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Welcome back everyone to a new episode
of It You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and

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bad journalism that is done in this
country. So much is going on Molly's

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but let's start with the real big
story yesterday. It was last night Tuesday,

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the Colorado Supreme Court, through Donald
Trump, the leading Republican candidate,

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the leading right now polling wise,
the leading candidate for the presidency in the

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United States, the former president of
the United States, off the ballot in

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Colorado. I believe the primary ballot. I think that's what it is.

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Yeah, And I think the issue
there is that if they were going to

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do it for the general, they
kind of had to do it for the

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primary as well. And so that's
why it's happening now a little earlier than

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you might expect. As a campaign
strategy for Democrats. All the law fair

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that they're using against Donald Trump is
their campaign strategy for twenty twenty four.

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But this is an absolute, like
rubicon crossing, extremely bad situation that Democrats

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have put the country in. They've
been kind of open about having this strategy

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of well, if you can even
just take a step back here, So

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much of what's been said about Donald
Trump is designed to treat him as something

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like that no norm needs to be
kept, no standard needs to be kept.

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He is so bad for getting the
country out of wars, or having

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a thriving economy, or for pushing
back against the Left, that you can

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do literally anything to him. Unfortunately, I worry up to and including taking

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his life because of this. You
know just how unprecedented he is. I

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don't quite understand like how they've whipped
themselves up into their heads into this place.

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But the Colorado Supreme Court, which
is a one party court, meaning

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every single person on the court,
was put there by a Democrat had a

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like four to three decision or something
like that saying that Colorado's will not have

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the right to vote for the candidate
of their choice if the candidate of their

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choice is Donald Trump. But this
is something that happened in Colorado, but

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it's something that they actually have been
trying to do nationwide, and particularly in

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stapphire blue states such as Colorado.
So let's take this step by step,

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because it's somewhat complicated. I think
it matters. Hopefully, just to preface

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all this, hopefully the Supreme Court
will come in and just knock it immediately

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down and stop any other court for
me amputating this idea. That's not sufficient

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for what needs to happen here.
But yes, true, but that it

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is important in the sense of having
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don't want to see Roberts write some
kind of opinion that gives other states,

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opens a door for other states to
try to do this to someone who has

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not been in any real way.
Well, so let's just take a step

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back. So all this is predicated
on the Fourteenth Amendment, Section three that

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qualifies candidates who have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the United States from running

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for president. This is all based
then on January sixth, which the Court

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says in a two hundred plus page
opinion, where they say Donald Trump engage

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in insurrection against you know, they
say, like when he said I want

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you to peacefully and patriotically make your
voice heard. Their argument is that that

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was insurrectionist talk. Is that right? I don't think that's how they framed

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it. Now. I'm just wondering, like on what grounds are they framing,

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Like did they find him saying anything
that suggests first of all, there

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was no insurrection and people need to
be really honest about that and like punch

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people in the face when they call
it an insurrection. It was a protest

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of a very metaphorically no real punching. We don't want you trouble. This

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will be me on TV bang bam. People protested a deeply flawed election.

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It would have kind of been insane
if they hadn't protested. After what happened

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there, you know, radical changes
to hundreds of laws and processes to flood

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the zone with tens of millions of
unsupervised ballots. You had the deep state

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having people they pay claim that a
laptop that showed how the front runner was

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engaged in corrupt dealings with foreign governments. Was itself Russian disinformation, and they

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put a lie into the election,
and you had it come from the CIA,

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and it involved people who were paid
by the CIA. You had all

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sorts of censorship from the government,
from deep state bureaucrats who were telling people

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they couldn't talk about issues like you
had corporate media making up lights like this

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was a deeply flawed election. Just
it was. It was poorly done and

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people were upset. That does not
make it an insurrection. And one of

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the you know that is because nobody
had any plan for an insurrection. They

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were upset by a flawed election.
They behaved in ways they shouldn't. It's

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sufficient to say that. Okay,
like this rhetoric where you say, if

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you're on the left, you get
to burn down cities, you get to

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murder dozens of people, you get
to burn down precincts, you get to

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besiege the White House, you get
to besiege the Senate, you get to

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besiege the Marco Hatfield Federal Courthouse in
Portland. That's fine, and you will

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be praised and lauded and given like
tens of billions of dollars in corporate funding,

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and if you protest a deeply flawed
election, we're going to destroy your

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life and the lives of everyone you
know. Like, that's not tenable.

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And so I just it shows that
the irresponsible rhetoric from Democrats and their enablers

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has led the country to a crisis
point. And partly that's because people who

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knew better didn't metaphorically punch people in
the face when they said, this is

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an insurrection. I agree that it
was not an insurrection. Well, so

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let's just take it step by step. First part is you have a court

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here who is throwing someone off the
ball who has not not been convicted of

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insurrection or rebellion, not even charged
I don't believe, with insurrection or rebellion.

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And if I might put a point
on that, David, he wasn't

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charged with insurrection. And you know
Jack Smith wakes up every day wanting to

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charge him with insurrection. And if
even Jack Smith, who's like a crazy

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man, who's like willing to do
things that get overturned by the Supreme Court

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nine to zero, as he was
when he went after a previous Republican front

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runner, for the presidency. Bob
McDonald, he's willing to do stuff that

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you shouldn't do because of his hatred
for Republicans. And if even he did

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not charge Donald Trump with insurrection,
that might be a signal to responsible people

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on courts that maybe you shouldn't behave
this way right. So, what I

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think happened there. I think that
many people were there protesting as they're allowed

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to do. Of course, some
people I would call it a riot,

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but barely. I think it's like
a political passionate political protest that got out

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of hand, and a lot some
people did things that shouldn't have done and

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should be prosecuted. For most people
who were there that day did nothing illegal.

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But the whole thing's been turned into
this supposed rebellion. Then now the

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idea, you know, people call
it a coup and an insurrection. The

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idea that any of the bozos who
ran in there and were wandering around had

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any plan, had any support from
the military, had any kind of way

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to stop democracy from working in the
end, is absurd. And everyone knows

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that democracy was not in danger that
day, you know, So all of

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that's ridiculous. So that's the first
thing. There was no insurrections, So

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throwing them off the balve for something
that didn't happen is ridiculous. Throwing him

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off for something that he wasn't charged
for isus. But let's say they're right.

