1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,960 What is up, fellow Thermo nuclear a effort, I am and the Valley 2 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,000 coming at you win my certified and tabulous co host mix your frank us. 3 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:29,960 We are debuting this is the debut of our twenty twenty three offseason Report Cars, 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,280 where we will implore you to remember that a C is average and passing, 5 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,759 so please do not get mad. As our usual reminder though, remember 6 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,840 if you subscribe, if you've not already, hit that's up butt on YouTube, 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,240 like comment on all the videos to help the al goal. Love us 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,359 back. If you're new around here, subscribe on Apple and Spotify. And 9 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:49,520 if you're not new around here, please remember to leave ratings and reviews on 10 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,880 Apple and Spotify. Those go along way towards help play us in the charts. 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,679 Follow us on all the socials at Hardwood Knocks on Twitter, and TikTok 12 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,520 at Hardwood Underscore Knocks on Instagram. Join our discord the link is in the 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,959 podcast at YouTube description. Get in there, talk hoops, it's fun. 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,680 And finally, if you want to support the show by our merch the link 15 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,560 to our merch store, the Tea Public Store is in our YouTube and podcast 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,400 description as well. With all that out of the way, Grant, how 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,719 the heck are you doing? Doing great? I'm happy to speak to you 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,079 today about the Atlantic Division, and I never have a good or peek behind 19 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,000 the curtain. We're gang recording all these Eastern Conference divisions, and I never 20 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:33,040 have more than one like Quippy. And that's putting it charitably response to the 21 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:34,120 how are you doing questions? So like, I'm fresh out, Dan, 22 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:37,760 I'm fresh out, That's how I'm doing. I don't have any listeners that 23 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:40,760 your body is sore from. I don't have any make Olympic style workout you 24 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:45,799 went. Nobody cares about that, I know, and that's why that's why 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,120 I value you as a friend. Yeah, I'm trying to think what else 26 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:56,000 we could say other than we want to talk about the Boston Celtics. Yes, 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,159 and as a this will be the first one we've already recorded, sub 28 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:01,560 but this will be the first one. We're going through the big notes of 29 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:05,319 the offseason, and if if one of us forget something, the other will 30 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,199 say something. And of course, if you think we overlooked something, you 31 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,719 are free to get at us. And I'm gonna say, discord, go 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,199 join the discord. They'll like it. In the podcast, at YouTube description 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,080 and like just write to Dan's house, you know, because like a critical 34 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,759 letter written in longhand really hits different than I. Let you no longer take 35 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,280 playing for this because you made a dock yourself. I made a dock for 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,919 us, and you made your own dock would not share with me until the 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,400 day of which is pretty selfish. So you so if we if we miss 38 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,800 something, yeah, it's on both of us, not just me. That's 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,680 fine, But I still feel like I still want the letters to go to 40 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:42,639 you. How about I'll start We'll start with Boston. That's the alphabet again, 41 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,560 messing with the alphabets, as we do so well around here. Big 42 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,240 Moves acquired Christaps Porzingis twenty fifth pick and a Warrior's twenty twenty four first for 43 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:57,360 this is complex, but ultimately Marcus Smart Gallo Mike Muscala number thirty five in 44 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,319 a trade that involved the Wizards and Grizzlies kind of package of the Smart deal 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:07,599 into that essentially lost Grant Williams to the Mavericks ultimately structured it as a sign 46 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:12,080 and trade that got a couple of future firsts, and also the Spurs were 47 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,479 roped into this somehow, maybe you can speak to how that worked. I 48 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:20,919 super summarize this so I don't remember another big deal. Jalen Brown got that 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,039 max. So the numbers are all over the place. It came out, 50 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:29,360 as you know, initially like three hundred million over five years. I think 51 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:34,520 there's some dispute about that because it all depends on like how much the cap 52 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:37,800 is gonna rise, because his deal depends on its percentage of the cap. 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,120 It's a lot of money. That's all you need to know. It's in 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,199 the three point three is the number for now. Yeah, and it could 55 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,680 get up if the cap rises the way that people expected to rise, even 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,479 though it hasn't been projected. That's what I could get up to. Ye 57 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,240 cared well, and that's going to be true for several other deals. They're 58 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:58,879 kind of tricky, but it's a lot. Uh. They signed o shaber 59 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:02,039 Set I know you're a big fan, and dalan Od Banton to minimums drafted 60 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,439 Jordan Walsh at number thirty eight. And that's it for the big moves and 61 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,599 less I've forgotten something you would like to hit on, and if not, 62 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:15,599 what are your overall thoughts on how Boston conducted business this offseason? So The 63 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:16,920 only other thing I would note, and this did factor into my grade because 64 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,160 I thought it was smart, is they added Sam Cassell and Charles Lee from 65 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,040 the Bucks to Joe Buzula's coaching staff. I think he did well there. 66 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:30,959 This team is so polarizing it's not even funny because the more I think about 67 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,639 it, the less I like that Kris Stops Porzgis deal for them, and 68 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:39,480 I know that they ended up getting two first for Marcus Smarted Porzegis, And 69 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:46,800 I'm trying to understand how this team gets better in this situation, because the 70 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,920 way to look at it is, Okay, Porzegis might give you an extra 71 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,879 layer of shot making from almost every level. Pretty much, you're begging got 72 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,839 him being healthy, which is something he did in Washington, but not something 73 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:02,000 he did in Dallas or your previously. And even if Porzingis is the best 74 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:06,759 version of himself on offense, you lost Marcus Smart's playmaking and so now it's 75 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:13,000 Peyton Pritchard and Jason Tatum and Derek White and Malcolm Brogden and Jaylen Brown. 76 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:17,120 I guess that's enough by committee to offset the deficit you've even if you're getting 77 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:23,879 the peak of Christops Porzingis, how you not made yourself less versatile on the 78 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,920 defensive end just because Porzingis does not have nearly as much switch, Like he's 79 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,439 best suited as just a straight up rim protector, and there's some mobility there. 80 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,120 I think he actually probably had, you know, non beginning of his 81 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,759 New York days in general last year was like the most mobile I've seen him 82 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:43,240 look on the defensive end. I I just don't understand. And that's my 83 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,879 question is how does this team get better off of this trade? Or is 84 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:50,720 a way to look at it as they didn't trust Marcus Smart to age well 85 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:55,120 and so they decided to try and capitalize off their his value here and they 86 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,879 did. The only thing that I can't get around is I think they believe 87 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,720 in Porzingis because they turn out it gave him a two year was a sixty 88 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,279 seventy billion dollars dead shade. So it seems like it's more that just about 89 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:10,399 capitalizing on a player at Marcus Smart who did big was good at age so 90 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:14,519 well. Yeah, And I mean to that point, Marcus Smart was he 91 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,600 aged last year like he was markedly worse last season than the year before. 