1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:22,000 You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend 2 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,760 going deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt. I'm joined today. Bye 3 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,239 bye, bye, bye bye, my friend and co host Shane. Hello, 4 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:31,800 Hello, today, we have a very special guest with us from North 5 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:35,799 of the Border. I believe, Yes, you're correct, wonderful Miss Jessica's 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:43,039 Starling. You can find Jessica here on Instagram at Jessica Starling XO on Twitter 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,119 at Jessica's Starling. Switch out the e with a three. It's cute little 8 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,880 way of saying any you can go to her free only fans at Jessica Starling 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,359 Free. But what I'm gonna tell you is you really should go to her 10 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,759 paid only fans because one, that's we're all the full length good, more, 11 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:06,879 better, more better stuff content us the good stuff. But also we're 12 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,640 firm advocates of paying for your stuff. You know, if there's porn out 13 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,040 there, you might as well pay for it. Plus, I mean, 14 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:18,799 look, we were all on eighth Well I can't probably say that we're all 15 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,840 at a younger age. At some point jerking off to the preview clips that 16 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,840 were thirty seconds and being able to finish them off. We're growing adults now, 17 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,480 folks, we don't do that anymore. Okay, now we pay for 18 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,719 our stuff. Yeah, yeah, and TikTok Jessica Starling as well. Jessica, 19 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,280 thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you so much for 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,840 having me so tell us. First off, I listen to a few interviews 21 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:48,640 with you, and you are very intimidating, and I think, well, 22 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,400 and this is no insult to the other ones, but I think it's you. 23 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:56,959 But also there were a lot It's funny I'm saying there's a lot of 24 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,719 shaky interviewers out there. Is when I'm starting to realize after I bobbled like 25 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,480 six different things that we were starting with what what. I'm confident that the 26 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:13,159 totality of our show speaks to the volume of my talent, which is thanks 27 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:22,159 uh um Jesse. How did you initially get into the sex work industry and 28 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,800 what was that initial jump like for you? Yes, well, um, 29 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,479 I started stripping when I was eighteen and I did that for two years. 30 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:39,280 Um and yeah, the so I started like right away, like as soon 31 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:43,759 as I was able to basically you know, turn eighteen, I'm like all 32 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:50,000 right time to make some money. Um um, And it was. It 33 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,039 was interesting obviously because it's a completely I went from you know, like being 34 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:04,120 um just like in high school and being like a teenager or too all of 35 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,479 a sudden being an adult in a very adult atmosphere with a doloman um. 36 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:14,080 So it was definitely something I had to learn from an ingest too. Totally 37 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,639 fair, you do were you mature for your age? Though? I don't 38 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,759 mean so that sounds that sounds creepy like I meant physically, but what what 39 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:27,560 I meant? Yeah, I bet I bet she got asked that a lot 40 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:31,159 in the club. Yeah. Yeah, you look like you're about twenty six 41 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:37,039 as this guy's pounding down another course. Um. Yeah. What I mean 42 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,840 more is that did you always have this mindset where you were maybe in high 43 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:43,280 school and yes, you got to the point where you were working with adults 44 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,439 or you know, around adults and whatever else, but in high school where 45 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:50,919 you kind of did you outgrow it in a sense? Yes, I mean 46 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,840 I've always Um, I don't know. I think I like to think I 47 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:58,520 was pretty mature for my age. I was asking a lot of the big 48 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,000 questions, reading a lot and stuff like that, thinking about my future in 49 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:10,400 different ways considering you know, I started stripping right after high school. Um, 50 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,840 and that's a that's a decision I made while in high school. Um. 51 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:17,839 And like I would be like on my lunch breakly researching how to do 52 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:23,839 this because I'm like, well, I think I think this is the best 53 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,560 option for me right now. So can I, without getting too personal, 54 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,720 can I ask why you thought it? Was? Not that it is a 55 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,319 negative option at all, but why wasn't the best option? Was college not 56 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,000 an issue or not a thing? Did you just have no desire to sit 57 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,480 in classes anymore? Did you think of this as a way to pay for 58 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,639 college? Like what was your thought process with that? Yeah? Well, 59 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:47,439 because you know, during high school they kind of like push you along. 60 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,000 You need to go to school and you need to cite something right now, 61 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:54,399 even though you don't know who you are in life, and you want what 62 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:57,759 you want to do with it. And so I picked. I'm like, 63 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,680 Okay, I'm going to go to school for social work. And I got 64 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,399 into different universities for that. And as that time I closer got closer and 65 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,959 closer, I was like, oh my god, everything in me is screaming 66 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,759 not to do this, I do not want to do this sum and then 67 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,120 so, okay, so I won't do that. I'm going to take some 68 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,560 time to earn some money, figure it out, and if I do want 69 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,160 to go to school, then I can just pay for it. Sure, 70 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,480 sure, no, makes total sense. I worked two years thirty five hours 71 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,959 a week of overtime on top of my forty to pay off my student loans. 72 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:40,279 And I went to community college first, so like you know, and 73 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:43,160 then I went to state school, which is cheaper than other ones. I 74 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,800 have friends who left with a quarter million dollars worth of you know, student 75 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:49,240 loan depth. And I always thought, I always thought, why don't you 76 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,879 just take your clothes off for other men? But like you know, yeah, 77 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:57,680 shows not to, which I thought was dumb on their part. Sometimes 78 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,959 it's the better decision, you know, I guess. Plus, you've never 79 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,439 seen these girls. I don't know that they would have made what you were 80 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:08,560 able to make. So the jump from then, I believe you went from 81 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:14,839 stripping with my research is correct to webcaming. Right. Yes, there's a 82 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,600 year in between where I had a boyfriend who was dumb, as we all 83 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:23,680 do at some point, and then I was like, I'll stop stripping for 84 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,120 you. And it was the worst decision I've ever made in my entire life. 85 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:33,000 Yeah. I worked in restaurants and I hated everything, And I was 86 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,720 like, how am I getting sexually her ass more in a restaurant than I 87 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,399 am in a strip club? But like here we are, this is life. 88 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,279 Yep. Well, restaurants have that reputation too. When my wife was 89 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,000 working in a restaurant, she would tell me like, you know, everybody 90 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:51,319 here is having sex with each other. And I was like, oh, 91 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,639 really, how's that going for you? You know? Yeah? Yeah, 92 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,759 oh yeah, No. It's like I feel like, I don't know, 93 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,439 this isn't too disrespecting one who works in the restaurant, but I kind of 94 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:08,920 almost feel like part of the hiring process is like, would you make a 95 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,720 female employee feel uncomfortable each time they went into the kitchen? Good? Yes, 96 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,040 I think you and you're welcome. Yes? Can you also work a 97 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,879 griddle? There you go? Yeah? The job sure makes sense makes sense. 