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So what precedent with this set It
would mean that any state court could

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throw off any candidate. It felt
like it could throw Chuck Schumer off a

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ballot because he, you know,
threatened the Supreme Court. Or it could

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throw Biden off a ballot because he
sent money to Iran, who you know,

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kills Americans. Or actually, he
could throw Biden off because he's opened

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the borders and doesn't do anything to
protect the sovereignty of a nation. Right,

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this could happen anywhere the president.
It sets is completely corrosive, and

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they know it. They know it. So that's why I'm saying, hopefully

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the Supreme Court just bulldozes over this
case and says it's the most ridiculous thing

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we've seen. But if you know, if you have Roberts saying something like

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though, I have to say,
though, that there are state laws in

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play here as well as federal law, So I wonder how this case would

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play out. I'm a little bit
concerned. But the point is the motivation

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behind it is authoritarian. In my
view, it's just authoritarian. You're trying

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to stop an election from happening.
You're doing the same thing you claim in

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this very case that Donald Trump was
doing. Okay, this is another thing

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that people need to metaphorically be punched
in the face for right now. So

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right now you have everybody on the
left being asked by Joe Biden to say

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that Donald Trump is an authoritarian.
So they're all doing it, and you're

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seeing this in every single media outlet, and they're saying, okay. So

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Donald Trump, when he was in
office previously, was kind of the opposite

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of an authoritarian. He had no
control over his bureaucracy. For one thing,

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he didn't use his DOJ to go
after the crimes committed by his political

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opponent, even though he could have, Like we should remember his political opponent

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went out of her way to create
and she was never president and never will

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be, and when out of her
way to create a secret system so she

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could like hide classified information, and
Donald Trump could have had his DOJ under

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his control, being like we're going
to hold her accountable. Like these people

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need to finally be held accountable,
and he said, I don't think that's

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a good idea. You shouldn't go
after your political opponents. So you have

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that experience for four years, you
know, getting out of wars, not

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using your DOJ to go after people, in fact, allowing your DOJ to

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run basically an insurrection against you,
the Molar probe and all of that idiocy.

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And they're saying, okay, and
if he's elected again this time,

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he's going to be an authoritarian.
So it's like, well, there's no

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evidence really to support this at all. But also right now we have a

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president that has done things like had
a Supreme court say what you did with

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student loan debt was unconstitutional, and
he said, screw you. I'm going

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to not obey this law, this
ruling from the Supreme Court, and I'm

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going to keep doing it. You
had a guy who on day one said

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I'm not going to protect the country
as the Constitution says by having borders.

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I'm going to tear down any protection
and start welcoming in like tens of millions

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of people to destabilize the situation you
mentioned, the situation you know with Iran,

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like giving aid and comfort to sworn
enemies of the United States, And

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you have a guy who's not happy
with Elon Musk, so he's having every

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single one of his regulatory agencies that
has any ability to go after him go

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after him. And he has personally
requested his DOJ to do more against his

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number one political opponent. Right now, that's happening. So it's not just

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like how insane it is to talk
about how someone who had a chance to

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be an authoritarian and wasn't will be
in the future. It's about right now

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what Donald Trump would do. Well, let me take another step back.

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There's so much going on. So
a few weeks ago, maybe a month

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ago, Joe Biden's campaign sent out
a letter to all to the press leading

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with them to let me give you
the exact language. Here's what they said.

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It's time to meet the moment and
responsibly inform the electorate of what their

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lives might look like if the leading
GOP candidate for the president is allowed back

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in the White House. Not but
a week after that email, story after

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story started coming out comparing Trump to
Hitler. Listen, Trump uses language I

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don't like quite often, but to
jump to Hitler immediately and the dictatorship that's

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coming and this and that, it's
just completely concocted by the media. Right

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now. I don't know what Trump
will do in the future, but I

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do know this. His administration was
far better for the Constitution in almost every

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way imaginable than the Biden administration.
Biden ignores the Constitution constantly. Biden is

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uses executive power in unprecedented ways that
Donald Trump never would have and never did

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Donald Trump put people on the court
that uphold the Constitution. Biden puts people

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on the Court who don't care about
the Constitution. Those things matter to me.

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I wish I had better choices in
this next election, but those are

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the choices we're faced with. And
as you say, not only did Trump

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not go after Hillary, but I
think he offered some kind of comment where

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he's like, it would be bad
for the country to go after politicians who,

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you know, your opponents. Hillary
was guilty as hell. She should

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have been any if her name was
Smith and she was some mid middling,

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you know, bureaucrats, she would
have been in jail. And then of

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course she also undermined the Constitution in
the US government by also concocting the whole

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Russia collusion hoax that came from her
camp, and you know she was behind

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that as well. So I don't
know what Trump's going to do, but

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I do know what's happened, and
there is no comparison in my mind.

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And even right now, as you
mentioned, the Supreme Court, democrats are

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working over time to destroy the legitimacy
of the court that upholds the Constitution,

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the only bureaucracy right now, the
only institution that does that, going after

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Clarence Thomas Constant, just years and
Nonsense and all the other originalists. So

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it's a very very dangerous time for
the Constitution in America right now, very

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really dangerous. I'm not you know, this is just Colorado, but the

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way that a lot of the not
every Democrat supports Colorado's Supreme Court decision,

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I have to say, but most
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to do the same kind of thing
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what I mean. Not necessarily this
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types at the Brookings Institute. This
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poles from different states, and Colorado
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they were like, will participate in
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to what you were pointing out about
Joe Biden asking his allies, his main

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allies, which are the corporate media, to start doing assassination prep. Basically,

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you know, to be out there
and say like Donald Trump is Hitler?

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Well, what is like the what
is the phrase we always say about

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or what's like the question we always
ask about Hitler, if you had a

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chance to assassinate Adolf Hitler, would
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people Adolf Hitler, what you're doing
is sending a message out to people who

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are willing to take that step to
do anything they can. Maybe what they

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can do is threaten the fabric of
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out of Colorado. Maybe what they
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But what you're trying to do is
open up people's minds to like, you

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can do things that are very dangerous
and bad, and everyone has to do

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their part. I mean, it's
really reckless, irresponsible stuff we're seeing from

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a lot of people on the left. And these are people, you know,

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prominent people at the Washington Post,
prominent people at the New York Times,

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prominent people in the presidency. Like
these are people who are playing with

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serious fire. It's like they're wanting
to have some kind of major conflagration and

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they're just poking and prodding and doing
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the brink. Like we know they
don't like the Constitution anyway, so they're

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like doing whatever they can to put
the country in jeopardy. And that's a

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little alarming how few people are meeting
the moment, as you might say,

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Joe Biden, We're meeting the moment
by pushing back decisively, like every single

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Republican and every single Democrat who has
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be saying this will not stand.
We will not take these attacks on our

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republic or on the right of people
to vote for whom they want. The

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way to defeat Donald Trump, if
he's really so bad, is to convince

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the majority of Americans we're planning on
voting for him or whatever, you know,

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like that they shouldn't. That's how
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look a couple of things. Yeah, I'm working on a book about how

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the paranoia of the left and how
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And I was going back reading all
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for five six years straight, and
each one is like a compounding smear,

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Like even when it's not true,
it keeps creating this environment where where people

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are told over and over that there's
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democracy, to all of this stuff, and Basically throughout history, every single

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authoritarian movement has said that they're here
to save you from something else that's threatening

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your lives. And that's exactly what's
happening now. If you think someone hitler,

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like you say, you might want
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you don't want to kill them,
but you're willing to do a lot to

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stop them. And that's what Democrats
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were just cynically using this because they
know that Donald Trump is, not,

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to say the least, a sympathetic
figure, so it's the perfect straw man

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to start doing these things. Like
that's why they're all of a sudden.

