesting is they put up a video

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with the UFO and the crash UFO
and the dead alien like in mid April,

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right, and nobody paid attention.
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puppet or model or whatever that might
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like the second video does, which
is more interesting in the blinking of the

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eyes of this alien and stuff like
that. But still it seems like that

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nobody paid attention to their first video, so they went and publicized the second

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one a little more centered around to
some popular sites and all these web is

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pretty popular, especially for posting anything
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the chicken and bread although all news
websites it wasn't chicken and bread, that

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it was an alien and that we're
trying to be tricked here, so right,

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the chicken and bread story was the
cover story. I've in zero three

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zero one, zero one three five, zero one three five, I've been

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zero one three five just for people
who are wondering, you know, where

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the video is on YouTube if that
was the original poster. So far that

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we've been able to determine, and
we've talked about this before. This YouTube

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site was created just for these videos, which is always a red flag,

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right, But you can go to
our website open mindsot tv and read the

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article that has the details that we
were able to dig up and some of

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the things we point out about these
videos. And my thought is still that

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this is going to turn out to
be some sort of viral marketing campaign for

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an upcoming movie or video game or
something like that. A lot of people

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are suggesting Super eight, but I
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at this point because if you look
at the viral things, typically when they

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come out, you know they're viral
because just today, for instance, a

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Green Land and viral videos came up, or a viral websites. And the

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other is that even if they don't
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and you make a good point.
I mean, even Super eight they are

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doing a huge viral thing right now, but they have their own separate site

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created for it. It's like Super
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where they're putting these simulated old video
clips up. Did you see the Lantern

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one too? That was a website
put up that where these people are claiming

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to be an amateur astronomy type of
group that believes in aliens and they're looking

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for extraterrestrials. But there's ads and
stuff and they tell you. Even from

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the Green Lantern website, check out
our viral blox, so you know that

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it's all viral and everything, although
it seems real, you know, with

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the characters and stuff. So this
point, just because it's been so long,

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I'm not so sure it's viral anymore. It's a good point. So

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it might be just like we've seen
it before, this hoaxing stuff. Although

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foreign viral the Spanish viral video that
came out a couple of years ago where

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it was a UFO and splash,
it turned out to be part of a

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TV show. It took them some
time to reveal until they had a making

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up television show to reveal that that
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this is Russian or something, maybe
we won't know for a while. Lots

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of mystery around it. But yeah, because you really miss out on your

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marketing if you don't tell people quickly. Because right now they've got all these

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people watching it. They tell me, oh, this is our viral video,

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and then everybody's going to go to
their website to look out what the

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marketing is. However, if history
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in another month, the mainstream media
will pick up on it and blust it

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out as major news, breaking news
that just happened. Yeah, we'll see,

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we'll see. In other news,
a new study suggests that Saturn's moon

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Titan may have a huge ocean of
liquid water beneath its surface. The data

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behind the study was provided by NASA's
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the first to suggest that an underground
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space dot Com points out, it
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this supposition, which could make an
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to support life as we know it. Rose Marie Balland of the Royal Observatory

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of Belgium and Brussels is the lead
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found that Titan's tilt and movement of
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is completely solid, but that the
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an underground ocean. Ballot and her
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launch their research, which led the
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sense if the Moon is assumed to
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water ocean, which itself fits beneath
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week about how Titan is possibly one
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posted one today too. I think
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of the next missions too. And
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they found a lake of liquid methane
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in two thousand and eight. That's
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How incredible would that be? An
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Really, I do. It's an
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Denver held its mayoral election last week, and I'm sad to report that our

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friend Jeff Packman did not win the
election. Although Peckman made lots of headlines,

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he was only able to secure zero
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and that's just shy of eight hundred
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he didn't come in last. Candidate
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few more than five hundred votes,
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that's a small victory there for him. As you may remember, Pekman gained

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national media attention last year with his
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create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission, and
that initiative did not pass, so Pegman

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struck out again. But I have
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So yeah, it was kind of
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call to talk to him about it. I was like, I know,

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you're probably busy today because the news
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he swamped with media and stuff like
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I've only got a couple of minutes
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go pick her up from the store. And I was like, okay,

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well, and I didn't have too
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know, ever the positive guy.
Yeah, and looking forward to the connections

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he made because he really, because
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lot of friends with the other candidates
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involved with the whole process and with
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really nice to him. You can
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and there was a lot of fun
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were pretty nice to him. That's
good. That's good. He is a

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nice guy. Yeah, So we
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with that, whatever that might be. Yeah, well you'll know that,

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you'll hear it first here. I
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spill anything to you. Is he
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he didn't spill anything. Well,
keep me in the loop, yep.

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Well, I'm going to skip a
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keep up with me here. But
MSNBC posted an article last week trying to

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poke holes and claims made by a
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is known for his night vision videos
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shooting lasers at each other battling it
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UFO investigator with the Committee for Skeptical
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they're seeing are birds or bats or
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suggests that Grimsly doesn't understand how night
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he's seeing. And I've seen Grimsly's
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of Ed Grimsley's night hunts or night
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strange things that you see through these
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and even some of the attempts that
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what Grimsley says. I don't know
if they're I doubt their UFO is battling

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it out, but you can definitely
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the sky. And yeah, you
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but these other objects will be moving
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directions very rapidly and shoot off another
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the sky and they'll they'll interact with
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look at this story that we posted, people uh with their The video that

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MSNBC put up with Grimsly's story is
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really cool things. You see this
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turns around and goes back the other
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I don't I could unfortunate that Grimsly
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right because there's no evidence of that
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even though he feels that way,
and he feels maybe he's seen some

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stuff to relate that, but these
videos don't demonstrate that. But they certainly

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demonstrate more than birds and stuff.
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they got a total skeptic who's just
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there, right, because the video
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he could call those things birds and
stuff. They showed a great video with

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him, and he also goes into
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doesn't know how the technology works,
and he cites artifacts and things that are

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created by night vision, because night
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from other stories. We know that, but he knows that you see these

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lights moving through the sky and changing
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Artifacts in night vision you've seen you
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in and out, but these are
like lights turning on and off and you

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know, maybe kind of slight movement
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is flying across the screen and then
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I've been on one of these sky
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has our colleague Maureene, and we
both with these night vision goggles, saw

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many weird things. And we've seen
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and we've watched a lot of video
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goggles, you see some weird stuff. Yeah, it's interesting. It's not

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only Grimsley, of course, other
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about the California I think it was
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and then the Sun reposted it and
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it wasn't. It was actually in
California. But still, that's a great

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big video with lights that are in
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There's a lot of really good night
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with night vision videos and I've seen
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sure. I saw something I couldn't
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But night vision is a way to
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the sky with some night vision.
You'll see service see something, Yeah,

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for sure. And right now it's
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night vision to a camera to videotape, and it makes it even harder than

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looking through the scope. But people
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doing that. Yeah, you're right, night vision is a way to go.

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You'll see some interesting things. This
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I think he needs to go on
a night SkyWatch. I think they're both

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wrong. I don't think that we
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the other side, I don't think
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Well said my friends, And in
our last story for today, a

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seventy year old Chinese man sold many
of his possessions in order to fund the

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creation of a UFO landing and greeting
site, complete with cottages that will serve

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as hotel rooms for visiting extraterrestrials.
He's apparently looking for partners to help with

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his operating costs because suppose it,
this thing is on a huge field and

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he's got like observation towers to watch
this guy and he does this. He

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this guy is an engineer and he's
the founder and chairman of the Delian UFO

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Research Society. Was established in nineteen
eighty four, and the society apparently has

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four hundred members. Yeah, it's
funny that the quote by his wife that

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they used to have four apartments and
he sold three of them to make them

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and now they live in a tiny
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know that it makes him happy.
What can I say exactly, Well,

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that's great. This guy's really excited. Apparently they've they've been operating this this

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place for two years now, and
it's very expensive. And that's why he's

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looking for people to help run this
thing, because he does out there and

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watch the guys and they're waiting for
UFOs to come. Maybe I'll go join

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the team at one point. I
like that on Twitter and Facebook from there,

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it would work. That'd be your
UFO lookout. We could do the

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radio show from the tower. Yeah, that'd be awesome, excellent. Well,

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all a hunter. That is it
for the news. Remember to check

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out these stories and more at openminds
dot tv, your source for U full

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related news. I'm Jason McClellan,
your Open Minds correspondent, and you've been

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briefed back to you, Alejandro.
All right, thank you, Jason.

