WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:28.800 Hi again everyone. Michael Deangel is here on behalf of Mission Rejected. We 2 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:34.280 are still deep in the depths of planning our next season. There have been 3 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.520 fights, there's been hugs, more fights, more hugs, a little bit 4 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.560 cuddling, but that's just the normal way the Portroom operates. So while we 5 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.280 continue to work on that, we wanted to introduce you to yet another great 6 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:52.759 show. What did We just Watch? Is a new movie trivia game show 7 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:58.280 about movies that perhaps you'd rather not watch or maybe feel a little guilty about. 8 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.799 Enjoying a normal episode, you would probably hear the Admiral himself, Bob 9 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:08.319 Killian as one of the regular panelists. But in this special Mission Rejected crossover, 10 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:17.840 Pete John and myself serve as the guest contestants, and we are mercilessly 11 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:23.680 drilled on nineteen ninety seven's The Saint starring Val Kilmer. So if you love 12 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.680 bad movies as much as we do, then we think you'll enjoy us talking 13 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:34.359 about this not so classic film. It's got all the elements that make Mission 14 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:45.519 Rejected fantastic disguises, cold fusion of outrageous Russian accents, but somehow Val Kilmer 15 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.840 just drags the whole thing down. Well that's my opinion. Anyway, let's 16 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:55.560 see what yours is as we will share with you the first round of what 17 00:01:55.719 --> 00:02:00.560 did we just watch? The Saint? I can't believe I'm doing this. 18 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:07.360 So they said to meet me here at the Philadelphia train station. They didn't 19 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:12.080 really explain who they were. They said that I would know them when I 20 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:20.520 see them. Let me just pull up my PDA Goldilocks here, still waiting 21 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.120 on the three bears. I've tried the porridge, and I've climbed into bed, 22 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:36.280 just waiting for you. Excuse excuse me? Oh, oh please after 23 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:43.599 you? Oh no, my gravelly voiced friend, how magnificent? Can I 24 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.719 help you? Guys? I had a question I needed to ask you. 25 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:58.360 Do you know how many potatoes you can fit into a pillowcase? What kind 26 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.719 of pillowcase? Like a throw or like a bedroom pillow? Or what is 27 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:08.439 that what he was supposed to say? Wait, I'm confused. I thought 28 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:14.400 this was an audition for an oatmeal commercial? Is that the past phrase that 29 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.680 you were supposed to use that oatmeal commercial? I didn't get that. I'm 30 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:23.039 sorry. Is there is there a script change about? Is there copy for 31 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:28.120 potatoes or pillowcases. Uh, excuse me, Linda Ronstatt, can you point 32 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.159 me towards the Philadelphia train station. We're in the Philadelphia train station, sir, 33 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:39.240 My god, Now wonder the rent check bounced? I've been subletting platform 34 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:45.280 seven. Well, I am just waiting for the three guys who are supposed 35 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.919 to help me record my podcast. My normal panelists were not interested at all 36 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.639 in watching nineteen ninety seven's The Staint starring Val Kilmer, and so I'm waiting 37 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.240 for three weirdos who I've heard from on the internet who said they would talk 38 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.240 to me about it for three hours. Did you say, oh you got 39 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.639 hold on, hold on, hold on, I'll get your turn. Did 40 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:11.360 you say Val Kilmer, Yes, Val Kilmer? Did you I've never heard? 41 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.199 Did you say nineteen ninety seven's This Saint? Yes, that was the 42 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:18.800 answer to the question the password. Okay, it is you. It's the 43 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.959 boy we're supposed to meet here. Oh, well, I would not have 44 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:28.040 guessed that based on that pass code. Is maybe my encryptor on my PDF 45 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:33.319 is broken. I all I've been receiving are goldilocks like puns. Goldie looks 46 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:41.079 like puns? Is that? Oh? Wait a minute, who wrote these 47 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:48.199 passphrases? Was it the EMF Were those people the ones who wrote these ridiculous 48 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:55.480 passphrases? If it was them, I will take them apart. I the 49 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:00.079 greatest criminal mastermind the world has alone. And who who is this man living 50 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.120 in the train station? Who is this man looking to become the What are 51 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:09.759 you dressed as? My fine script reading thread? Excuse me there, al 52 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.480 Pacino. My name is doctor Biff Studebaker, Professor Emeritus of Psychopharmacology at the 53 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.120 University of Phoenix. But that I remember, that's deep down in the muscle 54 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:23.839 memory. Yeah. Hi, Larry Hastings, bas baritone, I am dressed 55 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.879 as Goldilocks, for I was told this would be a porridge audition. You're 56 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.920 looking, you're looking disturbingly like the last five minutes of The Shining There my 57 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:36.240 friend. Oh yeah, let's not even talk about that movie. I thought 58 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:41.639 we were talking about this saint. All right. Well, I guess you 59 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.079 guys are the three guys. So we'll get on the subway and go down 60 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.480 to South Philly, and I guess we'll record this thing. Well, I 61 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:55.000 think this is the guy Fellas. Perhaps we should unmask. Ah. Hi, 62 00:05:55.199 --> 00:06:00.279 I'm Pete Barry I'm John Dawgan and I'm Larry Hasty. Oh get it 63 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:06.720 all. I'm Michael DeAngelis, the three creators of Mission Rejected. Oh don't 64 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:12.000 hang that on. Well, you guys would be great for like talking about 65 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:17.160 the Saint. Let's get into it, somebody, we were born to do 66 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:38.759 this. Let's go sounds good. Welcome to What did We just watch? 67 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:43.439 The Movie? Trivia Quiz Show podcast. Today's episode is about the nineteen ninety 68 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.839 seven American thriller film The Saint, directed by Philip Noise and starring Val Kilmer. 69 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:53.319 In this movie, Simon the Saint Templar is a thief for hire whose 70 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.480 latest job to steal the secret process for cold fusion puts him at odds with 71 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.240 a trader bent on top of the Russian government, as well as a woman 72 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.759 who holds the secrets. I am your host, Mark Nessel, and our 73 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:11.319 contestants this week are Pete Barry, Hi, Mark, Michael DeAngelis, Hey, 74 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.360 pleasure to be here, and John Dowgan. Good evening, Mark, 75 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.519 Good evening, everyone, or good morning if you're listening in the morning, 76 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.120 And of course, as always, our contestants are playing for this week's mystery 77 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.399 prize, which will be revealed at the end of the show. So the 78 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:31.480 Saints initial initial thoughts. I know at least one of you guys were there 79 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.519 at the theater when this came out, if I'm correct. I saw The 80 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:43.279 Saint in its initial theatrical run with my then college girlfriend. I recall being 81 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:48.000 in trouble with her afterwards. Wow. As well as John, I feel 82 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.759 like I feel like many of your movie date choices may have ended with you 83 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.480 in trouble with you are You are not wrong about that? But yes, 84 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:01.240 I am a spy movie nut died in the wool and also a huge Bell 85 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:07.360 Kilmer fan, and I was I was passingly familiar with the TV series The 86 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.000 Saints, so I was all in for it. Might have even been opening 87 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.680 weekend, God help me, but I was there and it was. It 88 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.120 was something then and it's something now. Yeah, you were not alone. 