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Clarence Thomas is this maga figure to
that guy, it's been around forever,

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defends the Constitution all the time,
but he now is in go hoots with

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Donald Trump and it's okay to go
after him. Yeah, but but I

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don't know where this ends. But
you know, oh yeah, that's why

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I want to say so. But
you'll notice when they thought for a while

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there that DeSantis might be have a
really strong candidacy, that he also was

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hitler, that he also was all
the things that Donald Trump was, even

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though he's not even like that at
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is just a Donald Trump problem.
I know it's hard to defend principles when

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they're you know, when it's Donald
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like Donald Trump, and I don't, But but it's the principle you should

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be thinking about, not really the
man all all the time. Though it's

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difficult, you know, that's all. I don't actually see why it's so

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difficult. I think about this all
the time. Like people will say things

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they don't like about Donald Trump,
and I'm like, yeah, I agreed,

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that's bad, or I don't like
that aspect of his personality. I

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don't like any politician. I don't
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this person. I do get that
he's like frustrating because he's kind of good

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at what he does, and that
that can be really frustrating for a lot

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of people. But well, I
don't like the language like vermin, blood

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of our soil. We just do
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There's this great guy named do matt
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He writes sons Familiar actually does videos
for Matt Tabee's excellent substock situation,

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and he did a little like look
through history, recent history on vermin.

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So when Joe Biden asked his people
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hitler, one of the examples they
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and Donald Trump called Antifa or something, you know, like people who are

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trying to destroy the country. He
called them vermin. And that's dehumanizing rhetoric

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and there can be no tolerance for
this in any way. And so Matt

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or Feleia went through and just like
looked at what the Washington Post had said

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about Trump and his people while they
were in office, and would you be

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surprised in any way to find out
that the Washington Post's favorite way to describe

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Trump and his people were as rats
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I am so sick to death of
these people saying, like, we get

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to call you rats, and then
if you call our most extreme figures rats,

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we're going to say you're like hitler. This is like just stop it.

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And even like I was like shocked
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didn't actually hear, did not watch
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was like, all of a sudden, everybody was like, oh, Donald

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Trump has read mine comp and he's
reciting passages from mindcomp And clearly that's because

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he's this intolerable person who needs to
be assassinated. And it was about how

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immigration has poised. So when you
actually look at what Trump said, it

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was something about how like immigration has
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so then all the newspapers and all
the media outlets were all outraged that Donald

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Trump had said something negative about immigration
in this way. Holy bleeping bleep.

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When will people start caring about the
actual policy that is doing so much damage

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to the country, Like maybe we
should be about a million times more upset

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at what Joe Biden has done to
the border and a million times less upset

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about the manner in which someone's complaining
about it. Like if you have done

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everything in your power to restore rule
of law and care about borders and care

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about being a country and care about
immigration policy, and you tell me the

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way Donald Trump said something was like
inappropriate. I'll listen to you. But

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this like situation where people are like
totally fine with destroying the country and if

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you say something and not quite the
right way about how you're destroying the country.

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That's who gets offended, Like,
that's who gets the all the all

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the ire and the anger. That
is what's wrong with this town. That

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is what I hate about the people
who live here. They have no perspective.

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Everything's a problem about how Donald Trump
says something, but they don't care

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that they're destroying the best nation we've
ever had in history. I can't disagree

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with that, but that you asked
me why he's unsympathetic, So I'm just

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letting you know. Oh sorry you. Mark says he can always tell when

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we're doing our podcast because he hears
yelling from my office, and I feel

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really badly, like, I'm sure
he's up there. I admire your passion.

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No, you're you're right about that. You're right about You're right about

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out the gauging what's important and what's
not. But it would be helpful if

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he didn't make it so easy for
people to do that. That's all I'm

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saying. They're going to do it
anyway, I get it. I just

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feel like he has an authoritarian I
don't mean it in a legalistic sense,

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with like an authoritarian manner that is
off putting. To a lot of people.

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There's no denying that a lot of
people don't like Donald Trump, and

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I think would be more open to
his message if he didn't act the way

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he does. I went to bus
the way he does. I went to

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this wonderful lunch that I get to
go to every Christmas. That is a

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small gathering of like prominent ladies,
and everything's off the records. I can't

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start meaning the people who are there, you know, in the specificses.

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But there were some people there who
were they're all they're all right of center,

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but there was like light complaining about
what you just said, you know,

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like the way he says things.
And this one lady was just like,

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I don't want to hear any of
it. I'm just done hearing complaints

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about the way he says things.
I don't care, Like we have a

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country to save. Just stop.
And it made me laugh that she just

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was disallowing any complaints about the tweets
or the way that you any another thing

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about this, and you may disagree, I don't know. The thing is

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that used to happen with George W. Bush, where he'd be like one

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second he'd be this evil genius who
was plotting to you know, make us

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into Nazi Germany, and then next
day he was a complete idiot, couldn't

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do anything. So you have to
choose which one you're talking about. In

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my view, I don't think Trump
could be a dictator, even if he

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wanted to be a dictator. I
don't think he actually wants to be.

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He doesn't have the competence or what. I just don't think he put he's

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surrounded with people who can do that, or you know, you know,

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just to go off another just to
go off in another direction per second.

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Constantly calling him hitler and making him
radioactive in Washington is going to be really

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bad when he has an administration if
he wins this presidency, because I actually

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want competent people to work for him, normal people to work for him so

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that he can achieve a lot of
the things that I like. And if

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he surrounds himself with I don't know, irresponsible people or you know, if

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no one's going to be administration,
because they'll be ruined forever and prosecuted after

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as many of the people around him
have been, no one's going to want

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to be part of that, and
you're going to get even more incompetent people

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in there, or maybe people who
actually are not great people. So I

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don't know if that makes any sense, but I think just kind of smearing

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him like in this way is problematic, and going after everyone who is in

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his administration afterwards is a big problem
as well. That's true, And I

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will just say there are these outside
groups that have been putting a lot of

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effort into getting competent people ready for
the next Republican administration or next conservative administration,

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like whoever that would be, And
Heritage Foundation has this project twenty twenty

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five or they are doing a lot
of like pre vetting and thinking through issues

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because when Trump won the first time, he came in without an army,

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and a lot of really bad people
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that like bad in all the ways
you could be bad, bad because you

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don't actually share his vision for what
to do with a paired down government or

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bad ye and your like truly hostile
to it or bad in terms of the

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competence to understand how to navigate the
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And so you need both the right
political views, but you also need

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the right level of competence, and
so I am very thankful that Heritage and

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a few other people, a few
other groups are putting the time, energy

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and money into like identifying these people
beforehand so that things can go better in

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what will be the second term.
Also that reminds me of something else when

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people we didn't really talk about,
like the political fallout of what Democrats are

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doing with their law fair and how
it's been playing out in Colorado. I

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do think people should know that even
if the Left succeeds in this like brazen

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anti democratic assault on the voter,
that if Trump won in twenty twenty four,

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it would not be the first time
a Republican had won after being kept

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off ballots in many states. Does
that make sense? Who was kept off

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ballots in many states? Lincoln?
Lincoln was like not even on the ballot

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in nine or ten states and one
and I'm not saying he would have been

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like and actually the points he would
not have won, you know, Georgia,

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for instance, a Republican's not winning
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So even if they're able to criminalize
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really dangerous, like dangerous thing.
It might not affect the outcome of the

