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Love host with Alejandro Roja. Open
Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting

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evidence and the latest news regarding the
UFO phenomena. Here's your host, Alejandro

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Roja. Hello, Alejandroojas the gentleman
that mister Dena speaking of that is I

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and I will be your host this
evening. Today. We have a great

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show. It's kind of funny because
after a couple of weeks ago we gave

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Billy Meyer such a hard time.
We are covering a case that is also

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very controversial that a lot of people
get fired up about, and that is

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the Stan Romanete case. But we're
doing something special today. We're going to

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have Stan and Lisa both on and
we're gonna mostly focus on some of the

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newer unusual happenings that have gone on. We're gonna focus on this idea because

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you know, you all know who
know about alien abduction phenomena. A lot

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of people believe and we've talked with
the people that are like therapists about this

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on the show before that there's a
hybridization type of program like humans and aliens

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hybridizing and creating a sort of creature
that is yet unknown to us. Because

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we haven't got to meet him.
Some people have, but we're gonna talk

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specifically about all of this arena and
on that topic. So and he's got

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some interesting things to say there,
and I think a lot that you probably

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not have not heard of. And
maybe you'll, you know, find it

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interesting, maybe you won't. I
don't know. It's gonna be funny.

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Either way, you're gonna love it, trust me, So stay tuned.

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That's what's coming up. It's going
to be a lot of fun. A

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couple of other notes. If you
missed this show, Travel Channel Ultimate Travel

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Legends of the Park starring Alejandro Rojas, it wasn't really starring me. Maureen

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sent an email out saying it was
starring me, and I think she was

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hopeful that it would and she,
you know, believes that it should have

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starred me, and maybe it should
have. I don't know, but I

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was in it for a few seconds
here and there, and you can see

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those few seconds on my Facebook.
If you go to Alejandro Rojas and don't

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go to the Maricopa Guy, you
know, that's boring, that's Chihuahua's and

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stuff. Go to the journalist one
like it, and then you know,

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read everything there you got all my
stories and stuff, and you can watch

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the clips of me on the Travel
Channel talking about ghosts and scary things.

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They didn't take any of my UFO
stuff. I did talk about UFOs,

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but I have a clip up there
too of the San Luis Valley, the

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part of the show where they did
talk about UFOs and my good buddy Judy

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Mezzolines on there and Zach Begans.
Now, I got a beef with that

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guy because he was making fun of
my buddy Judy. Judy's awesome. If

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you get a chance, go to
the UFO Watch show in Hooper, Colorado.

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It's beautiful out there, and that's
why you gotta watch this clip.

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You can see how beautiful it is. It is at the sand Dunes in

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Colorado, and so it's a great
trip. It was always one of my

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favorite camping trips to go out there. So go check it out, hang

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out with Judy, watch some UFOs. You're gonna have a good time.

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I also want to thank the Global
Paranormal Society that had me on recently and

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you can see more about them at
paroocktv dot com. Para Rock cool sounds

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pretty cool. Otherwise, we have
lots of cool stuff on the website,

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including news. The website's updated on
a regular basis, the latest. It's

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by far the best source you know. I can solidly say that, not

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just being biased, because we're careful
we comb this stuff. We don't send

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you anything. We send you the
best UFO news that we post on our

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website. And then to top it
off, if that wasn't enough, we

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have Jason McClellan come here into the
studio to tell us about that news every

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week. And I'm so happy to
welcome once again Jason McClellan. Do you

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know it is such a long haul
for me to come in here every week

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and do the news. Yeah,
you're usually at your desk looking at pictures

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of Avril Levine, not all day. The majority of the day, I

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am combing through the piles and piles
of UFO news right right, and then

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I have to walk twenty steps to
come into the studio to do this show.

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Yeah, it takes a lot out
of me, yep, But I

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am happy to do it because we've
got a lot to talk about, so

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let's to do it. This is
your Open Minds News brief or Monday,

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September twenty sixth, twenty eleven,
Alejandro, this has been a big story

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this year, not so much lately, but well, I guess this past

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week it certainly was back in the
headlines. This is a big story early

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in the year, and I'm talking
about the Jerusalem UFO videos. And I'm

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sure most of you have seen these
videos at least one of the videos.

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But developments last week Israeli TV channel
ten investigator Nite Elbowim uncovered new information about

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the popular Jerusalem UFO videos, who
were recorded in January of this year.

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The videos made headlines around the world. However, this new information shits further

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doubt on the authenticity. The first
video was taken by Eli Gayel Gadliovich,

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and soon after three teenagers posted another
video of what appears to be the same

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object. In these videos, alike
can be seen descending over the famous dome

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rock of the Rock and then it
flashes and speeds straight up and out of

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sight. So during his investigation,
El William discovered that Gadliovich is a filmmaker

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and actor with his own film production
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a film teacher, among the actors
in one of Gedlievich's movies, and it

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just so happens that the teenagers who
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Ardiv teaches. Although the makers of
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evidence made Elbiim have doubts, so
he called Gadiliovich to ask about his

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association with the teenagers. Kadiliovich was
very cryptic in the call, and when

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asked if all of this was coincidence, Gadilievitch said he did not believe in

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coincidences and suggested that these connections may
not be a coincidence. He then also

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mentioned that he wanted to investigate the
incident this it's weird from a cinematic point

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of view. Gadiliovich then said he
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go, but before ending the call, he said that everything everyone was saying

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about the video was true and what
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have been a confession of sorts,
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He seemed to be caught off guard
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film teacher Golan Ardiv. Artiv said
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but that he didn't know the teenagers. When asked if the teenagers went

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to the school where he taught,
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did know them. But when Elbilliam
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talk to the students about their UFO
video, Artieve said it had been busy

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because they're approaching final exams, so
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to the Channel ten investigator, this
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videos were not authentic, although he
admits the motive behind the hoax is still

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not clear. Yeah, I think
this is all pretty damning. They seem

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to be caught off guard, and
I'm predicting that if this television station keeps

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pressuring these guys, which it sounds
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confession, probably in the not too
distant future. But one person had asked

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about one of the other videos,
which was Americans. Remember that one some

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American tourists supposedly that were just at
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one was very quickly demonstrated to be
a hoax, a cugi and you and

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I mean you and I have talked
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since the beginning, pointing out,
you know, different red flags in each

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one of these videos, right,
especially the one with the car full of

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teenagers, always seemed very strange to
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video that are very goofy. Yeah, I mean so much of the teenagers

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driving up I said, they are
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just them gooping around in the car
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yeah, And it was really funny
how the guy's like, oh, yeah,

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I do know those guys. You
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were so bizarre. Yeah, So, no, I don't know the teenagers.

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Oh you mean, do I know
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I know them. Yea, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Well,

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the conclusion of NASA Space Shuttle program
earlier this year, let's sound to believe

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that the United States space exploration was
dead, but a publication released on Friday

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by NASA illustrates a very exciting roadmap
of exploration plans for the next twenty five

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years. The publication, titled the
Global Exploration Roadmap, was created by fourteen

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space agencies, including ROSCOSMOS, that's
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CNSA, and China and NASA,
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Group. Did they have outfits?
I picture them in outfits. This seems

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like something that they got insight from
Marvel comics on. I'm not sure,

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but yeah. They are known as
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sounds very exciting. This roadmap builds
on a previous publication, the Global Exploration

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Strategy the Framework for Coordination, that
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According to stand Schroeder of Mashable dot
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vision of robotic and human space exploration
within the Solar System, with the premise

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humans may one day live and work
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Common goals and objectives of each agency
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outlined in the recent publication. This
list includes goals like develop exploration technologies and

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capabilities and performs science to support human
exploration, but the first objective on this

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list is search for life. Schroeder
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missions outlined in the roadmap are a
human mission to a near Earth asteroid in

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the twenty thirties, a deep space
habitat in twenty thirty four, and a

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human mission to the Moon in twenty
twenties. The next step would be sending

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humans to Mars, a dream many
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in our lifetimes. I know that's
true for me. The full thirty eight

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page Global Exploration Roadmap can be read
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is exciting, you remind me,
Alejandro, that it's nothing to get too

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excited about, because it seems that
almost monthly they come out with a new

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sort of roadmap. Yeah, they
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don't know what their plans are.
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at the time. Yeah. And
another thing that made NASA very popular this

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past weekend. By the way,
I didn't ask you you didn't get hit

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by any pieces of satellite? Did
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funniest thing. This enormous satellite fell
down and they were tracking it. There

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were all these live tracking sites where
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to see where this huge satellite with
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it was going to crush US or
not. And then NASA said they had

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absolutely no idea where it fell.
That's kind of weird because they say they

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can track everything in space, and
I don't understand how they would. I

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think it was Fox News or some
one of the media outlets even said NASA

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loses six tons satellite. How do
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we have that there's somebody, whether
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who can track absolutely everything that's in
our sky. And I think the real

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answer is, we don't have any
idea. Yeah, and it could also

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be that they're pretending playing dumb because
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They want to be oh youse us. But it's just it's weird and unfortunately

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these days you can't trust anyone.
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this a lot dealing with UFOs.
But as soon as this thing was supposed

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to come down, right away on
the Internet, there seemed to be tons

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of videos from around the world claiming
to be pieces of the satellite falling,

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and a lot of them looked hokey, just cheesy CGI and you know it,

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some from Italy and just all around
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this is a satellite. Yeah,
I don't know how legitimate it is.