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Wonderful news as usual, Just some
incredible stuff going on out there, and

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it's a lot of fun. I
mean, you got to keep up to

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date on everything going on because there's
so much going on. Oh. Somebody

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in the chat made a good point
to use night vision in the day too,

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because I'll bet you you can't see
some stuff up in the sky in

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the day. That's a good point, my friend. The other thing the

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Shaffer guy said that I remember is
that he said you can't see anything and

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night vision that you couldn't see with
binoculars, and anybody who's looked at the

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nights with binoculars and then with night
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Mister Shaeffer, you should be ashamed
some of the other stories going on

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on Open Mindset TV. I mentioned
earlier that we have more UFO case files,

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revealed the Michael schrat stuff that he
puts up there, the pictures of

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UFO sightings that have happened in the
past. So we go through all of

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these great UFO sidings and then recreates
them, and that's part of that poster.

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You can win by tweeting and facebooking
our message that you can see up

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there on a Facebook and Twitter.
So also, I kind of had an

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interesting encounter earlier this week with some
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you know, I am shocked.
You've heard me on the show when we've

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talked about the Phoenix lights before,
and I've talked about how that ten o'clock

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sighting, you know, the last
one. A lot of the UFO researchers

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say that those were flares, and
I'm like, hey, I live halfway

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between Maricopa and Goldwater Range. There's
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house they couldn't see them in Phoenix. I have found myself to be dead

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wrong. I saw flares, and
maybe they were doing this because of you

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know, practicing just in case something
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there were flares for a couple evenings, and I got some pictures and videos

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and I put those up, and
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high that actually it does seem as
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Phoenix. I'm not saying certainly not
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as ten o'clock. Because you know, what some people think is that,

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you know, people had these UFO
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thousands of witnesses, and so what
the military did was drop some flares

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at ten o'clock so that they could
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jokers just saw flares. So and
I always thought there's no way there were

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there were flares, But maybe those
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admitting that I could have been wrong. You know what, you gotta follow

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the evidence. I don't know for
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it's possible, and that's something to
think about, I think. Anyways,

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you can see the videos and the
pictures up at our website website, if

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you want to take a look for
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o'clock lights, you know, go
check this out and see if maybe this

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is similar to what you saw and
let me know. And if you think

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you saw something totally different, then
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All right, guys, what I
need you to do now is prepare

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for this great interview with David Eckhart. This is gonna be a lot of

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fun because he's just certainly this is
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like I said, Factor Fake walked
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the truth. So let's listen to
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all right, well, thanks for
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you, especially after watching the Factor
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question would be when did these experiences
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out in Florida? And you know, I had I had my first experience.

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I was about maybe nineteen years old, out in the woods with some

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friends and it resulted in chasing one
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it was that I was chasing,
and well it started out that we was.

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a friend I mentioned his name,
but he was showing me and my other

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buddy around and he took us out
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this, you know, the woods, and we ended up stopping the car

405
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.319
and I was sitting in the back
seat and I seen this light go down

406
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.000
behind the trees and uh and uh, I always just joking, I was.

407
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.039
I said, look, guys,
the UFO. I was just joking,

408
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.039
and it looked like it was strange, but uh, but it was

409
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.640
like over the top of the pine
trees and uh. When we all looked

410
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.480
at it, and it just kind
of disappeared. But my buddy said,

411
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.359
you know, there's a pond over
here. Let's go build a fire by

412
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.440
the pond and enjoy it. And
so as we was got out of the

413
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.920
car and we was following him through
the woods, Uh, I noticed there

414
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.880
was a light to the woods and
uh, but it was off in the

415
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:41.799
distance and it looked like maybe a
flashlight or something like that, and uh,

416
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.480
and I kept asking him. He
said, Oh, there's people that

417
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.440
come out here, you know all
the time. It is probably to somebody.

418
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.440
And as we got closer and closer
to the pond, they kept moving

419
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.200
in a little closer to us,
but it was showing up in different spots

420
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.960
and uh and then uh to get
over and uh, which are gathering would

421
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:07.799
to God a fire. And it
kept getting closer and closer to us.

422
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.000
And then I'm thinking, and you
know, there's whoever it is, that

423
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.759
they're not too far away. But
uh and I ended up losing sight of

424
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.440
it. And then me mother,
buddy Bob, we were sitting there talking

425
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.480
and uh, and all of a
sudden I seen this thing. It came

426
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.559
over the pond and it flashed and
uh, it dropped down in one right

427
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.039
by my ear. I could hear
the swishing sound of it. One to

428
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:39.319
find my buddy's face and uh and
and uh he fell back down on the

429
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.480
ground. It can't suppose I could
have called it my right hand. Well,

430
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.319
how big was it was by the
side of the softball, maybe a

431
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:54.039
little bit bigger. But uh,
it had like a little red light to

432
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.960
it, and I had two white
lights that would light up. It almost

433
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:04.000
looked like a i'll miniature face or
something. Wow, But uh, but

434
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.240
it wasn't. It wasn't illuminating like
it was a light light, but it

435
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:12.920
was it was like it was glowing, but it would pulsate as it would

436
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.160
move around. And uh it went
straight back up to the top of the

437
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.640
trees and flash long the time it
took off, and I'm like, wow,

438
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.480
see that, said, yeah,
what was that? I don't know?

439
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:29.200
And uh and and that got my
curiosity as that was weird, you

440
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.720
know. But my my other body
that was he was gathering wood at the

441
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.799
time. He didn't see it.
And uh so going back togethering wood and

442
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.440
I was sitting and looking around for
it the whole time, and all the

443
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.839
time I seen it moving through the
trees, and I told the guys,

444
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.119
you know that there it is.
So I took off running through the woods.

445
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.880
All had on was part tennishes in
the jeans, and I was burrowing

446
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.720
through briers and everything else, chasing
interesting to the woods, and and it

447
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.319
was throwing in and out of the
trees. You know. It's like I

448
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.720
was thinking to me it was remote
control or something, but I couldn't make

449
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.199
out what it was. But then
I lost sight of it, and I

450
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.400
stopped and I was looking around and
it was right above my head and it

451
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.880
flashed in the eyes like that somebody
was taking your picture. You know,

452
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:22.199
everything gets blacked out for a second, and then it took off and I

453
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.440
wasn't chased. I went to chase
it for fifteen or twenty minutes like that,

454
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.280
and uh, I finally went into
the water. And then my buddies

455
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.000
came out with Chase out behind me, and he said what was And I'm

456
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.800
trying to explain to him what it
looked like. And I had another friend,

457
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.159
you know, the the guy that
was with us. He said,

458
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.880
let's just go, let's just leave. And uh, it's the first time

459
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.000
I've been in these woods, so
he says he wanted to get back to

460
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.360
his car and let's just leave.
Well, anyways, we ended up it

461
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.880
was like on the other side of
the pond at this time, and uh

462
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.960
we was trying to find this car
that we barked out in the woods and

463
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:07.440
and uh, I got the best
look at this orb or ball or whatever

464
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.480
you want to call it. And
uh, and those guys are walking behind

465
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.559
me and they was trying to figure
out where they parked the car. But

466
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.679
I was involved in talking about this
ball of light. And now of a

467
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:23.599
sudden, Uh I looked up and
there was this guy standing about maybe thirty

468
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:30.039
feet away from me, and uh
and he stood still as soon as he

469
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.800
seeing me and I seen him,
made eye contact and anounced no, staring

470
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.480
really hard because you know, it
was kind of dark, and uh,

471
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:44.599
I couldn't tell if it was an
owl or a deer and then or somebody

472
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.719
had a mask on and then uh
so, I yelled and it took off

473
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.679
running. So I went chasing after
this guy, and uh I caught up

474
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:59.280
to him real quick. I could
clearly outrun him wind uh so, but

475
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.519
I had a whole self back from
running behind him because I didn't know what

476
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.559
he was. I didn't want to
touch him, but he was and he

477
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.360
was running. Look, he wasn't
like bending at the knees. He was

478
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.360
like running on his toes, like
he was really light, and you could