89 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:24.800 This movie was heavily heavily advertised by the I can't remember who distributed it, 90 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.680 but it's it's a paramount movie. Yeah, everything about this movie the Screams 91 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.679 Paramount nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, definitely, I can't It's hard to qualify 92 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:43.600 that, but there is something about it that is absolutely Paramount in the nineties, 93 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.440 so they did this and Mission Impossible. Yeah yeah, yeah, they 94 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:52.240 were competing against the competing against themselves. Yeah, this was well when was 95 00:08:52.279 --> 00:09:00.080 mission That was right ninety the year before they were getting Yes, already I 96 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.200 feel right at home. You guys are like bringing in these specifics. This 97 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.279 is great. So, yeah, they were competing with themselves, but they 98 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:13.799 had the IP And a big backer of this movie was Roger Moore, the 99 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.919 original Saint from the TV show and the radio voice at the end of this 100 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.279 movie. Correct. Yeah, Roger Moore loved this movie The Saint, and 101 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.399 after he was in the TV he was hell bent on making this a movie 102 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:35.000 and continued that for literally the rest of his life. He even more than 103 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:41.919 Bond, really loved being Simon Templar and he really loved the Saint. And 104 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.279 I know he yeah, supported this movie and then spent the rest of his 105 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.879 life trying to revive the Saint again. And his last on screen credit is 106 00:09:54.279 --> 00:10:01.200 a failed pilot of trying to bring the Saint back in the late two thousands 107 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:07.039 or early twenty tens. Wow. That yeah, so, but I think 108 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.679 I think what happened was Roger Moore died and they were like, oh, 109 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.080 we've got this sitting around because it had been passed and they they just put 110 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.879 it out as a direct DVD direct DVD movie. So God, God bless 111 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.279 you, Roger Moore. But I mean, how so, how much does 112 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:31.440 anybody how much does anybody know about the Saint IP prior to this movie, 113 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.720 because I don't think this like the opposite of John. I thought I had 114 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.840 seen this movie. I had not, Like it was a fever dream. 115 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.840 I did not know there was a TV show before this. I didn't know 116 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:50.840 anything. First book right, then an audio like radio drama like we're talking, 117 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.440 this is play? What's that? Yeah? A spy audio play? 118 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:01.240 Who Then there were a television show, this movie, and then like some 119 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.759 of the other stuff, and then finally this podcast completing the arc of exactly 120 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.720 this is It is the end of the Saint in history. You guys, 121 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.200 can we can stop? Yeah? Hopefully after this people are like, you 122 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.320 know what, let's put this IP to bed. Right. It's crazy to 123 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.480 me. I just I just wanted to say to compliment with Michael said, 124 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.120 it's crazy. Roger Moore got two bites of the Apple for two iconic spy 125 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:31.240 eyeps, and he didn't get transfixed on James Pond because it's like The Saint 126 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.720 is for me, That's right. He's like, yeah, that's the better 127 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.039 one. Well. The funny thing is, so once I saw this on 128 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.000 stream, I can't remember what service we were watching it on, It's like, 129 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.879 would you like to see the original Saint? And I'm like, I 130 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.279 do. So I watched like ten minutes of the first episode of The Saint 131 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.519 with Roger Moore. I'm like, that is certainly Roger Moore, and I 132 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.080 am not watching any more of this. I've got enough of this in my 133 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:58.279 life. So yeah, So I don't actually have a lot of questions about 134 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.759 it because I didn't like quantify it. But there are really only two things 135 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.080 other than the actual like character, time and Temple are himself and some of 136 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.759 his proclivities that make this like The Saint. The first is the pin at 137 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.559 the end that she gives that was sort of the insignia of like the books 138 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.480 and the movies and audio play I guess if they had album art back then. 139 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.360 The other one is the Volvo card that he drives for some of the 140 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:30.360 movie, like Bond had, Aston Martin, I believe, yes, The 141 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:39.960 Saint had a Volvo and that's he was a safety safety conscious continental European cars 142 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:46.960 that are safe to drive. What I've seen of the Roger Moore show, 143 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.960 I've never read a I've never read a Saint book, and I've never heard 144 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.919 a radio episode. But I've seen a couple episodes of Roger Moore in the 145 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:03.799 Saint and yeah, this is pretty different. And I actually said to Pete 146 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.919 after we had both watched it, I said, if this movie was supposed 147 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:15.639 to launch a franchise, is this like an origin story? Because in the 148 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.840 TV show, the Saint is very altruistic, right, He's sort of a 149 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.639 Robin Hood figure, which Val Kilmer sort of becomes at the end, though 150 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.639 it's very unclear if he gave all the money away or kept some from himself, 151 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:35.759 but like Simon Templar, sort of an independently wealthy guy who intervenes where 152 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:41.200 standard justice cannot. Like you, yes, and you described Val Kilmer as 153 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.399 a as a thief for hire at the start of this movie, and I 154 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.960 went, oh, is that what he was, because I mean, I'm 155 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:54.240 not entirely sure how he got his hands on the guy's money at the end, 156 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.600 Like I'm like, what skill set did you like he's going to prison, 157 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.200 He's going to Siberia. That's yeah, that is actually a single problem. 158 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.039 It was a minor problem. To answer your question, Pete. The 159 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.120 superpower he had was this movie was a complete disaster behind the scenes, and 160 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.919 so there was an entirely different movie filmed. It was really poorly received. 