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election only if they're able to do
it in a state where it can really

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make a difference, would it.
Yeah, But what happens then, well,

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let me can I make two points. One is I actually the undemocratic

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nature of it is not what bothers
me, because the Constitution does many undemocratic

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things, And if there was actually
a person who had engaged in insurrection,

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I believe they should be held off
ballots. I think they would be perfectly

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constitutional and fine. I just think
that the core issue is that Donald Trump

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did not engage in that. It's
not the democracy part of it that bothers

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me. It's the false accusation that
bothers me. That's just me. And

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the second thing is that I think, speaking to your last point, is

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that this ratchets up, there's going
to be an arms race at some point

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where what's going to happen is you're
just going to have people who are going

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to win elections on ballots. In
most places, they'll just be purple states

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that everyone will fight over. I
don't even know if those exist very much

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anymore, but so I do think
it rows the Constitution in every way imaginable

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as far as elections go. If
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what you should have happened immediately in
Florida and Texas is removing Democrats from the

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ballot for their support of like no
border. I just I even when you

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say it, it just I hate. I like though, I like very

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small government, I like order,
I like laws to be upheld, and

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just the notion that people are going
to be going around and Democrats are starting

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this obviously, but the notion that
we're just going to go around taking people

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off ballots, and well, people, more and more voters are gonna be

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like, they don't care, why
should we care. We're going to do

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whatever we have to do, and
then you have no constitution at the end

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of that. And I do want
to really precarious situation. I completely agree

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with you that there are people who
should not be on the ballot for one

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reason or another. And I don't
even mean that in like a judgmental way.

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The Constitution has guidelines on age,
for instance, and that's unbemoscratic,

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but like it's okay, nobody thinks
no, even the people doing this,

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they know what they're doing is undemocratic. My point being, nobody thinks that

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there was an insurrection. Nobody being
honest with themselves, thinks that. They

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don't think anyone was charged with it. They don't think anyone was convicted of

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it. They know what they're doing
is just trying to keep people from being

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able to vote for the candidate of
their choice. So we should not give

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them We should not treat this like
it's a legitimate situation here that they were

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confused, they thought he'd been charged
and convicted, and that's why they did

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this. No, they just want
to remove from the people the right to

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vote for whom they want, and
so they should be called up for them.

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Like, I get that you're not
like the biggest fan of democracy,

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but at the same time, government
of by and for the people is important

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and serious and this attack on us, you know, And I'm from Colorado,

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00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,920
so I do take this kind of
personally. This affects my family,

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This affects my people, and they
know they're voting for someone who's not going

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to win. They want very much
to have the right to vote for Donald

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J. Trump. Yeah, I
agree, but that's the motivation. But

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00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,039
there is a legal component to this, and I just want to say,

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00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,960
for the amendment is somewhat problematic because
it doesn't say you need to be convicted,

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do you know what I'm saying.
So, so that's it. So

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that's the reason they can even try
to do this. So I think it

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needs to be clarified. But my
only point is that they're the ones arguing

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that this is a great day for
democracy, and I'm saying taking democracy is

436
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,400
not really the point here. The
point here is that you're just using this

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00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,759
amendment to take someone off a ballot. But on the issue that you just

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00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,119
said, which like you hated hearing
me say that Florida and Texas should take

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00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,279
democrats off the ballot if okay,
I do. I was talking with a

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00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:57,000
like really wise smart person the other
day about how nobody's being decent on the

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00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,599
left, basically like they're they're trying
to destroy the Supreme Court, and they're

442
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:06,279
doing this by going after Clarence Thomas, his wife other things. One of

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00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,320
the things that really annoys me is
again this situation we have where the left

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00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,920
is willing to do literally anything to
attack the Court, including falsely accusing someone

445
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,199
of being a serial gang rapist in
front of his daughters. You know,

446
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,280
who are like twelve and ten or
like they're willing to do anything out of

447
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,960
their hatred of a court that has
an originalist view of the Constitution. No

448
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,320
family member is off limits, no
idea is off limits, no amount,

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00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,639
there's no dignity. And on the
right you have people who are like not

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:47,599
mentioning anything. So like all of
these judges that are involved in these cases

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00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,800
who are married to left wing activists, or people at the Department of Justice

452
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,440
who are married to left wing activists, and they all get treated by the

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00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,480
Washington Post and the New York Times
is if they're nonpartisan and really credible,

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00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,159
and their spouses get treated it's nonpartisan
and really credible, even if they're crazy

455
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,639
whack job lefties. And I'm sick
of it, Like people need, people

456
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,840
need to be called out, and
they need to hurt a little bit if

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00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:15,679
they're going to do this kind of
stuff. And I just want to give

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an example. So, while the
left was running its attack on Brett Kavanaugh,

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which every single person involved knew was
completely like not true, Like they

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,159
knew this man, They knew that
they were smearing a man as a rapist

461
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:35,519
who was not They know that,
Okay, there was this one guy who

462
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,960
went out of his way to insert
himself into the process. His name is

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00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:43,960
Max Steyer, and he's like part
of some quite supposedly like good government,

464
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,719
nonpartisan group. He's not. It's
like it's a it's a it's a partisan

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group. He inserted himself into the
process to go out of his way to

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00:35:52,719 --> 00:36:00,440
say, like he heard from some
other people that that Brett cave I had

467
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,880
had too much to drink at a
party and was kind of like man handled

468
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,519
in such a way that was like
inappropriate for this other woman who was in

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00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,760
the presence of these people. And
so he he like goes and tells the

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,000
story, which doesn't even make any
sense by the way, tells it to

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00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,639
the FBI, and then and then
he tells it to these two New York

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00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:25,320
Times reporters. They put out a
story in the New York Times, like,

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00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,119
you know, a year after his
confirmation saying we found another accuser,

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00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,480
and they put it out in there, and like the whole country blows up

475
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,519
over this. There's another accuser.
We knew it. Red Kavanaugh is a

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00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,679
serial gang rapist, and like we
were right to try to destroy his life,

477
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,960
his family, everything. He holds
Deer and Carrie Savarino, my co

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00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,840
author in our first book on justice
on Trial. We got an advanced copy

479
00:36:53,880 --> 00:37:01,440
of the book, we realized that
the accuser is Max Dire And furthermore,

480
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,960
the woman supposedly in question is like, I have no idea what you're talking

481
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:13,599
about. So a man, Max
Steyer, does all this right just to

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00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,920
like go out of his way to
be awful, and these two New York

483
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,239
Times reporters try to make it sound
like there's another accusation, the only problem

484
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,440
being the supposed victim has no recollection
of what the hell he's talking about.

485
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,400
This man is married to Florence Pan, She's on the d C. Circuit

486
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,280
Court of Appeals. She's the one
who wrote the opinion that, yeah,

487
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:45,159
you can use legislation that was designed
to preserve paperwork for financial crimes against J

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,360
six protesters so that we can put
them in prison. You can do that.

