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This episode may contain content of a
graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome by

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Oh? Yeah, I'm sorry,
let's hear some true crime. I'm gonna

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not stop talking because it's my episode. Let's do it. Have you ever

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heard of Arthur Shawcross. Yes,
okay, Well, I'm gonna tell you

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all about him today. I don't
know who he is, but I have

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heard of him. Well, he's
a horrible, horrible person, of course,

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horrible serial killer absolutely, and so
I'll start with his background. Perfect.

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He was born premature, okay,
in the early morning hours of June

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sixth, nineteen forty five, at
the US Naval Base in Kittery, Maine.

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I think I said that right.
He was two months early. Probably

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not. We always mispronounced everything.
That's another thing about us. He was

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two months early. I was two
months early, okay, But anyway,

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for sharing, you're welcome. At
the time of his birth, his mom

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Elizabeth, she went by Bessie.
She was just eighteen years old, and

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his father, Corporal Arthur Roy Shawcross, he was twenty one. Two weeks

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after his birth, Bessie took baby
Arthur and she moved. She left.

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Well, yeah, she moved to
Waterton, New York. But she only

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did that. She really didn't leave
the dad. She left because he was

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being deployed, so she went to
be closer to family. By nineteen forty

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eight, the family had built a
small house in a rural area six miles

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northwest of Waterton, near Brownville.
Arthur was only three at this time,

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and yet he already was beginning to
show signs of some abnormal behavior, starting

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fires, badwater. Yes, and
he talked like a baby until he was

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about six. The following year he
started running away from home, which family

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members she ignored. Yeah, when
he was seven, they said, you

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know, it's just a way for
him to get attention, so they just

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kind of ignored it. By the
time he was eight, other behavioral problems

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began to surface. He seemed to
really dislike, like, kind of hate

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children younger than himself now, and
he would tease them until they started to

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cry. That's not that abnormal,
that is true. Sometimes he became obsessed

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with his sister, Jeanie, and
he ignored his other sister and brother.

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So he had he had two siblings. Yes, he's one of three.

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Yes, he invented imaginary friends and
he spoke to them using strange voices.

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And he's eight doing this. Yeah
about that, Okay. His classmates constantly

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made fun of him and called him
Addie because he was odd, and he

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absolutely hated this nickname. Ah No, Arthur was a loner whose weird behavior

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made it really hard for him to
communicate and mix with the other kids.

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He would often seen He was often
seen being alone, like in the classroom,

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he's kind of ostracized, you know, the kids would be out playing.

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Yeah, because he's weird. A
school nurse remembered him as being troubled,

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and he constantly ran away from home. He often carried an iron bar

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with him. Oh, he was
just a weird kid. Okay, so

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now everybody's got this picture of this
weird kid. Yeah. By the time

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he entered third grade, Arthur's behavior
only got worse once He's only in third

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grade. I mean, he was
just a weird kid, and his grades

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plummeted. He was given a series
of psychological tests which indicated that his behavior

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was due largely in part to his
feelings of inadequacy rejection. He had a

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growing hostility like this hostility that he
felt towards his parents, especially his mother.

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Was he being abused no surprise,
surprise, mummy issues. Regardless of

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the results of the tests, he
later moved on to fourth grade, where

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he stayed for two years. He
did not asked fourth grade the first time

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around. During this time, he
ran away yet again, and he was

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picked up at the Canadian border.
I mean he's like light or nine.

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He's like nine. Wow, I
know. So by the time he was

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nine, his home life was no
better and a school was even worse,

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especially when Arthur's mom found out that
Arthur's dad had a whole other family in

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Australia, in Australia, in Australia. How does somebody do that? Well,

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back then it was easy, really
probably Okay, it was maybe like

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the fifties, right, Okay,
it might have been a lot easier.

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Did you take a long time?
He got deployed out there. I'm being

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deployed. Yeah, I'm being deployed
Australia again. Okay, all right,

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exactly. Arthur did his best to
stay out of his mom's way, which

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meant he spent a long time at
his grandma's house. He said though he

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suffered some sexual abuse from home.
While he was at his grandma's house.

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He said that his mom, he
said he was suffered the sexual abuse from

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He said he suffered the sexual abuse
at the hands of his mom. Okay,

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so maybe that was happening earlier.
Maybe he would say that, you

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know, true, I don't know, because we have to rely on what

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Arthur said, okay, okay,
so maybe I don't know, and we

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know serial killers don't die, right, never, never, okay, he

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said. She first began masturbating him, and then soon we started performing fallacio

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Okay, he said. His aunt
joined in. Yeah, all right,

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I'm not saying it's not true.
I know, but I'm just it's a

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little far fetched, but it could
have happened. Maybe, you know,

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I'm not going to discount it.
As the years passed, Arthur grew even

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more violent and he would often beat
up the neighbor kids. He just became

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well known for his explosive temper.
He also began breaking into houses he stole

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from local businesses, and this is
when he started lighting fires. Called it.

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I knew it was coming. You
called it, you knew it.

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On one occasion, after falling into
a river at a family picnic, oops,

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he complained that his legs were sore, so he was given a brain

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scan and a battery of other tests
to determine, you know, why are

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his legs sore? But the tests
revealed nothing. And that's what his family

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said, Oh, he's probably doing
it for attention, right, yeah,

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because he's always did stuff exactly becoming
increasingly withdrawn and anti social. Arthur fell

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further and further behind with his schoolwork, and by the time he was in

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eighth grade, he was three years
older than all the other eighth He should

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have been like a junior. Eighth
grade isn't hard to begin with, let

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alone, you're three years older,
yes, and everybody else. Yeah,

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So he was obviously an outcast and
way through puberty and all that, right,

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I mean there's a big difference.
Yeah, there's a big difference between

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eighth grader and an eleventh grader.
By his mid teens, he was still

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wedding the bed, and he had
check and he had almost completely withdrawn into

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his own little private world. He
spent hours walking in the woods, where

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he would talk to himself. He
was often seen yelling at inanimate objects and

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beating the undergrowth with a stick.
Schizophrenia, don't spoil it. No,

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I'm gonna spoil it. No.
He was never diagnosed with schizophrenica. He

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would beat the underbrush with a stick
as if he was fighting someone or something

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that wasn't there. By the time
he was fourteen, Arthur claimed that he

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was regularly having oral sex with his
sister Jeanie, and his cousin Linda.

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Oh and like mom and an nice, he insist. He also claims that

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he had another relationship with a young
girl who lived nearby, and they were

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caught by her brother and at the
time he was performing oral sex on the

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girl. That is more believable.
The brother supposedly threatened him, like I

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said, I'm going to tell your
parents unless Arthur performed earl sex on him.

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Okay, all right, again,
I'm getting really annoyed. But it's

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from Arthur's, you know, his
point of view. And it was around

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this time that Arthur's craving for sex
became insatiable, and he continued to have

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oral sex with anyone, like any
chance he could get. That year also

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marked the period when Arthur claimed to
have his first associated violence. Wait,

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I'm sorry that didn't come out wrong. That you're marked a period of time

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where Arthur claimed this is when he
first associated violence with sex. Okay,

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okay. It began after he's walking
home from school one day and he was

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picked up by a man in a
red convertible who supposedly held him by the

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throat while performing oral sex on him. Was he kidnapped or did he willingly

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get I think he willingly got in
the car and he This is what Arthur

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had to say about it. He
said, quote, he held onto my

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balls and sucked me off end quote. Oh, I don't want to say

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about any of this ship. This
one's pretty graphic. When Arthur failed to

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reach orgasm, the man antally raped
him and dropped him close to his house.

