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going to bring on our guest today. Let's welcome Ben and Betton. How
are you today, sir, I'll do it excellent. Thank you George,
Yeah, thank you much, thank you so much for joining us. Why
don't you go, ahad and I introduce yourself to the audience. Is Betton
Bernard. I'd come from my style called Little Boston, Illinois on the Mississippi
River, kind of Kevin where then knows of the Illinois, I'd say,
people will call it. And I grew up in a town where I graduated
with like twice seven people in my class at ninety nine and wow, just
yep, and knew the people I've known all my life. I just gotta
was it was kind of you if you went to New Boston, you had
to be going there to valuated kinda curves around the town. So I fell
a lot of time on the river, last a lot of time looking at
the stars and camping out and stuff like that, and uh, and just
kind of felt isolated, always felt isolated. My father he was a and
a military kid, and he went all over the world, so he would
share experiences and stuff like that. And he was always interested in space as
well, and like our family of this NASA, like you're always growing up.
My dad had the newspaper articles he saved him of all the rocket launches
and stuff like that, and that, you know, and then a whole
challenger saying blah blah blah and uh so like I always like loved the idea
of space and exploration of space. And and then I went to college and
started real life and that uh there's other places in New Boston and uh and
other people and other and uh so I was going to school for C and
C machining because I wanted to build motorcycles, even though I would never get
on a motorcycle, as like the design and everything, and so I was
learning strength of materials and how certain you got to potensil, strength of steal,
and so you had to know how fast to cut something without it breaking.
And then September e Lives happened and I'm taking a class and then the
picture walks out, goes hope, but we're attacked and goes on with the
glass go outside, and then all of a sudden, like both buildings are
burning, and if they've always been going on for an hour and every stand
there and they just fall down. And then I'm taking a you know,
pretty applied physics. You know. It's like, how like a for example,
there would like a semi going sixty miles per hour, How fast would
a gold wagon bug if it stayed intagged would stop a semi? There was
like ten thousand meters per second squared, you know. So and just just
the way steel is and how the heat and how they kind of explained it.
And I was like, well that doesn't make sense. And like the
way the deside of the building, it's all the steel and concrete and aluminum.
Hitting a steel building would not cause us that damage. One and two
their pancake theory of this everything falling down, and it's like, well,
the steel structures used to be there, right, or the there should be
a pile of debris, but it was this an empty, gaping hole,
right. And then yeah, the stuff that's what started me and and I
before that Waco, I you know, that was a lot of display for
everybody. It's like there's the people in this house and it's like you burn
it down, like come on, It's like it's insane. And uh So
when I years later and I think about twenty thirteen. I just was looking
at the stars and I was like looking at Jupiter and Saturday, and I
was like, you know what, Uh, it's the they say this flection
or this the sun's raith hit the moon and that's what lights it up.
Like what about Jupiter and Saturn? What about all these other It's like,
did that have the sun that bright? Did it lights those plants up to
and they're made of gas? And I was like, there's something's not right.
And then I saw that Air debate two hundred proofs just looking through you
know, I was just looking. I was really big into Atlantis and I
was like, you know, they're like, oh, there's island of Atlantis.
It's like why would they call the Atlantic Ocean if there was no like
Atlanti civilization. And then started looking at it and it's like about the the
starting of evolution, like made by the Catholic Church and like all these Catholic
backers and Copernicus and stuff like that. And then that showed up and that
was once I saw like the track because I grew near trains and the river,
so it's all everything's flat, and I was just like, if theyre
a crivilege of the earth. The train tracks would like be cutting in these
big, huge valleys because if you look down the train track, it's completely
streng So once all I saw that, I was like, oh and then
if it just kind of shattered my life. I was just like everything that
we've ever was thought it was a big a lot. Everything's a lot.
And what year was that, Yeah, about twelve or thirteen. Okay,
I just gone through a divorce and I was just for two years. I
just you know, okay, I just was isolated myself from the world,
and my job changed. I started confront I started, you know, just
telling the truth. They're telling what I felt, and this like this anything
that I had thought of of I wouldn't be like instead of sitting there,
it's doing it. I would, you know, try to get somebody seed
man, and this very my whole perspective on things and trying to talk to
somebody. It's like I was, that was like a lot of anger and
people that have like, you know, I think I would telligent person.
I used to pick people's cars and electronics. I learned electronics on my own
and then this I learned all this stuff and people, would you know,
help what ask my help for things to fix anything or this. You know,
hey, do you know this? You know this? I would know
it because they had a pretty good memory. And it's when I brought this
up to somebody, it's like, oh, you're crazy. You don't know
what you're talking about. It's like, well, why would I sit here?
And if all of a sudden, if oh there's this lad and it's
and everybody's got angry because it's just like, oh, you're stupid, You're
just I don't want to hear this stuff. I don't want to this,
Like it was complete avoidance and no one would even tear me out. And
it's kind of like, but it was heartbreaking because as like, how it
could somebody just all of a sudden this regard regard you and they look at
you different. You know, isn't that amazing? Even the people that we've
known our whole lives, when we go to press these particular subjects that no
matter what kind of person like, you could have known them for fifty years
and never had an incident. And when you'd bring something up, I think
what it is you had mentioned When you realize when you talked about the train
tracks, and you realize that the earth was flat. It does change your
life. And do you think part of it is people don't want their world
turned upside down? Oh yeah, they don't because you shouldn't, because I
don't know if you shouldn't. But it's like, I know, life experience,
it's been nothing but heartbreak and pain. But it brought me that.
It's like the others, it brought me to God, which is the most
important thing in the world, right is like, you know, this is
you know, I didn't believe that Lucifer, like God create creates Lucifer.
Lucifer creates the world, and this is you know, and God knows.
So this is the prison they made for the fall on angels and everything.
And like the pipe you know, they call it the Lucifer, the Prince
of the power of the air. It's like and then there's I can't remember
the verses, but like with all the pipes and everything like that. So
it's like and then the story of the pipe piper, I get to see
that, like the so here it comes Lucifers plays his flute, and the
angels come here, and then we have to make our way back, you
know, to God. And anything of this world is this. Uh,
it's it's controlled by Lucifer. It's it's it's over his domain. And you
know, you when Jesus came back, it was like, I'm not I'm
the king of I'm not the king of this world and the king of another
world. So it's it's it's just the whole you know, brings yourself to
It humbles yourself to not be emotional about other people's ideas or anything like that,
just your your own path to God and and all of your kind.
That the dulling emotion dulls all your emotions too. It's like you're just here
existing forgot. You know. It's like I have a hard time getting excited
about things anymore, or but I don't have any anger anymore either. Yeah,
been really great, but it was it's it's hard. It's like to
say to somebody that you know, hey, believe this, and then you
know, it's like the thing the struggles I've gone through that you don't You
wouldn't want that to be on anybody else for sure. And there's two things
but you want but you want them to know the truth. You want them
to know the truth too, right, and you know the truth can be
I'd rather have the hard truth, uh than a lie, you know with
shedder and ice cream on top. And that's that's just the way the world
is. And the other thing I wanted to mention, when you're talking about
worldly things, the matrix that they've created. They've made it difficult for us
to completely walk away from worldly things. Not not saying that it can't be
down, but the matrix. You know that this monetary society, how they
built not just this country, but the world on this fake fiat currency where
there they have to work you to death and you don't even have time to
do the things that you should be doing. You should be raising your your
children and at you what you should be educating your children. And it should
be a community based world that we lived and not not not front we talked
about before the program, how the power should be at the bottom of the
pyramid, not at the top of the pyramid. And that's how upside down
we are in this world right now exactly. And you know, and the
people that say, oh, we have to save of the earth or save
of this and day these big huge things, it's like, save yourself first,
then save your family, then save your neighbors, and then you know,
it rules from there and everybody was a selfless and saying, okay,
our survival is our the main thing, and are you know, just be
and not you know, and it would go really fast. And like I
said, it's a you know, we're giving all this money to the sederal
government, but in the small towns, there are no federal programs that help
people with drug addiction or you know, troubled kids. Like I grew over
a place there was no diversity. You know, it was a white country
folks who didn't have any you know, no nobody from a different race.
And somebody gets in trouble that there is thrown into a bigger, a huge
city and their troubled kids and it's like I thought myself, as if you
built a facility that was like a dorm, it had counselors and teachers and
in the community that they're in, then they could still see their parents still
this and they get actually get help instead of throwing them in schooled with like
actual you know, because there's a bigger, bigger towns, there's more predators
and somebody that's this a troubled kid that doesn't know you know, it's like
it's so it would be so hard. They're freaking going through that. I
say, I've known people that have gone to that system and the it's just
start breaking. Yeah. And so if everybody would take other texts and p
and s, they would give it to the town and your town would be
prospers. He built the actors, he built, you'd have this place where
all his money would go to the people that live in the community, and
then would is spread and then everyone's like, oh, we're all here to
help each other out. Yeah. They really went after the community in the
seventies when they shifted the Department of Education to the federal level full throttle,
and they took community the schools away from the local folks. And then of
course that the next dagger was Reagan. I did a podcast about two months
ago in the prison industrial complex and what a big business it really really is.
