I remember that night when we had our experience when we interrupted that deer drive
and one of the fellas saw one out the corner of his eyes. Both
these boys they're they're not they're they're tough boys, you know, they're they're
they're country boys, and they're they're smart. And the white wide eye and
I've only seen him scared like this twice. We come back. He's got
a fire going, and he's got every going out loaded, every rifle,
every shotgun, huge fire blaze and just warrant. We're talking about what happened,
you know, the train knocks all this stuff. And I asked,
It's like, okay, guys, what do you think we're dealing with?
All three of us at the same time. It was like the submission of
guilt a big Foot. I'd like to welcome Todd to Bigfoot Crossroads. So
you got some exciting stuff going on. Man, you're up in New York,
Western New York. You said, yes, yep, I live up
Lake Ontario, Apple Country, but I hunt the southern tier of New York.
And you know, people have a different vision of New York, and
good lord, we are nothing like that other New York. I mean it's
different worlds. Yeah in ways and no very well agriculture and the further south
ego. I mean, it's a awful lot of forests, and then you
start getting into the Appalachian Plateau. Then you start getting into the Footbills,
and along the southern tier of western New York, it's you know, the
forest is all coming back and a lot of those hilltops are plateaus sheared off
by the glaciers and that's where the farms are. But it's all those tons
of valleys and ravines, places where people just don't go anymore. An occasional
hunter, but people don't hunt like they used to. Plus in New York,
I think our state bird is a posted sign and so access is hard.
I just I'm finding more and more places that surprise me. That not
saying I've seen the creatures myself in all these places. But you know how
it is with these things. You don't the tree twist or the structures.
Yeah, some of that can be explained, but you know what, after
a while, you can start reading it just like any kind of animal that
you're hunting, and it it's the same tavern, it's the same thing.
You know, I found this habitat and then heard the the Ohio Howell that
was just south of Syracuse. And it's actually on a date with a girl
that did grizzly bear research in Alaska and looks at me, what's that And
it's like she's a doctor. By the way, I can't let my crazy
out of the box yet. It is. But you know that nest or
bed that I found and collected, I did show her some of that stuff
in that group scat and I showed it to her. Didn't say what it
was. She's looking at that's not bare, that's not fair. What are
you saying that is? I didn't dare say anything. Yeah, you're the
bear expert, that's what is it? Yeah? Yeah, And it struck
her interest, especially when there was an Ohio howl and this was on the
state land again. Actually it was near the Oneida Indian Reservation, but you
know south of that Bingmerton Elmira, Ithaca. Well, actually it blows my
mind with Cornell University that does that McCall was it the McCall's. Yeah,
the hill there that I've researched by since twenty eleven and I haven't had a
sighting, but you know, I've had tracks all sorts of things. The
calls and stuff, say, well, across the valley is the I think
it's Robert Treeman State Park, but that's where they're still doing the surveys of
these bird calls and such. Because I would drive around up there and they
have some signs of the study areas and that there's recording mics. Well,
sometimes would I would do this call where if I had a couple of guys
with me, basically replicating the Ohio hollse. So when I run out air,
I kind of tapped the guy next to me to continue with his Oh
you know, there's three of us. So it's really long. And right
from the area that Cornell does is studying, that howl comes back. And
so you're gonna get on Google Earth. How are these things crossing Hardy crossing
that valley? And you know, sure enough you can you can find those
creeks with that hydro. And now I got to find the bridge they can
go under. Sure enough, found a bridge and I climb under it and
don if there wasn't boulders under it or something with a bigger butt than mine,
you know, clean the pebbles off, so it could sit down and
cover and it's like, you know, if they move from hill to hill
unseen, and that's I guess some amazing skills. So did you grow up
in that area? Uh? Yeah, pretty much here Apple Country. Yeah,
and uh, always looking for my own hunting land, the acreage.
And that's how a lot of this started. Besides, you know, loved
finding Bigfoot and of course going back to in search of and and I'm definitely
an explorer. I love my bogus adventures and just figuring stuff out on big
Hunter, and love finding fishing camps. And you know how people, archaic
people made a living, you know, and survived. A lot of that
transfers the Bigfoot as well. It's a lot of the same needs. And
then thinking from a primitive hunter perspective of being a bull hunter, well it
really makes you work for things and it's been a lot of fun and the
you know, you put that skill set together. And so I hooked up
with a timber company and you could lease some of their their land reasonably,
can set up a camper and touch on it and have yourself a few hundred
acres affordably. And got this guy to give me a list of these areas
available. Well, you know you want to you want to be able to
walk them scout it out. And I asked, hey, can I take
my four wheel er to speed things up? So I was covering a lot
of tracks of land and at that time was when less job. We just
love that show was on with Todd standing and learned more about the structures.