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Oh. I hope that's not true. I hope that's not true.

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From that time on, Arthur claimed
he could never reach orgasm without inflicting pain

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on himself, on himself, on
himself, oh right. The following year,

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he was arrested for breaking into a
serious department store. Do you remember,

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of course, I remember sears.
They're not around anymore. Yeah,

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it doesn't that long ago. I
remember, course. Okay, anyway,

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go ahead. But he didn't take
anything, so he was just given pro

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like. All he did was break
in. Why break into sears? I

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don't know. Maybe he just got
a throw up breaking into places, who

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knows. For the next few years, Arthur wandered aimlessly throughout life until the

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age of nineteen, and that's when
he got married for the first time.

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He got married. Yucky lady,
some lucky lady out there snagged him at

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the ripe old age of nineteen.
The union lasted less than three years and

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produced a son. In nineteen sixty
eight, at twenty three years old,

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Arthur went into the army. And
so it's nineteen sixty eight, and you

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know what's going on at that point, no more Vietnam War. So he

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began a tour of duty in Vietnam. Just prior to his leaving for Vietnam,

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Arthur married his second wife. So
he got divorced, Yes, divorce,

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and he's what twenty four, Yes, he's yeah, twenty three,

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twenty four. A second wife,
yep, prettame was Linda. They had

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a very brief courtship. Once he
got to Vietnam, he was assigned to

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a year unit as a supply clerk. As a supply clerk, one of

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his duties was to arrange for the
distribution of ammunition, which consisted of him

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traveling to other units by helicopter.
And it was at that point he later

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told psychiatrists that he started going out
on fire missions with various companies. Faire

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missions are when the unit was assigned
a specific target and included like when you're

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supposed to fire on it and how
much ammunition you're supposed to use. So

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if they said, you know,
access your target in action, he yes,

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they're in action. Yes. Initially, when he was in Vietnam,

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he said, you know, he
was initially shocked by all the violence,

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but soon he began to crave the
danger of going into the jungle looking for

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the enemy, and he referred to
himself this is when he became a predator.

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Onward. On one such mission,
Arthur claimed he encountered two Vietnamese women

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hiding guns. I don't want to
know. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

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They were hiding these guns in a
hollow tree. He shot one of them

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initially, and he tied the other
one to a tree. The woman who

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was shot, she was actually still
breathing when Arthur cut her head off.

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What Yeah, this is what he
said he did. He said, then

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he took her head and put it
on a post. What the fuck is

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this ship for the Vietcong to find? Okay? He then he said,

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he cut off a section of her
thigh and roasted it over a fire.

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He did that to the one.
The other one she tied to a tree.

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Watching this, Yes, and he
said he ate it, or ate

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a portion of it. So we
have. We're very else here, right,

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you have to question, Yeah,
exactly what's going on? He said

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the other woman. He ended up
having oral sex with her, and he

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raised her before shooting her in the
head. And then he said he butchered

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her body, which I'm taking to
me and he dismembered her. Okay,

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he's doing all in the jungle Vietnam. Yeah, alone roasting. Okay,

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where's the guys in his company?
I don't know. I don't know,

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I don't know. I'm taking a
story. I don't know anything, he

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says. Right, He became an
expert sniper who claimed that he fashioned a

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silencer out of a rubber nipple from
a baby's bottle. Can you even want?

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I don't. I've never tried to
make my own silencer. No,

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never, no, no, I
swear I haven't not yet. But I'm

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maybe I have gone. I don't
know what if. It seems kind of

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weak to be able to be a
silencer. But this is what he said

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he did. And this guy says, he said that allowed him to pick

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off the enemy without giving his position
away. Really, yeah, why wouldn't

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Why wouldn't everybody just put a nipple
on? Right? I know I have

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no words. So I'm already annoyed
with this guy so much. Oh,

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you're gonna hate him. Before this
episodes over, Arthur admits he became an

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animal quote unquote in v Nam,
and he found it difficult to control the

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violent urges that he had that drove
him to rape and kill. The enemy

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weren't the only victims of his sexual
rays of his sexual rages, as he

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also claims to have tacked several Asian
sex workers. Salma's young as eleven years

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old. It's just sad. Yeah, sad, discussed it right over,

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asshole, Alight, that's getting really
angry. Yes. When he returned home

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to Waterton in nineteen sixty nine,
but he was lovely. He was a

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changed man, but not for the
good. No, he was continually agitated.

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He found it hard to relax.
After after visiting his mother, he

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went to see his wife, only
to find that she had spent all the

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money he had sent home and she
was sing another man. Well, you

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know, what, what the hell
was he doing? Exactly? I can't

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get mad at Linda. Soon after, when he was transferred to Fort Sill,

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Oklahoma. That's where he was to
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in the army. Linda went with
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that they got they I guess,
I know, even though you know she

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spent all their money in love.
I guess this. At this time is

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when Arthur began to experience violent flashbacks
and nightmares, and he began to physic

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his own action. By the way, right, he began to physically abuse

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Linda, which led him to consult
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The doctor suggested therapy and a period
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him, But Linda was a Christian
scientist and she was wary of doctors and

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hospitals, and she refused to sign
the commitment papers. So he wasn't able

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to get that help in the Army
hospital, and they didn't volunteered to know

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they were trying to involuntarily commit him. Yes, without therapy, Arthur's mental

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state began to decline and he became
wine. Okay, he was already in

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the ascent, so we're just continuing
descent descent. Sorry, you're right,

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descent descent, my bad up down
descent ascent. Yeah, you're right,

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he spiraled. Okay, Okay,
he just grew more and more irritated Linda

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and her family. In April nineteen
sixty nine, Arthur took his anger out

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by setting fire to a local paper
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where he worked at the time,
A cheese factory. You know, I

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do like the small burnt cheese,
but it is really delicious. You're right,

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Not when people could be hurt.
No, I know, I wonder

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when he did it after hours.
I don't know. I don't know.

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He was later arrested and convicted on
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to five years in prison. He
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at Attica Prison, where three inmates
allegedly raped him. Okay, this guy

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has been sexually assaulted. H oh. Arthur claims he later got revenge by

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beating and raping each of his attackers
and separate incidents. Eventually, he was

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transferred to Auburn prison to serve out
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he's given early release when he saved
the life of a prison guard. Loves

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nice of them and the prison guard
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was sparked by racial tension in the
prison. He returned to Waterton to start

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a new life, but it was
without Linda, Linda can only do it

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was without her. They got divorced
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His stay in prison did little for
his already fragilemental state, and by

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the time of fragil did I say
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by the time of his release,
he was in a highly agitated fraom of

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mind, ready to do further damage
to anyone or anything. But he now

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war and be in prison did not
make him a better person. Unfortunately,

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it just gets worse. One of
my favorite things. She says that all

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the time to me, and when
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Yes, it's gonna get really,
really fucking bad. It's gonna get bad,

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and it's time to settle into a
normal routine. Arthur took a job

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at the Waterton Public Works Department as
a handyman, and he got married for

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the third time. This guy could
he just you know, couldn't beat the

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women off of a stick. Apparently
all right. His new wife, Penny

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Nichol, was a school was a
school friend of his sister Jeanie and had

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two children from a former relationship.
Arthur claims that up until this time,

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he was still having a sexual relationship
with his sister Jane. He's going to

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ask about that really, in that
she introduced him to Penny because she had

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gotten pregnant by her boyfriend and couldn't
continue her relationship with her brother Arthur any

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further. Okay, why if you're
having relations with your brother, what does

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it matter if you're pregnant, girl? I don't know rules to incest.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. By his recollection, after five months, the relationship

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with Pennies seemed to be going great, and at one stage she got pregnant,

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but she miscarried sometime later. He
claims that the marriage came under threat

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when Penny's father accused him of sexually
assaulting Penny's younger sister. Arthur said,

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you know, he denied all these
aim but from that time on, Penny's

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parents spent a great deal of time
around the house watching him, probably trying

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to protect the sister. Does she
live in with him? Okay? Arthur

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spent a lot of his spare time
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As a result, he came to
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and he often shared the same spot
with them, because little kids liked to

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go fishing and everything, and Arthur
probably liked the little kids. Well he

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didn't them, just spoiler alert.
But I don't know. Maybe he did.

