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I'm your host, as always, George Hobbs, and I hope this podcast
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You've reached out a little over a month ago and we're glad to have
him on. His name is Tyler, and Tyler thank you so much for
joining us today. Sir George, thank you so much for having me on.
You have been literally my therapist therapy session just about every day for about
two months here in my relatively fast awakening in a short amount of time.
I think that's the one thing we all have in common is you know,
we're kind of in this I don't like to call it a genre, but
just for the you know, just for the sake of calling it something,
this niche genre where we all in the truth community, where it's so hard
to find like minded people. You know, it'd be hard to say to
put a number on how many people are awake or cognizant of the level of
deceit that's going on. But I know from boots on the ground and talking
to people around me, it's far and few beteen between. So it's not
just therapeutic for you guys, it's very therapeutic for me. And I guess
I'm kind of spooled to be able to sit down and have a conversation with
folks a couple of times a week. Yeah, you know, this is
just being open and honest. I many times the past few weeks I've been
driving to a therapy appointment and felt great just listening to the like minded people
on my drive there, listening to you talk, and then feeling about that,
and then going into therapy and the therapy and not helping as much as
listening to your podcast. So you know, I don't think I can express
enough to you how much I appreciate it. Well. I appreciate the kind
words. And I've had people mentioned that who go to therapy I went when
I was in the military, that there's people that say, and I guess
there's something to it when you sit down and you have a conversation that it's
great to have someone to listen, but there's something to be said about someone
who's listening and understands what you're saying. Yes, completely, all right,
Well, before we kick things off, and again thank you for joining us
today. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Sure,
my name is Tyler, as George already mentioned, I'm forty two years
old. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, the northern suburbs of
Chicago, a very wealthy town with a lot of very intelligent people who are
very you know, a lot of great people my town. But I think
there are a lot of people who are into material things. You know.
It's a very physical world in the world I grew up in, and it's
just kind of what I always thought was reality, you know. I always
thought that, you know, we lived in the physical I was, you
know, had a good education, a good elementary school, middle school,
high school education with you know, all the best teachers, and really just
thought I was in you know, kind of in the note because I was
around a lot of intelligent, smart and wealthy people, so I you know,
what my world was was kind of that. So I very different place
than where I'm at now, and I think, well, I'll get into
that a little bit more. But I've been a teacher for twenty years,
i am married, with two dogs, no kids, and the past few
months have been like not thing I've ever experienced in my life, very very
how do I how do I say it? A lot of unique circumstance.
There's a lot of unique experiences that will be hard to explain, but also
are things that I really didn't even realize could be reality until I'm sitting here
today like I am. And I guess the first question I have to ask
you is from your upbringing to a young age, did you pretty much buy
everything unadulterated, like, yes, we went to the moon, Yes we
live on a ball, and those type of things that were taught you know
what I did, but I didn't. It wasn't it wasn't anything I spent
a lot of time thinking about, you know, There was never a question
for me that the Earth wasn't round. That was nothing that you know.
I learned that as a young kid, and you know, I didn't really
think too much of it. I didn't think there could never be seat.
My wife always says, how, you know, we went to similar middle
schools and that the same area and up the same school. But she always
mentions how when she learned about the earth being round, that people used to
think it was flat and we were smarter than that now and if there are
people that still think that, then you know they have mental health issues.
So like she remembers being taught that from a young age, and you know,
for her to remember that, I think explains a lot of well,
I've had a really hard time kind of getting her to see that I'm not
a crazy person. Yeah, that is very impressionable, and that is part
of I think the master plan that when the Rockefellers kind of started taking over
everything from medicine, which, by the way, the Chicago I forget what
it's called, maybe the Chicago Institute for Medicine, which is really where they
started the American Medical Association, and you had to get their certification in order
to become a licensed doctor. So a lot of the homeopathic and people who
maybe did practices that weren't so much on vaccines, et cetera, you wouldn't
get licensed. So the Rockefellers took over medicine, and then they also took
over education, so they wanted people indoctrinated. They didn't want critical thinkers,
And in order to get the ball story to work, they had to use
many levels of propaganda, whether it be television, the movies, and education.
And that's why I call it the Granddaddy of conspiracies, because it is
such a stigma to it. If you mention it again, I've said this
a thousand times. If you mentioned the you know, the moon landing at
work around the water cooler, everybody will have a conversation with you. But
at the minute you mentioned flat Earth, it's like turning on a light with
the cockroaches and they scatter, right. Oh. I mean I could probably
count one hundred times the past few months that I have had that exact reaction.
And it's, I guess, getting back to your initial question with kind
of believing things as they were told as if I was growing up, I
was always kind of a I never liked group think. I was never someone
that kind of wanted to follow the crowd, especially after high school. I
think as a teacher, one of my things I always tell to students and
to athletes i've coached, one of the things if I could go back in
time and tell my younger self, you know, give give my younger self
one piece of advice, it would be careless about what other people think,
you know, and be you, be true to you, do what you
think is right, and care less about what people think. And that has
been a big thing within me for dozens of years. And I literally think
that part of that was meant for this, you know, part of me
not caring what people think for the past twenty years was just like planting that
seed for me. So when I out to flat or if I could be
like, I, you know what, this is true, this is right.
I need to do something to help people see this lie in the sea,
And I don't really care what people think about me because I know what's
what's right exactly, and that is that type of thought process should be brought
more into the education process. Right, if you don't answer correctly something in
history exactly how it's written in the history books, you're considered wrong. But
you know, in my other podcast, I've gone almost against the grain on
any you know, big historical event going over the last one hundred and seventy
years at least, whether it be Linking or the Gulf of Tonkin, on
and on and on, and most people it's funny the history teachers will be
the one to tell you that the victors right the story. And just for
an example, that there's so many lies and misgivings about World War Two that
that is right in front of people, and they're afraid to look into it
because it does go back and this ties directly into flat earth because it's in
the history book. It's in you know, the book, so it must
be true exactly exactly, And I I lost my train of thought there.
Sorry, not something I was going with in that nowhere that narrative and totally
forgot no worries. But as far as the education process goes, it is
something, uh that we need more schools, more private schools that encourage critical
thinking. Instead of telling somebody an event, we encourage our daughter to research
an event and give us two, you know, aspects from it, not
just you know, this is what this particular history book tells you. I
want you to memorize it, and then I'm going to give you a test
to see how much you remember. That doesn't That doesn't That's what I was
going to say. I'm sorry, Yeah, I just I remembered and it
was I think I even emailed you about this. But we do something in
school in our school, the ice who I teach him, called understanding by
design, And basically what it is is you take the final answer, the
final product you want the students to get to, and you let them kind
of navigate how to get to that answer. But as long as they get
to that answer, you know they can do it however they want. But
it's not get to that answer and question that answer. It's the Earth is
round? How can we get to the answer the Earth is round? Or
you know anything but that. The design is get to the answer they want
you to know, not get to a critical thinking answer of it. No,
exactly. And that goes to what Nicholas Tesla always said is how science
was being replaced by math. Right, ninety three million miles is our end
number? Well, how can we make that work? And then they kind
of reverse plan from there without questioning. That's just I could talk at nauseam
about that. But yeah, you're right, there's a big problem with our
critical thinking skills within the education system. Yeah, and it's funny you mentioned
the sun because I think I ventured into the posting on Instagram with my beliefs,
and I think the last thing I posted was just about the sun and
how for forty two years I looked at the sun that I can see is
right there. It's just right there, and without question because I was told
I believed it was ninety three million miles away for forty two years. And
now you know, with all the things I've learned and the knowledge I've gained,
I look at it and it's like, it's silly to think that I
believe that for so many years. Yeah, and it is. I understand.
It's really hard to get people's attention. And I went through it too
when I first discovered flatter. That was a big fine for me. And
you're excited, you try to share it, and then the doors slam at
every avenue. I'll tell you. On my personal Facebook, I can post
a picture of me and my chicken and it'll get twenty lakes. But if
I post I think this past July nineteenth, I posted a picture of the
fake moon landing and said, you know, it's the fifty fourth anniversary of
Stanley Kubrick's documentary The Earth Landing, and nobody like it's just like it.
It's just interesting how people will like silly little things. But when you try
to toss a little bit of your mind out there that may go against the
grain, people are quick to just not just completely ignore it. Yeah,
flat Earth especially, it's like just a big gigantic magnet that repels people away.
Man, you're not kidding. Actually, sorry, go ahead. My
wife was supposed to travel this week and there was a chance I was gonna
go with her, and she was going to stay with friends, and they
recently have come across my Instagram post and they texted her and, you know,
with concerns, is he going to be sharing this with our young kids.
