You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend
going deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt. I'm joined today. Bye
bye, bye, bye bye, my friend and co host Shane. Hello,
Hello, today, we have a very special guest with us from North
of the Border. I believe, Yes, you're correct, wonderful Miss Jessica's
Starling. You can find Jessica here on Instagram at Jessica Starling XO on Twitter
at Jessica's Starling. Switch out the e with a three. It's cute little
way of saying any you can go to her free only fans at Jessica Starling
Free. But what I'm gonna tell you is you really should go to her
paid only fans because one, that's we're all the full length good, more,
better, more better stuff content us the good stuff. But also we're
firm advocates of paying for your stuff. You know, if there's porn out
there, you might as well pay for it. Plus, I mean,
look, we were all on eighth Well I can't probably say that we're all
at a younger age. At some point jerking off to the preview clips that
were thirty seconds and being able to finish them off. We're growing adults now,
folks, we don't do that anymore. Okay, now we pay for
our stuff. Yeah, yeah, and TikTok Jessica Starling as well. Jessica,
thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you so much for
having me so tell us. First off, I listen to a few interviews
with you, and you are very intimidating, and I think, well,
and this is no insult to the other ones, but I think it's you.
But also there were a lot It's funny I'm saying there's a lot of
shaky interviewers out there. Is when I'm starting to realize after I bobbled like
six different things that we were starting with what what. I'm confident that the
totality of our show speaks to the volume of my talent, which is thanks
uh um Jesse. How did you initially get into the sex work industry and
what was that initial jump like for you? Yes, well, um,
I started stripping when I was eighteen and I did that for two years.
Um and yeah, the so I started like right away, like as soon
as I was able to basically you know, turn eighteen, I'm like all
right time to make some money. Um um, And it was. It
was interesting obviously because it's a completely I went from you know, like being
um just like in high school and being like a teenager or too all of
a sudden being an adult in a very adult atmosphere with a doloman um.
So it was definitely something I had to learn from an ingest too. Totally
fair, you do were you mature for your age? Though? I don't
mean so that sounds that sounds creepy like I meant physically, but what what
I meant? Yeah, I bet I bet she got asked that a lot
in the club. Yeah. Yeah, you look like you're about twenty six
as this guy's pounding down another course. Um. Yeah. What I mean
more is that did you always have this mindset where you were maybe in high
school and yes, you got to the point where you were working with adults
or you know, around adults and whatever else, but in high school where
you kind of did you outgrow it in a sense? Yes, I mean
I've always Um, I don't know. I think I like to think I
was pretty mature for my age. I was asking a lot of the big
questions, reading a lot and stuff like that, thinking about my future in
different ways considering you know, I started stripping right after high school. Um,
and that's a that's a decision I made while in high school. Um.
And like I would be like on my lunch breakly researching how to do
this because I'm like, well, I think I think this is the best
option for me right now. So can I, without getting too personal,
can I ask why you thought it? Was? Not that it is a
negative option at all, but why wasn't the best option? Was college not
an issue or not a thing? Did you just have no desire to sit
in classes anymore? Did you think of this as a way to pay for
college? Like what was your thought process with that? Yeah? Well,
because you know, during high school they kind of like push you along.
You need to go to school and you need to cite something right now,
even though you don't know who you are in life, and you want what
you want to do with it. And so I picked. I'm like,
Okay, I'm going to go to school for social work. And I got
into different universities for that. And as that time I closer got closer and
closer, I was like, oh my god, everything in me is screaming
not to do this, I do not want to do this sum and then
so, okay, so I won't do that. I'm going to take some
time to earn some money, figure it out, and if I do want
to go to school, then I can just pay for it. Sure,
sure, no, makes total sense. I worked two years thirty five hours
a week of overtime on top of my forty to pay off my student loans.
And I went to community college first, so like you know, and
then I went to state school, which is cheaper than other ones. I
have friends who left with a quarter million dollars worth of you know, student
loan depth. And I always thought, I always thought, why don't you
just take your clothes off for other men? But like you know, yeah,
shows not to, which I thought was dumb on their part. Sometimes
it's the better decision, you know, I guess. Plus, you've never
seen these girls. I don't know that they would have made what you were
able to make. So the jump from then, I believe you went from
stripping with my research is correct to webcaming. Right. Yes, there's a
year in between where I had a boyfriend who was dumb, as we all
do at some point, and then I was like, I'll stop stripping for
you. And it was the worst decision I've ever made in my entire life.
Yeah. I worked in restaurants and I hated everything, And I was
like, how am I getting sexually her ass more in a restaurant than I
am in a strip club? But like here we are, this is life.