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But we did get a group from
England that emailed us and said while they

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were waiting for watching for it at
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that they saw the splash of light
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ground next to them. So I
we'll probably write up you know what they

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told us in our next magazine and
the letters to the editor apart. Right,

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Well, if any of our listeners
got any sort of video around that

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time that the satellite was falling,
i'd certainly like the theater. I was

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looking for any good video. They
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didn't seem like much, and you
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satellite burning It certainly didn't show it
burning up and breaking into pieces, which

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would be very cool to see.
Well, a movie is being made about

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the Betty and Barney Hill story,
and our friend Bryce Zabel, who's been

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a guest on Open Mindes Radio a
couple of times, he is the one

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who plans to make the definitive movie
about the Hills experience and that's according to

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the Huffington Post. The film will
be reportedly based on the book Captured the

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Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience by
Stanton Friedman and Kathleen Martin, who both

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have also been on the show.
There was an NBC TV movie about the

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Hills made in nineteen seventy five that
started James Earl Jones exactly. I was

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gonna say, who is he gonna
find bigger than James Earl Jones. This

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is like one of the biggest actors
out there. How do you follow up

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James Earl Jones? And you certainly
can't top his voice Jimmy Jones exactly.

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So I don't know. It's going
to be a tough one. I feel

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sorry for the poor actor. Maybe
they'll get Chris Brown or something that would

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be obnoxious. Yeah, yeah,
you can't tart top Darth Vader playing Barney

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Hill. Right. Have you talked
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it's it's fairly recent news, and
he's been talking about lots of other stuff.

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He's been excited about stuff that we're
doing, of course, and we're

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excited about stuff he's doing. But
I haven't talked about this topic in particular.

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I'm going to have to ask him
because I'm curious to see if his

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his goal is to actually put it
on the big screen. And I think

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so. He's got so many irons
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he's really working on this kind of
All the President's Men type of thing for

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Majestic twelve with Stanton Friedman and all
of these guys and well, it's supposed

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to kind of be like their lives, but more like All the President's Men,

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where they're looking for the info and
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that. So sounds exciting. He's
a bit of guy magic men, magic

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men, Right, there's a guy
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I can't wait to hear more about
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a cool movie if they get it. I'll go in the theaters and see

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that, Yeah for sure. Yeah. Well, Alla Hunter, you know

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that I am a web video enthusiast. I know that. Yes, I'm

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glad you know that because I talk
about I don't tell you all the time

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what type of web videos that your
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This thing on Well, the UFO
Extraterrestrial theme is popular in Hollywood and we

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talked about that a lot, and
we had one of our magazines about that.

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But now the theme is being utilized
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and they are mainly known as like
a gaming company. They do a

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lot of gaming videos and things like
that, but they're hugely popular, and

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they just launched a new web series
titled Receiver and that's spelled RCVR and Receiver,

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with its stories of extraterrestrial encounters and
cover up attempts by secret government will

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surely appeal to fans of shows like
X Files. That's very similar to to

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the premise of X File. Chris
Atkinson's Atkinson of Real Seo explains that receivers

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are people who have been communicated to
by aliens, possessing knowledge about things like

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complex math that they did not before. Machinema provides this description of the series.

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Receivers are humanity's greatest asset, and
it's the job of Agent Luke Weber

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to track them down. In doing
so, Weber is also tasked with conducting

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one of the most important disinformation campaigns
in American history. But the cover up

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is about to get even more difficult
for Agent Weber. Dun dum Wow.

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Up until now, the UFO extraterrestrial
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web video industry, but Machinema,
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theme will receive major attention in the
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the most popular YouTube channels, one
of the most popular YouTube channels period.

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I think they're like that, the
number five channel, Real YouTube. They

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have more than fifty six million subscribers. Well season one, that's a few

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more than we have. Ours is
pretty popular. But see and if you

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don't believe us, you can go
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and see we're pretty close to fifty
six million. Whoa. But if you

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go there and see that number is
not quite there, if you subscribe to

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our channel, it can help us. Yeah, get it that much closer.

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But Season one of Receiver will consist
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posted to Machineum's YouTube channel every Wednesday. Cool, it's cool, the next

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X files is online? How appropriate? I think so? And I should

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tell the audience for those people are
saying, oh, Jason's gross, I

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was kidding, He's into the web
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in the world of all web videos? What's gross about puppy videos? That's

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not what you were talking about.
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They are pretty to everybody though,
because they're extremely popular. Yeah, next

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to porn in UFO as they're probably
next. Yeah, they have to be.

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People are all on the puppy watching
puppies, dude, anything, Oh

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yes, and then after that probably
the Simpsons. Yeah. Well, Alejandro,

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I have more news. You be
ready for more news. I don't

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know if you saw this video,
but a man in San Antonio, Texas,

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recorded a video of UFO two weeks
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to k e n S Channel five. First of all, no navigational lights.

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That's what got my attention at first. Then I started zooming in and

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started seeing the different configuration of the
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helicopters and airplanes above his house all
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his camera was something completely different.
And looking at the video when they showed

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the zoom in, it looked like
it looked like a triangle UFO and had

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various lights on the bottom of it. It looked very similar to shape of

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crafts we've seen a lot before,
and it was nighttime, he couldn't really

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see it, and you know,
the camera wasn't that great. So I

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mean the video is interesting for sure, you can't really determine anything from it,

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but the guy was definitely very excited
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I thought that the news channel there, their Channel five, did kind

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of a bad job with the report. I don't know, we're seeing this

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lesson less but it still exists.
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a bit. But you could tell
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he's recorded stuff before. But when
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had him in a shirt that had
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him by his computer and he had
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monitor. I wonder, and you
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well, you know, don't wear
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do that. But then sometimes when
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you to do that, right,
so, and you never know. I

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remember one time, you know,
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had me put all kind to paperwork
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I did, and then he's like, well, can I get a video

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of the page with the aliens?
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really, that's not what this is
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reported, but mostly we're dealing with
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well, I just want to get
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future or something. So he talked
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Sure enough. It's like a thirty
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they use. Noo, yeah,
that was the thing they use the most.

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Look at this goofball. Yeah,
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interesting story. Reuter's news partner The
Rap published an article back in August but

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an upcoming documentary titled Revelations of the
Mayans twenty twelve and Beyond. The article

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reported that the Mexican government had released
state held secrets about the end of the

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Mayan calendar to the filmmakers, and
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the response given by the filmmakers was
simply, everything is going to come

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out in time, but I can't
come meant on aliens or twenty twelve,

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but according to a new article published
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also provide evidence that the Mayans had
contact with extraterrestrials. Raal Julia Levy,

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the film's producer, stated, Mexico
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with evidence of Mayan and extraterrestrial contact, and all of their information will be

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corroborated by archaeologists. Additionally, Luis
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for the Mexican state of Campeche,
told The Rap this new evidence has emerged

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showing contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, supported by translations of certain cottesses with

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the government, which the government has
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aren't offering up any information about extraterrestrials, they are giving filmmakers access to previously

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classified artifacts and newly discovered prophecies.
Guatemala's Minister of Tourism, Yermo Novilli Keezata,

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said his country is working with the
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of mankind. Revelations of the Mayan
twenty twelve and Beyond begins filming in November

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this year and is scheduled to be
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but before December twenty First, I
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good of mankind. I think that's
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so that's what I do. Why
I do everything I do while you do

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everything you do? All right,
Well, I'm proud of them. I'll

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argue with that on some other time. This one's interesting. I mean,

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I think it gets a lot of
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interesting to see some sort of extraterrestural
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already do say, uh, kettil
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be interesting to see this show.
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mythology says people came from this guy
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you're on ancient aliens, right,
everything seems to be extraterrestrial. But it's

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still of course, it's great,
it's exciting, and of course if there's

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something new to come out, that
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that what the heck are these governments
hiding stuff for anyway, right, they

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said we were keeping some provocative information
locked up. Well, I do that

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that's in underground vaults. Yeah,
yeah, it seems kind of weird.

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It seems kind of weird that they
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that they've locked away. That's crazy, and that's really exciting that they're bringing

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out these artifacts they've never been seen
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what the extraterrestrial angle is going to
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probably a publicity stunt for them to
get tourism to capitalize on the whole twenty

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twelve thing, which is smart on
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government officials coming forward, are there, you know, tourism people, So

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who knows, I mean, that's
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what information comes forward. But the
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the extraterrestrial information is kind of fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, We've been watching

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Mexican tourist information for a while because
Mexico City their director of Tourism, Taljandro

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Roso. But you are Alejandro Rojas. Well, there's many in the Latin

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world. I thought there was only
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world, there's only one, right, Well, Alejandro, one last thing

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I'll mentioned. Did you happen to
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I did? That was a good, good, good laugh. It was

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very funny. Cliff is a funny
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Moufon in California about his appearance because
as this was filmed quite a while ago,

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and he's a funny guy. He's
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he knew going into this comedy show
that that's exactly what it was. And

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instead of being like some people who
really fight it and trying to be the

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stiff straight guy and get upset at
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He was a perfect guest and he
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did a great job. He rolled
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a great job. A lot of
people are out there, Oh how could

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he do that? He made move
On look foolish, But I mean they

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made just as much. I got
more fun of NASA in this clip because

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they interviewed a NASA guy too.
Oh the NASA guy looked. Yeah,

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they made Neat look pretty dumb.
Yeah, he didn't have the sense of

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humor. Cliff ad so I thought
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least now people hopefully more people know
about mouf on and are checking out their

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website, and that was Cliff's goal
and going on the show. Yeah,

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and you know, you can't always
be just uptight about it. I think

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some of the guys are criticizing me
to loosen up a little bit because it's

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like really upset. I agree,
one percent. Agreed. Excellent. Well,

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all on Hunter. That is it
for the news for today. Remember

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to check out all of these stories
and many many more at openminds dot tv,

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your source for UFO related news.
I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds

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News correspondent, and you've been briefed
back to you Leandro the Thank you,

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Jason. A couple other stories going
on on openlind dot tv. There is

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a petition go out there by Steven
Bassett of the Paradigm Research Group to have

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Obama formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging
the human race. However, I did

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write in this story that I put
on our website that there have been presidents

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that have sought this information and they
haven't had any luck. So I talk

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about allegations that Carter look for this
information, what Bill Clinton has said about

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his search for the truth in this
arena, and so you can look at

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that. I asked Stephen Bassett,
you know, do you think he knows

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anything? And if he doesn't,
do you think he'd be successful on getting

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some information? And Steve said that
if he doesn't know anything, he can

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very easily get the information. So
hopefully he's right, but unfortunately I'm not

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so sure. Be great. Other
news that we have up on the website

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are some of the stories that we're
running. Antonio Huneez had done some research

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in the past of the Rand Corporation. This is a think tank that works

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for defense and the government on various
different matters from politics to defense and all

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of this stuff. And he's got
a story up on the Rand Corporation's involvement

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with UFOs and it does go all
the way back. In fact, the

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Air Force actually had denied the Rand
Corporation had any involvement, but we do

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know that they helped out with Project
Grudge back before Blue Books, so in

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the UFO investigation, so we knew
that was a lie and over time,

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and this is chronicled in Antonio's story. You know, we found out more

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about rand and some of the UFO
studies they did, which they did,

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so it's an interesting historical story.
We've got part one up and part two

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will be coming very soon, maybe
tomorrow, maybe Wednesday, but soon.

