WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.919 Hello how about very good afternoon, I am Karran Ramírez and we are in 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:06.280 one more broadcast dir radio design him in your ears here in the new season 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.160 that we are recording in capo worked here in the show room that they have 4 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:12.400 in San Luis, Potosí one hundred and three in the Colonia Roma. So 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:15.720 come and take a turn, because there' s high- design furniture. 6 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:18.559 So I wouldn' t doubt anything if they went for a ride, because 7 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.960 they might like something for their case, for their projects. So come for 8 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.839 a ride. And because I am very happy because today is with me someone 9 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.359 who I have seen his work countless times at Designe Wick, but I had 10 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.719 never had the opportunity to interview her or decorate her in person. But there 11 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.759 he is with me, Claudia Ramirez of Creative Iato. How you doing, 12 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.200 Claudia, all right. Thank you very much for the invitation. No thanks 13 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.719 to You. We were already made to meet you Jazz, we weren' 14 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.280 t made to be here with you. Yes, we' ve done as 15 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.000 the liaison, but we haven' t hired him. Thank you very much, 16 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:51.960 Axon No. Thank you so much for being here. I' m 17 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.439 the biggest fan of your work, because I always see it in design Wick. 18 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.840 I said she has to be with me and no more. I' 19 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:00.159 m glad you' re here. Thank you very much. I feel like 20 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.399 I' m here. It' s amazing the shown tay how good you 21 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.560 like very nice things. Decapo will work such a sora that you might as 22 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.319 well come this way. So little of course, some wink here, a 23 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:12.400 wink here would be very good. He' d be a pain in the 24 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.879 ass. Va hey, so I, who I, would like to start 25 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:22.159 this amazing conversation with you by asking you who Claudio Ramirez is. Claudia Ramírez 26 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:30.280 is a rugged designer of literal design. Okay, I' m a graphic 27 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.519 designer. Or I' m a graphic designer by profession. Uh- huh, 28 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:40.799 but I did practice design for a year, a graphic design as such 29 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:47.319 I didn' t love, it wasn' t, I think, what 30 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.159 I expected and I started working a little bit on textile design. Specializes in 31 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.920 textile design. In fact, almost all my life, i e my eighty 32 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:59.200 percent of my career has been textile design and design clothes, this one of 33 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:06.159 lis brands said this and I had some line of clothes myself and there came 34 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:10.080 a time when it was too many years tired and many themes and I left 35 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:16.639 it, I suspended it and jumped here to the industrial design, to the 36 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:23.479 interior design and, well, more than anything, to the Mexican or handcrafted 37 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:24.479 design how interesting, but well you followed in the same line of design. 38 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:28.199 Yes, yes, obviously, yes he says, design is the basis, 39 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:32.919 design is the answer. It said over there they say Wig no to this 40 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:36.479 one. Yes, the design went to the base, you hear, but 41 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.840 what a change or graph and then to textile design, then, then, 42 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.719 already to interior designs or more and industrial design, you hear, what a 43 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:46.000 father. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she' s been through all the 44 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.439 designs. In fact, I think almost the amount is taken away. Yeah, 45 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.560 yeah, yeah, it was from the automotive. Oh, yeah, 46 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.000 yeah, I see it' s complicated. Yeah, I' m into 47 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.800 formula one, but I' m not supposed to design automatio while I' 48 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.960 m there. Yeah, that' s exactly right, and it' s 49 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:07.560 just that my dad is amazing and how were your beginnings just already in the 50 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.840 design would induce here, that is, what was the parteagua to tell you 51 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.039 I' m going down this line. I' ve always had this little 52 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:21.879 taste for the theme of design or theme made by hand. The craft thing 53 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.400 I love. I always liked it a lot at some time. Obviously, 54 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:32.800 like everyone else, I was a fan of Frida Kahlo and my bedroom and 55 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.560 everything was like this the Blue House in Chiquito. So I' ve always 56 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:44.759 been very interested in the local theme, the craft theme. And already after 57 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:50.879 this lapse, as well as tiredness of the same textile design, I began 58 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.560 to explore a little bit already in depth the handmade theme, but already with 59 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:02.039 artisans and we began to probe Erick and I believe and that is my partner 60 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:09.039 husband, that is my spoof. It is possible, yes, so we 61 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:15.759 know it with my espioo and we start looking, to do a little scouting 62 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.600 with what we wanted to do, because we are both in little. He 63 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:25.279 agreed that we were on a job issue, we were fed up, and 64 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.199 then we decided to prescribe and start from scratch. Then we started looking for 65 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.560 artisans. What we can do, how we can do it, what could 66 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:38.240 be returned with a local theme that was current or had a little validity, 67 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.800 not how we could transform it, and so we began to look for artisans 68 