479
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.360
smell him with the breeze breaking off
of him. What didn't look like then

480
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.440
when he got close to it,
when I was looking at the back of

481
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.960
his head and I was chasing right
after him, he reminded me of one

482
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:29.519
of these little kid that had that
old big you know, accelerated old man's

483
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:35.360
disease, And that's what it reminded
me of but but I noticed the skin

484
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.000
was like a grayish color, you
know. It was like you know,

485
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.119
you could sort of like patchy and
look like it was maybe veins, but

486
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.719
now that's for sure. I was
just kind of like, you know,

487
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.280
holding myself back when I'm running,
you know, right behind him. I

488
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.760
could have tackled him, but I
couldn't very much thought to do it because

489
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.400
I didn't know exactly what it was. It was like, you know,

490
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.400
like touching a spider. You don't
know. I was like, I was

491
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:04.159
holding my back the whole time,
and uh, and it's in there thinking,

492
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.920
I mean, and I think,
you know, I'm just scaring this

493
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.199
thing, you know. And uh
so I started going a little bit slower

494
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.559
and it kept on going and it
cut a round around his bush and my

495
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:19.239
buddy, Bob, he cut up
right behind me, and uh he said,

496
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.960
which which way to go? And
I said, go run the bush

497
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.960
that way and uh and we met
up and it was gone. And uh,

498
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.119
knowing everything I know now, uh
that these guys have a cloaking ability.

499
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.239
Uh, he was probably still there
and we didn't even know it.

500
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.159
Did your buddy see that little guy
at all? Yeah? He saw him,

501
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.280
but he didn't make out as well
as I did, because I mean

502
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.400
I was right up on him and
those guys were probably about thirty feet behind

503
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.800
me, and this guy was thirty
feet in front of me. The entity

504
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.320
or whatever you want to call him. But that was the first time I've

505
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.239
seen anything like that, and uh, well, we ended up finding the

506
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.559
car, went back to town,
and I made the mistake of doelling,

507
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:07.679
hey, we think we saw an
alien and they're not green, you know,

508
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.800
and and they're like, oh,
come on, Dave, you know

509
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:21.599
it's like but true stories. Uhhw
what was this? It was eighty Yeah,

510
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.679
it might be eighty nine or yeah, might have been nineteen eighty nine.

511
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.719
I don't quote. You know,
there's a lot of things that's happened

512
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.840
between that time. But but my
buddy wrote down the story as soon as

513
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.000
we got back. You know,
we thought it was really cool that we've

514
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.199
seen something like that. But no, I didn't see the crack, but

515
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.079
I did see an orb but and
we did see the light above the trees.

516
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.679
We didn't know what it was.
And then you run into this guy.

517
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.639
Are you still friends with that buddy
who saw that entity? Also?

518
00:38:54.199 --> 00:39:00.519
Yes, does he is he willing
to talk about that night with you sometimes

519
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.360
or does he kind of just because
sometimes No, people just don't want to

520
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.800
talk about that kind of thing.
No, we talked about for years.

521
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.519
It was almost twelve years went by. I mean for about two weeks at

522
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.840
that instant. I had dreams like
like that whole scenario over and over and

523
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.159
over again every single night about two
weeks. But us, Yeah, we

524
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.920
talked about it several times after that. I think they kind of held us

525
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.400
together because we experienced it together.
And you know, he has the family

526
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.239
now and he lives out of the
state. I think he's in New York.

527
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.440
I talked to him about a year
ago, and yeah, he would

528
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:44.320
he'd be willing to talk about it
because he's the one who wrote it down

529
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.400
on paper. I had the original
chet a notebook paper he wrote on it

530
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:53.400
with the days and everything that was
actually I gave the lines stricklers down,

531
00:39:53.599 --> 00:40:00.280
paintings and monsters and he posted it. But sold you say that stores you've

532
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:07.960
also been, uh then since then
communicating or getting messages from from these things?

533
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.639
And when did that start? Well? You know, yeah, you

534
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.679
know, not the family and I'm
friends that've been with us. We've seen

535
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:23.679
crafts and and UFOs. You know, I'm not really impressed by I'm gonna

536
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.639
let they're up close. And we
did see one that was up close down

537
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.239
at the Shoreline Park and uh,
golf Breeze. But this thing was two

538
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.440
longest I mean it was wow,
it was big. It covered up the

539
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.079
whole bay and uh, there was
like twenty six witnesses down there. What

540
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:44.199
did that look like? It looks
like a big, big triangle. And

541
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.360
and what happened is, uh,
after we were I dropped a friend off

542
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.679
at his house. They're in golf
Breeze, and I stopped at troll Line

543
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.079
Park to use the restroom. And
as I came out of the recuum,

544
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.840
everybody was screaming and yelling and getting
in the cars and feeling out. I'm

545
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.400
like, what's going on? You
know? And then I looked over towards

546
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.639
say it was just craft there.
I mean, it was the biggest thing

547
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.400
I've ever seen in the sky,
the biggest thing. And I reached my

548
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.559
front one day and rat out the
spinaclar. My wife is still sitting in

549
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:19.000
the front seat, and uh,
and I pulled out the binaclar and I,

550
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.760
uh, I could see details of
this craft, I mean highly detailed,

551
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.880
and there was a big window there
must have been eight foot tall by

552
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:34.639
twelve foot and I cheans which looked
to me like humans walking up to this

553
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:40.079
glass window looking back down on us. Wow. And uh, two lights

554
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:46.639
dropped out of it then took up
to the west and often this this whole

555
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.960
craft vaporized right in front of everybody. You could still see it there.

556
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.360
I could still see it there,
but you can see the stars through it.

557
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.760
And then like the eight minutes forty
four seconds later that they recorded how

558
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.880
some people are down there, it
reappeared and the two lights came from out

559
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.320
of the east and won't write back
up in it in it and it repeated

560
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.480
the same process again, did not
make a single noise. How big would

561
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.199
you estimate this thing? Uh?
While the two miles day, damn,

562
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.159
I know you couldn't. You couldn't
see the stars with the sitting there.

563
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.199
Uh huh. They covered up in
the whole bay across it there and the

564
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.800
people out. Yeah. I think
it was like it was the end of

565
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.519
the world or something. Wow.
And when was this was its? Uh?

566
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.199
I don't remember the day you think
of the nineties or they had to

567
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:51.719
be in the nineties, probably a
lot of signings for a while out there.

568
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.400
Yeah, they had Walter's case and
everything. And by the way,

569
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.039
a lot of people say they like
that, but I've seen three of those

570
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.599
crafts together. And uh, matter
fact, an old guy that actually showed

571
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.199
me a picture he had three of
them in the same pictures, So that

572
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:12.480
that's a really ufo. You see, you see all kinds of strange things

573
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.280
in the sky down here. So
I guess so so and then uh uh

574
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.840
with the communications, when did that
start up? Did it? Was it

575
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:25.039
somewhere around this time? Well?
Uh, I wait, we moved in

576
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.840
this I bought this house on golf
Breeze and uh, not too far from

577
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.559
the woods that I had my first
experience. Uh. I wanted the kids

578
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.519
to grow up and no play in
the woods, so I did when I

579
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.920
grew up. But it's all I
wanted. Done the experience it too,

580
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:45.280
But thanks. Uh no, okay, I've done got two other houses that

581
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.599
to that. But uh but you
know, just before, years before,

582
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.360
maybe a year before I moved out
of that Golf Breeze house, I remember

583
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.360
I was in the kitchen and now
my wife was cooking supper and at one

584
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.320
deliverum sat down. I've seen this
thing that came out of the kitchen behind

585
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.960
me, and one down the hallway
and went to my bedroom. But it

586
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.159
was transparent. Now I'm thinking,
you know, that's the first time seeing

587
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.639
anything like that. I was just
thinking that maybe I sat down too fast

588
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.880
or something. But it was moving
pretty quick. It looked like I had

589
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:28.079
a bunch of bouncing balls in it. That's the first time I seen that

590
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.960
aspect. But when we moved out
of the house of Golf Breeze to the

591
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.920
golf course in Milton, Florida,
which is only about fifteen or eighteen miles

592
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:45.599
away, we started seeing that stuff
again, but they looked more like operations