We don't want that, We don't want any sort of flat Earth conversation
in our homes, and really we're probably gonna not end up going. And
it's just like the quick to just repel that information or even that topic is
has been quite the experience for me. I've never experienced anything like it where
it can turn ugly or divisive so quick and not even you know, with
me being totally calm and not trying to push, but just the conversation,
it's like it's sets some sort of defense mechanism off in people. And I
get it because it's you know, I think it's going against what you have
believed. It's going against your senses. You know. It's like you literally
have to readapt what your senses are as a kid, because little kids think
the earth is flat, little kids think the sun is right there. Little
kids don't understand how you know water could be sticking to the ball and how
we're spinning thousand miles per hour. You literally have to kind of redo what
your senses are. You know. That really speaks to the Again, we
were just talking about this this afterno and with another listener. Was that the
amount of effort, and it really goes to show how deep the propaganda goes,
because think about this, Tyler. If you put something on Instagram,
like just even if you copy it and paste or pulled a photo from from
Google of a UFO, and if you post something on Instagram said hey,
you know I think I saw or if you just referred to the fact that
maybe you saw a UFO, you wouldn't get nearly the pushback or like any
other fringe conspiracy theory, like it doesn't bother anybody. But man, when
you get to flat earth, just I'm still amazed to this day and blown
away, not just with you know what we call Norman's right, just people
who go about they're still on the blue pill, if you will. But
it's still very divisive. Not as much. I've noticed some improvements over the
last three years, but in a community where we're supposed to question everything,
it still has a lot of stigma to it. Absolutely, And I made
the mistake of I am kind of a I'm an extreme person that I either
get in completely into something or really not at all, and you know,
friends and family of Joe to call me mister extreme and things like that.
So when I kind of had a the awakening that I did, you know,
I don't think I was being mean or rude, but I wanted to
scream from the roof rooftops and share with everyone I cared about because it's like
when you realize that everyone is being lied to about this globe Earth, and
the awareness you can have of all the other lives. When once you realize
that this lie is so big that they have to be lying about so much
else, I just want, like literally wanted to just tell everyone I love
and care about. And since I've been an honest, trustworthy, upfront person
my whole life, I was like, well, they've always listened to me
and believe me and trust me about everything else, this won't be any different.
And it was like I couldn't have been further or that could have been
further from the truth. You know. One of my favorite movies is They
Live. And the conversation we are having right now is I kind of picture.
Have you seen the movie They Live? Oh? Yeah, I'm talking
about I'm like, please put on the dang glasses, just put them on,
and they're like no, and they're fighting with everything they have just they
won't even take a look. Yeah, and the few, you know,
the few people have gone to take a look. I feel like once they
if there's just a tiny thing that people see and they're like it just gives
them the thought for one second that might that I might be right, or
that this could be true, or there could be even a little bit of
truth to it. That's when it turns from a conversation to like a defense
mechanism clicks on and I don't want to talk about this anymore, just a
stupid you don't know what you're talking about. When leading up to that,
it was just a you know, normal conversation or a debate, not a
argument all of a sudden. Well, I think part part of it maybe
is. And I think it's the older you get, the more difficult it
is to get people to look because it's bad enough to realize that twenty thirty,
even forty years of your life was based on a lie. But the
older you get, the more I think difficult it is to cope with the
level of lie. And people are afraid. You know, you know,
it really does shake you to your core. But for me, and I'm
sure to a certain extent, it was you. You know, after you
deal with all the emotions and everything else, there there's a certain level of
freedom, right yeah. And you know I've heard you say you didn't sleep
for two weeks, and I I didn't not sleep, but I didn't know
which way was up and which way was down for at least a few days.
And I I'm not someone that has ever been manic in my and I
had a few days where I felt manic, you know, like I couldn't
control the thoughts racing through my head. I wanted it, to just talk
about it NonStop. I wanted to share it with everyone, and I was
definitely not myself, and I think unfortunately I pushed some people away because of
how much I wanted to share this with the people around me that I care
about. And I'm working on that. I'm trying to get better. I'm
trying to you know, if people ask me not to share, I don't
share anymore, at least for most of them. I'm having a hard time
doing that with my brothers and my mom still, just because you know them
more than anybody. I want to see this. But it definitely went about
it the wrong way at first. I didn't do the old George leave some
breadcrumbs for him. Yeah, but that's a hard thing to do when you're
passionate about something, whether it's baseball. You know, when you're hanging out
with some guys and you're all sharing a passion, you just want to talk
about it, and you want to talk about it. And that's I think
one of the most difficult things of being a truther. Moreover, in a
family or a circle of friends who don't see the same things you do.
I'm very like my wife, She's one hundred percent on board with everything,
but you know, with extended family, it's it's stilly Uncle George, right,
but to a certain extent, so I almost I don't mean to be
over dramatic, but I kind of feel like a fraud because when I'm hanging
out with people, you know, I feel like I have to talk about
things that may be of a mild interest, but I don't get a chance
to talk about what I'm passionate about. And I think, again, going
back to having this blessing of this podcast, where I can actually sit down
and talk to people, it's very therapeutic. I could not agree with you
more. I'm someone that has never liked small talk, and there's a big
part of me now that feels like everything is small talk except this. And
I'm sure that will dissipate at you know, the further away I get from
my moment of kind of seeing everything, it's still very fresh. But I
think, exactly like you said, when I'm in a social setting, or
if I were to go to school and I'm not talking about It's almost like
I'm being a fraud. Like you said, I'm not being my true,
authentic self because it's really all I want to talk about at the moment.
Yeah, I'll tell you. And the thing that bothers me the most,
Tyler is that how people can't see after what we just went through the last
three years, how quickly, like I think everybody got a glimpse and they
understood the level of evil they're dealing with, but everybody was so quick to
go back inside their shell and just go back to living. And I guess
that bothers me a lot that people are still unwilling to see after everything that
we went through. When they told you you were not essential, when they
told you if you don't get a job, you lose your job. I
mean, how what else do you have to go through you for you not
be willing to pursue the truth? Yeah, And that frustrates me a lot,
because I truly feel like, specific to flat Earth, if people would
give it two or three hours and just sit and you know, I think
one of the things that makes it difficult is there is such good censorship of
it. And I didn't realize that at first, and you know, the
first twenty things on Google are going to come up and make flat earthers look
dumb. Same with YouTube, and so it is difficult. But if you
were you know, I think most people that I am trying to share this
information with, I am willing and able to provide them with some good information,
good links, but no one even wants to take the time. And
I just can't understand that mindset because I feel like, if you know,
friends, loved ones, family members were coming up to me and could see
how much I cared about how much I'm sorry, how much, if I
could see how much they cared about it, I would give the time of
day and I would be like, I'm going to sit down and listen.
I might not agree, i might not see it, but I'm going to
give you every chance to talk to me and show me what you're talking about.
And I'm just not even experiencing that. And again, part of that
could be because at first I was pushing it on them instead of you know,
coming up too many rational calm mindset and saying, hey, I think
that Earth might be flat. You know, yeah, but you can't fault
somebody for And again in hindsight. You know, hindsight is twenty twenty.
But at the same time, and I felt the same thing. You know
me, You've known me for X amount of years. I'm not an a
rational guy. So if I bring something up that, sure, maybe a
fringe topic. But if I've taken the time, uh, you know,
and you know the common response I got. I don't need to bounce around.
But so you sat down and watched two YouTube videos, and now that
you believe in flat earth. Then it was kind of slapping the face to
me because I literally I was reading books, I was researching, I was
doing you know, obviously we could see too far, one thing after another
and then the whole again, the stairway of ascension to finally understanding, well,
gee, did they really lie about everything except insert ninety three million miles
sixty six thousand spinning and everything else that goes into it. And it just
kind of it completed that the you know, you see the dot connecting on
the boards of the in the movies of the crazy conspiracy theorists, Well,
for me, that was the last dot connected, and I realized that everything
is connected. Yeah, that was it was mine too. It was the
last one I got to and exactly what you said is. I've had so
many people, family members specifically, say well, you saw that on TikTok,
so you believe it, And I'm like, no, of course I
didn't just see it on TikTok, and I believe it. TikTok, will
you know, give me an idea and then I will go research it as
much as I can and further it and drive three hours to see the Chicago
skyline across Lake Michigan and do some very extensive research to then believe that it's
not just oh TikTok said it, it's the truth. And I think,
you know, I've heard you guys talked about it on other episodes, But
TikTok perplexes me because it does not seem to be censored like a lot of
other things, especially around flat Earth. And you know, I've seen something
like it was maybe one of the leading search things on TikTok with over three
point two billion views, and from my perspective, it's very clear that's a
big part of the reason they are trying to ban it in the US.
But what I can't rep my head around is that, you know, if
my belief and I'm pretty sure yours is. You know, Russia is the
same as China, as the same as US. They're not these different governments.
They're all controlled by the same elite Satanic people. And what I can't
figure out is how they haven't been able to control TikTok yet. Yeah.
That is interesting, isn't it. Yeah, And it truly seems like it's
not censored. Like you know, I searched flat Earth on Instagram or YouTube
or Google, and it's everything that comes up is, well, the flat
earthers think that the Earth is a disk and water falls off of it and
you can fall off the edge. And I'm like, no, that's clearly
not we think. But then you go to TikTok and there's a lot of
you know, really smart, intelligent people posting credible things, and somehow that's
not taken down. It just it confuses me. I don't know why.
Yeah, and that's a great point. And I get people telling me all
the time, you need to go on TikTok, you need to go on
TikTok because it's not and I know the second i'd do that, they'll change
their platform. But it is it's interesting. I've interviewed a lot of people
on both podcasts who've had success on TikTok. So maybe it is something I
should take the time to look into. I will tell you just as we're
talking. I'd like to do this. Google and YouTube are the worst.