It's it's incredible how they privatize prisons and uh they actually I was just
gonna say, they have quotas like if if if a prison goes under ninety
percent capacity, they lose their contracts. So they have it's just a porrent
how how prison system is ran and the county I lived in, living in
Illinois, Mercer County, and uh, you look at the budget for like
how much the county takes in the biggest it's the biggest income they get is
from the jail there. Then from getting people from Cook County in Chicago.
They transfer people there and to sit, let them sit, and they get
so much money for having people in there in the jail. And that's the
biggest income that the whole county is is from that jail. And it's just
what he's You're getting all this money from the misery of the or bringing people
this is sitting and break kidnapping him and for them in a box. It's
end in the schools like a rocket seller, you know. It's like I
don't I don't want a nation of thinkers, you know. And so when
they built the system, you know, it's like you go to school,
you get your brakes, you eat your lunch, you learn, you're taught
authority, you're taught to listen to what we say. And then you go
home and it's like then you're then when when you're going to the workforce,
you're already indoctrinating into it's just this is the way things are. This is
what you grew up. Was yeah, one hundred percent. And it's uh
again going back to community that that was really the dagger that that you know,
if you have a bad apple within your community, you shouldn't ship them
off back in the day that that's they still do that in the Middle East.
If if you have a bad apple and their local community, the shake
lays down the smack on them and the community. It's their burden. You
don't take that burden and send it off into a six byte son. And
I'm not saying to be soft on people who commit crimes. What's the web
say you is it should not be a business and you should be scared that
if prisons have quotas, and if you think you're going to get a fair
trial, and uh, just how corrupt this government is. It's you know,
just look at January six. Guys. I bring that up all the
time. Oh my god, that just is Yeah, it's like he tried.
I tried showing people that's like I've watched the video of the you know,
they say that the person I got shot, It's like there was like
there's no there was one person on the other side of the wall, and
it was a bunch of people with cameras and like this. It was just
watching all the this I've camera with the video, but he breaks it down.
It's like people sell the phones and they like they have a medic.
This person gets shot in the neck, which she's wearing a scarf, and
there's like no blood underneath of her. And I've seen like cry of shows,
like somebody gets shot. They're a big pool of blood and then there's
coughs there with like swat. People know what they're doing. It's like it's
not like a swat with a machine gun. They're very authoritative and they say,
get the hell on the ground, you're getting out of here. You
know. They don't sit there and fumble around and and no one there to
give this lady medical attention. And then they like and then by the time
they wheel her out, she's naked covered in blood. And then it's like
there's people saying, hey, this is fake, this is fake stuff.
They're not you know, lead them into building, and it's just, uh,
yeah, it's just just the way to show that if people are solid
there, you know, even if they had the Trump movement. It's like,
I don't agree with Trump because he pushed out this vaccine and all that
stuff, and I don't he fire the system, but he like brought people
that you know that are against the government and federal government and say the corruption
because because you know, he called out the corupt He's like, oh,
yeah, I know it's scrupt because I'm the one that used it. So
everybody kind of sees that says, yeah, you know, in the places
is freaking corrupt. And then it started bringing good people with w they're following
a man again, they're not following their hearts and they're not following you know,
they're just like it was dangerous and I fell into a whole quean on
because movements like please please arrest all these best you know, it's right.
And then it's like it's like that's like I had a hope. And then
that hope was you know, shatter, like come on, you know what
he pushed out that vaccine. It was just it was crazy. Say he
goes like three shots are different companies that ye shots for eight billion people on
the Earth, And it's like and then he said, and then you have
immunity from any kind of troubled and and that's in the relationship I was in
when that happened. It's like they killed her. The whole COVID things.
Like I was in the garage. You know that there were scared there be
around me because it's just like, well I don't have it, so if
I have it, that's all I gave it to me, you know,
you know, it's all I was talking to somebody the other funniest think they've
heard. You know what, if I could smell a fart through a mask,
then I can get COVID and a mask like our last I was just
gonna say, like our last guest said, it's like setting up a chain
link fence to try to keep mosquitoes out. Exactly. I would work with
wood and stuff like that, and even would my face would be full of
wood and this where would we were the you know good mask too, and
it would go right through that mask wooden shaving to where wood dust standing and
stuff like that. So it's like that streamed at because I worked at a
dollar general here there at a small town, and h I wasn't aware of
mask because there are boss is prequel about it. It's just like I'm not
doing this, you don't have to, And and I just got yelled at,
like maybe they got like, oh my gosh, said this leech the
it is there was this heartbreaking yeah. And then you know I was like
I already told told her about my flat earth and cheated, didn't want disn't
have any part of it or anything like that, which is fine. You
know, we still got along everything like that, but it's just like that
whole COVID thing. This guy and you know, she's the professor and she
was working from home, and it's just I don't understand she was working at
everything like that. It's like when you see the person that you love with
all your heart every day and it's like and like, oh, get out
of here. You know. It's like for me, it was just like
the it's hard. It was hard, and it's just like up driving to
support. You know, it sucked. You know a couple of things I
wanted to touch on it before we went forward, was, uh so you
literally you you you were questioning nine eleven from day one. Day one right
when I saw a faut because I was taking I was taking classes where it's
like we're putting steel and spinning it super fast and were stead of going too.
So it's like I know how much force it takes to you know,
cut a piece of metal, and I know how much you know, the
heat builds up what you're you're doing the cutting, you know, and I
I know when you like, well like this this because I didn't just because
well, for example, is like when I was growing up, so we
put gas inside of a poor gas onto a fire and I was sitting the
gas was there, the the vapors out of the can. They was like,
oh, it's gonna explode, but then it's like it didn't. And
then when the persons like threw it to the body of water we were in
it like a just a and it spread all over the place. So it
was like well jet fuel, it would just splatter everywhere and then that's it
and it would burn up and then it just disappears and then whatever it burning
was left and then he inde. Even like I think it was like two
or three months after nine eleven happened, there was like a building in China
that like some fireworks site caught it on fire, like forty story building.
It burned for like three or four days. The whole thing was charred,
but the whole structure was still there. So it was just this even confirmed
it. But yeah, but I just knew that if it was something,
if it was gonna fall down, it would have fell down like tipped over
it, or it would have or the concrete say, I maybe it probably
wouldn't happened, but the weight of the concrete would have broke off of the
steel and it would have hit the next floor. But then it's like all
that stuff got rebar at it too, so it's all that steel inside the
concrete still there. And then it's just But then I figured if if it
did fall like that, even if it felt like that, then it would
be like a pile of thirty stories of just rubble like chunks. But it
turned it into powder. And they one of your guests, and I've seen
the video too, it's like that maybe that like the world traits that are
turned to dust. And I saw like another Gamera angle and you see this
big piece of steel sticking it up and add it's falling down. It's disintegrating
into dust. And you look at them all the cards and stuff, and
they're just this all this burn up, these all this these metal cars are
just burned up around the marking lots and stuff like that around there. I
s I saw a fire. I can't think it was just a California fire,
because I was watching the thing about Native Americans. It's about the wheat.
They're doing these weavings, and they showed their community that got burned up.
And then right there there's a slomming pool ladder with plastic legs, and
the whole places chart except for the slowing pool. You know, just there's
just or these steps on those things. And this it seemed like it was
very directional, like there's all these properties around them, and then if they
wanted that one going, and that's scary because then they showed like the experiments
they were doing, it's like there's this directional and through frequency. I know
that they just you can put low frequencies and high frequencies that you can't hear,
you you can, but you give feel and it's just it's really scary
to think about it because you can't see it. But they know. It's
like everything in the you know, TV radio, it's that you got a
box that can trans signal. It's it's like, you know the power of
the air. You know, I'm sure they're getting free power from everywhere.
Oh sure, hand, Yeah, it's like and like the whole thing with
the jet fuel and planes and just all that stuff. It's like when they
transfer fuel in the Army, they had this big bladder in the center of
the plane. They had to strap it down. It's like, there's no
way that all that fuel goes in those wings of the plane and it would
cause everything instability, and just saying at it like September limits, there's just
like it's flatter, and it's like there's no way. And so I was
ready with the flatter's when I saw it, I was like it made Toole
says right away, And it's bridges, trains, the flight pass, the
everything just looking at the watery. Oh yeah, they didn't have leads,
they didn't have zoom one back then that's right, so of course everything's gonna
look. It's gonna look. And then it's like then you go, oh,
why they don't they don't Why don't they do the experiments? And then
space, it's like, why don't they spend the camera around? Why don't
they put a camera on the nose of the of the rocket? Why don't
they you know? And then they start looking back and it's like like,
like I said, they're going up in a family that would just like it
was all about NASA and about rocket. My daddy went to the big with
strength to go see John Glenn go up when he was old, you know,
older, and it was like it was part as a big part of
my life. So like it just it was kind of like first the first
two days, I was just probably in my room just looking over the stuff,
and I was crying because of this. I couldn't believe it. I
could not believe that my whole I could have like why I could have done
something? I could have the possibility of their analysts. So you're a kid,
it's like because you have all that inquisitive energy and all this stuff,
you could you know, like, oh let's do this and do this,
and you're like, you know you you're playing, you're creating these worlds through
your toys or through outside and everything. And if that was you know,
it pushed to do something good, to think of what you could jump come
up with him, And I kind of reverted back to that now it's like
this, you have your mind as a child, and anything possible and anything
can be done. But no but science, which sposed to encourage, you
know, challenge, Hey anomaly should be like research instead of just hey,
it's not the way things work, and it's just it wasn't looking at the
science community, and it's it's because they don't want to. They're because they're
making the money, they're making their paycheck, they're getting paid by somebody,
and if they're told they were wrong, than it's like them that are accountable.