Yep. Well, restaurants have that reputation too. When my wife was
working in a restaurant, she would tell me like, you know, everybody
here is having sex with each other. And I was like, oh,
really, how's that going for you? You know? Yeah? Yeah,
oh yeah, No. It's like I feel like, I don't know,
this isn't too disrespecting one who works in the restaurant, but I kind of
almost feel like part of the hiring process is like, would you make a
female employee feel uncomfortable each time they went into the kitchen? Good? Yes,
I think you and you're welcome. Yes? Can you also work a
griddle? There you go? Yeah? The job sure makes sense makes sense.
Um okay, so now look you said you said you took a year
off for the boyfriend things. So yeah, can I ask you how old
are you? Now? I had twenty seven? Now are you done with
the boyfriend thing or are you eventually going to look for it again sometime in
life? Be funny if I turned this into like a Christian thing and I'm
trying to convince you to get married. Oh no, Jessica. Yeah,
but because we had an interesting conversation with with another performer the other day and
she did the wife thing for a long time, left that marriage and then
started going into this, and then there were a lot of different factors.
I laid out an offer to her, saying, you know what, if
you know this guy was amazing, great dick, great sex, blah blah
blah blah blah, he had tons of money, but he was also caring
and this and that, and no matter what stipulation, what hypothetical I laid
out for, she still said, No, this is my lifestyle and this
is all I want going forward. Yeah. Right? Is that? Are
you in that same mindset as of right now or no. I'm not sure
what the future will hold for me, but right now finding a partner is
definitely not one of my priorities or on my radar at all whatsoever. Sure?
Sure, Oh maybe in the future I have I live with a roommate
and she has cat of the cat. You know, sure, okay,
fair enough your step mom of the cat that sounds cute at your age and
not great at forty seven. I will forty seven. I'm gonna be traveling
around the world and giving all my friends exotic gifts. So that's okay,
it's possible, or like all of us, you might be dead, who
knows. I mean that's true too, but there you go. Yeah,
one of those exotic gifts godder, Yeah, maybe yeah, Shane, do
you have any questions to start with or no? Shane? Like the rev
in to stuff after I set up the baseline? Oh did shut the fuck
up? So so you did? You did stripping, you did webcamming?
Yeah, webcamming was aft? Was post boyfriend? Right? Yes, totally.
So when you went into webcamming, was it just you all by yourself?
I mean that's a little bit different than stripping, right, it's I
mean you have to you have to be able to market yourself. You have
to kind of establish a niche in a brand. So were you doing that
all by yourself or did you have help? Oh? No, I always
did everything all by myself and it isn't until recently I've hired like a video
editor. I work with a PR agent. I'll obviously work with an agency
for my studio work that I do, and and um, I'll probably hire
like a virtual assistant at some point in your future. But like up until
this point, it was one percent uh me doing everything by myself. Um.
Yeah. So when I started Cammingum, I started camming because I wanted
to go to college for a little bitch to trying to try that out.
Um. And I was living in a house with like six other girls,
because um, you know, college housing is like they're just like own by
like slum lords. I don't know. Yeah, that's fair cameras and all
those houses too, you know. Oh well I don't know. We catch
all the fucking cockroaches everywhere, I guess. Um. Yeah, So I
was in the house with like six other girls. I just had my own
little room and we like the shittiest internet connection in the world. I'd get
like five FPS on my sh um and that's how I started. Yeah,
I got like a fucking forty dollars webcam. So it looks like everything looks
like garbage. It sounded like garbage. Um, and I just hustled until
I could buy better ship. But if we're being honest, who hasn't jerked
off the Princess Peach from the first Mario? Like, you know, I
understand you're eating block or whatever it is. Eight Yeah, A bit,
a bit, that's what. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, it's all
by myself and yeah, started started from the bottom. Now we hear you
know there you go to quote another Canadian? Yes, I agree, yeah,
oh yeah, Aubrey is Canadian. Huh yeah. Yeah. What my
favorite thing is that all you're telling me is that sex workers are job creators.
And I think that's pretty cool. Listen to all these people you're employing
now and you're handing money over to to do work. That's just the economy.
