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Billy Cunningham, the Great America.
And this is Monday afternoon, of

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course Thanksgiving Day week, a lot
of stuff going on. Out of a

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good coming up later will be Tony
Benner's good friend Wayne Allen Root to talk

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about perspectives on the Trump Stern more. But until then I had on the

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other day Sergeant Dan Hills talking about
the main streets of Cincinnati now as opposed

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to thirty years ago when he began, and the quality the character is changing

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fundamentally, not necessarily for the better. About two or three months ago ahead

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on Ironetta Wright, who's a superintendent
of schools, that said that they have

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a forty nine or fifty percent chronic
absentee rate, and if it's block mails,

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it's closer to seventy percent or chronically
absent and that is relatable, I

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think to the mean streets of Cincinnati. What's happening? Because it's not good?

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And Brian Hammercourt, of course has
been out there for the past twenty

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five or thirty years, John London
and Curtis Fuller doing their best of reports.

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The three of them have about one
hundred years of reporting on the main

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streets of Cincinnati. And I find
Brian Hammock right now on Spring Grove Avenue

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outside of a Kroger and Brian Hamrick, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham,

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Jow and Brian. What are you
doing this afternoon on Spring Grove Avenue.

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Oh, well, it's another one
of these kind of crazy situations. You

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have this Kroger over here. Apparently
someone was carrying a basket of groceries out

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of the Kroger without paying, and
a security guard stopped to question them or

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whatever happened between the security guard and
this guy that got pulls out of gun

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and according to on the scene,
he fired one shot, attempted to fire

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another shot, but the gun jammed, couldn't get that shot off. Apparently

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they get this guy, he takes
off, they catch him not too far

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away near what he sand or Ford
over there, and they end up taking

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him into custody. And they've arrested
this guy. His names like Philip Dike.

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So this all still kind of breaking
as we speak right now. But

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it's just very fortunate the shot that
went off. And you know, here

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we are probably the busiest grocery store
shopping week of the year, in a

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very busy Kroger down here, and
he got a guy firing off a shot

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and then he tries to get another
shot off, but his gun jams.

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Like I said, fortunately it got
him, but then he could have but

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he could have been. We were
just talking some folks one second ago who

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had just shown up just after it
happened, and they're like, you know

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they'd taken a bus down. Is
that if our bus would have been just

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a little earlier, we'd been right
in the middle of it, to one

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woman with her grandson, and so
yeah, it's this is the kind of

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thing that's going on, and this
is just one of many that have happened

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here recently. And is this you
know, somebody tells me, yes,

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this has been going on for a
long time. But I'm watching a week

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ago the CEO of Target and every
now and then all shop at a Target,

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especially the one in Blue ash and
they got into what Joe Kernan on

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Squawk Box by the way, CNBC, who went to Santax High School and

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he talks about why don't you stop
more of these people? And he said,

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look what happens when you stop a
thief, someone wanting to loot,

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a burglar, whatever it might be, is worse than simply letting them go.

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And the comment was, well,
if you let him go, then

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the message is sent out that those
who are the petty thieves are going to

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get the word around. Well,
Kruger is not going to stop anybody,

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and therefore, or you can just
loot the store and nothing goes on.

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But on one hand, I get
what the CEO is saying, But this

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example this morning is exactly what the
target CEO is talking about. If Rodney

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McMullen, who the CEO of Kroger, if he could have gone back in

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time, he would have told that
security guard, don't bother, just let

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him go. You're damned if you're
doing damned if you don't. Right.

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Yeah, no, it's exactly.
That's exactly where you are. I mean,

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because you know what can you do
If you send that message then everybody

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just goes in, walks out and
takes whatever they want and goes out and

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they're well, they aren't going to
say anything to you. But if you

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stop them, you've got some you
know, folks that aren't round too tight,

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and they pull out their gun like
this thing today, and then you

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got a shooting. So you know, it's it's tough on these companies to

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try and and police this, and
you can't, you know, you can't

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have officers at every door. But
they had security here, and I guess

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they had questioned this guy or at
least ask him, hey did you pay?

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But you know, anything sets somebody
off now, and they've all got

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a gun. Fact that we're told
this guy had two guns, but he

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but he would only use one and
then he was then he took off and

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wash and was caught by by Cincinnati
police officers. So now he's facing years

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and years in jail because when you
shoplift or steal and in commission of that

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offense, you you have a gun
in your possession illegally, which in this

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case would be illegal to commit an
offense. Then you fire a shot.

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And Melissa Powers takes these things rather
seriously, so because there's a gun speck,

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he's going to spend at least the
next three years in state prison.

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And at this point and all the
security guard is doing, is trying to

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do his damn job to keep somebody
from stealing a bag of grocery is probably

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worth fifty dollars. And so that's
why you don't want to get involved,

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because if he get involved something bad, and that bullet didn't have a name

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on it, it could have killed
a little kid like that eleven year old

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boy. And uh, in the
West End, it could have been another

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terrible circumstance. You're damned if you
do and damned if you don't. Yeah,

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yeah, there's so much of these
things. You know. We just

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talked with the father of that eleven
year old the other night. Uh.