Yeah, all great points. And by the way, that and again,
when when you go from being dead a sleeve to being awake and you
realize that people who were once heroes in your lives are absolutely jokes. I'm
glad you met it. I'm glad you mentioned John Glenn because not only did
he turn out to be a fraud, but he was one of the Keating
five. I don't know if you remember that. He was one of the
US senators involved with the savings and Loan crisis back in the day. He
accepted this huge campaign contribution from the was it the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association?
Yep, and him I think McCain was one of the other McCain was
yep. Just uh uh, yeah, I know, it's just too much.
It's too much even like think about you know, and then the Challenger.
You know, it's like when they brought TV that to everybody's classroom.
You have to watch that thing blow up and out of all the ones that
went off, and and I'd always thought to do, it's like the dark,
you know, it's like always it's like and somebody's tried to play it
to me, but it's just like that, I just like, I don't
know, I just didn't get it. I thought it was possible, but
I just don't want to give any explanation. And then it's like the whole
you know, I forget who said it, but it's like to argue to
flatter or something. If they much to argue flight Earth with, you just
go to them and say, Okay, you can't use nassa and he can't
use gravity because gravity is a siri. And it's like, so now show
me that the world is around or a ball and doing another thing to do,
like let's bring this up. You know. I think it was twenty
nineteen when the solar eclipse went. So my my mom, my, nephew
and I we drove to a Carbondale, Illinois to watch the longest thing in
totality. So we got there and it was perfect. And the thing is,
though it right, you would think that when the moon was in front
of the sun that you would watch it go towards the Sun could either be
a shadow behind them, you know, the sun would be hitting the back
of the moon, so you would still see the big black thing covering the
sun because it's still part of the you know, it's still in front of
the sun, but you can't see it until it is until it covers the
Sun that it goes the way and it would have to go across stay straight
line instead of a curt you know, as it's like, yet look straight
across the sun because it's like if it's that perfect and its going straight across
the sun, and then it would just keep on going straight. And it
was just uh, but it's wind stopped instantly when it when it was total
black, the wind stopped instantly. And then it's like you know, like
the sound you hear you see a firework and then all of a sudden,
then you hear it. You know, if you're the farther you are,
you know, it takes longer go to get there. So when the instant,
the instant that the sun went black, all the wind and just shut
off, and it's like, well, you think that we see it first
and then we'd feel the effects of it, and it's like stuff like that
I just noticed and it's like, oh, that's interesting, you know.
But then when right when you see that speck of light, the wind started
up again, and it was just it was a miniating experience. I can't
wait to see I want to see it again. But it was. But
then after that, dude, it's a big storm and I saw it was
like the I saw a rainbow like it looked almost looked like a mountain of
clouds, but it was really low to the ground and there was like a
rainbow on top of it. There was this almost flat It was kind of
cool. And I've heard you mentioned another thing about Colorado. It's like another
When I went out there and after I was woken up, I saw the
clouds because in Iowa, the sun is on top of the clouds all the
time. But when you're on top of a mountain, you see the clouds
and he's you see some clouds in the horizon or have shadows over them.
It's like, oh, yeah, you're a different perspective. You're on the
level with the sun. So you're gonna see the sun on top of here
and then there gonna be shaded over somewhere else. It was just really weak,
no deep into all yes, and then like rainbows are bigger, the
stars are bigger, the sun the moon are bigger. It's like it's visible
leaps like how in the hell can it be that big? Then you not
be close to it? Yeah, and it's I try to describe it to
people, but I think unless you you've actually been at like five thousand plus
feet to really the sun blindness in the mornings, Oh, definitely, it's
a couple of thousand feet shouldn't make that much of a difference. And I'm
not well talking UV rays, I'm talking about the actual blinding sunlight. Yeah,
and if they dude, like when you're down on a sea level,
all like there's a filter, so like all the dust and debris by the
sunton and the mooner so big, and the sunrise and not right, there's
all this dust and stuff that filters like a camera filter alost. So then
once it gets higher, it gets smaller and brighter in terms of like the
middle turn orange on the horizon, but it will be bright white in the
in the top of the sky because there's not that filter of all that dirt.
But when you're in the mountains, you're not seeing all that dirt.
You're on the top. So it's like you're basically like a basically small gun
underneath, you know, when you're on the lower parts of the Earth,
and then when you're on the top part, there's there's not that there's not
that all that debris and dust and all the particle of smoke or whatever it's
as let's say they get do it's like the Earth. It's like you were
taught that oxygen helium or like oxygen, helium, nitrogen or the gases that
are the lightest. But when you get when a fighter pilot you have to
go up really high, he has to have oxygen, right, so he
has to have is not enough oxygen in the air. So then how can
a compound that's going to cause any ozone or atmospheric change get to get up
there when not even oxygen get up there. So then that it's like,
well, then how can there be this atmosphere quote unquote the protect the sun
when all there is this helium it on helium and hydrogen and nitrogen in the
sky. So there's so it just kind of well, you look at Los
Angeles or something. You see the fog over the city. It don't go
any higher. It's like a big cloud. So it's just old control thing,
you know, big cities. You say, oh, we're we're gonna
have enough our human populations. It's horribly gonna cause everything to go to crap.
It's like, if you're gonna living in a Chicago, you'd probably believe
it because you're all this crap and you're all it's stacked on, stacked on
people and people and people. But if you move out to the country,
there's land and land and land and land. Yep. It's like when you
flaw you notice that when you're in a plane, you realize that there's still
play off there I have out there exactly, and it's like there's been a
land. They're using all this farmland for ethanol and stuff like that, like
all that can be transferred to making food for everybody and everybody you know,
there's is, but yeah, you full, you can full. The whole
community of people was like, oh yeah, we live in a concrete jungle
with all these people. And guess what you tell people that earth is overpopulated.
And in my neighborhood, yeah, it's overpopulated. The way you can
see for fifty miles with nothing there, Like in Dollarado, it's like they're
this, my friend friend lives in this San Louis Valley where like that where
the dunes are and stuff like that, and there's like the place where you
could just it's just it's once you look at it, it's like if everybody
could just look at that and be like, they'd be like, okay again
it And then it's funny because I like the whole flood thing, the whole
biblical flood, and you look at there, you look at the United States,
they find all these diet saur bones and stuff like by the foothills of
the mountain. And then as you're going back to the Mississippi River, it's
like all that the top soil would be like that's where all if the farmway
that and down on the gulf, that's where all the oils at. That's
where all this organic debris that falls down and sits there and this and the
pressure creates by the oil and the coals left there. And then the Appalachian
Mountains that's where all the coals at because you know, a bunch of priorganic
materials set there and it's as it washed away, it is kind of sat
there and now you have the coal and just it's a big sense. Yeah,
and then there's like so I had gout. But then like you know,
like the salt flats in Utah. Yeah, so yeah, so it's
like everything dries up. I guess what you have salt and any if any
lake that doesn't have a spring, it's like eventually it's going to dry up
if there's not enough frames. It's like there's a but not just as certainly
absolutely and by the way, Salt Lake is is a great place to do
a laser test or flat Earth. Yeah exactly, that's where they do all
the speed tests and stuff like that because it's a little flat. And then
a place in South America that's like that too, and it's like you or
in Africa that if it rains, it's like that's the perfect mirror image of
I would love to see that when when you were when you first woke up
the flat Earth. But that's something you came to on your own or was
there videos books? It was the two hundred Proofs of the World of that
oh okay, after we got the world yep, And that was just the
that confirmed me. But I just like the whole uh and then it's just
but I was thinking about it. What I was like reading about the Converticus
and stuff like that and that, like it's agent civilizations and stuff, and
it's like these people great built these great monuments and be huge at the part
and not and all this stuff and like at of a hammer and chisel what
yeah, like whatever they add would mean they are these people that create these
great things that can't be the old cathedrals. You know. It was this
all this technology that they had that we don't know about, and they all
thought the world was they all and then it's like five hundred years ago,
like help, everybody's wrong, and they didn't have any experiments. It was
just that's what it is. Did you hear that little click we played at
the end of the podcast, maybe five or six shows ago. I want
to say it was from I don't know if it was a Little House on
the Prairie or one of them shows. Oh yeah, yeah, they saw
that, so I can't remember. I think it was David Weiss or that
he was interviewing this old lady and she and he's like showed her the proof
and that she just started crying, like she was like alost hundred years old.
She's like, I didn't do it. I think they doss it.
School was flat, you know, and it's like and just you know,
she just it was just it was amazing. You know. Yeah, they
were day they thought they thought that and uh and it's everything and that's what.