161 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.200 It was months and months of reshoots, thousands of thousands of dollars and people 162 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.480 flying like to and from all these different locales because they really did shoot in 163 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:35.120 Russia. It was like the small window of time after the Cold War in 164 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.080 Russia. They shot on location in England and there were a couple of other 165 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.159 locations. So this was not a cheap movie to make. So it was 166 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.120 directed by like Philip Noyce, who I said, Philips of the Harrison Ford 167 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.960 Present, Danger and Patriot Games, as well as a bunch of including like 168 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.399 movies that deliver, like I didn't care for Salt that was like Angelina and 169 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.240 Jolie, but it made money. Like this kind of go back late eighties. 170 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.360 I think it might even be Nicole Kidman's first film. Philip Noise made 171 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:11.039 a movie called Dead Calm with with Nicole right, yeah, Sam right, 172 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:18.879 Uh. Actually, like Neil and and and Billy's yeah, and of course 173 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.720 we we haven't done it yet, but it's eventually going to happen. He'd 174 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:28.000 also directed nineteen eighty nine's Blind Fury, another wee where Rucker Howard plays a 175 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:33.120 blot. Yeah, he plays a blind Vietnam vet who, using his mastery 176 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.759 of sword plays, saves the child, the kidnapped child of another. So 177 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:41.399 it's very much it's very much a lone wolf and cub then Yeah, but 178 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.799 yeah, but it's Rucker Howard pretending to be blind in like sort of a 179 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.360 comedy action movie. I can only assume. But yeah, so Philip Nois 180 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.480 knew what he was doing. And also Val Kilmer was super marketable at this 181 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:02.200 time, probably a standard of power from a market and right after Batman and 182 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:07.480 Tombstone. Yes, he hated it was actually like I think filming Order. 183 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.679 It was right after Batman from what I understand, but Tombstone had also just 184 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:15.440 came out, and he was at an emotional low point in his career. 185 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.840 According to I think there was a recent documentary about Valkimer. I think they 186 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:23.399 talk about this where he really hated filming Batman. I don't know if it 187 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.360 was any one person personally, but it was just a real dark time for 188 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.279 him. So yeah, this was a pretty low point on valk In Val 189 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:36.240 Kilmer's like career personally, and so from what I understand, Philip Noys sort 190 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.080 of just gave him free rein to just do whatever he wants. And so, 191 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.840 oh you can tell, according according to him, in the most, 192 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.039 yeah, Val Kilmer was in the most like I forget what the interview is. 193 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:53.600 But Philip Nous said, like, I loved working with him. He's 194 00:16:53.639 --> 00:17:00.039 a professional. All of the disguises were kind of his I scans, so 195 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.880 he gives Kilmer full credit for better or worse for this because the disguises is 196 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.279 also not a thing in the Saint. No. I there's a reason I 197 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.559 didn't list that in the things that the Saint has. I was I, 198 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.519 like I said, I didn't think my list was enough to warrant a question, 199 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.759 but I did think I did my research. Those two things are the 200 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.400 same, the Volvo and the pin. You take that away, it could 201 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:29.680 be Val Kilmer in Mission Impossible another one. I'm wondering if it was the 202 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.720 success of Mission Impossible that led them to try to copy some of that. 203 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.400 My guess would be no. And the only reason is because I think this 204 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.279 movie took more than a year to film. That's so the idea that if 205 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.480 they were if it came out in ninety seven and mission it might have been 206 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.000 the only thing I can think of is they were looking at the dailies of 207 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.920 this mission impossible movie and they're, well, it was. It's to Palma 208 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:57.599 and and like Cruz, two guys who almost always deliver, especially at that 209 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.680 point, neither of them had kind of like hit their like the bumps in 210 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.880 their career. Cruise would be doing that, I guess, like in about 211 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:10.359 ten years, and Di Palma had either just bounced back from like the Blowout 212 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.559 or no, yeah, it would just bounce back after Pulp Fiction and everything 213 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.480 like that. It was Bonfire or the Vanities that really, yeah, I 214 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:23.759 recall that was DePalma's big Yeah. That and Blowout, another Philadelphia movie. 215 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.240 That's why I know a ton about Blowout, and people were pretty unhappy with 216 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:34.680 that. But I just remember when Tarantino was doing press for Pulp Fiction, 217 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.240 he talked about how much he loved to Palma, and he talked about how 218 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.079 much he loved Travolta, and in that movie Blowout both of them, and 219 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.680 it really caused a lot of studios to give him a second look. But 220 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.640 you're right, he had a couple of flops between then and like when he 221 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.640 started to resurge again in ninety six. The Saint is a real weird movie 222 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.640 that cost a lot of money and did a bad like did bad at the 223 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.960 box office and is kind of like an oddity today, which makes it perfect 224 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:04.960 fodder for this podcast. So I'm very excited to talk about this movie with 225 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.400 you guys. Was there anything else that you wanted to talk about? Well, 226 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.960 so as you as you mentioned, I didn't realize, though it makes 227 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:18.319 sutal sense that this went through a lot of reshoots. So now I wonder 228 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.359 because when you look at her filmography, this is the movie Elizabeth Shoe does 229 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.079 after she wins her oscar. But did she maybe not have that oscar when 230 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.440 this starts? W did she win in ninety six? I'm trying to remember, 231 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.920 because if it is, I'm almost certainly she at least signed this before 232 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.400 signed the in context, before she would have had that oscar. Almost certainly, 233 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.200 I don't think she did. She just think she was just nominated. 