So I just put in the words flat earth into YouTube hit enter. The
very first video is debunking flat Earth and forty five seconds, and then the
next one is inside a flat Earth convention where nearly everyone believes the Earth isn't
round, and it is mockery after a mockery. This one is three scientists
school flat earth ors on the evidence, and of course Neil de grass Tyson
and Bill Nye are are involved, So you're right. And again, whatever
I'm looking into it, whether it be JFK Oklahoma City nine to eleven.
When when you see the propaganda in the first part of the search engine,
you know you're onto something. If you're catching flak, you know you're you're
over your target. And that's what I've been saying on Instagram is you know,
I've been making these posts about the moon landing or different things, and
I'll get fact checked, and you know, people say, isn't it telling
you something? That you're getting fact checked, and I'm like, actually,
yes it is, but it's telling me something very different than what you think.
It's time me. It's actually telling me this is what's true. And
they didn't want this getting out versus the fact that it's fact check and pulse.
And it's just funny how they use fact checks and how people just see
that and we'll say, oh, this, it's got to be false.
It's fact checks. I made a little video on Instagram. I think it
was Instagram, No, it was Rumble and for the Flat Earth Channel,
and it was the guy in Canada what the heck isnt Trudeau? He was
at a fire station and he brought up flat earthers and compared anti vaxxers to
flat earthers. And I made a little video about it. And one of
the comments was a woman from Canada. She said, I never believe flat
earth, but your video got fact checks, so it must be true and
if Trudeau is talking against it, then it must be true. So I
thought that was great. Yeah one percent. Tell us a little bit about
your journey to the truth where it all started. Well, I you know,
I for probably thirteen years, I knew nine to eleven wasn't what it
was. And I good, so long ago, maybe twenty ten, maybe
twenty eleven, maybe even before that. I just went deep dive in nine
to eleven and just saw so many things that didn't make sense with you know,
the Pentagon and the missile shaped hole in it with no plane debris and
things like that, and actually came across this one video that it was a
three parter and it talked about the three different ways that the the towers could
have come down, and you know, the first one was that it was
actually the plane caused enough heat to you know, bend and melt and everything
and it collapsed on its own. And then the second one was there was
explosives in there and it looked like a free fall demolition. And then the
third one, which actually after watching it made the most sense. The way
they did it was something about and at the time I had never heard about
it, but it was called they said it was a directed energy weapon for
a free energy weapon, and this was, you know, thirteen years ago,
and I remember at the time, I was like, I don't know
what that is, never heard of it, but the way they talked about
it and the way they demonstrated. I was like, I actually think that's
what did it? You know? And then I come to find out that
there was a woman Judy would I believe her name is. She wrote a
whole book on nine to eleven was a directed energy weapon that brought it down
and had all these presentations on it, and I truly believe back then that's
what it was, and then asked for it many years and I'm looking for
that stuff again because I'm trying to show it to other people, and that
directed energy stuff was gone, that was nowhere to be found. I looked
for hours for that video. There was no sign of it, and that
kind of further confirmed like the you know, the whole check thing is,
Wow, maybe that did actually have something to do with the towers coming down.
So nine to eleven was the truth to me. You know that it
wasn't done the way it was for a long time, but I somehow never
got into different things I've been. You know, I'm a pretty busy guy
as far as distracting myself, and I don't mean that always necessarily in a
bad way, but I teach. I'm a strength and conditioning teacher. I
coach, I've coached track and weightlifting, shot put in discus. When I'm
not coaching or teaching, I'm superactive with fitness. I compete in CrossFit.
So for listeners that don't know what CrossFit is, it is basically a It
can be a sport or an exercise philosophy, but it combines weightlifting, gymnastics,
and partio vascular. So there's always something to be getting better at,
you know. So you can be working under strength, you can be working
on your running, viking, swimming, you can be working on things like
hand stand walks. So in my free time, I was putting forth a
lot of effort to getting better at those physical activities. And then you know,
I liked hanging out with friends and family. I was obsessed with football
and fantasy football and things like that. So I just never really got to
a point where I wanted to look into things more or felt like I needed
to. I've never been a political person. I've never you know, I
voted one time, and it was for Obama just because I at the time
I kind of thought it would be I thought that was a historical race just
because of Obama being black, and I wanted to be part of that and
support that and so I voted for him without much knowledge of either of the
parties. And I've always been the person that has said, you know,
I don't really think my life has impacted that much by who wins the president.
Like for forty years, I was like, maybe my taxes go up
a little, maybe they don't, but I don't really feel like my life
has impacted. So I just didn't pay attention. It wasn't something I was
interested in, wasn't something I cared about, and so for many many years
I didn't dig into different holes. And then around March, for whatever reason,
I really wanted just out of nowhere kind of. I guess part of
it was my dog was was getting older and I knew his time was coming
here. And for some reason that prompted me to watch some near death experience
videos a lot of people that were experiencing the same thing with the near death
experience, and you know, somehow that led me into digging into aliens a
little bit, and I was like, well, clearly there are aliens.
We live in this galaxy with you know, billions and billions of stars and
billions and billions of planets, and it's endless and black holes and you know,
an endless space, there has to be aliens, and you know,
you always hear about Area fifty one and things like that, so I wanted
to dig in and that. So I don't know, between the alien thing
and the near death thing, it just kind of led me into some different
videos, into some different what I thought at the time were truths and kind
of made me curious. So got into some different things where I, for
example, at one point, I was sure the Moon was hollowed. You
know, I knew the I didn't ever really look too deep into the moon
landing that I had watched. It's a YouTube channel called the Wi Files,
and they've got a whole bunch of things on just all sorts of different conspiracies
or you know, things like the Pyramids and circle of things like that.
And so I was convinced the moon was was hollow, that it was maybe
a base or a space station and hollow. And then you know, I
was also very convinced that there was a reptilian race on the planet. Super
convinced to that because I found all sorts of crazy videos of and you and
I have talked about this, but holographic technology that seemed to be failing as
I was watching it in slow motion, and so I went down these rabbit
holes and really thought I knew some things, and then when I got to
flat Earth, I realized there were some there were some truths behind what I
had found, you know, like there was abnormalties to the Moon, but
it wasn't that it was hollow. It was that it's not even landable,
you know, it's not a giant rock that you can land on. And
when I got to flat Earth, it kind of is like the once you
get to that lie, all the other lies become clear and you see that
the things they were live had lies about lies about you can figure out and
kind of decipher or discern what the actual actual truths are. And we can
get into how I actually caught the flatters, but just kind of wanted to
give you my my travel or how I got to starting to look into things.
Yeah, that's really interesting, and I've never heard of this, the
Y Files, but I'm looking at it. They've got a huge audience.
I've got two an a half million subscribers. They talk about, like you
said, everything from Life after Death, speaking with the Dead. But it's
interesting. It looks like that touch on everything. In one episode they talk
about UFOs and then they talk about Stanley Kubeck's Kubrick's greatest film, The moon
Landing, So well, that one that is the one that showed me that
that that the Y Files is. They're part of the club. You know,
they're the they're there to deceive you, because there were things with the
Stanley Krubrick Like they go in there and they debunked that that's actually Stanley Kubrick.
They say it's not him, and you know, they got some body
double, but it is very clearly him. You know, you can you
can go in and you can look and Stanley Kubrick has a very distinctive mole
under his left eye, and you can you can compare that to any picture
of him ever, and and it is him. And he said NASA ca
him to him and NASA asked him to take the moon landings. Not only
did they ask him, but they told him that can't get to the moon.
It's not something you can get to because of the firmament. So WI
Files, I thought was great. They fooled me for a little while,
shame on me. But I got to the point where I know, I
would say probably nine percent of what they're doing is just trying to confuse people,
and that's interesting. And even without looking at any of their videos,
to get to that level of subs, you'd have to be part of that.
And again no offense. I've never met these people, never watched one
video, but kind of the thing that I've always come to understand when you
get a crowd like that, especially when you look at the things that they're
talking about. For them not to get any strikes and to just be able
to post things, yeah, they either have to be exactly really really tiptoeing
or part of the club one of the other for sure. And the guide
the I don't know which one it is. One of the episodes. The
host he does a good job, you know, like he's a good host.
He presents the information well unfortunately he's just a liar. But at the
end of one of them, he literally looks at the camera and he's talking
about you never know, you know, who's on the other side of the
team or who's who's giving you the truth. He's like, you know,
like you don't even know if I'm giving you the truth, and he kind
of like looks at the camera and like winks. And I'm like, I
need to look into this more. And that's when I started to really look
into kind of see the deceit behind that channel. Yeah, and that's another
reason, like I will never come on here and say, don't listen to
this person, even though I think Alex Shones is controlled opposition, I won't
tell anybody not to listen to them, because they even they use these people
for disclosure as well. That's that's one of the tools they used for these
people. And it's Stanley Kubrick is a real interesting guy. Uh. You
know, he filmed Eyes Wide Shut and I have not I want to see
that. I have not seen that, but that was kind of the h
that, you know, Pizza Gate and and that type of stuff was really
the only thing I've kind of gotten into after flat Earth. But sorry,
I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, you're good. I think Eyes
Wide Shut had to do with a party that the Rothschild's had in like nineteen
seventy two, and it was a very long the original cut. It was
the revisit of the Surrealist Ball of nineteen seventy two that was hosted by Baroness
Marie Helen Rothschild and her husband Guy at the Chateau de Feri and it's another
disclosure movie. They brought the Warner Brothers executives to this hotel for a private
filming. The movie ended, there was a huge argument between Stanley Kubrick and
the Warner Brothers executives. He went to bed and never woke up. He
died on March seventh, nineteen ninety nine. And the interesting thing is his
biggest movie was two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey. And if you'd
take his date of death, which was March seventh, nineteen ninety nine,
and count the days to January first, two thousand and one, it's exactly
six hundred and sixty six days. And getting back to the world never imagine
that. Yeah, and getting back to the rothschilds that that movie ended up
getting I think twenty eight minutes cut out of it. That he part of
the argument was he he had what's called the control, that they have artistic
control or whatever. Yeah, right, and he said that you're not cutting
it. He ended up dying and they cut like twenty eight minutes out of
that film. Yeah, it's it's crazy, you know, Like I don't
you know if I were to talk to anyone in my circle, any of
my friends, anyone I teach with, and I were to mention something about,
you know, a movie director getting killed because of you know, this
type of stuff, they would think I was totally out of my mind.