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.319 in warrior say. I remember the first Artesons, the ones that went to 69 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.920 us make hats, but it wasn' t what we wanted. And so 70 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.959 looking we arrived with the right artisans and started making these panels that we now 71 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.560 make. We' ve moved on to other things later. But that' 72 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:05.600 s how we started this approach, with contemporary craft design. Let' s 73 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.240 call him that, wow, what a father and at what point you said 74 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.079 I' m going to sell myself out to participate in Design Wick. I 75 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.720 wanted to participate from day one, that is, I was out there and 76 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:20.120 participated. I could see myself if I didn' t. I always wanted 77 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.519 to be in disign Wick. I used to say that in Disigne House it 78 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.519 ' s got one thing from us, whatever a small panel or accessory or 79 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.920 whatever it wasn' t. Suddenly we start with unpublished. In fact, 80 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:42.560 the Santwick. Our first participation was unpublished in the 19th and we started with 81 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.759 an accessory with a basket that had like thousands of fibers, had zacate, 82 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:53.639 had, was like a Freddy Kruger in basket Ok, was a basket that 83 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.800 was like a sample of all the fibers that we wanted and we could work. 84 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:04.120 That was our first work in unpublished and from there we went like a 85 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:09.600 little to make known the brand, to the capacities that we could do, 86 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.319 that neither we had discovered them to a hundred and started to work and began 87 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:19.600 to give new projects. It was a very good platform for us in exhibition 88 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:28.759 script for iato and from there we started to jump to other segments that have 89 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.319 say Wig not all the events that it has and suddenly one day vero González 90 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:39.199 of VGZ that the noro and I love it is the maximum. He invited 91 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:43.879 us to participate in a house design. We have not participated and invited us 92 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.800 to participate making a lattice of the pause space that did call him and we 93 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:54.600 started there at disen House, making this divine lattice that was incredible, the 94 00:06:54.680 --> 00:07:00.120 combination of textures, muddled the palm. Of course, this was a space 95 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.439 that was the center of all the spaces where converg was a convergence space and 96 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.879 we liked it very much and from there many things were detonated. I mean, 97 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.680 we started working on that space when it came out well, it opened 98 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.319 Design House And after that, I think there was a before and after An 99 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.639 House sedis good there, yeah, yeah, there was a before and after. 100 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.000 Yes, and yes, the truth is, I mean, he' 101 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.519 s very grateful to see Design House with design Wick have always been very supportive 102 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.199 of us, they' ve always trusted our work. Disend Wick put the 103 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:46.199 eye on us and the truth is that there is a big difference since we 104 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.399 were in House design. So it' s a very successful bet and it 105 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.959 ' s an amazing platform. I mean whoever wants to participate, the truth 106 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.800 is he knows, yes, he knows how to play and he knows and 107 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.800 he has a good no and you have a product that happens to become differential, 108 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.120 not clear, because even if you want and you want to take advantage, 109 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:07.279 because you need to have differential, I don' t think. And 110 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.720 then I think that' s what turned out to be to us, because 111 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.839 we have a material that wasn' t very visible, that wasn' t 112 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.800 in the eye of the hurricane, that we were as much as very researched 113 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:24.279 already with the communities by us and people don' t know it, that 114 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.120 is, they know the palm and they think it' s a basket or 115 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.120 they think it' s a fan or anything simpler. There he stays and 116 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:35.480 I believe that all the skills and all these ancestral abilities they have in the 117 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.960 communities have more to go. We need to get into research, work, 118 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:46.759 do fieldwork. It is nothing more this design, because we have found in 119 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:52.559 this scouting many products and many things that have incredible potential to be able to 120 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:58.159 continue creating. Sure, then, if that' s coming back, I 121 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.240 swerved out, no, but that' s what happened. I mean, 122 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.720 that' s why we started saying hous we already have unpublished in hous and 123 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:13.600 last year it was like an explosion, because it just coincided that we had 124 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.159 a community in querétaro invite us to vision and tradition. Then it was vision 125 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:22.000 and tradition Design House unpublished. The containers, I mean, we were checking 126 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.000 every event full yes, last year, if it' s all you do, 127 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.799 I don' t know, I don' t know you look. 128 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.039 These leaves, I mean, they' ve been sotovías since October, the 129 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.360 migraines that I can' t take away. The truth is, yes. 130 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:41.440 It' s very rewarding, it' s very exhausting, very much because, 131 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.759 I mean, all events require a hundred percent and you' re in 132 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.519 five, that is, you have to kick this one out. But well, 133 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.080 the truth is, very happy. I think the key was organization. 