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I don't know, Okay. One
of his regular fishing companions was ten

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year old Jack Blake, and on
one occasion Arthur had gone to the boy's

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house to ask Jack's mom, Mary, if Jack could go fishing with him.

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According to Mary, when she refused
because she probably thought it was weird.

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Yeah, what are you doing,
your little creeper, Arthur was polite

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and agreed that she had made the
right decision. Oh what's he gonna do

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to Mary? He doesn't do anything
to marry Oh goad. Sorry. Four

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months later, on the morning of
June fourth, nineteen seventy two, Jack

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went out to play near the Cloverdale
apartment block where Arthur lived, and he

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never came home. Later that night, while out looking for her son,

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Mary Blake knocked on Arthur's door and
said, you know, where's Jack?

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Have you seen Jack? Said,
I haven't seen him. No, I

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haven't seen him since this morning.
What the matter was that Arthur had taken

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Jack into the woods and after stripping
him naked and forcing him to run through

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the woods. What yeah, what, he caught him, molested him and

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then strangled him. You just told
me the kid, I didn't want you

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to do what I knew he did. That's horrible, Yeah, it is

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horrible, man. Why would he
do that to Jack? Jack was his

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body like they fished together? Because
Arthur's a fucking asshole. Okay. Later,

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Arthur would admit to removing the boy's
heart and genitals and eating them.

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Stop. I know the story.
I told you. It gets true though

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the backs to back that up,
which is Arthur. I believe it just

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came from Arthur. Okay. Although
Arthur was a suspect in Jack's disappearance,

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no action was taken due to a
lack of evidence because he doesn't admit the

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stuff until later three months later,
when the police were still searching for Jack,

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eight year old King, they hadn't
found his body. Eight year old

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Karen and Hill was found dead under
a bridge near Black River. She had

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been raped, mutilated, and strangled
wasn't care for the boy, girl man

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woman who When a police investigation revealed
that Karen and Arthur had been seen together

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earlier that same day, Arthur became
a suspect in her murder. After they

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received another report that Arthur was seen
eating ice cream at the bridge near where

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the body was found, the police
picked him up and took him in for

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questioning. He was by the way, hey Jack, you know what a

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coincidence? You know Jack too?
It was only three months after Jack had

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disappeared, So I don't know.
I don't know if the police put the

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two in two together. He never
was charged with anything regarding Jack's disappearance or

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murder. Arthur was interrogated at police
headquarters for a full day before he surprised

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the police by asking them in front
of his defense attorney, what's going to

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happen to me? If I tell
you something? I have to get into

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trie so fast. Well, it's
probably a wold have been arrested. I

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had somebody on retainer maybe okay,
sorry, that's okay. So if he

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was my client, I've been like, shut up, shut up, she's

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got nothing to say. Would have
kicked him when he said that I didn't

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pinch him. After several more hours
of interviews and bargaining, Arthur ended up

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pleading guilty to the land to the
manslaughter of Karen Ann Hill. He was

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later convicted and sentenced to twenty five
years in prison. It's a lot for

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a manslaughter case, don't you think. Well, I mean, I mean

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it's not life. But yeah,
I'm just so confused. Like he had

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an attorney and he just went and
spilled his whole guts out. M I

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probably wanted to tell someone, don't
you think. Yeah, probably got off

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on it, yeah, or at
least bragg at least bragg a. Yeah.

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He was never charged, like I
mentioned, with the murder of Jack,

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even though he did later admit to
the rape and murder. And he

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showed police where he had dumped the
body. And I don't know why that

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wouldn't give them enough to convict him. Here's his body, I mean,

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yeah, anyway, maybe it was
a part of a police maybe the body.

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If you don't, maybe charge me. He subsequently told police psychiatrists that

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he had returned to the grave site. Oh stop, do not you got

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ready for this on several occasions to
have sex with Jack's corpse. Adding in

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nephilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, child
the lasting. Yeah, he's just fucking

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gross. Yea, extremely, this
is a terrible growth story. Absolutely.

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Arthur began his second jail term in
the New York Penitentiary in greenhn For the

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first eight years he was there,
he spent much of his time protecting himself

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from the other inmates because they found
out he was a child killer. Yeah.

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Absolutely, he was like the lowest
of the low. His record shows

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many incidents of fighting minors, stealing
offenses, lighting fires, and refusing to

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lead a cell. Eventually, though, he began to settle in to prison

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life. He's getting older now,
yeah, you know, more mature.

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Maybe he started behaving himself and he
seemed to be a model prisoner. Stop

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during his raping anybody, beating,
anybody, setting fires. Now he's a

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model. Now he's like a sawyer
boy, right. Yeah. During his

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incarceration, he claimed that he tried
to tell the prison psychiatry that his problems

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were a result of the Vietnam War, but they refused to listen because psychiatrists

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apparently don't listen. Oh yeah.
One of the first psychiatrists to examinee was

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doctor Albert dresser. He did not
consider Arthur a psychological risk resent. What

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does that mean? Well, his
report shows that he didn't perceive any evidence

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of delusions hallucinations, Okay, didn't
diagnose them with any sort of mental ill

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right, there was no sensory deception
in Arthur. Some months later, in

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October nineteen seventy three, another prison
psychologist, doctor mc williams, also examined

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Arthur, and he carried out a
series of tests including the Bender motor Gustalt

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test and the Weschler adult intelligence tests. Yeah, but found no evidence of

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any neurological impairment. What he did
find was that Arthur suffered was from being

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fucked up. He suffered fits of
deep depression. Well, okay, and

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in prison. Yeah, I mean
right, Prison's just depressing enough. But

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he also relied heavily upon fantasy as
a source of satisfaction coping skills. Yeah,

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fantasy. Yeah, you're right,
you're right. His final entry in

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the case file was that he considered
Arthur quote to be a normal individual,

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but who knows he's done wrong.
It would like to help himself get back

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on the right track for his eventual
return to society. No, no,

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not gonna happen curiously. In his
file, though, an unknown person crossed

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out the reference to normal person and
doctor mcwilliam's report and wrote the words a

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psychopathic killer above it, yeah and
pencil thank you. You know, someone

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was like, nope, nope,
nope, it's not normal. In nineteen

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seventy six, doctor Micah doctor Michael
Boscha examined thirty one year old Arthur,

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and he found that he hadn't come
to terms with the severity of the crimes

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that he did, and he constantly
blamed other people for his problems, so

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he didn't take responsibility for anything.
In his opinion, Arthur hadn't requested that

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first psychological exam. He didn't request
it like to deal with his mental problems.