593
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.679
or ghosts, and I think in
that factor fake you described it as kind

594
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.519
of like the Predator movie where it
was kind of see through. Is type

595
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.960
of that you can tell something there
exactly, and it wouldn't be just one

596
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:01.800
or two of them. I mean
there would be lots of them moving through

597
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:08.280
and uh yeah, moving to the
house, or one was laying in bed

598
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:14.760
at night the French to start cracking
and popping really loud. Uh that you

599
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:19.239
would hear like a each snow,
like burnt up orn going on. Uh,

600
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.519
and you would feel a temperature change
or a draft, just like you

601
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.679
would think it was poultrygeist. Uh
huh, and uh you know I'm this

602
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.039
time, I'm you know, I
moved in this house and thinking, okay,

603
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:36.000
I you know, you reach a
time in your life where you think

604
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.519
you got everything together and uh,
you know, everything smoothed out, you

605
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.960
know, and then this stuff really
starts happening. And this house is on

606
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.280
a piece of property that was seventeen
acres big, and the houses like right

607
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.239
out in the middle of it was
surrounded by woods, and then they ended

608
00:45:54.320 --> 00:46:00.800
up developing it all around us.
But uh uh, you know, you

609
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.039
know, we hear things at night. I wake up and you hear all

610
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.360
the chanting doors in the kitchen slamming
and crashing and stuff like that, and

611
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:13.280
I run in there, nothing's going
on. Or we would wake up in

612
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.880
the middle of the night and the
room would be lit up like a pink

613
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:21.800
or a blue color teple. Different
times. There was a different color each

614
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.960
time, but you would think it
was morning time and you look out the

615
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.880
windows. It's pitch black. You
know, it's just two thirty in the

616
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.559
morning. And we're like and then
the light would just pumm down. You

617
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.320
couldn't tell where the light was coming
from where you know, it's smell like

618
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:43.119
that burnt popcorn smell. Or or
you'd be laying in bed and you could

619
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:47.679
hear people whispering back and forth,
you could hear music playing in the ounce.

620
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.239
I tore apart the house, look
into the register events and this is

621
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.880
fact. There was a block radio
or something or it's not like maybe somebody

622
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:04.039
was parked outside the house and with
the radio going and it would be music

623
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.280
anywhere from nowadays music to uh maybe
the playing buoyant thirties. You know,

624
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:14.360
uh would you read with the music? Some of the music? I would

625
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.639
like another big music fan. So
but uh, I don't even watch much

626
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.679
TV. I mean I read movies
and put them in but uh yeah,

627
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:32.119
okay, so, but I pretty
much concentrate on work. But things would

628
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.760
was starting to get escalated. You
know, it was my wife is saying,

629
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.639
man, this is weird. Maybe
I'm you know, I don't believe.

630
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.480
I didn't believe in ghosts at this
time. That's maybe the house is

631
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:49.880
haunted. The kids were reacting with
my wife was getting pictures of strange things.

632
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.000
I'm polaroid. You know, like
orts and stuff like that. My

633
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:59.519
daughter was and and then she got
this picture one time that was like a

634
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.960
couple of people was looking in the
window and uh, which really got my

635
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.960
attention because it was on a polaroid
and it was two stories up in the

636
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:12.880
air the window. Whow Okay.
So my friend said, well, I'm

637
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.039
going to get a camera, and
I got a VHS camera and we played

638
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.000
around with that. We started catching
things on that, but uh, it

639
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.960
was always really fuzzy and then it
looked, uh like ghosts and that's all

640
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.519
we got to go to clear it
up, get something better. So I

641
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:34.119
got one of these dotchi uh camera, So it was like an eight hundred

642
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.039
zoom disc. You know, it
was high tech for me. But uh

643
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.920
but uh we saw every boarding and
catching them, so you know, but

644
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.920
it wasn't always that clear. You
know, you could say, well maybe

645
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.920
it was this, maybe it was
that, or maybe it was you know,

646
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.599
the lighting and then uh and then
uh uh I just worked my way

647
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.400
up to doing experiments like said,
the camera up in the bedroom and and

648
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.400
and do what I would get and
that would run this thing every single night

649
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.360
because things were happening over and over
and then I started catching things and then

650
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:16.440
uh and then uh, I think
that the entities that was visiting us,

651
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.119
Oh God, for wherever they come
from. Uh, they started catching onto

652
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.119
that we knew that it was there. And I think they started testing necessarily

653
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.639
like a game of chess. They
would do something, then I would do

654
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:36.239
something back. Uh, and every
experiment that I would use, and some

655
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.519
of the ones that would work within
twenty four hours, I wouldn't be able

656
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:45.320
to re use that same experiment again
that they would improve. Uh. They

657
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:51.920
don't like you know video. But
yeah, have I talked to him?

658
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.199
Sure, we tried talking to him
first. But they don't really talk to

659
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.599
you unless they feel it's necessary or
they're gone again something from it bullying me.

660
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.119
I'm not that special that they're going
to come out and they tell me

661
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:13.559
where they're from, who they are, Well, what kind of Uh then

662
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:19.320
how do they communicate with you?
And what sort of things do they tell

663
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:25.800
you? They've they told me things
about what was going on in my family.

664
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.480
Uh, they told me some teacher
advance. Uh they come true.

665
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.079
Well, I think everything's come true, and the biggest one that that they

666
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:46.679
showed me uh has not happened yet. But it's on its way. Yeah,

667
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.960
I mean it depends what you consider
scary, whether some sort of catastrophe

668
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:58.159
or something. Yeah, you know, we got some time. Now,

669
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.800
we have some time twenty twelve.
You know, I looked at everybody asked

670
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.960
me about that, and it doesn't
sit in So No, I think I

671
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:16.719
think we got possibly maybe my speculation
eighteen years left really just my speculation.

672
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:22.679
Right, there's a lot of things
that will kind of happened between that time

673
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:29.840
too. So now you said that
these things you're hesitant to call them aliens,

674
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.960
and you kind of do, but
you're not sure where they come from.

675
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.920
Well, there's a there's a possibility. I heard somebody talking about the

676
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:46.199
latrinal system and it's not a place
outside our solar system. I think it's

677
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:53.119
a maybe dimensional possible. And and
the way they were talking is like the

678
00:51:53.199 --> 00:52:00.440
government knows about them, so that
they I'm not saying that that's where they're

679
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.840
from, but it would fit into
what I've seen and what was going on,

680
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:13.760
so that that they're possibly dimensional.
But they able to open uh this

681
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:20.039
natural barrier up and be able to
come in to our dimension. It's possible.

682
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.880
Now they do find it amusing that
we call them aliens. They chuckled.

683
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.320
Okay, now does it seem like
they have a sense of humor.

684
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:36.239
You say that you kind of trick
each other back and forth type of things.

685
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.199
Yeah. They I was living in
the house I am now, and

686
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.199
they came and visited me, and
and they was right on time, just

687
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.719
like they said they would be in
month of April. And uh, because

688
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.480
they was coming to check out.
That was last April. They was coming

689
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.159
to check out. Uh, some
stuff that was happening, like the volcano

690
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.719
that erupted to be peaceful that they
told me about. And uh in some

691
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:06.159
flooding in Tennessee, if there was
come and checking out. But uh,

692
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.920
but there was three of them,
the grace that was staying by my doorway.

693
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.480
I'm laying the bed, and uh, there was one of them was

694
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.400
talking to the other one and he
says he called the aliens, and then

695
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.760
they started chuckling. So I had
me bubble open my head. So if

696
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:32.400
they're not aliens, what the heck
are they? So with this communication that

697
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:38.159
happens, is it is it like
people describe a mental thing or are they

698
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:44.119
you can hear them like the music? No, they know what I'm thinking

699
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:49.960
and and I'm guessing that it might
have to do with some kind of implant

700
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.280
that reads you, because they're not
fully correct all the time what I'm thinking,

701
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.840
but I think that they can read
it in such a way that they

702
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.159
can pretty much get it good,
you know, speculation of what you're thinking.

