Good afternoon. You're listening to Gambling with an Edge. Now here are your
host Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin. Good afternoon, Welcome to Gambling with an
Edge on Bob Dancer and I'm Richard Munchkin. And then there were three three
episodes left. We're gonna have today's mailbag show. Next week we're going to
talk to Michael Shackelford about his new version of Gambling one O two, and
then we're gonna have a last mailbag show. And then, as far as
we know right now, Gambling with an Edge is history. There's no plan
to bring it back, and who knows what the future will bring. Unless
we get a call or an email from one of those people that we tried
to get for years and years but never could, like Danny Conneman or James
gross Gene or someone like that, well we would make an exception and have
to have another episode, but I don't foresee that happening. Yeah, that
would be good. I think who else would be anyway? Good. So,
when we announced a while ago that we were closing up, a lot
of you sent in final mailbag questions, and almost all of them were prefaced
with thank you, Bob and Richard, we appreciate what you've been doing.
I've been listening to your show for however long and it's made a big difference
in my life for my enjoyment level. And thank you. And there's been
a lot of these and I'm just going, well, you're welcome. I
enjoyed doing it. The we're not going away mad or anything like that.
It was it was just time to quit. But I got a lot of
it too. I know a whole lot more about gambling now than I did
when I started this, and I don't know a whole lot more people now
than when I started this, So I got a lot out of it.
The amount of money we got was rather trivial, but that wasn't really why
we were in there doing it, and and it was good, and we
still got three shows left. Richard, you saw these notes too, Huh.
Yeah. I got a lot of emails, a lot of messages on
Twitter, very much the same kind of thing. The thing I find most
gratifying was I got quite a few that were people saying I became a gambling
advantage player because of the show. Things I heard on the show either convinced
them to learn more and actually learn how to play with an edge. Some
of them have been extremely successful, and that's that's just really gratifying to me.
So yeah, it's been a it's been a great run. I I
also have learned a lot from the show, and I've made some just really
good friends because of the show, people I never would have met otherwise.
So it's been an all around positive. Yeah. Well, one other thing
we should address. I also got a lot of people saying, why don't
you turn the show over to somebody else or get some other hosts this kind
of thing, which you know, we are open to if we could find
the right person or people to do that. Most of the people that we
think would be good at it or either already have their own podcast or they
are busy doing their own things that would preclude them from doing it. So
it is a possibility, but at the moment that's we don't have anybody that
would fill that bill. I also, I believe I will be back doing
something in some way eventually. I've been thinking a lot about YouTube shows,
not the kind word. I go in and casino and sit and play slots
and go, oh, look how much I want. But because of my
background in film I've been thinking about that, and so I'm sure I will
end up doing something eventually, but I have no idea what very good?
All right? First is a video poker question after the deal and right up
to yes that you pressed it, rob, is the random number generators it
big along through the remaining forty seven cards, meaning that the timing of your
button press will determine which cards you draw. Or is the order of the
deck already set after you hit the initial deal button and hit the draw button
and you're just revealing the next one to five cards that are on top of
this remaining deck. My understanding is the cards are still zipping your term while
you're deciding what to play. My understanding is it doesn't matter. It's whether
they're already there and unknown to you or zipping along at a high speed.
Doesn't really matter. You don't know what they are until you hit the button,
and there's no clues that I know of that will tell you that hitting
the button now is better than hitting it and nan a second later. Next
question, I just got the Las Vegas Advisor cup on book. What is
the best way to use my free playoffers in my cup in book for video
poker. Would you just use the free play and stop and go to the
next casino, or would you do it as long of a session as you
can while still playing an advantage or would it depend on whether or not you
want to earn comps or status at this casino. Well, the casinos offer
these coupons to get you in the door, and hope you like the place
and stay, and of course I hope you lose if you have any intention
of making this a place where you return, By all me, stay and
play. If there's no way in hell you'll play here without being bribed to
do so, play the minimum, collect your bonus and leave. Yeah.
I agree. If it's a place where you have a good game to play,
then you know it's just the equivalent of kind of finding a chip on
the floor or something. You're there to play anyway, so might as well
collect the coupound while you do it. And if not, yeah, cash
it and go. All right, I qualified for a free cruise through win
awards. Is it okay to just enjoy the cruiser at gambling? Or will
it affect my theoretical at win? Do you know anything about this, Richard?