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Anyway, that is what's going on
on the website. Everything else we already

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covered and Jason talked about. He
did a great job with the news.

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However, let us get to our
very interesting interview with Stan and Lisa Romanek.

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Okay, I am excited to have
Stan and Lisa Romanek right here with

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me in the studio and we're going
to be talking to some hybrid aliens.

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Hello. Hello, that was real
enthusiastic. Hi Alejandro, you could say

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hi to Lisa. Hi. Ali
Hondro. Do you get included in many

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of the interviews for a radio and
stuff. No, this is my second

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one was the first one. The
other one that I did, so I

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did cool, which is important.
Having Lisa here is important for a few

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reasons. First of all, because
I understand, even if he doesn't admit

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it, I'm ready to admit I'm
a space cadet and I never remember dates,

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let alone names. So Lisa is
really good at knowing when h and

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what happened. Stan unfortunately gets the
events confused. I do get kind of

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you know, forget what sometimes.
So Lisa is definitely my memory. Well,

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it's hard to keep track. So
much has happened, absolutely, I

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mean really, I so much has
happened. We don't There's a lot of

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stuff we just don't write down because
it's not you know, I don't think

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it's as important. That's some of
them as some of the your stuff,

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what to you is bigger stuff.
ET's walking around in your yard, hybrid

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kids walking around, you know,
contact CUFO, stuff like that that happens

404
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:18.839
all the time. Although the UFO
I saw yesterday with the director Phoenix,

405
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:25.519
the director for Phoenix move On,
was really really very impressive. Explain what

406
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.039
you saw. We were I just
finished speaking at Phoenix move On and me

407
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:40.039
and Lisa and the head of Phoenix
move On. We're driving Jim Gym.

408
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:48.440
Yeah, sorry, we're driving to
a night watch and off to the south

409
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.720
would be off to the right of
the car, about ninety degrees up in

410
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:59.319
the sky was a it had to
have been a mile long cylinder. It

411
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.799
was up their ways because you know, I watched as planes were flying under

412
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.920
it, and it seemed whitish,
kind of bluish white, almost parlesson,

413
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:15.160
kind of surrounded by prolessent light,
and underneath was a row of red light.

414
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.599
And I looked at it. I
wanted to make sure that it was

415
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.920
actually a UFO before I said anything
to Gym, because it's, you know,

416
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.079
the director for Phoenix move on.
I didn't want to look like an

417
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.519
idiot, and then I showed him. Then he goes, oh my god,

418
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.480
that's I've never seen anything like that. And then it literally kind of

419
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.759
shrunk down really really fast to a
small blinking light and then just vanished.

420
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.799
So and you saw it too,
Lisa, Yes, I did. What

421
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:45.359
did you see? I saw the
same thing? Anything different? When did

422
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:52.759
you first notice it? We were
driving up to the the SkyWatch. We

423
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:58.000
were on sixty what is that sixty
sixty? We just call it sixty round

424
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.880
here, okay, sixty, And
it was right before we got to I

425
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:09.039
don't remember the main it's at the
Superstition Mountains. Yeah, So the same

426
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.079
thing, only when it started to
shrink down, it was like it went

427
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:20.200
behind the cloud. It just got
really faint and then it just shrunk down

428
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.720
like it disappeared behind the cloud.
It was just a small blinky light.

429
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.640
But there were no clouds, absolutely
no clouds last night. Crazy. So

430
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.079
now on average, I mean,
you seem to see things quite a bit

431
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.599
UFOs. You know, we all
do. How many do you would you

432
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.279
say you see a month? Oh, it slowed down quite a bit at

433
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:50.960
first, we'd see I don't know, I wouldn't say a month. I'd

434
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:59.759
say maybe, jeez, maybe a
couple every six months at least. And

435
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.279
Lisa, the first trip you took
with Stan, right, you saw something

436
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:10.400
twos the first trip And when was
that and where were you going? It

437
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:16.239
was August two thousand and one and
we were going to Pennsylvania and we were

438
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:21.079
just crossing into Pennsylvania, went off
to the left. I saw this like

439
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.000
object in the sky and I tell
him Stan and his friend Marker with us

440
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.159
to look at it. And it
was just like there. It wasn't blinking,

441
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.679
it wasn't anything. It was just
like a disc in the sky and

442
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.559
they couldn't see it. And then
it just went from the left side of

443
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.239
the interstate to the right inside of
the interstate, just that fast, just

444
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.480
snap. It was there. Then
on the way back when we were leaving

445
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:52.159
three days later, we were I
know what state we were in, but

446
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.920
we noticed it off to the right
side of the car again, so it

447
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:02.280
would have been the north and it
once we saw it, we of course

448
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.480
were smart enough to think about it
more, and we had binoculars, so

449
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.199
we got it out and we could
actually see that it was a silver disk.

450
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.800
No lights, no nothing, just
a silver disc. And every time

451
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.880
we try to pull over to like
take a photograph or get it on video,

452
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.679
it would disappear in the clouds.
We'd get back in the car,

453
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.199
get going again, over and over, it would just go behind the clouds

454
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:30.199
and disappear. Well, these guys
were driving like eighty five miles an hour,

455
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.559
hanging out both sides of the car. I was scared death. I

456
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.039
mean this went on for two states, I mean, flying through these states,

457
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.320
this thing in front of us.
Well, and how long had you

458
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.519
known stand by this? Were you
married at that point? No? I

459
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.760
had known him for about a year. Wow, So right off the bat

460
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.039
from knowing stand I mean, the
rest we have, I mean, we've

461
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.400
talked about you and your history with
all of this on the last show,

462
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.639
so people can look for that because
this time I want to focus on the

463
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.039
timeline now that we there's more of
it, because there's a lot more of

464
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:15.239
what seems to be interactions with hybrid
aliens, possibly your offspring, which is

465
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.840
obviously pretty strange. But this started, I guess and correct me, you

466
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.599
know, if if I'm off or
I'm forgetting anything, it seems that this

467
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:34.000
had started with the experience where you
got to meet some of these these children.

468
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.760
Well, I guess to begin with
though, ever since you were being

469
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.639
taken, you were coming back and
blood was in your yarn when you'd return,

470
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.559
or you would have blood on your
your boxers and stuff. And unfortunately,

471
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.880
you know, I had the wonderful
job of being able to collect one

472
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.800
of your soiled boxers and put those
in a bottle to be tested. That

473
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:04.320
wasn't my idea, by that's just
gross. In fact, we had to

474
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.320
do it because you didn't want that
to be done. Actually we had to

475
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.000
do it kind of sneaky behind it, yeah, at least not get Yeah,

476
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.119
usually when I'm taken, there's evidence, be it scoop marks, or

477
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.320
I have a bloody nose, or
I pea blood or something. And they

478
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:25.599
were doing genetic experiments. I know
they were there was evidence I remember doing

479
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:31.599
one of my abductions. They I'm
always abducted with a woman. Every single

480
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.840
time. Usually I was abducted with
a woman, and for the longest time,

481
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.320
it was always the same woman.
And there was one incident where I

482
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.519
after our abduction or introduction, or
whatever you want to call it, we

483
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.039
were taken to a room. And
this room was it had some rows of

484
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.360
I don't know, benches, I
guess for lack of a better description.

485
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.440
And these beings brought these children in
to the room, and there were various

486
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.320
ages and various stages of development,
and some looked more human, some looked

487
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.239
less human. And these kids were
just the most loving, adorable, sweet,

488
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:19.079
just amazing kids you could imagine,
I mean. And one of them

489
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.440
came running up to me. I'll
never forget this. One little girl came

490
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.559
runing up to me and she grabbed
my leg and held my leg and she

491
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:30.280
wouldn't let go. And she was
just like like you know, a child

492
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.360
wood to a parent. And I
looked down and it dawned on me that

493
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.840
these kids were our children. These
were my kids. These especially the one

494
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.880
hugging my leg, looked a little
bit like me. She had that same

495
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.840
kind of structure, but again they
were not all human. I mean,

496
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:53.320
especially in the eyes. This particular
child, as far as the eyes were

497
00:38:53.360 --> 00:39:00.719
concerned, had extremely large, almond
shaped eyes, and they were very very

498
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.840
slanted, and they were a type
of blue that I have not seen on

499
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:12.360
any human being. They were so
blue they were almost violet. And I

500
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.119
remember these beings were starting to gather
up these kids. Apparently we had to

501
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.119
they were taking us back or something, and these beings were gathering up these

502
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.920
kids, and the first thing I
thought of it, I've got to protect

503
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.760
these children. I got to protect
these kids. So I know took a

504
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.920
stance and this one of these beings
that they were to come near me,

505
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.519
I would have probably knock them on
the ground or something. And I remember

506
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.639
a thought just kind of popped into
my head. They won't survive with you.