I think that's wonderful. I think that's a great thing. I know
I do too. You know there you go, yeah, um you okay,
all right, Now let's get into the point where she hates us,
and I have to. I think we got enough, We got enough of
the uh the stuff to keep people biting. And then now now we'll get
into where she disagrees with us. I was going through your tweets and I
don't necessarily agree with them, but I agree with everybody's right to say whatever
they want. I think that's totally cool. Let's just cut to it,
man, what's up with this haha? Nine to eleven tweet. No,
she didn't say that. I said that. I feel say. Now you
say, as a Canadian, you say no, you see nothing wrong with
January sixth? Is that normally I'm kidding. That was bad. That was
bad too, that was not good. Um, let me read this tweet
for you, and I'd like us to have a civil, spirited debate on
this. Okay, Now, first off, I did send a picture of
this to Shane earlier and say I don't know what this means because I'm too
stupid. I went to fast school, so that's my things. But I
said, but I don't think she likes this guy. And Shane and I,
while not the biggest fans of this guy, were fans of the thing
he did, which I feel like you are not. So the tweet was
you can engage with the decades long discourse where many people have criticized philanthropy and
charity for enforcing dominant power relations and distracting from the roots of why things are
the way they are, or not enjoy your mister Beast video. I assume
this was in you know, when the whole publicy, yes, was happening
with the curing blindness thing. What do you have against mister Beast? I
don't have anything ak ast him as an individual. I'm sure he's a pleasant
man, sure, I think, and even you know, these I think
ultimately, obviously these videos further enriched himself, promote his brand, et cetera,
et cetera. It's not as selfless as maybe some people might believe.
And then you could argue that will at least as long as it's doing good
then even if it's self centered at the core of it, then maybe it
kind of outweighs that the utilitarian argument. Yes, but I think as well
with philanthropy, and I think, I mean, I'm not the only person
to have said this, obviously, and a lot of people make this criticism
and theorize like this about philanthropy and charity. But UM say that what am
I saying? So a company donates mosquito nets to like a four country Sure,
so that's good. Mosquito nets prevent malaria, et cetera, et cetera.
Um, but eventually those mosquito nets are going to get holes in them.
They're not going to be need to be replaced, so m when that
happens. So let's say as well that normally they would get their mosque nets
by someone who in that country locally. That makes it themselves sure when the
western country don't eate those mosquito nets. Obviously, at that point you put
the little guy out of business. You put the little guy out of business.
And since you put that guy out of business, and when you need
a new mosquito net, you have to be like, okay, well America
has to send some mosquito nets again. You become reliant on Yeah, yes,
Daddy's got to send you a new mosquito net. Yes, and it
can be weighed. What am I trying to say? It can be put
over the heads of poor countries sort of thing, so by like the IMF,
which is the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank maybe would be
like we need you to do this, this and this and then we'll send
you aid money. So kind of dank a caret over the top of undeveloped
countries. Right. So that's kind of the argumentum against this kind of philanthropy
because it empowers already empowered Western nations like America and Canada. That's what I've
said is a reinforcing dom empower structure. I think that makes total sense,
that that really does. I I only so my only disagreement on the mister
Beast point. In general, I understand what you're saying, especially internationally,
especially with poorer countries, that makes total sense in a way. That's kind
of and this is not something I agree with, by the way, but
it is kind of the argument people make on welfare. People become too reliant
on welfare, too reliant on state and then a new administration comes, they
change this, they change that, and now these people who haven't been able
to and and there's I think there's to both sides of that. I come
from family that didn't have a lot of money. My wife, you know,
dirt bag father, and she and her mother and her little baby sister
were at the welfare line with other people who collect in their checks and this
and that. But there is an argument to be made that you. I
agree with you on the mosquito nets and everything. That's so great. We
have this gorgeous Jessica Starling on here and I'm going mosquito nets in Malawi.
But no, but but This is what we want to do with these shows.
We want to make interesting conversations with people. Because look, you're hot,
you're gorgeous, you have an only fans, everything's great. You're more
than that, though, is what we believe for sure. Yeah, and
we like tackling stuff like that, So I think there's a valid argument in
that. My only pushback on that would be it did seem like mister Beast
was in the video, at least in that one video at least was pushing
back on why isn't this stuff more readily available for all people, especially and
if we're talking about in America, because I think he did a follow up
video later where he gave shoes to like in African village or something something,
right, right, right, But I mean as far as the America one,
and you're Canadian, so you understand that the healthcare system up there,
at least, right, we are lacking something in the richest country in the
world where it costs seventeen times as much for something here as it does somewhere
else. Yes, And to have somebody with lower mortality rates, yeah,
yeah, yeah, to have somebody with a platform like that not just make
the video but also put in a bit of a social message in that.
I think that's why I wasn't on the side of the side you're taking where
it's almost like, maybe that's a negative thing. Now if he's handing out
the YouTubers who are handing out one hundred dollar bills to a homeless person and
putting a camera in their face, Yeah, yeah, that's gross. Yeah,
that's their bagshit. I get really, I was thinking the honest it.
Yeah, I was thinking, if you had these companies right like,
uh, instead of giving out mosquito nets like and putting out putting the little
mosquito net guy out of business, just give the poor country a bunch of
money and then they can just use to spend it in their country however they
please. But you got to make sure to shove cameras in their face.