134 00:09:54.639 --> 00:10:00.639 We had an impeccable organization. If we hadn' t succeeded in this, 135 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.559 Chan Designe House, for example, we had seven spaces intervened. In that 136 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:11.080 case no and already to the last this disin wick gave us this a corridor 137 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.039 that connected just with everything we had, or eighty percent of what we had 138 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.279 of intervention with other architects, not as tangible space, like MOVE, like 139 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:30.120 several this several offices. Not then did they give us that space to make 140 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.879 the connection and have as this dialog look what you' re going to see 141 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.519 as an intro to what came from the other offices. We haven' t 142 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:43.279 got that space yet. So this one when we were told they have space 143 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.120 and they can intervene. Degenitated. We are a few days away, because 144 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.919 I don' t know what we did or it' s coming we did 145 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.480 it and it came out amazing and we are very happy because it has been 146 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.879 a great experience in all aspects. I mean, well- known people the 147 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.279 brand has known on the products. We mastered a lot of things have come 148 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:13.039 out that' s an important asset of disignt Wick what you do after seeing 149 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.120 a product for you. I mean, it' s a lot of times 150 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:22.440 that you work with interior designers and they come up with things that weapons and 151 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.279 you end up marketing a product. I mean, it' s a good 152 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.000 expoltion, but it' s also a good market. No, I mean, 153 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.919 yeah, it really sells is a later product. So for us we 154 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.240 love it, we love the whole proposal is amazing. The truth is, 155 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.879 they did very well. And yes, the truth is that last year we 156 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.759 were in design and as every year we did see iato everywhere. That' 157 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.080 s how I see it, but it' s how they did it, 158 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.919 that' s, like we didn' t ask. The last event was 159 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:56.039 the container. Closing to the literal container I swear to you, closing the 160 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.279 container we get in the car and I, with my grocer like this for 161 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.240 days. I mean, yes, it was very intense, but very rewarding. 162 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.759 Not that good. I' m very glad that this platform that San 163 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.639 Wick has been a catapult for you and that it continues to do so and 164 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.799 that you continue to make a nice community. There at the hop Now, 165 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.320 yes, the young man is amazing. The truth. The Hobbes has done 166 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.879 independently of the proposal it has as gallery and the proposal as design space. 167 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:31.879 It is a collaborative space, very collaborative. There is an environment of respect 168 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.320 for many interactions, some brands. We already collaborated with maco choir of buco 169 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.600 wad We have already done several things together, but now we are doing some 170 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.639 things with the pleasures of life, for example, not that it is also 171 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.480 a Mexican design store, so we are doing some things with them. This 172 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.799 silver read is serrasana, it is middle rooster that is basically contained and do 173 00:12:52.879 --> 00:13:00.360 an amazing branding work with important and good parts. I think this interaction has 174 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.639 also been made when there is some opening of laboratode exhibitions, for example, 175 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:11.320 because we all open up for people to come to know the proposals, so 176 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.879 it is a place of creative integration, very, very, very interesting. 177 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:20.600 How cute, what a father you' re doing in that community, because 178 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.440 many times you think you' re done saying Wood is all over, not 179 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.879 until the year that comes in. I don' t think they do follow 180 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.399 him up and more now with the HOP. I feel that if you are 181 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.279 as well as already bringing together more the creative community that you have managed to 182 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.639 summon just. I think everyone thinks it' s two months or whatever' 183 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.039 s of the year. But there is more right now with the gallery that 184 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:45.440 is on the second floor, which is the gallery territory. The truth is 185 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:50.559 that the proposal follows or rotates the exhibitions and the same designers and interior designers 186 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.879 who are during these periods of design Wick, which is October and a little 187 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:03.080 bit of November, are exhibiting, not that there is continuity in the work 188 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:09.320 of all designers and have been very interesting the very interesting exhibitions we carry. 189 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.679 I think three or four, but they' ve been very interesting. And 190 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:20.600 that' s also a stage for all designers. They don' t have 191 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.120 anything left in a month if they say Wick. The truth is, he 192 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.159 ' s a seedling. A lot of us have done there. I mean, 193 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.279 she' s raul of the pig. What I say raul of the 194 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.679 pig, or so many marks that have been made there and that continues and 195 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.559 continue to sprout still in the class is incredible. That' s good, 196 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.320 it gives me a lot of taste and that' s good, that you, 197 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.080 too, that part of it. Yeah, actually. Not very happy. 