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He had done it merely to impress
the parole board. The following year,

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this model prisoner had taken courses in
locksmithing and horticulture. Locksmithing, Yeah,

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let's let him know. Let's let
a criminal let locksmith think locksmith.

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I thought that was funny too,
Yeah, that's interesting. And he began

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preparing for his ged with more than
a touch of irony. He also began

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working with mental patients as a counselor. Oh soul right now, tell me

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about it. I know, hey, I know how you're feeling. You

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I'm like cutting someone's heart out.
I'd been there. I've been there.

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This is how you cope? What? What? How did they let him

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do that? What? I don't
know, I don't know and befool them

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all or something. I don't know
how, But go ahead. I don't

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know, I don't know. I'm
so confused by this and angry. Before

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I tell you more, we're going
to take a break. In June nineteen

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seventy seven, yet another prison psychiatrist, doctor have Alwalla sounds good. I

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probably mispronounced he did, I'm sure, gave him another psychological exam and found

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that although he had adapted to prison
life, you know, he had a

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prison routine, but he had his
schizoid personality. I knew it, Yeah,

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I knew it. He was antisocial
and he had a distinct personality disorder.

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In addition that that was his personality
disorder. They didn't specify. They

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just said it was a personality disorder. Probably everything. I'm sure there's a

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lot of things he have been diagnosed
well. The doctor also wrote, quote,

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this man does not show a good
degree of evidence of successfully resolving or

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working out his psycho sexual conflicts end
quote, which sounds like he's pretty dangerous

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to me, because when you do
that shit, you can't get better.

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Some things cannot be turned around.
No, no, they can't. Absolutely,

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if you find God and Jesus,
you still can't stop the sexual fantasies

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and desires. I mean, I
don't know personally, I'm just saying,

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I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Two
more years passed and yet another report was

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tendered which described Arthur as quote a
person of abnormal character traits with psycho sexual

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tendencies. It must be noted that
the above mentioned complications tend to be chronic

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in duration. Like you said,
you just can't used to like to have

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sex with dead children or cannibalize people
over that now or you know, commit

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necrophilia. Yeah right. Basically,
what most doctors were trying to say that

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under was that under normal circumstances,
Arthur was a passive individual, but when

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subjected to stress, he became a
slave to his inner sexual drives and he

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00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:23.279
was unable to stop himself from giving
them full rain. I get it,

408
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:29.119
you're under stress, but don't you
want to kill someone when you're under stress.

409
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:36.839
No, no, well, okay, I mean we're recording. As

410
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.880
your attorney, I would suggest you
don't answer my own question. Everybody in

411
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.480
life has stress, Yes, exactly, most of us cope with it.

412
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.920
I mean maybe not so well,
but yeah, okay, we don't murder

413
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:54.119
people. I don't. No,
I don't. I don't. It's being

414
00:32:54.160 --> 00:33:00.440
clear and regardless of these and other
unfavorable logical report, you do not tell

415
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.559
me he gets out or lose my
mind. Oh okay, we'll be prepared

416
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.319
what. Arthur continued to improve himself
in prison. By nineteen eighty five,

417
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:15.160
he had completed his high school diploma
and had enrolled in college courses at Penn

418
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:21.640
State University. A parole report during
that same period further stated that Arthur exhibited

419
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:28.480
a belligerent reaction, representing a foreboding
potential for a possible re enactment of his

420
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.720
tragic behavior. It's a lot of
fancy words to say, he was going

421
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.039
to read He's gonna do it again. Yes. The report went on to

422
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.440
further criticize the prisoner for his disdain
for the prison sex offender program and is

423
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:45.119
playing his fury during a parole interview. You gotta be nice. You would

424
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:52.839
think that you play the game honestly, right, but incredibly, despite the

425
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:59.240
numerous psychological reports to the contrary and
the board's own misgivings, don't say it.

426
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.960
I'm gonna say it. Arthur qualified
for early release in March nineteen eighty

427
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.719
seven. Anne was deemed to be
fit to re enter society. What the

428
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:14.360
fuck is that, Tanya? I
know? His pearl officer was quite upset.

429
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.599
Why bit after his release. This
pearl officer he worked in bingham in

430
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.599
Binghamton County, his name was Robert
T. Kent. He wrote to his

431
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:29.400
superiors, get a load of this. I quit fuck you. I'm moving

432
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:35.519
away to get away from this freak
quote. At the risk of being melodramatic,

433
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.440
this writer considers this man to be
possibly the most dangerous individual to be

434
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:47.440
released to this community for many years. Hello, Hello, people, somebody

435
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.760
gets it with it? You know, I'm like it all worked up?

436
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.960
You know, no one? No
one heeded the warning. When Arthur was

437
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.000
released and he was placed in the
Binghamton area, the officials and residents of

438
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.880
Waterton had made it plain and clear
they didn't want him there. Who wants

439
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.039
this freak? Right? He also
had been maintaining a penpale relationship with a

440
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:20.079
woman named Rose Wally and indicated they
get married. Oh they do, but

441
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.880
you're killing me here, he told, you know, he told the Pearol

442
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.239
Board he's going to go live with
her. He's probably gonna marry her.

443
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.119
Because his pearl conditions, among other
things, you know, required him to

444
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.920
have somewhere to go. It restricted
his movements to Broome County. He had

445
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.119
a curfield, so he couldn't go
out, you know, between eleven pm

446
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:45.960
and seven am. He couldn't are
taken any alcoholic beverages. He wasn't allowed

447
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.440
to have contact with anyone under the
age of eighteen, and he was supposed

448
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.360
to stay away from schools and other
places where children were. Well, that

449
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.480
makes sense. This stay in Bangington
proved to be a short one because nobody

450
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.360
wanted him there. So he got
approval to move to Delhi, New York,

451
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.440
and that's when he moved in to
Rose Wiley's apartment. Shortly after he

452
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.800
moved in, however, the residence
of that community got wind of his presence

453
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.360
and they wanted him out. They
wanted him out, so he appealed to

454
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.559
the parole board and he was sent
to live in the basement of a Baptist

455
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:23.639
church in Delhi until suitable accommodations could
be found. He and Rose later moved

456
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.960
to Fleischmann's, New York. They
moved into a large house, and Arthur

457
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.800
obtained work with a local building contractor. So everything seems to be normal.

458
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.400
Yeah, but a woman, got
a big house, got a job.

459
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.079
Everything seems to be going great.
But within a matter of days days he

460
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.639
was recognized at a local post office
and later that night an angry mob hell

461
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.119
yeah, thank you, led by
the mayor. Oh, we're like,

462
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.199
he needs to go, they assembled
outside his house and they demanded that he

463
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.880
leave the area. In the following
weeks, Arthur and Rose were bounced around

464
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:06.000
from one area to the next and
until they were finally given an apartment in

465
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.480
Rochester, New York. Because you
know, he's bound by these parole conditions.

466
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.599
He can't just move where ever he
wants. Eventually, according to Arthur,

467
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.199
he grew tired of the parole boards, interference, interference, and he

468
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.800
and Rose got their own apartment and
new jobs and settled into their surroundings.