I think it has nothing to do I mean, I don't know about
the WIN in particular, but the cruises that I've been on that came from
other casinos, what you do on the cruise has absolutely nothing to do with
your status at the casino. So when I went on the cruise, I
stiff them. It will affect your ability, I think to get free cruises
from the cruise line. You know, if you give them a certain amount
of action, they will send you free cruises. But I don't think it
has any effect on your status at WIN at all. Yeah. Yeah,
I basically agree with that. I have gotten cruise offers from outside casino hosts
and there whether they give you another free cruise in the future depends on how
much you play this time because they deal with a cruise ship. But the
regular casino I don't think it matters. And I would just say, by
the way, if it's an outside cruise host, you are probably better off
go calling the cruise directly. Then going through that host. You could probably
get a better deal calling the cruise line and saying, hey, I'm willing
to put up this much money in front money or whatever, what are you
give me. I have this status at Caesar's or wherever, well then you
have to play for sure. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. But
you're saying, when you've been contacted by these outside hosts, you just diff
the cruise and stiffen them. Well, there's a casino. Yeah, if
they're they deal with getting you into a lot of different casinos and so so
stiffing is um just with the terror Yeah yeah, because there they might be
on the cruise ship with you and they'll they'll notice the stiffing, whereas the
casino in general won't know. Now, if you're a if you're strictly a
video poker player, as I was through most of my gambling career, um,
it makes a lot of sense to stiff amount a cruise ship because almost
always a video poker sucks really really badly. Um. There can be good
black jack games, there can be good poker games, there can be um
other games on the casino. That if that's what you play, that the
game in the casino can or the game and the cruisip can be almost as
good as the game in the casino. Um. And but cruise ships can
also bar you. They don't they won't kick you off the ship. Um,
unless you're doing a whole lot more than a whole lot more wrong than
swinning in the casino, but they can bar you from all. Right.
Next question, in general, how long should an individual video poker session last?
How about if say, let's just twenty five dollars in free play?
Well, there is no in general answer. You need to consider such things
as how much play you need to keep the free play coming in the future.
Is this a one time deal or do you want to have a continuing
relationship with this casino? Is this some sort of promotion going on, perhaps
multiple points or earning tickets for a drawing that Do you think it's worthwhile?
Or maybe play a thousand points and qualify for such and such a something.
How much to play is as much of an art as it is a skill,
and different players have different levels of art. I basically play a different
amount of every casino depending and there are eight or ten different factors I consider
specific to what games I play at, what denomination, my tier level,
comp level I hope to achieve, Do they offer enough at higher tiers to
interest me, etc. Even if you know that a casino a I tally
play ten thousand dollars coin every time I go in, or fifty thousand or
whatever. That may not very well be a good number for you to shoot
at because your circumstances are very different. So the same kind of question is
Richard, is you know, like, how long should an individual blackjack session
last other than until you start getting too much heat? Well, well,
again, it really depends on the circumstances. But for a card counter,
there are many modern players now who you play until you get barred or you
don't leave because you think you have heat if you're a card counter, because
eventually you are going to get bart so just play until it happens. Now,
some people just hate getting barred, find it very stressful and don't want
to do that. And if you're playing more advanced strategies that the casino doesn't
really understand, then we make a determination of what we think the casino can
stomach and kind of play up to that level. And that can change depending
on the reactions of people and what's going on in the pit and things like
that. But as you say, it's it's more art than science in that
case. All right, next question, if you want to learn a new
language to help you as an ape, which one should it be, Richard
gem any thoughts on this, Well, I think if you're a poker player,
it should definitely be Chinese because the biggest poker action in the world is
over in Macau and China, and it would probably be advantageous to understand what
people are saying as to the other games. I don't think it. I
don't think it matters much. Yeah, I don't think it matters much.
And I'm thinking, well, I'm not a poker player, and I'm thinking
learning Mandarin might well be beyond my capabilities anyway. But there could be reasons.