98 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:26,199 Um okay, so now look you said you said you took a year 99 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,800 off for the boyfriend things. So yeah, can I ask you how old 100 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:32,759 are you? Now? I had twenty seven? Now are you done with 101 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:36,360 the boyfriend thing or are you eventually going to look for it again sometime in 102 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:40,120 life? Be funny if I turned this into like a Christian thing and I'm 103 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,439 trying to convince you to get married. Oh no, Jessica. Yeah, 104 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:48,839 but because we had an interesting conversation with with another performer the other day and 105 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:55,800 she did the wife thing for a long time, left that marriage and then 106 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,800 started going into this, and then there were a lot of different factors. 107 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,279 I laid out an offer to her, saying, you know what, if 108 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,560 you know this guy was amazing, great dick, great sex, blah blah 109 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,319 blah blah blah, he had tons of money, but he was also caring 110 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,240 and this and that, and no matter what stipulation, what hypothetical I laid 111 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,399 out for, she still said, No, this is my lifestyle and this 112 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,000 is all I want going forward. Yeah. Right? Is that? Are 113 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,319 you in that same mindset as of right now or no. I'm not sure 114 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,279 what the future will hold for me, but right now finding a partner is 115 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,360 definitely not one of my priorities or on my radar at all whatsoever. Sure? 116 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:37,519 Sure, Oh maybe in the future I have I live with a roommate 117 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,240 and she has cat of the cat. You know, sure, okay, 118 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,519 fair enough your step mom of the cat that sounds cute at your age and 119 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,000 not great at forty seven. I will forty seven. I'm gonna be traveling 120 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,600 around the world and giving all my friends exotic gifts. So that's okay, 121 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,600 it's possible, or like all of us, you might be dead, who 122 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,440 knows. I mean that's true too, but there you go. Yeah, 123 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,879 one of those exotic gifts godder, Yeah, maybe yeah, Shane, do 124 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,519 you have any questions to start with or no? Shane? Like the rev 125 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,639 in to stuff after I set up the baseline? Oh did shut the fuck 126 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:24,799 up? So so you did? You did stripping, you did webcamming? 127 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Yeah, webcamming was aft? Was post boyfriend? Right? Yes, totally. 128 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,879 So when you went into webcamming, was it just you all by yourself? 129 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:37,559 I mean that's a little bit different than stripping, right, it's I 130 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,559 mean you have to you have to be able to market yourself. You have 131 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,960 to kind of establish a niche in a brand. So were you doing that 132 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,840 all by yourself or did you have help? Oh? No, I always 133 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,480 did everything all by myself and it isn't until recently I've hired like a video 134 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,039 editor. I work with a PR agent. I'll obviously work with an agency 135 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:01,600 for my studio work that I do, and and um, I'll probably hire 136 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,320 like a virtual assistant at some point in your future. But like up until 137 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,679 this point, it was one percent uh me doing everything by myself. Um. 138 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,840 Yeah. So when I started Cammingum, I started camming because I wanted 139 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,200 to go to college for a little bitch to trying to try that out. 140 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,159 Um. And I was living in a house with like six other girls, 141 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:28,039 because um, you know, college housing is like they're just like own by 142 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,279 like slum lords. I don't know. Yeah, that's fair cameras and all 143 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:37,159 those houses too, you know. Oh well I don't know. We catch 144 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:43,399 all the fucking cockroaches everywhere, I guess. Um. Yeah, So I 145 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,679 was in the house with like six other girls. I just had my own 146 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,440 little room and we like the shittiest internet connection in the world. I'd get 147 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:58,320 like five FPS on my sh um and that's how I started. Yeah, 148 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,200 I got like a fucking forty dollars webcam. So it looks like everything looks 149 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,440 like garbage. It sounded like garbage. Um, and I just hustled until 150 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,720 I could buy better ship. But if we're being honest, who hasn't jerked 151 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:16,200 off the Princess Peach from the first Mario? Like, you know, I 152 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:22,519 understand you're eating block or whatever it is. Eight Yeah, A bit, 153 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,320 a bit, that's what. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, it's all 154 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:31,360 by myself and yeah, started started from the bottom. Now we hear you 155 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,840 know there you go to quote another Canadian? Yes, I agree, yeah, 156 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,000 oh yeah, Aubrey is Canadian. Huh yeah. Yeah. What my 157 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,960 favorite thing is that all you're telling me is that sex workers are job creators. 158 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,039 And I think that's pretty cool. Listen to all these people you're employing 159 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:54,159 now and you're handing money over to to do work. That's just the economy. 