Well we gotta look good. Yeah I got an even better one, but
one mosquito net in between two families and let them fight it out. Oh
well sure, sure, half a mosquito net. Yeah they keep coming in
the other half. I don't get it. Bumfights, SI, I are
literally gonna quote bum fights. But I totally understand your point on that.
I think it makes sense. But I also think there is you know,
there are much more egregious examples at the time. I'm not coming down on
God forbid any of us come down on somebody for something they said. At
some point. I'm just not that's not me. At least it can be
you, it can be it doesn't matter, that's not me. But um,
I just read that and I was like, oh, I thought mister
Beast did a good job with that. Personally, he brought he brought awareness
to it. He let us know how cheap these surgeries really are. And
then he also poked a little fun and not fun, poked the bear a
little bit and was like, hey, government, why aren't we on this.
I don't know. Of all people, mister Beast from the behind the
scenes I've seen of him and this and that, he does seem the most
genuine. Now, look are they're gonna find twelve bodies at one of his
houses someday possibly he knows, but as of right now, Yeah, I
am, I am. I'm a pro mister Beast guy. But you've made
a very fair argument, you really. Yeah, I don't I don't know
what anything against him, sure, Personally I think I just am critical maybe
of this type of content. But sure, yeah he always had you said
that a little bit in high school. Have you always had big thoughts on
stuff like this? Oh? Yes, yeah, I've always thought a lot
about how things suck everywhere and why. Okay, good, good, um,
But I think that's now. This is not criticizing you either, because
it's asking a question. But things suck everywhere? Do you often think of
what could be the solution to these things? I guess. I mean that's
um, that's part of it. I guess sure, Well for you and
for minded people. Some people just like to go, this is shit,
I don't like this, and what can we do to make it better?
And they go I don't know, fucking not that, and you know yourself,
like, that's great, Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's
fair. I think big thinkers are important. Now, how do you apply
that big thinker mentality to the industry you're in? Now? Do you at
all? Do you think of production and and things that could go wrong?
That's not even the right I don't even know. Just answer whatever you can
now or whatever that message I do, because I do think a lot about
the issues that we've faced as sex workers. In the sex industry, and
also because I'm specifically doing studio porn now, I am looking at issues we
have within that studio system, and I like to look at them as like
workers rights issues, because we are workers, and if you're having issues at
work or you're not safe at work, then it's a workers rights issue.
Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of people in the industry or right now
are kind of finally getting their come uppance. They are finally having consequences for
their poor behavior or like misconduct, where before they were kind kind of protected
by the nature of this system. And now that people workers have more diversified
streams of income and stuff and are as reliant on the studio model, a
lot more issues can be worked do because we have more power over ourselves and
the things that we do. So you said something interesting there though before in
the sense that you are now getting into mainstream shoots and the studio model,
right, what is the decision behind that then, if you recognize these problems
before, is it And let me ask this because a lot of girls we've
interviewed have said, it's no longer the nineties, it's no longer even the
early two thousands anymore. Your only fans your chatter, bait or whatever is
the money maker, and the mainstream shoots are a great advertisement for your other
stuff. Is that your reason for getting into mainstream or is it just you
wanted to try something different working in a studio system. I mean, I
think there's a lot of things. I think it definitely a marketing move.
I mean, you know, Browsers is going to have an infinitely higher marketing
budget than I ever will. So definitely marketing is going to expose you to
a lot of a larger audience and stuff like that. And also, yeah,
I wanted that experience. And it's nice because usually I just I do
everything by myself. I'm just in myself in my room of my apartment,
and sometimes I kind of feel like a hermit. So it's nice to be
able to travel on to meet people who do the same things that you do
and have like similar lives and stuff like that, and yeah, to work
with them. Sure, have you picked up anything from the mainstream model that
you're like, I can apply that to my normal life, I can,
or my own not my normal life, you know, but yeah, nor
normal life. You go to Starbucks and you bring your lighting set up with
you. Yeah, yeah, is there anything you can do? You can
wad on the cup? Oh no, you want to hodder A could drink
Oh no, although neither or great in that scenario. But is there anything
that you're learning in the mainstream stuff? Where some of it I don't know,
Like I said, I went to film school. Some of it just
seems obvious. You set up the lighting, you shoot, you shoot this,
you shoot that, whatever. I've never been on a porn set,
but I think I could probably grasp seventy percent of it. Is What is
the other thirty percent that you're picking up and you're learning from the industry?