469
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.079
Because what would happen, is,
he would say, him having trouble here

470
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.719
they would find him a new place
to live, so he instead he just

471
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.480
said, we're going to find a
place to live. Okay, I don't

472
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.119
need your help. Yes. The
job that Arthur got was at a company

473
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.199
where he was employed to pick salads
and boxes. Oh seems like a I

474
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.880
don't want a different job. Yeah, I don't know. His life seemed

475
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.239
stable enough until Christmas nineteen eighty seven, when he was forty two years old.

476
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.199
This is when he asked his family
to come to Rochester to meet Rose

477
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.119
and they refused. Well, yeah, I'm surprised to him talking to him.

478
00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.960
But his mood darkened when his sister
informed him at the only visited her

479
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:07.119
in Virginia and told her how they
had returned. And she told Arthur how

480
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.519
his family had returned the Christmas presents
that he had sent them. Why would

481
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.360
you tell him because he can fuck
off? Oh, I don't know.

482
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.840
Because he's had sex with it.
He murdered kids. I don't know,

483
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.760
that's why. Yeah, I'm surprised
anyone in his family he been talking to

484
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.880
him after everything he alleged had like
allegedly having exactly, so, I don't

485
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.679
know. He became angry and ranted
about how his family didn't want him.

486
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.119
Who is right for me? Anyone? Out at his bike and rode for

487
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.679
miles until he cooled down. Shortly
after the Christmas incident, he started a

488
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.119
relationship with another woman. What having
a Rose, Well, she's still around.

489
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.519
He's got two ladies now, must
be. Is he good looking?

490
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.920
No? I mean my standards.
No, I don't know. Maybe the

491
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:01.320
ladies found him. I mean pretty
low, you bitch, Just kidding,

492
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.840
but I don't know. So this
new woman was Clara Neil, and she

493
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.400
had a car, and he often
would borrow her car. For a year,

494
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.880
he maintained both relationships, and he
explained to Rose that I'm just being

495
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.079
nice to Clara so I can borrow
her car. I'm using her. I'm

496
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.360
using her. Yeah, okay,
honey, okay. Great. Because he

497
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:27.480
didn't want to ride his bike everywhere. On one particular evening, this is

498
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.000
March fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight,
he rode his bike to Clara's and took

499
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.360
the car and he drove around until
he reached Lake Avenue, which is near

500
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:40.800
the Genesee River. It was an
industrial area well known for its chief sacks

501
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.559
and drug deals. As he drove
slowly down the street, twenty seven year

502
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:52.000
old Dorothy. She went by Dotsy
Blackburn signaled for him to stop. When

503
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:53.199
he pulled over, she asked him, you know, do you want a

504
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:58.800
date? He said yes, and
she directed him to park his car behind

505
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.320
a warehouse. He told her he
wanted to have mutual oral sex, and

506
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:07.239
he paid her thirty dollars. She
then undressed like she got his car undressed,

507
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:13.000
and she complied with his request.
Okay, now this is what Arthur

508
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.840
describes. He says, at that
point, dots He bit him on the

509
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.239
penis, drawing blood. Why would
she do that? Thank you? He

510
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:24.480
said. He became enraged and bit
her vagina out of revenge and squeezed her

511
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:30.199
throat until she lost consciousness. He
then attempted to stop the flow of blood

512
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:36.360
from his damaged organ and tied Dotsy
up with articles of her own clothing before

513
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.920
driving out of town along State Route
one oh four to an area in Northampton

514
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.239
Park called Salmon River and it was
one of his favorite fishing spots. Okay,

515
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.760
so she's still alive. He told
her that he was going to rape

516
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.840
her, and she began taunting him
and calling him names. That's what you

517
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.599
do when you're tied up and you're
terrified for your life. Yeah, he

518
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.159
threatened to kill her, but she
can tinue the name calling until he just

519
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.639
couldn't stop. He lost it.
Yeahs stressed out. Yeah, he took

520
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.559
her. He took her neck in
his hands, and he crushed the breath

521
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.880
out of her. He stayed in
the car with her body until nearly midnight,

522
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:19.239
then calmly carried her through the snow
to the river bridge and dropped her

523
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.920
body into the icy river below,
because that's what you do. Walking back

524
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.119
to the car, he drove back
into Rochester and drove up and down Lake

525
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.960
Avenue looking for any sign that maybe
indicated people were looking for Dotsy. You

526
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:36.519
know, didn't anybody miss her?
I don't know how we would find out,

527
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.320
right, And you're just putting yourself
back into an area where you could

528
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:47.800
cause suspicion. That's why I called
bullshit and everything he said satisfied. You

529
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.119
know, okay, that nobody saw
me pick her up. He went to

530
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:54.519
a nearby coffee shop to relax.
That's what you do, right, And

531
00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.440
after about an hour or Starbucks or
whatever. Yeah, after about so he

532
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.159
went back to the car. He
collected Datsy's clothes and other property. They

533
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.199
threw them into a dumpster bin.
The following morning, after he cleaned up

534
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.800
Clara's car, he returned it to
her, and then he wrote his bike

535
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:20.519
home, thanks, let me use
thanks. Because of his normally erratic behavior,

536
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.320
I guess he'd probably disappeared a lot. Neither of these women in his

537
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.920
life realized that there was anything different
in his behavior. Plus, you know,

538
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.880
he suffered from these nightmares, and
you know, so if he was

539
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.519
acting weird, it was probably normal. And they liked it. They liked

540
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.880
normal, they liked weird, they
liked him. I guess you're probably right.

541
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.840
Something little off about them too.
I'm guessing I don't know him.

542
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.559
I don't know him. They're probably
lovely. I don't know. Maybe,

543
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.599
I don't know. Maybe. In
the following months, Arthur became a Lake

544
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.920
Avenue regular, and he was well
known by the local sex workers as Mitch

545
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:59.920
Mitch Mitch. On March twenty fourth, about a week after Arthur murdered,

546
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:06.360
Dotsy Plice found her body floating in
the river some distance downstream from the area

547
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.679
where she had been dumped. Her
body was well preserved by the icy waters

548
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.320
because it's March, but It also
removed any evidence that might link her with

549
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.960
her killer. The one thing that
they did notice about her body was there

550
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.880
was like a chunk that had been
torn from her vagina. And so that's

551
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:30.599
where he better bit or tore a
chunk bit he said he better, said

552
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.119
a chunk. Well, that's where
there was a chunk missing. Okay,

553
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.519
okay, I'm no he didn't he
said he better. Oh, I believe

554
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.000
he better. But that's a bite, that's more. I mean, that's

555
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.039
like, never mind, let's just
move on. I don't know what it

556
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:49.960
looked like. Girls like Arthur then
contained his urge to kill for several months.

557
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.760
But when Arthur's boss learned why Arthur
had been in prison because apparently he

558
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.079
didn't know, he fired him,
and that triggered off Arthur's next wave of

559
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.679
violence. The second victim, while
this is actually the fourth victim, but

560
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.679
because you don't give to count jack
and what would have helped Vietnam to yeah,

561
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.840
m yes. She was a part
time sex worker named Anna Stephen who

562
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:22.039
Arthur had picked up and taken to
the river near Driving Park Bridge. Arthur

563
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.840
claimed that she had offered him sex
for twenty dollars, but when he was

564
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.039
unable to get an erection. She
began making fun of him, because again,

565
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.239
this is what people do. I
guess I don't believe it. Everybody

566
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:38.119
else's fault. They're all just bullying, right Arthur, making fun of him,

567
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.400
calling him names, right, I
mean, it goes back to childhood.