92 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,079 Obviously he won defensive player of the year or two years ago. He was 93 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,800 not at that level last season. I think this is a really hard team 94 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,639 for me to evaluate because if we just really zoom all the way out, 95 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,639 this team's problems were fairly pronounced, right. The offense bogged down, they 96 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:36,480 didn't have enough good passers, They struggled in you know, tight playoff games, 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,160 and ultimately, I think that's fair to say that it may have cost 98 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:42,639 them a championship, or at least it, you know, has cost them 99 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:46,160 significant chances to advance in the playoffs and maybe even win the whole thing. 100 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:51,000 I I don't know how they improved that, right, because now, like 101 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:58,759 they don't have any good passers on this team really, and so the Porzingis 102 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,439 act was Porzingis was really good last year, like just full stop was a 103 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,680 really good player. If he can be that, then that's exciting. I 104 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:10,240 don't he's not. He's not someone that like, oh, he really unsticks 105 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:14,800 the offense. I don't think unless they figure out different ways to use him 106 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,399 that make it so, you know, really good passers don't matter as much. 107 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:23,000 I don't know. I just I'm trying to think thinking you know, 108 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,480 positive terms for him. The other thing I'm I'm concerned about is that it 109 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,879 seems like al Horford is still really important and he's just way up there in 110 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,759 age now and has already you know, limited in terms of how much he 111 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:41,639 can play, because I don't love the Porzingis Robert Williams tandem together. I 112 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,959 think that's complicated because one of the two of them is gonna have to guard 113 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 in the pick and roll probably, so like that's where Horford is so helpful 114 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:53,079 to let Williams be the rover and that unlocks like the very best version of 115 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,519 Boston's defense. I think you got to change that with Porzingis, you know, 116 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:05,439 playing more so I ultimately I'm positive on this overall, while while conceding 117 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,120 all this stuff about like they didn't really solve some of their problems, I 118 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,879 just think Porzingis is really good. I think they probably got off smart at 119 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,959 the right time. I'm okay with losing Grant Williams, although like bringing him 120 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,639 back for that number I would have been okay with. But you can't. 121 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,519 I mean, this team is gonna be so expensive just with the Brown and 122 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,360 Tatum. Tatum's got intensive, but they almost could have used him because of 123 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,120 how it seems like they want to play maybe, so yeah, I think 124 00:08:31,159 --> 00:08:33,960 I think o'haber said is one of the better minimum signings in the league. 125 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,720 I think we like him a lot. So I ended up with a BEE 126 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:46,080 here while acknowledging that, like there's a really decent chance that nothing Boston did 127 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:50,840 fixes what we all knew was wrong, it could work. It still where 128 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:56,120 this team is ridiculously talented, they're competing for a championship. They added a 129 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,919 guy who played at an All star level last year. It's hard to be 130 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,240 too critical of it, but if you really start picking around, it's hard 131 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,919 to see how they sort of tick the big boxes that needed to be ticked 132 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,200 if they want to sort of like get over the hump. I went with 133 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:15,720 a C minus because you've got good value for smart in a vacuum. But 134 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,159 I think that you're worse now, or at least your floor is lower, 135 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,519 and I don't I think a lot of people have phrased it they have a 136 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,480 higher ceiling but a lower floor. I just don't see the higher ceiling. 137 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,519 I don't, And maybe I'll understand the theory of this team when they actually 138 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,519 roll out on the court. I think this is the team that I'm either 139 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,600 going to be very right on or very wrong on with no with no one 140 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,480 between. I just I don't understand it. And you mentioned this stuff about 141 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Horford. It does kind of feel like they're betting on we're just gonna have 142 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,720 enough collective availability from RW three, Horford and Chris stops Pord thing is to 143 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,159 make this work, which is fine when you're you know, you're not paying 144 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:48,480 a boatload for all those guys. It's like, you know, fifty five 145 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,799 million dollars for all three, which is not astronomical when you're looking at it. 146 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,639 Zero issues with the Jayon Brown extension. I don't know what you thought 147 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,639 was was going to happen. Maybe they could have held out signed him to 148 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 the full Max. I just think that the way it works right now, 149 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,159 that contract was going to be the contract. And so I think we're going 150 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,120 to approach a reckoning of Oh, can me's sub top twenty guys ever actually 151 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,679 be on Supermax's. We're just not there right now, and it's an uncomfortable 152 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,080 number. But Jalen Brown's a really good player, and to me, he's 153 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,679 more important than them than ever, especially defensively now that Marcus Smart is gone. 154 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:30,240 So I really it's the Porzingis swing. It makes me uncomfortable, even 155 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,000 though again you could look at the value that they got, that's fine. 156 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,519 I just are you gonna then parlay that value into something else and you've already 157 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,840 bet on the Porzingis move working out by going with that two seventy extension, 158 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,120 And I don't, like, I don't. I don't know about you, 159 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,840 but like I know the CAP's going up. I don't think Kristops Porzingis a 160 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,159 thirty five million dollars a year is guaranteed to be this this huge asset you 161 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,279 could go through if he's a bad year or is injured. There's at least 162 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:58,600 a one year where that deal just looks bad before becoming inspiring. It just 163 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:01,519 felt they took a risk, which I admire, that to me does not 164 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:07,759 really address they're ceiling problems. I would say, maybe I'm not. I 165 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:09,639 think yeah, I think we agree, and I think you put it right. 