And it it happens all the time. Yeah, they say, just be
quiet. Who are you picking for your fantasy football draft? Exactly, That's
what they're mad him. I'm the commissioner of that, and I've decided not
to play this year, and people are looking at me like my head's spinning
around because for ten years, you know, I've loved the league and I've
been super into it, and they just can't wrap their heads around why I'm
not into it to the point, you know, they think something's wrong with
me, and I'm like, it's just not It's not important to me anymore.
And I'm sorry that that doesn't jive with how you know me and how
you feel. But I can't. I can't stay true to myself and I'm
not I don't want to just do it to appease people. So it's just
funny how people have literally contacted me or my wife and likes everything all right,
Tyler's not playing fantasy football this year, like, like, that's the
big thing that's going on in my life. Yeah, it is interesting,
and even in reflection, a lot of the things that I do to appease
others, you know, I try to draw online between you know, my
mom always told me when I was younger that if you spend your entire life
trying to make others happy, you're going to end up being miserable. But
at the same time, I kind of give and take some because I do
understand the importance to you know, my family members, even though it's not
high up on the list with me. So I try to find a happy
medium there. But you're right, you kind of go into it half hearted
and you're doing something that you don't have your heart in. At the same
time, you're like, well, yeah, it's a conundrum that I think
many of us in the truth community deal with for sure. For sure.
So what was We haven't even really talked about how I got the flat Earth
and it's kind of a crazy story. You go right ahead, Well,
kind of, as I mentioned earlier, I've been into the alien stuff and
I came across there were two people that I came across that both claimed to
be remote viewers. One maybe you've heard of. His name is Ingo Swan.
He wrote a book and he supposedly worked with the government, and at
the time, you know, I was like, oh, well, this
guy was so good at remote viewing that the government even even hired him.
And he was able to predict the rings around Mars. And suppose I guess
there are rings around Mars. You know, I didn't know that, but
suppose Leonessa's world there are rings that around Mars. And he was able to
predict that ten years before they even had the technology to go to Mars.
So that was kind of I was like, oh, if you predicted that
before they could even go, that's got to be true. So I was
believing in these remote viewers a little bit, you know, because the government
had hired them. You know, I know, now total nonsense, but
I believed in that remote viewer. And then there was another one on YouTube.
Her name was Elizabeth April, and they, you know, one Ingo
Swan talked about the moon a lot. Elizabeth April talked about she had some
information about, you know, different beings coming down to the planet, specifically
reptilians and things like that, and you know, I you know, at
that same time, there was a lot of stuff in the news with the
UAPs and the Navy officers literally showing things that did not seem like it could
be a CGI so and going into the water and going under the ground,
and so in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, this technology has to
exist because I you know, I can tell what's CGI and what's not for
the most part, and I'm both starting to really believe that not only are
there aliens, but they're here. They might be living under the ground,
they might be living in the oceans, things like that. Then I came
across doctor Stephen Greer, who he is, you know, someone that's talked
for many, many years about how they've reverse engineered UFOs and they're here,
and there are aliens and you can not only see them, but you can
communicate with them. So here app where you can go through this meditation and
do these things where you can literally kind of call you know, some sort
of UAP or UFO into your vision at night and see. So I try
it. You know, I'm not buying into it. I'm like, Okay,
there's no chance I'm going to sit here and do this medicine or meditation
and play this. You know, they had certain frequency tone that they played.
Did it didn't? You know, Like I tried to put my mind
and meditation into a good spot where you know, we said, just thing
positive and try to do it. Nothing happened. And then maybe a month
later, for some reason, I was out at Pe with my students and
we were at the tennis courts and I I had kind of just started to
see a lot of different things that we're just making me feel like maybe this
planet, maybe this place is a little different than we think. And I
started to do basically like a meditation or a you know, now I would
look at it as a prayer, but I wasn't talking specifically to God.
It was more of a meditation saying if there is something out there in this
universe, if there is more to this physical world than I know, like,
let please show me. And I was kind of I was like,
I'm coming from a place of positivity. I have love in my heart,
i have gratitude in my heart. And I'm walking and literally walking around the
task court while my students were playing, and I just see this object in
the distance and you know, it's kind of far and but it's coming towards
me, and it just keeps coming towards me. And I'm walking around and
like, I don't recognize that as any thing in the air of ever seen,
and it's getting closer, and I don't have my phone on me,
so I'm I'm wondering what it is. I'm like, I need to get
a video of this so I can, you know, maybe zoom in or
see what it is. And it just keeps coming towards me, keeps coming
towards me, and it looks like an orb and it's shiny, and it's
pulsing. You know, it's not just a solid object. It is literally
pulsing where it's disappearing and appearing, disappearing and appearing. And I get to
my phone and I pull it out. In the second I pull it out,
it doesn't disappear. I have a video of it, but it turns
it was coming directly at me the whole time. As soon as I pick
up my phone start recording, it changes directions and start going away from me.
But it is something I've never seen at that point, and the best
thing I can do it is describe it as an orb of light. So
that just kind of blew my mind. And a week later, I was
outside and I share. I tried to share this with people, showed videos
and even people were very skeptical of other things I had been sharing with.
Okay, this is weird. I see this. I don't know what that
is, but like, maybe you should share this with, you know,
the authorities, or see if there's some sort of like weather balloon testing in
the area or something like that. But anyway, a week goes by and
I have this app that I always use and I just to kind of check
out the stars. And it's called Starlight. I think you know. You
can use it at night and you can find the stars you want. And
I'm outside of my front yard and I'm using it and I'm pointing at different
stars and I get to this one star that's near O'riyan or near O'riyan's belt,
and I'm moving and I've used this app one hundred times and I move
it and the star follows me. And it's the star isn't actually following me
in the sky. I want to clarify that, but it will follow It's
following my cursor on the screen and it's never done that. So if I
moved to the right. The star continues to follow to me the right.
If I move up, it follows me up, same thing down. And
like I said, I used this app one hundred times, never had anything
happened like this. So I get my wife and have her come out.
I was like, do you see this? And she's like, yeah,
that's pretty weird. So I screen recorded it just because it was. It
was weird to me and I had had that experience the week earlier, was
something in the sky, so I just wanted to investigate it more was that
did you happen to look it up because somebody else? I think I've gotten
one or two emails over the past year about a certain star in that area
of Orion. I think it's actually called Beetle Juice, but it's spelled like
b et e l g e usc. I pronounce it beetle juice. Maybe
it's matel geese or something like that. But it looks like, no,
no, I know that star. It's not that it's not that star.
But I'll get to what star it is in a second. It's kind of
part of the cool story, alrighty. So anyway, I screen recorded it
and I didn't go back to it, but a couple until a few days
later and I'm looking at it and I'm you know, it's just looks like
a piece of it looks like a star, but it's the phone app,
you know. I'm not it's not actually the star that was moving, but
I'm looking at it, and every once in a while it would kind of
like pulse and get bigger and then shrink back down and then on the screen
recording, and I was like, why is it doing that? And so
I increased the size of it, and and it was you could see it
was pulsing. And not only was it pulsing, but it looked like it
was rotating. So I increased it more, and it looked like it was
something that was just changing images all the time, like the image was going
through something like a different image every half a second, different image every half
a second. And then the more I looked at it, the more it
looked like dog faces. It looked like, you know, like images of
dogs. And actually, very specifically, it looked like I have at the
time, I had four golden doodles, and it just it literally looked like
golden doodles. And I'm and I'm like, what is this? I don't
understand is this like was it pulling pictures somehow from my phone and like putting
it in this star? So I I don't know. I asked my wife.
I was like, do you see dog faces in this? She was
like, yeah, actually I do. She's like, she's like, it
kind of looks like and we listed off she listed off the dog names and
I was like, yeah, okay, like I'm not crazy, so that
you see that. She's like, yeah, for sure, it looks like
talk. So again, I don't think anything of it for another few days,
and I'm sitting in my school at like six in the morning on an
exercise bike, and for some reason it just crosses my mind. I'm like,
I wonder what that star was, and I like never looked it up.