568
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.119
He became angry and punched her,
which made her fault to the ground

569
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.320
trying to get away from him.
She crawled into the water, but he

570
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.639
went in after her, and he
held her under the water until she drowned.

571
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.960
He later told police said he couldn't
be bothered trying to conceal her body,

572
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.119
and he just let it float down
the river. I'm surprised that he

573
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:07.280
just drowned, like that's all he
did me too, You're right, she

574
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.280
became caught up in debris downstream,
where because of the warmer conditions, her

575
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.239
body rapidly decomposed. From that time
on, he tried to resist the temptation

576
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.559
to kill. He got another job
working nights pecking salads for a company called

577
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.559
G and G Food Service, pecking
salads again. Yeah, he was pecking

578
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:29.440
salads again and at night, So
maybe this kept him off the street for

579
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.480
a while. It did, because
he didn't kill again until June nineteen eighty

580
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.119
nine, so it was maybe like, oh, a year and three months,

581
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.199
so we know, yeah, so
he says. So, he says

582
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.920
he was forty four at the time. This next victim was different than the

583
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.960
first two, and that she wasn't
a sex worker. She was a fifty

584
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.079
year old. She was a fifty
eight year old homeless woman named Dorothy Keller.

585
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.039
And I'm gonna call her Keller because
we already have Dotsy and Dorothy in

586
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.000
our story. Arthur had met Keller
when she worked as a waitress and a

587
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.360
diner that he frequented. The two
struck up a friendship, which quickly turned

588
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.800
into an affair. What the hell, dude, he's a ladies man.

589
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.679
This is It's crazy right. One
afternoon, Arthur was on his way to

590
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.199
the river to fish when he stopped
to talk to Keller. When she found

591
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.960
out where he was going, she
asked, can I tag along? He

592
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.920
said, sure, I wants to
tag along fishing I don't know anyway,

593
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:30.639
According to Arthur, they spent the
morning fishing and having sex. Fishing and

594
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.880
having sex, and they're out the
open along this river bish and had some

595
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.440
sex by the river. Daylight,
right, I mean, I don't know.

596
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.480
I don't know. I've never seen
people do that, but okay,

597
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.679
I'm sure people are doing it,
all right. I don't know. They

598
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.079
were there until midday when it started
to rain. They huddled under a crude

599
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.119
shelter that he had built, and
while there they got into an argument about

600
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.599
Keller stealing money and about his relationship
with Clara and Rose, because apparently she

601
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.360
was jealous that Clara and Rose were
in his life. I don't know.

602
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.719
He claims that when Keller threatened to
tell the other women about the affair,

603
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.360
he became angry, he got upset, he got stress, and he had

604
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.239
no other choice but two. He
picked up a log and beat her on

605
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:22.519
the side of the head, killing
her instantly. M Yeah. After hiding

606
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.920
her body under a fallen tree,
he returned home. He later told police

607
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.159
that he returned to the spot.
Sp don't do not say he had sex

608
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.920
with her. Yeah, several months
later. What he didn't have sex with

609
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.719
her. He removed her skull and
he dumped it in the river. I

610
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.320
know that, Okay, he probably
did, because it's what he fucking does

611
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.039
all the time, so I wouldn't
doubt it. Yeah, No, one

612
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.519
said he just put her head in
the river, because that's not disgusting either.

613
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.760
Maybe, yeah, I probably,
I don't know. Didn't want her

614
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.079
identified. I don't know. I
don't know. Fisherman eventually found Keller's remains,

615
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.679
but Arthur was never connected with this
woman, even though he had been

616
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.599
seen with her regularly and often went
to this fishing spot. Let's not forget

617
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.679
his history. No, but nobody
put two and two together. The next

618
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.639
to die was another Lake Avenue sex
worker named Patricia Ives, and she was

619
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.559
known on the street as crazy Patty. Oh I want to be as crazy

620
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.760
Tanya you are, but we just
don't say it to your face. Oh

621
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:23.840
okay. He claims that she offered
him sex for twenty five dollars and when

622
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:29.480
he approached the same wait, I'm
so sorry. He claimed that she offered

623
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.079
him sex for twenty five dollars.
When he approached the same diner where Dorothy

624
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.920
Keller had worked, he agreed that
they He agreed, and they went to

625
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.840
a construction site. While they were
having sex, Arthur said he caught Patty

626
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:46.239
like reaching for his wallet oh okay, and he pushed her heart against the

627
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:52.000
ground when she began to cry.
He antally raped her and began strangling her

628
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.920
until she went limb These poor women, I know. He hit her body

629
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.480
under some scrap of construction material.
He waited until dark and then he went

630
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.960
home. It's so cruel. Oh, he's awful. I told you you

631
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.159
were going to hate it before.
This episode's old for the women. I

632
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:14.039
mean. Two months later, he
killed another sex worker named Francis Brown in

633
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.239
similar circumstances, except in this instance, he claimed to have choked Francis with

634
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:25.199
his penis. He choked her literally, I'm calm, bullshit. Oh so

635
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:31.119
during oral sex? Yees, during
oral sex? Oh man, what are

636
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.800
we to go? Hontelea? What
the fuck is that? This whole?

637
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.239
I hope, I just hope he's
lying. I hope he's lying too.

638
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:42.519
It's horrible. And he said he
continued to have sex with her after she

639
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.480
died. Okay, I do believe
that. Okay, I'm not stopping.

640
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.519
Do you have any good news?
It's horrible. I know, it's really

641
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.559
horrible. No, seriously, it
is horrible. That's horrible, yes,

642
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:01.239
okay. He then dumped her body
down a nearby and ba. Following Francis's

643
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.000
murder, the media began to pick
up on the story of the murdered five

644
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.320
Rochester, New York women. This
all happened within eighteen months, and they

645
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:15.760
called the unknown perpetrator the Rochester night
Stalker, the Rochester strangler, and the

646
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:21.159
Genesee River Killer. Some even suggested
that the crimes were similar to the Green

647
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:25.599
River killings in Seattle and speculated that
the killer had merely just changed locations,

648
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:31.239
like maybe you know, because they
hadn't caught Gary Ridgeway by then. For

649
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:36.880
the next victim, which total,
how many more we get, Well,

650
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.719
this is the eighth victim, and
he did have a total of thirteen victims.

651
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.239
Of a few more to tell you
about, Arthur again chose someone close

652
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:51.079
to home. June Stats was a
friend of Arthur and Rose and regularly was

653
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.480
a visitor at their home. She
was also mildly mentally challenged. Arthur had

654
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.480
seen June sitting near the river on
a warm November day, hanging up by

655
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.079
this river I know, and he
said to her, you know, do

656
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:06.519
you want to come for a ride
with me? She accepted and they drove

657
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:12.800
down to a local bench O beach. Sorry, she accepted and they drove

658
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.440
down to a local beach where they
played in the sand and fed the birds

659
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.159
before they walked to a deserted area
and lay down on the ground to have

660
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.840
sex. Everybody's just dying to have
sex with Arthur by a river, by

661
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:30.079
a river. At some point during
sex, Arthur claims he made an innocent

662
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.880
comment about her not being a virgin, and she started screaming. He then

663
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.599
held his hand over her mouth to
silencer, and then he soon realized he

664
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:45.599
had accidentally suffocated whoops. He then
cut her open with his knife so that

665
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.360
she would decompose quicker, and he
covered her with a blanket in some nearby

666
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.119
brush and then left her. You
blood all over him? Think, So

667
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.360
that's why I don't know. I
don't know how to feel about him saying

668
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.599
these things. You would think,
like there's nobody else in this area.