166 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,480 It's like the floors lower for sure. I think because if all the 167 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,440 issues that plague them are worse than like man not, you may you may 168 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,679 not even be in a position where you need to execute on offense to win. 169 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,720 In Game six of the Conference finals because you won't be there. But 170 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:30,519 I guess I'm just more optimistic about the ceiling, and if you're competing for 171 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,240 a title, I guess I care more about ceiling. But yeah, it's 172 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,600 weird. I have him as a B and I'll stay there. But I'd 173 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,960 completely understand the justification for a C minus. Like, I get it, 174 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,879 man, I mean, if we're not doing this, but like, the 175 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,519 Celtics are gonna be one of the most interesting teams to watch in the league 176 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,639 this season because of the potential variants on it, like how this whole thing 177 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,600 could look. Let's move on to the Brooklyn Nets. They drafted Noah Clowney 178 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,200 at number twenty one. They drafted to Reek Whitehead at number twenty two. 179 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,519 They saw it Cam Johnson to a four year, ninety four point five million 180 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:07,279 dollar contract that has no player options and is guaranteed for ninety million. They 181 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,720 traded Joe Harris, dallas Is twenty twenty seven second and Milwaukee's twenty twenty nine 182 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,159 second to Detroit. They created a nineteen point nine million dollars trade exception as 183 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,600 part of that deal. They traded Patty Mills and Milwaukee's twenty twenty eight second 184 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:24,200 round er to Houston for Brooklyn's own twenty twenty four second rounder. They signed 185 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,840 Dennis Smith Junior, They signed Lonnie Walker the fourth, and they signed Darius 186 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:30,840 Basley. Other notes, because I know that he has a cult following. 187 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:35,240 They waived Edmund Sumner Grant. How do you feel about these nets? Pretty 188 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,799 good? I think you know, there weren't a lot of major transactions. 189 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,519 I could understand if people bump on the Joe Harris move. It's just like, 190 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,360 we're gonna give away one of the five best shooters in the league the 191 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,720 last half decade. But but you know, I think if Cam Johnson's the 192 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,639 higher priority and you don't have an infinite amount of money you want to spend, 193 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,559 I could totally justify that move. I really like their minimums more than 194 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,679 more than most. I think Dennis Smith Junior has his problems, but he's 195 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,960 one of the best defensive guards in the league. Just you know, he's 196 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:09,519 all level level defender. Lonnie Walker the fourth, I really am surprised that 197 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,679 he didn't get more. You just I guess the market is what it is. 198 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,519 Basically. I don't love but but for for the minimum of those three 199 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,080 guys could all play and I think at least two of them definitely will. 200 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,360 So at the draft, I'm not going to touch I mean, you got 201 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,120 picks in the twenties and then a fifty first pick. I'm not going to 202 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,919 pretend that I imagine it can envision how those guys are gonna fit, if 203 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,559 at all, into the rotation this year. So for me, this is 204 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,440 I'll just give it. It's a C plus. Nothing great, nothing terrible, 205 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:43,120 slightly more good than bad. I still kind of don't know what this 206 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:48,559 team is because you know, they lived two lives last year, you know, 207 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,360 pre and post Superstar or super Team. Uh was was the cutoff? 208 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,240 I think we both love Bridges, we both love Claxton, I think we 209 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,720 both love other than Ben Simmons, the books being you know, pretty pretty 210 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:09,480 solid. So yeah, nothing, nothing wowed me. Nothing like seems like 211 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,159 a big problem. So it's a little better than average. That's that's about 212 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,639 as hot of a take as I could muster for them. Yeah, I 213 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,440 went with a C because because I don't know what else they were supposed to 214 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,840 do, and I respect them just kind of keeping their options open. Where 215 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,360 if you thought they needed to blow it up or consolidate, you need more 216 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:26,480 information on what this team is. I think that Cam Johnson deal was as 217 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,159 you mentioned, that's just perfectly fine. I was surprised, which is the 218 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,919 reason I couldn't go to like a C plus or maybe go to be minus 219 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,879 that they needed to give up stuff to get off Joe Harris. I guess 220 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,480 maybe he's been that rickety over the past season plus when you're looking at his 221 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,120 health, So there is that to consider. I'm not gonna normally I would 222 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,799 troll them for ducking the tax, but this is just not a team that 223 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,600 you're gonna pay the tax for. They don't have aspirations that they Planta Hawks 224 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,720 to for example, where they're trying to fancy themselves as contender, but they're 225 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,000 gonna duct the tax anyway. So I just think it was an average off 226 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,080 season for them, which is what they needed to have. Don't want to 227 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,000 do anything that I think tethered you to any direction one way or the other, 228 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,600 because you still need more information on what this team is going to be 229 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,360 on the floor. I like most of their minimum signings. I'm probably lower 230 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,039 on both Dennis Smith Junior than Lonnie Walker and Lonnie Walker the fourth than consensus, 231 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,080 but still at the minimum that ends up being a pretty big deal. 232 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,679 I actually really like Noah Clowney the theory of a rim protector who can also 233 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,840 space the floor. I do question like, could they have done something to 234 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,519 get like a little bit more girthy size on this team, just because yeah, 235 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:31,919 you have day Ron Sharp, but how much you're planning on playing him, 236 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,919 and now you have Noah Clowney and you have Nick Claxton, And does 237 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Ben Zimmons factor into the big man rotation at all? It's just you feel 238 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,879 a little slight, is the way I would, And you figure out a 239 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:46,159 way too, I think capably or at least reasonably defend Joel and beat in 240 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,039 the playoffs. Regardless, I probably would have liked to have seen them gotten 241 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,480 just a burlier body in here to soak up those those types of reps. 242 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:56,080 Yeah, not a lot of teams where that would be a criticism, but 243 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,360 it definitely applies here because you don't want to have to be like drawn up 244 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,080 ridiculous schemes every time you face like a legitimately center sized center because you just 245 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,840 don't have the bulk for so they're in a weird spot with that. We 246 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,360 have the Knicks next are you ready, this is gonna be talk about a 247 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,480 quick team and that's not And look, the Knicks might have done even less, 248 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:18,159 and we're being they did. So you got Josh Hart just as we're 249 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,879 recording this today, got four years and eighty one million bucks as an extension. 