703
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.280
Uh. Some of them seem to
be telepathic, but I don't know

704
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:14.000
if it's because they all have implanting
them and that they communicate with each other

705
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:21.119
that way, or or or what. But they just seems to be that

706
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.440
way. I'm not I can't read
their minds, but they know what I'm

707
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.800
thinking still, and they'll talk about
it when I'm thinking about it. Oh,

708
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:36.920
but they will talk verbally, so
there'll be a stand. English is

709
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:42.000
like the language of the birds.
It's a universal language, and not all

710
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:46.000
of them speak it. And Reptilians
seem to be speaking pretty good, and

711
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.239
the grace and to both speak it
too. I don't know. I don't

712
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.000
understand. Now I've heard these stories
that they communicate telepathically. I don't understand

713
00:54:54.079 --> 00:55:00.000
that. But the guys speak pretty
well English. Say, a Reptilian,

714
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:06.760
is this something that you've seen up
close? Also? Oh yeah, oh

715
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:12.199
yeah, they've handled me. Really, how big are they? Uh?

716
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:17.119
And we're from from five what they
do to seven foot? Tell? And

717
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:24.360
they eat fish rotten fish don't smell
very good. Uh, and they'll get

718
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:28.840
it all over. And they're easy
to pick out when they're in even when

719
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:35.360
they're invisible. Uh huh uh because
they can clothe themselves. They can be

720
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:37.239
fully invisible. You willn't know they
were standing in a room. And I

721
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:43.079
did an experiment. I know how
to expose them. H absolutely work every

722
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:49.800
single time. So and what is
that I use a fog machine? Okay,

723
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.239
because I noticed, And that was
going to be one of the questions

724
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.159
before I get to that. Though
some of your videotaping and the methods you

725
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:05.639
use, how many different types of
entities do you have you seen? Well?

726
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:12.280
I can now well I call them
maybe a species because of because there's

727
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.079
more than one of them, and
some of them that they look pretty messed

728
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:21.320
up. I don't call them species
because they've only seen one of them,

729
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:27.079
or they might be genetically altered.
There's humans that live with them, but

730
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:32.719
they might be genetically engineered neared humans
because they help them. They're they're treated

731
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:40.280
like their class citizens and they don't
have the best living quarders. They and

732
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:45.840
they do whatever they're told to do. And you guys are very interested in

733
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.960
now archeological digs as well. They're
looking for the same answers as we are.

734
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:55.960
They're looking for technology. I think
maybe some forbidden archaeological stuff that they're

735
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.679
looking for. I've seen some things
what they was doing, and they had

736
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:08.400
like labor camps going on down there. So there's multi different types of reptilians.

737
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:17.360
There's a scary looking type of relian
that looks like us, but they

738
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.719
look reptilian. And then they get
the other kind. They look more like

739
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.800
a between a frog and a silver
back ape without the hair. They get

740
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.559
the long arm, short legs,
and they even walk around their fists and

741
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.960
their legs until they walk up to
each other and they'll stand straight up until

742
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.800
so quite a few and then who's
what's the hierarchy like? So you said

743
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:47.360
these human types are kind of the
lower class. They're the ones that's more

744
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:52.159
like the silver bag They frog looking. Some of the guys they call them

745
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:59.440
frog looking because they have more of
a frog looking face and pretty stout.

746
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.719
There's about seven floors, maybe a
little bit taller. You want to they

747
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:08.400
do have weapons. Uh, and
they're they're pretty big. They can pick

748
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.679
me up on my arm picks and
carrying me out of the house. Uh.

749
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.559
For they're pretty strong. Uh huh. And that's on the floor when

750
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:25.760
they're carrying me out. And how
are these guys kind of workers too?

751
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.960
No, they're more like a run
the gate. They seemed like maybe black

752
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:37.400
march market or military. Huh oh
they uh they they don't seem to care

753
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:45.159
for humans very well. Uh,
they're to be in charge. I have

754
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.400
not figured that out. I've asked
them many times to let you talk to

755
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:52.039
somebody in charge. Let me tell
you, I just upset them every time

756
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:57.079
I do that. So really So, then, although you said they're like

757
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:02.039
these big guys, are I don't
seem to me I think much of humans

758
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:08.400
at least it doesn't seem like they're
they're treating you too bad? So are

759
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:14.960
any of them like I guess they're
they're nature benevolent? Rich is malevolent?

760
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.519
I mean? Are they more indifferent
to people? Are some of them very

761
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.079
loving to people? And do some
of them you think are doing really bad

762
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:29.679
things? Possibly killing people? Well
that's where I can describe it. Because

763
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.719
you go to a shopping mall.
And to say that everybody in that shopping

764
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:42.239
mall is good loving or or murderers
or raping, or hateful or very lowful,

765
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.039
that would be discriminating. They're all
different. They all have their own

766
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:52.199
personalities. Some of them are I
would call human hungers and some of them

767
00:59:52.400 --> 01:00:00.079
I would they couldn't care less if
if you live or dies. And but

768
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.239
that's true. Uh, I'm sure
I can't. Everybody asked me, are

769
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.639
they good or bad? Well,
we'll depending which one I met from that

770
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:13.719
that seemed like they had an interest
in me. But uh, they always

771
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:19.880
rotated them they so no way would
get attached to their job that they were

772
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.079
doing, you know, to to
me. So they would rotate every two

773
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:31.960
weeks to every three months, depending
on what they was doing. Attached which

774
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:38.440
sort of entities were the human huggers, Uh didn't matter. It could be

775
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:43.920
uh their grace. But they don't
really talk much. Uh they're pretty much

776
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:49.800
off on the sidelines deserving or or
whatever. But uh they had some that

777
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.079
that uh see to be pretty smart. They talk like me and you,

778
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:59.559
but they talk about about human rights
and and and that. You know,

779
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:05.400
it was like if I guess now
we have laboratories that we have animals in

780
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.000
there, and then you got these
people that would go in there and set

781
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.159
them all free and stuff that they're
kind of like that. That's what they

782
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.920
remind you of. Uh. So
what they always show them off like go

783
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:22.760
away, you know, there's steal
our work, right, so and have

784
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:34.320
other family members then also seen and
communicated with uh these beings. Well,

785
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:38.199
when the stuff started first happening,
and I was still thinking it was ghosts

786
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:43.039
and stuff, Uh, my son
would sit in the room with me and

787
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:45.599
my wife and we would wait for
him to show up and uh and we

788
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.719
would interact with them. That's a
matter of fact. It was the first

789
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:54.960
time I touched them and uh and
we would touch them and then interact with

790
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:59.800
them and uh because there was in
a transparent state and they feel like they

791
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:06.840
what static electricity, That's the only
way I can describe it. But that's

792
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:13.239
before they was becoming more solid.
They just started doing that as time went

793
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.719
on, I guess to see what
we could handle. That's the only thing

794
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:22.119
I can guess why they were doing
that. So they acclimated you to their

795
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:30.239
to their presence right exactly. And
then uh then as uh uh time would

796
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.239
go on. I would lay in
bed at night like it was asleep,

797
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:38.239
and uh, they're impatient. There
are creatures of habit. They're predictable.

798
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:43.239
So it was easy for me to
do some of the things I did because

799
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.440
it was predictable. And uh.
And they would come into the room that

800
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:50.599
they thought I was asleep and then
come and get me out. But they

801
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:57.119
would be in solid form mm hmm. This is not that sleep priorlessis or

802
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.960
whatever. This is not that because
I would lay there and and they've moved

803
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.119
things to pick up things. They
would look through my drawers at night.

804
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:12.039
They would uh, they would talk
back and forth. But they've never taken

805
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.519
anything but a couple of DVDs of
mine. Wow, and what do they

806
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:22.480
do with those? They got some
pretty good video and they know what I

807
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.199
have, and they took some of
my best ones. Oh so they took

808
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.639
the video of you videoing them?
Right, Okay, I come of them.