198 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.159 Space. They look wonderful. They changed it completely. It was a 199 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.960 private security building. That was its origin and it is now transformed. The 200 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:00.480 photos ahead of the after doing cement, now everything is green and before cement 201 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:05.679 and now it is completely another something alive, another concept. Yeah, yeah, 202 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.240 actually. If we are very happy in the space How cute, what 203 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.320 a father, and then I turn around to visit it, but when what 204 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.480 you will do since I am not going, so already they are looking for 205 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.639 you the calendar of creative hub events, they are all free, they are 206 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:24.600 all open. He gets the truth. Well interesting performance, there are musical 207 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.039 interventions, there is this good, all the events you can imagine. There 208 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.320 ' s then it' s interesting. It' s a very interesting point 209 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.440 to visit. Now come activations, come new exhibitions. I also think we 210 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:43.279 ' re going to pass the data on to them so they have them and 211 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:43.759 they can go super a good spot. What nice, if you don' 212 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.039 t miss it, because you do have very good proposals and tell me? 213 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.519 What is your office doing, right now, because we saw very little of 214 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.879 the work you did in collaboration with Jardin ostensible. Tell me, well, 215 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.960 that' s a turn we didn' t have in interest in the view 216 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.279 either. The truth is, Fer invited us. He' s got time 217 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.519 we' re willing to collaborate and do something. I think she saw him 218 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.200 more than we did. She had the vision more than we could of what 219 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.159 could be done and how we could integrate the two concepts. So, the 220 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:21.080 idea we talked about before it was the whole fair prede. She wanted to 221 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:27.360 make a garden that was for birds, a bird garden. So we thought 222 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.679 that we, maybe with the tissues, could make that niche, that nest. 223 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.080 No, because actually the nests. She' s doing all the conceptualization 224 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.960 of nests. It is a rescue of what the birds bas of different materials 225 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:52.000 do in order to make a tarcoas a space for the birds to be born. 226 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.360 Then they collect trees, they collect leaves, they collect everything they can. 227 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.519 I mean, you don' t know. We were researching and it 228 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.679 was a great job what they do, that is we did nothing, or 229 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.680 wands, wands, three, wands, four, wands were arming their nests. 230 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:14.079 No. So it' s awesome and we wanted to do that, 231 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:15.599 we wanted to dignify that work they do. So, what we did was 232 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:25.200 adapt it or transfer it to what we do and we put together community materials, 233 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.640 an example of waste, because that' s the idea. We didn 234 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.359 ' t have to conceptualize it as I say, because the pros plus the 235 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.359 origin as is the origin. No, then what we did. We talked 236 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:42.559 to a community that is in Puebla, that contacted us, a foundation also 237 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:48.640 called pneumatad, that are very dedicated to artisanal work in community, a great 238 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.680 work that does on site. And we went to see this community make petate. 239 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:57.559 They make petate, they make this petatillo fabric in Puebla and it' 240 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:03.319 s made of pure women. So we contacted them, we went and there 241 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.279 ' s a specific length that needs to have the palm so they can make 242 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.319 their rugs. This material we recycle is a smaller material. Then they no 243 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:18.599 longer serve and have it. Then we have several plans with that material and 244 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.839 between them passed this one of the nests. We couldn' t throw it 245 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:29.480 away. So we didn' t bring him in to occupy him like this 246 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.279 lining this foliage that was going to carry the structure. We made a structure 247 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.240 of our lamps, that is to say it derived from our lamps that we 248 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.720 have called nest that we have made to assemble artisan in a smaller format, 249 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:48.359 in a jumbo for another project in crétaro. Then we made these structures of 250 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:56.720 our source lamps and we woven how they weave in tequisquiapan our artisans of tequis 251 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:02.920 quepan, but with recycled materials from us, I mean, it was a 252 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.079 whole bouquet of technical materials of tequis for materials that we occupied, for the 253 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:14.400 panels, that is the Papercourt and the Palma de Puebla, that was waste, 254 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.839 and then made a wonderful nest. This whole yes was made as the 255 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:27.039 same dialogue as what birds actually do when they form their nests. It wasn 256 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:32.440 ' t clear and it was just the same, that is, it was 257 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.240 an incredible fabric. It surprised us. We did not think it could be 258 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.079 done that way, that it would be exposed to a subject of landscaping. 