And I went and I looked up the location because I knew it was
right by O'Ryan, and I could tell what it was and it was serious,
and I looked into Sirius and I was like, the first thing that
had said about Sirius or serious however you say it was serious, is known
as the dog Star. And I was like what. I was like,
this just blew my mind like that I some this thing was following me on
my phone that I've never had happened before. I looked into it a few
days later, saw dogs, had no idea it was the dog Star,
and then looked further into it, and it's just I was like, what
is going on? Was this some sort of like divine intervention that I was
supposed to see dogs in this star? So hopefully I'm not losing it yet,
because I know this is kind of a no, you're coming hard to
believe interesting thing, all right? So from there I start getting into like
flat Earth? Is there a little bit like on the fringe. I hadn't
really looked at it too much. But then what I decided to do is
look at Sirius through amateurs telescopes and amateurs nikon p. Nine hundreds or p.
Nine thousands, and I did the same thing. I did a screen
recording, and I looked at it. And you know, anyone who's ever
seen what an actual star looks like through a telescope or you know, high
magnification, it's not a giant ball of gas billions of miles away. It
looks like it's a light shimmering in water. And every little flicker and shimmer
was a dog face, and every single one I saw a dog and I
would go frame by frame and it'd be a different dog, a different dog,
a different dog, and it was blowing my mind. I was like,
okay, I was like, stars are actually angels of dogs. I
was like, that's when dogs die, they go up into the stars,
and those are you know, all those stars are just angels of dogs.
And I was like, dog is God spelled backwards? And I was sure
of it. And then I, you know, so I was one.
I was thinking this is crazy too. I hadn't really realized at that point
that stars weren't balls of gas. So I was like, what, like,
what's going on? Trying to make sense of it, And like I
said, at the same time, I was starting to get into some flat
earth stuff, you know. I had looked at Polaris, but it's just
the location of it, and things were I was very confused, you know,
and I didn't know what to think of all of it, and but
I knew stars weren't what they had told us. And I also had looked
into Polaris and used that same same star finder app. And after I had
heard of like someone saying on Polaris the fact that it never moves. When
I heard I think I heard that from a TikTok video. I used that
starfinder app and I sat down in a seat right in my backyard, made
sure it was in the exact same spot, took a screenshot where it was,
waited a couple of hours, same thing. Polaris didn't move. Next
day, it didn't move. I was like, just from that, I
was like, I think the Earth might be flat. I was like,
I was like, these are just two weird of things. And then I
went on Google and looked up the Polaris why it doesn't move, And of
course at the time I didn't know Google was just going to give you something
to make you realize that, oh, Polaris just happens to be at the
exact center of Earth's roope orbit and so far away that it wouldn't look like
it moved. So I kind of like it fooled me and I just kind
of lost scheme with it. But I was still stuck on the dogs in
star Step and then did some other investigating on some other things, looking into
NASA, looking at all their lives, and then I ended up looking at
the James Webb first image from Space and I looked at it. And when
I first looked at it, I literally said, I was like, this
is a cartoon. This can't be real. This is CGI. It's cartoon.
So I was zooming in on it, and as I zoomed in and
I was kind of strolling around it, I just kept seeing little images of
dogs all over the place. And you know, like it's not it's not
so clear that you just look at it, but if you were, if
you go in and you were looking for dogs, you are going to find
thirty or forty dog images in that picture, and not just like, oh,
that could be a dog, Like you actually see that there is someone
putting purposeful dogs into NASA images. It's in there, CG clouds, it's
in there. It's in everything they do. And you know, I think
I had emailed you that I had kind of come to the realization that dogs
are, for some reason, a sign that they put in all their lives.
The submarine that imploded a few weeks back, I found some dogs kind
of in the sidewall of that, and they're they're just literally in everything that's
connected to some sort of lie that the powers that be are putting out there.
It's almost like they're I think, I told you, it's like their
poker tell It's like when Teddy agb is eating oreos and the movie rounders,
and you know, you know he's bluffing because of the way he eats his
oreos. It's if you can find dog imagery in some sort of picture,
you can maybe clue yourself into some of the lives of the world. So
once I found dogs in other places other than the stars, I really kind
of opened my eyes to the flat earth, opened my eyes to the to
the fact that, as crazy as it sounds, that I think there's a
chance that the night sky and a lot of the stars are holographically put up
there. And I know that, you know, that goes against a lot
of what the Bible says, and I'm a firm believer of flat earth in
the biblical sense. But when I looked further into that, what it what
I found was a lot of times the stars are mentioned in the Bible.
It's an afterthought, so it will say, you know, and I please
I'm not quoting exact, but you know, God made two great lights,
the moon and the sun, and the stars, or also the stars.
There's always the stars are included as an afterthought, And there's a big part
of me that wonders if that is just kind of our captors, as you
will, if they have projected those stars into the sky as part of the
deceit of space, because lord knows, they're pushing the aliens in the space
very hard. So I don't know, I just said a mouthful. I'm
sorry. I'll give you a chance to respond. And like I've told you
before, I it's a lot of information and a lot of happenings that have
happened the past few months. So it doesn't all get I don't It doesn't
come out all smoothly sometimes No, no, no, it's you articulated everything
very well. And I do believe there's a lot of folks going back to
you know, talking about nine to eleven who believe that the planes were were
holographic, and there's obvious I've always said that, you know, we're light
years The technology we have today has been around for a long time. We
went when it comes to retail, when we get our hands on technology,
it's it's been around for at least fifty years, oh yeah, And I
honestly think maybe even more like three hundred. Yeah, you can go back
to the church sharings back in the seventies and see what the technology they had
back then, and obviously they had that, you know, forever. But
if you say, let's say the stars are holographic, where would the source
be coming from? And in this case, who do you think they are
the people who are controlling the holograph It's a good question, you know.
I don't know. I have a better answer to one of those questions than
to the other. I think I don't know if the moon could be part
of projecting the holograms. And I don't know, if you know, maybe
there are some real stars up there, maybe God did create some, and
maybe there are a whole lot up there projected more than God actually created to
give the illusion of infinite space. But I don't know. The moon.
Potentially, if Polaris is always sitting right there at the center, maybe that
could be part of the projection. I did see one. I've seen one
thing one time ever and I never could find it again on TikTok who someone
else who actually had a very similar theory is mine and I saw that his
theory of it after I had it, So it was kind of cool to
see someone else that I literally thought that was the only person in the world
that that thought this. And but there's I'm trying to remember where they thought
the you know, lack of a better word, projector could be coming from.
But I don't know. I don't aim to know that. I just
know that if any single person that's listening to this wants to go find any
star on YouTube that is zoomed in from a nikon camera or a high powered
telescope, one that is not NASA, or one that does not have a
million followers, and if you screen record it and you go shot by shot
or frame by frame by frame, it is almost impossible, at least after
go if you go ten frames, because sometimes they're not clear, but after
ten, you're going to start to see a dog face after dog face.
Sometimes there's two dogs, sometimes there's three. It's there, and I know
it sounds completely insane, but I've verified it over and over again. I've
posted some pictures on my TikTok on that I can I can. I didn't
send you that, or you don't have that, but I can send you
my screen name for that, George. It it's actually just it's a wake,
not woke for anyone that wanted that, And I've posted like four things.
I'm not on there a lot, but I just thought the star thing
was too crazy to not share on some platform. I wasn't quite ready to
let my crazy out of the bag on Instagram with that one yet, but
it's on my TikTok. Yeah. And then your other question is who would
be the powers that be? In my opinion that has changed. I definitely
was of the mindset that there was either I think I mentioned this earlier,
but a reptilian race that we're either from different planets or they have been here
for thousands of years just as a separate species. But once you come to
flat Earth, you kind of realize that is that is not truth, and
that there are that this place is a spiritual world, and there are good
and bad spirits and some extremely demonic forces and beings that are on this planet
or this plane, I guess, and they're the ones running the show.
And you know, the big Honcho himself, I think Satan has a lot
to do with it. Have you actually ever seen I just was watching Bob
Dylan today talking about selling his soul to the I think he called him the
Big Chief or something like that, the Big Yeah. He was sitting down
with the guy from sixteen minutes. Yeah, yep, ye, actually yeah
maybe. I actually think I heard that on this a few a few days
ago and decided to look it up myself. So of course you've heard it.
Yeah, And you know, anybody who is anybody I've learned, whether
it be in movies, politics, music, to get to the top,
if you really want to go to the top, you have to do like
Bob Dylan did. And he admitted it on TV. I think that was
in the mid two thousands, and he said, yeah, I'd just sell
my soul to the Big Chief. And he even said, yeah, he
couldn't do it today. He has no idea how he wrote those songs.