809
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:37.159
They altered mm hmm and then returned
right. But they ended up taking

810
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:43.079
them back too because they were so
poorly done. Interesting, so they kind

811
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:47.280
of they sound very much like people, I mean, just regular people,

812
01:03:47.320 --> 01:04:00.280
exactly bumbling and screwing up and various
different personalities amongst the different species exactly,

813
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:03.199
but that they're not any They conduct
themselves pretty close to like us, but

814
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:09.480
their culture, the way they do
the things are way different. Matter of

815
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.440
fact, we would not get along
with them if they was here. Why

816
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:17.079
is that? What are some of
the differences? Keep some of those things

817
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:23.519
for myself. But but yeah,
we were a bit at war. And

818
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:30.119
if if anybody is that the government
knows what I know just one eighth,

819
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:36.119
they'll never be disclosure never. So
I mean they're not they're not bad,

820
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.280
but they just don't fit in,
you know. I don't care how many

821
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:44.000
times you see them. It's hard
to take your eyes off of them,

822
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.079
because it's hard to believe what you're
looking at. And I aduced one of

823
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:54.039
my friends to him, and how
conveniently he's dead right now because his house

824
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:59.400
blew up by a gas leak.
But he touched him. And he was

825
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.639
a big, old early guy.
He was one of my employee's and a

826
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.559
good friend on top of that,
you know, and all tattooed up and

827
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:10.639
real tough guy. And I was
telling him about it and he was like,

828
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.199
David, you sounding psychotic. I
says, no, you've got to

829
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.440
come over and see this for yourself. And he's like, well, if

830
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.679
I come over, they're not gonna
bother me, are they? Because you

831
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:24.719
don't believe me, then then you
ain't got nothing to worry about. You

832
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.840
anyways, you decide he's gonna come
over that night, and uh, he

833
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:31.719
said, okay, about one thirty
of the stuff starts happening. And you

834
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:33.840
know, I brought him into my
bed. You me and my wife.

835
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:38.880
We sat on the bed and we
waited and we waited and we talked and

836
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.679
outside you so the cold draft.
I go it too, and uh and

837
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:46.440
a sudden they started coming into the
room, and uh, he says,

838
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.800
what what I said? There they
are, and uh he started getting these

839
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:54.719
tears through his eyes. And he's
like, oh my god, Dave,

840
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.000
I'll never doubt you again. And
I said, you can touch him.

841
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.519
You touch him. This is cool. You know, he's to him and

842
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.480
he's got tears on out his I
you today, I cannot believe this.

843
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:09.320
You know. Well, about about
thirty minutes or so, we've messed around

844
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.719
with them and everything, and I've
you know, shown different things about them.

845
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.559
And then they leave and he went
to bed. He slept on the

846
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.760
couch that night and uh, next
morning I got up, I wanted to

847
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:23.320
and welcome up this Hey, he
said, what do you think about last

848
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.719
night? He sat up and he
looked at me, said, David,

849
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:32.320
you thought we suggested me to see
that. I'm like, how did I

850
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.960
do that? You touched him?
You wasn't there? You experienced it,

851
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:44.199
but it wasn't. He didn't deal
with it very good. After that,

852
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.719
I felt kind of bad that I
should have done that, but I just

853
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:53.519
had to show somebody, you know, so so but he was a good

854
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:57.679
friend of mine, and uh,
he's not with us anymore. So wow,

855
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:02.400
So how do you handle because it
seems like, you know, uh

856
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.559
from the TV show, you have
a really nice house, your house looks

857
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:12.800
really nice. Uh, you're successful
and you're able to go about your regular

858
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.920
life. Uh how do you do
that with also all of these experiences?

859
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.960
It was tough at first. Don't
don't get me wrong. It was Uh

860
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.679
was interfering with my concentration at work
because I really love what I do,

861
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.519
and I'm a hard worker and I
enjoy what I do. And I enjoyed

862
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:35.239
meeting the people and making their dreams
come true. That's what I do for

863
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:44.159
a living. And uh, and
Uh, I look at everything very scientifically,

864
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.760
and there's got to be if if
I wasn't checking the craziness of what

865
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:54.039
I was seeing, if I couldn't
do my experiments and try to get down

866
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.559
to the bottom of what was going
on, to be almost take me preventually.

867
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.360
Ghosts. Uh, the will wasn't
hurting family, it wasn't hurting us.

868
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.880
It was making a lot of noise. They'd taken us out of a

869
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:08.880
house. And one night that they
brought my children down to my bag.

870
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.440
You want to throw them across the
foot of my bed. Uh, there

871
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.760
was a left killing there and Uh. I sat up in the bed as

872
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:19.279
my son daughter was laying across the
foot of the bed. Uh in like

873
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:24.560
a complete state. And uh he
looked at me. I looked at him.

874
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:28.479
He says, does this pou to
you? I didn't want to blow

875
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.000
it, so I told him,
I God, I trust you. And

876
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.600
they Uh, they carried us allow
out of the house. There. What

877
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.760
did they do with you when they
take you out of the house. They

878
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:45.439
taken me to so many different places. Uh they I mean they've taken blood

879
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.560
from me, They've taken things out
of me and looked like liver Uh.

880
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:54.840
I watched the foot jumping into my
right heel on my foot. Uh.

881
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:59.720
I watched them the surgeries something and
uh uh some of it was barbaried.

882
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.600
They seemed to know what they're doing, so kind of thank you guys like

883
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:09.880
guinea pigs. Right. They always
separated us. Uh uh, you know

884
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.079
it'say they've taken me in. When
they taken me and my wife bought the

885
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:15.479
house, we were able to talk
back and forth to each other as they

886
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.359
was tearing us. How the house
the first time that we were totally conscious

887
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.720
when I took this out. Were
you guys freaking out at that point?

888
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.680
I'm sorry? Were you freaking out? When they're caring you both had the

889
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.399
house, you could talk to each
other. Oh, because when it was

890
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:34.760
in there, we was like hearing
like growling and talking going on, and

891
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:40.520
uh and we was in there looking
at So this is when I was trying

892
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.439
to figure out it was bad or
good. So uh, I asked,

893
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.319
either are you bad or you're good? They were still in this transparent state

894
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.800
and it was I don't know where
the growling was coming from, but you

895
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:58.960
could see the operations that looked like
the predator type operation and uh, all

896
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:03.279
of a sudden, in three seconds
of asking that my feet I mean I

897
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:06.920
didn't catch down to it but at
first, but my feet just started going

898
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.880
n and wanted to my legs,
up to my ears and up to my

899
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.960
foresto you know, and all the
way up to my head. And it's

900
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.920
like it was like like being an
olymp biscuit. You know. It's like

901
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:23.239
you couldn't move, but it felt
good at the same time. And uh,

902
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.159
and it was like hard to move
him out, but I could still

903
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.359
talk to my teeth. I'm like, oh, my god, do you

904
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:32.039
feel that. My wife was responding
by go, Oh'm like that, yes,

905
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:35.079
you feel that too, you know. Now of a sudden, Uh,

906
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:39.479
they picked us up out of the
bed. They didn't float me.

907
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:44.000
They picked me up under me the
armpits. And I'm like, I feel

908
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:48.880
like a dangling doll as it.
But you have a sensation though floating,

909
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:54.359
but they're not. They're carrying yet. And they carried us right through this

910
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:59.239
port hole. And as soon as
we went through it, Uh, it

911
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:02.399
was like it was pitch black.
He couldn't tell what was up or which

912
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:09.159
was down on the sideways, and
then up ahead in the distance there was

913
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:13.359
a light like another doorway, and
since we passed through head, it was

914
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:17.239
like it was outside and I remember
seeing it looked like a airplane hangar,

915
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:26.199
like concrete squares for pavement out there, and there was these three cubicle looking

916
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:31.359
buildings. They carried us through societies
and there was the like reptilian looking doctors

917
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:35.239
and blue scrubs and the bed folded
out of the wall and it was standing

918
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:40.760
there at the attensions, and they
carried me through the first cubicle, which

919
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:47.760
was maybe a ten foot by fourteen
foot long right run at Vicinity, but

920
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.479
I know it was like a white
It looked like it had maybe pagging on

921
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:55.159
the walls, and I had a
window that I could still see out the

922
01:11:55.199 --> 01:12:00.680
window at the airplane hangar looking thing. And they carried me as the first

923
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.960
doctor, and I'm assuming that my
wife was in the first one, and

924
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:09.760
then they took me a second but
I don't remember anything after that, which

925
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:14.479
totally blank. I remember going to
work the next morning and I was like

926
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.680
carefuway to work, and I remember
that that happened. Then I called my

927
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.800
wife up. I said, hey, to you, did that happen last

928
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.239
night? And she was like,
yeah, that half last night and we

929
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.840
were trying to talk back and forth, but I had a hard time and

930
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.960
concentrating at work that day too.
Yeah, I'm bad. Now, why

931
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:36.000
you because it does seem like this
stuff is centered around your family or you

932
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:43.000
in particular. Possibly do you have
any sense of the reason why I thought

933
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:45.600
I was dead? Man now understanding? No, No, I don't.