160 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,919 I think that's wonderful. I think that's a great thing. I know 161 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,919 I do too. You know there you go, yeah, um you okay, 162 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,559 all right, Now let's get into the point where she hates us, 163 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,919 and I have to. I think we got enough, We got enough of 164 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,559 the uh the stuff to keep people biting. And then now now we'll get 165 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,840 into where she disagrees with us. I was going through your tweets and I 166 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,120 don't necessarily agree with them, but I agree with everybody's right to say whatever 167 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,120 they want. I think that's totally cool. Let's just cut to it, 168 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,960 man, what's up with this haha? Nine to eleven tweet. No, 169 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:35,960 she didn't say that. I said that. I feel say. Now you 170 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,639 say, as a Canadian, you say no, you see nothing wrong with 171 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,200 January sixth? Is that normally I'm kidding. That was bad. That was 172 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,919 bad too, that was not good. Um, let me read this tweet 173 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:52,919 for you, and I'd like us to have a civil, spirited debate on 174 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,279 this. Okay, Now, first off, I did send a picture of 175 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,159 this to Shane earlier and say I don't know what this means because I'm too 176 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,759 stupid. I went to fast school, so that's my things. But I 177 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,080 said, but I don't think she likes this guy. And Shane and I, 178 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:13,679 while not the biggest fans of this guy, were fans of the thing 179 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:16,159 he did, which I feel like you are not. So the tweet was 180 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,559 you can engage with the decades long discourse where many people have criticized philanthropy and 181 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:28,600 charity for enforcing dominant power relations and distracting from the roots of why things are 182 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,320 the way they are, or not enjoy your mister Beast video. I assume 183 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,639 this was in you know, when the whole publicy, yes, was happening 184 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:43,600 with the curing blindness thing. What do you have against mister Beast? I 185 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960 don't have anything ak ast him as an individual. I'm sure he's a pleasant 186 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,240 man, sure, I think, and even you know, these I think 187 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,399 ultimately, obviously these videos further enriched himself, promote his brand, et cetera, 188 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,879 et cetera. It's not as selfless as maybe some people might believe. 189 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:07,559 And then you could argue that will at least as long as it's doing good 190 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,960 then even if it's self centered at the core of it, then maybe it 191 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:20,440 kind of outweighs that the utilitarian argument. Yes, but I think as well 192 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,399 with philanthropy, and I think, I mean, I'm not the only person 193 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,879 to have said this, obviously, and a lot of people make this criticism 194 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:37,879 and theorize like this about philanthropy and charity. But UM say that what am 195 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:43,799 I saying? So a company donates mosquito nets to like a four country Sure, 196 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,320 so that's good. Mosquito nets prevent malaria, et cetera, et cetera. 197 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,799 Um, but eventually those mosquito nets are going to get holes in them. 198 00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:00,879 They're not going to be need to be replaced, so m when that 199 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,559 happens. So let's say as well that normally they would get their mosque nets 200 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:15,039 by someone who in that country locally. That makes it themselves sure when the 201 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,639 western country don't eate those mosquito nets. Obviously, at that point you put 202 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:22,200 the little guy out of business. You put the little guy out of business. 203 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,320 And since you put that guy out of business, and when you need 204 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,879 a new mosquito net, you have to be like, okay, well America 205 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,840 has to send some mosquito nets again. You become reliant on Yeah, yes, 206 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,000 Daddy's got to send you a new mosquito net. Yes, and it 207 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:43,720 can be weighed. What am I trying to say? It can be put 208 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,519 over the heads of poor countries sort of thing, so by like the IMF, 209 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:54,039 which is the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank maybe would be 210 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,399 like we need you to do this, this and this and then we'll send 211 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:03,759 you aid money. So kind of dank a caret over the top of undeveloped 212 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:11,240 countries. Right. So that's kind of the argumentum against this kind of philanthropy 213 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:18,320 because it empowers already empowered Western nations like America and Canada. That's what I've 214 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,639 said is a reinforcing dom empower structure. I think that makes total sense, 215 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:32,240 that that really does. I I only so my only disagreement on the mister 216 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,559 Beast point. In general, I understand what you're saying, especially internationally, 217 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:41,919 especially with poorer countries, that makes total sense in a way. That's kind 218 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,440 of and this is not something I agree with, by the way, but 219 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,960 it is kind of the argument people make on welfare. People become too reliant 220 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,720 on welfare, too reliant on state and then a new administration comes, they 221 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,679 change this, they change that, and now these people who haven't been able 222 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:02,559 to and and there's I think there's to both sides of that. I come 223 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,559 from family that didn't have a lot of money. My wife, you know, 224 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,960 dirt bag father, and she and her mother and her little baby sister 225 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,279 were at the welfare line with other people who collect in their checks and this 226 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,960 and that. But there is an argument to be made that you. I 227 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,319 agree with you on the mosquito nets and everything. That's so great. We 228 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,160 have this gorgeous Jessica Starling on here and I'm going mosquito nets in Malawi. 229 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:30,920 But no, but but This is what we want to do with these shows. 230 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:34,319 We want to make interesting conversations with people. Because look, you're hot, 231 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,359 you're gorgeous, you have an only fans, everything's great. You're more 232 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,559 than that, though, is what we believe for sure. Yeah, and 233 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,519 we like tackling stuff like that, So I think there's a valid argument in 234 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:51,039 that. My only pushback on that would be it did seem like mister Beast 235 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:56,480 was in the video, at least in that one video at least was pushing 236 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:02,960 back on why isn't this stuff more readily available for all people, especially and 237 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:06,440 if we're talking about in America, because I think he did a follow up 238 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:10,119 video later where he gave shoes to like in African village or something something, 239 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,279 right, right, right, But I mean as far as the America one, 240 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,440 and you're Canadian, so you understand that the healthcare system up there, 241 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:22,680 at least, right, we are lacking something in the richest country in the 242 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,680 world where it costs seventeen times as much for something here as it does somewhere 243 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,799 else. Yes, And to have somebody with lower mortality rates, yeah, 244 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,000 yeah, yeah, to have somebody with a platform like that not just make 245 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,400 the video but also put in a bit of a social message in that. 246 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:44,759 I think that's why I wasn't on the side of the side you're taking where 247 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:48,200 it's almost like, maybe that's a negative thing. Now if he's handing out 248 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,680 the YouTubers who are handing out one hundred dollar bills to a homeless person and 249 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,640 putting a camera in their face, Yeah, yeah, that's gross. Yeah, 250 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,799 that's their bagshit. I get really, I was thinking the honest it. 251 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Yeah, I was thinking, if you had these companies right like, 252 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:10,160 uh, instead of giving out mosquito nets like and putting out putting the little 253 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,200 mosquito net guy out of business, just give the poor country a bunch of 254 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,200 money and then they can just use to spend it in their country however they 255 