507
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.159
You can't take them. They won't
survive. And it dawned on me

508
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:45.280
that they were absolutely right. So
then I was taken back to a separate

509
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.400
room with this woman and I was
returned in Apparently they kind of were in

510
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.679
a hurry and put me in somebody
else's clothing, because I ended up wakingly

511
00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.239
self wearing a woman's nightgown that didn't
belong to anybody. So yeah, yeah,

512
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.000
and your version, of course if
this is really funny, so if

513
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:08.760
you could tell what happened, well, when this was and what happened that

514
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:22.119
night, I'm thinking February thirteenth,
two thousand three, two thousand and three,

515
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.519
Okay, yeah, and what happened, I mean he wakes up and

516
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:30.480
until he's like three out to Lissa, and then what happened was I woke

517
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.119
up because I was just coughing.
It's like I've had surgery before, so

518
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.360
you know how when you wake up
from surgery and it's like you've had the

519
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.960
tube down your throat and it's just
like really irritated and dry. And I

520
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.880
was just coughing and I couldn't figure
out why because I didn't have a cold.

521
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.519
So finally I got up, went
into the kitchen and got a drink.

522
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.599
When I came back into the bedroom, Stan sits straight up out of

523
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.360
bed and he's like, did they
take you too? I'm kind of a

524
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.440
smart Alex. It's like, yeah, yeah, it took me to your

525
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.960
weirdo crawled back up in bed,
and he decided to get up and go

526
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.960
to the bathroom because he was awake. Well, he didn't make it to

527
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.000
the door. He just froze,
and he's like, tell me, this

528
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.199
is yours, Like, Stan,
I can't see you. It's dark in

529
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.239
here. Tell me it's yours.
And I could tell he was starting to

530
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.639
panic about something. So I still
can't see. Turn on the light.

531
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.480
So he flipped on the light and
I start laughing so hard because he stands

532
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:30.440
standing in the middle of the room
wearing a red and black flaid nightgown,

533
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:36.400
long sleeved with mickey mouth on the
pocket. Woman's nightgown. No men wear

534
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:45.960
them too, honey, I don't
know. Right's version a one size fits

535
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.159
all woman's plaid nightgown which was tight
on stand, which was hilarious himself.

536
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.119
So we go through the process of, you know, trying to calm him

537
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.000
down, trying to get up off
the floor where I about, you know,

538
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.800
because I was laughing. I thought
I was going to fall off that

539
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.440
bed, so trying to calm him
down. He starts crying and then he

540
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.320
do It's just like he freezes.
He's like, oh my gosh, there's

541
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:14.360
something wet on the back of his
nightgown. Because it finally had touched his

542
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:20.320
skin and he's wiggling around, So
it got even funnier because he's like grossing

543
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.280
out, just get it off,
get it off. So here I'm trying

544
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.480
to pry this thing off of him
while he's you know, six foot tall,

545
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:30.440
I'm five foot two. Not easy. It's like sit down. So

546
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.400
I'm pulling it up over his head. He's freaking out to let it get

547
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:38.760
on my hair, and then you
know, it's like, what happened?

548
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.079
You know? We had to call
you know who we needed to call,

549
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.320
let him know, find out what
to do with it. Then we started

550
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.639
thinking earlier in the night, which
Dan forgets about all the time, we

551
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.679
woke up thinking there is a police
car or an ambulance or something outside our

552
00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.280
house because they were like red like
light flashing, flashing, flashing outside our

553
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:06.679
bedroom window. And we both remember
getting up going to the window, pulling

554
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.519
the shade up. I don't remember, and nothing else. Yeah, that's

555
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:15.400
right, remember with me waking up
coughing. So something happened and there was

556
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.679
no police car out there. Good
about that? Every single time? That's

557
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.679
why you have me. Yes,
we've got her here. That's interesting.

558
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.159
I'm glad you're here. To share
that because I didn't remember. I don't

559
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:31.159
even know if I was ever aware
of that. Talk to me more so,

560
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.719
Uh, how much of what you
just recalled there with the interaction with

561
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:44.639
those children is something that you remembered
without the regression, because I know what

562
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.199
Devor Lindaman did a regression of that. I remember seeing that. Was there

563
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.400
any of that or that you did
remember consciously remember more? Honestly, aleanro

564
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.800
I remember all of it pretty much
consciously. The reason I did the regression

565
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.280
is to substantiate what my memories were
because I didn't, you know, being

566
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.039
such a skeptic, you don't know
if you're going crazy or not. And

567
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.280
were these memories real? Was it
something else? Was it something I saw

568
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.239
on TV? You know, there's
all these different things that could be.

569
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.840
And I remember most everything, and
my abductions, especially the first one,

570
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.559
wasn't I always tell you the same
thing. If you watch TV, it's

571
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.559
the sleep prolyssis stuff. You know. Maybe they'll stop doing that because it

572
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.440
doesn't explain my first abduction experience.
It doesn't explain Travis Waller, everybody in

573
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.360
Barney Hills. But yeah, I
remember I remember the children very vividly.

574
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.000
I remember the smells, I remember
the way it looked. I remember once

575
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.280
they put us in this room,
dreams started shaking, and we were it

576
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.679
seemed like we were moving or something. And me and this other woman were

577
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:55.079
sitting there and the being came up
and put his hand on this lit panel

578
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.559
and it made the wall transparent.
I thought he opened something and we were

579
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.360
going to got to push us out, and right there we were at the

580
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.840
bottom of a planet. And the
planet had pastel rings in it, so

581
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:14.760
I'm assuming it was probably Jupiter.
And right there we were, right there

582
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:19.599
at the bottom of this planet was
this huge obsidian, black, obsidian looking

583
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.159
cylinder ship. And this thing must
have been at least one thousand miles wide,

584
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.840
at least five hundred miles at least
five hundred miles, and we were

585
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.199
accelerating away from it so fast it
was, you know, this huge ship

586
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.079
to a dot in a matter of
seconds. And so this experience with the

587
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.960
children was aboard like this little craft
that was taking you from this larger mothership

588
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.800
back. It was before we went
into that little craft, oh, before

589
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.039
you went into it, because then
after we after they took us out of

590
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.400
this where the children were, they
screwed the children out somewhere else and took

591
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.599
us into this room and then the
room started moving, and that's and then

592
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:05.199
I woke up. You know,
So as the timeline goes, I mean,

593
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.679
and of course Lisa, it's likely
here to make sure we have it

594
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:15.519
all right. But the next then
event with a child was that? Then

595
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.760
the party that we had for the
book with that picture, Yes, and

596
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.400
between then and what year was that? I mean, that was just a

597
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.719
couple of years ago, two thousand
and eight, two thousand and eight,

598
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:30.280
so that's like five years had gone
by without any real kind of child hybrid

599
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.400
interaction going on exactly, or was
it two thousand and nine? Probably two

600
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.960
thousand and eight, that sounds right, because I moved out into Arizona soon

601
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:44.639
after that. I came out here
mid two thousand and nine. We Lisa

602
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.199
had a surprise book release party for
me. I just became a number one

603
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:54.679
author, and you know, she
assumed me this awesome party, and my

604
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.840
friend Mark was part of it,
and I was clueless this whole thing.

605
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.480
Well, so of a go and
really enjoyed himself. He took us,

606
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.480
I took me and my friend Mark
went to a movie, came back and

607
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:13.159
there are all these people and they
said you're number one, and then I

608
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.559
cried. It was really very touching. And it was about nine o'clock in

609
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.880
the evening and it was raining outside, and the party was just started to

610
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.760
get going. And I looked outside, and we don't have any street lights

611
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.679
on our block. Everybody just turns
their porch lights on. And I see

612
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.840
this little girl standing out at the
edge of the driveway in the pouring rain.

613
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.239
And I thought it was odd enough
that she was out. I mean,

614
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.000
nine o'clock at night. What parents
in their right mind would let a

615
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.800
little girl out nine o'clock at night? And why was she wearing a jumpsuit,

616
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:51.079
a great jumpsuit? And it was
raining, and she was just standing

617
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.840
there watching me in the rain,
and so I went out to see if

618
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.519
she needed anything. She ran away. Well, I was telling everybody about

619
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.360
it, and they kept saying,
you know, don't worry, it's a

620
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:06.800
neighbor kid. And she showed up
again, and the kids here, the

621
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.480
kids back. Leave her alone,
you know, somebody said, leave her

622
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:14.239
alone, She's just a neighbor kid. While she was staring at me standing

623
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.199
again in the driveway in the pouring
ring and went outside to see if I

624
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.039
could help her or something, and
she kind of just scurried away. I

625
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.400
grabbed my camera. I had my
camera with me, and I was using

626
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:28.599
the flash as a flashlight to see
where I was going. And she popped

627
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.079
up from behind a tree and I
got a picture of her. And I

628
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.480
was so dumbfounded by the picture that
I got. I don't even really remember

629
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.239
if she disappeared ran away. Watch
she did, because I'm looking at this

630
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:44.679
picture. And one of the researchers
involved the case, and a good friend,

631
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.840
Rick, followed behind me, go
stand what happened? What's wrong?

632
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.000
And I couldn't say anything. I
was dumbfounded. I just showed him the

633
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.920
picture and he goes, oh my
god, you have to show everybody this

634
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:01.079
picture. So he dragged drugged me
back into the party was and there were

635
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:07.760
how many people I think twelve people
there, seventeen seventeen. There you go.

636
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.519
Oldro was one of them. Absolutely
yeah, And you were there,

637
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.480
so I remember, I'll recall what
I remember of the picture, and then

638
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.960
you know, you guys could tell
me if you remember something different. But

639
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.280
a really pretty girl with brown hair, a big forehead, it seemed like,

640
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.679
and she had, like you said, these large almond eyes, almond

641
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:36.320
shaped eyes there. That was the
one weird thing about her. Two weird

642
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:43.199
things about her were her big eyes
abnormally large. And the other weird thing

643
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:50.199
was her expression, because she seemed
very adult, and her expression, to

644
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.159
me, it looked like an adult
would kind of have this wry smile,

645
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:58.519
you know, like with a child
when they're when they're fooling with a child,

646
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.559
or maybe the child a just viewing
something kind of silly and and they're

647
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.400
kind of making this knowing smile.
That's what I remember, is that essentially

648
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.960
what you guys remember. I remember
the eyes. The eyes were so huge

649
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.360
and almond and you know, and
they've got that slanted almond shape to them.