234 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:48.079 I'm on it, I'm on it. Elizabeth Shoe is a very perplexing character 235 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.440 in this movie. She was initially in the original movie killed off poisoned by 236 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.119 our main bad guy. Audiences hated that, and I can see why because 237 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:04.079 she despite like making a choice to play kind of an unhinged character who every 238 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:08.279 time the camera cuts back to her is doing a different like emotion. She's 239 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.799 probably my favorite character in this movie, obviously, sans a couple of the 240 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.599 saints themselves the disguises, and they have weirdly they have they do have good 241 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:22.920 chemistry. She Okay, so she was nominated for she was nominated for everything 242 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.640 for Leaving Las Vegas, but she didn't win the Oscar. Yeah, but 243 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:32.079 even still, that performance and that movie, you'd think that she would never 244 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:36.279 touch a movie like this. But I'm sure the ink was dry on it 245 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.920 before that happened, and I'm sure she got compensated. Well yeah, page 246 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:44.039 she does. Yeah, And I think she comes out smelling fine in this 247 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.039 Like this is a stinker of a movie, but none of it gets on 248 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.599 her. I think the problem. I think the problem with her character is 249 00:20:52.039 --> 00:21:00.680 Elizabeth Shoe just radiates intelligence hmm, and emotional maturity and she's playing a woman 250 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:07.759 who's just wandering with like an et level of naivete about how human relationships were, 251 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.680 Like she just like she literally just hatched out of an air the day 252 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:18.160 before and it's never seen a man she's keeping. She's keeping world changing secrets 253 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:23.799 in her raw. She's got eight equations and she can't figure out the order 254 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.759 they go in. That's yeah, the all things will definitely get into. 255 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.519 But the one thing I did want to say is some scene she is that 256 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:36.839 naivete, and then other scenes she seems to have some crazy emotional intelligence that 257 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:41.599 doesn't even make sense based off of what we've seen before. So we're based 258 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.039 based on what this Like other characters say it's like, oh, she's so 259 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.279 cagey and she's so like eccentric. I'm like, I don't know. She's 260 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:55.519 a super attractive, super intelligent, like super articulate person who seems easily likable. 261 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.400 So I'm very confused by that. Like the script doctor in me was 262 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.519 going crazy this whole time, because honestly, in the early scenes between Val 263 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:11.079 Kilmer and Elizabeth sche I agree they have they have chemistry, and I'm like, 264 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:17.799 there is a germ of a really good idea here, Like I could 265 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:23.119 get on board with there's a really broken guy and a really awkward scientist who 266 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:29.480 he's catfishing her, and like he halfway, he gets halfway through it and 267 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.200 is like, I can't go through with it, and then he does anyway, 268 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.200 and then the guy who he works for comes after them, and I'm 269 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.079 like, and they and she needs him to survive, and I'm like if 270 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:47.039 she if her reaction was I hate you so much because you took everything I 271 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.599 you know, this is everything. You completely scammed me, right, but 272 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.200 then grows to understand why he does what he does what a broken person is 273 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.720 like, there's something that could work there, but like he's thrown off so 274 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:06.039 many red flags that I'm like, lady, run, like what is happening 275 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.599 here? Like just he's a North Korean parade in that scene is right, 276 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:17.279 like my favorite moment in this entire movie. And I'm like, and this, 277 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.400 you know, like what I wanted to see because the movie was already 278 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:25.720 so far downhill and underwater at this point when she sees the statue of Shelley, 279 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.880 the like naked Greek statue, and then she turns around and he's there 280 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.960 in the same position, and I'm like, if he's naked, lying behind 281 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.759 her ten for ten, like this movie wins everything forever. If he's naked, 282 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.039 he's not damn it all right, forget it. Well he's almost, 283 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:48.000 but we'll get to that at that scene. Here's the other way, my 284 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.160 my script, doctor brainwent, and I know Pete was feeling the same way 285 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.920 because we were We were chatting with each other over discord as we watched it, 286 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:56.960 and we were like, Okay, this is where this movie is going, 287 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.960 and it's gonna escalate it to another level insanity. So yeah, so 288 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:07.599 I was hoping for this ending all the way up, like through her giving 289 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:14.079 him the pin, She's gonna turn out to be the little girl who falls 290 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:19.000 off the balcony from the start of the Oh wow, who somehow survived and 291 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:26.079 he has spent his whole life thinking he got her killed but no m and 292 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.279 they'd be reunited. That would have been so so But my my script doctor 293 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.160 brain thought nothing, nothing quite so dramatic. But I thought, there there's 294 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:40.599 like a really interesting movie where like the rest of the characters are even halfway 295 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:49.160 as intelligent as the sun, as you know, euro trash Kokuttevic. And 296 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.119 because my favorite, my favorite scene is where her in the train station, 297 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.799 the sun clocks him immediately. You mean he clocks him seven times? Yeah, 298 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.000 it's him, Dad, it's him, it's him. It's him. 299 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.720 Like there's a there's a there's a there's a much better movie where he where 300 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:12.799 he puts on bad dist guys, and nobody cares. That would have been 301 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:18.960 great. Yeah, then everyone sort of tolerates him. Yes, yeah, 302 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.880 Well I don't have a script doctor mine like you guys do. But what 303 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.519 I do have is the time to go over this movie a couple of times 304 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.960 and to write a bunch of trivia questions about it. So how about we 305 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:41.079 get started on that. To start off this movie, we're going to go 306 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.839 over some of our favorite saints. So I'm going to give you the name 307 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:51.920 of one of the saints, and you guys can buzz in and tell me 308 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.799 the two things, and if you only get the one or the other, 309 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.680 somebody else can steal. The first thing is tell me the first time we 310 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.880 meet this saint. And the second thing is tell me the sort of factoid 311 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:14.599 that Val Kilmer says about the saint, because he is never without a quip 312 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:22.680 or a one sentence Wikipedia like factoid about these saints that he likes to personify. 