But I love reading old books, like I uh Donnally he wrote the
book about al at this and about the Comet about comets just called Ragnarok,
and those are really good at this kind of about so like I had this
map of the world in nineteen seventy and where they claimed like the Azores,
the Zoris islands off of Portugal, or like mountaintops, and then how Plato
describes it. And then there is map it says the Atlantis Sea mount and
this there was right there at the foot of those islands. And then it
was like, oh, that's freaking cool. You know, it's like it's
they it's there. And then you know the whole fourteen ninet two things,
so say if because but another thing I was doing every heard of the civilization
move and you uh, not off the top of my head. So it's
basically, you know, the basically like an atlantis in the Pacific Ocean and
what they describe is the Earth. It's like everything is created from like oxygen.
It's like a is the head of the catalyst there under conditions can call
like make solids, which you know if you put oxygen with tighter did it
turns into water which it can be frozen. But there's these big gas pockets
that are filling the earth, and like volcano, once they're that pressure is
gone, then everything collapses. So then the whole islands could just collapse into
the into the Earth, causing that pressure to move somewhere else to bring up
another part little time. So but if that atlantis sun and no one could
go across the Atlantic Ocean for a long time because the waters are so turbulent,
then why couldn't you know, It's like, yeah, he probably couldn't
go across it. And who knows business everything. I always question everything,
But you know, it's like it in the end, it's like only got
those the answers, and that's I went on just figured it out. I
would I want I have had that connection with God though, I've had a
dream about a bench and a few benches. One was the old, one
was new, and I was like, why would somebody put to the bench
here? And I think this old one out. This guy came out and
he says, well, people have been and sitting in front of bench,
in front of benches for a long time. And then this camera crew came
in and I was like, point myself with point away from the scene and
came where we me and if you guy. I started doing a commercial on
these cameras. A day later, a friend of mine but I knew I
had video cameras and a green screen and stuff like that. Her kids wanted
to do the story of Noah and they had a stripped and they wanted to
do this recording, and so I said, okay, we'll bringing this stuff
over there. And I had that on a Friday. She on Saturday.
On Sunday, I went there, did the whole I think with the kids,
had a great time and I hadn't been to church in a while and
she's like, you want to see a service? I was like sure,
and I walked out to the church and there the pews were the same bench
as I saw no kidding, and that pastor had just and then so that
pastor had just passed away, so there's somebody that he had saved. Was
telling my story like I don't I didn't have a family, I don't have
kids or anything like that, but the people I cared about, Like I
was drinking a lot and just being this and this is after I came to
know the flatter too, and like I just kind of felt icolate inside of
drinking and doing my own thing, and it neglecting my family, everybody real
by my mom and my nephew and just my friend, just because every everything
is selfish. Everything is selfish. And then they sell the story and it's
like if he was telling the exactly anything happened to him, And then sitting
there it felt like if but the incredible hope would feel like if he were
a change. It's like I just saw this white and I felt like I
grew inside. It sounds weird to people, but I grew inside of the
church and I was looking on everybody, and then in a flash, I
saw all the good things I've done for people, and in that instant and
then as I saw that, I shrunk down the side of the gray essay,
and it's all like the bottom of the very boy's shoes, and it's
all the bad things I have done in one moment. And then basically like
a voice in what said, I've been here though the whole time, you
know, follow my pass. And I came out of that and I in
the middle of that church. I didn't even know ay Bunny and for me
to even like go out and talk to somebody, but I was crying inconsolably
for forty five minutes. I couldn't even breathe. This thought was coming on
my nose so much, and it was just the very thought that the whole
camera, the benches, the story, it's just you don't you can't fight
to somebody that you know this whole time, you can see all this evil
going on, and you can like get past the evil things done. You
can get past all this stuff. But then and then, or how gradual
that Lucifer can can they keep pushing you and you can fight it and you
know and live, and then there's at one moment where God that touches you
and it's like the whole thing changes, and I was like, well,
I know what, I just no matter what people think about what I think.
I'm still gonna say it, but I'm not going to take any emotions
about it. I was going to try to observe what's going on in my
life in the moment where I'm at and just experienced that moment and look for
the look for the right path to it there and if you pay attention to
it, then you'll start seeing all these coincidences they quote unquote coincidences. It's
like, there's no way this could happen, no way, you know it
just and there's a bad yes, And I think we had that split personality,
had a demon inside of us, and we had you know, the
spirit and you have to know for sure you need to get everybody that everybody
has been born again, had that moment where this like whoa, I's got
touched. Yeah, and it's amazing it is. And how far I should
say, how soon after that did you connect the dots with flat Earth?
Well? I was already got on it, because that's why I kind of
went down in a dark spot like a verybody just kind of abandoned me.
So I was just coping with it. I was in a band. I
had like these like goal I just just I'm a very exquisitive person. And
when I get into something, I like go all the way, like you
a banded by all the quartering equipment, about the instruments, and then for
my friends and just we just wanted it, make it, and then bought
electronic equipment and started watching YouTube and started buying books and then just eventually bought
or would go on marketplace and get a bunch of broken electronics and start fixing
them and just do that. But it just once, n once that flatter
thing or the line you don't cross it, you know, you and h
But this is actually the first conversation where I've had like actually a two way
I'm I'm talking a lot because it's been you know, ten twelve years since
you know, they have one conversation about it and not have somebody just deny
you or look at you like you have three eyes. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Yeah, it's nice to talk and have something to sit at the
other end for more. Yeah, likewise in an hour now and though it
doesn't seem like I've been talking about an hour and you've said like three things,
I think, No, it's cool. I'm spoiled. I get to
I get to have these convert stations, you know, two or three times
a week. So I know you're so lucky. I'm saying when first heart,
because I found your podcast and I was just like, this guy is
lucky person in the world. And I love it and I think that,
you know, anybody listens to it like this, it's amazing and it's now
being on it and it's just I just because you it's a great therapy.
It's great, you know, like I've heard that I call it a ministry,
but to uh, to testify what you've gone through and then it's like,
wow, there's other people out there. They're going through it too.
Yeah, and it's just and it's like you've felt all. It's like you
know, when you bring people on that have gone through it, and it's
very really connects. Some people listen to it because it's just it's just it
fills your heart because it makes you feel you know, it wan't empowered because
there's like there's other people, but it also and breaks your heart because you
feel their pain because you know you've gone through it. It's just like you
know, and and everybody that's been odd, it's great, you know,
they've been very Yeah, it's just you have lots of great people. You
go, you be on the show, and I love the platform. Just
so thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate it. It's it's been a it's been a real
treat to meet all these people. I wanted to ask you, going back
to your you'd mentioned about your dream. Should we pay more attention to our
dreams? Definitely? And uh, I mean I had the one time I
had a dream about a recreating dream about this house. And when I met
my second ex wife, should have looked. I had these horrific dreams in
this house. And when I came to this towel to meet her for the
first secause I knew her brother and I was helping our six her house and
I saw the house. I went around, looked out of the abandoned and
didn't say anything and they Then two weeks later I went back to uh help
out with the house again, and the house was gone and it when grass
was growing. It was me three weeks it was grass is growing over it
and everything, and I just drove by it and then covering the house.
About three months later, my ass still my friend, I was like,
was there a old rickety Elstare. He's like, oh, yeah, they
burned it down the day after that you showed up. So then like I
was like, oh cool. You know, so I was like I don't
know if that was the same thing. Oh, but I looked back like
maybe I shouldn't should this old this house was horrible. And then I went
through a horrible sperience with her, so horrible and this guy league, Oh
man, I shouldn't have paid that to my dreams. And I just had
to dream recently like these people that I my by having just loved for them,
and I was like, I know they don't love me anymore, don't
care for a bold friends and you know, girl send the stuff and and
they all have prisoner and my dream, you know. And then I kept
on trying to escape and I kept bringing you gut bringing me back, and
so you know, you'll there, you know, there's the signs, and
that's you know, if these connections and they have and they know that they
need to breaks, but it's so hard for me to break off from something
you care about, even though when they have no thought of you. It's
yeah, I think we should pay a touch our dreams. And when I
was like getting stuff. I did not have dreams, but when you know,
when you're sober and mine like, I have dreams, and it'd be
nice, you know, it's it's nice to memorize it or realize what you're
going through. But I think that's a that's the time that you're called.
You have no distraction, so that it's like it's easy for God to come
and say, hey, here you go. You know, I sure have
had a lot of dreams. I've had a lot of dreams the last two
three months that I was back in the army. But it wasn't like me
when I was twenty five or thirty. It was like me today being in
the army. And it's been like for two or three months straight. I'm
starting to get a little worried. I don't know if it's just because like
on my other podcast, you know, I cover a lot of the Ukraine,
Russian thing or or whatever. It's just told. I was telling my
wife, I was like, this dream is like every other night, and
it actually before the I don't remember how long before the I realized the world
was flat? Huh was I had? I had a dream it was like
an apocalyptic dream kind I was like on the looking out my child at home
and I saw the sun and then the sun just started crashing into the earth
over and over again, and then it was breaking the world in front of
me. And it's like it was everything was falling apart. And I look
back, you know, and it like, oh, was he you know,
was that dreams? And then I wouldn't say it was not too long
after that. It's like then I like saw that video and I was like,
oh, oh my gosh. It's like, was this was somebody telling
you? He's telling me? He is that, you know, like my
world is good to shatter and the world the sun and it's like, you
know, it's right there and there's this guy. Cool. I love dreams,
even the horrible ones. Yeah. I know a couple of people who
every morning that if they have a dream, they write the dream down they
have you know, it's for years about that. What's not Oh, donnosaurs,
What do your take? Donnosaurs? Great beast, preflood, nephilim?