650
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:22.239
And she just, to me,
she looked almost angelic, like love

651
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.679
was being emanated off the picture itself. And I'll never forget because we showed

652
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.760
one of the scientists involved us my
case that was there too, and he

653
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:37.239
started crying. He was so touching
Claude Swans in the end, you know,

654
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.480
I remember people kind of freaked out. Yeah, I just remember,

655
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.360
you know, when you see that
picture, it was just very impish,

656
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.119
you know, she just like,
you know, very Impush is good,

657
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:57.320
okay, Impush is very playful,
happy little thing, you girls, not

658
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:05.679
wimpy, impish. And then what
happened, Well, all of a sudden,

659
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.519
what did you say? Everybody's telling
me you got to put this on

660
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.280
the strike you to the computer,
because we got to get it on the

661
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.280
computer. Exactly, put this on
the computer. Put this on the computer,

662
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.599
and what happened would happen? Yeah, and it did happen. We

663
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.519
got I got down the step just
two steps, and all of a sudden,

664
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:27.199
the camera went and the computer vanished. I mean not the yeah,

665
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.960
the picture, the computer. It
was magic. It just like the whole

666
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.280
computer. You know it's still there. Yeah, yeah, you know.

667
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.440
I walked down the stairs, just
two steps down the stairs, and also

668
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.199
in the camera beaped and the picture
vanished, and you know, everybody's gone

669
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.920
to stand you did something? What'd
you do? It's like I didn't.

670
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.159
I was holding the camera and the
palm in my hand, making sure I

671
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.039
wasn't touching anything because I wanted to
put it on the bigger monitor for the

672
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:57.639
computer, and it just disappeared on
its own. And then just a few

673
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.480
minutes later, a phone and it'll
be me and Lisa's part, and then

674
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:05.079
you can tell what happened on the
phone, because I remember this part distinctly

675
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.760
because everybody goes back to the room. Everybody's talking about, oh my gosh,

676
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.760
what do you remember with the picture? What do you remember? And

677
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.800
talking about the picture, some people
being emotional. I just remember the women.

678
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.639
I don't remember. I didn't see
Claude getting emotional, but that's kind

679
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.320
of cute anyway. He was just
on the show a couple of weeks ago,

680
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.159
clude Swanson, and some of my
listeners will remember him. Incredible show,

681
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.800
great guy. And the phone rang, and I only remember me and

682
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.320
Lisa really paying much attention to that
because I immediately looked at Lisa, and

683
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.920
then Lisa looks at me, and
you go and grab the stand. You

684
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.800
went and grab the phone, and
Lisa and I followed you very quickly down

685
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.519
to the hallway that goes to your
office where you took the phone call.

686
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:54.039
That's what I remember. Do you
remember that exactly? The family room and

687
00:52:54.079 --> 00:53:01.800
then the phone You had some sort
of conversation that made you emotional and share

688
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.239
what you remember? You know that
was well, the phone rang, and

689
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.800
I still remember Lisa says it didn't
happen this way. But I remember somebody

690
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:13.400
handing me the phone, so I
you know, I pressed the button to

691
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:22.559
answer it, and there was a
little girl's voice on there and it said,

692
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.159
Daddy, I love You'll get to
see you again sometime. And I

693
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:34.880
couldn't believe it, and I just
completely completely fell apart and started bawling.

694
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.440
I can tell by Lisa's face that
she remembered you were recalling it a little

695
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:46.079
differently before from art from our part. I mean what we heard from Stan

696
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.800
was I love you too, and
he just got real emotional and we asked

697
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.360
him, what, who is it? What's going on? And he said

698
00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:00.480
it's my daughter and we're like,
okay, so oh right, because I

699
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.000
thought it was his utter yeah,
his real you know, his earth daughter,

700
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.079
right, And it's like, okay, so what's wrong. You know,

701
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:08.639
we're worried that something happened to his
daughter. And he goes, no,

702
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:15.199
she said, daddy, don't worry. Oh yes, that's right,

703
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.960
don't worry. I'm okay, because
he was worried about her being out in

704
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.719
the rain. Then she said I
love you and he says, I love

705
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.199
you too, and then he started
crying. Yeah, I remember feeling kind

706
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.760
of bad because you were so emotional, and we're like that, but we

707
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.559
wanted to know what happened, and
especially Lisa, it's like, no,

708
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.519
you tell us before you go up
on your own. So but she didn't

709
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.960
say it like that, but it
was of course very persistent, and so

710
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.199
you shared just that, you know
that what she had said. And then

711
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.679
of course you couldn't hold back the
emotion at that point, and you got

712
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.639
real emotional and went to your office
and I left you to be on your

713
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:59.199
own because your number one. You
know, I think Lisa tasty dain.

714
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.360
Yeah, I see this amazing,
this amazing child. You know, it's

715
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.519
from something, and it brings it
home, you know, it makes it

716
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.920
real. It's a real living being. It wasn't my imagination. And I

717
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:21.039
think all that combined just kind of
I just I lost it at that point.

718
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.239
Well, we were all in shock. Yeah. But what I mean

719
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:29.760
with confuses Dan is because Victoria actually
got a call from the same child three

720
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:36.360
days later, for about three days
later, jobs saying calling her mommy and

721
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.280
saying not to worry that she'll see
her again. That's where I get confused.

722
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:45.199
Now, we gotta we gotta explain
Victoria. I met Victoria at a

723
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.320
talk I did in Colorado Springs,
and she was working with Jeff Peckman doing

724
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:58.320
the denver Et initiative, and she
came to which started because of my experiences,

725
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.880
basically came to see me, and
he suggested that she go see my

726
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.639
presentation, which she did and I
recognized and I couldn't remember from where,

727
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.440
and then it dawned on me,
that's the woman. That's the women that

728
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.119
I've been taken with all these years. And sure enough it ended up to

729
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.760
be the case. And we became
really close friends, and she became close

730
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:28.159
friends of the family. And yeah, so this particular little girl showed up

731
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:38.559
and it was definitely one of the
kids. So after like the period,

732
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:43.320
the couple of days after that had
happened, how were you feeling? I

733
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:47.760
mean, how are you taking all
of this in? I was emotional.

734
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:54.360
I was conflicted because you know,
even after all these years, I'm still

735
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:59.599
kind of skeptical about certain things,
and it's still hard for me to accept

736
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.039
certain things. That's just the way
it is. And this was just one

737
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.519
more bizarre thing. Could this be
some kind of experiment to see if I'd

738
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.880
freak out? Is this real?
Is this not real. You know.

739
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.119
I was excited, I was concerned, I was emotional. I started wondering

740
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.480
if the children were okay, how
they need to be with us. We

741
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.000
need to protect them, we need
to make sure they're okay. And that

742
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.800
kept going over and over and over
in my head. How about for you,

743
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:34.840
Lisa, was this Did you believe
then, once Victoria had received that

744
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:40.079
phone call, especially that indeed she
was the mother of or involved with the

745
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.639
creation of this hybrid child, that
she was an abductee. I believed it

746
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.960
before that, but yeah, just
having the child contact Victoria and stand was

747
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.639
very hard. You know. It
definitely brought home that they had a connection

748
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:01.880
that was going to be difficult to
deal with. For me, most my

749
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:07.679
man take me and make hybrid maybe
with him and me. No, I

750
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:12.079
didn't care about that. It was
just, you know, trying to get

751
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:19.480
get through that emotional connection that these
hybrid children were creating in my family with

752
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:23.480
the stranger that had just come into
our lives. So it was tough.

753
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:30.679
Yeah. Yeah, And at this
point then it would probably there's no way

754
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.559
we're going to be able to go
over all the different interactions that then have

755
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:40.159
started happening. But we could go
over some of the bigger ones with seemingly

756
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.360
these children getting phone calls, because
then what started. First I think just

757
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:52.119
getting lots of phone calls, and
I think you guys saw more experiences than

758
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.119
to phone calls. Then a big
experience in a conference we went to where

759
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.599
a bunch of people got to see
these kids. Yeah, that is an

760
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.119
incredible experience. Let's get into that. Then when when was this and and

761
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.400
then if you can recall what happened. Are you talking about the last one,

762
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:12.280
the big one, the big one
at the conference? Yeah, Well,

763
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.519
we had seen two others. One
was picking flowers and we caught her.

764
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:17.320
One was looking in our window and
we caught her, and then we

765
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.559
got a phone call, got her
and her No, well no, we

766
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.239
caught her picking flowers and she took
off. You and we you know,

767
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:31.000
I was taking pictures of the cats
and because they were acting weird. And

768
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:35.440
then all of a sudden, the
little girls stood up from behind the grill.

769
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.639
The grill was up at the back
of the deck and there were flowers

770
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.320
there. She stood up and I
know she was holding flowers and she was

771
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.840
picking Lisa's flowers that she had planned. It's like a nosekiage in so much

772
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.119
trouble, she took off out the
gate and just vanished, and I didn't

773
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:54.519
know I had captured a picture of
her until after some friends came over and

774
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:59.440
they noticed a bouquet of flowers on
our doorstep that were left for us,

775
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:02.440
and looking through the pictures, we
saw a picture this this little girl.

776
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.360
But then there was another situation where
you know, they were I just got

777
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.000
a new camera and we were just
messing around with a camera. It was

778
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.360
dark out, and all of a
sudden, I saw a movement now one

779
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.960
of the windows, and I see
this little kid running away. They call

780
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.159
it crap, So we chased after
her and she just disappeared. And looked

781
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.840
at the pictures and you can see
her looking in the corner of the window.