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,159
She's the one who wrote this,
and that case is now being picked

490
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:59,199
up by the Supreme Court, and
I have a you know, I think

491
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:07,039
reasonable people anticipate that her decision will
be overturned. But that's the kind of

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00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,079
like level of partisanship we're dealing with
here, and this is the same woman,

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00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,119
by the way, and I wrote
about this at the Federalist. Do

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00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,639
you mind me going off on this? I feel like okay. So Jack

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00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:28,280
Smith has one operating principle, which
is speed. He wants to He wants

496
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,800
to try and convict Donald Trump in
front of a DC jury which will indict,

497
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,119
which will which will convict any Republican
of anything they want to. He

498
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:42,119
wants to do it with utmost speed
so it can it can maximize the effect

499
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:49,280
on the election. And he has
been rushing everything through and at the district

500
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:58,719
Judge Tanya Chutkin, who's a Jamaican
born lady from a family of actual Marxist

501
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,400
revolutionaries by the way, she's been
like, yeah, whatever you want,

502
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,599
I will rush everything through. I
will deny every single request Donald Trump has

503
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,480
for any type of due process in
this situation. I will rush, rush,

504
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,199
rush, rush rush. So she
denied everything by December first, Donald

505
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:21,519
Trump appealed it in the DC Circuit
and Jack Smith made news for immediately also

506
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:25,320
asking the Supreme Court to review.
But he's at the same time asking the

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00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,400
d C Circuit to review. So
it's like basically the case is going through

508
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,559
in two different courts. It's kind
of something you can do in this situation.

509
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,800
He also asks the d C Circuit
to expedite. So the d C

510
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Circuit has all these rules for like
what you'd normally grant defendants in terms of

511
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,880
time to process a complaint, time
to deal with an appeal, time to

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00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,920
make their case, time to respond
to an argument. And Jack Smith was

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00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,679
like, what if we didn't give
Donald Trump that time? And Donald Trump's

514
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:00,480
attorneys are like, well, we
refer you to your own handbook what would

515
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,760
be an appropriate amount of time?
So if Jack Smith is saying three days,

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00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,400
and they're saying, well, your
handbook says forty, so let's go

517
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:12,599
with forty. Well, this three
judge panel, including Florence pan the wife

518
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:17,960
of crazed Max Steyer who falsely accused
Brett Kavanaugh of rape, she gives Jack

519
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Smith every single thing he wants.
She grants this like expedited schedule. Even

520
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,519
other defendants on other J six related
things get like a year and a half

521
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,920
or two years. And Jack Smith
is like Donald Trump in one of the

522
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,280
most complicated cases of our history,
in a case that will involve whether every

523
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:45,000
single living former president will suddenly be
hauled before courts for what they did while

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00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
they were president. He's like,
for this one, we need to rush

525
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,800
it through, and Florence Pan,
this crazy lefty, is like, sure,

526
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,000
why not, let's do it.
Okay. I just want to say

527
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,440
another thing that's kind of related to
this situation, which is when Jack Smith

528
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,719
asked the Supreme Court to expedite a
review of this and also asked the DC

529
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,719
Circuit to do it, he announced
that he was entering in a new attorney

530
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,400
to help him out. This guy
is named Michael Drebin. And Michael Drebin.

531
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:22,320
The reason why I kind of noticed
this was like of interest was that

532
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:29,360
everyone on the left who was a
Russia collusion hoaxer was extremely excited that Michael

533
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:36,360
Drebin had been added to the Jack
Smith legal team. And do you remember

534
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
the Molar probe was supposedly led by
Robert Mohler And for years you were not

535
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:47,039
allowed to criticize the Molar probe because
Robert Moehler is a Republican, so you're

536
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:52,960
not allowed to criticize. Well,
two problems with this one. Every single

537
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,639
last person Robert Mohler quote unquote Robert
Mohler put on his team was like a

538
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,880
rabid Democrat. The best example of
this is Andrew Weissman currently losing his mind

539
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:10,480
over at MSNBC being a crazy leftist. The second issue is that Robert Moehler

540
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,079
is senile. He left it to
the Democrats. Oh when he testified for

541
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,199
the situation. When he testified in
front of Congress, everyone was like,

542
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,880
oh, my gosh, he's not
mentally there. Well, he wasn't mentally

543
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,239
there for the whole time. He
let these rabid democrats run things. And

544
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:34,159
while Andrew Weisman got a lot of
the conservative press like all up in arms

545
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:38,239
for being such a dogged prosecutor in
this the real legal strategy was done by

546
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:45,320
Michael Drebin. Michael Dreban, who
had been in the Solicitor General's office.

547
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,719
He is an extremely experienced advocate before
the Supreme Court. He's argued more than

548
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:57,480
like one hundred criminal cases for the
federal government before the Supreme Court, and

549
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,320
also is a crazy lefty. And
we know this not just because he was

550
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,599
part of the Molar probe, which
yes, spent tens of millions of dollars.

551
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Knew from the outset. Oh here, Actually he's the guy who kind

552
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,039
of was like, oh, we
set this up in the name of fighting

553
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,639
Russia collusion or investigating it, We're
not actually going to do that, because

554
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,239
one, we know that Trump had
nothing to do with Russia colllusion. They

555
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,719
knew that at the beginning. They
also knew that if they were to actually

556
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,079
investigate Russia collusion and actually investigate how
this Russia collusion idea got into the US

557
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,360
government, they'd be investigating their own
party. They'd be investigating Hillary Clinton,

558
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:40,880
the Democratic National Committee, their own
like Russian sources. And so they just

559
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,440
stayed completely the heck away from the
one example of Russia collusion in the election,

560
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,360
which was the Steele dossier and how
it came about. So they stayed

561
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,079
away from it. And they were
like, but obviously this is all being

562
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,480
done simply so we can get Trump. So we're going to come up with

563
00:43:55,519 --> 00:44:02,960
a new thing. Instead of investigating
Russia and the Steele dossier, We're going

564
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,400
to say that Donald Trump complaining that
Hillary Clinton made up a fake story about

565
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,000
him, or that Democrats made up
a fake story about him, that that

566
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,760
itself is obstruction of justice. We're
going to spend a year and a half

567
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,079
trying to destroy his presidency, putting
anyone we can who helped him in prison,

568
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:25,239
and we are going to come up
with an impeachment strategy built around obstruction

569
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,400
of justice. That was Michael Dribin. Michael Drebin left at the end of

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00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:37,960
the Molar probe to help out with
impeachment. He and Normuizen go and help

571
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,599
Democrats and then as soon as they
realize like, oh, it can't be

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00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,679
Russia will come up with this other
thing Ukraine, but they applied the same

573
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:52,639
impeachment strategy. Michael Drebin went and
helped side Vance at the New York Manhattan

574
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:59,599
Attorney General go to the Supreme Court
to get Donald Trump's tax records like crazed

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00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:06,760
partisan and he gets brought on to
help Jack Smith with this get Trump operation.

