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a little bit closer. But speaking
of movies, last night, we were

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invited to go see The Iron Claw, the world premiere of the Hidden Movie.

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You don't know that. It will
be at the Texas Theater, the

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beautiful Texas Theater. I'd never been
for whatever reason, to the Texas Theater.

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I'd never been. That is a
jewel. It's incredible. It's right

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on Jefferson Ave down in Oak Cliff. I'll start there at that place was

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looking good. They had it all
so I didn't know how like the setup

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was going to be. But obviously
the Marquis was all perfect, you know,

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the Iron Claw. Welcome to Van
Eric Country. The other side said

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they decked it out all the neon
was working properly in a huge uh I

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think it was green, but red
carpet area off to the right with man

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tons of press. It was.
It was bigger than I pictured in my

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head, like the world premiere movie
night in Dallas, Texas. I didn't

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know if it was just a nod
to Texas, but this was like the

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real national world. I don't know, the first time it had ever been

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screened to the public. Yeah,
national outlets all over this and Entertainment tonight

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was there. This is a December
twenty second release. So, as we

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said yesterday, I've never seen a
movie this early, you know, I've

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never I've never been the first,
you know, first person to see it.

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And that's why I'm excited about this. We're the first people doing a

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live radio review of The Iron Flaw. And by the way, the actors

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strike, which says real quick,
the actors strike ended last night too.

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Like I got home and opened up
my phone and I was like, oh,

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the actress strikes over after one hundred
and eighteen days. So the writer's

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struck over. The actors made a
deal after one hundred and eighteen days.

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Yeah, they have live or video
of Jeremy Allen White on the red carpet

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being told by a reporter that the
actor strike was over and that was his

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first time hearing it, and he
said, cool, dude, put two

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thumbs up. That's right right as
the audio you showed me earlier. Yeah,

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we deemed it not worthy of air, but thanks for reenacting it,

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we say, Katie will just reenacted. We don't even play the audio.

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I'm a good actor and I've always
said that it's not that hard to be

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a good actor. Agreed, they're
a tremendous actor. So the place looked

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amazing. It was there. It
was all blocked off, kind of like

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the street was half blocked off.
There's a lot of fans standing across the

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street. We had a little security
side entrance to kind of go into.

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I don't know everything about it was
bigger than I expected. It was just

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cool. It was good to see
Dallas looking fine, and good to see

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the Texas Theater looking gorgeous. That
place with a long, wild history.

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It's just really cool for it to
be the site of something this big.

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I thought about this, excuse me
leading up to it. I wonder if

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the actors that were there last night, and we'll get to that in a

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moment, but yeah, the main
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were there, and I wonder if
they were fully aware of the history of

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that theater, if they had been
briefed on that. Certainly, right,

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despite sitting in separate rows, I'm
very much closer than yours. I had

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the exact same thought from my incredibly
good vantage point of the film, and

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I was wondering if somebody would stand
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give a quick reset of that,
like why Dallas, Texas, which becomes

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obvious if you see the film,
but why the Texas Theater? And yes,

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like a one minute recap of the
significance of that theater historically and just

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how long it's been there. But
that didn't happen, So I don't know

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that at all, probably not.
I fully expected the guy. So they

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had the guy that kind of mceed
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of the director, some dudes with
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I guess he's their media critic down
there. He came up to bring them

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on stage, and I was really
surprised that he didn't say something to the

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effect of, you know, I
can't believe that it's sixty years ago this

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month that you know, blah blah, Lee Harvey Oswald, Kennedy, all

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that happened this month in November,
and not one mention of the history of

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why it was being held there.
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because we discussed this briefly prior to
the movie beginning, I don't know who

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that crowd was, Like I think
and we I think you and I disagree

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slightly. I think it was more
and we have JJ who can probably answer

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all this and please do. I
think it was almost more industry types from

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la or wherever A twenty four is
based that flew in for this than Dallas

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sites in there. Not certainly there
was a lot of people from this area,

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but I feel like it was more
people from you know that would come.

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They would come to a movie premiere. They're like what Dallas? Why?