Well, as we're out there doing this scouting all this acreage in the southern
tier Holy count we weren't seeing this stuff. Then we started running into things.
And then I found a hunting lease south of Wellsville, a cattle farm
that's up on one of those big hills and they're not that big of a
hill, I think like twenty five hundred foot elevation, but you know it's
it's beautiful, and it's it's dense. I mean, a couple thousand people
in the town, a lot of Amish men of night, that's just agriculture
and at least this property. And I remember my son saying, Dad,
aren't you glad we're not seeing he sign a big foot up here? Yes
I am. Yeah, we ate those words. And this place was really
neat. So it borders Pennsylvania state line New York south of Wellsville, Allegheny
County, and it's a one road up ends at this farm and the old
family homestead. Nobody lives up there. There's no power, and so the
farmer just goes up there a couple times a week to check on his cattle.
And really, so I don't even know how many acres I still haven't
step foot on all that. And that was twenty fourteen. On a bull
hunt. I decided to hunt this huge ravine closer to the edge where we
had tree stands because you know, especially our treaty, you hit it deer,
they always go downhill and this is something that man, you just that
without help and young strong help decided to hunt it. And uh yeah we
interrupted. Uh they're organized deer drive absolutely, you know. And uh the
communication the whoops and you know, we're all texting each other back and forth
and what it sounds like a big footbooll and I'm like, no, it's
just somebody's bagal bawling in there, and it's the valley and it's manipulating the
sound. But it does sound like a whoop. And then they're coming closer.
Then they're starts sounded like six hundred pounds owls communicating to one all.
You know, when the wind wind would blow, then it would lay down
and then there'd be the rock clacking back and forth. And we're spread out
like five hundred yards between us, kind of in this linear line, each
experiencing something. And yeah, we're hunting the edge of this overgrown pasture and
you're coming there for the same thing, and you know, analyzing it later,
you know, you look at the prevailing wind, the thermos, the
covers, all the elements are there. If if I was early man,
I wanted to, you know, get the maximum yield for the lowest risk,
the maximum benefit at least amount of calories that you know, and you
had friends that you could communicate with. This place was just set up for
a deer drive because up on top of the hell this is up where we'd
have her toy hauler. It was a machine shed and he stored this huge
inventory round pals for the cattle over the Winner. Well the deer yard up
there, especially over Winner. So now it focuses concentrates the deer, which
therefore would make sense to concentrate these creatures, and it allows them approach from
a wooded side a concealed way, prevailing winds always in their face, and
they and there's many reasons why I've drawn these conclusions of because of boy,
if this was my woods, and you know you can hinge cut trees and
you can sort of funnel and nudge deer where you want to go if it's
to your benefit. Well, that's what this place looks like. And I
would I've been studying this since fourteen at this place, and if I really
would love to have a drone one in the winter so that each spring I
could analyze the difference of these trees because some are carryons, some are pushdowns,
some of them are naturally come down, but I think that they're moved
because ultimately it keeps funneling. I think it's down to this lower part where
people aren't and it's a barbed wire. The cattle don't go down there a
lot, and there is these three four points. Since twenty fourteen, I
continue to collect hair suspect hair off of those locations, not anywhere else,
all the miles of farm there, and I all run it with the side
by side and check. I mean, well, you can't look for hair
run it. You got to be pretty slow. But all the same points,
and what makes sense with all those points, they all give an advantage
to a predator with all those benefits, like I was saying, and ambush
element, and so ultimately works down to where the spring comes out of the
pasture, starts eroding, getting deeper, and it gets to the edge of
that valley where it truly drops off. Well, it creates this like a
hole. I mean that's fifteen twenty feet deep, probably forty feet across,
and on the end of that the fence was double stacked there to create a
wall. Well, they nudged these creatures, the creatures, excuse me,
nudge the deer down to that, and I referenced that as the kill box,
and that's where they can close the hunt and all sorts of cobble,
you know, missiles of opportunity. You're you know, deer are burst animals,
so they're not like man's more of a long distance runner. You're a
burst so you can wear them out. And there is these couple ambush points.
And it's just like I don't know if you hunted, but back in
the day, the seventies and eighties, especially being the young guy, you'd
beat the dog going through the bush, you know, doing the a deer
drive and set up in strategic locations. And that's essentially what this was,
and it's what we experienced with what we were hearing so on and so forth,
and you know, I talked to the farmer about it, and he's
real. I know he has more experience than what he's telling us. Well,
in fact, the first night there paid for the least for the season
and setting up to toy Holler and my son's making a fire. I'll put
some venison burgers on and say to the fellas like, hey, stay for
a venison burger. And he's going over getting this struck. Oh no,
I'm out of here before dark. And I'm like what And he's on a
mission, you know, he's out of here before dark and a real no
nonsense sky And I got these seventeen eighteen year old boys with me that I'm
responsible and wrestling with the door like you know, opening closet. What what?