313 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:30.240 So the first one that I have who is August Christopher is August Christopher 314 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.400 who he is when he's doing his Doc Holiday voice and he shows up at 315 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.920 the airport at the end. Yeah, the embassy at the end. It's 316 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.960 like an embassy airport. So that is the August Christopher character. Can you 317 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:49.640 remember the factoid he gives about him? I cannot. I zoned out when 318 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.599 I realized he was just doing his Doc Holiday voice again. Yeah, no 319 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.640 worries. Uh, that was, in fact August Christopher's thing. He was 320 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.880 Doc Holliday, so that's yeah. No, he had another thing to say. 321 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:08.599 Michael, Is it that Saint Christopher is the patron say to the lost? 322 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.319 Uh No, it's actually not that, Pete. Did you have a 323 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:18.759 guest? Uh? Now I've got the patron saint of the lost. Let's 324 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.359 see here. Uh, I don't know, let me guess he Uh he 325 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.880 was burned alive but but came back. It's just a wild guest. That 326 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:32.079 sounds like something some saint must have done some point. So, Michael, 327 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.640 you were on the right track. It is about He's not named after Saint 328 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.039 Christopher. He's named after Saint Augustine. So his factoid, he says, 329 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.640 is named after Saint Augustine, who coined my favorite phrase, give me chastity 330 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:49.480 and constancy, but don't give it yet. Saint Augustine, the one whose 331 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:56.400 brothers tied him up and sold him to a brothel or something like that. 332 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.000 That's totally possible. I didn't look up the Saints before this, believe it 333 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.759 or not. I had a heart enough time getting all of Val Kilmer's Saints 334 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.559 straight. But yeah, I did look up that phrase, and there's like 335 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:10.240 a whole like explanation of it. And the explanation is not that great. 336 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:15.400 It's not a particularly interesting story. Saint Augustine is like a famous scholar. 337 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:21.359 I think I'm confused why they chose that particular factoid about him. So ninety 338 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:26.359 seven the Internet in its infancy, so someone on set had like Sister Mary 339 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:33.039 Sue's Big Book of Saints, right, yeah, definitely. Well the only 340 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.440 site you could go to was that like site about like exotic pets and like 341 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.000 Argentina or whatever that was. That was the Internet back then, the landing 342 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.519 page. So that's one point for John, I believe. So we got 343 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.640 the first part. So we'll go to the next Saint Mark. Is this 344 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.200 a bad time for us to confess that we were all raised Catholic? So 345 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:59.079 every single one of these things is a strike against our mortal souls that we 346 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.240 can't name what these who these saints were. Much like some of the normal 347 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.000 panelists, everybody here was also raised Catholic. But as somebody who went to 348 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.720 twelve years of Catholic school, I would say, they don't really talk about 349 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:15.200 a ton of the saints too too often. I survived six years, but 350 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.079 not not twelve. Yeah, And I was thinking to myself, like I've 351 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.640 definitely heard of like Saint Augustine. There's one or two other ones that I've 352 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.920 heard of. But it's like for the I think there's like six or seven 353 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.359 names that he gives, and most of them they're picking pretty obscure saints. 354 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.839 And and if I did know the factoids about them, they've chosen pretty strange 355 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:40.640 facts that don't really explain a lot of them. It's like it's like I 356 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.119 was confirmed into the church as Saint Francis of a CC, the patron Saint 357 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.119 of animals, but it would be like giving like it's like, oh, 358 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.039 I'm Saint Francis I'm named after a saint who talked to a dog that one 359 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.359 time or something, right that exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's like, 360 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.759 no, there's more to it than that. There's like a whole like it's 361 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.000 just very strange. I am truly confused about how they came up with their 362 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:10.680 factoids about the saints. For instance, this next scene which so you have 363 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:18.160 to tell me where and what the factoid was for Bruno Hassen fat So John 364 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:26.319 buzzed in, I'm I'm sure, I'm certain it was. That's the name 365 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:33.000 he takes when he's in the German train station trying to deceive Trediak and his 366 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:41.039 son Euro tresh Koquettovich. That's that. Just Kilmer's delivery of the name has 367 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.720 burned into my psyche forever and may never and may never leave. Oh you 368 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.880 better believe that I went online and check the spelling on that, because I 369 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.960 did not trust his pronunciation. So absolutely. I actually cannot remember the factoid, 370 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.000 because once again I was just stunned in his belief. Yeah do you 371 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.200 either, you guys remember the fact toity gives this one is a bit like 372 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:12.559 memorable. Mm hmm, no, mhmm. Yeah. I think I was 373 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.400 also stunned into submission, like John, all right, Well, unfortunately then 374 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.599 you guys have to hear my Bruno impression here at a saint was a very 375 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.000 wealthy man, had the wine, had the women, the song, and 376 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.160 then inexplicably took a vow of poverty and became a hermit and went off and 377 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.720 live in the forest. In the nude. If you had said in the 378 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.960 nude, I would have taken it, because I'm pretty sure that's the only 379 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.440 Yeah, that's the only scene. He was a real girly man, you 380 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:48.319 know. Oh yeah, very very nineties yourro like coded there is the time 381 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.559 on Sprockets when we dance. This fits right into my rewrite of where she 382 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.519 Elizabeth Shoot turns around and Val Kilmer is just lying there neked. He's like, 383 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.559 what did you not hear of Saint Bruno? Well, she met a 384 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:08.400 hornier saint apparently right that so it might be this next saint. Do any 385 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:14.720 guys remember where we first met John Baptiste Rosie. Okay, I believe that's 386 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.799 the name. They try to give him the orphanage. Yep. The first 387 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.759 time we hear that name is in a flashback, and I included it because 388 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.000 there is a pithy factoid about the saint. Do you remember the factoid that 389 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.960 the evil priest says, this is the only one I'm gonna get, Like 390 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:31.759 the I'm not sure I'm gonna be able, but yeah, the evil priest 391 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.039 is like your John Rossie, say your name. Uh, I'm gonna go 392 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:42.680 for a wild guess it'd be was he was he? Uh? Was he 393 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.640 tortured? Was it was? Was he was someone trying to get something out 394 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:52.599 of him? Uh? No, I'm saying, does somebody else want to 395 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.960 give that a try? Yeah, I'm not gonna get it exactly right. 396 00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:00.799 But it had something to do with his with his wealth. Did he give 397 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:08.359 away his wealth? He's like, that's exactly right again, because this movie 398 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:15.319 wants to be the origin to a Robin hood as franchise that will never materialize. 