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,000 please. But you got to make sure to shove cameras in their face. 256 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,400 Well we gotta look good. Yeah I got an even better one, but 257 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:32,319 one mosquito net in between two families and let them fight it out. Oh 258 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,559 well sure, sure, half a mosquito net. Yeah they keep coming in 259 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:42,960 the other half. I don't get it. Bumfights, SI, I are 260 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,920 literally gonna quote bum fights. But I totally understand your point on that. 261 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,160 I think it makes sense. But I also think there is you know, 262 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,079 there are much more egregious examples at the time. I'm not coming down on 263 00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:02,160 God forbid any of us come down on somebody for something they said. At 264 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,519 some point. I'm just not that's not me. At least it can be 265 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,640 you, it can be it doesn't matter, that's not me. But um, 266 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:12,079 I just read that and I was like, oh, I thought mister 267 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Beast did a good job with that. Personally, he brought he brought awareness 268 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,200 to it. He let us know how cheap these surgeries really are. And 269 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,599 then he also poked a little fun and not fun, poked the bear a 270 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,160 little bit and was like, hey, government, why aren't we on this. 271 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,039 I don't know. Of all people, mister Beast from the behind the 272 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,400 scenes I've seen of him and this and that, he does seem the most 273 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,400 genuine. Now, look are they're gonna find twelve bodies at one of his 274 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,240 houses someday possibly he knows, but as of right now, Yeah, I 275 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,359 am, I am. I'm a pro mister Beast guy. But you've made 276 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,599 a very fair argument, you really. Yeah, I don't I don't know 277 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:56,000 what anything against him, sure, Personally I think I just am critical maybe 278 00:20:56,039 --> 00:21:00,440 of this type of content. But sure, yeah he always had you said 279 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,880 that a little bit in high school. Have you always had big thoughts on 280 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,599 stuff like this? Oh? Yes, yeah, I've always thought a lot 281 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:15,160 about how things suck everywhere and why. Okay, good, good, um, 282 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:19,079 But I think that's now. This is not criticizing you either, because 283 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:23,440 it's asking a question. But things suck everywhere? Do you often think of 284 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,039 what could be the solution to these things? I guess. I mean that's 285 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,519 um, that's part of it. I guess sure, Well for you and 286 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,880 for minded people. Some people just like to go, this is shit, 287 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,079 I don't like this, and what can we do to make it better? 288 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,880 And they go I don't know, fucking not that, and you know yourself, 289 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,319 like, that's great, Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's 290 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000 fair. I think big thinkers are important. Now, how do you apply 291 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,680 that big thinker mentality to the industry you're in? Now? Do you at 292 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,359 all? Do you think of production and and things that could go wrong? 293 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,400 That's not even the right I don't even know. Just answer whatever you can 294 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:10,039 now or whatever that message I do, because I do think a lot about 295 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,920 the issues that we've faced as sex workers. In the sex industry, and 296 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,559 also because I'm specifically doing studio porn now, I am looking at issues we 297 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:26,119 have within that studio system, and I like to look at them as like 298 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,759 workers rights issues, because we are workers, and if you're having issues at 299 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:34,079 work or you're not safe at work, then it's a workers rights issue. 300 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:41,880 Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of people in the industry or right now 301 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:51,599 are kind of finally getting their come uppance. They are finally having consequences for 302 00:22:51,799 --> 00:23:00,440 their poor behavior or like misconduct, where before they were kind kind of protected 303 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,400 by the nature of this system. And now that people workers have more diversified 304 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:15,640 streams of income and stuff and are as reliant on the studio model, a 305 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,240 lot more issues can be worked do because we have more power over ourselves and 306 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,559 the things that we do. So you said something interesting there though before in 307 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:30,880 the sense that you are now getting into mainstream shoots and the studio model, 308 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,519 right, what is the decision behind that then, if you recognize these problems 309 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,920 before, is it And let me ask this because a lot of girls we've 310 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,359 interviewed have said, it's no longer the nineties, it's no longer even the 311 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,720 early two thousands anymore. Your only fans your chatter, bait or whatever is 312 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:55,000 the money maker, and the mainstream shoots are a great advertisement for your other 313 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:59,640 stuff. Is that your reason for getting into mainstream or is it just you 314 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,319 wanted to try something different working in a studio system. I mean, I 315 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,720 think there's a lot of things. I think it definitely a marketing move. 316 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,279 I mean, you know, Browsers is going to have an infinitely higher marketing 317 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:18,119 budget than I ever will. So definitely marketing is going to expose you to 318 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:25,359 a lot of a larger audience and stuff like that. And also, yeah, 319 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:32,279 I wanted that experience. And it's nice because usually I just I do 320 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,680 everything by myself. I'm just in myself in my room of my apartment, 321 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:41,000 and sometimes I kind of feel like a hermit. So it's nice to be 322 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,519 able to travel on to meet people who do the same things that you do 323 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,759 and have like similar lives and stuff like that, and yeah, to work 324 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:53,000 with them. Sure, have you picked up anything from the mainstream model that 325 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,599 you're like, I can apply that to my normal life, I can, 326 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,279 or my own not my normal life, you know, but yeah, nor 327 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,319 normal life. You go to Starbucks and you bring your lighting set up with 328 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,519 you. Yeah, yeah, is there anything you can do? You can 329 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:15,279 wad on the cup? Oh no, you want to hodder A could drink 330 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:22,559 Oh no, although neither or great in that scenario. But is there anything 331 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,240 that you're learning in the mainstream stuff? Where some of it I don't know, 332 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:29,160 Like I said, I went to film school. Some of it just 333 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,519 seems obvious. You set up the lighting, you shoot, you shoot this, 334 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,880 you shoot that, whatever. I've never been on a porn set, 335 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:40,279 but I think I could probably grasp seventy percent of it. Is What is 336 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,279 the other thirty percent that you're picking up and you're learning from the industry? 