Yeah, And I you know, it's funny. I think back to my
childhood and you know, my mom not wanting me to have like maybe Motley
Crue or Guns and Roses albums and saying they worshiped the devil, and I'm
like god like, and you know she was I don't think, you know,
she thought they might actually worship the devil, but I don't think she
actually thought that was actually going on on a level of selling souls and that
the Devil is actually real and that that was going on. And I didn't
have the time either. I just thought she didn't want negative influence in my
life. But if you go and look, I mean, it is insane
to see if you just go look for it, the amount of devil worship
or Satan worship in Hollywood and they say it, you know, like Christian
Bale thanking Satan for his role in some movie, or Red Hot Chili Peppers
standing up in front of you know, the MTV Awards and saying thank you
Satan. I mean, it's I used to just think it was like to
be cool, and one hundred percent note it is because they are actually making
deals with these Satanic beings or creatures or Satan himself and they need to do
that to get ahead. And it's it's just insane. How I never for
a second thought that was real for her forty two years of my life,
and now I don't doubt it for a second, just like I don't I
don't doubt God for a second anymore either. Indeed, And I don't know
if it's just because of our age or because things have changed so much,
but into the seventies and eighties, things seemed more innocent, and I grew
up at the same time with you, Like my mom didn't want me to
have the Quiet Riot and the Motley Crew and the Iron good good gracious when
she saw the iron Maiden number of the Beast right, excuse me, But
you know, from the eighties to today, at least then to some degree,
they tried to hide the evil they would put. You know, they
say, you could put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
But they did a clever job disguising it. But over the years they
don't even they don't disguise it anymore. You look at the opening of the
I think it was called like the Goodwill Games or something from twenty eighteen.
That ceremony was creepy. Then you look at this guy, Sam Smith.
They're on stage wearing devil outfits. And many of these halftime shows have really
evil kind and you know, really evil feel to them. And that's what
a lot of these things really are when you awake and you look at these
events. And that's one reason why I kind of tend to steer away from
these things, because when you get a lot of people together like that,
it almost becomes that like they're they're trying to harvest, like that that rapper
in Houston where you had everybody who was vaccinated. You could only go to
the concert if you were vaccinated, and as you entered the concert, it
was through an open mouth, which is kind of like a feast to Moloch
type of vibe to it. There's certainly a level that they don't They're not
even trying to hide it anymore. No, not at all. I mean
it is right out on the open. And I really feel like though,
unless you have you know, for lack of a better term, unless you
have that awakening, you see it and you just think like they're just you
know, doing something fun or they're just messing around. It's not actual like
Satan worship or devil worship. And you know because I you know, as
early as six months ago, I would have seen something like that and just
not thought twice about it. But then once you're awake and you see it,
it is everywhere. And getting back to what you had mentioned earlier,
the movie Rounders and Teddy was named Teddy KGB and he was you know,
when he was bluffing the way he ate his oreos, and you had mentioned
the same thing with the dogs. Could you expand on that just a little
bit more about how that's the elites or the controller's way of tipping in their
hat more than just like within the stars itself. Yeah, trying to think
of where I where's the absolute first time I came across that. You know,
I said it was the James Webb. Give me just one second,
I'll see I wrote a few things down and maybe it was there. Yeah,
James Webb, the guy who left NASA right before they went to the
moon. Oh did he was it? He stepped down I think January of
sixty nine. Okay, I didn't realize that. Yeah, And I cannot
think of where I first saw it, But I and I don't know if
I saw it in the stars first. I think I must have seen it
in the stars first, because I and then the James Webb anyway, like
it is, and I know it sounds ridiculous and I'm not unaware of that,
but I have seen it in so many places where, you know,
like going back to the submarine. As soon as I heard about that submarine,
I was like, there is something evil about that that was done intentionally
or it's a lie. And I went and I and I studied the video.
There was a YouTube video or an Instagram post of you know, the
people on it, and there was a moment where one of the guys on
the submarine like he's filming, you know, they're just having a good time.
They're about to go down check out the Titanic or whatever it was.
And they closed the door. And there's just like a moment or two that
seemed intentional where they were focused on the submarine door and it was and it
was very metallic looking the inside of it. And at this point I had
already kind of been onto the dog thing, and I was like, I'm
going to, you know, look to see this, and there were it's
you got to slow it down and you've got to be aware, but there
are it's like almost if you were to have like images behind an image.
It is. It's there, but it's so on and it's so hidden,
and you have if you're not looking exactly for it, it's hard to see.
But I found I have found it in so many things as recently as
Yahoo posted pictures of the clouds from the Lahina fire and they're like literally dogheads
and I'm sorry, not the clouds the smoke from the Lahina fire, and
there are pictures of dog faces there, And I don't know if it has
to do with kind of you know, if we're showing them the animals they
love most and we're putting it right in their face to make them see it
that it's not going against their free will. It's kind of like we're showing
you that we're lying. We're putting it in your face that there are your
most beloved animal is in images of space or under the ground. And I
don't know if it if it's kind of like a laugh on us, where
they're just putting it there and laughing, or if it's like we need to
do that to kind of not impact their free will like they do with you
know, putting it right in our face in movies and things like that,
kind of like disclosure. That's like we told you that's our symbol. Yeah,
exactly. Mentally, p Hall, you know who was the thirty third
degree Freemason, he said how much symbology means to the elites and the people
who are in the club. And he does say that once people figure out
how to read the symbols and then and only then the great veil will fall
from mankind's eyes. So and I I agree with that, and I'm starting
to see them all over the place. And it's the dog thing is crazy
to me. I've seen it in the Tesla and Space. There's a just
so people if they want to go check it out, there's a it's one
of the main you know, I think it's probably maybe a minute or two
video on YouTube. You can research the Tesla and Space and it is.
You can see there should not be a reflection of anything, and there's on
the wind shield. You know, they're showing the test Less supposedly floating in
space and it's kind of maneuvering around a little and the camera's changing angles and
in the windshield, do you see this reflection start to come up into the
into the Tesla? And I mean, sure enough, it is. That's
one of the clearest ones I've ever found. It as a dog's CGI imprint
in the Tesla windshield. One of the ones we were you and I were
not sure if it was before or once we started recording. But talking about
David Ike, and he's big for your listeners, He's really big into you
know, talking about reptilians and the matrix we live in and things like that,
and I was into him for a while, but I what I've come
to find and believe that I truly think he's kind of part of the club
too. And there was a video I was watching with him and it's his
name, Brian Rose. I think, yeah, yeah, do you know
what I'm talking about? Okay, So they're talking and behind Brian Rose there's
this giant flag and is he see England? Is he from England? He
certainly is, yes, Okay, so it's probably an English flag or British
flag, And there's a lot of white in this flag, and and it
should just be white, there shouldn't be any sort of discoloration. And I
see discoloration. So I zoom in and what do I see? A bunch
of dog faces in it? And I show my wife. I was like,
do you see these dogs? And she's like, yeah, I do.
I'm like, well, that is exactly like I thought I would find.
And then the end of the video, it's an Instagram video, they
go and they shake hands and again there's like a weird camera shot and they
just zoom in on their handshake, but right behind their handshake. There is
a giant metal dog statue that's like right in the film, like they're purposely
showing at instead of their handshake. And and I really like, I think
this is I don't think many people know this, if any, And I
think it's something that I kind of wanted to get out there and see if
other people kind of started to look into it, if more people could see
it, because I truly think it's a way to kind of tip off the
lives of the world. And they've put it in so many things I couldn't
even list them all. That's interesting. Yeah, and that's the show they
do is called London Real. That's Brian, Yes, yes, yes,
that's it and David. I. Yeah, I haven't watched it in a
while, but yeah they and again to two and a half million subscribers.
Well yeah, as soon as when I saw the London Real had one point
five or two and a half whatever it's at now, I was like,
yeah, Like, he says a lot of good things, but you know,
I think the big thing he those guys are pushing is they'll say a
lot of things that you know, people like I like myself, like to
hear, like, you know, the vaccine was bad, vaccine was evil.
But their big agenda seems to be crypto. They seem to be wanting
to push crypto a lot, and that is that. I know there's a
lot of people that are excited about that, but man, once you lose
control, and I'm someone who have personally been affected. I had my PayPal,
both my business and personal canceled because I dared to do an episode on
paper or black Rock and vand card and the next day I got a letter
from PayPal headquarters. A couple of days later and it's it's you know,
for me, it was personal. I'm like, dang, you know here
I am. I served my country proudly, this, that and the other
thing, fighting for my First Amendment rights, and just because I say something
that goes against the agenda, I'm deplatformed. I had to scramble to figure
out a way to get paid for my ad revenue and everything else. And
it's frightening. And I don't think people who haven't really had to go through
something like that, to have their bank taken from them, that their means
of income one, you know, one of the means of income, it's
you're you're officially in the war. You're officially in the spiritual war when you
were targeted, and that was over a year ago. And obviously there's another
wave coming. You know, we all got I had a YouTube channel and
I can't post anything anymore. Uh, it'll get pulled mid stream. They
don't don't even wait for me to finish streaming anymore. So it's important you
know these things we talk about and listen, uh, this podcast that everyone's
listening to. We may not agree on every single thing we're discussing, but
one thing we will all agree on is we are being deceived. Absolutely,
and it's I've heard you to say that they should down your paint down and
it's just it's unbelievable to me. And obviously I wish you nothing but continued
success and growth, but I don't want you to get to I'm a little
worried for you. You're gonna get to a point you're too big, and
that they're gonna flow your whole this whole podcast. Well, that's why I
I keep the websites going if I if you know, there will there's a
lot of talk in the communities that there's going to be a podcast purge the
way there was a YouTube purge. That's why I keep that radio player on
the websites. I can stream live from there anytime I want, so I
could leave a note on the website, Hey, I'm gonna go to live
tonight at eight pm tonight, and then I have ham Radio. I can
buy time with w c QB and I can stream from there. You know,
fifty thousand plot tower that There's lots of other backups, but obviously the
logistics get more difficult. But it's amazing how you could you know people on
YouTube and TikTok that they can literally have shows on the most the level of
debauchery of some of these shows that that get all these you know looks,
and then if you try to have something where you just want to have an
honest conversation about your your personal beliefs and convictions, you're you're held at gunpoint
and told you're you know, a shuckster and get off our platform. Yeah,
it's crazy. I wanted to mention something, you know, we were
talking about David Ike and Brian Rose guy, and I just wanted to mention
this because I've heard it the past, maybe even two of the last three
episodes I've watched or I'm sorry. I've listened to of this podcast and I've
heard a lot of positive talk about Kennedy and RFK and and I, you
know, I'm not here to bad mouth anyone, but I I have found
some things and discovered some things that really make me think he is just again
like everybody else. You know, I don't see any difference between you know,
him or any other candidate. They're all the same people. I think
you would probably agree with that. But I think he is someone that is
being put put forth right now to reel the people like ourselves back in,
to reel the people who are upset about the vaccines, and to kind of
be like, Okay, this guy is anti vaccine. He's telling us the
truth. I you know, one of your listeners I was talking about how
he was an attorney and he's really interest the truth. And I don't see
it that way. Not everyone has to listen to me, but I just
wanted to make sure I put my opinion about that out there because I,
you know, I think he's part of the bloodline, like just everybody else
probably Oh yeah, and the Kennedy bloodline. They got wealthy at the expense
of everybody else. Who lost money during the Great Depression of the late twenties.