399 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:21.480 No, so he says, you're named after John Baptist Rosie, a 400 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.599 Capuchin priest who gave away all his possessions, and that it's like and I'm 401 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.400 surprised every time he stops talking, like lightning bolts don't like shoot out from 402 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.640 behind him or something. He's like a true evil Catholic priest in this Like, 403 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.359 so we've got a couple more. Is it weird that capuchin? The 404 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.519 only thing I the word Cain with is monkeys, And I'm like, he 405 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.519 was a he's like a monkey. Pries like he just yeah, he gave 406 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.480 away all of it. He was a monkey. That's what I should have 407 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.160 said. Oh yeah, the thing about John Baptist ROSSI he was a monkey. 408 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.640 He gave his life, he loved he loved strong coffee. He gave 409 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.920 his life serving medical science. That capuchin monkey. That's what and that and 410 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:07.640 that's why we've canonized him. So the next saint that we have is who 411 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:15.039 is Vincent Ferrer? Is that his persona when he's on the plane. No, 412 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:21.079 I'm afraid that's not Do one of you guys have a guess it's Vincent? 413 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.880 I think because I can't remember, that seems most likely to be the 414 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:34.239 catfishing Elizabeth Shoe persona. But I don't think where was that he's wait and 415 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.719 when he's the the you know, the the horny Yah, Yeah, no, 416 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.599 that's not him. Now okay, Nah, do you have a guest 417 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:51.800 John or no? So Vincent Ferrer is the name that he uses when he's 418 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:57.880 returned to Moscow. In the Moscow hotel when Elizabeth's shoe confronts him. It's 419 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.800 Vincent Ferrer, named after a s who betrayed his best friend. Which they're 420 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.480 not best friends. They they don't know each other if anything, like she 421 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:15.679 doesn't know anything about him really, so no one gets points for that one. 422 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.800 But this next one, you knew it was coming, so ready or 423 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:30.039 buzzers? Who is Thomas Moore? John? All right? So Thomas Moore 424 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.960 was the name he was under when he catfished her at the Shelley statue as 425 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.159 Shelley mind remember was his fact weight? Just that he was martyred for his 426 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:45.599 faith? Yeah, a saint who died for his faith? Like, which 427 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.039 gets her so hot? Let me tell you there is one way into this 428 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:59.760 girl's pants and martyrdom. Yeah, so believe it or not. There are 429 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:06.320 couple of disguises that Val Kilmer dawns in this movie that are not saint based, 430 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.800 so to buzz in for this, can somebody name the three non saint 431 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:17.679 disguises that Kilmer utilizes in this movie? Michael, all right, I'm going 432 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:24.119 to take a wild guess. His old man scientist character that he uses twice 433 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:31.960 in the movie, The euro Trash Russian guy on the plane when he's well 434 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.639 no, okay, so somehow I didn't include that. I remember, oh, 435 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.039 I remember that one. So the reason is Martin de Poris was on 436 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.840 here and I accidentally scrolled past it. So okay, I'm going because I 437 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.320 didn't include Martin de Pores, a Peruvian saint who could cure the sick and 438 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.400 injured by the laying of hands, I'm going to give you another shot at 439 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:58.320 okay, because I should have included that, and my apologies to Martin de 440 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.400 Pores stands out there who were waiting with baited breath for him to be included, 441 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.159 and somehow Mark made a mistake, So you got one of the three. 442 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.960 So far. There are two other disguises, the Russian at the top 443 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.880 of the movie. The Russian at the top of the movie, his first 444 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:21.079 disguise, he's like the security guy. Yeah, there are a couple of 445 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.880 Russians ones. Those ones all count kind of as one, And so can 446 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:29.320 you name one more, because there's actually four, because I actually did conclude 447 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.639 the Russian one, But you're absolutely right. The many Russian disguises that he 448 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:38.480 wears nondescript Russians, and actually there's two clearly I didn't think of all there's 449 00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:44.079 there's there's three more. There's three. Yeah, there's three more. Yeah. 450 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.360 Yeah, So actually, if if you can get one more, I'll 451 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.280 give you the points and then either of you guys can come in with the 452 00:37:50.320 --> 00:38:05.880 other ones. Okay, so you got two. Let's see, there's three 453 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.199 more that I can think of. So we've already said the nerd character, 454 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:14.599 we've already said the the various Russian disguises that he put on. But I 455 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.039 can think of three more that he comes on. I think John is the 456 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.480 next one buzzed in. Oh oh oh god. I just thought, well, 457 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:28.079 we'll see how its. Yeah, I might be overthinking. After he 458 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.639 jumps off the roof with the at the beginning with the microchip, he becomes 459 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.920 the drunk Russian guy in the street, and then immediately and immediately ditches that 460 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:45.599 for the the photographer ghotographer. I was kind of considering that one. So 461 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.960 yeah, you definitely got we're considering. We're considering when he actually dresses up 462 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:55.719 as Treddiek, as the rod Aser Beggie character. Yeah, yep. And 463 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.079 then there's one more that it's it's hard for me to not like, like 464 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.440 try to get you guys on because it's a it's an important scene in my 465 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.519 opinion. It may only be a couple of seconds long. Oh it's it's 466 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:14.599 the missus doubtfire moment when he's the yes a missus doutfire moment. Oh my 467 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:20.119 god, get away from us, which imagine the goal. I mean, 468 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.840 he also, like, as you pointed out, he also wears a bunch 469 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.639 of like kind of the same Russian disguise. But the three that I had 470 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:32.239 written down where the nerd character tret tretchiak and then the Russian made a lot 471 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.519 of like nondescript one. I think I've got one more, and it's a 472 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.440 it's a unique one because he does not go in disguise. It's just he's 473 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.800 on the phone. Oh but he plays like a stock brow or he's an 474 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:52.400 art it's part. It's early in the film. He has the the he 475 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.840 has a voice, has a voice funny. He's talking to him trying to 476 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.000 he's trying to get to his fifty million for whatever reason. And yeah, 477 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.639 he's got like this, you know, like he's in Wall Street. He's 478 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.239 got this very Stockbroie kind of thing going. He's like, oh, you 479 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.039 won't regret it. You know, like and he's like doing this deal with 480 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.679 some unknown person and his his money tally, you know, rolls up again, 481 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.719 and I think it's at that point he goes, just can't get fifty 482 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.079 