What? Why aren't you telling me? I didn't know? If?
Yeah, grow up, moonshine, meth lab water, Yeah, what happens
at dark? Yeah? Yeah. The place just freaks me out. The
funny sounds, strange lights which I've asked him about They said, you never
saw the lights before, but that one stuck in my head, and so
he kind of had me off foot and I remember pulling the door out of
my hands, slamming it clothes like he won the contest and cracked a smile
and he punched that diesel and he was out of there. It's like,
oh, well, yeah, it was just a couple of weeks later.
Yeah, all the above. He's had several close black panther sightings there and
historically went back. I mean I actually talked to his sister that picking berryes
up there had almost face to face with one, and that was in the
seventies. And I love that mystery as well. Yeah, that's a big
one here as well. Yeah, yeah, isn't that something. Yeah,
they don't exist. And I found some various suspect cat tracks. Actually I
was up there with a girl that's from of her girlfriend and she found them.
She actually did really well. She found a set of when I found
these here, but of course each time far enough away without casting material.
The thumb and the two knuckle prints and they've been you know, quadruped or
actually each of these they're down in the position to drink water. And you
know when you see these prints, they look half like an out track,
but that thumb coming off and you'll see a left in the right and the
gas wall up there. I always check those because sometimes they dump some of
that. I guess it's like some kind of a saltwater compound and animals will
come to that like a saltlet. And that's where I found them. But
again I used up my casting material on a different cast, and I got
pictures he had all for myself. Can't convince anybody. If anybody's listening,
I hope they're taking notes, because because you're you've already dropped several gems that
I agree one percent with. And one of those things is out here in
Oklahoma we have quite a bit of like oil and natural gas wells, big
well country. In case anybody didn't know that, some of those old storage
tanks and well sites are good locations to go look at. And you mentioned
the salt water, that's what it was. Yeah, Brian, anytime you
have a place where there's some sort of natural salt lick or mineral deposit,
that's also a great place to go and look for tracks and signs of these
creatures absolutely, and right near that one it was really interesting to me was
there's an old maple sugar shack there, you know, with the evaporator,
and in this place had all the sugar roads and I went in there and
cleared them with my tractor and anyways, quite an extensive operation. So I
suspect they were doing this to the forties and fifties. And we're up there
one August and there the men. Some wicked storms come to there, and
I wanted to get out of that woods before I came down on us,
and we happed the truck to get out in the open. Lamarrow take my
chance in a diesel, you know, and made me think, you know
what, I want to go. Look at that sugar shack which is right
near the scanswell and has a pea gravel floor. Now when you walk in
this place, it's all overgrown. So when you basically saplanes didn't grow up
because of the eaves of the building. So you know, when I walk
along, my shoulders along the side of the you know, rubbing on the
building as I walk along, and then the saplanes grow up and let's got
all this pea gravel floor and the front side of it towards the driveway.
It's got a couple of planks, boards pulled off, and I would call
it a murderer. You know, there was a fewer sniper. You know,
you could be in there and watch somebody come by. And the door
is off the back, and you know, and the doors it's just a
doorway. Sure enough, there's this compression, not like deer. And when
deer go over the same place, they really they muck it up, they
dig it in something. Yeah, well some of the gun is. We
didn't find a big track in that pea gravel, and we casted it,
but it was it was tough to see. But to me, what I
really liked about it showed the foot flexing over this tree route that had grown
up over it, so like I didn't know my foot wouldn't bend that way,
would bend like your hand. And then by that murder hole where those
boards were were footprints maybe the size of mine. But there's sunk down like
two three inches in this pea gravel, so something a couple hundred pounds.
There is no way in heck you walk there and well, before I go
to too much weird, this is one of them. So we're casting those
tracks, so oh to tie us back to the storm, I'm sorry,
made me think about would these creatures use this, you know during a line
squall? And yeah, I believe so, and I think that they were
absolutely just using it because that's that first smell. I haven't had that,
and everybody talks about that smell, like boy, it was like we bit
right into it and cruise by on the ATV and it's just like you bit
into it, turned around, came back, you bite into it and then
it's gone again, and you know, just like everybody describes it. Of
course, its in front of the sugar shack, and while we're in there
casting these things now mixing the stuff up, just randomly turned to my body.