782
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.960
Then we got a phone call,
and it wasn't a phone call.

783
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:35.400
Then it's a weird ability to be
able to interrupt phone conversations. And I

784
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:40.480
was talking with another friend of ours, Heidi Sudani, and I don't remember

785
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:46.159
what exactly we're talking about, but
we've got we heard this little kid's voice.

786
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:51.199
And so much stuff happens over the
phone or just in general that you

787
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:55.519
know, I mean it was your
suggestion, keep uh, digital recorders with

788
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:59.039
you and cameras with you and all
that other stuff. So we all had

789
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:05.480
digital cam digital recorders with us wherever
we go or whenever we're talking. And

790
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.320
we heard this little voice and Heidi, I couldn't find my digital recorder.

791
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:15.320
Heidi got hers out, and this
little girl told us. There's nine of

792
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:21.599
the kids, seven from the same
to each one from different. And her

793
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.840
name was Koma. She named herself. She said, my name's Kiyoma.

794
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:30.880
And for Heidi, your daughter's name
is Trilly. And apparently they picked on

795
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.920
names. And you know, they
were concerned about a conference that I was

796
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.679
going to go to and warn me
just to be careful. And then all

797
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.800
of a sudden, you know,
as time went on, I had to

798
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:49.280
do another conference and asked tech New
Mexico. And I was talking to Victoria

799
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.119
this time when we got an interrupted
phone call or an interruption on our phone

800
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:59.159
call, and we both had tape
recorders, and we heard this low voice

801
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:06.239
and screwed to get our tape recorder
and Victoria goes or I goes this Kilma,

802
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.320
and you can hear this little voice
goes yes, And I thought somebody's

803
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.199
playing a joke. I goes,
I think somebody's joking around, and Victoria

804
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.760
kept wanting to know if I had
my tape recorder. I said yes,

805
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.400
and I said, she goes,
can Kilma, can you hear us?

806
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:28.960
Yes? And then eventually I said, I think somebody's just playing around.

807
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.679
Somebody's joking around, and she goes, you're silly. This little girl voice

808
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.880
goes and I said, Okay,
if I'm so silly, if you really

809
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:37.519
are who we think you are,
then we're going to see you again next

810
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.679
time. She said, well,
we might be able to see you next

811
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:46.920
time at your talk, at your
next talk, And so we were told

812
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.599
that they might show up up to
talk at that tech conference. Before we

813
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.119
get into that, you went over
a lot of stuff, and I was

814
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.920
kind of smiling because I want to
was he pretty accurate on all of that?

815
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:04.440
Was already pretty accurate. Yes,
we're not the footprints that we got

816
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.360
molds of, but yeah, the
girl in the window that we saw left

817
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:13.199
foot prints. But anyway, we
went to as Tech for the conference expecting

818
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:19.599
to see these children, you know, hoping to at least, and we

819
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.320
actually drove out task Tech, New
Mexico and we went we decided to save

820
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:29.280
some money, and we kind of
carpooled with Paula Harris and our friend Lucy,

821
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.440
and everybody was expecting, you know, these kids just to show up,

822
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.599
and they never really showed up,
and I was getting really frustrated.

823
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:38.360
And it got to the time where
I was going to be a speaker,

824
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:43.599
and Paula was also a speaker,
and she was speaking before me, and

825
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:49.960
so I went. Our friend Lucy
started getting sick, and so I took

826
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.920
her back to the hotel and I
went to get dressed for my talk,

827
01:03:54.280 --> 01:04:00.360
and I had just gotten back and
I dropped my computer on the ground and

828
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.719
I went to pick up my computer, and as I was bending down,

829
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:09.239
I see this little kid come running
up and I just see your legs.

830
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:15.400
I'm bending down and she kind of
holds out these flowers and she goes he's

831
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.960
her for you, and I'm still
trying to fumble with my computer, and

832
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:25.599
I grab them. I said thank
you, and just then she says I

833
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.239
love you and runs away, and
I kind of look up as high as

834
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.239
I could because I'm looking for the
parents to find out, you know,

835
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.639
to thank the parents for letting their
kid give me flowers. But there's nobody

836
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.880
there and the kid's gone, and
then it dawns on me, oh my

837
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.480
god, this could be one of
the hybrid kids that I heard about.

838
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.920
Well, I'm looking all over the
place and looking all over the place,

839
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:51.000
and she's gone. So I come
in and tell Lisa, and Lisa asks

840
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:55.480
if anybody else ses her, and
I said no, and then you know,

841
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.559
we're just dumbfound it. So I'm
trying to find other people to see

842
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:03.559
if they've seeing this child. And
it's about time for it's getting closer for

843
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:08.559
me to talk, and then I'll
take lease, I'll at least to take

844
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:13.840
over from here because somebody else shows
up. So Stan was out wandering around

845
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.760
talking and this little girl comes in. And at this conference, there was

846
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.000
one child there the whole time,
and she was the little mascot in an

847
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:26.480
alien costume for the Aztec Library.
She volunteered to do it, you know,

848
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.880
just for funds. So you know, seeing this kid walk in with

849
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.960
Stan being the only speaker laught was
kind of strange. You know, there'd

850
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:40.000
been no kids, and Stan was
headed back, walked right past her.

851
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.119
She sat down and I said,
Stan, take a picture of this little

852
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.360
girl. I said, there is
something strange about her, which is like

853
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.639
a feeling that you know, I
couldn't get close to her, but there

854
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:56.760
was something very strange about her.
She's weird looking, you know, just

855
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:02.320
not homely by any means. She's
very cute, but and wasn't she kind

856
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.199
of dressed strange. She was wearing
a jumpsuit or something. It was like

857
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:10.360
a gray sweatsuit kind of jumpsuit outfit. You know, it's like a two

858
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.280
piece outfit, which is strange because
we were in Aztec, New Mexico,

859
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:19.920
and it was not cold outside.
So Stan finally he's like, find whatever.

860
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.639
She doesn't look weird to me,
nothing strange, just a normal kid

861
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:27.320
to click this picture down by his
hip. So he didn't, you know,

862
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.880
slash everybody in the face in the
audience and headed back. And then

863
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:38.159
the child just got up and walked
towards the front of the room where Paula

864
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.079
was speaking. Sam was gathering stuff, you know, his computer, getting

865
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:48.440
all this stuff ready to go,
and in the meantime, the child had

866
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:51.800
wandered towards the front. We've totally
forgot about it, you know, just

867
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:56.280
like whatever, just get on with
it. So then Stan went to talk

868
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.840
and you know, he was talking
about this child he saw the parking lot

869
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.480
with the little pigtails down by her
neck, you know, four or five

870
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:10.599
year old kid run around with no
parents. That's what happened. And then

871
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.920
you know, I did my my
my presentation, and I told everybody,

872
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:17.159
you know, I did my presentation
a little bit differently because I wanted to

873
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:20.320
find out if anybody had seen these
this kid that I saw in the parking

874
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:28.920
lot. And while I'm talking about
this, I see this very tall boy

875
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.519
walk in the back of the building, walk into the conference, you know,

876
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.440
from the back, and I swear
to god, this kid must have

877
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:40.559
been at least almost eight foot.
This mean he had to duck down.

878
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.840
He was at least seven foot toll
but eight but probably would have put he

879
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:48.920
said through the tiles. He was
very very well yeah, you know,

880
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:55.199
obviously over exaggerating, but he was
a big kid. This kid was especially

881
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.719
for his young and I could see
him, you know, you know,

882
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.800
all the way across. So when
did you get the picture before your talk?

883
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.159
Because you did get a picture.
I did. I did, And

884
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:08.800
like Lisa said, she told me
to take a picture of this. She

885
01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:10.920
goes take a picture. I go, I don't want to. She doesn't

886
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.639
look it, but she was in
the dark. She had sat down with

887
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.319
the rest of the audience and she
was watching Paula Harris talk like she was

888
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.640
looking for somebody. And I thought
she was just a normal kid. And

889
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.640
I didn't want to interrupt Paula Harris's
talk, so I put the camera down

890
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.920
by my side to kind of shield
the light a little bit, and I

891
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.920
just took a quick picture to satisfy
Lisa. And of course she looked really

892
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.279
strange in the picture. She has
these really big I mean her eyebrows go

893
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:43.720
up. Yeah, her eyebrows like
schull. It was like very high.

894
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:54.439
You could tell her a normal child. And during after my talk, we

895
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:58.600
had witnesses come forward, one of
which was a woman that said, this

896
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:00.920
child actually came down and now her
a favor and yeah, I want to

897
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:06.119
get that's a really interesting story.
Well, the woman's name was Linda,

898
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.960
and after Stands talk, she'd come
rushing back there. She said, it

899
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:12.520
didn't make sense, but now it
doesn't have to tell you this. So

900
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:15.760
she pulled stand away from everyone into
the corner of the room and she says,

901
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.199
the child sat down beside her,
and she says, can I,

902
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.479
you know, there's something I can
help you with. And she says,

903
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:27.279
I can't find my dad. And
the girl's like okay, she said,

904
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.680
and the child says, can you
give him a message for me? Chris

905
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.399
Linda's like okay, I whatever,
you know, whatever, I make this

906
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.760
kid happy at this point, So
she got a receipt and a pen out

907
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:41.760
of her purse all she had for
paper with an old receipt and started writing

908
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.760
what this kid was saying. And
she said, tell my dad, we're

909
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.600
here. We're here to help earth. Tell least of my name is Surrey,

910
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.560
and one of the boy's name is
Nadu. Yeah, tell dad,

911
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:57.720
one of the boy's name is nay
Do, and that they lived on Unach

912
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.199
whatever that is. She didn't adorem, she did under half of it,

913
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.479
couldn't sell half of it whatever,
because she was like, this kid is

914
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:10.800
just rattling. And she said,
I I asked, who is your dad?

915
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.600
And then the girl got up and
walked out just out the side door.