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00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:13,400
So the problem here for a lot
of people, I think is that

577
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,159
they just don't know what to do
or how to fight back against something like

578
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,360
this. These aren't elected officials you
can get rid of, you know,

579
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,519
And I don't know. It must
be frustrating for them. For me,

580
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,519
it's frustrating to hear that this is
going on, because at some point Republicans

581
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,920
have to retaliate by doing similar kinds
of things, and there's no other real

582
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,760
way around it. And that's why
I was complaining about how it makes me

583
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,960
feel uneasy for sure to hear that
we're going to throw people off ballots,

584
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,320
that we're going to now go after
you know, presidential candidates or any kind

585
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,119
of candidate. I think that that
just creates an environment where you're not going

586
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,840
to have a very free country and
there's going to be a lot of corruption.

587
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,320
But what can you do. One
thing you could do is just elect

588
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,239
Donald Trump. Like electing Donald Trump
is a big way to say, like

589
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,920
none of this can stand. We're
not going to let you know, you

590
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,800
can just like politically take care of
it. They have to accept another presidency.

591
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,320
I was thinking today how the great
like irony is that what they should

592
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,519
have done was not do what they
did to the twenty twenty election, to

593
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,960
like pull out every single stop imaginable
to get their guy over the finish line.

594
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:29,199
They should have just let Donald Trump
have in another four years and right

595
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,000
now they'd be getting ready to be
done with him, like it would all

596
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:37,199
be over. But instead they do
the twenty twenty shenanigans, and now he's

597
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,719
like on track to be the next
president. It is their worst nightmare scenario,

598
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,800
and they really only have themselves to
blame for what their situation is.

599
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Here's how I view it, too, is that Trump is a force onto

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00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,800
himself for whatever you think of him. He'll be gone one day. But

601
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,440
the things that Democrats are now doing
to our siss is going to stay with

602
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:06,639
us forever. They are creating norms
that will not be can't be fixed.

603
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:14,079
And that's that's the real that's the
real tragedy of this whole situation. You

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00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,119
know, let's say, everything you
say about Donald Trump is right in the

605
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:21,880
twenty twentyter post twenty twenty. Once
he leaves, that's over. But what

606
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
you're doing now, what you did
before then, what you did with the

607
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,599
Russia collusion hoax, that's those are
new norms that you've set, and not

608
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,880
even that, just what you're doing
to the Supreme Court, the norms of

609
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,559
how you talk about and smear people
as authoritarians is as Nazis constantly, it's

610
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,000
just this constant drumbeat. I was
going back and thinking about other instances that

611
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:49,440
are long forgotten, where the hyperbole
or the like, the things that people

612
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,360
did have harmed us forever, Like
think about net neutrality. They called everyone

613
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,679
no one even thinks about that now, but they called. They said the

614
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,000
internet would never be the same.
That these people learn nazis that they can

615
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,599
tell you what you can say,
and the internet now is better than it's

616
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,599
ever been in the sense of strength
and availability to people. So there were

617
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,760
like thousands of these instances, and
each one, like I said before,

618
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:22,960
compounds the other into creating a really
dangerous situation for the country. So do

619
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,599
you think what do you think so
the Supreme Court is going to overturn this,

620
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,639
do you think there are other states
that are going to try to do

621
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,199
something like this? Or like,
is there are there other waste I don't

622
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,760
know enough about this, but there
are other ways to get Donald Trump off

623
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,960
ballots? Or do you think that's
just sort of like a virtue signal type

624
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,199
of thing. This does I don't
know. I believe I know that some

625
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,760
of the places where they've been trying
to keep them off the ballot, their

626
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,159
court decisions have not gone their way. You would have said the same about

627
00:48:52,159 --> 00:49:00,840
Colorado until yesterday's Supreme Court decision.
So I think that the idea and the

628
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,039
court decision from Colorado immediately stayed itself. They said, well, this doesn't

629
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:10,840
go into effect until January fourth or
it, and also like it won't go

630
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,559
in effect if Donald Trump's legal team
appeals this ruling, which they will,

631
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:20,599
so it was kind of like a
very toothless order from the Supreme Court.

632
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:29,679
I think the idea is maybe that
other states also do this, that the

633
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,639
Supreme Court take its normal amount of
time to listen to something about this,

634
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,320
and in the meantime it just causes
like chaos, which is part of the

635
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,000
legal strategy. Now, I can
just say, as a practical political position,

636
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,360
even though the court pretends it's not, it's the stupidest thing to do.

637
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,880
Colorado's not going to be won by
Donald Trump anyway. So all you've

638
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,159
done now is just created this firestorm
for no real practical reason. You probably

639
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:01,199
are going to You've probably seen Trump's
pull numbers go up because the victimhood thing

640
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,119
is a big part of his campaign
against the establishment. So I don't even

641
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,159
understand what the point of this is. That people are his enemies, are

642
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:14,800
the dumbest people who were constantly shooting
themselves in the foot, constant doing things

643
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,800
that are terrible for the country doesn't
make any sense. I don't know.

644
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,880
I think they're trying to win political
power, and there aren't a lot of

645
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,320
brave, courageous people in our country
to punch back at what they're doing.

646
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,719
And so if you crave power more
than anything, you are willing to put

647
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,000
the country in a constitutional crisis and
cheat. Basically, I mean, I'm

648
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:45,400
sorry, but taking your opponent off
the ballot is cheating. I do think

649
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,760
it needs to be pointed out this
hurts our country Internationally. We have this

650
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:59,840
moral weight to what we say.
We frequently sanction countries for removing credible political

651
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,079
oponents from the ballot from their ballots. One of the reasons why we say

652
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:09,519
we are good and Russia is bad
is because Vladimir Putin and his party US

653
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:15,519
courts to claim that people who disagree
with them are insurrectionists. They put them

654
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:21,000
in prison, they you know,
trump up charges, they engage in this

655
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,639
kind of like election interference. It's
one of the reasons why we say we're

656
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:28,920
better than them. And I think
Vladimir Putin last week was kind of pointing

657
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,719
out, you don't get to lecture
us on democracy when you're doing stuff like

658
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:38,360
this. Everybody knows that's true,
like everyone that's true that we don't get

659
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,559
to lecture people. When we're jailing
our political opponents. We are behaving like

660
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:47,840
the worst third world dictatorship, and
we know it, like nobody can pretend

661
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,400
otherwise. And like I love when
people are like, no, when when

662
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Vladimir Putin says that Alexander Navalni did
a protest and therefore he has to go

663
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:05,159
to prison, this is election interference. But when we say that Donald Trump

664
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,800
did a protest and therefore he asked
to go to prison, we're not doing

665
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,800
election interference. I mean, they're
the same thing, people, and you

666
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:19,639
don't do it when you're wanting to
be like a legit country and it affects

667
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:25,239
our ability to encourage other people to
not behave in authoritarian fashion. I saw

668
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,639
two movies. Did you see anything? I did you want to go for?

669
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:35,360
It's okay? I watched The Verdict. Oh I love that. David

670
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,840
Mammott, Yeah, yes, it
was really good. I thought maybe you

671
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,360
had recommended it, but I can't
remember. H maybe a long time ago,

672
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,760
but I mean I don't remember.
It was a really well done movie

673
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,639
about this guy Paul Newman, who
was a good attorney but then he kind

674
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,559
of like had a bad situation happened
that, through no fault of his own,

675
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,280
ends up losing his practice. He's
an alcoholic, and he's a bad

676
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,840
alcoholic. I don't like seeing people
be alcoholics. It's like too painful.