669
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:07.199
It's I can't I can't even look
gum on the sidewalk without getting a ticket.

670
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.519
Right, I don't know, not
that I have. Well, guess

671
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.280
what he did something horrible to her. He later claimed that he removed her

672
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:22.719
vagina and some of her organs and
he ate them. Okay, again,

673
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:24.000
I don't know. Is he trying
to shock? Where? Where do you?

674
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.159
Where? How do you? I
don't know what a coup bullshit?

675
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.360
Yeah, I hope. So.
Look it's what I know. I can

676
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.199
only say what the fux so many
times? I know it's bad, It's

677
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.440
just bad. Why would you admit
that? Like, I know, That's

678
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.280
what I'm saying, Like, is
he trying to shock probably like the police

679
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.679
or I don't know. I don't
know. Maybe he did do it,

680
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.000
I don't know. That same month, Arthur picked up Maria Welch from Lake

681
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:58.280
Avenue, that's where the sex workers
were usually found, and he took her

682
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.559
to a small beach near the bank
of the Genesee River, where they argued

683
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:07.880
over a suitable price before they began
having sex again. Like Patty Ives,

684
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.280
he claimed that Maria tried to reach
for his wallet like that. Yeah,

685
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.760
they're all just robbing him, I
know, And so he snapped and he

686
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.000
strangled her. He later changed his
story, and he told investigators that he

687
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.119
had become angry and killed her when
he realized she was menstruating, because that's

688
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.880
her fault. He drove further down
the road next to the river and dumped

689
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.800
her body in some bushes. Who
knows what the truth is. On November

690
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.559
eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, police. Police investigators from the sixty strong Serial

691
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:44.039
Crimes Unit identified the body of Francis
Brown. Incredibly, no one in the

692
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:49.440
newly formed task force uncovered the fact
that a known sex offender and child killer

693
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.920
was still on parole living in their
midst I don't know. It's before computers

694
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.440
were really popular too. I guess
I can't blame, you know. I

695
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.559
mean today you'd all know. They
don't know, you know, hopefully,

696
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.360
hopefully. Two weeks later, on
November twenty third, while police were examining

697
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.360
the decomposing body of June's stats,
Arthur killed again, as before the pattern

698
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:15.559
was set. He picked Darlene Trippy
up from the Lake Avenue area and drove

699
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.360
to an isolated car park. After
the money was paid, they had oral

700
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:24.480
sex, but Arthur failed to get
an erection. He claimed she became frustrated

701
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.639
was calling him name, oh there
we go again, rights and taunting.

702
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:36.039
He said that enraged him. He
choked her until she lay dead under him.

703
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.519
He dumped her body in open woodland. The following month, he killed

704
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:45.639
Elizabeth Gibson in a similar fashion when
she got into his car to keep warm

705
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.519
while he was getting coffee from a
diner. They had oral sex in the

706
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.159
car, and again he claimed she
tried to take his wallet, and angry,

707
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:58.159
he strangled her. Arthur later told
police that she had struggled so hard

708
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.159
that she had broken the gearshift his
car. He disposed of Elizabeth's body in

709
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.199
an area near Wayne County that he
hadn't used before, as he feared that

710
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:13.719
the police were getting too close.
Like he went he did dump people like

711
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.880
in similar areas. So I mean
it was stupid. He was stupid,

712
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.599
thankful, because that's how people get
caught. Two more weeks passed, and

713
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.639
even though the police were out in
full force in the Lake Avenue area,

714
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:31.360
Arthur picked up an attractive girl named
June Cicero and took her to another another

715
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.800
isolated area, and attempted sex with
her before he strangled her. He dumped

716
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.519
her body off a bridge near the
Salmon River. Two days later, he

717
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:46.119
returned to the dump site with a
small Handsaw. Okay, and that's when

718
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.920
he said he cut her vagina from
her froze body. Okay, it was

719
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:58.039
just okay, I don't understand,
all right. The final victim, yes

720
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.760
please, yes, was another sex
worker, only she was different than the

721
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.800
others because she was a black woman
named Felicia Stevens didn't fit his normal profile.

722
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.440
When he was interviewed later, he
said he really couldn't remember too many

723
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.880
details about killing her, other than
the fact that she was a black woman

724
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.199
and that he strangled her. He
dumped her body near those of June's Cicero

725
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.719
and Dorothy Blackburn. And Dorothy Blackburn
was his first victim that had picked up

726
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:28.400
like one of the first sex workers. It was this desire to keep the

727
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:34.960
bodies where he could find them again
that left he was capture. On Wednesday,

728
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.039
January third, nineteen ninety, forty
five year old Arthur drove to Salmon

729
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.000
Creek in Northampton Park to visit June's
Cicero's body. He was aroused at the

730
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:52.559
thought of him and say he hadn't
been following the progress of the Serial Task

731
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.079
Force that had become prime news on
TV and in the newspapers, which I'm

732
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.760
really surprised because a lot of killers
get off on that. Yeah, and

733
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.800
I thought you said that he went
to like some park, like a parking

734
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.239
lot and dumped one because he thought
they were getting to clothes. But he's

735
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.159
not following it. Yeah, he's
not following He had clippings and stuff like

736
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.559
they do. He didn't follow it
that close. He's just visiting the body.

737
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.000
And if he had followed the case, he would have known that the

738
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:22.880
police surveillance was in and around the
Northampton Park that had increased dramatically. But

739
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.599
they were out in full force.
You know, they really wanted to catch

740
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.440
this killer. He was happy that
there were no cars parked where. He

741
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.360
wanted to stop on a bridge overlooking
the creek so he could view June's body

742
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.880
while he ate his lunch. So
I guess he could get it. He

743
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.400
could get on this bridge and I
guess he could see her. Well,

744
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:42.559
he ate his lunch, lunch just
casually. I'm gonna, you know,

745
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:47.719
bring my brown bag. And I
know he didn't realize that a police helicopter

746
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.760
had been checking the Salmon River and
had not only seen his car parked on

747
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:58.360
the bridge, but also the outline
of the body under the ice. Oh

748
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.639
wow. Yeah. As a helicopter
approached, Arthur noticed it. He left

749
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:08.400
the area and drove along Highway thirty
one and he turned laughed at route to

750
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.039
fifty nine, heading toward the town
of Spencerport, with the helicopter following him.

751
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.920
You're not going to get away from
the helicopter found him entire time.

752
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.800
The helicopter crew then called in to
patrol cars to follow Arthur and intercept him.

753
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.840
They followed him to an address in
Spencerport where the car was parked,

754
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.800
and Arthur got out and entered the
Wedgewood adult home where his wife worked.

755
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.719
Oh hey, honey, honey.
I The police entered the home and asked

756
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.480
the attendant about the man who had
just honored, and they told him he

757
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.599
went down into the basement. The
police followed and approached Arthur in the basement

758
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:49.239
and they asked for his ID.
Well casual about it. He took his

759
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.880
ID out and said, hey,
what's up? What do you guys?