million. Yeah, I was looking for when he actually like puts on the 483 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.800 fake mustache and like the the dress and stuff like that. But yeah, 484 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.639 he does a lot of voices and discuss He really leaned on his Juilliard training 485 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.559 in this movie. Really classical. So yeah, I think each of you 486 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:46.000 guys earned a point for that. Sorry Pete, but that we've got. 487 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.519 So I wanted to introduce some of the characters because obviously we'll be talking about 488 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.519 them, so let's actually get into the movie. So I've got a couple 489 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.840 of questions right off the bat. We open up, Does anybody remember what 490 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.559 opening like card things? Oh, it's unforgettable? Okay, And well we're 491 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.199 gonna have to go with Pete because he buzzed in first. This was one 492 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.599 of my favorite things. It is, Uh, it takes place. Do 493 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.599 I have to say an order? It tells you where and when it tells 494 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.599 you yeah whatever. Yeah, it took place yesterday and it took place in 495 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.400 the Far East. Uh, it's the producers really wanted to let you know 496 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.800 that it took place within this very specific twenty four hour period and somewhere on 497 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.199 the largest land mass on the planet. Yeah, I guess. And again 498 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.079 they don't sound English, so I was like, oh, the far east 499 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.599 of no, right, the US, like in New England or something like 500 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.599 that. There's like, I think, I think like two Asian kids in 501 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:51.159 that orphanage. I don't know what is going on. There's colonial I don't 502 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.840 know what it is. I don't know if it's supposed to be Nepal or 503 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.320 Vietnam or something. And I believe this is actually another part that's accurate to 504 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:07.840 the Saint mythology that he was raised in the East. Right, I don't 505 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:15.599 think the stuff about the Catholic school. There's a bunch of Asian boys students, 506 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.519 but I don't I don't think there are any Asian girl students. But 507 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.760 it's clearly a mix, and clearly right, it's the The impression is that 508 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.320 it's their orphans, right, Yeah, well they're definitely orphans. So my 509 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:38.800 next question is, does anybody remember the name of the orphanage. It's like 510 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:50.239 Saint like Saint Bastards of the Well that whatever you're coming up with is a 511 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.760 better title for a movie than this one, So, John, that would 512 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.519 have been the title if the priest had his brothers. We haven't really introduced 513 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.119 him yet. But no, it's got a more additional Catholic orphanage name. 514 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:09.679 The name of the orphanage is Saint Ignatius. And then but yeah, as 515 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.000 you were saying, like, this was the beginning of my confusion about this 516 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.360 movie, because it's if it takes place in the Far East, anywhere other 517 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.599 than the United States. A lot of people in the Far East apparently speak 518 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:28.559 English. People in Russia speak English, people in this flashback speak English. 519 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.480 In fact, it's pretty rare when we hear a language that's not English in 520 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:37.519 this movie. That's kind of a globe. So not to be a Saint 521 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:45.800 apologist, but I would venture to say that, you know, yesterday in 522 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:58.039 the Far East, a colonial Catholic institution probably did literally beat English into their 523 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:05.760 right that I'm like now, the fluency in which these children spoke English, 524 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:14.480 and why these two blonde haired British children ended up in a Far East orphanage 525 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.440 I do not have an answer for. But yeah, I think that English 526 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:25.000 was the language of the day if not Latin. Yeah, it's I didn't 527 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.360 want to. I didn't want to ruin it. But are you were you 528 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:32.599 going to ask about the second title card? I was going I wasn't going 529 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:37.639 to ask about it, but I was not. I was going to ask 530 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:38.400 about it, but I was going to bring it up. I promise. 531 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:45.599 But because we got but we're still yesterday, Pete, we haven't gotten to 532 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.880 tomorrow. Yeah, trust me, I've got a long script. I don't 533 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.559 I don't. I don't miss a lot except Martin de pore Is unfortunately. 534 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:01.199 But the what But to your point, my Michael, they do speak a 535 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:07.159 lot of English, and in fact, they even use old timey like insults, 536 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.239 like English insults. Does anybody remember the old timey insult that the priest 537 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.320 used on the kids, which I was looking it up a little bit. 538 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.159 It seems like a thing that you shouldn't be saying if you're a Catholic priest. 539 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.360 Yeah, did anybody clock this? Or is this just me? After 540 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.480 reviewing this? Or so he calls the I forget if he calls the group 541 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:36.880 or just simon templar a kur, which is an old timey means like a 542 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.119 mutt or a mongrel, which I do think is very specifically remember that like 543 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.599 English. So again, not only is this guy speaking yeah, it's shakesperience. 544 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.599 Yeah. Yeah, these guys, this priest hates kids. Like this 545 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.000 guy doesn't just like is not a tough love guy. He's like nothing would 546 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:59.800 bring him more joy is just to murk these kids. It's like truly again, 547 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.480 I didn't go to Catholic school, and like my dad was when and 548 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.800 my mom was when, like there was corporal punishment. But I even the 549 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.800 old nuns and the old priests who were like kind of a vestige of yesterday, 550 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.719 who were like still teaching, seemed to at least kind of like kids. 551 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.719 Like on some level, this this guy hates kids. You think you 552 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.159 can get a transfer or something like that. He I think this probably is 553 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:30.519 his transfer. This yeah, this is like get this guy out of here. 554 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.000 We gotta gotta send him to the Far East. Uh he wasn't the 555 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.679 East, but they like sent him even further. I was impressed. Something 556 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:44.519 that struck me is, uh, you know, he sends all the girls 557 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:49.119 to bed and then he puts all the boys in the cafeteria and locks the 558 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:54.440 food in a cage. And it is the most luscious looking meal. Yeah, 559 00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.119 oh, any Catholic or orphanage has ever served? Like was that like 560 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.039 an entire week's worth of food that he put in that cage? And why 561 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.599 would you store food in a cage where humans can't get to it but mice 562 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.400 and any other vermin can get to it? Like I think he was hoping 563 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.440 