What are your thoughts? So? All right? The Book of Enoch and
stuff like that. I so like when you read in Genesis where they go
through the people, it's like it says Enoch, the one that walked with
God. You know. Then there's a story with Enoch and God. You
know, so it's it's it concords with the Bible. It says walks walks
with God. And then you have this story of Enoch where he's walks with
God and he shows him. You know. It's it's like I I believe,
I said, I believe that. So I believe that Lucifer is a
creator of physical out of the spirit, you know, So like the earth
is created by Lucifer. God assigned him this and and so. But basically
building prison. Because then Lucifer goes, well, I created all this stuff,
so I should be the one being worshiped. I should be God.
So then he says, okay, let's go and take over God. And
if here's where there's the angels are sent. And then at the big Genesis
one, it said the eloheam if if you this is great program called estward
and basically it'll he'll give the scripture and they'll have the old Hebrew words where
it was written in and it will give you the to beat the meaning of
the word. And the Genesis wanted it's God was Elohim, which is plural,
and it says, uh, make it. So there we are made
in its, in its light, in God's likeness. So I believe that
there was the first human that's created by Lucifer, and then Genesis too.
It was God creates guard and invited, so that then guard the guarden need
and the serpent and everything, and then the serpent and we can enable like
and I can't remember the name of the but there's like the first four books
of the Bible, but it predates the first four books, and about it's
I can't remember the book though, it's I guess they used to teach it
in Hebrew. And it says, I have barren bore a child of God,
and then uh. And then then it said, then conceived the son
of Adam. And Adams. So when they create created Adam, sorry,
go back, so they create Adam. It said that we are made from
the clay, So Adam was made by the Lord God and an in earth
so too, and then basically to corrupt to interject the angels that turned to
humans. And then that kind of gives us our duality like our angel and
demon, because we were created from the angels that had left God. And
then actual God, so like we're part of the earth and part of the
spirit. And then that was so then when thinking we're too bad the flood,
I just think that I don't know about great men or out but the
because it's sorry, you know, they see these picture the skeletons to make
skeleton and stuff like that and stories and it's I don't know, I can't
it's it's I'm just it's such a big skeptic. I can only only feeling
now. It's like get anything now, it's just photoshopped and wherever, and
it's just unless thousands of people have observed it. But my opinion is there's
the flood was take took like no one was like the most pure form of
the atom that God created. So it's like, okay, I want to
make the rest of the people come from that. And then the flood happened.
And I believe that like in the middle of the ocean separates, water
under the earth split up, the heavens went and there was this deluge and
then everything got washed away. And I do believe all that. I do
believe that probably the definite level, like there worthy the the angels that created
themselves here on the earth, in the physical form. It's it's I can
I believe what what are your thoughts on? But we'll use the word controllers.
That the people at the top of the food chain here that are let's
say, that are in direct communications with with Satan. Do you think they
are of a bloodline or or what do they have in common? I do
believe that there is a bloodline, but I think that bloodline is because you
know, they you have a secret and if it ever got out, well,
I think they're told that there's somebody there that knows there's a direct card
Lucifer, and this is it cannot be known to anyone. So they are
here the print of the power of the air, you know. So here,
here you go. Here's all this. You're here that you can communicate
with everybody. I started thinking about like the religions of the world, you
know, like the Buddhists and everybody's searching for the light, you know,
the Masons they believe, you know, that Lucifer the light bringer, and
everybody's starts searching for enlightenment and all this stuff, and they want to go
and see the light and God and Lucifer is the god of the light,
you know. The light Bringer, the Bringer, and it's Christianity is the
only religion where you don't have to have a guru. You don't have to
like it's like, oh you have to have a teacher, you have to
have this. It's like it's all right there. And and you just said,
you know, I'm that you don't see this because they don't have the
eyes to see it. But the person that had said and knows that the
lords who he is is we'll see it. You know. It's the biggest
love and sacrifice said God said, Okay, I'm gonna create myself as a
human to go through this torture to show you, you know, that I'm
here and tell us how great we are, and tell us that to see
Him within ourselves first before going following somebody else, follow yourself, you know,
if let's search for God inside and he'll present yourself to you and just
and then to create yourself and to die human death too. You know that
I think being if you were to go and say I'm gonna walk with God
and you know, go through all these and confront all everybody. You know,
Jesus was not peaceful. He was just he confronted everything that was going
wrong, and then he would say, well, why are you doing this?
Why are you doing this? Did everybody? And then he's like,
when you know, why are you why do you call me god? You
don't do the things I do. And then after all that, I said,
okay, I'm going to die for you and you know, and go
through this torture. You know we could. It's a capice well to think
about doing that and being you know, and just knowing it. It's I
that's that's love for humanity and it's uh, it's it's beautiful and to like,
I know, it's religion. It's like you have to get a teacher
at a uru and you've had to basically be a slave and give give your
gold and give all your treasures to them to learn to learn the path or
you know, you know, all these religions that you have to you have
to submit and and then think Christy Eddie, I don't think it's my choice.
I think that you know, Catholics wanted to stop of everybody from having
it is this uh, but it got out. It's their words there and
you know, there's you know, it says that you'll see the light and
stuff. But Jesus is called the truth, not the light now the loves
in the way, and I believe so it's just pretty cools. Yeah,
I'm glad you mentioned that because we talk a lot about symbolism and many people
don't understand the actual meaning behind the statue of liberty. Oh yeah, that
stuff. It's a great thing. And this thing give the language words a
sword with the s at the end. You know, look what they use
and langua spelling the casting and spelled pursive curse. You know, come on,
they know. It's like they're they're pushing this out. It's all there.
It's all us for to absorb us and it's two and you know,
all these profits and these people that they are, these great thinkers, it
seems like they're always in a cave. You know, they have these revelations
in a cave. And that's how you're by a casion is a trailer where
you're sitting alone and in the middle of the night going why you know?
And and then you find out why you know. It's like you know,
and it's like and it's like the whole Vatican and you talk about I think,
but in the United States is there is no statues of we were creating.
This whole country is created off God, right, and there's no statues
of Jesus that they'll have Apollo and all these Greek gods and all this stuff
in these statues around and they're saying, well, that's okay, but you
put it, you put a statue of Jesus up. It's like, I
don't know, it's just it's insane, and it's you know, and the
reason why there's Christians here is because the Acquisition. You know, if you're
a Protestant or you know, you weren't Catholic, you're going to die.
So say, there were turbulent waters across at Lantin Ghost and people said,
hell with this, we're going we don't care if the world's gonna we're gonna
fall off the edge of the world or whatever whenever they believed. But they
went to go across an endless ocean. That what all they knew, and
to get away from that, that torture and they create. You know,
it's just and it's it's amazing to me too. It is this before there
was the Thirteenth Colony, then before we went out west and you know,
just decimated the American tribes. We had to get along with them, because
we would have been you know, chilled right off the from the beginning.
So there was you know, we were friends with these people, and then
you know, the system came and became too big, and now it's it's
our turn. We're gonna I always thought it was funny. Then we became
friends with our Oliver and immusly tried after you know, fought us home.
Isn't that amazing? I talk about that all the time. With World War
Two, the day of the war, d Russia goes on to be our
worst enemy, and then the whole thing about World War One and World War
two is just complete trash, and I know, so funny, and it's
you know, even when we did it to Germany because like World one,
of Germany was decimated. They didn't start the war, but they were blamed
for it, and they took all their They took land, they took you
know, and they took their money from the south to the south, and
then in the east they took wayAnd and gave it to Poland. And and
the Polish people they're they're not care about Germans and you know, so they're
taking all this stuff. So guess what Germany said guess well, we're gonna
build their country from the inside. And they were they were they're kind of
they were prosperous, you know, and uh, yeah, we destroyed the
countries Germany or Germany and Japan, and then guess what, we brought our
people in there to freaking and then they brought up their great psychologists and all
their social engineers and brought them over here to and all their rocket scientists and
to come over here to do the same thing. You know, there's like
just you know, I'm I don't know it literally anything like that. But
it seemed like there's I don't know, I just I really don't know.
I spec but if the country was going to the socialist way and they actually
were, you know, they're working to build up Germany, it was actually
a beautiful thing. So I think that maybe that's what when it started to
be you're like, oh wow, everybody can do this. Then they had
to freget start of war, ye, you know, to stop it,
you know. And then if people are like, well, why you know
Germany or Germany wanted to take over Russia, it's like, well, I
see, it's like Germany attacked Russia because I guess what, Germany doesn't attack
Russia and Russia was working in this show. Everybody be talving this, I'll
tell you. I think people were a little worried about their knowledge that they
went from being dead broke from uh what was the before national socialism, the
one Weimar Republic you know, yeah, yeah, they completely collapsed the government
and their morals as well, but that they were afraid because they went they
rose quickly and they had technology. And then of course there's new Swabia.
How did they go for me and dead broke to having bases in Antarctica?