Okay, yeah, So I mean, like obviously I'm picking up like production
chips and like maybe learning like different angles and perspectives and stuff like that mostly
throughout production. I think the other thirty percent other than that kind of knowledge
is just being a like I mean, because anyone to pick up a camera
and film people, that was the seventies, But like to make it look
good and like creative and like hot and stuff like that, that's not something
you just kind of have to you know. Um, well, yeah,
that's that's really that's a really good point. Actually, my wife is at
the point where you know, she makes content online like her own you know,
by herself and stuff. And it's at the point now where we're starting
to realize, like because I'm doing a lot of the editing work, and
like we have this like this flow back and forth where we have developed a
style, you know, and it's like, Okay, if we're going to
bring in another camera person or something, then that that style is going to
be gone, you know, immediately it disappears. Because so obviously the logical
choice is if we want to preserve maintain the style, because we have to
bring in another perform you know, so I can maintain I can be the
camera guy because like that that's like what is important to us is like that
consistent look. Um. When like and if you know, like how did
that work for you? You know, you've been doing camming and now you're
in studio setting. When you were just by yourself, did you do group
content only solo the whole time? Like how are you managing that? Um?
Yeah, it was m mostly like solo stuff, and then I would
do some stuff with like if I had a boyfriend at the time, we
might film some like sex stage or something like that. Um, there was
a couple times where I made some videos with some girls, but like ninety
nine point nine percent at the time, it's just me by myself with a
camera, um and um my particular lady niche and like solo content is like
point of view roleplay videos. So it's me talking to the camera like a
person and using a realistic dildo and just using creative camera angles to make it
look like maybe this could be with your penis even though it's a dildo.
You know, sure, sure, I'm going to cut out all of us
speaking and upload this to like many VIDs as smart Girl talks to you,
Smart Girl speaks to you like a floppy dick just in the side. It's
just like poly too. It's a bad after effects agi smart Smart Girl talks
to your dick. Yeah, no, that's very funny. So okay,
so how are you going to take the stuff you are picking up on and
start applying or are you going to start applying it to your stuff? Let
me ask you this too. It's a couples with that. I like bands.
Wow, what a statement. I don't love when bands necessarily change styles.
Times it's good, sometimes it's not. Do you ever get sick and
you always hear like, well they got tired of doing the old thing.
I was like, well, fuck, I like the old thing, Like
that's what I wanted. Okay, do you ever worry about changing up your
style because now you you've identified you have a specific style or niche or something
like that. Yes, do you ever get tired of doing that? And
do you ever fear? Fuck though? If I change that up, sales
might dip or people might not like it or whatever. Yeah. So,
so I have kind of a rule so that I mostly make things that I
know my fans are going to love that I know that they're going to buy
sort of thing. I have it down to like a formula at this point,
like I'm like this, this, this, this equals everyone loves it,
you know. And then for my soul, sometimes I make something that
I think in my hand like that's cool and I don't really care if anyone
survise it. Sure, I just make it because I think it's cool and
I think other people are going to think it's cool. But maybe not in
the same way as my most of my work. But something that I think
that, yeah, that I just want to create. Um. Something that
was interesting to me is that because since I was a solo creator mostly for
most of my career. When I started working with men and selling those sex
tapes. Other than there's like a few like kind of whatever ones I had
with boyfriends and stuff like that, my fans were not into it, really
really yeah, because they're like, who is this man? I want to
see you have sex with a man. I want to pretend it's me.
I want to think it's me, Like, who is this man? Really
interesting? Actually I hadn't thought of that. Oh yeah, we uh,
we work with a few different PR agents and this is not yours, by
the way, shout out Erica. We love Erica. We love everyone we
work with. But there was one girl in Shane don't say her name,
um who was specifically told not to mention her age or the fact that she
was married. And because I guess, well, the age thing was silly
because she was she was about your age. It's like, I don't know,
dude, that's perfectly fine, Like yeah, but the married thing was
crazy. It's like the husband is never on camera with her, She's churning
out content every day. What does a fan give a shit about that for?
But yeah, I mean, but I guess I get it, you
know, in a sense I don't agree with it, but I guess it
depends on the image right of the performer, Like if if their niche is
like, you know, is some unattached how bag who's like always out and
about, or if then if the niche is like she's married and the husband
doesn't know or whatever, if there's like a specific allure appeal to this performer,
UM, I could see not wanting to let some of that information slip,
because you know, you depend on, you know, the mental illness
of some of these fans. You know, they think they're they think they're
got a chance they're gonna get with you. I mean, I think I
think my best FT fans have always UM respected if I ever had a chartner,
they never had any delusions thinking that we're going to fall in love and
run away together one day. And I think it's kind of dangerous to um
nurse that delusion. Absolutely, yeah, no, I completely agree. It's
just I think that, um, I think, um, what what Matt
was kind of getting at was maybe that yes, maybe, yeah, Well
at least what I took from it, you know, the reason I'm going
to storm the capital after this was that maybe maybe the some of the um
the intent is to foster that delusion. I think that's sort of like a
very old school way. I think looking at it, sure, because you
know when I'm stripping. Really no, don't tell any of these guys you
have a boyfriend. You are always single. And I think, I don't
know, it's very like it's definitely like an old school mentality in this industry.