If I was planning on traveling through South America or Latin America and going
to be playing some games, then learning Spanish might be useful. There's enough
different places there, some of which have good games, that it could be
useful. Also, I Spanish in high school, and so I have a
leg up the I'm now seventy six. Learning a new language is just really,
really, really tough, so it's probably not going to happen, but
I would find out a reason to do it. If I was going to
make a trip through Poland, I don't think I would take the time to
learn Polish fluently before I made that trip. I don't think it would be
cost effective. Although there are people who might like might enjoy learning your languages,
and there would be that. Another way to answer the question for a
new language to help you with an AP, it might be a computer programming
language. If you have computer programming skills and can apply that to your AP
work, that will definitely help you. Now, if you if you have
another friend who has h you can get this work done somebody else who will
give it to you or sell it to you. Fine, But having access
to good computer programming definitely help you in a number of casino games. Yeah,
that's a good point. Programming languages. Yeah, I'm a traveling little
roller who pushes buttons occasionally counts. I think that means play slots and occasionally
counts. KO preferred by no means a James gross cheen. I'm interested in
video poker progressive. Which game would be the best to learn? Or could
I buy one of each of your coming strategy cards and be ready to play
anything? I think they'll bring any heat? Is it worthwhile learning video poker?
Or am I spreading yourself too thin? All right here? When or
even if these video poker progressive strategy cards will be available? I have several
projects in the work somewhere, with not much work being done on any of
them currently, So I just don't know. It could be I will find
the motivation and within six months published ten different progressive games, And it could
be it never happens at all. I just I just truly don't know.
Now. In in Vegas, the most common progressive is nine to five double
double Bonus. I don't know how frequent that is elsewhere. It's going to
take a lot of work to get up to speed on that game, especially
since you need they frequently are combined. In addition to the progressive on the
Royal, they have progressives on the four aces for here for two threes and
fours of the Kicker, etc. So learning video poker from scratch, either
progressive or otherwise, is not a trivial matter. It can be worthwhile.
The heyday video poker has come and gone, there are still opportunities out there,
and I'm still spending most of my gambling hours playing video poker, and
there are other people who are doing it as well and doing well. But
it is nowhere near as prevalent or as commonplace to find profitable video poker games
as it was five years, ten years, twenty years ago. Example.
Next question, Richard, I'm worried about wins adding up on my card from
slot play at my locals, which I've avoided counting at. So it's not
to what do y'all think about playing a break even spread so I can rat
hole and exaggerate my losses. Well, I would concentrate more on trying to
generate losses on slot machines. But yeah, I don't think much of that
plan. I think you're better off. I don't think they look at lifetime
win of slot players the way they do lifetime win of table games players,
and the idea could actually backfire on you because if you were playing some low
break even spread and some you know, guy who used to be a hall
monitor when he was in high school decides and I think this guy looks suspicious.
Let me look into him, and then he suddenly goes, Wow,
look at all this win on slot machines this guy has, so you know,
maybe he is a wise guy. So I wouldn't I wouldn't do that.
I would just take your win, maybe find some ways to generate some
losses on slots, which if you get creative, you can do that and
yeah, I wouldn't mix the two. Okay, next question, I want
to record the latter part of my video poker sessions to evaluate my accuracy after
a few hours. I plan to use an iPhone in a shirt pocket without
notifying a casino. Have you ever done this or something like this? Well
I haven't. It sounds like a reasonable idea. It's time consuming, and
you have to know the correct play when you watch, because you have to
go back afterwards and evaluate. And there isn't a way too that I know
about, to use that data and plug it into a computer program to give
you the information. So you have to know the play, be able to
recognize it. And if you don't know the right plays when you're fresh,
certainly aren't going to know him when you're tired. It's probably a better idea
to use casino software like wind Poker or video Poker for winners. If you
still have a copy that works, the software will tell you how many airs
you're making in how big those airs are. Recording over an iPhone won't give
you that information, so you need you need the computer analysis. Yeah,
and if you want to do it when you're tired, then wait till after
you've finished the session and then go home and do it right after that.
So you're already a little burnt out. I mean, you've had whatever break
there was, the time it took you to get home, but you're probably
still a little burnt out. Yeah. Can you recommend some books about Las
Vegas that you recommend? I'm assuming you're talking about it after you read sex,
lies and video poker. I was assuming that was He didn't say that
in the question, but I assume that's part of it. And gambling and
gambling, Yes, Uh, did you have any how would you answer that?