Money the big families like the Boeing family, who is the Boeing Airplanes,
the DuPonts, Just like covid Man. It was a huge wealth transfer
and nothing different there definitely one thing I did want to touch on is a
few was there a smoking gun for you? And then do you keep what
is your silver bullet for you? If you have a few moments to talk
with someone and try to if you could give him one piece of advice,
like what won you over for flat Earth? I think Polaris is big for
me, even though it kind of threw me for a loop at first.
But when I first sat down and you know, took a screenshot of where
Polaris was when I was sitting in my backyard, and I an hour later
took a screenshot sitting in the exact same spot and it hadn't budged, and
then did the same thing the next day. That was the aha moment.
Unfortunately, I went and was looked at Google and was not eive enough to
realize or to not realize that Google was just you know, creating some nonsense.
Because I didn't realize Google was full of nonsense at that point, So
that kind of delayed my aha moment. But I was real close to getting
there. I was really thinking there was a good chance. And then I
had seen on YouTube there was you know, and I know you've talked about
this, but there was there's a clip of a guy who took a video
or a picture of the Chicago skyline from the Warren, the Michigan Warren Dune
State Park, and it is you know, if you do the math,
the globe math, there's I think, you know, at sixty miles you
shouldn't be able to there should be a you know, two thousand foot curve
where you can't see an object two thousand feet tall. And the Series or
Willis Tower as it's called now stands at about fifteen hundred feet and in that
picture you can clearly see it, sir. And then so I sent that
to a friend and then he found a picture that had clearly been doctored.
To me, I was it might have may have even been a video,
but it was like it almost looked like they just took the water and they
put it higher so you could only see a little bit of the Sears Tower.
And we went back and forth. I'm like, your videos doctored,
and he said, my videos doctored. And I, luckily, I was
going to Michigan that next week, and I took a tour and went to
that exact spot that the worn State Dunes in Michigan and saw the entire Chicago
skyline, talked a bottom with my own eyes and I didn't have to rely
on the picture. And that was the last straw where I was like,
it's flat. And I think I had probably already known that, just because
the my star incident with the dogs and the stars. But I think that
is that's not so much the smoking gun of it being flat, as that
was the smoking gun of this place is not what they've told us. So
I think i'd use pilaris and I'd use water. And how it's always level
and we see too far all the time. You can't ever experience a curve
ever, And you know, for some reason, that seems very easy and
logical to me, but apparently that's really hard for others to see that that
you're trying trying to tell to people about. Yeah, it's funny now that
I'm kind of on the other side and I'm awake and I can see.
And there's days when I'm sitting here in the office doing some work, answering
emails, and I think I was like, wow, I actually believe that
water could stick to a ball. Yes, right, I was down at
We live about a half hour from Lake Michigan, and my wife and I
were down there today. And you know, I always my brother is a
boat captain and he cannot even get close to flat earth because of being a
boat captain. I think he swears and he says that he learned and that
he sees, and this is nothing against him. This is just kind of
describing his point of view that he can see as a boat goes away,
it goes from you know, bottom, the bottom disappears first and then the
top. So he is someone that cannot get on it, and he is
on He used to work on Lake Michigan and he would see it all the
time. And from my point of view when I'm trying to think of you
know, you can see when I'm down at Lake Michigan, the beach I
go to, I can see thirty miles to the north, and I can
see about thirty miles to the south, and I can see Chicago. So
there is an expanse of about sixty miles, and when I look out to
the horizon, you know, I could understand how you can't see like you
would think, Okay, you can't see the curve going away from you.
Okay. But what I've never realized, and I heard someone say that it
may have even been on your podcast. You can't see it going away.
But if I can see all the way to my left and all the way
to my right, we don't live on a paper towel. The curve isn't
just going away from you. It would be going from side to side too.
And it's just like, how did I never notice that all I see
for miles on miles and miles of horizon is straight water? It's not we
don't live on a paper towel. And does that make sense the paper towel
analogy? Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's
just like you. I just sit down or I was sitting down there today
and I was like, I don't know how I ever believe this. It's
it's crazy, and I've had I was at a friend's house for dinner the
other week, and you know, he knew I was of this mindset,
and he I didn't want to talk about around his kids. And I could
tell he had had some sort of experience with flat Earth, and you know,
he was like flat Earth, really, like why flat Earth? And
you know, I you know, explained why, and and it just seemed
like you had experience. And I was like, what, what is your
previous experience with this that you have such a negative, you know, kind
of mindset with it. And he had said his daughter came home from school,
his daughters maybe nine or ten, and was convinced the Earth was flat
and they literally had to spend three weeks teaching or how I was round.
And it made me so upset just thinking about the fact that this poor kid
is doing everything right and just experiencing the world as it is, experience using
her senses to see that the sky is or the earth is not moving,
but the stars and the sun and the moon is moving above us, and
that we're not spinning, and that we're not walking upside down on the other
side of the Earth, and for you know, like it upset me so
much. But I just you know, like he he is so set on
it, and he doesn't want to listen to my point of view that I
you know, I can't say anything. I can't go you know, I'm
obviously not going to go to my friend's child and say, hey, the
Earth is flat, but it was. It's upsetting to me, especially as
a teacher, and I'm I'm even struggling with going back to schools as a
teacher. Fortunately for me, I don't teach anything that I don't agree with,
but it's just it's tough to go back to a place that you don't
agree with. Now, based on knowing that it's just the indoctrination camp that
it is. Yeah, we're starting to get stories and hear stories from other
podcasters who is this was a science teacher and he decided to start his own,
you know, like a homeschool community because you know, especially if you're
a Christian and you believe in the creation story and a geocentric like a biblical
cosmology, and then you have to go, you know, sit in front
of if you're doing five classes a day, thirty children, that's one hundred
and fifty children that you're teaching evolution in the Big Bank theory too, because
it's demanded by the state and the federal government. There's a lot of people
who have a hard time coping with that, Yeah, for sure, And
like I mean, I couldn't even imagine being you know, say I was
a science teacher or even a history teacher with some of the nonsense history that
I've come to realize exists. I know I wouldn't be able to do it.
But as a strength and conditioning teacher, you know, I can teach
things that have nothing to do with the lies. But it's still I'm having
a tough time wanting to go back because I know, I know it's something
I'm passionate about and we want to talk about, and kind of like we
talked about earlier, it's like a lot of things are just small talk now,
and I don't I know that it's truth to me, it's truth to
you, and it's not a belief, it's it's knowledge. It's but the
school systems won't see it that way. And I know anything I would say
about it would just get me in hot water. And at one point I
had this burning passion to go in and try to make some really positive change
and get people to see, you know, it's just the whole thing for
several weeks has been I just want to start, you know, a row
of domino is if I could push one domino over, then who knows what
it could change. And I think I have struggled really hard trying to do
that with any friends, any family. I've tried a few teachers, and
it is almost an impossibility. But I think part of that has obviously been
my approach. It just pushing too hard, too fast, instead of like
us, say, leaving the bread breadcrumbs. One thing I did want to
ask you before we started to wrap things up, where where's your wife on
board? As far as the truth train that you know you're pretty far ahead.
Where is she at with some of these things? I'm glad you asked.
It's been it's been a struggle. I think you know, from my
perspective, She's someone I've been with for twenty five years, and you know,
I feel like if she were to come to me and say something,
I would just take her at face value, like I would give her the
benefit of the doubt, and I would be like, Okay, I don't
think the earth is flat, but I'm willing to listen. And she has
not wanted to take part of it, and it's been a struggle with us.