250 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,720 Takes his total deal to about ninety four million through twenty seven, twenty 251 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,679 eight. Uh, Dante di Vincenzo comes aboard for four years and just under 252 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,120 fifty million, forty six point nine, and that's guaranteed it can get up 253 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,759 another three million or so. Obi Topping gone for a couple of seconds, 254 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:38,879 and Derrick Rose gone to Memphis. I don't know how much that matters, 255 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,360 but we are real short on transactions for the Knicks. Did I Did I 256 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,480 miss anything there? They signed Nathan Knight, Jalen Martin, and Dylan Windler 257 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,200 with two way contracts. They signed Jacob Toppe, they waved Trevor Keels, 258 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,799 and they waved and then resigned Dwayne Washington Junior. Well, so, so 259 00:16:53,799 --> 00:17:00,480 I didn't miss anything this offseason? Is I saw it. There's some people 260 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,559 who are frustrated that Nicks weren't more active and they were never just going to 261 00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:07,680 trade Julius Randall for anyone who's kind of been in that camp like it just 262 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,839 it wasn't gonna happen. And if you want them to acquire a star, 263 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,599 a star that makes sense needs to become available. Donovan Mitchell isn't back on 264 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,400 the trade market for Cleveland, and you could argue whether that even still makes 265 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,359 sense to go it he makes sense to go after they're not. They shouldn't 266 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,279 be a James Harden team. I wouldn't be opposed to them being a Damian 267 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,079 Lillard team, but you didn't make his list of teams that you wanted to 268 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,039 go to. What they needed was shooting. We talked about this. They 269 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,759 needed shooting that was good enough to crack their closing lineup. They were never 270 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,519 going to get that. For the non text payment level exception. I think 271 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,839 Devincenzo is a reasonable salary placeholder. I don't think he's a capslock shooter. 272 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,240 His percentage last season says otherwise. But he struggled in his early days Milwaukee, 273 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,359 and then he looked although he was coming off injury, he didn't look 274 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,559 great with the Kings necessarily, so there's a little bit of a gamble there. 275 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:53,599 Actually, I don't know, if they got great value for him, 276 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,240 it's reasonable value the josh Hard extension. So he's now under contract in total 277 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,559 for five and nine four? Right? Does that feel Does that feel right? 278 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,160 I mean it kind of depends on Josh Hard has had a really up 279 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,079 and down career. I think it's I think it's on the high side or 280 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,559 right probably like it's it's within the range of what would be. You know, 281 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,839 again, this is not a crippler, right, this isn't They're not 282 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,039 paying him forty million bucks a year. It's it's in the twenty neighborhood. 283 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,079 I think it starts at like eighteen and by the time it's over it's up 284 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:27,319 to like twenty two or twenty one and change or something like that. I 285 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:32,440 mean, I think it's totally fine. You're you're talking like you think maybe 286 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,440 it's a little too much for Josh Hart just on this team because the three 287 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,839 point volume just is there, isn't there, and it's never really been there? 288 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,359 And is he is he someone you view as part of your closing lineup, 289 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,039 because if you're gonna pay fifteen percent of the salary cap to someone you 290 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,359 let's just say that's what it ends up being. You probably want him to 291 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,920 have a shot doing that, and I just if you have Julius Randall and 292 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Brunton, I don't love the Josh Hart fit there because 293 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:00,200 then you're playing him at the two three rather than I love him at the 294 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,160 four or three four. So a lot of this comes back to, well, 295 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,359 as Julius Randall long for this team or should he be. I don't 296 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,480 think it's a bad move, and you got him to opt in, which 297 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:12,720 gave me the flexibility this year to go out and get Dante DiVincenzo. I 298 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,759 think he improves your team. But it's just sort of like, Okay, 299 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:19,839 now you have Manuel Quickly and Joe and Brunton and Dante Devincenzo and R. 300 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,799 J. Barrett and Josh Hart and Quentin Grins, Where what are we sort 301 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,880 of doing with this Perimer rotation. It's not a terrible problem to have, 302 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,000 though, and none of these moves are damaging in the sense that unless these 303 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,720 players just suffered catastrophic injuries, you can't move them. I just still don't 304 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:40,640 think they made their offensive process that much easier. I don't think they and 305 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,000 I also don't think they opened up runway for guys like Emmanuel Quickly or r 306 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:48,119 J. Barrett to continue exploring themselves. If anything, they've kind of shrunk 307 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,960 the runway that those two already had. Yeah, it's a little bit like 308 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,839 Boston where you can be critical because they had a fairly clear set of problems 309 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:59,559 and they didn't really transact in a way that addressed them, just specifically with 310 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:03,680 the shooting in the closing lineup. I kind of think that if your criticism 311 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160 of the Knicks off season is that, well, they didn't swing big, 312 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,599 you know, they didn't do the Randall thing, or they didn't consolidate, 313 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:12,920 they didn't you know, throw Quickly in Grimes or whatever else into a into 314 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,559 a deal for a shooter, or they didn't use those guys to sweeten and 315 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,079 Julius Randole deal, I think one it's pretty clearly those deals just weren't there 316 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,359 for any kind of reasonable value and too, like to your point, they 317 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:29,920 didn't do anything that that like hamstrings their ability to eventually make the big swing. 318 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,119 So I think I get the frustration because this team was good last year 319 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,799 and needed to get it was pretty but pretty clearly a notch or two below 320 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,880 like the real serious contending threats, and there's frustration if they don't level up. 321 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,599 It's just like the opportunity wasn't really there. I think it is fair 322 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,960 to be critical that the players that they in Heart's case, kept, in 323 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,920 Devincenzo's case, acquired, don't really they're kind of just like more of the 324 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,599 same. I mean, that's an oversimplification, but it's not so so for 325 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,119 me. This is a C minus. And just because they didn't do anything 326 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,680 bad per se, but like the quote unquote, you know, the way 327 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:15,319 they spent their money didn't didn't fundamentally change or you know, the ceiling or 328 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,599 and didn't certainly didn't address like what was kind of wrong with the team. 329 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,599 And look the other thing here, and you can and should absolutely not crucify 330 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,960 them for it. That's way. She was strong. But they let Obi 331 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,400 Toppin's value a road. I didn't even talk about that. That's totally right 332 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,240 now. And it's look, I don't I think a lot of people favored 333 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,799 as they were doing sort of him a favor and like let's keep that relationship. 334 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,759 You know, the agency intact blah bla bahiaa ya ya YadA, YadA 335 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,240 YadA. He wasn't worth much. He wasn't worth much more than they got 336 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,359 from which was two least favorable second round picks at this point. And I 337 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,079 understand that you didn't think Julius Randold was going to pop off the way he 338 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,799 did. You watched him win Most Improved Player three three seasons ago. At 339 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:56,079 this point, like you had more than enough time to kind of try and 340 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,519 make up this, like make up this ground or I should say, a 341 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,960 just recalibrate, and you didn't. I penalize them for that a little bit. 342 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:06,880 And to your point, I do not. I want to make this 343 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,359 clear. You already mentioned this. I mentioned this. The big swing wasn't 344 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,839 out there. I think you could lament should they have been in on Max 345 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,079 Streuss, like someone who gives you more functional shooting maybe than a DiVincenzo. 