259 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:44.000 I' m telling you the one who saw it for sure since he said 260 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:45.759 we can do this was fer us already until we saw it materialized. Worthy 261 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.559 City. You' re right, that is, it was amazing instead of 262 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:56.799 having those materials wasted and thrown away or to literal garbage are dealt with in 263 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.200 an aesthetic way. Yeah, of course, it' s amazing and the 264 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.160 beef in field marte and it was amazing. I was just talking to him. 265 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.599 It was because a little while ago I was also here Andy Radio and 266 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.000 I was talking to them and I, like you' re gonna figure it 267 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:11.559 out for me until I didn' t see them a week later I said 268 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:17.200 WOW. You' re really amazing the way you' re creative. I 269 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.160 think it was an accompaniment. I' m telling you, Fer saw it, 270 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.440 I mean, it happened to me what he wants to do, it 271 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:27.440 ' s not, and when we put them to be and knit, we 272 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:33.160 said WAW, we understood she saw it and then these platforms he put them 273 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:34.319 and these shapes as more organic, as he arranged it. The truth and 274 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.519 all the accompaniment of everything else, of all the other plants and everything that 275 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:47.880 intervened. The truth is that we didn' t think we could have a 276 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.359 space on the subject of landscaping, that is, if it' s another 277 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:55.920 world. Many landscapers began to follow us completely now, and we did not 278 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:57.519 really think that the project would have a place. It always surprises us. 279 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:02.920 We start with one thing and start drifting four or five more and that makes 280 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.960 us so happy. I mean, we started by creating something to count for 281 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.279 a client and ended up getting five options between them. We' ve already 282 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.440 put in something unpublished. I don' t know things like that, I 283 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:21.200 mean, it' s so versatile and it has so much power in the 284 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:22.079 material and that there' s always more options. Oh, my father, 285 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:26.480 you give me a lot of pleasure for you so if you incredibly leave your 286 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.559 connections as well. Just, just me, that' s amazing. I 287 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.559 ' m gonna take it, I' m gonna copy it. That was 288 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.960 my slogan, it' s very cute. Exactly. Yeah, we' 289 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.960 re weaving other scenarios that we didn' t have in mind, not that 290 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.839 it was like when we started, we didn' t have in mind, 291 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.640 that none of this was going to happen completely zero. We were going with 292 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.680 another expectation. No wow, which father gives me a lot of pleasure that 293 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:56.680 as much creatively as already in business model, as they continue to weave those 294 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.680 connections and keep it growing. I' m really glad about that. Thank 295 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.559 you very much and well, tell me how this is for your design process. 296 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.200 Well, there' s just a project coming to your office, how 297 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.440 you' re handling it with your team until they get to the point of 298 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:18.759 delivering look. Regularly much of what we do is personalized and cost- effective, 299 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.319 because every architect, every project, every interior designer, brings his idea 300 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:32.799 already very clear. So we try to tropicalize what they want or what they 301 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.799 have in mind and land it with materials and communities because a lot of the 302 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.759 work we do, because obviously it is in community. No Sometimes we don 303 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.400 ' t have the solution. And when we get to the Community and work 304 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.440 in collaboration with them, all the options and all these proposals or solutions for 305 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:59.680 customers come out. Sometimes we work with them, sometimes we do it from 306 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:07.640 the studio with a design, it can be in those two scenarios with the 307 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:12.720 Community, we with design or together we are doing show and we do many 308 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.680 samples, we make many prototypes until it is tested or both budgets and conceptual, 309 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:25.000 like all the plans and all roasted and everything and we already started to 310 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.920 execute the production. It does not happen that when they are small productions we 311 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.119 do them here in the workshop or when they are already much bigger productions, 312 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:38.079 more meters, and all this we already send to the Community, not because 313 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.960 it exceeds us. We don' t have enough people in the workshop yet 314 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.759 to be able to make mass productions. And that' s what the design 315 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:51.119 process is like when the interior designer arrives with the project already very clear, 316 00:23:51.400 --> 00:24:00.119 when we design our things and our products, we have done a lot of 317 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.759 good, not much. I would tell you that half of them have been 318 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:08.559 designs, that we have thought, that we have conceptualized, that we do 319 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:15.160 have in mind to develop them or create them. But the other fifty I 320 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.319 ' d tell you it was an accidental design. And that we' ve 321 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:25.359 been recapitulating in these months a lamp that we present in the innerito called Miche. 322 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:32.119 It turned out from some lamps we made for Drago hectors a long time 323 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:37.200 ago in mashall were some lids that we had to put in a system of 324 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.480 structure and suddenly all the structures came together. I grabbed them and built a 325 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:47.680 divine cylinder with all the structures and from there came the lamp for example, 326 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.920 that is to say wow. This is something, this is something good, 327 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.240 this tells me something you don' t already know something that calls you and 328 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.319 we saw it clearly then came out of a product. That' s why 329 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.359 it was said regularly that' s a product and they come out like ten. 330 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:07.400 Yes, and then we also have a fabric that we present right now 331 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:15.000 in disign House with tadeo and until we present it is a fabric as in 332 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.400 a metal structure, and that metal structure has origin. In a cellar that 333 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.559 we were a long time ago, it was a warehouse that repaired motorcycles. 