760
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.840
Stop sign? What what's you doing
here? They then asked him to step

761
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.760
outside to answer some questions. Later, he was interview in the car by

762
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:05.480
Paul Dasillis, who was one of
the Task Force investigators, and he was

763
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.280
asked why he had been at Samon
Creek in lunch. Yeah you know,

764
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.880
but Arthur said, oh, I'd
been out driving and I stopped a pea.

765
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.679
But then when he saw the helicopter, he got shy and he decided

766
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.119
to sit in his car and pee
in a bottle because guys do do that.

767
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.920
Ye so, but God forbid the
you know, helicopter see him p

768
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.000
outside. It's probably a crime.
I don't know. Yes it is,

769
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.920
Yes, it is for several hours. Can't just piss outside. I don't

770
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.039
do it. I know. But
you're a lawyer, You're like, it's

771
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.840
probably a cript. I's gonna let
you know. Thank you to Leah.

772
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:47.079
Detective Dacillus question Arthur for hours,
question him extensively about his movements that morning,

773
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:52.000
but found that Arthur had a pretty
convincing story while they were talking.

774
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.960
While they were talking, Arthur told
him about his earlier conviction for the chick.

775
00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:01.400
Hey, guess what kids better casually? I don't know. Detective d.

776
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:07.440
Sillis continued to ask him questions about
his wives, his jobs, his

777
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:12.559
sexual habits, and even asked him
details of the attacks on Jack Blake and

778
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.719
Karen Hall. Those children, Karen
Hill, those children. Throughout the questioning,

779
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:21.760
he was completely cooperative, even though
he hadn't been arrested and he was

780
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.079
talking to the police voluntarily. Later
that night, he was released and he

781
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:30.880
went home, unaware that his house
was now under constant surveillance. The following

782
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.559
morning, the detectives picked him up
early again because they're like, we need

783
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:42.199
you to come back to the station
questions. There's some inconsistencies we need your

784
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.360
help with. Again, Arthur complied
with their request and he went with them.

785
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.440
They drove him to an area near
a golf course where he had supposedly

786
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.440
had a liaison with a sex worker
who had said, you know, he

787
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:59.599
often took her to this area and
that's where he picked up a lot of

788
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.599
sex workers. When Arthur agreed with
that assrotation, he's like, yeah,

789
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:07.639
I do. He was asked to
accompany the detectives to their office, where

790
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:15.559
an official interrogation was conducted. Later
that same evening, Arthur positively identified photographs

791
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.360
of the eleven victims, and he
confessed to their murders. Thank god,

792
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.559
okay. He then accompanied the police
to various grave sites, and later that

793
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.280
night, after twelve straight hours of
interrogation, Arthur was officially charged with the

794
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:35.079
Genesee River killings. At his arraignment, Arthur followed his court appointed attorney's advice

795
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:39.360
and and pled innocent on all charges, and it was strongly rumored that he

796
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.960
was going to raise the insanity defense
for the next several months, Arthur was

797
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:50.159
given a multitude of tests by numerous
psychiatrists, one of which was doctor Krauss,

798
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:57.039
who compiled an extensive report which suggested
that Arthur was quote and emotionally unstable,

799
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:05.079
learning disabled, genetically impaired, I
know, biochemically disordered, neurologically damaged,

800
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:10.840
individual, psychologically alienated from significant others
during his entire life, venting his

801
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:16.519
frustration and rage mixed with fear and
defiance in a lifetime of ever more violent

802
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:22.880
and destructive aggression which ultimately turned to
overpowering, murderous fury aka fucked up.

803
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:32.000
That's its diagnosis. Yeah, I
mean, he just so tell me what

804
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:38.360
happens to him? Please please?
Well, he went on trial because we

805
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:43.800
didn't take the stand. It was
extensively covered by the media. The only

806
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.960
defense witness was not Arthur. It
was doctor Dorothy at now Lewis, who

807
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:53.519
testified that Arthur had been hideously traumatized
as a child. Maybe that's true,

808
01:02:53.559 --> 01:03:01.000
which left him with multiple people personality
disorder. Oh really yeah. Yes.

809
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:07.719
She also cited post traumatic stress disorder
caused by his war experiences as a root

810
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:13.760
cause for his behavior, which it
probably contributed. Yeah, but a lot

811
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.960
of people went through. Oh yeah, absolutely, they don't do this shit

812
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:23.039
show whatever. I can't even fucking
you're so angry, so angry, you

813
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.480
can't even talk. No excuse for
it. I know. I don't know

814
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:30.480
why one person goes through the same
thing and they don't end up killing thirteen

815
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:35.519
people. But anyway, Arthur acted
like a good boy, and he made

816
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:38.119
sure to play the part, play
the part. Sitting in court. Could

817
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.039
you look like a goddamn good boy? We sat there. I'm sorry,

818
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.360
I'm gonna be I only ate the
vagina. No, you can't be a

819
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.519
good boy. He tried to give
the impression that he had advanced psychosis to

820
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:52.960
the jury, which I don't know, what, do you have a crazy

821
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:58.239
look on your face or something.
But the jury was less than impressed because

822
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.159
it only took them six and a
half hours. I took them six and

823
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:03.800
a half hours. Yeah, well, there's a lot of there's a lot

824
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:09.559
of victims. They returned a unanimous
guilty verdict and recommended a sentence of two

825
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.679
hundred and fifty years in jail.
Okay. In September of nineteen ninety nine,

826
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.159
Arthur was found to be selling his
paintings and autographs on the Internet from

827
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:24.760
within prison. The New York State
Department of Correctional Services temporarily suspended his art

828
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:30.199
privileges after learning that his artwork and
autographs were listed for sale on eBay.

829
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.760
What people were buying this ship?
People did buy the ship just really getting

830
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.760
out of a prison. I don't
know. Somebody was probably smuggling it out

831
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:43.320
for him and then taking a New
Blacks something like that. Yeah, right,

832
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.719
they had the panties in origin and
New Black. Yeah. He received

833
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.719
disciplinary actions for the breach, which
included being locked in a cell for extended

834
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:54.760
periods. So do you want to
know where Arthur is today? Yes?

835
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.400
I do. Well, he's dead. That's what I was hoping you would

836
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.519
say. He died on No remember
ten, two thousand and eight of cardiac

837
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.480
arrest. How old was he?
He was a whopping sixty three. He

838
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:12.199
died young. But it's young.
It is young. But yeahs for him?

839
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:14.400
Though too long? You aren't too
long for him? Too long for

840
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:20.000
him, exactly, asshole. Horrific
excuse for life, waste of oxygen.

841
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.800
This was a tough one. Yeah, I know, I just said through

842
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:30.400
it. Yes, that's that's the
end. There's no more victims. I

843
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.320
think I feel bad saying this,
but thank you for thinking you're welcome.

844
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.880
You're welcome a lot. That's sad, right, it was very sad,

845
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:41.719
But I mean I don't make I
mean to make light of it. That's

846
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.280
how we cope. Yes, And
I laugh when I'm nervous or uncomfortable,

847
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.719
so that doesn't help, you know, I'm not giggling because it's a hilarious

848
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:54.920
story. No, it's just ridiculous
lies. Yeah, his lives were stupid.

849
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.760
And hate him, you know.
I think God he was dumb though,

850
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.239
t leah, because that's how he
got Yeah. Well it took a

851
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.000
long time, it did, a
lot of people lost it. He moved

852
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.519
a lot though. I mean he
was killing people like left and right.

853
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:11.679
Yeah. Thank you everyone for tuning
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854
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.679
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855
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857
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:29.480
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858
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