346 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,559 Okay, sure, but that's not Oh we missed out on Max Strus like 347 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,119 the Knicks get a D. It's this is evidence and I don't know. 348 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,200 This did not factor into my grade. I want to make it clear, 349 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,519 but I think it's a worthwhile talking point. And we know how I feel 350 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:30,720 about the Knicks. This was evidence that we have seen, to use this 351 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:36,480 word again, the erosion of what their best trade package is because Obie Toppin 352 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,519 was no longer an asset. We're talking about all these first round picks that 353 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:44,920 they can move to Detroit and Washington picks specifically, are those even gonna convey 354 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,440 You have to ask yourself that question. The Knicks owned picks, if they're 355 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,079 gonna be good, Yes, they could still be viewed in the same vein 356 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,279 as oh, we got a King's first rounder. I just think the Knicks 357 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:57,920 had probably been so I would say mostly rational with how they've gone about building 358 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,079 their team and how the front office has reacted. Those first round picks are 359 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,839 not gonna bull you over unless you're giving out a bunch of them where it's 360 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,000 what we saw the package was when Cleveland went all in Donovan Mitchell or Minnesota 361 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,880 went all in on Rudy Gobert and Emmanuel quickly's extension eligible. So he's either 362 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,359 even if you don't extend him, he's not gonna be super valuable to trade 363 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,079 and knowing you have to pay him, or is he going to be as 364 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,519 valuable coming on his next deal. RJ has already been paid. We have 365 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,680 just slowly seen the gradation of their best trade package go from Wow, the 366 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:32,359 Knicks are best positioned to land this star to now Okay, yeah, they 367 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,680 can still make an offer. Will it be the best offer? The answer 368 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,519 is no. We've already seen him get out bid when it came to Mitchell, 369 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,920 which is again fine. We both said we would not have made that 370 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960 trade if they were them. But now you're getting to a point where other 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,720 teams are coming up in their timelines where it's could okay, see or New 372 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,559 Orleans eventually get involved. Here Utah is floating around with all these assets. 373 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,799 So I'm I'm not down on the Knicks. I want to make that clear, 374 00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:02,759 but this offseason did not advance their long term agenda in any way, 375 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:06,480 shape or form. If anything, I think it took away from it a 376 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,400 little bit. So I ended up with a C. I wanted to go 377 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,480 a little bit lower because I think that they missed the boat on Obie topping. 378 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,559 But I do think to get someone who's as talented in theory as Devincenzo 379 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,640 just for like the minimum, I think an average off season, it's perfectly 380 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,400 fair because you look at that and say, Okay, well, they didn't 381 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,079 do anything that they shouldn't have where it's there might have been the impetus of 382 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,799 where we just made it to the second round. We have to get better, 383 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:27,839 we have to do this even if it's not worth it, and they 384 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,160 did resist that temptation. I'm gonna ask you like a philosophical next question, 385 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,960 because you've been through forever. It was we're gonna wait, or we're gonna 386 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,000 just hunt, you know, whether it's back to the Kevin Durant off season, 387 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,160 We're like, we're gonna, we're gonna bring in these stars. We're 388 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,559 gonna we're biding our time, and it's just like it didn't work out, 389 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,240 or and or you go back farther like we're gonna pay Amri Stadomire a ton 390 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,079 of money, We're gonna trade for Carmelo, all this others. You've got 391 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,640 the team so we can get them. So there were all these like really 392 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,799 like you know, their aims were high, like they in terms of like 393 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:00,720 the types of players that are trying to get, and it was always just 394 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,799 kind of there were lulls in between when the Knicks would try to take a 395 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:10,440 big swing on someone. Do you think that since this new management structure has 396 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,279 taken shape and the team has actually been run kind of like in a rational 397 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,880 way. Do you think that's still the idea of like, well, we're 398 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,799 gonna we're just kind of we're holding onto these assets we're waiting for, like 399 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,960 the big trade or signing or signings that are going to really change our fate. 400 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,680 Signings are a little harder now because of their current commitments. But like, 401 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,880 is it that or is it more like we're just gonna try to run 402 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,240 a sane operation that doesn't grossly overpay for guys. We're gonna be good, 403 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,039 We're gonna be in the playoffs, and if we if it so happens that 404 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,559 we, you know, have an opportunity to get a start, great, 405 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:47,720 But we're just gonna kind of we're just gonna try to be good and rational 406 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,640 for a while and see how that feels. Or is it still like this 407 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,759 is just they're just waiting. They're trying to do both, but they're they're 408 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,079 just waiting. They're biding their time, and quite frankly, they have to 409 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,119 because there's no one on the roster right now that you look at and say, 410 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,279 yeah, there's jail and runs in, but who's going to become our 411 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,240 second north Star? And there's just no one that's that's the I mean, 412 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,240 the RJ. Barrett ship has sailed on that front quite frankly, and because 413 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,599 you're so capable now, you're probably not going to be in a position to 414 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,799 draft that individual either, And so I think they're just waiting, which again, 415 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,960 it's fine. I don't think it's I'm not it's it's a C. 416 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,079 And I could probably talk to a C minus just because I feel like I 417 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119 didn't love anything they did. But I'm trying to step away and say the 418 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119 Josh Hard contract is just reasonable. They didn't overpay, I don't think, 419 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,519 and if they did, it was by a hair. Dante de Vincenzo, 420 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,119 if he's the player he was last season, ends up helping you a ton. 421 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,400 Yeah. I think it's interesting that the Knicks are kind of in there 422 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,279 a little better than like in the quote unquote middle, but they're sort of 423 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,000 ducking a lot of the criticism that we level at other like middling teams like 424 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,640 Chicago or I don't know who else to throw in there. And I think 425 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,599 it's just because they haven't gone and done the like the DeRozan signing, or 426 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,759 like the Lavigne extension like they haven't, or the Vujevitch trade like they don't. 427 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,200 They haven't made those types of moves, just piling on Chicago right now. 428 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,839 Ye're just in the Chicago section like like snuck into the New York but 429 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,559 it isn't that, you know. I wonder then, like how much longer 430 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,400 do we do this, what the Knicks are doing, before we start getting 431 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,480 like pick a direction, guys, before we start throwing that at him. 432 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,279 I think