916
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.159
She was out and down the alan
out. So and how old did

917
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.960
this girl appear to be? Around
ten? Wow, I'd say a little

918
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:27.239
bit younger in that I thought she
looked more like maybe eight and a half

919
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:32.760
seven eight, She says ten.
Wow either way, I mean, that's

920
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:40.439
but this this woman tried to describe, and what's interesting, interesting in and

921
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.920
of itself, was the fact that
this conference was held in a mason's lodge

922
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.079
and this small town is really small, but there are almost three hundred people

923
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:54.039
there at this topo were two hundred
and like sixty people out and a lot

924
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:59.239
of people saw these these weird kids. And they described this kid as having

925
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:04.199
a was our necklace, diamond shaped
necklace on with tons and tons of uh

926
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:13.279
uhs, like led light got hummed, and sure enough on the picture you

927
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:17.119
can see it. And the woman
said it was her eyes. She said,

928
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:19.479
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't
see it with my own eyes.

929
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.399
I also had the head mason come
up to me, had tears in his

930
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.720
eyes. Literally, he was a
little weep because he was so frightened by

931
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.079
what he saw. I'd never experienced
anything like you said. That girl was

932
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:31.640
not normal. I'm telling you,
I know what I saw. That girl

933
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:38.039
was not normal. And then if
you look on the picture, the researchers

934
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.960
pointed out that she only has three
fingers in that's it. Oh really,

935
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:45.840
that's really strange. And and you
do think that the description the lady who

936
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.600
had talked to her gave was similar
to the picture. Absolutely, she said

937
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:58.479
gray sweatsuit, little, you know, triangle pendent stringing, blonde hair,

938
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:04.680
huge. I mean yeah, And
when was that conference? I don't know.

939
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:13.199
Wasn't it in May of two thousand
and nine? Yeah? That was

940
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:16.640
two because I think the book release
was in May of two thousand and nine.

941
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:20.119
Yep, so not much more than
a year ago. No, a

942
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:25.119
year and a half ago. And
I we've already, wow, gone through

943
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:31.279
a lot of time. But have
there been any incidents since? Nothing?

944
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:35.239
Nothing at asting with the children.
We've had lots of their phone calls even

945
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:40.279
Wow, nothing. We found some
weird ham prints on our window, but

946
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:44.079
you know, I mean she had
three fingers and thumbs. And you haven't

947
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.399
had an abduction experience in quite some
time either, huh No, I think

948
01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:50.960
goodness, yeah, because those are
pretty terrifying a man, well, they

949
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.319
are, and you know, some
of them are abductions, some of them

950
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:59.640
are call introductions, just because they're
a little bit different. I think I've

951
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:04.920
had to reductions that were probably military
or government or something. So it's interesting

952
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:14.800
just getting back to the hybrids,
that there was this window of a few

953
01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:19.359
years then of where somehow it seemed
they were interacting with you and you that,

954
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:28.560
I mean, that is very uncommon
in the advection world that someone would

955
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.880
get to interact with beings like this. And I think another interesting aspect too,

956
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:38.079
is just like with a lot of
your events, there were witnesses.

957
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:43.000
I hear that that's uncommon a lot. I heard that that those few words,

958
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:45.800
that's uncommon. I hear that a
lot. I mean my case is

959
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:49.159
different. My case is different because
most of the stuff that happens happens with

960
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:54.199
witnesses. This was This wasn't any
different. I mean, there were witnesses

961
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:58.319
to these hybrid kids. Also,
we just had something happen while we were

962
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:02.319
here at the you know UFO,
the mof on talk that I did they

963
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:06.279
experience stuff in the house and you
know, people saw that UFO. So

964
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:11.359
that's just the way it is around
us. And I'm grateful though, and

965
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.199
I'm sure releases because it makes it
easier on me. Number One, I

966
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.119
still am somewhat of a skeptic,
and there's no way I would have come

967
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:21.680
out with any of this if it
wasn't for the evidence. I mean,

968
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.199
that's that's the way it is.
So I'm kind of the lucky ones.

969
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.159
I guess, So, why do
you think your case is different? Do

970
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:34.680
you have any sense of that my
case is different compared to a lot of

971
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.279
other cases because there is so much
evidence, and I feel they give it

972
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.760
to me. I don't. I
mean, I don't do anything different other

973
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.000
than I just have cameras laying around
and sometimes it's almost like they wait for

974
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.680
me to go get my damn camera
or you know, wait for me to

975
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:56.720
get the video camera. They'll just
hang out and they wait for important people.

976
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.079
I'll never forget when I had my
talk in Denver and to produce Her

977
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.199
for twenty twenty was there, and
her help her from Good Morning America was

978
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:09.119
there. They were there when I
saw the UFOs over the place I was

979
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.760
doing the talk in Denver. You
know, they got to experience that.

980
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.119
They had. Some other stuff happened. There was an incident where you know,

981
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:19.159
this radio show is really rousing me
and telling everybody's full blownie. And

982
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.600
I invited them up. I said, just you don't blame me, come

983
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:26.359
up. Well they did, and
now they are my biggest supporters because they

984
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.960
had experiences while they were at the
house. Really, yeah, that's what

985
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.119
I tell people. That's why I've
gotten so many of my friends like Chuck

986
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:34.800
Sukski or my cousin Jason involved,
because it's like, look, am I

987
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.800
being booled here? I'm missing something? You know, what do you think?

988
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.279
And of course then they begin to
also experience things absolutely, you know.

989
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.560
I you know, there's always going
to be a skeptic. There's always

990
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.920
going to be somebody that's telling you
know, They're going to say I'm trying

991
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:56.800
to pull a fast one or I'm
full of blowney. But evidence speaks for

992
01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:59.279
itself. I don't have time to
do this. I mean, do you

993
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.079
how much money take to do this? For how many years? Now?

994
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.840
And who would want this kind of
attention? You know, look, it's

995
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:09.199
a whack job that sees UFOs At
this point, I don't care what people

996
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.600
think. I'm way past TUFO one
on one. They can believe it or

997
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.920
don't. I've got a message to
you know, to spread and that's what

998
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.760
I'm trying to do well, and
let's get to that. In the last

999
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:23.000
ten minutes that we have here is
the message your talk. It seems like

1000
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:28.560
it's very important to you. It's
added this section about what the message is.

1001
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:32.239
What is that that we have a
choice. Humans don't understand who they

1002
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:40.479
really are. Humans are greater than
they understand. And you know, it

1003
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.000
seems like we're being controlled, and
we don't have to put up with it

1004
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:47.279
anymore. We have these amazing abilities. We have this ability to change reality

1005
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:53.520
naturally, other things out there don't, and we can manifest what we believe.

1006
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:59.520
We ever notice how stuff in these
old science fiction movies seem to have

1007
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:01.279
come true, Well there's a reason
for that, because we are able to

1008
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:06.520
manifest what we believe. So the
people who control the human race and these

1009
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:11.119
you know, these wealthy elite,
and some say it's you know, bad

1010
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.479
e teas. I don't know.
I can't tell you for sure, but

1011
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.720
they understand this, so they try
to keep everybody in fear. And by

1012
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:20.800
keeping everybody in fear, we manifest
what we believe. So we're easy to

1013
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:25.279
control. But if we learn who
we really are and learn the gifts we

1014
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.560
have, we don't have to We
can create our own you know, Eden,

1015
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.680
we don't have to be controlled anymore. All we have to do is

1016
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:39.760
think about love and caring and understanding
and try to make the wars go away

1017
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:43.039
and try to stop the bigotry,
and you know everything will work out.

1018
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:49.039
Now, A lot of what you
said there is similar almost and for word,

1019
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.239
and partially because you've listened to the
abductions a lot, but similar,

1020
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.439
I mean regressions, similar to the
regression sessions you've had that seem almost like

1021
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:01.239
a channeling. I know you're a
little skeptical about this. How do you

1022
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:08.560
feel about the regressions? And then
how do you feel Where do you feel

1023
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.760
what you just shared? Where did
that come from? The guys up there

1024
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.399
taught me. The guys upstairs taught
me that. And it's not just me,

1025
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:23.039
it's not just I'm not the only
abductee that's getting this information. There

1026
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:27.319
is a war going on with the
There's good and bad up there, just

1027
01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:33.720
like there's good and bad here.
And you know, it's it's just information

1028
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:40.760
that's being kind of woven into all
my experiences. That's what I'm learning,

1029
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.600
and that we have a choice and
we don't have to put up with the

1030
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.760
bull crap anymore. And the other
thing, how you feel about the information

1031
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:51.079
that comes from the regressions, What
do you feel about don't j use that.

1032
01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:58.159
I still have a hard time with
that. I mean, I put

1033
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.159
the it's called the Ryan or Russians, it's it's going to be out soon.

1034
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:09.000
I put all those in the book. That's hard for me to it's

1035
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.439
still hard for me to deal with. It's hard enough for me to have

1036
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.399
to accept that ets are real and
UFO's have you know, are being driven

1037
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.960
by something and there's possible, you
know, hundreds, if not thousands,

1038
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:24.760
of not millions, of different types
of things out there. But then all

1039
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:29.520
of a sudden, I have to
start dealing with this new age junk that

1040
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.520
I'm really not comfortable with. And
Lisa laughs on me, but that's what

1041
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.680
it is. It's to me,
it's like this new age hokey pokey stuff.