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The father's name is Isaac Davis.
Dominic Davis is the eleven year old.

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He says, you know, his
his son had just made the basketball team.

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He was so excited about that.
He went to school over at that

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academy really just across the street from
where all this happened. And he said,

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uh, you know, it was
just an eleven year old kid.

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He was out with some of his
friends. It was like only like nine

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o'clock. I mean it was dark
because of the time change, but he

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it was you know, he's just
out with his friends and you know,

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somebody runs by with basically what ends
up being uh, the sound was just

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like a machine gun. We got
the recorded shots off the shots botter and

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it was like pow powell, you
know, something like that. It was

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like the bulk of the bullets came
out in something like you would hear,

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you know, off of a machine
gun, like a kind of sound.

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So was not like somebody even pulling
and pulling a trigger. So these are

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the kind of weapons and when you're
fired them into a crowd and none of

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these guys can shoot that. None
of them hit whatever they're shooting at.

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They all hit something or somebody else. I've been to so many of these

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scenes where these guys you would think
if that was their their their trade and

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they took you know, pride and
their work as a gangster or whatever,

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they they'd be a better shot.
They can't hit anything, so the bullets

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go everywhere and they end up hitting
everybody and anybody usually but the person they're

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aiming at. And so uh,
it's uh, we've had a bunch of

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those, and then we've had the
one like the guy that was shot on

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the uh Western Hills Viaduct. Not
well just so a week or so ago.

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So he is coming on a Western
Hills viaduct, driving across like six

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' twenty in the morning. Somebody
opens fire on his car. There's bullet

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holes all over it, and police
are telling us it looks like a case

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of mistaken identity. They end up
killing a guy who came here from northern

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India to study here. He's an
academic wizard. The guy was apparently a

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brilliant scientist, was working at a
doctorate from through uc at Children's Hospital.

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And oh, well, we got
the wrong guy. And there's many more.

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There's another woman in the same area
there going seventy four, getting on

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seventy five, elderly woman. Somebody
opens fire on her car. Now,

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you know, usually this woman was
I think in her eighties. Most of

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those folks aren't a lot involved in
a lot of gang activity. No,

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you know, so sure she wasn't. She ends up getting shot a number

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of times. They haven't arrested anybody
in either of those cases. Now,

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the coppers tell me, I talked
to Sergeant Dan Hills who made some inquiries

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of a homicide and they have nobody
there even looking looking at and they're looking

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for some of the cameras to see
if they have the vehicle they have.

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They may have something identified but not
specifically, and they're scratching their head on

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this one with Dominic Davis, who
was not involved in criminal activity at the

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age of eleven. And the weapon
itself had to be made automatic by a

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couple of minor changes, which anybody
can do to their to their weapon if

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they want to. So that's already
illegal to have automatic weapons. There's no

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military style weapons that are legal today
because automatic weapons are illegal. But if

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somebody takes illegal weapon and makes it
illegal, I don't know how you stop

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somebody from doing that. And it's
inexplicable how someone can shoot at a group

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of boys and kill and wound.
And then with this UC student from northern

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to India, I can only imagine
how excited his family was to get him

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to America, the home of the
Free and the land of the brave.

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And this kid, I'm told is
doing quite well academically. He would probably

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stay here and he's dead. Throw
on top about the woman should throw on

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top of out the the Kroger shopper
this morning, and we got Mayhem.

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Man, this is starting to sound
like Chicago for God's sakes, well,

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a lot of bullets flying for you
know, no good reason. Just you

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know, the folks that are that
are doing this have a total disregard and

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a lot of these cases and you
know some of these cases and uh,

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what they what they've seen is uh, you know, you've got a lot

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of young kids involved in these things
and they got you know, I've talked

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to these guys who you know,
kind of made their way on the streets

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years ago and they're older now and
kind of see the wisdom and they tell

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me they go the most dangerous folks
are these young are these young kids,

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and they they don't you know,
they get a gun and they do not

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they do not care. You know, they just don't care. Uh,

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and you know it. You can
get into the anatomy at all, but

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you know this is one of the
brain's not quite developed, the decision making

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brains not developed yet. And you've
got kids this age who are now with

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guns and they watch, you know, their heroes are these gangsters and guys

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with money. And you know,
it's funny because none of these folks ever

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end that they never have anything.
They don't have anything. They might have

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a car one day, but they
don't have any they're not in a nice

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house or anything. They got this
lifestyle and that's all they got. And

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they make that sound so good to
these other folks through the music and through

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everything else that they they hear in
their neighborhood. And somehow they get them

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in like a you know, like
a Manson or a Jim Jones would into

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their cold of this violence and convince
these kids who are impressionable and uh.

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And before anybody else can get to
them, or more powerfully than anyone else

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can get to them, now they're
dug in and they believe this like it's

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their doctrine, like almost like a
religious doctrine, and they believe this and

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they believe it with everything, so
it's hard to get them out there like

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a cult. And this is what
happens. And now they get younger and

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younger and they can't make decisions,
and now they got guns running around,

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and this is what you know,
we see it not just Cincinnati, but

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everybody's seeing this, but we're seeing
our share of it here in Cincinnati.