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Okay, Sure, it was a
mix. Especially seeing it at the

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after party, I saw a lot
of people who I know from the area

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media wise, and then I saw
like Andrew Frond if you know who he

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does this nation, he fluent like
he came in and yeah, yeah,

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you're saying a few people from outskirts
here obviously because it's you know, it's

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a premiere, it's a it's a
world premiere. Because during the opening credits,

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you know in every movie they show
like five production companies and you're like,

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why is this? They were getting
weird applause and yeah, right,

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weird for random. Yeah, it
was like house productions. I think that's

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it's kind of exhausting. I think
that's kind of a given when you have

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something that is like, uh,
like a world premiere, that it is

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going to be a lot of industry
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the making of the film in some
tangential manner that you know, people from

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a twenty four Like you said,
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but I feel like it was I
felt like the majority, and even if

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it be a slight majority, were
people that were from Dallas socialite types,

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people that may own lucrative real estate
firms, law firms, people with big

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business in dow Us that have the
connections to be able to maybe that people

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would reach out to. And it's
the beautiful people that we don't rub brush

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shoulders with in our line of work
and in our lifestyles that are hanging out

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and uptown and all of these these
clubs that you hear about but you just

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never go. It was definitely the
beautiful people, which does explain why they

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put you guys in the absolute dead
last. He's not ever going to shut

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up about something so insignificant when he
was literally two rows in front of us.

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I told the bathroom and they stopped
me. I was like, hey,

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guys, and I looked at the
screen and then I look back at

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that JJ was on the second row
because she's big time in forty Answer one

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question, yes or no? Okay? Were there any two seats in the

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entire theater closer to the bathroom than
the two that these guys were sitting,

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which was a convenience That was actually
a because it was tough to get into

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the bathroom, so it was very
convenient for you, Lathom. I told

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Danny to request exactly pay a picture. As a matter of fact, we

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were initially by Ashton given your tickets, and because Kevin has micro bladder,

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we swapped him out so nobody would
know. And our tickets came with wristbands

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to the after party, yours didn't. Do you think Jeremy Allen White needs

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to wear a wristband and get in
the after party. I don't need a

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risk band to get into the after
party. Oh boy, you sure did.

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JJ had a wristband, didn't you? I did, Well, I

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don't. They looked at me and
they're like, well, who's gonna stop

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this guy trying to do anything?
JJ? Did you see Mike at the

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after party? I didn't. I
was interesting. I didn't go. I

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went to a different after party that
you guys wouldn't even know about Yeah,

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in my bed with Simon telling him
I love him forever, I love you

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forever and ever that all right,
let's get to the damn movie The Iron

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Claw. Should we take turns?
Because I think we're gonna have some differing

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viewpoints here. Okay, let me
preface something here as a full setup.

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I'm thirty five. I've worked with
older people, seemingly my entire adult life,

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and someone like Ben Rodgers, who
was there last night on the been

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In Skin Show, who was a
big von eric fan growing up, but

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as a guy who only liked wrestling
for a couple of years when I was

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like twelve, in the era of
Stone Cold, the Rock Cane, Undertaker,

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Mankind, gold Dust. Okay,
so a lot this form of wrestling

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a little foreign to me outside of
what we've heard our good listener and friend

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Brody talk about. So first and
foremost went in knowing some of the history

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about the von Erics, but not
the details very clearly, and just kind

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of didn't want to know going to
watch the movies. I just wanted to

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take it for what it was.
And I want to say that I think

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anyone who is under the age of
forty and might have heard their parents talk

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about the von Erks. Should go
see this movie just for that alone.

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Before I talk about anything about the
movie. I want to get that out

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there because I think there's a lot
of people who are younger Zach Effron's age

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in real life who just like,
the hell the von Erics. What a

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wrestling? Regional wrestling? What's that
even mean? And I think it's this

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helps you. It made it very
easy to go understand what's going on and

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follow along with the story if you
didn't know the ins and outs of it.

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I think that's a good point,
a fair point. It's a broad

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because it's different. I mean,
here, the von Eriks are you know,

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to at least one generation of people. Gods, yes, And that

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doesn't apply to me because I wasn't
here at the time age wise, Danny,

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I guess it could apply to you, but it's not right in my

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wheelhouse. The problem for me was
with wrestling. I was way into it

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in the early eighties or mid eighties, early eighties, kind of like in

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their heyday that the thing was growing
up out in you know, central West

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Texas. We didn't get Dallas local
channels. We did not we got which

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TAF we got Abilene, but like
the sublocal channels like your Channel twenty one's

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Channel twenty seven's where the Sportatorium events
would have been televised, we did not

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have access to those. The only
wrestling that I had access to was from

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the superstation WTBS at the time Turner
Broadcasting Network out of Atlanta, So we

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had wrestling from the omni and our
mercer, Bill Mercerill mercer. Our Bill

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mercer in my wrestling world was Gordon
Soley. He was the announcer. He

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was the guy that interviewed the wrestlers. So I wasn't privy to Dallas wrestling.

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Of course, I knew who the
von Erics were, and you would

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see them in news clippings and ever
once in a while they might when they

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would tour that you might see them
fight the fabulous free Birds. But it

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wasn't a cultural thing for me growing
up where I was just all van Erks

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all the time. In my wrestling
circle. I want KT to go first,

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Okay, I fing loved it and
I don't even care if there are

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some inaccuracies that I'm not sure of. I think hardcore wrestling people may have

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some questions about what did that happen? Did that happen? Did he go

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down like this? I thought it
was awesome, And I think for a

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story that does have that many dark
moments in it, it never dragged.