You're telling me Rock Hudson was gay. Wait a minute, hold on
here, Oh no, the same Richard Simmons who got me in shape.
Liberacci too gay? I doubt it. Pandies were dropping for Liberaci. They
were just they were men's panties. That was the difference. It's it's I
guess again. I guess it's more about how you consume your porn. I
don't watch porn and go you know, oh wish that was me right there?
Oh I would be in there, just personally. I don't do that.
It's an engaging image, it's an engaging video whatever. It's an engaging
erotic literature, which is not me but some people, and I process it
one way. Whereas the one thing you said that made a lot of sense
with the stripper thing was don't tell me of a boyfriend, because yes,
you don't want them to cross that line where they're actually like, I do
have a chance with this person. But I assume the amount they spend correlates
with how close they can get to that line of thinking that right, if
you're kind of disconnected, then you're like checking your phone while you're next to
some guy or whatever, it's going to spend less money on you. Yeah,
I mean no, for sure, I mean you always it's a nature
of like, it's just a sales job, right, you have to be
very like, you know, get to make that connection with your potential client
and whatever. But I think existently I found over and over again the guys
who are like I want to date you, are you were going They're going
to cross the line at some point and you're going to have to fire them,
no matter how much money they're giving you. Right, And there are
plenty of clients and all whom you know, are consumers of all different kinds
of sex work who understand that even though you can have a close and very
intimate moment of this person, there is a boundary and at the end of
the day, you both go your separate ways and you're not like boyfriend girlfriend,
You're not in love like um, and it's never going to happen.
And there are a plenty of clients who understand that, and the ones that
don't. I feel like you will eventually have a problem with Sure. It
could be like an annoyance or it could be dangerous, you know. So
it's um. Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. That does
make sense. Can we get into some of the things you like and don't
like in the industry on your simpler terms? Lestraw the guys back in who
are bored with smart girl talking. The thing we always say we use a
anagram. No, what is the term, Shane? What what are you
getting at? Sak oh sak it is? Yeah? I think that's an
anagram. No, I don't think so. I think an anagram is mixed
up letters UM, like an abbreviation, like like SAC or CASS or AX.
Yeah, an abbreviation. That's what it is. Film school right here.
SAC is the thing we always use, and that stands for shit animals
kids. Uh. The first season of the show, we would ask girls
like, what is something you would absolutely just not do on film um for
any amount of money, And inevitably girls would say, well, I wouldn't
fuck an animal. We're like, yeah, we know, yeah, that's
obvious. And I wouldn't fuck like a six year old, and you go,
yeah, otherwise i'd have to report an acronym. Yeah, an acronym.
Yeah. Uh an a good point. Do you so those three just
for us are just obvious? Obvious? Yeah? Got it? Okay?
Is there anything that falls into your category where you go and the example we
always use to Sarah Jay was on our first season and show, She's a
legend. She's been off for yes, Yes, she's been on for ten
twenty thousand dollars for one anal scene. She's never done it. It's her
choice, she doesn't want to. She's always she doesn't do it in private
life. Yeah, I say, it's great. Do whatever you want to
do, fuck anyone that's pushing you for it. It's possible. Is there
anything that fits into this sack acronym where you would go now, just any
amount of money. I'm not interested in doing that, Yeah, I mean
any specific acts. I guess you refustounding. I don't think I'm too into
Oh. We had a Patreon episode on a regular comedy show where we watch
sounding videos and I gagged the entire It just does not seem bad. It
doesn't seem fun. I'd better get my fingernails ripped out. Man, you
so bad. You wouldn't do it to yourself, or you wouldn't do it
to a guy. I wouldn't do to myself. If my seeing partner was
like, hell, yeah, I put it in my pe hole, then
I would. But like I wouldn't be in the same state as that.
I'm not interested. No, that's fine fun. Is there anything else that
falls into that kind of you know domain where you go? Yeah, A
man, I think I think I would be okay, maybe getting pet on,
but I think to have pe in my mouth that I feel like I
have to love you. I feel like, yeah, if someone's year is
going to be in my mouth, the person who's yearing is coming from I
love them. And also they're very well hydrated. Yeah that's the important part.