Boy? There's a lot. I mean, I love these kinds of
books, so I've read a lot of them. Some of them that stick
out to me and authors we've had on the show, Smoking Aces, the
biography of Benny Binion Lay the favorite Beth Raymer, who wrote that was on
the show at the very very beginning about her working for Dank the Sports Better
the I always mess up the title and I should have looked it up ahead
of time. I think it's called The Professor, the Banker, and the
Suicide King, which is about Andy Beale coming to town and playing the biggest
poker players. Oh, the book Casino, which the movie was based on.
We've had m. David Schwartz on the show quite a number of times
talking about he wrote a history of Circus Circus and Jay Sarno and then and
one about the Sands. Those are some of the first ones that, oh,
you know, one of the things. There were some books that I
was fascinated by as a teenager that were written by a guy who was a
pit boss at the Dunes, and I think his name was Mike Goodwin,
either Goodwin or Goodman, and he wrote two of them, and it was
just full of stories of things that happened in the casino from the perspective of
a guy who was a pit boss. And I just loved those books when
I was Those are the first ones that come to mind for me. Yeah,
some from me might include books by Michael Kaplan, who used to who
has a number of books, some of which have to do with casinos.
Another one would be a lot of the books by Walter Tevis, whom which
would include The Hustler and The Color of Money, which are gambling books in
that case about game of pool, rather than I think it's in specific,
but um, I think I think that would matter a lot um. There
are a lot of poker books that are written as m as, like hit
me hallaballah. What was that where? Oh? Yeah, yeah something hallaballah.
Yeah, yeah, that was a good one, by the way.
Oh, Mike Sexton's book also, I forgot the name of Mike Sexton's book,
and that was really one of one of our best episodes. I thought,
so if you might want to check out that episode in addition, but
yeah, his book was really and Michael Tonic had a number of books.
M One had to do a collection of short stories, including The Man with
one hundred thousand dollars Breaths, and there were a lot of um stories in
their short stories that had to do with gambling um and nonfiction we should say
not short stories, not fiction stories, but nonfiction stories. They came from
articles when he was the writer for Cigar Ficionado. Yeah. Uh, and
we've There's There's the book on the twenty one was based on bringing down the
House. Yeah, bringing Down the House by Ben Mezrick. Yeah. And
Ben Mendrick had three or four gambling books. Yeah. I think the other
one was called Breaking Vegas, the one that was about Semi and Doukash.
Yeah, and there were there were there were three or four of those and
definitely look at those and uh. And then there's the pressing books, the
you know, being busted in Vegas or you know down and out in Vegas
and stuff like that. Leaving Las Vegas is yeah, oh yeah. The
other one was the uh, the Hunter Thompson book Fear Loathing in Las Vegas,
which is just a you know, drug fueled insanity if that's your thing.
And the book The Grifters has a scene in Vegas. Uh, and
that was oh, I forgot his name the author. He had a number
of books, Um, Jim Thompson. So he wrote a number of book
about gambling and other subjects. Good. That'll get you started. If you
go to your library car index and type in Vegas, it will give you
two hundred books in with that word in the title. And that might give
you some more places. Even if you stick to that general you're ever going
to run out. There's a lot of a lot of those books, all
right. The next question is about Ultimate X gold and do the multipliers influence
you to deviate from the standard single line video poker strategy. For example,
in Ultimate X Gold double Bonus, if I'm dealt two pairs such as queens
and twos with no full house multiplier and an eight X on two threes or
four what I dropped the queens. Have you or anyone else written a strategy
for ultimate X goal? Okay, without commenting on that particular hand, I
do ultimate X goals. I do make adjustments in the strategy. And this
is a game where you get multipliers and they stay until you him and they
build, so like every time you get a high pair, then the multipliers
for three of a kind and two pair increase. And if you get a
dealt flush, well that might increase the multipliers for flush and straights, full
houses and maybe some form of a kinds. So there are and you keep
those multipliers are keep going up. They build until they reach the max,
which they stay there until their hit. And so the base gaim in ultimate
X goal is around fifty percent. If you have no multipliers, it's fifty
percent. Although you cannot have no multipliers day, they always give you at
least one or two for like Jack's are Better, which isn't one of the
simpler ultimate X goal. There are more than three thousand different combinations of multipliers
for one game such as with the three two pair with this much or that
much, and three of a kind with this much, this much or this
much, and flush with this much, this much, the straight, etc.