334 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.880 Then they had a just screen of that horrible metal structure, that is, 335 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.720 hideous silver color. No. Then I saw her every day and said what 336 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.759 a horror structure, that is, what a horrible kit in the looks horrible. 337 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.079 They' re black, they paint black. Then they painted it black 338 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.480 looked, I think worse. Then I said no what horror. Then we 339 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.839 started weaving and I said tape. We grab tape and we' re going 340 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.359 to weave and then you have us all intervening, making a hole and everything 341 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.920 until we get a pattern and there' s a divine beembo that cuts. 342 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:07.200 We have a line of bimbos and pictures with that structure and with that same 343 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.079 base. So many things have been causal. I mean, we' ve 344 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:18.200 done some of something that' s not meant for that. We have made 345 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:22.839 it a product no or yes, and from there we have drawn three variants, 346 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:27.279 for example, I, father, or you are many things of it 347 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:32.200 all the fifty, if we want to put number, have been so of 348 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:36.240 things that we have, that we see, that we want to master or 349 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:44.720 that we believe have another use beyond that we are seeing at the naked eye 350 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:45.160 and we manage to create products that are intervened with our fibers. How nice 351 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.720 that father, how nice the process that is accidental in some way, but 352 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.519 that of following it and seeing what else you can do and take advantage of 353 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:59.440 it, because to r the results of yatro and have incredible products. I 354 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.920 think a lot of things, a lot of times we already have things that 355 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:11.480 can be, but we don' t have like that vision or that eye 356 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:12.759 so trained that we can see what you can serve. I don' t 357 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.960 mean, I think that' s what happened to us, that' s 358 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.440 sometimes you want to create something out of nothing and something amazing that nobody has, 359 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.279 that nobody sees Sometimes the simplest things that you have at hand are what 360 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.319 they can be. Sure. Just take a little coconut to see how you 361 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.799 can transform them and how you can really reach the creative goal. Yeah, 362 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.440 sure, wow, because what vision they really have is amazing the vision that 363 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.200 yato has hears me practice what are your five favorite designers or everything that right 364 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.839 now you have in your sights, because look at favorite designers. It' 365 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.480 s just that there I have as a mixture, because as my origin has 366 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.960 always been textile. Of course, I also have designers who I admire a 367 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.599 lot on textiles or brand topics. No, but for example, I don 368 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.000 ' t know what I mean. I don' t think I' ve 369 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.359 ever wondered if I have fan designers, so I say wow wow wow. 370 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.200 I don' t die. I think I admire a lot of people, 371 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.160 for example, good Mexicans. For example, I love Raul de la pig 372 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.359 ' s work. I love it both in interiorism and in object. I 373 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:25.039 mean, this new line of male and vicar that made it versatile. I 374 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.759 see it as good, chromatic, but they see it as colors. But 375 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.440 I see, I mean, I see the whole fan that has options. 376 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:36.160 I love not. I also love what he does, what he does to 377 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:41.039 Dock. I also very much like what does fun h I admire and I 378 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:48.400 love fervently here choir that is, they are not the maximum they can know, 379 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.799 They have such a trained eye because they can see in what we do 380 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:59.559 palm and see twenty things that we didn' t even see, that they 381 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.480 have an eye so waiting for. See this one I don' t know 382 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.759 anything about olin wing they see the technique of linears. This is an urn 383 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:08.319 and I, like, didn' t see it, I didn' t 384 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.279 see the urn where you saw it. You know that kind of thing. 385 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:18.640 I admire them so much. I admire a lot. I mean, they 386 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.920 ' re not designers, but I admire Andrea Marco and Emilio very much, 387 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.799 because they have the eye of everyone I just told you for three, because 388 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:32.240 they' re the ones who select and come and I mean, I admire 389 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.119 them fervently. No, I mean, previous designers, because I really admire 390 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.599 Kelly Wester who, by the way, went to the Hut and I know 391 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.200 the most wonderful thing. Yeah, it was the hobb that was there and 392 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.279 we didn' t believe it, I mean, we didn' t think 393 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.279 he was there looking at the fibers, I mean, amazing. Not among 394 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.599 other designers, that is, there are many people to admire, many people 395 00:29:52.640 --> 00:30:00.480 in which you are inspired by which you return. That inspiration is that ability 396 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.000 to transform, to transform a space, to transform a matter, to transform 397 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:10.400 material. Not clear, I