So a lot of yea, and they're all together too, they all were
working together. Yeah, yeah, I know, because they're they're all starving
and said, you know, people are dieing in the streets and they're they're
and people were actually starving. And then I saw like videos of like French
soldiers going to Germans that's slapping them in the face, you know, just
like freeding like and then and then Polish people they were like taking the Germans
crops and they're like, hey, we want our people back, just give
us our people back. And then Austria wanted to join it up with Germany
because they saw how good they were doing. They're like, dag, you're
not in the world community, says the country. You cannot do something that
they want to do. Like Austry wanted to join back up with Germany and
they wouldn't let him do it. It's just like it just seems crazy.
But you know the other thing that the Switzerland, it's like, oh,
you can't it. Switzerland's always neutral ball Yeah, it's like, yeah,
I think they got all the money. They wonder why they're neutral. It's
like you can't just going in the place of funding everything. Yeah, that
that is uh, there's a deep, deep evil about Switzerland. Oh,
I know, it's it's weird. It's crazy. Nobody want to dive into
that. It's like, but going back on Old War two. You know
something that has not taught very often in our schools. If you ask anybody
what's executive order in ninety sixty six, you get a dare in the headlight
looks. But we had concentration camps here right here in the United States Executive
order in nine zero six six and car serrated over one hundred and twenty five
thousand people here in the United States. Yeah, Jeb, Yeah, they'd
been around enough Japanese, you know, like yeah, it's like exactly and
uh, it's crazy, yeah, but it's everything. And then you know
with Japan is this I think that was kind of a Jesuit thing too,
because they were like a ban on you know, anybody from the Catholic to
any Caucasian. I don't think anybody could go to Japan. And then they
basically crash their economy and the freaking they're living on an island. They need
to have, you know, the things that they need. And it's like
they got said, hey, you're four, start hand and that. Yeah,
they had a y under Marshall Law for several years as well. Yeah,
just just yeah, you start looking at this stuff. And the whole
thing with the Jews too. It's like in nineteen thirty three there was an
agreement that the Hitler or thirty three, but it's like they were sending people
to Palestine too. They take all them. It's like, okay, you
want out of the country, We'll get you out of the country. Well,
do you have all your money and we'll we'll send you down to Palestine.
You know, they're already building it their settlements there too, you know,
they knew it was coming. They were already there, you know.
So it's like when Germany, when Israel is ready to become a country,
they're already over and they're just you know, build srimaging all the what what
the what are they stole from all the other countries that and then it's like,
okay, we're building up, and it's like, why would you if
you're gonna kill and kill all the basket and all these twos, and why
would you take send them with all their money down there? Uh you know,
five years previous and uh and you know, you know, it's like
it's harder just you know say that. You know, the called cost is
that it didn't exist, but you can make ten thousand people look like tricking
six million. Yeah that was the viral grammt. Yeah okay. And then
another thing about the whole, like the glovid thing, it's like you look
start looking at like the death rate of the you know, the United States
deaths, and they have they all had a number. It's like, okay,
this many people died this year, and it's many people died this year.
Then all of a sudden, I was like, why white people died
this year? And then it was like you go to the CDC and there
were just like whole freaking two page try try about how the numbers don't add
up or like how they you can't go buy these numbers anymore, and blah
blah blah. And I started looking at the flu statistics. It's like,
okay, there is UH. I want to say, like say tottered twenty
five billion people were hot or utter, twenty five thousand to two hundred fifty
thousand people were hospitalized by the and then like twelve thousand to seventy five thousand
that's that's that was their statistic in the CDC that for one year, I
say twenty twenty nineteen twelve people twelve thousand people or seventy five thousand people had
the flu and died. It's like how how how good do you keep your
record? Do you have that big of a discrepancy of who died from the
flu? You know? Just uh? And then when you have a few
are looking at the death rates of uh, Like I look at the death
rates in Germany. It's like you think that all these people who have been
dying, They're like there wasn't that many people that there wasn't that of a
different Yeah, but there War two sucked because like, uh, like the
British and the Americans, they like would bomb at night and they like destroyed
whole towns. There's a city of one hundred and fifty thousand people and it's
just and all night long, this bomb and bomb, bomb, bomb,
and there's like places where that you have celebrations every year, and you always
see a War two. You'd never see a freaking germanist story and tell a
story. Always see it's his story, the winners. Yeah, story exactly
where you get the foils, you know, so they can tell everybody else
shitty you were sorry. Yeah, Now it's funny you mentioned that because when
you talk about the COVID numbers, because George Floyd they tested him in his
autopsy, he had COVID. You had stories of guys, you know,
getting dying in motorcycle accidents they chalked. They throw in that COVID number.
They a number. You got money for it too. Yeah, so yeah,
they know how to manipulate the numbers for sure. I had a couple
of questions. I wanted to get back to this. At what point did
you look at the Apollo missions before Flat Earth or was that something you came
to question after Flat Earth? I was. I always questioned re entry and
I always questioned like this, uh as I know that oxygen is needed to
like have it. So it is I just as either they're damn geniuses or
something kind of was that we're told Because how do you shoot somebody to the
moon without having any kind of propulsion and land and get back up in the
air. The whole is a like, so you have to have oxygen to
have a fire, DAVI spark, and that's all we had. And oh
another thing, I mean, I was in communication. I used to work
for radio station and they're transmitters are huge just to make it freaking you know,
of fifteen mile radius, you know. So it's like they're talking to
Nixon on the phone and they have how they build a transmitter on they build
a transmitter on the moon. They have bounced around and they're sitting there with
this technology, like with tube technology probably had solid state with it. They
had probably you know, a transmitter with a probably a tube radio. So
like, how in the hell would they have this big, huge thing that
would go all the way and hit the Earth, you know, and be
able to communicate from Earth to the wing and he can't, you know.
And these have these even in in two thousands, like an FM transmitter or
AM transmitter that's for a radio station. They're huge, they're big rooms with
all this equipment to push it push a signal. And then that's the thing.
But that and then also I was doing a satellite installations and they all
get pointed into a tower and it's like all this afterwards, but they have
pol missions and just as just watching and I can't remember because I haven't like
that's all. That's like out of my mind. But I think it's like
when then they watched show that the freaking the sitting landing in a different camera
angle or something like that, and it accounts they held I don't know,
I can't remember that far, but it's like was there a camera already there
when they were watching the land Benjamin did a thing recently where he did a
tribute to the fourth guy who went to the moon. He was the cameraman
they left the Yeah, and then and then it's like you think about it,
they spent all this money and all these like rockets, experiments and people
dying and stuff like that, and they went a couple of times and grab
some rocks, and then it's just like, sorry for swearing. It is,
screw it, We're not gonna We're not gonna go no more swear tar
Yep, yeah, I got a corn swears. It's uh, we're not
gonna go where's it. We've spent all this money. Now we're not gonna
go there anymore. Right, And it's like it's so what was the purpose
as on It's like, yep, it's there. We walked on it and
walked in, okay. And then then then in the future hearing somebody's like,
oh, we can't because of the Van Allen Belts, he can't do
this, and then they give then they give the calculations of the van Ellen
Belts. And there's no material in the world that doesn't have a melting point
over what that radiation will do. So it's like every strongest material would melt
through the right Ellen milts. Yet in nineteen sixty you know, it's sixty
nine, we went there and back again. But well, and then it's
like they're and I went to the museum to see this the castle, if
they if they this is what they went it in and uh yeah, and
just make something look all. I don't know, it's just it's a launch
chair and aluminum foil. That's legit, right, yeah, exactly. Didn't
think it look all weird stuff. It's it's futuristic. Put a bunch of
gold foil on it. I always tell people I remember talking to my dad
when he was in Germany and about the mid eighties and then being like a
two or three second to lay and that was just from here to Germany.
Yeah, you know that's what is that three fourth thousand, maybe five thousand
miles away? And this is supposedly, you know, two hundred and thirty
nine thousand. Just the whole thing is just haffable. And that brings me
to my next question. You know you were angry after you woke up,
but did you because I felt this is me. I felt a bit a
bit silly. I started thinking about, well, I've never felt motion,
and they say, well, it's constant motion, so you'll never feel it.
Well, okay, if we're moving at sixty seven thousand miles an hour,
should we at least be feeling wind and everything else that goes along with
heliocentrism. Did you think of those things when you kind of came to oh,
definitely. Yeah, it just was I was I think, was it
really angry? I was just said and I was just like I just couldn't
believe I was sold, you know, I just and it was just it
was It's added me because it's like now I know that every person afterward,
every person that's going to a school, every person that's you know, there's
I keep on and I know I know every person that's going through school,
it's gonna be going to this stuff, you know. And then uh,
but yeah, I always thought about that, like it's it ever really cool.
It's just like, right, you're riding in a car and it's like
you're going fast, but you don't feel it. In a car. It's
like I feel bumped. I feel the way it hit my face. I
feel like I you know, when I stop, I feel with the stop,
I feel the acceleration. I don't like, you know, I'm going
to constant feed, but it's like I still feel everything, and yeah,
the whole the But yeah, then when I said when the the e cliffs
happened, you know, in the wind, it's like so boom, whether
the sun has gone, the wind stopped, it was just I couldn't explain
that. And then like you said, the tides and everything like that.