More than three thousand combinations, which means there are more than three thousand
strategies for this game. So nobody is going to create a strategy for one
game. It has three thousand different states it has to cover, and especially
when there's fifteen different games in in the Ultimate X catalog. So for the
most part, you're on your own. Final question from somebody, I can't
remember which show this is from, you guys mentioned a guy that lives on
his boat and travels the world hitting up juicy promotions such as two for one
blackjack payouts. Do you know the guy that I'm talking about? Can you
talk a little bit more about him? He seems like the ultimate AP And
I have no recollection of this, do you? Richard? Vaguely, I
don't remember talking about this on the A. I don't remember talking about this
on the air. But I do know a guy who has a very large
boat and does play promotions and things that he finds in various parts of the
world. But I don't know him well. And I don't know that much
about him if it's the guy I'm thinking of. But yeah, so I
yeah, I really can't. I have nothing worth saying other than that.
Yeah, it seems I mean, obviously he's a very wealthy guy already,
so I don't think he's playing tons and tons of hours. Yeah, you
know, traveling a thousand miles on a boat, play a two for one
blackjack promotion. This generally would not make financial sense. Promotion never gonna last
long enough for you to recoup what it costs to go that far. But
of course, if you like being on the water and you have enjoy your
travel companions, sounds like a nice life, all right. Next question,
If a particular video poker machine it's found to be giving more cases than to
be expected, can this casino do something to the machine to make it con
formed to the average. And the answer is nope. They can change pay
schedules, they can remove the machine, but the machine is just randomly dealing
cards. Even with random dealing, there will be periods of time whereafter the
fact, a machine will have had hot and cold spells, and it could
be that over a relatively short period of time, there's more that you are
gotten four aces more often than average or less often than average, But the
machine itself when other people are playing it too, does not have it does
not have them, So the answer is no. Next question is blackjack.
Regarding optimal trip strategy for playing blackjack for comps and promoting, would you avoid
mixing low spread playing for comps at certain change or properties with a large spread
play until they back you off strategy and others on the same trip. It
depends on the venue, on the location, because in some places they're going
to flier you to all the other casinos in that area, so you could
end up getting thrown out of your hotel room in the middle of the night.
So yeah, I would not. And the danger there is if that
does happen, then the place where you were staying they know you, they
know your name, and so they have all your personal information as well,
So I would not do that. If you're going to go count cards,
I would not stay in the casino. Um I would stay, you know,
in a Hilton or something and and and stay anonymous in the casino.
Now, if you're playing just for comps, then fine, yeah, just
go and work the comp game. Separate question somewhat similar is it worth trying
four to six hours a relatively square a play and reopened casino and chain to
see if there are any comps or invitation only promotions that could be exploited before
throwing huge bedspreads in their face and wearing out my welcome. Yeah, sure
there's value. There's a value in that. I mean, you're not giving
up much, if anything at all, and you can see what kind of
mail that you get from them. Sure, you know, but I definitely
would not try to play, you know, blackcheck or a table game in
the first couple of days that a casino opens, because the casinos have learned.
It used to be that card counters and other advantage players would swarm to
a place when it opened, and the casinos learned that, and so they
were ready and they were throwing people out left and right when a place opens.
So I would not do anything that I get you, you know,
noticed or thrown out the first week. But if you go in and play
with not really an edge, just to see what kind of mail you might
get, but now you might have to wait a couple of months before you
get the mail. So yeah, I mean, Bob, you do this
with video poker right, So you go in and when they first opened,
because you don't know what games they might have, and usually they're looser when
they first open. They might be looser. They depends on who set up
the games. If it is a if it's a guy, if a slot
director. His highest rank earlier was assistant slot director. A lot of his
eyes haven't a lot of his ideas haven't been kemper over time, and so
he's going to make a lot of mistakes. But it's also different in video
poker. I'm getting a player's card and I'm giving up my ID day one
because in video poker, so much of the return is in the slot club
and the comps and the promotion there are so um for black. The strategy
generally is not to give up your ID now if you're if you're playing relatively
square, to see if you get comps now they have your name idea.