mean, the truth is that I think so 398 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:15.400 much international, but I would go more local, it' s being a 399 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.599 great seedbed or Mexico design, I mean, I feel that way for five 400 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:26.359 years that we almost started has been a great seedbed. I see many brands 401 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.400 that are growing exponentially with a different proposal, with a proposition of value in 402 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:37.599 many ways. Now I' m in an icaro training, i e, 403 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:47.200 yoma icaro is a salt group proposal, because we spend all the creative companies 404 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.640 and we are several brands and frameworks so interesting. This her hand maguey trying 405 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:55.759 to rescue the fiber of maguey and make it product and make it that has 406 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.880 not been wasted, i e, it is ball, sheep, it is, 407 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.119 there are so many my brands so interesting that you say wow. I 408 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.279 can' t believe it, I mean, yeah, I really think we 409 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:07.519 ' re going. Come on, I mean, I' m hanging on 410 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.279 to everybody, but come on. We' re going very well, it 411 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.680 ' s going very well by changing the design. I think it' s 412 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.480 a very good sustainable proposal. I mean, we' re being more social, 413 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.359 more friendly, more conscious, totally aware, and that also makes all 414 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:32.279 the projects that have this base much more interesting and not to tell a story 415 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.200 anything else that I tell you and the craftsman, no, no, no, 416 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.559 I mean, it' s a comprehensive proposal. Yes, the work 417 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.200 of the communities, but it comes with design. But this comes with the 418 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.400 ecological issue, the theme, I mean, it' s a lot of 419 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:49.200 things that I think we' re integrating and that a lot of projects are 420 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.559 doing it. And that makes me very happy Of course, well, it 421 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.039 gives me a lot of pleasure because I think Mexico finally saw it, too 422 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.480 I' ve noticed that change that it' s growing a lot like a 423 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.759 seedling and that it' s finally looking inside out and from before it was 424 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.759 from outside to like this. Let' s see what' s in Italy. 425 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.599 Let' s see what' s there. I don' t know 426 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.559 what brand to make our version. And now the versions are being created by 427 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.119 us from here, from home. Yeah, that' s amazing, that 428 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.119 ' s phenomenal, I mean, that' s what we had to do 429 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.319 right from the start. I think if we had started like this, I 430 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.279 would have already, I mean, I think I' d already be super 431 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.759 - positioned, agic in design completely. But by one things go through something 432 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.519 and it is good that somehow he has already woken up. Yeah, and 433 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.680 he' s on the right track. Yeah, I think so, too. 434 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.480 I think so, too. I am very happy here, for example, 435 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.480 unpublished past there were many new proposals, totally many proposals and it is 436 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.559 new blood and they are new visions, they made new procedures, new processes, 437 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.400 new materials and you learn. So much, yes, I think that 438 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.279 every day people are interested. It' s my turn to give talks at 439 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:05.559 universities and the boys are very interested. I mean, it' s not 440 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.160 what craft is anymore being a little tepachesque. No, no, no, 441 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.640 no, I mean, if people are taking it. The boys are having 442 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.119 this new channel of interest in the local, their origins, to try, 443 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.480 to dignify and to rescue all those skills that are being lost with the generations 444 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.319 totally and that can become contemporary and that can come to have a new use, 445 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:35.599 a new dialogue. Not sure, of course, it' s amazing. 446 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.000 Hey, it' s amazing what you' re doing now Everything really 447 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.000 that I' m the fan is a job. I love to see them 448 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.759 every year and suddenly there' s like yato winks during the year. I 449 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.880 also love and right now learn from the palm too when I say I want 450 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.519 to keep learning with you from quarterbacks whenever you want to welcome, let' 451 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:00.480 s do a course of knitting something like that so parents. Yes, it 452 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.799 is amazing and there is no time we want to do, as well as 453 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.840 courses, because they ask us if we give courses to weave and learn to 454 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.000 weave, that is, we would love to transmit it. We' re 455 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.960 not the loosest. Eric and I, for example, don' t, 456 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.880 but yeah, maybe we can organize some interesting course to stop you from giving 457 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.519 a press and put it together. Sure, sure, sure, that' 458 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.559 s not me the most focused on making it great. Hey, I love 459 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.840 talking here with you, and I hope it' s not the last time. 460 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.719 It' s definitely not gonna be the last time, because I want 461 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.599 you to keep telling me more. I hope not. No, of course 462 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.840 it' s also made worth for I love the talk. We' re 463 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.320 gonna get like ten episodes, no yeah, yeah, part two days, 464 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:46.639 like fourth twenty- four. Hey, what would you say to the new 465 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:52.719 generations of designers, architects who, just like you are launching themselves into their 466 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.440 own office or who are starting? What would you say to them? Well, 467 00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:01.440 we' re not that young. But if we' re not so 468 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.599 young, that' s the reality. We' re eating years, but, 469 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.480 well, what I' d tell you is that you do get encouraged. 