337 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:48,000 Okay, yeah, So I mean, like obviously I'm picking up like production 338 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:53,480 chips and like maybe learning like different angles and perspectives and stuff like that mostly 339 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:59,359 throughout production. I think the other thirty percent other than that kind of knowledge 340 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:06,880 is just being a like I mean, because anyone to pick up a camera 341 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,119 and film people, that was the seventies, But like to make it look 342 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,039 good and like creative and like hot and stuff like that, that's not something 343 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:21,799 you just kind of have to you know. Um, well, yeah, 344 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,599 that's that's really that's a really good point. Actually, my wife is at 345 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,319 the point where you know, she makes content online like her own you know, 346 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,319 by herself and stuff. And it's at the point now where we're starting 347 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,559 to realize, like because I'm doing a lot of the editing work, and 348 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,519 like we have this like this flow back and forth where we have developed a 349 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,279 style, you know, and it's like, Okay, if we're going to 350 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,279 bring in another camera person or something, then that that style is going to 351 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:53,880 be gone, you know, immediately it disappears. Because so obviously the logical 352 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,920 choice is if we want to preserve maintain the style, because we have to 353 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,880 bring in another perform you know, so I can maintain I can be the 354 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,759 camera guy because like that that's like what is important to us is like that 355 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:14,440 consistent look. Um. When like and if you know, like how did 356 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,839 that work for you? You know, you've been doing camming and now you're 357 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,279 in studio setting. When you were just by yourself, did you do group 358 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,799 content only solo the whole time? Like how are you managing that? Um? 359 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:36,640 Yeah, it was m mostly like solo stuff, and then I would 360 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,960 do some stuff with like if I had a boyfriend at the time, we 361 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,240 might film some like sex stage or something like that. Um, there was 362 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,759 a couple times where I made some videos with some girls, but like ninety 363 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,759 nine point nine percent at the time, it's just me by myself with a 364 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,839 camera, um and um my particular lady niche and like solo content is like 365 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,759 point of view roleplay videos. So it's me talking to the camera like a 366 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:10,440 person and using a realistic dildo and just using creative camera angles to make it 367 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,319 look like maybe this could be with your penis even though it's a dildo. 368 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,599 You know, sure, sure, I'm going to cut out all of us 369 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:23,799 speaking and upload this to like many VIDs as smart Girl talks to you, 370 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:30,359 Smart Girl speaks to you like a floppy dick just in the side. It's 371 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,079 just like poly too. It's a bad after effects agi smart Smart Girl talks 372 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,599 to your dick. Yeah, no, that's very funny. So okay, 373 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,640 so how are you going to take the stuff you are picking up on and 374 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,680 start applying or are you going to start applying it to your stuff? Let 375 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,599 me ask you this too. It's a couples with that. I like bands. 376 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:59,640 Wow, what a statement. I don't love when bands necessarily change styles. 377 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,079 Times it's good, sometimes it's not. Do you ever get sick and 378 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,839 you always hear like, well they got tired of doing the old thing. 379 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,000 I was like, well, fuck, I like the old thing, Like 380 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:15,279 that's what I wanted. Okay, do you ever worry about changing up your 381 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,240 style because now you you've identified you have a specific style or niche or something 382 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,319 like that. Yes, do you ever get tired of doing that? And 383 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,559 do you ever fear? Fuck though? If I change that up, sales 384 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:33,119 might dip or people might not like it or whatever. Yeah. So, 385 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,400 so I have kind of a rule so that I mostly make things that I 386 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,759 know my fans are going to love that I know that they're going to buy 387 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,680 sort of thing. I have it down to like a formula at this point, 388 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,519 like I'm like this, this, this, this equals everyone loves it, 389 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:56,480 you know. And then for my soul, sometimes I make something that 390 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,880 I think in my hand like that's cool and I don't really care if anyone 391 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,680 survise it. Sure, I just make it because I think it's cool and 392 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,839 I think other people are going to think it's cool. But maybe not in 393 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,440 the same way as my most of my work. But something that I think 394 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,759 that, yeah, that I just want to create. Um. Something that 395 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,759 was interesting to me is that because since I was a solo creator mostly for 396 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,480 most of my career. When I started working with men and selling those sex 397 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,359 tapes. Other than there's like a few like kind of whatever ones I had 398 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,559 with boyfriends and stuff like that, my fans were not into it, really 399 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,400 really yeah, because they're like, who is this man? I want to 400 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,680 see you have sex with a man. I want to pretend it's me. 401 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,119 I want to think it's me, Like, who is this man? Really 402 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,880 interesting? Actually I hadn't thought of that. Oh yeah, we uh, 403 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,960 we work with a few different PR agents and this is not yours, by 404 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,039 the way, shout out Erica. We love Erica. We love everyone we 405 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,319 work with. But there was one girl in Shane don't say her name, 406 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:10,680 um who was specifically told not to mention her age or the fact that she 407 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,519 was married. And because I guess, well, the age thing was silly 408 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,240 because she was she was about your age. It's like, I don't know, 409 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,119 dude, that's perfectly fine, Like yeah, but the married thing was 410 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,400 crazy. It's like the husband is never on camera with her, She's churning 411 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,880 out content every day. What does a fan give a shit about that for? 412 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:36,799 But yeah, I mean, but I guess I get it, you 413 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,079 know, in a sense I don't agree with it, but I guess it 414 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:44,839 depends on the image right of the performer, Like if if their niche is 415 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,519 like, you know, is some unattached how bag who's like always out and 416 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,680 about, or if then if the niche is like she's married and the husband 417 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,559 doesn't know or whatever, if there's like a specific allure appeal to this performer, 418 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,799 UM, I could see not wanting to let some of that information slip, 419 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,000 because you know, you depend on, you know, the mental illness 420 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,279 of some of these fans. You know, they think they're they think they're 421 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:15,559 got a chance they're gonna get with you. I mean, I think I 422 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:22,079 think my best FT fans have always UM respected if I ever had a chartner, 423 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,359 they never had any delusions thinking that we're going to fall in love and 424 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:30,519 run away together one day. And I think it's kind of dangerous to um 425 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:37,559 nurse that delusion. Absolutely, yeah, no, I completely agree. It's 426 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,680 just I think that, um, I think, um, what what Matt 427 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:46,440 was kind of getting at was maybe that yes, maybe, yeah, Well 428 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,000 at least what I took from it, you know, the reason I'm going 429 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:59,119 to storm the capital after this was that maybe maybe the some of the um 430 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,400 the intent is to foster that delusion. I think that's sort of like a 431 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,799 very old school way. I think looking at it, sure, because you 432 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,160 know when I'm stripping. Really no, don't tell any of these guys you 433 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,400 have a boyfriend. You are always single. And I think, I don't 434 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,920 know, it's very like it's definitely like an old school mentality in this industry. 