for that. He was like, that's part of the punishments, Like you're 564 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.320 gonna watch the mice eat it, kid. I actually thought the logic there 565 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:25.920 was to let them smell it, I guess, but that, Yeah, 566 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:34.000 it really came across in this movie. I'll say that the plan that was 567 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.159 being that was hatched by this priest is the why the food was in that 568 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.480 cage. Yeah. Well, anyway, we start to get in this like 569 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.920 scene of glimpse at our buddy or Simon Templar, who were going to be 570 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:51.000 following around. He won't acknowledge his name. He instead takes the name of 571 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:57.880 I guess, like a magician in like Catholic lore. He does some quick 572 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.199 sleight of hand pickpocketing and he's able to free all the food from the cage. 573 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.119 Then he puts on a cape which is some like iconography that he never 574 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.960 utilizes later or anything like that. It's great. Like as he's coming up, 575 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.840 all the all the boys are like going like food food, food, 576 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.280 food, food, food, like as if they had rehearsed it or something 577 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.000 like that. It's such a bizarre. It is such a bizarre moment because 578 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:27.239 he hasn't done anything yet, and they're like, do they know he's gonna 579 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.639 do it? Or are they? Are they like begging him to say, 580 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.719 I'm John Rossy or it doesn't make any sense now. The cape thing which 581 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.199 made me howl with laughter. Right, he's wearing a cape as if he 582 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:47.800 is Simon Magus, the Magician, but it has the red cross of the 583 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:53.400 Templar Knights. The book that he is reading shoved into his into his Bible, 584 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.719 and I love that. The priest is angry. How dare you read 585 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.480 this other piece of Catholic literature and not your little, big little boys big 586 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:08.639 book of saints. Uh yeah, So it's very weird. I mean, 587 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.559 they he took a moment, right, he freed the food, and everyone's 588 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.920 like, let's go save the girls, and he's like, yeah, one 589 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.199 second, I'm just gonna get the sheet. I'm gonna paint a night of 590 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:25.880 the templar cross on it, and then we're gonna go to this caged area. 591 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.679 There's so many cages in this orphanage. This orphanage is like built like 592 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:37.719 a zoo. There's so many like except what part is not cage? The 593 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.679 part you could easily plummet off of. Well, you don't need a cage 594 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:46.039 where there's a railing. Yeah, the only things that are in the cage 595 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.519 are the dogs or presumably there's a kennel somewhere else. So they they go 596 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.639 up to rescue the girls, and I actually don't have this written down. 597 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.400 Do they ever remember the name of the girl that he like? Is it 598 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:05.800 Agnes? Oh? Yes, Agnes? Yes, Sniss again a character who 599 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.079 seems to have a bigger impact on him than Elizabeth Shoe for most of this 600 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.079 movie. And that's why Elizabeth Shoe should have turned out to have been Agnes. 601 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.880 Maybe she has amnesia, she doesn't remember what happened to her. That's 602 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.639 in the sequel they were planning. Yeah maybe, or maybe it's a situation 603 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.639 where she doesn't recognize him. And but then when he shows his like tool, 604 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.519 the like tool that he used, like it would have been a reveal 605 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.039 or something like that somebody gets full noise on the phone. We fixed this 606 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.360 movie thirty years later. Yeah, we're too may The only thing we could 607 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.800 do is rant about it for a few hours. Like I know, I'm 608 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.480 thick sometimes when I'm watching movies, But this was the part that confused me 609 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.400 the most. Is he like, is he caught at the end of this 610 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.440 scene? Like it's kind of just like she falls to her death in the 611 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.519 middle of the escape, and then it's like, okay, and then that 612 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.280 scene's done, and you're like, so are we led to believe that he 613 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.639 then escaped or that they keep telling him and he says it to her later 614 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:08.920 on and later he's recovering from uh from almost freezing. I think he doesn't 615 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.599 realize what he's saying. He says, now, right, he says, 616 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.440 she died and then I escaped. Now he doesn't, he doesn't necessary he 617 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.400 doesn't. Okay, I didn't catch but I believe you it was the same 618 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:29.199 night like at some point, right. Yeah, that again was information we 619 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.960 would see brought out in the sequel. Mm hmm, yeah, I have 620 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.039 I have written down here somebody's going to jail for murdering that girl. Right, 621 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:45.159 First of all, I mean, who who really killed her? Right, 622 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.519 it's the dog, right, the priest lets the dog that dog, 623 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.000 Like you're really you're really like arguing for this guy. I do think that 624 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.960 it was the priest fault, or at least the movie makes like leads us. 625 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.800 I believe that, and so nobody like that child had no family. 626 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:09.199 I'm sure you're right. They probably beat young Val Kilmer. I'm sure they 627 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:13.639 blamed him, beat him senseless, and then, uh, you know, 628 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.079 for all I know, they threw him out into the wilds of the far 629 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.840 East, and he raised his batman begins, and then he left, and 630 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:27.199 then he had to go even further east until eventually, eventually, so eventually 631 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.400 he was in the west. Yeah, and well eventually he kept walking east 632 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:37.000 until we make it to Moscow tomorrow. But actually that's the end of the 633 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:43.559 first round. So at the end of the first round, we've got John 634 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.519 in the lead with four points, followed by Pete and Mike, who are 635 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.960 both tied at two points. So I can't believe I have that many. 636 00:52:52.920 --> 00:53:00.679 I didn't either. I think he gave me a little boost from Agnes maybe. 637 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.800 Well, there it is the first round of what did we just watch 638 00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.920 the Saint. If you want to find out if I make an amazing come 639 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.760 from behind and take total victory, then you need to listen to the entire 640 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.039 episode. You can listen to what did We just Watch wherever you get your 641 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:24.000 podcasts. Other movies that they have recently tackled include Demolition Man, The Masters 642 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:30.360 of the Universe, and Return to Oz Nightmare Fuel for any child of the 643 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:36.199 eighties. Anyway, I hope you've enjoyed this little dalliance into the world of 644 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.760 Val Kilmer. 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