934
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:50.199
I don't know why. I've asked
that. And h one night that they

935
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:56.760
took me out and I asked the
rectang lit a female and they drove me

936
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.479
to the end of my bed,
you know, they pulled my blankets off

937
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.479
me up to meet the armpits and
drugging me to them in my bed and

938
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:06.439
uh, and it was like a
porthole, stargate, whatever you want to

939
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:12.199
call it was open up behind her
and she was standing there and she had

940
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:16.399
the smirk on her face, and
uh, I asked her this, why

941
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.520
you're doing this? And uh,
she just turned around. So I walked

942
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:26.760
away and just because you're special,
and she just kept on walking, And

943
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.199
I said, bull craft, I
gotta have a better answer than that.

944
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.119
You know, it's you could tell
anybody that you know what I'm saying.

945
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:40.399
So but but that's true story that's
the only answer they give you, though,

946
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:45.119
huh right, They never give me
no direct answer. Uh, it's

947
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:47.319
hard to get things out of them, but they they they tell me some

948
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:54.800
things, but they show me things. And now you've got some videos on

949
01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:00.600
the internet, and uh, you
know, some of them showed on the

950
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:04.760
factor faked. And one of them
is pretty straightforward, the one which is

951
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:10.840
probably the most impressive, and they
seem to feel so too. Where you

952
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.399
have your camera set up over by
the door of the bathroom and it's recording

953
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:21.760
a security mirror, so you could
get the whole room, and then in

954
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:28.319
pretty near the camera by the bathroom, you see what kind of looks like

955
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:31.239
a great kind of peek around the
corner. All right, Yeah, that

956
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:36.960
was It was almost a two and
a half hour flight. But when I

957
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.840
got up that morning, I never
seen it happen. I never seen it.

958
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.880
But I got up that morning and
I always took my camera, and

959
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:53.960
they said there was data that was
damaged on it, but the camera gave

960
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:59.079
me an option to rebuild the lost
data. So I don't know that much

961
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.039
about my camera, but so I
said, well, there might be something

962
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.800
on and so I hit the button
and it was still working on it by

963
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:08.399
the time I left the word,
so I just let it go. So

964
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:12.880
when I came back home from work, it was actually just finishing up rebuilt

965
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.600
in the data. So then I
took the camera into my office and I

966
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:21.079
looked up to the computer and everything
was still blamed all the way up to

967
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:26.680
the very end. And I've seen
a flash of light. And so I

968
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.359
kept going back and forth, back
and forth, and I couldn't find it

969
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.399
now and it showed up, so
I saw I had to go frame by

970
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:41.079
frame I happened and a half a
second, so I had this program was

971
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:47.239
when DVD number seven, but anyway
that I could break down frame by frame

972
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:53.399
by second by you know, there's
thirty frames in a second, so me,

973
01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:58.640
that happened in those fifteen frames of
that second. That's why it's jumpy,

974
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.960
because he would miss it if it
was on full speed. This all

975
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:09.079
happened just half a second, so
it was really quick, right, So

976
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.640
and that's the only thing I camera
get back to me, And I sold

977
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.560
my son that, I said,
hey, check this out now, and

978
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:16.359
because I thought it was my son
at first, but my son was like

979
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:23.359
fourteen or fifteen years old at that
time, so but but he likes getting

980
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.239
curious to his eyes. Was like, oh wow, this is cool,

981
01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:30.720
but that's not my favorite video.
I got a video of a great entity

982
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:36.039
standing next to my dresser and uh
and I got that frame by frame too,

983
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.560
which is that on the internet,
but I have it on my computer.

984
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:48.720
Did only recently that I noticed someone
started posting your videos right well the

985
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:55.039
friend of yours, Yeah, Lon
strict work, he was posting him.

986
01:16:55.079 --> 01:17:01.520
But actually a man named h mister
burkecart there rock Chester Current Normal. He's

987
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.520
the one who put the original video
out there, and he's he's like,

988
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.640
you know, I was like,
is this for real? And you see

989
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.920
what you're seeing? Okay, that's
what I'm telling you, and he's and

990
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.560
he says yes, and I have
and having visitations and uh and he says,

991
01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.840
you know, there's a fake big
foot out there and every dances,

992
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:24.560
but uh says, I'll take a
chance and put this out there and see

993
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:29.119
what kind of response we get.
And uh and he put it out there

994
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:32.560
and that's and then you know,
a year goes by and I know,

995
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:35.720
I oh the line, you know, I talked to him and and then

996
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:41.960
uh lone started investigating my case and
he did a really good job line some

997
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:46.319
phantoms and monsters and uh, you
really only want to take attention to it

998
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:51.119
because I called up people to come
out to my house with some letter equipment.

999
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.720
I tried to make it never so
well. I went out of my

1000
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:59.319
way. I talked to people at
the people that had maybe some knowledge,

1001
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.560
and to find out, nobody knew
anymore than I did. And I know

1002
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:06.000
the story sounds crazy, so I
didn't blame them for that coming out to

1003
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:11.439
the house. But I was the
only reason why I put this out there

1004
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:19.119
is because I wanted better equipment to
to get what I got, and I

1005
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:26.279
told Van Hansens some factors fake,
I says. Listener says, you get

1006
01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:30.640
me a camera that takes a hundred
frames a second, so I'll get the

1007
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:32.680
best video of the world's ever seen. He says, well, I don't.

1008
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:35.520
Don't nobody they can do. That's
realkay and fine, I'm done.

1009
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.760
You know, It's like I don't
care if I video take them anymore because

1010
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:44.560
I got my answers. Why everybody
has to try to figure out if this

1011
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.079
really exists? And do they still
come and visit me? Yes, they

1012
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:53.439
do so, but I don't pick
and choose when they come and see you.

1013
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:58.640
Yeah, yeah, I know it
really you know, makes me want

1014
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.439
to get out there and investigate because
it is a far fetched story. But

1015
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:08.840
I mean, I know there have
been times where I have found out that

1016
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:15.600
some of these far fast stories are
true, so firsthand. Also so one

1017
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.239
of the things, okay about the
video too, is that one of the

1018
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:24.039
videos, and some of these you
can see online, like you set up

1019
01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:28.279
a strobe and you set up candles
and there's a lot going on, and

1020
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:33.920
you have a laser indoor flashlight that
you kind of move around the room.

1021
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:39.399
Why do you do all that when
you're video taping? Okay, well,

1022
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:44.199
let me get you that was just
another experiment that was going okay because I

1023
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.880
was it was getting harder and harder
to catch them on video, and even

1024
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.600
though that they were showing up just
because they showed up on me to get

1025
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:56.680
them on video, right, And
so I decided to take everything I knew,

1026
01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:01.680
everything I tried and everything that worked
half but you know, and fill

1027
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:06.000
it all at them at one time. Okay, but you confuse them.

1028
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:14.880
They don't like the stroke light and
and if you listen to the video that

1029
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:19.359
that actually come up with you can
hear growling and all kinds of things going

1030
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.760
on. And yes, we was
hearing those noises, but there was like

1031
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:28.239
a loud humming sound in there that
we did not hear, and that could

1032
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:34.239
have been it was taking up a
the frequency from the TV set because everything

1033
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.319
was piped into the TV. So
I lay there in bed and see what

1034
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:44.000
my cameras picking up through my TV
set. Okay, nothing was added that

1035
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:47.520
the sounds are absolutely there. To
me, it sounds like animals. Some

1036
01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:51.560
people say it sounds like the hall
of a ship, but those are actual

1037
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:57.760
noises, and this is the noises
that would make us up in Lownite.

1038
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:06.000
So and I guess people could google
this David Eckert and be able to see

1039
01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:11.840
those and because they are really Yeah, that sound I did see that was

1040
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:16.039
really weird. And then in the
video it's almost like I couldn't see,

1041
01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:20.359
you know, everything that they saw. I could see what looked like a

1042
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:25.920
kind of a half torso maybe kind
of floating in the air or something.