435 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:27,279 You're telling me Rock Hudson was gay. Wait a minute, hold on 436 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,359 here, Oh no, the same Richard Simmons who got me in shape. 437 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:37,200 Liberacci too gay? I doubt it. Pandies were dropping for Liberaci. They 438 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,200 were just they were men's panties. That was the difference. It's it's I 439 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,519 guess again. I guess it's more about how you consume your porn. I 440 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:52,799 don't watch porn and go you know, oh wish that was me right there? 441 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Oh I would be in there, just personally. I don't do that. 442 00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,319 It's an engaging image, it's an engaging video whatever. It's an engaging 443 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:06,359 erotic literature, which is not me but some people, and I process it 444 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,719 one way. Whereas the one thing you said that made a lot of sense 445 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,480 with the stripper thing was don't tell me of a boyfriend, because yes, 446 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,199 you don't want them to cross that line where they're actually like, I do 447 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,079 have a chance with this person. But I assume the amount they spend correlates 448 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:28,880 with how close they can get to that line of thinking that right, if 449 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,639 you're kind of disconnected, then you're like checking your phone while you're next to 450 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,159 some guy or whatever, it's going to spend less money on you. Yeah, 451 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,039 I mean no, for sure, I mean you always it's a nature 452 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,159 of like, it's just a sales job, right, you have to be 453 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,639 very like, you know, get to make that connection with your potential client 454 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,920 and whatever. But I think existently I found over and over again the guys 455 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,039 who are like I want to date you, are you were going They're going 456 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,440 to cross the line at some point and you're going to have to fire them, 457 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,320 no matter how much money they're giving you. Right, And there are 458 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:07,559 plenty of clients and all whom you know, are consumers of all different kinds 459 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,679 of sex work who understand that even though you can have a close and very 460 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:17,039 intimate moment of this person, there is a boundary and at the end of 461 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,360 the day, you both go your separate ways and you're not like boyfriend girlfriend, 462 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,840 You're not in love like um, and it's never going to happen. 463 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,400 And there are a plenty of clients who understand that, and the ones that 464 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,559 don't. I feel like you will eventually have a problem with Sure. It 465 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,239 could be like an annoyance or it could be dangerous, you know. So 466 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,599 it's um. Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. That does 467 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:51,280 make sense. Can we get into some of the things you like and don't 468 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,000 like in the industry on your simpler terms? Lestraw the guys back in who 469 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,480 are bored with smart girl talking. The thing we always say we use a 470 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,039 anagram. No, what is the term, Shane? What what are you 471 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:12,079 getting at? Sak oh sak it is? Yeah? I think that's an 472 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,760 anagram. No, I don't think so. I think an anagram is mixed 473 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,159 up letters UM, like an abbreviation, like like SAC or CASS or AX. 474 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719 Yeah, an abbreviation. That's what it is. Film school right here. 475 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:34,159 SAC is the thing we always use, and that stands for shit animals 476 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,039 kids. Uh. The first season of the show, we would ask girls 477 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,719 like, what is something you would absolutely just not do on film um for 478 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,559 any amount of money, And inevitably girls would say, well, I wouldn't 479 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:50,320 fuck an animal. We're like, yeah, we know, yeah, that's 480 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,599 obvious. And I wouldn't fuck like a six year old, and you go, 481 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:57,920 yeah, otherwise i'd have to report an acronym. Yeah, an acronym. 482 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,800 Yeah. Uh an a good point. Do you so those three just 483 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,000 for us are just obvious? Obvious? Yeah? Got it? Okay? 484 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,079 Is there anything that falls into your category where you go and the example we 485 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,719 always use to Sarah Jay was on our first season and show, She's a 486 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,039 legend. She's been off for yes, Yes, she's been on for ten 487 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:22,119 twenty thousand dollars for one anal scene. She's never done it. It's her 488 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,360 choice, she doesn't want to. She's always she doesn't do it in private 489 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,920 life. Yeah, I say, it's great. Do whatever you want to 490 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:35,519 do, fuck anyone that's pushing you for it. It's possible. Is there 491 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:44,679 anything that fits into this sack acronym where you would go now, just any 492 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,719 amount of money. I'm not interested in doing that, Yeah, I mean 493 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:57,599 any specific acts. I guess you refustounding. I don't think I'm too into 494 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,079 Oh. We had a Patreon episode on a regular comedy show where we watch 495 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:07,920 sounding videos and I gagged the entire It just does not seem bad. It 496 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239 doesn't seem fun. I'd better get my fingernails ripped out. Man, you 497 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,400 so bad. You wouldn't do it to yourself, or you wouldn't do it 498 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,039 to a guy. I wouldn't do to myself. If my seeing partner was 499 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,039 like, hell, yeah, I put it in my pe hole, then 500 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,480 I would. But like I wouldn't be in the same state as that. 501 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,320 I'm not interested. No, that's fine fun. Is there anything else that 502 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,760 falls into that kind of you know domain where you go? Yeah, A 503 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,159 man, I think I think I would be okay, maybe getting pet on, 504 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,159 but I think to have pe in my mouth that I feel like I 505 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:52,880 have to love you. I feel like, yeah, if someone's year is 506 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,079 going to be in my mouth, the person who's yearing is coming from I 507 00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,840 love them. And also they're very well hydrated. Yeah that's the important part. 508 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,480 It doesn't matter how much you love them if they drank twelve Miller lights 509 