It doesn't matter how much you love them if they drank twelve Miller lights
right before. Oh no, yeah, it's just gonna be like brown sewer
water. You know. Sorry, Jessica, I'm breaking the seal. Yeah,
all right, so you fall more into Shane's category. Me I'm not
a urine guy at all, not interested, and I'm not disgusted by it
either. I'm just I don't I don't care for it. I have one,
and it's kind of gonna lead into some of your other tweets, which
which I do find interesting. I won't call you out on another tweet to
look like I'm cross eyed in this video, I'm not by the way you
are. Here's one where you're just gonna be like, oh no, obviously
no. But women never think of this race play. Yes, yeah,
yes, no, that's out right totally fair. Um, you've had some
commentary. Again, I won't pull it up or call it out on interracial
porn in general. Yes, And we've had performers of color on the show
and they've kind of gone both ways with it. Gentleman John Legendary, he's
a male performer. Yeah, he's like, I don't care, I'm awful.
He's a he's a black gentleman. A gentleman sounds weird yea before yeah,
oh yeah, oh okay, okay. He's like, he's like,
I don't care, call me whatever you want. I'm making money and I'm
getting late in whatever, and I think, look, I channeled my great
grandfather. Okay, what do you want from me? He came over here
on a boat. Um, but uh no, I'm kidding, um,
but what are your views on interracial point? We've also again we talked to
Avery Jane, who I believe is also a client of your PR agency,
and she's like, no, absolutely, I won't even know. I respect
that too. Uh. And then Anna Fox again we talked about that legend.
She's told us she has no problem with its final, with its cool,
whatever I think on an individual basis, the conversation is about interracial porn,
not race play, by the way, I personally not a fan.
Um, but interracial porn. What are your views on it? So?
Um, my views have been shaved heavily by the reading that I've done,
and also by some of the black performers that I've met in the industry who
also don't like interracial corn. And when I say interracial cornum, I don't
mean any video between people of different um skin Jones. Yeah, obviously anyone
can have spects with anyone on camera as long as consenting, etcetera, etcetera.
Um, when we say interracial corn, we in porn. That ninety
nine percent of the time means black man, white woman. And the reason
why that is it's because people specifically fetish fetishhi is that kind of relationship structure
because of different And then it comes from racial stereotypes like, um, you
know this like big, like muscular, handsome black man with an enormous panis
is going to ravage this pure, innocent little white woman. And yeah,
so racial stereotypes. And then also, um, I read a very interesting
and enlightening book called The Delectable Negro. Um. You said it not make
It's what the book is titled, I'm just kidding day. That's a line
from Eastbound and Down. That wasn't that was just that's go ahead, you're
good, you're good. Um. And it was written by a scholar who
was studying the instances of first cannibalism and also um homosexuality in American chadow slave
culture and on plantations. Um where basically them the author was saying that black
men were turned into a product to be consumed literally because there is an epidemic
of people, white people eating black people in their these ways, okay,
um, and just using their bodies is something that they can consume, you
know, literally physically um, sexually, spiritually, UM, et cetera,
you know UM, and especially with the the mythology around UM the Black Fallust,
and how it was common or at least not uncommon for UM slave masters
and later people in the Gym Crow era to castrate black men and then preserve
their genitals and jars as some sort of six sort of the oddity collection or
something like that. And the you know, exotists say exotic. I can't
even say this. I couldn't even think of what that word you're about to
say is. Yeah, so like the black body is something different and exotic,
and it's like human but not really human. It's some sort of like
animal. And yeah, well basically that. Now, when I look at
popular interracial corn say blacked UM, I see a lot of these things at
play where the object of consumption is actually the black man in that video rather
than the white woman. I mean, the white woman I think is more
of a stand in UM for the erotic fan see of a white man.
See. Matt's always thought that I'm just being like contrarian, that I just
want to be different, But I think really I get bored easily, and
I like I like novelty. I like things that are different. So I
totally see what you're saying in a sense where I mean I get it,
but I also like it resonates more with me because I'm always looking for things
that are kind of the opposite of what's mainstream or what's like the most popular
thing, just because I'm looking for that novelty, that that new thing.
And so it has been so hard for me to find videos where the focus
is like some chubby, overweight, small dicked black guy shlove with you know,
like some dominant you know woman in any capacity. It's usually, like
you said, these black things. I do see like small penis humiliation videos
and stuff like that and and that style, but it's usually like a white
dude or something like that. I do notice that the in black or in
porn, the black penis is still like a mighty sword that cannot be challenged.
I think I see that. Yeah, yeah, and it's a very
I mean, it's personally, it's not true. Not all black men have
email. Oh no, dude, I want sword fights with black dude.