they're also rightfully so riding the high of well they were right about 433 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,559 John Brunson when everyone else, including us, were wrong. Not even the 434 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,759 money, just the process by which they acquired him. And I just wondered, 435 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,240 was he going to be as good on the Knicks outside of Dallas is 436 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:32,640 facing and then the Mitchell Robinson deal looks like, yeah, he was marginalized 437 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,880 the points to the playoffs, but that was something we missed on as well. 438 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Drews ran on a bounce back campaign. They've proven that they know what 439 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:42,240 they're doing. I just don't. I don't know what the ceiling this team 440 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,480 ceiling is currently constructed, feels the same as it was last season. I 441 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,000 don't know where that internal growth comes from. It's probably Quentin Grimes quickly RJ 442 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,000 Barrett all taking that next step. I just think the moves they've made have 443 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,640 made it much harder for those guys to do that. Yeah, the product's 444 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,160 gonna be good, and the Knicks are gonna do a lot of the right 445 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,640 things and run a lot of things the right way. But it's always a 446 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,279 little bit uneasy. It's an uneasy feeling when you're trying to envision what the 447 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:12,319 next great Knicks team looks like and like a couple of these guys are on 448 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,160 that team that most of them aren't, and so then it's like, what 449 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,400 are we doing here? But it's like hard to quibble with. They're going 450 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,039 to be in the playoffs again, they'll probably win around or two. Like 451 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:23,599 that's that's good. We should have a break, right, Yeah, they 452 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,039 could make the conversation. There are three teams above them, for sure, 453 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,799 and that's Cleveland, it's Milwaukee. I don't even know if I feel confident 454 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,039 putting Boston man. Wow, Yeah, So just so you're you're in a 455 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,000 good spot. I just don't know what you did to improve your flexibility now 456 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,880 or later. And maybe I'm again a sea is average for anyone who gets 457 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,440 mad there. I should take us onto the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. The 458 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,400 Knicks cannibalize some of the nets time, but that's that's fine. Uh. 459 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,519 The Sixers fired Doc Rivers, they hired Nick Nurse, They sighed Bobamba, 460 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:55,039 They signed Patrick Beverley. They re signed Montrez Harrold, who has since torn 461 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,400 inn ACL. They matched an offer sheet on Paul Reid for three years twenty 462 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640 five and a half million that is only guaranteed in year one, but the 463 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,200 second two years will guarantee if Philly wins an opening round of the twenty twenty 464 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,680 four playoffs. And they signed Philip patruss of I just want to throw that 465 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,759 in there, ex I knew that you cared about that. Other notes, 466 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,519 though they're not moves. The John McDaniels left for the Raptors on a two 467 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,960 year nine point three million dollars contract, George and Nyang left for the Calves 468 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,000 on a three year twenty five point five million dollars contract that declines in salary, 469 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,480 and the Timberwolves signed Shake Milton to a two year, ten million dollars 470 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,839 deal that's non guaranteed for year two. And as we know, probably the 471 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,400 biggest note on this team, James Harden opted in and then requested a trade. 472 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,000 He is right now as we record this, still a member of the 473 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,480 Philadelphia seventy six ers. Grant, what do you There's a level of incompleteness 474 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,279 here, I will say, but it's not on the same level as Miami 475 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,759 or even Portland. There's like a level of you guys done fucked up? 476 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,039 Yeah that is we could st up there. I think I think that's our 477 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,000 that's our sessment. No, I think that's right. Like, you know, 478 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:11,000 the so we've talked about downside risk a couple of times. The downside 479 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,119 here of just you know, Harden is gonna make it uncomfortable, like that's 480 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,119 just what happens, it seems like. And and this isn't the case of 481 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,400 the Heat. The Heat were incomplete when we did them, which will air 482 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,440 later for like a completely opposite reason. It's like, well, they might 483 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,279 get this guy for the Sixers. It's like, well, they they're incomplete 484 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,200 because they might trade this guy Hardened, but we don't know what that's gonna 485 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,119 net them. It's like, is he what what are the you know, 486 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,680 the whatever the Clippers packages like maybe it maybe it replenishes some depth, but 487 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,079 you're just not going to get someone that's you know, and Harden was like, 488 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,319 you know, I'm not a big hardened fan generally speaking, but like 489 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480 he was an All Star player last year. He was very good for a 490 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,640 lot of the season. The playoffs when you look at some of they catch 491 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,000 all metrics like he should have been ashed you in for all NBA? Yeah, 492 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,279 yeah, no, And I mean the playoffs went how they went. 493 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,480 We got some real highs and we got some lows. We got some real 494 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:08,000 hard and lows in there just to make sure that the narrative stayed what it 495 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:15,359 was. So I it's an F. It's an F right now for me, 496 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,079 and there is a slashing complete there because it could definitely get better. 497 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,279 But I think maybe what we haven't talked about and maybe you could speak to 498 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,920 this is like what has happened to this offseason and too and it does have 499 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,119 like tails that go further back a year or so, involving Harden and involving 500 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,640 more. You've now made it super foreseeable that Joe lmbiid says I'm good, 501 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,960 guys, time time to go. I'm going to be the next one. 502 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,680 Now. That's I don't know how you factor that into an off season grade. 503 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480 It's not going to lower it because I already gave him an F. 504 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,759 But like the way they've operated brings that as a into into like the realm 505 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:57,559 of possibility in a pretty significant way, where had things gone differently, that 506 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,279 would not be the case. So I don't know, I'm curious if you 507 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,640 were as down on it as me. The team is gonna be worse just 508 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,000 overall talent wise, Like losing Shake Milton is not is not nothing, Losing 509 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,960 Nyang is not nothing. Even losing Jail McDaniels is not nothing. And then 510 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,359 you basically have Embid, you have Tobias Harris, you have Tyris Maxi and 511 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,079 whatever you get for Harden, like that's your new core. You're worse. 512 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:23,920 And this is a team that's trying to win a title, So you're worse, 513 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,519 and you're potentially like catastrophically worse. So I could not get behind this 514 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:34,079 offseason I with an F as well. There's look, I think you look 515 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,359 at the players they could have kept their all rotation players, and you say, 516 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:37,960 well, none of them are just like can't miss, and they're clearly 517 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,519 trying to preserve flexibility for next summer, which is why they're not going to 518 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,720 extend tyris MAXI maybe some people factor that as part of their great again. 