470 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.639 I know that this theme of cheering up and that there are no mistakes, 471 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.480 there is experience and blah, blah, blah, blah, I mean, 472 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.679 do it. Time passes. That' s right, it' s 473 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.239 real. Time passes. Don' t miss the opportunity to do something on 474 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.840 your own, to undertake research into something that fills you, which is what 475 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.840 happened to us. We said enough, I, you' re fed up 476 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.559 with how we get together and do what really fills you up. That' 477 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.079 s it, I think the main engine that you do something you say. 478 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.320 This is my thing, this is calling me. In this I feel full, 479 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.119 I feel happy and in automatic the rest will be made clear, that 480 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.360 is, in automatic your product, your concept or your idea carries your essence. 481 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.559 So, if you' re happy and happy with what you' re 482 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.800 doing, you can do anything. But if you' re doing it motivated, 483 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.320 you' re going to have all the success in the world and they 484 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.760 do it, they try it, they go to the communities, they work 485 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.119 with people with all the respect, because that' s a subject I had, 486 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.519 so, they have to go with the communities, they work with respect 487 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.440 both in creation and in payment, as in everything in credit, in everything, 488 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.480 they do a good collaboration with the people who are assiduous. Craftsmen are 489 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:25.119 always aware of learning things and always want to collaborate because they don' t 490 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.880 work for you They work with you. So they' re always born of 491 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.920 having this contact and they' re surprised and they love it. They don 492 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.159 ' t say wows it fascinates me and I want to understand it and then, 493 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.559 when you get there, they already have twenty different things and you say 494 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.440 ah I mean, they turned me around and he' s crazy about it. 495 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.039 It' s about us all getting something clear. Then they are encouraged, 496 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.599 they are encouraged, they plan it very well, because to undertake is 497 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.280 not if I have already started tomorrow. This whole thing works. You have 498 00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.360 to have an administrative structure, a design structure, you have to have for 499 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.599 an entire structure that plans well and having good foundations and foundations and motivated to 500 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.400 achieve it. That they don' t stop, that is, that they 501 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:15.719 don' t stop and that they see beyond what we see regularly with things 502 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.559 and objects and And yes, the producer heals you that it' s the 503 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.920 one we focus on the most, that they see beyond, that is, 504 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.000 that they don' t see simple things or that they see us baskets and 505 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.920 I say I have nothing to notice the baskets, but that is, there 506 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.280 is beyond, of course, yes, there is beyond, so don' 507 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.000 t settle. Not exactly. All right, Claudia, really. Thank you 508 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.199 so much. Thank you your no man, thanks to you happy to be 509 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.880 here, that they know, that we do, how we love them and 510 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:46.320 who we are not yes, of course and that it is not the last 511 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.400 time, please, that you continue to tell me pawn, who you are 512 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.119 collaborating with, what else you are doing. I know, I know we 513 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.239 ' re doing a lot of things. Yeah, there' s another 20 514 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.239 chapters coming. I' m supposed to talk to us. Of course, 515 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.679 we have the rest of the year. Yes, exactly, we' ve 516 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.440 taken a month' s notice. Thank you, please Thank you very much, 517 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.599 Clau. I hope that everything continues to grow the same with jato and 518 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.400 that they continue to do a thousand things as they are doing now. You 519 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.639 don' t get the slogan. All right, yeah, I' m 520 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.119 already Madrid and what I saw is the mother, not the engraving. It 521 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.000 ' s very filmed and if you don' t forget, you listen to 522 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.360 it on the podcast. Perfect. All right, well, very soon we 523 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.840 ' ll see each other,' cause summer' s coming, and then 524 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.880 fall, and then we' re going to go to desn Wake Come design 525 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.079 Wick Jack Okay, okay. Thank you very much, not you, Claudia, 526 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.559 and thanks to the audience for listening to us. Remember that you can 527 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.480 listen to us on all platforms of your m in music, Spotify, Apple 528 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:49.039 Podcast, Google Podcast deazer ihoart Don de se listene podcast. There we are. 529 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.599 So there' s no reason they can' t hear us. So 530 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:53.679 that' s where we' re waiting for you. Thank you here for 531 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.639 the work, for the great space, thanks to everything creative, for being 532 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.599 here with us for the first time, but not the last time. Thank 533 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:00.360 you, Bye By.