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I mean that was I was never
sitting there looking at my watch like can

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we go and I get up early
tomorrow morning? I mean, is pretty

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in that entire time. I thought
it was great. Thought the performances were

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great. It's a great casting job. I want to give Lily James a

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bit of a shout out as Pam
Kevin on Eric's Wife, because she looks

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nothing like she did when she was
Pamela Anderson and Pam and Tommy on it.

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He plays Pam's Yeah, it's her
thing. Yeah. When they make

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the Office movie, she's actually playing
Jenni Fisher's role. I man, I

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walked out of that thing. And
maybe it's just being there and it being

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a special event last night and getting
to see something a month before the rest

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of the world could see it.
But I told you guys, there are

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no five dumplings because nothing is perfect. Four and a half out of five

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dumplings. Wow, four and a
half out of five loved it all right?

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And I don't even like wrestling that
much. I don't care about it.

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I think that's interesting. Yeah,
I wonder if that how much that

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impacts things. UH did not love
it, did not hate it. I

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thought it was so close. I
thought they missed the mark, but they

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were so close to hitting it.
Man, I agree with Kevin really well

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cast. I thought the sleeper performance
was Harris Dickinson, who played David,

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the guy that really wasn't into wrestling
but wanted to play in a rock band.

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I thought his performance was outstanding.
I thought it was too long,

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and not because of the duration of
the film, but because I thought that

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with the limited the way they kind
of microscoped, or the way they condensed

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all of this vast material, they
could have made it even even shorter film.

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I thought with that, with a
running time of two hours and ten

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minutes, I thought they could have
hit on some some more threads that they

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left out. I think they could
have expounded on some some storylines that that

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might have been more relevant to to
the overall narrative. One of the problems

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that I did have is I feel
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film as far as consulting, and
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wanted to pay so much respect to
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think there was so much deference paid
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that ideal, that they avoided getting
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at what a at the tragedy of
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glossed over. Some of the darkness
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the suicidal aspects of this film were
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it didn't feel real. I never
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movie, and I don't like that. I want to get lost in it.

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I want to feel like I am
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I thought I was kind of watching
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the hairstyles were funny and maybe not
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a caricature of that era to me, without being funny. But that's like

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analytical garbage that nobody really cares about. I enjoyed the film. I think

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I would have enjoyed it better had
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I think they had an opportunity there, and they just missed it. But

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it was good. It wasn't great. You ready, she can't, she

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can't. Jjy's a part of the
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as part of the press, No, she can foreign press. I'll say

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this because I tweeted this j on
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Really? I was thinking that too. I can see it without seeing Killers

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of the Flower Moon. Yet I
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it really the best movie I've seen
it outside, man, I had one

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Tenny caveat Outside of a couple of
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be CGI or or actually a set
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feel like Dallas was represented in the
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lot of ranch stuff people on ranches, But outside of a couple of aerial

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skyline shots and then the skyline behind
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I ever thought, oh wow,
there's Dallas at all. Yeah, there

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was a great external shot a couple
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anyone who has been to the Sportatorium
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see this movie and that will give
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I assume that's exactly what it looked
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heard that it was reversed. That
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look at the entrance of the Sportatorium, the front facade, the skyline in

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the background. It was supposed to
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that if you were at the rear, looking at the rear of the

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Sportatorium, then you would have seen
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at South Doubt. It had a
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g I Old and the Old Dallas
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There's a couple helicopter drone shots of
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it was really cool. That's us
to nitpick the rest of the nation,

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doesn't. That's just me local dingu
making a studio a Christmas time release that

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I think that's important. Yeah,
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a holiday blockbuster film potentially. Yeah. I just felt like, if it's

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going forward, it's such a tragic, dark, horrible story and it didn't

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impact me as such. I felt
like it they could have gone to some

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deeper, darker levels to really send
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saying, but I disagree with that
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the whole thing was I didn't love
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It's more excited maybe than you guys, because I like wrestling and I just

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watched it. And maybe it's because
I just watched a documentary on the von

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eerics of the night before to get
my head right for it, because a

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couple of the tenants of the movie
are I know, to be false in

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a good movie, right from Trevian
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that there's no von Eric curse.
There never was one. But in the

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movie it's all about this family's cursed. And I get it. I get

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you have to embellish. But and
maybe it's because that I knew I was

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in real time noticing things that were
inaccurate. There's no doubt you were doing.