1042
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:43.600
And you know, as you know, I had my first couple of

1043
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:47.000
regressions with a person named Debral Lindemann, and I relive stuff. But at

1044
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:50.399
the end of one of my at
the end of my last progression with her,

1045
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:55.479
something happened where I was not myself
and I don't remember, and my

1046
01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:00.119
mannerism has changed, and I started
talking different. You were there for of

1047
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:04.000
those recurs for just like half a
minute, and she pulled you out of

1048
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.439
it. Yeah, she got,
she got, she got kind of frightened

1049
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:10.560
and pulled me immediately out of the
regression. And then you introduced us to

1050
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.560
doctor Leo Sprinkle and he regressed us
again, and this time it happened and

1051
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.960
he ran with it. And I
thought it was under for only ten minutes,

1052
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.840
and I ended up being under for
a couple hours and all kinds of

1053
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:25.960
weird stuff happened that I had to
watch the video to see what happened because

1054
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:29.600
I didn't remember any of it.
And then you know, at least and

1055
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.079
you guys can talk about it because
it makes me uncomfortable. Well, and

1056
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:40.199
just what's interesting is in when doctor
Schmiker was doing that you, I mean

1057
01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:45.359
you, he put you under and
you go under very quickly, and once

1058
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.399
it's finished, you open your eyes
and typically asked, did I go under?

1059
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.159
Or what happened? That's hought it
fell asleep. So that's what it

1060
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:57.279
feels like to you. I mean, what is the experience like to you?

1061
01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.560
When you sit in the chair he
starts to have you go under,

1062
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:01.880
and then what do you experience?
I was, well, the first time

1063
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:09.279
it happened, I kind of remembered
you know. At first I started talking

1064
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:12.600
about some of my experiences. I
started having memories of my experiences. Then

1065
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.520
I honestly thought I fell asleep,
and I was kind of embarrassed because I

1066
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.800
was hoping I wasn't snoring, and
everybody's laughing at me. And then I

1067
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:23.760
realized thought I was under for just
a little while, and somebody woke me

1068
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:28.359
up, and then I realized it
was two hours or so. So for

1069
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:33.159
you, it's almost like you're just
taking a little nap. It's that particular

1070
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:38.760
regression. Yes, the ones that
preceded it was different. I felt kind

1071
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:44.920
of drained, and I knew something
more intense had happened. So now,

1072
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:51.000
Lisa, one thing I wanted to
mention is another thing that's different, which

1073
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:56.079
is great about your case is one
thing. Not a lot of up becties

1074
01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:03.039
have supportive spouse, absolutely, so
someone who is. I guess Another thing

1075
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:09.640
is you're so prepared, I mean
both of you two for these experiences and

1076
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:15.119
to kind of tackle them, to
you know, record them, be prepared

1077
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:20.640
to record what we are now and
to record the sounds and stuff. And

1078
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:26.960
so now you have a book coming
out where it's from your perspective, Yes,

1079
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:33.159
and that what is What do you
think is different about and special about

1080
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:40.000
having a book from a spouse.
I've never read a book written by a

1081
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:46.000
spouse of an upductee, So I
think it's important that people understand what we

1082
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.920
go through, how we have.
You know, the spouse of the abductee

1083
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:55.119
has to be very supportive, and
they're not going through it alone. The

1084
01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:59.600
spouses are being affected just as much
as the abductee, the contact, the

1085
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:01.560
experience or whatever you want to call
them, and some of the kids.

1086
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:08.159
You know, it's about the friends, the family, everyone involved. You

1087
01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:12.439
know, they all experience the fear. You know that's going on. But

1088
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:19.119
I think it's very important that other
people understand that they're not alone. You

1089
01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:23.920
know, these people who are sitting
there like I'm just going to divorce this

1090
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:29.079
guy because he's not you know,
he's crazy. He's coming back. He

1091
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:30.680
prob're out sleeping her house. Some
chick, come back, tell me he's

1092
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:33.560
abductive. You know, it's all
the stuff that, all the anger and

1093
01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:39.079
the frustrations that the spouses do feel, and they do think it, they're

1094
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.840
just too afraid to say it,
so they make up some story and just

1095
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.840
say, you know, it's just
too much. He's crazy, she's crazy,

1096
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:49.079
whatever, can't do it. And
you know it's time for these people

1097
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:55.079
to stop getting divorced just because they
don't know how to deal with it.

1098
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.439
They're too afraid, they don't have
anyone to talk to. You know,

1099
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:02.520
I didn't either, But you know, my book just talks about how to

1100
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:11.399
learn from those things that you've experienced
and grow into understanding and and to let

1101
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.479
go of that fear so that you
can move on with what you need to

1102
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.399
be doing, which is loving and
how in how to deal with it.

1103
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.079
It's kind of like a self help
book, but she's not, well,

1104
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:28.039
it's not. It's it's how to
survive your spouse. Theduction that help book

1105
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:31.640
isn't it self help spouses? That's
a self help book? What would you

1106
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:35.399
call that? Then? How to
Okay? How to book? That's funny.

1107
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:38.520
I'm glad you brought that up.
Did you keep saying that? You

1108
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:42.199
keep saying it's not a self help
book, it's a how to book?

1109
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.600
Another you know, when it wasn't
twenty twenty, it was going to be

1110
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:48.800
twenty twenty, but it was some
other NBC show, right, that was

1111
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.479
a story in and of itself.
Prime Time did a special and they made

1112
01:24:55.520 --> 01:25:01.880
you come across as more of you
know, a llay spouse who is standing

1113
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:06.359
behind her man. But they kind
of also made it come across as you're

1114
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:13.159
having to take what he's saying completely
on faith, which isn't necessarily the case.

1115
01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:15.000
So because you had a lot of
your own experience, it's right off

1116
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.479
the bat you saw at UFO,
you explained at the beginning of the show.

1117
01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:24.119
Yes, but it goes further than
that because I get angry when they

1118
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:28.800
say a spouse is the worst witness. Why because they think all spouses are

1119
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:34.079
going to lie since their husbands or
wives are more believable. That's crazy,

1120
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:38.399
right, The spouse is the one
who sleeps with them for eight hours a

1121
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.600
night, you know. I mean
that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever

1122
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:45.199
heard. And it just oh well, as we can hear with the show,

1123
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:48.479
which is an important aspect. I
think having you on is that you're

1124
01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.920
not afraid to have a different opinion
than standing. Oh, she has a

1125
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:57.880
different opinion all the time, trust
me. So he's saying, oh,

1126
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.239
I saw this and that, and
you're like, no, I don't think

1127
01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:02.039
that's what it is. You're not
afraid to say, I don't agree that

1128
01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:05.560
that's what that was. She does
she helps, but she helps keep me

1129
01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:10.640
grounded and she believed in this stuff
where I didn't, So that helped me

1130
01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:18.000
through this process. And you know, she will stick up for what she

1131
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:21.199
believes in. And I think that's
awesome, and you know, we need

1132
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:25.319
more people like that. Okay,
So I have a question. Did I

1133
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:29.479
answer your question? Did I just
get sidetracked with the man? You definitely

1134
01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:31.520
answered the question. No, great, Thank you very much. You definitely

1135
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.840
answered the question, and you answered
all of my questions so wonderfully. And

1136
01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:40.000
now we are completely out of time. You both did. This was a

1137
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:41.880
lot of fun, and this is
great. I think people are going to

1138
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.079
be aided a lot because, of
course you have dout the hybrid thing is

1139
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.600
pretty fringe. I mean it's pretty
out there, but I mean it's something,

1140
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:54.479
it's real, it's happened. It's
an interesting aspect of what happened.

1141
01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:58.159
And here again there were other witnesses. What about this isn't fringe though.

1142
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:02.199
I mean, this whole thing is
free and it's becoming more and more mainstream.

1143
01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:05.239
But it happens. It happens all
the time, and if people don't

1144
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.640
want to believe it. Well,
I don't know what to tell them.

1145
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:14.600
Yeah, jumps, So get the
book. Yeah, to get the books.

1146
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:18.640
There's Lisa's book coming out very soon. Stan just talked about the Orion

1147
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:24.039
Regressions, which are the transcripts of
the Regressions coming out. And then you

1148
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:28.520
also have another one coming out which
is Explain that other one. This one

1149
01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:31.880
is called Answers. It's a it's
more than just a continuation of my book

1150
01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:39.640
Messages it. Actually they're giving me
answers to questions and they're telling us basically,

1151
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:43.119
I'm learning who we are, who
these human race is, and you

1152
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:47.840
know our place in this and how
we can amazingly change quantum reality naturally so

1153
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:53.720
we don't have to put up with
this bulk blowney anymore. So thanks for

1154
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.640
having us on the show. An
Yeah, and there's one more thing coming

1155
01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:01.600
up, which is these guys are
filming us right now. Could a documentary

1156
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:11.319
a documentary. There's a documentary,
feature film or documentary coming out hopefully by

1157
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:15.079
next spring. We think it'll be
out and they're filming it right now.

1158
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:20.119
And they were filled. They started
filming at the move On Phoenix move On

1159
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:25.319
talk that I did and they're gonna
follow us home and follow us around a

1160
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:29.239
while. And these guys are good
guys. I'm excited to see this seven

1161
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.560
years in the progress and finally filming
has begun. Yeah, I know,

1162
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:36.039
it's very exciting. It's going to
be great to have their documentary out so

1163
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.880
people can see what's going on.
Yeah, they're called J three, a

1164
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:44.359
great bunch of guys. And you
can check all of our facebooks because they're

1165
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:46.680
posting stuff on Facebook and they're going
to be go to the website tracking on

1166
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:51.399
our Facebook and people can find out
about all of this at Stanromaneck dot com.

1167
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:58.159
Absolutely on my website www dot Standromaneck
dot com dot com. All right,

1168
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.279
cool, well, thank you guys. Thanks thanks for having us again.

1169
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:09.479
Okay, excited about the film.
Jthreifilms dot com is their website if

1170
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.439
you want to go see more about
that. I think they've finished all of

1171
01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.720
their shootings, so the documentary should
be coming out soon. That's gonna be

1172
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:24.039
fun. Next week Michael Horn and
the debate on Billy Meyer. Can he

1173
01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:27.880
convince me back into the Billy Meyer
camp? We shall see. Thank you

1174
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.279
for listening. Don't forget to check
Openminds. Dot tv for the latest in

1175
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.000
UFO news. Audios muchachos,