After that burns out, you're going back later and trying to play huge until
they kick you out. Well, you're already in the system. They may
they may able to put your current face with with your face that you gave
with the name that you gave him you got the comps. Whenever it was
that you did that. So um, the strategy of playing small at the
beginning and getting comps and then planning it later to go back and hit them
like hell. That may not be possible in blackjack, where it's definitely possible
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you're stuck on a deserted island and can only play one advantage game, what
would you play? And why? I had trouble with this question. If
it's deserted island? Do they have casinos? Um? You know what?
You know? How deserted? So I decided to bring out my teenager side
and figure and make me a lot younger with a nice companion. And if
my favorite game is UM, I guess you'd call a Hide deweeny Uh.
We had nothing, but it is a whole lot of fun and it is
definitely an advantage play. I would feel better, Richard, how do you
do with this question? Yeah? I don't know. The guy you're with
might not be into that game, Bob. Anyway, my first thought was,
ah, well, I should pick bridge because I get a deck of
cards, and once you have a deck of cards, you can play lots
of games. And I don't know if I picked for interest, does that
mean there's three other people there with me, which would also help a lot.
And I thought well maybe, yeah, maybe that's not allowed to you
know, the other thing about having a deck of cards is, you know,
I could work on like magic stuff, you know, which I've always
been interested in. But if, if, if you were not allowed to
use cards, it would be either chess or Backhammon. I have been playing
chess since I was very very little and still play and I love the game,
or Backhammon. The other thing about Backhammon is you have, you know,
thirty checkers to play with that you can maybe create other games with.
And both those games have variants, right, so you're not stuck with just
one game with either of those things. The one thing about chess, though,
is it's really hard to get better in a vacuum without any books or
software. Just trying to improve on your own is really hard, whereas in
Backhammon in the old days, you could take a position and roll it out
yourself, you know, a bunch of times to try to learn things.
So I guess if I'm not allowed to take cards, then I guess I
would choose Backhammon. I don't know, are we allowed to up our computer?
And do we have internet on this deserted island? Because I had that
I might take choose Hearthstone. Yeah, yeah, can we get a Netflix
subscription while we're there? Okay, next question. I believe you mentioned on
the show that there's no certain way of knowing you're in the database, other
than they have someone on the other side inform you. Unfortunately, when I
started counting, I was under the impression that if you played uncarded at twenty
five dollar minimum tables, it would be a red flag, while I try
to play with modest bread at double decked table. Similar progress, Carlson.
I've managed to get backed off under my name in about twenty places, primarily
mostly around two thousand and six to two thousand and eight in Nevadam, a
few Louisiana and Mississippi. What would you say the chances are that I'm still
in the database, Richard? Well, once you're in, you're always in.
I mean, it never gets deleted, so you're definitely in. And
if you were playing in Las Vegas in Nevada, you know you're in the
Caesar's database, and you're in the MGM database, and you're probably in OSN.
I mean, yeah, probably, I would just going forward, I
would just assume, yes, you were in the database. Now The good
news is if this was two thousand and six or two thousand and eight,
it means that you're not at the top of the pile. And the only
way they would find you is if they have your name and they go digging
through the database, which you know they usually are not willing to do so.