519 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,039 You can't go lower unless you're gonna go in F minus. I try to 520 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,440 give out only one a maximum of one F minus per conference, and spoiler 521 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,960 alert, it's not gonna be to this team. Sometimes sometimes there's no F 522 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,960 minus has given out. I don't think either of us gave out in F 523 00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,839 minus last year, if I'm not mistaken. So here's my thing two, 524 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,400 the two things that stand out. So forget the players that left, which 525 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,759 you I think I'm most uncomfortable with John McDaniels leaving just because of what they 526 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:15,400 gave up to get him, and you kind of need that type of players. 527 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,920 Let's start here with the hardened stuff. You know what happened last offseason 528 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,000 where he took that pay cut, and the reports now are you were only 529 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480 willing to go one plus one on him this year, even if that was 530 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:29,640 for the full max. It's like, I understand why Harden's kind of aggrieved. 531 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,240 I don't think he has necessarily a ton of leverage. I think he's 532 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,640 better equipped to navigate this than Damian Lillard because he will make shit uncomfortable for 533 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880 everyone. But I kind of get it. You asked him to take this 534 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,880 pay cut, and yes, you could say, well, we're playing the 535 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,519 market. Who is going to give him that money? I just I feel 536 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,960 like they really miss hand was there. Did they really envisioned Harden going from 537 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,880 taking miss one plus one to then taking another one plus one so that you 538 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,279 could float cap space that would either entail one getting rid of him or two 539 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,640 him taking another pay cut. I just I don't understand that. And then 540 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,319 two, why do you care so much about cap space? Now? We 541 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,760 just saw that it's not gonna do anything like, yeah, maybe you get 542 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,199 a Fred van Fleet level player. And if the idea is we're gonna get 543 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,719 og Naoby from the Raptors, is og ha a nob v guy that you 544 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,239 plan your entire two years worth of cap space around? Is that the guy? 545 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,000 And then oh, hey, also, you just hired his former coach 546 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,400 and Nick Nurse, So I think it's probably a tactical upgrade over Doc Rivers. 547 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,239 So let's give them that. That's the f plus move of the of 548 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,079 the off season. But everything we hear coming out of Toronto, both publicly 549 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,440 and behind the scenes, is that most of the players despised Nick Nurse, 550 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,840 And so was your grand idea to get og and a Nooby to come play 551 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880 for Nick Nurse? Again? Did Oganaoby have that type of relationship with Nick 552 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,760 Nurse? I don't understand what they're doing, and you've now created at best 553 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,920 unless unless Harden has a change of heart. But they're tracking towards a gap 554 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,880 year with Joel Embiide and you just don't have that kind of time to squander. 555 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,800 You need to operate with more organized urgency, and this is like very 556 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:13,199 lazy far like aimlessness. It sort of feels like right now And the only 557 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,239 thing that I think can change this grade is do they somehow get enough out 558 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,199 of a James Harden trade to turn around and then acquire another star. But 559 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:27,079 even then, I'm like, if you go from having James Harden, you 560 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,159 get this asset package back, but you still need to include Tyres Maxi to 561 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:34,519 get that other star. You now have to bake that into the opportunity cost 562 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,960 of this next player cost us James Harden and Tyres Maxie, because I don't 563 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,519 think you can trade one first round pick right now? You can trade one, 564 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,800 So are you getting enough back in a James Harden trade to attach to 565 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,639 that one first round pick to keep Maxie and then go get a star. 566 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,519 I guess we should leave open the possibility, but I honestly it's not going 567 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,840 to happen from the Clippers, that's for sure. So this is it's an 568 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,920 f it's a TBD because we do need to see how this plays out. 569 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:05,280 But right now to death. Yeah, nothing to add just other than every 570 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,320 team has like a spectrum of possible outcomes, like small picture, big picture. 571 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,880 The Sixers just added a big section of like this is good disastrous, 572 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,559 like we are going to be starting over after we had trade Joel Embiad which 573 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,559 you'll get a lot for him. But like that, that's now a very 574 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:29,239 big part of their possible future. You know, scenarios not great. Let's 575 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,039 see, do I have the Raptors or do you have the Raptors? The 576 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:36,320 Raptors. All right, here we go. We signed the I played for 577 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,519 the Raptors. Now as you know that, they signed Yaka Pearl to a 578 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,760 four year, eighty million dollars deal with the player option. Gary Trent Junior, 579 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,199 surprisingly to me anyway, opted in for eighteen point six million. Dennis 580 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,880 Shrewder is on board for two years and twenty five. Jalen McDaniels. We 581 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,039 just talked about him with the six or two years nine point three million auto 582 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,559 Porter Junior opted in after just basically missing the entire year. That was not 583 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,719 a surprise six point three million for him. The Raptors drafted Grady Dick at 584 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,119 number thirteen. They fired Nick Nurse and hired Darko. Uh, I've spelled 585 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,000 it wrong, so I can't read it now. Where is it on your 586 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,119 sheets? Darko Ryakovich? Ryakovitch? I know it was like Stoyakovitch? What 587 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,159 did I wrote? Ya? Yakovich? Terrible? Lost Fred van Vleet. 588 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,920 I'm sure we'll discuss that, and lost Donald Banton? And uh, did 589 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,400 I miss anything of consequence other than that? I feel like you weren't critical 590 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,639 enough when you were going through the list of moves, is like kind of 591 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:31,599 a what the fuck face? And they did They waved doing that for you. 592 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:36,320 I was gonna give you the runway there because they waved. They waved 593 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,719 Joe weez Camp. That matters. But you mentioned Gary Trent Junior? Is 594 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,320 he? And congratulations, by the way, the Garrett Temple for continuing his 595 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,880 run of just being a locker room getting paid fix our disastrous locker room. 596 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,960 Uh so there's the Pascal Siakam trade rumors that are floating around out there. 597 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,119 I assume Gary Trent junior extension is going to be coming, because, like 598 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,280 I said, I couldn't identify the team that was gonna pay him more, 599 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,800 but I like I was that he opted in. So those are the other 600 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,519 two notes this team. You talk about a disastrous offseason. This is now 601 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,519 the second time in a row they let a franchise Cornerstone walk for basically nothing, 602 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,360 and you know it's even more egregious. You could argue they think Kyle 603 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,719 Lowry is solid, he was past his heyday. They got precious a chew 604 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,280 out of him. Fine pregatively left for two years to guarantee years. And 605 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,719 you couldn't muster up like the ability to well, okay, we'll be in 606 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,159 attack, but we'll figure out how to cut that down later. Maybe it's 607 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,000 a Chris Bouche trade. And do we get rid of Otto Porter junior? 