677
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,320
But he plays the part well.
And then he has a case that involves

678
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:20,440
trying to get going after a hospital
that had poorly treated a woman during labor

679
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,119
and delivery and turned her into like
a coma coma. She's in a coma

680
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:29,679
and she or something, you know, she's in a very bad situation and

681
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,840
going up against the insurance company.
It's like really riveting and well done and

682
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,079
great acting by every single person in
the movie, and great character development and

683
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:43,519
great plot. Yeah, I'm a
big fan. Sidney Lumett, David Mammett,

684
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,599
everybody had to have that and their
and their last name and et.

685
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:53,800
I guess it's good. I love
that movie. I haven't seen it in

686
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,119
a while. Jack Warden was that
the guy's name he's in it. He's

687
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,679
really good. He was like a
character actor in the set. Yeah,

688
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:05,599
Yeah, he's fantastic. Yeah.
Oh and Charlotte Ramping, Yeah, it

689
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:10,360
was beautiful. She is she was
in a star. I can't remember the

690
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,719
movie. Woody Allen movie Star the
Light Memories or Stars Something Memories. It

691
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,639
was really good. Stardust Memories.
Stardust Memories. Ah man, I'm such

692
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:20,800
a big fan. I can't believe
I forgot it. I actually like that

693
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:27,239
movie, which is he's not considered
one of his best. I saw or

694
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,119
do you want to just do all
your movies? Dockham, I'm done?

695
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:37,920
Are you busy? I'm busy.
I saw two movies. One is called

696
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:42,239
Leave the World Behind, which I
think a lot of people are talking about.

697
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,840
It's a Netflix movie, which yeah, yeah, I'm watching it in

698
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,760
like half hour increments while i'm rowing. So I'm only through the first hour.

699
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,000
Okay, I'm not gonna there'll be
no spoilers. Then, okay,

700
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:00,159
thank you. But yeah, it
has Julia Roberts and Ethan Hawker, this

701
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,239
couple, Kevin Bacon's in it,
and I'm going to murder this guy's names.

702
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,199
But Maharashala Ali, oh yeah,
he's really good. He's great.

703
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:13,320
Yeah. Well, if I can't
spoil it for you, I think I

704
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,280
can really talk about it. But
like next week, Yeah, this is

705
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,239
one of those movies that it has
like a slow boil. I'd say,

706
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,000
right, A lot of mystery,
and I have to say I liked it.

707
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:29,639
And it's produced by the Obamas,
so I thought I would hate it

708
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:31,840
and it would be annoying, But
it was actually something I enjoyed. I

709
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,039
didn't think it was like great.
But is it just like a metaphor for

710
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,960
being online? I don't know I
thought about it that way. I just

711
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,239
it just seems like I'm like everything. I'm like, oh, this is

712
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,400
like about the problems of being online
too much. But go on, Well,

713
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,360
I just took it literally, you'll
see at the end. So I

714
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:54,159
just took it literally. I didn't
read any you know, subtext or anything

715
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:59,480
into it. I thought it was
fine. The stylistically, I like how

716
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,639
it's direct did and I thought the
acting was good. Then I saw a

717
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:10,159
movie called The Personal History of David
Copperfield. So it's based on the Dickens

718
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:19,119
novel. It's directed by another name
I'm gonna totally kill, but Armando Anucci.

719
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,000
I think it is. He's the
guy who did the Death of Stalin

720
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,519
and he did Veep and The Thick
of It. The Thick of It's one

721
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:29,719
of my favorite shows of all times. Yeah, it has deaf Pateell in

722
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,800
it, and the guy who was
in the thick of it, Peter Capaldi,

723
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,679
and just a bunch of English actors
Tilda Swinton. Swinton is that I

724
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,480
say it anyway. I enjoyed it
very much. I thought it was very

725
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,960
well done. I'm not really a
Dickens person in general, It's not something

726
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,719
I enjoy that much, but this
one I did. It was great,

727
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,519
and that is about it. I
did watch a little bit of this,

728
00:56:53,760 --> 00:57:00,000
so you know how I enjoy home
improvement shows and stuff and like flipping houses

729
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,519
shows, and I was watching this
one called home what's it called hometown?

730
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,320
Hometown? I think where this couple
Basically it's in Mississippi there they live in

731
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:16,039
and they just like help the town
so they'll like renovate the whole town.

732
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,920
And they're really nice people, it
seems to me. And I don't know,

733
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,840
sometimes I need something like a palette
cleanser after seeing all the horrible things

734
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,119
that go on in our politics and
all the horrible things that movies are about.

735
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,800
And it's a nice show. I
don't know what channel it's on,

736
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:38,199
so don't send me an email,
not HGTV. Oh do you watch the

737
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,719
show? No? I just know
because some of the ladies at Fox were

738
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,119
talking about it, So you're not
alone in liking Really me and the ladies

739
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,320
is a Fox a bunch of the
same stuff. That's great. I do

740
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,599
like I do, like myself a
good like house, flip and show.

741
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,960
So are you I know that you
don't mark Christmas personally, but do members

742
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,679
of your family do it? And
are you doing anything to prepare for that?

743
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,639
Or no? Can I say something
the other day? In my neighborhood,

744
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:14,159
this is on topic the everyone in
my new neighborhood where I live,

745
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,599
relatively new, everyone almost everyone goes
out and does they call them I've been

746
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,920
corrected, but this is what we
call them here, luminaries. So you

747
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:30,039
take like brownmarias, all right,
so luminarias, and the whole neighborhood does

748
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:34,079
the I'm just telling you, what
are you in a Hispanic neighborhood if I'm

749
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:38,880
no, not at all. We
did these growing up in No, not

750
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:45,599
growing up in California. Everybody did
luminari Are you like you put like the

751
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,519
light in the bag? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah. It was so cool,

752
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,840
beautiful, Oh everyone just all the
kids were out, just the whole

753
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,199
neighborhood. It was just such a
pleasure and growing up, I didn't have

754
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,440
anything like that, so it's nice
to to participate in something like that.

755
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:07,159
Frankly, it was more it's a
bigger deal here than Halloween, which I'm

756
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,679
not that crazy about. So it's
just nice, you know, to see

757
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:16,400
everyone participate in something that has something
at least to do with something positive.

758
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,480
So anyway, that was nice.
Now you know, I stayed at home.

759
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:24,480
Yeah, I mean, my family
celebrates Christmas and Hanukah's just over my

760
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:30,079
favorite Jush holiday. But thanks for
saying thanks for bringing that up, But

761
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:39,079
no family in our family we celebrate. So in Lutheranism, we follow a

762
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:45,239
liturgical calendar, so we just started
the church year at the end of November

763
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,719
and that puts us in the season
of Advent, where you spend four Sundays

764
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:57,360
prior to Christmas where you prepare for
the coming of your Savior. And then

765
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:01,880
Christmas is a twelve day sea in
that begins on Christmas Day and ends with

766
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,599
Epiphany or then the next season is
Epiphany. So you've heard like the twelve

767
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,719
day of Christmas, like that's a
cool song. It's a real season.