I wouldn't worry about it much, but I would not use your name
again. Do not use a player's card. We just had an episode of
Blackjack Roundtable with one of the players burn it down. The house is playing
one hundred hours a month, betting up to two hands of a thousand,
and he does not use a player's card. This idea that you can't bet
big money without a player's card is just false. It's people who are afraid
to say no to the pit boss. Just don't do it. As Nancy
Reagan taught us all, just say no. Next question for Richard. Let's
say you're playing quickly and go from one hands to two hands. It's not
uncommon for the dealer to miss that second hand, creating a missdeal. It
will also often be resolved favorably for you, often giving you some type of
free role or opt out. I don't want this to occur more than one
succession to avoid drawing too much attention from the floor and then becoming less friendly
and resolving subsequent missdeals. How do you feel about that scenario? Sounds good
to me. I mean, anytime, anytime you get a mistake that can
work in your favor seems like a free roll to me. So, I
mean, I agree, you don't want you can very easily get the dealer
pissed off at you if it happens more than once. They need to learn
to slow down that and you can just save them. Look, sometimes I
go to two hands, so you know. But yeah, I mean it
seems seems good to me. All right. Next question, It seems that
Sunset Station and maybe other stations have thrown a wrinkle in Arnold Snyder's cover play
mentioned in Radical Blackjack and discussed on the show of doubling on twelve against two
or three for much less. Some Geniuses Station has decided that you can utle
down for less to the table minimum. So now, when a player is
doubling with an advantage of doubling correctly, stations is insisting that the player bet
more. Uh I would I think it'd be giving him too much credit to
think they were doing it as a countermeasure to Arnold's cover play. Any thoughts
on that reg Well, first of all, I never tried to double for
less than the table minimum. I wasn't aware that there were any casinos that
allowed you to do that. But yeah, I'm just surprised. So it
doesn't surprise me that if you're doubling for less, you still have to double
for the minimum. Yeah. But yeah, So what I'm guessing is this
particular player plays relatively close to the minimum, and so if his big bet
is twenty five dollars on a five dollars table, betting for less with five
dollars is different senage wise and betting for less with one dollar, then yeah,
then if he was betting one hundred dollars and and betting five from them,
yeah yeah, So yeah, it's with Arnold that he's betting more than
a hundred and he's not betting on one hundred holland minimum tables when he does
this. And absolutely the casino doesn't have a clue about that. I mean,
they what happens is they find it annoying if you're betting, let's say
you're at a twenty five dollars table and you're trying to double for less for
a dollar. I mean it means they have to call somebody over and then
he has to look and he's like, oh, is that even allowed?
And you know, it just slows everything down and it annoys them so And
it would not surprise me if this rule was just made up by whoever the
boss was in the pit at the time. I mean, maybe maybe it
came down from on high, but yeah, it just they just find it
annoying and don't want to deal with it. I'm sure that's why it happened.
Okay, As of a few months ago, Void Properties started accepting slot
tickets for buy ins at the table. Therefore, I've been going buy a
machine and throwing in a couple of bills and playing a few hands to avoid
a round number and taking that to the table, along with some comment about
hoping to do better at the tables. You can also exchange your chips for
a ticket when leaving the table, which could be useful in avoiding the cage,
but I suspect that there's some limits to how much you can exchange,
especially when uncarded, which I now do now I didn't know any of this.
That sounds interesting. I suspect a lot of our listeners would want to
take advantage of that. Yeah, I'm wondering where that is. So they
must, so they have printers at every table to give you a slot ticket.
I mean it sounds like a good idea from the casino's perspective, because
maybe the guy will go take his money and stick in the slot machine.
But yeah, this is the first I've heard of this, But I like
the idea. I like the idea. I mean, if you're a big
player, you can't really show up with a lot. But it would also
you know, if you went in and got some two thousand dollars tickets ahead
of time, you know, and save them for a couple of days,
you would be able to get in much more before hitting the CTR th threshold.
So yeah, you know, put in a thousand and play two hands
to get nine five or ten thirty five or something good. All right,
So we're going to call the session quits. We next week we're gonna be
talking to Michael Shackelford, and then we're going to be coming back and doing
one last mail big show. Since almost all of answers today have kind of
been recommendations. We're not going to do a regular recommendation on this show unless,
Richard, you have one that you're just dying to get out there that
you haven't been able to say yet. Well, you know, I just
something happened this morning that I thought was funny. I started watching a show
last night on Netflix called The Night Agent, and I was like, oh,
this is really good. I ended up watching like three episodes in a
row. And then this morning I read Stephen King is saying that this new
show on Netflix is just exceptional, and yeah, and it was the same
show. So me and Stephen King would like to recommend a show on Netflix
called The Night Agent. And it's the kind of shows I've recommended a lot.
You know, it's action suspense. You know, who's the bad guy
in this particular case, the it's a girl who witnessed a murder and the
guy the guy helping her as an FBI agent. So it's that kind of
show. But it's well done, very good. Thank you, Richard,
Thank you to all our listeners for providing the fodder for this show. We're
not going to suggest that you send in anymore because there we already have the
questions for our next show. We're not closing out the email account, so
I suppose they could add up there in case we ever decided to come back
in four months and do us for the Moment show and post it out there.
That could be possible. It would without commercials, but we actually might
do that. I don't know. We haven't thought that far ahead yet.
So thank you, Richard, you and Stephen King, Thank you Stephen King.
Why not and go out and hit lots of royal flushes? Everybody?
Good day,