Yeah, So like I not honestly, I mean, if you because people
believe that people one hundred percent like or like, yeah, black men all
have a big ditch for me, and it's just I don't know. It
just sounds like race science, you know, like oh, like the skull
science. Yeah, because she's gonna start getting out calipers and measuring fucking skull
sizes. You know. Now there are a thousand black guys listening to this
right now, going, yo, shut up. I'm trying to lock down
this girl. She doesn't seen my spirit, but totally she wants to see
it though. By the way, thing the statement is I can't find something
in porn, Shane y ain't looking then all that? Well? I mean,
you know, I don't really go out and actively look for porn.
I'm just talking about what I what I see as like the thing, yes
exactly. But that stuff sells, so that's why it's there, right,
But it sells for the reasons I think that Jessica is alluding to. It
could be it could also be, um, you know, sometimes maybe there's
not Maybe there's not a negative race component to it. Maybe you want to
see a woman satisfied and the only way to do that is with multiple black
men who are good. I satisfy my wife, dude, I satisfy my
wife. I satisfy her bro fair point. That's a fair point. But
I I don't know. I I just I. I don't have a problem
with anything you said. I think it makes total sense, and there's you
know, historical backing to it and everything else. I just think I wouldn't
immediately assume, and maybe you aren't either. I'm just saying for anyone that
would, I wouldn't immediately assume like, oh, that guy likes inter racial
port must be a racist sometimes, you know. Look, I like basketball.
Would I watched the seventy six ers have sex with Jessica Starling here,
I would, Okay. I would guess who else would like it? Probably
Jessica Starling here, Okay, she would enjoy that greatly. Got Joel em
Beat, you got James Harden. It's just a it's a great team right
now, full of strong, beautiful men. Okay. But I don't know.
I just um. And again, you weren't casting that out there saying
only this and that, but you were saying, I believe in your tweet
it was something along the lines of any the people who do come at you
with anger anytime you do interracial or anything like that, you are angry white
guys. Well, yeah, because there's I mean, I get a very
specific thing, sorry, get a very specific ir fan sometimes who is really
into the racial aspect. And they're it's always been a white guy in my
experience and they tell me such because that's part of it for them. That
and it's so and it's always so uncomfortable because they always say something really disrespectful
about my scene partner. Um. And it's always like always like these weird
questions like how like how this is like being with black man compared to being
with the white man, Like there's it's just what like the tone of his
skin does not impact are sex at all? Like and just thinking like that
this like it's like a life changing Yeah, essentially different experience because you're not
seeing this person as a man, you're seeing them that's the race, like
yeah, something else. Um. And they're always disrespectaful, I mean to
me but also especially to my black costars. Sure, um and it yeah
yeah you hear that, John Legendary, you ink better than me. It's
not better than me. We're equal, okay, everyone was born equal.
Well it's twice as big as mine, okay, And he probably has about
it's probably got about twelve times as much money as I have, and he's
at least one hundred times more gorgeous. We are not all born equal.
And I say that as an angry white man. Hey, dude, you
went to film school. Man, who I think you weren't in aerospace?
Okay, you know what that means. Government confer nerdy stuff, nerd stuff,
right, Yeah, John legendary, six foot four, gorgeous gentleman nerd,
total nerd. Anyway, it's got like a top cruise effect. Where
back to my paw cast here? Um? But uh, I don't know,
Shane, Do you have anything else to go on here? Yeah?
Do these blue gas station dick pills work? You know? I'm gonna say
probably not. I mean, who knows. I could be just like a
rec now, who knows, like a I don't know why you would get
that, dude, that's gonna give you a stroke. I mean only if
I drank moss caffeine or something notaganda. It's got like hornygoat weed. It's
a stuper long lasting up to seven days if a boner. Yeah, you'd
take one of those blue pills. Your wife is gonna find you with a
blue face in the morning. Hold to the touch. She's gonna find me
with a blue face into her just a hard dick too. Um, all
right, do we run through everything we normally run through, Shane, This
is just so much fun to actually a whole conversation. Maybe many many girls
that we talk to are really great and some of them are struggle. This
was not one of those times. Yes, yes, yes, well,
Shane, if you have nothing else, let me run through these plugs.
Go for it. Wonderful. Jessica Starling joined us today. You can find
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us today. You were wonderful to talk to. You're a very intelligent person
and if anyone made it this far, they've either already come or they have
a intellectually mind, like an adventurous intellectual mind. That I do appreciate them
being a listener. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week, unless,
of course, we make this the finale of the season, in which
case we won't be I don't know yet. For your worst friend, I'm
Matt, I'm Shane. See you next week. Bye. Thanks for listening
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