However, recently her cousin came over. He's a college student, he's
twenty one, and I had no idea how much of an open mind he
had. So her cousin came over to fish, and her dad came over
to fish. And my wife has experienced nothing but negativity from other people towards
me, nothing but people thinking I am crazy and delusional and schizophrenic and all
the words you can think of. And her cousin, Pierre, came over
and her dad and her cousin is like fully red pilled and is a flat
Earth. I had no idea, is totally red pilled on all the things
I am. So she sat and kind of just heard us talk and realized
that I'm not the only one that thinks this way. And then her dad
was super receptive. He heard us mentioned flat Earth, and he was like,
what's flat Earth? And my wife said, it's the belief the round
or the Earth isn't round, it's flat, and he goes, yeah,
it's like I think it could be. He's like, they just told us
in school was round, but I've never seen proof. He's like, you
might be right, Tyler, and like it was like the weight of the
world lifted off my shoulders because I had two people not only willing to listen
and one of them fully on board with a lot of my beliefs, but
another one that was just open minded enough to not shut me out right away.
And my wife was kind of just a bystander and listened and participated a
little and I think that kind of just change her viewpoint on this a lot,
to the point where she's asked me a few things, like a few
concepts of flat earth that you know, about the firmament and different things,
and it's like we're having discussions about it instead of arguments now. And it's,
like I said, it is a load off the shoulders. That's awesome,
and that can make all the difference in the world where you can just
have a couple of people at least say yeah, it's possible, you know,
yeah for sure, bit of vindication. It doesn't you know, everybody.
I understand everybody's journey is different. And again there's a lot of people
who you know, I say this, but still, after everything we've gone
through over the last three years, I'm a little surprised how many people still
blindly trust the state. You know what I mean, the state, I
mean, you know any that the state, the government at the federal level,
and they're just not looking out for our best interest. And we know
that, you know who runs the earth. And going back to uh,
what's his name? The musician who you know, if he can make it
do with the devil, I mean, he's here, you can, you
can do these things. And the people at the top of the food chains,
all the secret societies and there is that there's a reason why they call
themselves the Illuminati, because they're illuminated to information that we don't have. There's
there's information for the peons like you and I, and then they, you
know, they know the secrets of the world, and for us everything is
deception. And that's simply the world we live in. And we just all
we can do is strive to find the truth, yep. And I'm trying
to encourage people to do that. And I you know, like I said,
I you know, I think people get the impression that I'm pushing things
on people because I want to be right, and that is for that can
be more far from the truth. All I'm trying to do is give people
the knowledge that they're being lied to and that they shouldn't trust the people that
are telling them to take vaccines or to do this, and you know,
like my family was all very quick to get the vaccines and even you know,
persuaded to me to do it, and not my favorite way kind of
where I was feeling to the point where I wouldn't be able to see my
niece and nephew. So I ended up getting it against my better judgment.
But you know, half my reason or ninety percent of my reason of trying
to push this knowledge on people is so if there is a situation like that
again, they know that they shouldn't trust the people telling them to do things,
from the media, from the news, from your own president. They're
not people, like you said, that have our best interest at heart.
And that's not a belief of mine anymore. I know that it's a great
way to kind of get to the closing of this program is yeah, that
they manipulated families and they use so many deceitful ways. And you know,
I just said I recorded a four hour retrospective on COVID and having to go
back and to listen to the ridiculous things that they were doing and the level
of propaganda they used against us, and then just to realize that was just
a few years ago. Imagine what they've been doing for all those years,
and much of the deception they use is very subtle. Well, you know,
we go back to the TV, the movies, and it's a long
process and it's very difficult to break the matrix. But once you do,
it's like being born again, and you literally are born again. And to
me, from my perspective, it brought me closer to God. I realized
he was right above polaris. You know. That was my journey to the
truth and it brought me closer to God. But it also made me realize
that I don't depend on man. I don't answer to man. Right,
everything was given to us by God. Yeah, and I couldn't agree more
I you know, I kind of mentioned earlier, just kind of in my
upbringing. I was raised Catholic, but went to you know, Catechism and
got confirmed and all that. But it was between me and my friends.
It was something we had to do. It was something that was pushed on
us. I was never overly spiritual. I believed in the Big Bang and
evolution, and I am one believer in God. Now you know, where
I have a Bible sitting next to my bed. I'm praying, do we
have two minutes where I can tell kind of a quick good story has to
do with that a little bit? Yeah ahead, Yeah. Well, So
I bought some flatter shirts and I was very proud to be sporting those,
and woke up the other morning and I wanted to share my thoughts on the
Lahainah incident with my wife. And like I said, she is we honeymoon
there, so it's very close to her heart. She was very upset by
it. But right away I thought there was something a little bit more nefarious
to it. So but I came in the bedroom and I wanted to tell
her about it, and it was first thing in the morning, and respectfully,
she has asked, you can talk about this stuff, but first thing
in the morning, I don't want negativity. I don't want to talk about
Satan and I crossed that boundary. So we got into a little bit of
an argument, and I didn't want to apologize, and I probably should have,
but I ended up leaving. I just wanted to go and take a
bike ride and pull off. So I've got my flatterth T shirt on and
I'm biking. I'm biking, I'm biking and I get about thirty miles away
from my house and I take a left off this bike path and there's about
a twenty five foot section area, and I should say real quick, before
I get to that, I'm those thirty miles I'm praying. I'm saying to
God, please give me a sign or give me the strength to help me
through this time with my wife, Like it's it's a hard time because I
have these beliefs, and anyway, I'm having these prayers, and I throughout
my whole life, I have not been a big prayer unless I'm getting on
a plane and terrified, which I'm not me more because I believe in God.
But anyway, I'm praying on that bike ride and I get to this
twenty five foot section of path where I'm literally only going to be on it
for those twenty five feet. I turn, I'm on it and I'm passing
just one single gentleman and he looks at me and he gives me a thumbs
up and he goes, I think it's flat too, And I stopped and
I was like, do you really think that or are you just like making
fun? He's like, oh no, He's like, I really think it.
It comes over and we start talking and he's like, I've had some
pretty incredible experiences. He was telling me about this experience with photographing the moon
and eclipse and how it just didn't add up the way it was told.
And I had literally just my last post on Instagram was about an eclipse in
the moon, and we just got talking and it turned out he was going
he he was biking from Wisconsin to Florida because he wanted to see his kids
and he didn't have a car, and he's been a bad dad and he
just broke up with his girlfriend and he's literally biking from Wisconsin to Florida.
But before he even gets to Illinois from Wisconsin, his bike broke down.
So he's walking and we talk and we're sharing all these things and we're very
aligned in our beliefs and things, and it was just like you couldn't believe
how many things we agreed on, and especially for me because a lot of
them were in a short amount of time. And I just and I let
him and I go, you know what, I was like, take my
bike. And he looks at me and he's like his eyes water up a
little, and he's like no way, and I'm like yeah. I was
like, you gotta take my bike, like, I'll figure out a way
home. Take my bike, and he said, I'll take it under one
circumstance. And he knew I was on my bike because my wife and I
arguing, and he goes, I'll take it under one circumstance, and he
said you need to be kind and love your wife, and then he started
crying. I started crying. I hugged him, and then I hadn't even
got his name yet, and then he told me his name and his name
his initials were JC, and I was like, this is like the most
insane incredible thing that I'm hugging the stranger crying, giving my prized bike possession
a white because I love that thing, and then had been praying on it.
And then Joseph Cougar happened to be meet me within the only twenty five
feet of my thirty miles I would have ever come across him, and it's
just like, there's just another confirmation that there are bigger things in this world
than us, and if you focus on the right ones and the positive ones
like God and friends and family, some good things can happen you know what
a story and people say there there's no such thing as miracles anymore, and
that's that's an incredible story. You know you God set that person for for
that to for you know, He meant for me to to at that particular
time. The timing of it and the fact that I had never worn a
flat earth shirt and the literal twenty five feet out of thirty miles that it
could have only happened and as initials were, jac was just it was too
perfect. That's awesome. I have a T shirt of a globe and the
word indoctrination under it. People just give me confused looks. I've never got
anybody they're coming on it. They just look at it and they're confused by
it. All. Oh, I'm sure. Well it's You've been a tremendous
guest and we've had a great conversation and I want to thank you for your
time and your honesty and just incredible you know, your transformation, and you've
taken in a lot of information and I know sometimes I know it was for
me and it's a list of the day. When I go down certain rabbit
holes, it can be certainly overwhelming, and it's great to be able to
sit down and chat with like minded people. I do. I'd like to
give you the opportunity to close out with anything else you'd like to say.
Honestly, I just want to thank you. You know I mentioned earlier you
and your podcast and all the other like minded individuals and fellow flat Earthers that
I've been listening to. Chat with you is been more therapeutic than going to
spend money with my therapist. And nothing against him, he's a he's a
great guy, but sometimes it just helps to to hear like minded individuals.
And George keep up the amazing work. I'll be listening to every episode and
maybe someday I can come on The Fact Hunter as well and talk a little
bit more holographic technology. Absolutely, we'll look to that towards the end of
September. That's that's something again after flat Earth, you're willing to look into
anything. You're not as quick to judge certain subjects, because once you realize
that the Granddaddy of all was alive and anything as possible, that is for
sure. It's been another great episode, and I want to thank everybody for
your continued support of the podcast As we approach one hundred episodes and we haven't
quite hit a year yet, and we'll keep chugging along, trying to bring
different voices from around the world with their journey to the truth and flattered and
again for Tyler, I'm George, God bless everyone. Keep your head on
a swivel, and until the next time we see you, folks, we
will see you.