1043
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:30.359
Right, there was something I never
saw that happen. But to me in

1044
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:35.479
the video you see the half porsol
that I think there's another one holding him

1045
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:41.159
by the leg and daring in fact
or fake. If I hang something from

1046
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:45.319
the ceiling right there, the easiest
way to find out if somebody ever hung

1047
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.079
something there would to go open hold
back into lace and see if there was

1048
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:54.159
something hung there. I never owned
a code wrack, okay, never owned

1049
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.640
one of my thorough life. That
was one thing I was curious about because

1050
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:00.800
they bring in this code rack.
Why would you have a wreck in your

1051
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.520
in your room? And I thought, well, maybe, uh, that

1052
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.159
co wreck was in the house,
but that was something they brought in.

1053
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:10.920
You didn't have that in the house. No, I never had one in

1054
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:17.079
my life. But uh, but
no, what was what was in that

1055
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:25.720
spot was one of these uh uh
it was a fake palm tree. That's

1056
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:29.439
what was sitting in that spot.
I had a fake palm tree there,

1057
01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:33.720
and uh and that doesn't look like
a fake palm tree to me. So,

1058
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:39.399
but there's actually two entities there.
When the light goes across the first

1059
01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.840
entity, you know, the one
you can see the face and like the

1060
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.840
arm on it, and then you
started seeing another white spot on it.

1061
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.800
That's the second entity that's showing up
at that was trying to light on it.

1062
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:54.319
You can't see them straight on I'm
gonna let you go on a little

1063
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:58.279
secret. You can see these guys
a lot that are in a pavixed nervation.

1064
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:02.159
These guys are around us all the
time, and you wouldn't even know

1065
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.840
it because I don't know. If
you've ever been sitting at a desk or

1066
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:10.119
something like that and you see something
like, oh, your corner, your

1067
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:15.000
eye looks like a shadow, Well
that was going on a why and come

1068
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.800
to find out If you just stand
there and you wait, you can start

1069
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:21.119
seeing it moving around and you get
right up next to you. That's these

1070
01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:26.560
guys. You see it straight on. It's the technology. It's not spiritual.

1071
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.680
It's not their ghost. It's not
because they're not there. It's their

1072
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:35.520
technology. They know how to how
to hide in our vision. They're all

1073
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:40.279
around us. I'm not the only
one this is going on too, So

1074
01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:45.119
if I'm special, it makes everybody
special. Just because you haven't stopped and

1075
01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:49.199
looked around and find out that they're
there, you'll never know they're not there.

1076
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:55.560
Do you think that this steff is
happening more and more and more people

1077
01:23:55.640 --> 01:24:03.000
aren't able to be aware of the
presence of these things, and or are

1078
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:11.920
they around more? They've always been
there. What I've learned from these guys,

1079
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:15.159
They've always been there, and I
would say within the next twenty years,

1080
01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:19.520
we'll have computers that will detect them. Lotion detectors detect them. They

1081
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:24.920
see if they catch them before I
even see them. When I got my

1082
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:28.640
fog machine the first time, my
wife ordered it formul over the Internet because

1083
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:33.319
one night I was sitting at the
table and was eating and I noticed that

1084
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:39.119
these things were walking through the house
and they would be collecting dust in spite

1085
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:42.439
of webs. So one guy close
enough to the table, so I took

1086
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:46.119
my cigarette cellophane until folded off my
cigarette and stuck it to them. Need

1087
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:49.359
to follow them through the house.
That way, it was like I could

1088
01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:55.239
sticks to the TV screen or to
your sing. And that's that's where I

1089
01:24:55.279 --> 01:25:00.479
got the idea to use the fog
machine. It works every single time.

1090
01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:05.680
Wow. And you can see the
outline. That's why you do it.

1091
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:11.199
Uh, You see the outline of
the shapes in the fog you do you

1092
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.399
can start to see you can see
them. You can still see through them,

1093
01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:18.079
but it gives them more texture.
That's that's the day. The looking

1094
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:20.760
guy that I got to stand next
to my dresser. Actually, the first

1095
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:24.960
time I turned it on, it
was five of them in my bedroom,

1096
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:29.000
and uh, that's just why I
happened to have my camera. And uh,

1097
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.199
since they found out that the gig
was though, it was all over

1098
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.039
and they all took off, but
one I was standing by my dresser.

1099
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:42.000
I got a frame by frame.
He ditches behind my dresser and another one

1100
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:45.239
comes to a portole right behind him
and comes up to my little table before

1101
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:50.079
he figures out he's being scene too. Huh. But for the first second,

1102
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.119
So I was just going to say, we're pretty much out of time

1103
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.880
right now for the radio show,
but thank you so much for sharing all

1104
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:06.479
this. It's a pretty incredible what's
going on here. It's you used to

1105
01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:10.359
it. It's uh, it's might
be incredible some people, but you get

1106
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.520
used to it. And uh,
they're around us all the time, they

1107
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:18.560
are, and they know more about
us and we know about them. Well,

1108
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:26.640
I'm sure if you haven't watched that
Factor Faked that this has intrigued you

1109
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:30.439
enough to go check it out,
because yeah, what this guy is saying

1110
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:36.800
is pretty hard to swallow. It's
some pretty, uh pretty pretty strange stuff,

1111
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:44.119
wild stuff from all these different creatures
and portals and interdimensional as opposed to

1112
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:48.760
extraterrestrial and being able to communicate with
these guys. So it's very strange stuff.

1113
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:54.399
Uh, And go to Factor Fake. You know, Hulu has it

1114
01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:57.479
up. I know right now.
I think Jason said he saw it on

1115
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:01.600
the Sci Fi Networks page. You
can go watch this show right now,

1116
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.399
So go check it out if you
haven't seen it, and watch the investigation,

1117
01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:10.039
and you know, get to see
what this guy looks like because it's

1118
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:13.520
hard to tell from his voice.
You know, his mannerisms and everything.

1119
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:17.039
And go check out his high house. I mean, he's a successful businessman

1120
01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:23.600
and I think that's what lends to
his credibility. And you know, you

1121
01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:27.119
get to see his wife, who
just looks like it seems like a very

1122
01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:31.439
normal person. Very strange stuff.
So and if you think this is strange,

1123
01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:35.920
we're not done with this strangeness because
in the upcoming weeks we have more

1124
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:42.920
strange, strange out there stuff.
Next week we've got Whitley Strieber, of

1125
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:46.199
course, a famous author. Everybody
knows who he is. He did the

1126
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:51.680
movie Communion or he wrote the book
Communion about his abduction experiences. And I

1127
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:56.680
think, you know, even before
I was really into UFOs. When the

1128
01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:03.600
movie Communion came out, I've always
been fastated with the actor who played him,

1129
01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:10.359
whose name elludes me, Christopher Walkin. Luckily I got it before the

1130
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:14.039
show was over. Christopher walking a
weird dude in the first place, so

1131
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:16.800
he played this character which is really
strange in the movie. So it was

1132
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:23.159
very intriguing, and of course Whitley
went through is also very strange. We

1133
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:27.800
mainly brought abductions to the forefront,
so we'll talk about abductions, but we'll

1134
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.119
also talk about his new book.
And that's what I mean about some strange

1135
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:34.640
stuff he talks about. When he
was promoting Communion, some guy came to

1136
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:39.840
his hotel room in the middle of
the night and sat down for half an

1137
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:45.439
hour and let him know about all
of this really deep stuff, the secrets

1138
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.560
to the universe and humankind. And
he talked to this guy for half an

1139
01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:54.399
hour. Was downloaded all of this
information and now he's sharing it. He

1140
01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:57.439
wrote it in a book that he
kind of privately published, and you could

1141
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.840
get it from his website. It's
called The Key, but now it's been

1142
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.560
printed by Double Day. It's being
released on the twelfth you can go pre

1143
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:08.479
order from Amazon. So we've got
Whitley Streemer next week. It should be

1144
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.880
a very good show. I'm definitely
excited to talk to him more about this,

1145
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.239
and I've gotten a preview of the
book and it's very interesting. So

1146
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:20.359
join us next week. Thanks for
listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget

1147
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:26.159
to visit Openminds dot tv for more
UFO news, and we will talk to

1148
01:29:26.239 --> 01:30:08.560
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