768
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:16,480
So we celebrate all twelve days and
since the kids were babies, we have

769
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:22,760
gotten them each a gift for each
day, which just gets like much more

770
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:29,400
difficult as they're older. And I
feel very good about this year's collection of

771
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,280
gifts, and I'm so excited for
the kids to open them, and I

772
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,880
hope that they are really really excited
by it as well. So doesn't everyone

773
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:42,840
every All Christians have or most Christians
have Advent? So I know that Roman,

774
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,039
Catholic and Lutheran and like Anglican do, but I don't know how much

775
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:49,719
they celebrate it in my art market, I should say so it's kind of

776
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:54,360
a solemn season or penitential season,
akin to Lent before Easter. And in

777
01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,840
our church we do special services and
special projects and things like that, and

778
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,320
a lot of people, I think, start celebrating Christmas itself around Thanksgiving and

779
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,599
then they stop on Christmas. And
I don't know if that's just the secular

780
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:14,480
world or those Christians who don't follow
the liturgical calendar, but it's kind of

781
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,920
weird because I don't do a lot
of partying and stuff like that prior to

782
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:21,880
Christmas, but then we're supposed to
do it in Christmas. So do you

783
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,400
do You stip a question, but
do you go to so do you do

784
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:29,039
like, well, that's Easter,
the midnight Mass, but do you do

785
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:30,599
like a Christmas Eve Mass and then
you go the next day as well.

786
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:37,639
Yeah, so this coming Sunday is
Christmas Eve, but Christmas Eve doesn't start

787
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:42,400
till nighttime. So we have Advent
four, which is the fourth Sunday of

788
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,800
Advent, at ten am. Then
we have lessons and carols at like five

789
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,079
pm, which is the early service
that the kids can go to. Then

790
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,280
we have the midnight Mass. Then
the next day, Christmas Day, we

791
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,559
have ten am, and I will
I call it hitting for the cycle.

792
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:06,519
If you every service, I will
be hitting for the cycle ten am,

793
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:09,239
five midnight, or we do ours
at eleven. It kind of ends at

794
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:14,639
midnight and then the next morning at
ten. So four services in twenty four

795
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,920
hours. It's good twenty five hours. God will be proud of you.

796
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,639
No, that's not how it works. But I also liked it. This

797
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,079
is kind of silly, but I
also like it. I keep it.

798
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,599
It's insane to go to all of
these. Probably it's not totally they're totally

799
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,920
different services. I don't even know
why I said it, but a lot

800
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,280
of people don't go to all the
services. But I like to keep track

801
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,880
of who has gone to all the
services, and then I like to be

802
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:43,880
like in that cool club of people
who have hit this hit for the cycle.

803
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:47,559
People who don't go are on the
naughty list. No, it's not

804
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,719
that at all. And there are
a lot of people who can't go because

805
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:52,639
they're they have children, or they're
old, or they're you know, like

806
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,440
or they just have other things.
So it's not I'm not like judging who

807
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,079
hasn't. I just like the people
who do it. I feel like keeping

808
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:04,719
lists comes with judgment. I think
those two things are attached. But okay,

809
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,679
now I'm just kidding. That sounds
nice. It sounds very like a

810
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,360
very religious Christmas, which is not
what most people seem to. So yeah,

811
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,119
it's we're very religious. And then
we're also German, and I think

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Germans really prioritize Christmas. I think
Switzans where like a lot of American traditions

813
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come from the German immigrants and stuff
like the Christmas tree, for instance,

814
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,280
is that true Christmas tree is a
German tradition? Yeah, it seems like

815
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an evergreen, so it would be
something Northern European. It is a widely

816
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,000
held belief. I don't know if
it's true, but it's a widely held

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,159
belief that not only are Christmas trees
German, but that they originated with Martin

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Luther himself. So interesting. That
is interesting. Now I am once I

819
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get off here with you, I'm
going right to the Wikipedia page to learn

820
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about Christmas trees because I'm like,
it seems like a big gap in my

821
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knowledge. We have one. Yeah, we used to go and buy,

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boring everyone to death. We used
to go buy them at the you know,

823
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like a fresh one at the lot. But now I just got a

824
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plastic one. Oh so, I
love the smell of the Christmas tree,

825
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and I just also love real things. And I think that one of the

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most confounding things is that my brother
has a plastic one, and I just

827
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don't get it, Like, how
can you be a member of our family

828
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and have a not real Christmas tree? For me, it gets all over

829
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the place, the cat goes in
there, she starts eating it. It's

830
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just the pain. The smell is
great, but I just I like just

831
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:44,760
having a ready made tree. Do
you guys have any kind of special ornament

832
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,360
thing that you do does everyone like
or is it just do you just throw

833
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,119
up some lights. The kids did
all the decoration of the entire house,

834
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which I was very pleased with,
and so they I would say, we

835
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,719
tend have religious ornaments also dealing with
smiths, and then a few other things

836
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too. My only thing I have
from my dad's mom, who died when

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he was young, is this ornament
that he always called Sholy. Her name

838
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,000
was Shirley. I don't know why
it's called scholy, and so like that

839
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:23,920
always means something to me. I
like just remembering arth and home, family,

840
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:27,320
you know, all that stuff while
we do it. But I throw

841
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,679
a I throw a Jews star thing
a majig in there to represent okay for

842
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,119
the tribe. But other than that, yeah, we have it like all

843
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:41,800
kinds of family. I mean.
The entire story of Bethlehem is a story

844
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of the tribe, which is interesting
considering that I'm often told online that Jews

845
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:54,199
have no real connection to that place, the cities they built and named in

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01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:59,360
the in the years before Jesus.
I got to go to Bethlehem this summer,

847
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:01,719
although I'm glad that i'd been there
before, because we had like a

848
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:06,639
horrible tour guide and we couldn't actually
go to the site you know. So

849
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:11,079
there's a church of the Nativity that
is built on top of the site where

850
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:14,719
Jesus was born, and they wouldn't
let us like down into the actual location,

851
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,760
which kind of bothered me. I
love that church. One of the

852
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,800
things that is interesting about that church
is it's one of the oldest in Christendom,

853
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:27,280
in part because they had this big
they had art on the wall of

854
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,559
the magi, and when the Persians
came to destroy all the Christian churches,

855
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,639
they kept that one because they thought
it was like a temple to them because

856
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:43,719
they were dressed like Persians. But
yeah, Bethlehem was great, and they

857
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,519
were there because they had to be
counted for the census, so they all

858
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,079
had to go to like their city
of their family, and that's the city

859
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:54,039
of David. And Jesus was born
in the family of David. And so

860
01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:00,159
the whole tree, the whole holiday
really represents the tribe. I would say,

861
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the fulfillment of the whole story.
I don't think that we should go

862
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,960
again into a theological argument. It's
really not my place anyway, but I

863
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,159
would say that I think there's probably
some great disagreement over that last part.

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01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:15,920
But I do enjoy the season,
and I hope you and your family have

865
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a nice and pleasant and religious Christmas. And we will be back next week.

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I'll tell them be lovers of freedom
and anxious for the pray