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It was either you or John Lin
that had on this woman that talked about

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if they're in this lifestyle, if
they don't get out by the time they're

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fourteen or fifteen years old, then
they're lost. That a few make it

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out, but the great majority don't
make it out. And this is not

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the way it was twenty thirty forty
years ago. I'm sorry, we didn't

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have twenty five to thirty shots fired
in the city of Cincinnati. Fortunately only

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about four hundred hits somebody. And
this is not the way it used to

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be. And you bring it up. It's a great point that if you're

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in this lifestyle from the time you're
twelve, thirteen, fourteen, if you

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don't get out within two or three
years, you have no high school education,

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you have no marketable skills, you
have contact with the juvenile court system,

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in which case your path is set
and it's going to end up somewhere

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at Levenworth or Lucasville goes. You
can't get out one way, horizontal or

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prison. That's it. Yeah,
Well, and here's the other. Here's

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the other possibility. And I talked
to a woman a while back. I

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never did do this story, and
I really wish I would have at some

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point, and maybe maybe I will
in the future. Uh So, because

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that's what you know. When they're
young, and they're like they're like these

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old, like you know, civil
war type folks when they went off the

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war and the glory of war and
I'm going to get in there and you

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know, uh, killed the other
side or whatever, and it's going to

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be glorious. Well, the reality
of the war something completely different, you

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know. And they finally about the
time we got the Vietnam and we brought

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the TV cameras in there, people
started to realize this is not know like

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we had imagine in our minds,
you know, of some glorious you know,

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I take a shot at arm and
and I fight on and you know,

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it worked like that. People die
of disease, people get paralyzed,

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people as dysenteries. What killed most
people in disease and and uh and the

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glory cutting off legs and all that. It didn't, you know, it

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didn't occur to people that this is
what the reality of war is about and

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not not some glorious you know battle
somewhere. Uh, And this is what's

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happening here. They've driven him by
glory and how wonderful this is because everything

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they see and their music and their
buddies and their people that are influencing them

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or or you know, they're like, oh, look at this man.

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He's got the money, he's got
the drugs, he got all his girls,

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and the respective of the other the
fear of other people in the neighborhood

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or something. But those guys live
in fear. They live in fear that

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they might die. Every day.
They're living in fear. And there's nobody

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really getting to these kids in a
way that's making sense to them. And

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the story I wanted to do was
a guy. It was weird because I

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got a hold of this woman by
accident. It was weird because he said

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it was It was just bizarre that
I called her and I said, I

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was talking to somebody, was trying
to get a hold of somebody about violence.

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She goes, oh, I know
about violence on the streets. And

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I said, oh, how's that. She goes my son. My son

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was into that. I'm like,
really, I said, what happened.

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He goes, well, well,
he got shot. I said, oh,

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I'm sorry. Did he die?
No, No, he didn't die.

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It was worse. You know,
he got from like the neck down.

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And now his mom. The guy
was like thirty some years old and

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for the last eight or ten years. His mom had had to spoon feed

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him every bite that he ate,
had to wipe his butt, had to

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do everything for this guy that's not
in their life little culture, you know,

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their little meetings that they talk about
and show these guys these things that

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wasn't in there. That you either
die or you go to prison. No,

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you can get paralyzed and your mom
could be spoon feeding you, or

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your grandma or somebody like that from
here on out. That those kinds of

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messages don't get out there. You
know, you're wounded and you can't you

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can't barely walk for the rest of
your life, or something like that.

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When these machine guns go off,
they don't care. They go right through.

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And the high speed, the velocity
of these things when they go in,

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they pulverize organs when they go through. It's it's not really the gun

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shot anymore. Speed of the weapon
and when that thing goes through the bullet,

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the speed of the bullet it goes
through. It just liquifies things that's

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that are in its path and around
it. So you get shot in the

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in the in the side of the
chest, well, your lungs will be

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affected, your kidneys, anything you
know. So it's these bullets are incredibly

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devastating and the effects aren't just well, I gotta I gotta patch me up,

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doc or go back in. It
don't work like that much anymore,

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you know, Brian, I say, you see it. It'd be good

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if some of these young gang bangers
could be brought to that guy's hospital bed

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in his mother's home to look at
his life and say, this is what's

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going to happen if you don't get
out of this lifestyle. Brian Hammrick could

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talk with you. I know you're
on the main streets of Cincinnati. At

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least they apprehended this morning. The
security guard came within an inch of his

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life of being murdered. And I
would imagine the security guard right now is

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looking for some other line of work. Brian Hamrick, once again, between

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you and London and Curtis Fuller,
one hundred years of repertorial experience, and

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keep doing what you're doing. As
long as God gives you breath in your

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body. No one is better out
than Brian Hamrick of the power of five

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and thanks againing mister Cunningham. Back
at it all right, let's continue now,

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that would be interesting. It's not
just a funeral. Sometimes living is

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worse than dying. Let's continue with
more. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven

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hundred WW. On the football field, talent comes in all shapes and sizes,