But it's like I think it's like everything is kind of like the like a
breath of the years, like the Earth's like will breeze and it's like it's
like a vibration or or maybe like because the same thing with the South Bowl
the North Bowl. You can't go to the North Bowl either. And it's
like when Birds said, it's like, uh, that article is a mountain
of ice. It's ten thousand feet tall, and then the and then and
the yoke. There's a ten thousand foot ocean in the top of the years,
so I just freezes every year. I thought that was the coolest thing
though, because like when I found out the filer, then I saw how
it worked. It's like that it makes toole sense because then North Pole it
starts, you know that there's twenty four hours of light, so it starts
finning at the top, and then it gets bigger and bigger. You know,
the arc gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and we're just in this
big mud puddle. And if if there was indo extraterrest rules or aliens and
stuff like that, it's say, if you flew five thousand miles through the
ice and all of a sudden there's another sun and there's another bud puddle with
another soilization on it of her, but the whole duke and the freaking the
atmosphere and stuff like that. Back then, another thing was interesting was I
saw like a space X crash and just looked like it was skitty off the
firmament. They like they made it. They we we know this there,
and we're just like, shoot, we went too far, because it's like
it seemed like it was kidding on top and then it blew up and about
it. But I also think that stuff too is like all CGL. Had
a friend that did computer graphics and then I had big seenakes rocket, the
biggest rocket that goes up in the sky, and I look at it and
I was like, don't freaking that CG. And I showed my friend because
I talked Flat Earth's on seven and I go, okay, you tell me
this is not CG. And he starts watching it with me, and I
get a seat in his eye. It starts going, starts looking down and
it's like I have to mention it like that. Yeah, it's like I
do PG and then you know, and I was taking too with the but
they the rockets land, it's like they they had to put it on a
ship and they put a camera on the ship. It's like, why not
put a ship away from it and watch it land from a different boat.
Why do you have to put the camera on the same boat the same shot
And it's like and it's like, oh, it distorted or it broke up
and then you couldn't see it. And it's like, oh, you have
some camera vale functions just at the landing, but there it is now.
But it's like, okay, it takes that much thrust to take a rocket
into space, but then when you drop it back down you would have to
have I don't even know how much more of thrust you would closet crater in
the ground would think to be able to slow down, especially coming back to
Earth. Yeah, they're falls free fall speed, and then you have to
freaking yip and you had to you know, as you're moving down as you
know, that's how heavy that it is. And then you have to to
get it to come back up. And there's there's magical parachutes that slows it
ten Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and then the whole thing was like this.
I always wondered why they wouldn't stick in a camera and then like to
know that the rocket, you know, and watch it go into stays like
most ingenious Ponzi scheme. Ever, it's not a genius though. It's so
stupid. It's like if you look at it's like duh, why you're usually
shoot a bottle of rocket at the moon and make it make it there out
It's like there's no technology and rocket it's like, oh, rocket technology.
It's like it's a taking gas with the freaking you know, just light of
fires. Like I've shot rockets off before. It's like they're very primitive,
the biggest, the more fuel you have or the more agent you have,
the higher you get to go. And then I started, you know,
and then I was watching this Spacebusters. He's good. I think he's talking
about all the documents and nascid armoring documents of rocket trajectory, and they all
say assume a non rotating flatters all of them, every single one of them.
And it's like anything I had to do with rocket trajectory and it's just
well, yeah, like all they all say that. Another interesting thing about
feel Spacebusters is like he's talking about the Belfries and houses like in Europe and
then in the eastern United States, and then he's like, why are there
belfries and there's no belts, you know, these female bilties, there's Belfries.
And he's like, well, maybe people were like floating around on glimps
and stuff. And he's like proposed, It's like, you know, because
if you look at the old pictures, it looks like there's always constant gray
and there's no like it's like there's no it doesn't seem like there's any clouds
in the sky ever. It's always just it seems like it's haze. But
they get things clear pictured, but there's the sky blacked out. And he
was like proposing that like these Belfriese were places where people could have their blimps
and you basically fit a fan on a bicycle and just fly wherever you want
and then drop a rope and there you are travel. And then then the
Hinderburg happened, and guess what, no one could have a blimp anymore.
You know, just show show everybody that this is why you can't have one.
Oh the human yeah, oh may yeah, exactly, oh, they
yes. Wait and then these shows the video of the kiddiehowg and then there
are people like sposedly the first flight ever, and then it feels walk around,
talk to him, you add whatever see this before? Yeah you have
one. You have one Zeppelin accident. They shut down the industry. But
how many airplane accidents that way? At exactly? People were jumping off cliffs
with the freaking wings? Yeah? Absolutely? Oh, I don't know.
It's like I heard you say about the lead paint. I thought that was
amazing, and I was like thinking, because I'm a fisher, I grew
a fishing, and it's like lead weights, lady split shot waits. They
squeeze them on your line, yep. So I always put those in my
mouth and bite on them. So it's like if those I mean, everybody
does, everybody I know that fishes does, And I think, why wouldn't
they ban that? Why would they have to by on lead paint? And
then you start thinking it's like, well they stop X rays with lead,
you know, so if there was any kind of frequency that they're pushing it
onto you as like well, kids have been not its like I don't I
mean, I don't I didn't drove it back then. But how many kids
eat paint chips, you know, and how much really lead? If I
can, you know, eat a piece of lit chew a piece of lead
and uh to put to fish and and this they're gonna let a kid to
sit there in a room full of paint chips and let him just show down.
You know. It was amazing, But then it get but people will
say, well, guess let they were lead pipes too. You know,
your waters going through lead pipes, you gotta get came through that. I
don't know, I thought that was pretty I was looking on that, but
it takes total sense if there was if anything to a block frequency or block
any kind of X ray or anything like that, it's like it's gonna be
lead. So yeah, there was stories of the gangsters and the sixties,
you know, from the thirties through the sixties in Chicago, New York,
that they would have their safe rooms lined with lead paint, that would use
it because they knew they couldn't listen through. And I guess finally the the
FBI called the CDC and said, hey, isn't isn't lead bad for people?
I think it was the late seventies when the CDC came out and said
no more. But yeah, there's a reason for everything, even the most
minute things like that. Yeah, but if they they don't, they will
by lead wait for fishin exactly exactly, Yeah, why why would Yeah,
they're inter tackle blog. They're like, you know, that's another thing.
I have a conspiracy on two. Like I don't know if they were to
saw this, but they tell you not to eat fish, right, but
they have like Omega three that's like help for your brain. Okay, you
don't, you don't eat so many fish or you're gonna get mercury or whatever,
right, yeah, whatever, But it's like they have this, but
all the others mercury that'll kill you. And then they have but they have
this h well maybe a three amedio acid that it's like helps your brain.
So it's like, okay, you don't eat so much fish and if you
don't, so it's I kind of could a tribute. Well. And I
grew up in the country. I grew up on well water. I was
not floor rated, fluoride ated, I guess floridated and made a lot of
finish. I don't know, maybe uh. Also, you know, I
was just my mom. She lives in my child the childhood oh I grew
up in and uh, they just like dug the well deeper. So they
were sixty feet down and then there were certain the water was going down.
They went down another hundred foot and I just like this the thing that's what's
under the earth. It's just crazy, Like I would love this big a
hole and just see what like right there, you know how like these lakes
underneath the water. I would love to see something like that. It's like
to go one hundred and eighty foot underneath the ground and buying fresh water.
Yeah, it's amazing and it was cool. It's just just all this unknown
stuff. I love it. I love it. I love thinking about it.
And you know it's just I don't see anybody waking up. I wish
him so they're the one channel that was just wake up one, wake up
the world. But I'll ways stay in my mystery and just you know,
do my thing and everything. But I wish I espasically would get together.
I wish people would care about people more. And it's just just watch how
people treat other people. You know that this I always I don't know,
it's like, you know what you share about hitchhiker ears that are going to
kill you, It's like, no, it's usually one guy walking because his
car broke down and something like that. So I do check people, like
make sure they lift their waistbands up because they didn't, you know, but
I always you have somebody, are right, it's like you see him walking
on a cold winner. But that when you grew up in the rural area,
it's like you know what it's like when you're fat, you have tired
and you have to walk five miles you know, to go anywhere. And
those cell phone so you see something and you have concipency for them. And
then also you live in a rural community where you know, houses are half
a mile to a mile apart. It's like so to have a friend in
the area, it's not you're usually were. If you have a problem,
you can't just you had to drive. You know, are biggest The biggest
city near us was a good musguine. You had to drive forty or twenty
five miles or so. It's a half an hour drive to do anything.
So it's like you kind of so if you have a problem, you fix
it. So you start fighting practical ways, so you start looking at things
that in a different way. It's like where where does it start? Where
does it end? You know where? Kind so I had to fix anything
or so it's like you start having common sense and you start thinking on your
own and you've being and so you just kind of it's just it's a way
of thinking. But uh what everything he give it to you? And I
you know, I was at when I had a good job at beginning of
I was like mid twenties, and you know, I hired people who do
plumbing and stuff like that for me, and it's like just just thinking.
It was like, oh everything is they can do it. I don't know
how to do it. I saw the sire or something and do it.
And it's you look around. I think, man, I can could have
done this myself. Could have done this myself and this, uh yeah,
it's not that hard. And just like, oh, I love what watching
Uh sorry but he went jumping around, But I love watching these science shows
and they teach you eighth grade science on all these shows. And then they
started talking about what happened like billions of years ago on the Earth and listen
to how I types to go. It's like it's bliss see Wick you get
him believe this time, you know it's yeah, and much of that stuff
you can wed. Me and my daughter we did a home made barometer this
week. She she knows men to think points down, it's gonna rain.