608 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,960 Do we move those other pieces around? And yet you turn around after giving 609 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,960 up a top six protected first round pick for Yaka Purdle. He kind of 610 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,599 had you with the bird rights trap. You just gave twenty million dollars a 611 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:45,559 year, which is still let's say, fifteen percent of the salary cap. 612 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,599 Moving forward to someone who probably can't close games for you right now because of 613 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,199 his free throw shooting, at least not most of the games. And part 614 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:58,000 of the reason you did that is because you traded a lightly protected first rounder 615 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,000 for him, like the oh, well, we've definitely let's throw the good 616 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480 money after bad now. I mean, I don't know how you factor that 617 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,119 into the offseason, but like, the trade they made to get him is 618 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,239 very much part I think of why they paid him what they did to keep 619 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,280 him. And by the way, you let the player who assisted on one 620 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,400 third of his baskets just leave for nothing, for no conversation, you don't 621 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,360 get to spend that in a good way. Okay, Dennis Sugar might be 622 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,880 fine. Jim McDaniel's nice signing. Your floor spacing is dog shit even more 623 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,639 than it was so last season. And I like the Grady Dick pick, 624 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,760 which is the like the saving grace of this offseason. But like, this 625 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,199 team is going through and it's not just this summer, it's now a year's 626 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,480 long existential crisis, and we are far enough removed from the bubble escapade, 627 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,679 from the season they spent in Tampa's where they need to have a better hold 628 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,079 on who they are and where they're going. They do not. This was 629 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,440 I I try to give himssau Jerry the benefit of the doubt, but this 630 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,840 was this was This was an off season that was just straight up fuck shit. 631 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,440 And I don't say that lately again in F minus. This was the 632 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,360 worst off season in the league. And I don't know, you don't you 633 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000 know what, even if they turn around and trade Siaka, we get a 634 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:08,480 bunch of value for him, or if they turn around and then double down 635 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,159 and acquire someone who really helps them, it is what they need that's not 636 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,039 gonna salvage. They're great for me because you let this player who is mission 637 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,360 critical to what you're doing leave for nothing at a time when that just doesn't 638 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,199 happen anymore. This was I just don't know. Yes, you have Scotty 639 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,360 Barnes, still you've not made the spacing environment around him any easier to make 640 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,480 him work on the ball. And I still believe in Scotty Barnes. I 641 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:36,360 think this team has a lot of talent, but what is their aim, 642 00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,280 what is their angle? What are they doing? I have no idea. 643 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,880 And you know what really bugs me is I don't think this is a situation 644 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,920 where and just based off people I've asked this question too, we're thirty thousand 645 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,480 feet removed from the situation where it's, oh, well, we don't see 646 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,639 what they're doing, but there's like something going on. No, this team 647 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,840 has no fucking clue what it's doing behind the scenes. Either they are spinning 648 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,880 their wheels. They don't know what's happening. This is probably one of the 649 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,880 most inflammatory things I said in the podcast in the last year, and I'm 650 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,639 trying to be like full talking ahead about it. How are you I was 651 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,119 so high on the Raptors leading into last season. They I was wrong. 652 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,360 They were clearly wrong, but like they were wrong in a way where they 653 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,199 didn't even recalibrate what they doubled down and then they still left Fred van Fleet 654 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,599 walk. How how do you give them a higher grade than the lowest grade 655 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,400 possible? Can we give an F minus minus? Well, I stopped at 656 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960 F, so I'm way higher on it than than you are. But yeah, 657 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,840 it's it's an F for me. I think the only I mean, 658 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,239 it's like being a dead horse. But like you could go down all their 659 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,440 major transactions of the last year and say, like, well, they should 660 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,800 have done the opposite, did not trade Fred van Fleet, should have traded 661 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,800 him. I'm gonna so now, I always much more than you do. 662 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,840 I am always of the mind, well, you gotta trade this guy now, 663 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,760 because the possibility of him leaving for nothing would just be catastrophic. And 664 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,199 it's and you're right, that doesn't happen that often because you can structure it 665 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,079 as a sign and trade. There's just there's ways to prevent that. But 666 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:59,400 now you better believe I'm gonna bring up the Fred van Fleet example a lot 667 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,360 when I started talking about guys on expiring deals that you should trade or you 668 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,079 know, certainly trade them before they get to the expiring year of their deal. 669 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,280 I think you should have traded Gary Trent. You should have had some 670 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,320 idea of what like you can't just be in a position and this gets to 671 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,920 the larger point off like something feels kind of rotten in Toronto, just like 672 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,400 holistically, you can't be in a position where I gotta believe they were surprised 673 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,480 that he opted in. I assume because if if you, if you'd had 674 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,360 conversations and that was going to be his plan. I think he probably would 675 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360 have traded him or are you and said, and you just don't make the 676 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,280 purple trade full stop, because what was the purpose of that, like just 677 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,320 you trying to get better last year? Do you think he's a key piece 678 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,480 of what if he's the piece of the team going forward, what is that 679 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,800 team supposed to be? I think he helped as like an actual screener and 680 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,719 roller guy. He helped Fred van Fleet. But let walk away. It's 681 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000 just like it just yeah, so it's an f for me. If I 682 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:59,400 were giving F minuses, this would be the worst stops. This to me 683 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,559 is the worst offseason. And it's because you get a little bit of everything, 684 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,320 Like you get the mismanaged assets leading into it, you get a bad 685 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,679 signing, you get the big picture of like this team just does not seem 686 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,880 to have a handle on like what direction it's going or how to get there. 687 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,960 So you get it all with toronto. You want to take us out 688 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,559 of here. Yeah, let's end on that note. As always, thank 689 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,079 you for listening. Rate review, subscribe wherever you listen. Check us out 690 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,280 on YouTube at least some comments there. Make sure the algorithm loves us. 691 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,599 And you can tell your friends, you can tell your enemies. You can 692 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,599 buy our merch The link for that is in the YouTube description. 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