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:09,239 right before. Oh no, yeah, it's just gonna be like brown sewer 510 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,800 water. You know. Sorry, Jessica, I'm breaking the seal. Yeah, 511 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,519 all right, so you fall more into Shane's category. Me I'm not 512 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,000 a urine guy at all, not interested, and I'm not disgusted by it 513 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:27,320 either. I'm just I don't I don't care for it. I have one, 514 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:29,840 and it's kind of gonna lead into some of your other tweets, which 515 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,480 which I do find interesting. I won't call you out on another tweet to 516 00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,679 look like I'm cross eyed in this video, I'm not by the way you 517 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:45,480 are. Here's one where you're just gonna be like, oh no, obviously 518 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,519 no. But women never think of this race play. Yes, yeah, 519 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,679 yes, no, that's out right totally fair. Um, you've had some 520 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,000 commentary. Again, I won't pull it up or call it out on interracial 521 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:05,159 porn in general. Yes, And we've had performers of color on the show 522 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,039 and they've kind of gone both ways with it. Gentleman John Legendary, he's 523 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,639 a male performer. Yeah, he's like, I don't care, I'm awful. 524 00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:17,719 He's a he's a black gentleman. A gentleman sounds weird yea before yeah, 525 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,119 oh yeah, oh okay, okay. He's like, he's like, 526 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,920 I don't care, call me whatever you want. I'm making money and I'm 527 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:32,119 getting late in whatever, and I think, look, I channeled my great 528 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:36,199 grandfather. Okay, what do you want from me? He came over here 529 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,360 on a boat. Um, but uh no, I'm kidding, um, 530 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,239 but what are your views on interracial point? We've also again we talked to 531 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,159 Avery Jane, who I believe is also a client of your PR agency, 532 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,960 and she's like, no, absolutely, I won't even know. I respect 533 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,199 that too. Uh. And then Anna Fox again we talked about that legend. 534 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,920 She's told us she has no problem with its final, with its cool, 535 00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:09,320 whatever I think on an individual basis, the conversation is about interracial porn, 536 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,239 not race play, by the way, I personally not a fan. 537 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,400 Um, but interracial porn. What are your views on it? So? 538 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,880 Um, my views have been shaved heavily by the reading that I've done, 539 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:29,599 and also by some of the black performers that I've met in the industry who 540 00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,960 also don't like interracial corn. And when I say interracial cornum, I don't 541 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:40,039 mean any video between people of different um skin Jones. Yeah, obviously anyone 542 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:44,519 can have spects with anyone on camera as long as consenting, etcetera, etcetera. 543 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,239 Um, when we say interracial corn, we in porn. That ninety 544 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:59,039 nine percent of the time means black man, white woman. And the reason 545 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,960 why that is it's because people specifically fetish fetishhi is that kind of relationship structure 546 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:10,920 because of different And then it comes from racial stereotypes like, um, you 547 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,559 know this like big, like muscular, handsome black man with an enormous panis 548 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,239 is going to ravage this pure, innocent little white woman. And yeah, 549 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:30,400 so racial stereotypes. And then also, um, I read a very interesting 550 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,320 and enlightening book called The Delectable Negro. Um. You said it not make 551 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,440 It's what the book is titled, I'm just kidding day. That's a line 552 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,440 from Eastbound and Down. That wasn't that was just that's go ahead, you're 553 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,400 good, you're good. Um. And it was written by a scholar who 554 00:42:51,480 --> 00:43:05,280 was studying the instances of first cannibalism and also um homosexuality in American chadow slave 555 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:15,119 culture and on plantations. Um where basically them the author was saying that black 556 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:23,400 men were turned into a product to be consumed literally because there is an epidemic 557 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,239 of people, white people eating black people in their these ways, okay, 558 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:36,559 um, and just using their bodies is something that they can consume, you 559 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:42,559 know, literally physically um, sexually, spiritually, UM, et cetera, 560 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:51,119 you know UM, and especially with the the mythology around UM the Black Fallust, 561 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:59,760 and how it was common or at least not uncommon for UM slave masters 562 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:05,599 and later people in the Gym Crow era to castrate black men and then preserve 563 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:13,320 their genitals and jars as some sort of six sort of the oddity collection or 564 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,480 something like that. And the you know, exotists say exotic. I can't 565 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,159 even say this. I couldn't even think of what that word you're about to 566 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,400 say is. Yeah, so like the black body is something different and exotic, 567 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,480 and it's like human but not really human. It's some sort of like 568 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:38,320 animal. And yeah, well basically that. Now, when I look at 569 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:47,480 popular interracial corn say blacked UM, I see a lot of these things at 570 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,440 play where the object of consumption is actually the black man in that video rather 571 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,360 than the white woman. I mean, the white woman I think is more 572 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,519 of a stand in UM for the erotic fan see of a white man. 573 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,280 See. Matt's always thought that I'm just being like contrarian, that I just 574 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,320 want to be different, But I think really I get bored easily, and 575 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,199 I like I like novelty. I like things that are different. So I 576 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,760 totally see what you're saying in a sense where I mean I get it, 577 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:28,519 but I also like it resonates more with me because I'm always looking for things 578 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,400 that are kind of the opposite of what's mainstream or what's like the most popular 579 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,519 thing, just because I'm looking for that novelty, that that new thing. 580 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,440 And so it has been so hard for me to find videos where the focus 581 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:52,119 is like some chubby, overweight, small dicked black guy shlove with you know, 582 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:59,119 like some dominant you know woman in any capacity. It's usually, like 583 00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:04,000 you said, these black things. I do see like small penis humiliation videos 584 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,360 and stuff like that and and that style, but it's usually like a white 585 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,239 dude or something like that. I do notice that the in black or in 586 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:19,199 porn, the black penis is still like a mighty sword that cannot be challenged. 