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And I think Kevin's and Danny's to
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because they're watching from a different viewpoint. I mean, there was a von

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Eric brother that was not in this
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suicide, was never mentioned. I
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like, what I thought? I
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the director had made a comment about
that. There was an article came out

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he said he didn't add him in
because of time. Yeah. I knew

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that watching it live. And it's
like, did this movie need another brother

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that they loved the committed suicide that
shot himself in the head, right,

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Like we had that a plenty.
Yeah, rule of threes. But I

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thought the movie was I guess by
design slow. Fine, Yeah, it

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was sad. Obviously, it's an
incredibly sad story. But Christine and I

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talked about this, dude, I
warned her before the movie. I'm like,

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and she knows it. I'm like, I cry, I'm a crier,

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and if this movie is a jerker, I told her to go ahead

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and take a picture of me when
I'm balling. It might be funny because

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I cry. I never even came
close to crying for a movie that that's

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sad, and I never came close. I did, Yeah, I did

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too, Yeah, okay, and
that's yeah, there's no right or wrong

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here. It's obviously different viewpoints.
You guys all have like good valid points,

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but you also have to keep in
mind of it's based on a true

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story. I think people forget that
this is still Hollywood. No, you

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you know fee to you know that
Hollywood crowd, and yet they're taking bits

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and elements of their people's lives to
create this story. Thinking like people thinking

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this is exactly how it went.
No, that's why they put based on

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a true story. At the beginning
of it, I've always known this is

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actual everything that yeah, of course, that's that's understood for sure, and

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I know that I don't, like
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in the way of a good movie. And I'm fine with that elimination of

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Chris, okay with that. The
problem was the actual story is so much

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more impactful and emotion pulling than what
they adapted. Like, if you just

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tell the story and make it feel
real, then that's enough, man,

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and that's gonna kick you in the
gut. I think the emotion would have

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been offset by a higher highlighting of
their rise to power and when they're at

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the top, which was essentially just
kind of covered in a montage with Rush

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playing. You know, like the
Freebirds. Again, I don't need a

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wrestling documentary, but their battle with
the Freebirds was fun and funny and that's

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what sparked their popularity in this town
and that nationally. And the Freebirds were

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just in a match at one point
randomly, and that's okay. I don't

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need it. It's not a document
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Rick Flair, and even the guy
who played Rick Flair. I was like,

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I don't know, this is kind
of how I think. I'm like,

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you have to nail Rick Flair.
He was there, by the way,

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the guy who played Rika. I
also think this is this reminded me

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of a little bit of of the
Queen Movie because some of the kickbacks I

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was getting from people and could I
think Skin is the one I think talked

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about it with the last time when
the Queen Movie came out, and he

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was like, there's just so much
they left out, and I was like,

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you can't tell that story. And
this is why TV shows are getting

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increasingly more popular than movies. You
need ten hours, you can need ten

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episode. You can't tell your life
story in two hours. You just can't.

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You have to. You have to
figure it out. And yeah,

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and then on top of that,
because he's von Eric, Kevin is so

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involved in this movie, like y'all
say, you have to think of him,

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to think of how he's sitting there
and having to relive thought of him

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the entire time moment like these these
tragic moments of his life. Yeah,

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and he was witting right there the
people he cared for the most. He

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has to say, here, we
live it. And I thought that the

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director did a great job of kind
of tatering in that, but also still,

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look, you know, I think
they did that to the detriment of

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the film. I do. I
think they catered too much to the emotion

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and and what Kevin Vaughan Eric would
think having a relive those real, real

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moments, and they avoided making a
real, real film. And it's fine,

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it's a good movie. It's cool. I liked it enough. I

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didn't love it. It could have
been better, in my opinion. I

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went in with incredibly high expectations and
I enjoyed it, no doubt. And

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maybe I was just throughout it.
I was thinking the whole time Kevin,

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Like I was thinking of Kevin sitting
there going O, well, that didn't

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happen Nope, that's not true at
all. Well, my brother is just

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eliminated from this movie. Look,
I'm gonna you should go see it.

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I'm just ember twenty second it comes
out. It's fun, it was great,

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and go absolutely anything at the Texas
Theater. We can't thank enough for

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inviting us as well. I mean, I'll give it three dumplings. Oh

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yeah, three three dumpling. Yeah, I'm with you. I should backfuddled.

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Four. JJ is not allowed to
assign dumplings until some of the release.

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I'll break it down for you.
We might need some more because we

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didn't really talk to zach Efron's or
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Yeah, we'll get some of that
at nine after pictures glids, we'll get

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in a little bit of that.
But let's do ding' good morning news up

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a little bit. Yeah, sure, sure yet boy, driverless ride shares

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are going well. Oh