It's really cool. You can do this stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's
it's not that hard. It's it's a it's like maths. It's who created
mass, we did you know, so of course they could make any uh
equation, make your work. But it's like, oh, it's all mass.
And I love the freaking like the Bill Knight of Science Guy and the
freaking and Neil de grass tysons. I don't even have degreason thing. And
then it's said everybody there talking ahead and it's like this, it's just,
uh, it makes me sick even listen to him. It's just they're actors.
Elon Musk is an actor. They're all actors. There is charismatic people.
And then you know, the other thing about the whole conspiracy stuff is
like I used to listen to Alex Jones and he like would and he would
like no Flatters. I listen to Flatters. I ain't listening to nobody about
that. It's like if you call your show inful words and then it was
like uh, but then that's all a h. This is kind of the
like the flatter thing. I didn't really think that everybody was in. I
don't know, I just like like, but I can't it really explained,
what's say, how bad it was. So it's like so Macway Alex Jones
started, he went to this thing, he had a press pass and it's
cop comes up to him and he's like, oh, are you with CNN.
He's like, no, it's if a wars blah blah blah. And
then he goes and he said, well, it was some of your your
press pass and then you go, oh, you're yeah, you're a dead
turner. So it's like they put these people to to totally divide us.
It's like Obama and Trump, you know, it's like they get Obama that
has all these views that just pushes everybody in this one way, and then
Trump has all these views and pushes everybody. And the more they polarize,
you are and it's just like this, it's like it's just there. It's
it's really good now, you know. It's like they're people are so emotional
based and this Uh, they don't. They just listen to what somebody says
this because they're on the television. It's more that than anytime. And just
like what the show network or the movie network. Have you seen that?
Oh of course it's a class. I love that. I love that's how
the speech there, Yeah, I know yeah. And then it's like yeah
that well all the speeches, you know, like you forget said that.
And then he the guy that pulls him into the fucking board that Twitter pulls
him into the boardroom and he's like, oh, you know, we all
pull out our spreadsheets and blah blah blah, but I'm by Juke Pott and
the A T and T and this and this and and he's like, well,
I saw the face of God. And he's like, yo, you
might have you know, like the CEO like yeah, you might have Solt,
but just in me, it's just like, oh, it's just that,
and that's what happens. You know. You're just you're you have that
you know the truth and you want to tell it out and say that everybody.
Just yeah, that's that's an effic segue to We're coming up on the
time here. But I do have one more question. You kind of answered
it already, but before I give you the last word, is there a
way that we can break the matrix? I know you kind of mentioned that
people need to stop falling for the divide and conquer stuff with the fake politics
and everything else, But any other thoughts on that, live in your present
moment, live you know, be observed in your present moment, and h
just looking into every situation with the open mind and just and really have kind
have compassion for everybody. Have compassion for every person that's here, because everybody's
gone through their own struggles to make them do the things that they do,
and they have forgiveness too. And because if you're born of the parents of
somebody that is something bad to you, you you went to the exact life
sequence, but you would if you are them, you would have done the
same thing. So realize that it's because you are a certain way, It
doesn't mean that you that everybody will be. And just let and people will
find out in their own time and if it's not meant to be. I
was like, I don't think I wasn't a band and I didn't like having
lyrics, and I mean that because I had no message except for really be
yourself, and I think that's the only thing, to be yourself and have
compassion and love for everybody like their yourself, and you just don't try to
live without fear and just look at the things that you see in front of
your eyes. Right at this moment with this mottle. Right now, I'm
in a room from a computer talking to George and it eventually it will be
broadcast everybody. But just I'm I'm fully in by moment and you will see
things that you don't you can't believe, don't you know, don't listen this
feel your insight and I don't know. I just individuality is very important to
me. But it's like just the love for everybody and everything, and just
about it. You said two very important things that may seem trivial to some
people. But you said living in the present moment. Many of us live
in the past, are worried about tomorrow that we don't understand that we can
make a difference in the right now, what we're going right now. We're
worried about the past for the future, and make your decisions at the time
that they're they present to you. Because if you are worrying about it's like
the present will never or the fat or the future will ever be here in
the bastil it's already gone, so you cannot be affected except for right now.
So if you make your decisions off of that bay value feel and because
we're playing in the future, can make all these plans and you're worried about
this and this, and then when that decision comes and you just surely screw
it up anyway, So why why was what was us planning for this?
And if you are have something on your mind, like having a conversation with
somebody, just to watch somebody look at the phone, it's like, this
drives me nuts? Or is this to be present in somebody's conversation, you
know, because you never know when everybody's deserves respects and have a voice and
encourage people, you know, if they like something it helped them. You
know, Hey I like to sew Lynn, you know, or I'd like
to do this creatively. We'll spend twenty dollars and they're trying to do this,
you know, and just encourage people to treat to But yeah, this
very thing in that moment, just observe everything and this ca they you can
recall it because I've been through so many moments that were really especial to me.
I they remember when we did this no, and it was like it's
this be I guess, but it's it hurts me that they sure, it's
it's always special to me that it's like was not even a thing for somebody
else. But the other thing you said as well is living without fear.
And I think it's important if you have Jesus Christ in your heart and you
know you have an eternity and haven't a waiting for you, that you can
live without fear here on earth. Yes, definitely, Yep, there's no
no man can hurt you. It's your ye, your your spirits, and
no matter what happens with the flesh, I know. It's like you you
have this guilt and all the things that you've done and everything like that,
but as long as your root is your centator is with Jesus, it's like
that's what that's what follows, that's what here's by God's rules, not what
your body does. Something like that. But if you deny that there is
a guide or if you're want to just sure, just just believe it,
you know, believe that if you're good inside and it will show you know,
it will show it through everybody. It's just being genuinely happy and living
right then and now. It's like people will come and say, be all
you know pointed, they're just upset with anything. I think what's going on.
It's like, oh, I's going through this stuff. I've well,
right now are you going to that? So let's have a good time,
you know, so right now we're we're at So just try to admit yourself.
If you can do that, you don't have any fear because it's just
like you're just dealing with situation. The situation then and always continue to learn,
always continue to question everything because we'll never know everything. But it's fun.
It's fun. I love it. Well, Don Benton, it's been
a tremendous interview. Thank you a really great interview. And Betton's email base,
Betty five twenty at yeah who dot com, will be in the show
descriptions, so if you'd like to reach out to him, feel free to
reach out to him. By the way, we have a special guest Wednesday
night. We have a guest from New Zealand. You don't want to miss
that. And with that being said, uh, Betton was there any final
thoughts that you'd you'd have or anything that you missed that you wanted to mention.
No, and there's there's this endless thing that you could talk about about,
you know, but the truth and that truth. But in the end
is this, Uh, everybody contact me or I'd love to talk to anybody
because this is in twelve years or thirteen years of the flat earth and then
even longer with this conspiracy. It's like this is probably the first conversation I've
got to have and it's uh been really good. It's been really good,
and I will I would love to talk to people about this stuff. And
and even like that, and uh, you see somebody walking down the street
in the middle, you know, on a highway, I think they need
to ride, you know. Or if if somebody didn't have enough money for
something, you know, here it's as you can knock on your neighbor's door
ask him if they need help with anything for I wish people do that more
about it, And thank you very much. It's been very uplifting due to
this interview. Yeah, it's been I'm so happy that you do this stuff.
It's made it I was really nervous about doing it before, Like I
hate talking about myself, but I just it was very freeing and I love
it. I love what you're doing for the people that are like myself.
Well, all of us are kind of in that position. It's we're the
one percent. Really, uh, you know, we're kind of the minority
that the truth community it really is. But I will tell you we're breaking
down walls and we're seeing more and more people. We just kid didn't.
The domino effect just needs to keep going. You know, if everybody can
make up one person and it just continues. We had to see, uh,
as they say, a great awakening. So if you could fight,
you know, if if a group of people Earth people could be at somebody
events and then they'd have like a presence there to just this because once people
see because I think a lot of because Obama brings up ladders, you know,
all these flatterers, It's like it's like, why would you say that
if you're you know, they thought that would just bring advertisements of It's like
if somebody would see that it's on national Television's like, oh, people believe
that. It's just some people are like that, you know. It's like
I had never thought about it then they saw all the sciences were a slat
when he looked it up. And then but that's a sord because of the
whole filtering such situation too, though, But do you think that led us
into the Super Bowl with a flatter at the sign? Well, if you
have a wedge in your butt track, baby, it probably had to be.
It's pretty small, though, they pass. If we dropped that down,
I know it would be so awesome though, but yeah, but oh
well, but thank you so much. Thank you. Look at Aaron.
More are your shows and then the people that are out there the world that
are us sticking it to the what you know, thinking and beyond what everybody
tells you thinking for themselves. Indeed, and folks, make sure you check
out the show notes. We'll have lots. I'll have a whole lot of
notes for you guys to check out. To kind of more rabbit holes for
you guys to check out. So don't miss that. And again, thank
you Benton, thank you so much for joining us. Thank all the listeners
for your continued support for Benton. I'm George, God bless each and every
one of you. Keep your head on a swivel and until the next time,
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