587 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,360 I think I see that. Yeah, yeah, and it's a very 588 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:24,840 I mean, it's personally, it's not true. Not all black men have 589 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,280 email. Oh no, dude, I want sword fights with black dude. 590 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:34,400 Yeah, So like I not honestly, I mean, if you because people 591 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,440 believe that people one hundred percent like or like, yeah, black men all 592 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,000 have a big ditch for me, and it's just I don't know. It 593 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,519 just sounds like race science, you know, like oh, like the skull 594 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,679 science. Yeah, because she's gonna start getting out calipers and measuring fucking skull 595 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,800 sizes. You know. Now there are a thousand black guys listening to this 596 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,840 right now, going, yo, shut up. I'm trying to lock down 597 00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,800 this girl. She doesn't seen my spirit, but totally she wants to see 598 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,039 it though. By the way, thing the statement is I can't find something 599 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:08,679 in porn, Shane y ain't looking then all that? Well? I mean, 600 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,440 you know, I don't really go out and actively look for porn. 601 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,199 I'm just talking about what I what I see as like the thing, yes 602 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,480 exactly. But that stuff sells, so that's why it's there, right, 603 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:28,360 But it sells for the reasons I think that Jessica is alluding to. It 604 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,639 could be it could also be, um, you know, sometimes maybe there's 605 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,119 not Maybe there's not a negative race component to it. Maybe you want to 606 00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:47,599 see a woman satisfied and the only way to do that is with multiple black 607 00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:51,960 men who are good. I satisfy my wife, dude, I satisfy my 608 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,800 wife. I satisfy her bro fair point. That's a fair point. But 609 00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,960 I I don't know. I I just I. I don't have a problem 610 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,519 with anything you said. I think it makes total sense, and there's you 611 00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,880 know, historical backing to it and everything else. I just think I wouldn't 612 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,960 immediately assume, and maybe you aren't either. I'm just saying for anyone that 613 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,679 would, I wouldn't immediately assume like, oh, that guy likes inter racial 614 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,760 port must be a racist sometimes, you know. Look, I like basketball. 615 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,079 Would I watched the seventy six ers have sex with Jessica Starling here, 616 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:28,280 I would, Okay. I would guess who else would like it? Probably 617 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,840 Jessica Starling here, Okay, she would enjoy that greatly. Got Joel em 618 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,840 Beat, you got James Harden. It's just a it's a great team right 619 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,840 now, full of strong, beautiful men. Okay. But I don't know. 620 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,719 I just um. And again, you weren't casting that out there saying 621 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,880 only this and that, but you were saying, I believe in your tweet 622 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,000 it was something along the lines of any the people who do come at you 623 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:59,559 with anger anytime you do interracial or anything like that, you are angry white 624 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,760 guys. Well, yeah, because there's I mean, I get a very 625 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:09,400 specific thing, sorry, get a very specific ir fan sometimes who is really 626 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,320 into the racial aspect. And they're it's always been a white guy in my 627 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:21,519 experience and they tell me such because that's part of it for them. That 628 00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:29,639 and it's so and it's always so uncomfortable because they always say something really disrespectful 629 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,480 about my scene partner. Um. And it's always like always like these weird 630 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:40,000 questions like how like how this is like being with black man compared to being 631 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,119 with the white man, Like there's it's just what like the tone of his 632 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:52,400 skin does not impact are sex at all? Like and just thinking like that 633 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:58,360 this like it's like a life changing Yeah, essentially different experience because you're not 634 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,239 seeing this person as a man, you're seeing them that's the race, like 635 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,360 yeah, something else. Um. And they're always disrespectaful, I mean to 636 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:14,199 me but also especially to my black costars. Sure, um and it yeah 637 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,639 yeah you hear that, John Legendary, you ink better than me. It's 638 00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,480 not better than me. We're equal, okay, everyone was born equal. 639 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:29,960 Well it's twice as big as mine, okay, And he probably has about 640 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,039 it's probably got about twelve times as much money as I have, and he's 641 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,079 at least one hundred times more gorgeous. We are not all born equal. 642 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,199 And I say that as an angry white man. Hey, dude, you 643 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,679 went to film school. Man, who I think you weren't in aerospace? 644 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,079 Okay, you know what that means. Government confer nerdy stuff, nerd stuff, 645 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,400 right, Yeah, John legendary, six foot four, gorgeous gentleman nerd, 646 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:59,199 total nerd. Anyway, it's got like a top cruise effect. Where 647 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,119 back to my paw cast here? Um? But uh, I don't know, 648 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,559 Shane, Do you have anything else to go on here? Yeah? 649 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,719 Do these blue gas station dick pills work? You know? I'm gonna say 650 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,119 probably not. I mean, who knows. I could be just like a 651 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,239 rec now, who knows, like a I don't know why you would get 652 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,000 that, dude, that's gonna give you a stroke. I mean only if 653 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:29,079 I drank moss caffeine or something notaganda. It's got like hornygoat weed. It's 654 00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:34,159 a stuper long lasting up to seven days if a boner. Yeah, you'd 655 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,199 take one of those blue pills. Your wife is gonna find you with a 656 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,639 blue face in the morning. Hold to the touch. She's gonna find me 657 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,880 with a blue face into her just a hard dick too. Um, all 658 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,760 right, do we run through everything we normally run through, Shane, This 659 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,119 is just so much fun to actually a whole conversation. Maybe many many girls 660 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,280 that we talk to are really great and some of them are struggle. This 661 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,320 was not one of those times. Yes, yes, yes, well, 662 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,719 Shane, if you have nothing else, let me run through these plugs. 663 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,159 Go for it. Wonderful. Jessica Starling joined us today. You can find 664 00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:17,719 her on Instagram, act Jessica Starling XO on Twitter Jessica Starling switch out the 665 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,639 E for three only fans. The free one look get on there as like 666 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,440 a little appetizer, but really you want to pay for it, Jessica Starling 667 00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:32,480 Free. That's to let you know your dork go pay for it only fans 668 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:38,039 Jessica Starling and TikTok Jessica Starling. Jessica, thank you very much for joining 669 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:43,800 us today. You were wonderful to talk to. You're a very intelligent person 670 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,559 and if anyone made it this far, they've either already come or they have 671 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:54,599 a intellectually mind, like an adventurous intellectual mind. That I do appreciate them 672 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:59,639 being a listener. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week, unless, 673 00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:01,000 of course, we make this the finale of the season, in which 674 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,360 case we won't be I don't know yet. For your worst friend, I'm 675 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:14,280 Matt, I'm Shane. See you next week. Bye. Thanks for listening 676 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,039 to your worst friend going deeper.