It's like, yo, Bigfoot could be on that outside of that wall,
right there, looking through on these cracks, looking at me, going
what's with this guy? And infatuation with my feet you know, yeah,
yeah, we're joking about that. Well, the gear that I needed,
I felt was with me. He would go out that where those boards were
pulled off. He duck under and it was you know, a shorter walk,
and he'd go out to the ATV and there's a ditch to cross,
and he'd be bringing stuff back and forth for me. And well, I
had this big set of whoppers, so I wanted to cut that tree route
to include it when I lifted that cast. So as he's walking in,
he's just carrying those whoppers and just just see how they worked. He just
snipped a couple of the small saplings as he walked several steps harvest that cast.
But I come out the back door and walking along under the eve,
my arm shoulder right against the building and the saplings. There's like this starburst
glyph right in my walkway, made with other sticks and made with those saplings
that he just cut. That he just cut off the tree. Uh huh.
It was made when we were in there, and it was right out
the spot where I made that joke in it made me feel like who was
really the thinker of the thought? And you know, we can start down
the bigfoot weird now, I mean, yeah, that's that's pretty strange,
isn't that? Yeah? And then the funny part too, because I started
videotaping, but of course I didn't get it out quick enoughs soon as I
just before I hit it fellas with me. Dave I'm like, hey,
Dave, did you see this? And he's working his way over. He
he only walked past that once and that was hours ago, and he was
going in and out the hole. And as soon as he walked up and
we both looked down at that glyph in the ground bow, there was a
tree knock and I'd hit the record button just the second after that would have
been cool to capture that. But and in the same location. He used
to be a gate up there, and so two and a half hour drive
down there. Boys fall asleep, you know, walk to the truck,
pull up and tell my son, Hey, can't get out, open the
gate. I'll drive through. Close it. Well, he's like seventeen at
this point, and you know, you get your favorite hat. He's into
girls, so he's you know, funny about you know, you get the
hat hair and where's my hat? I don't know, just get us through.
It's somewhere right here. We never found that hat. We looked crazy
for it, I mean, like neurotically all weekend. It was special to
him. A week later, coming down here, pull up to that gate
again, Hey Mason, wake up, open the gate. As soon as
the cab light came on the hat was rolled up like in a way of
being like presented and on his feet like presented. And he immediately he sees
he turns and punches me, you know, like dad, and it's like,
would I play prank on my son? Yes, but I heard him
like that with his favorite hat for a week so last year at this time.
I don't think I'm at liberty to say, but the part of the
documentary up there with a fellow that's tired sure detective breaks a series of books,
okay, and very well known, very well known for his series for
sure. Yes, yeah, I'm not under an NDA. It's just I
was asked not to and I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And
uh there does some b roll down at this place. It was just beautiful,
perfect for it using a drone. I was never near that drone.
I kind of ran like interference, just keeping people from curious because you know,
when the cameras come out and stuff like that. And I didn't really
think of this role, but one of the producers said that, yeah,
I was the guide, outfitter, fixer and security guard. And that's a
long story that I will tell you privately. But boy, you never know
what's going to happen where and sometimes it's people. It's not the things in
the woods, it's the people in the woods, oh for sure. Yeah,
not even near that. And they were going back to the hotel to
do something. Well, there's an experiment that I wanted to deploy out there,
and it's something I was doing with Doug high checking. You gave me
the idea of lexand sheets, smoke, you know, something shiny, because
I have another study site where I'm getting all these handprints from, and it's
a tinted glass from the camper window. And also I had a friend that
came down there with me and just a couple months prior, and she perfectly
cleaned super rub but by tim black tiny windows. We're driving up the hill
with the dust. We're gone, and now we come back her cars covered
with these hands prints and with that perfect coat of dust. So that's kind
of where the hamprints started. So Doug Hichack had that idea. So I'm
putting these in that sugar shack, deploying around the woods, and while this
camera crew of them go off to do whatever they had to do. I
had a little bit of time to go deploy these, So where they were
doing the b roll at probably four miles road miles straight line of sight a
couple of miles, but you're talking some serious terrain to cross. And as
I'm cognitively driving up this hill, I'm trying to be efficient with or am
I going to deploy these because pretty good ditches off the side of each roll
and we're on each side of the road, and been where and why I
want to put these sheets? And the first stop it's like scree by the
sugar shack and a component, so it's already pictured my mind, and I
pull up, shut the truck off. You know this kind of place.
I leave the truck right middle of the road, and I go to open
the truck door. So it's a it's a thirty five hundred, it's a
good sized truck. And I look down at the ground. There's something in
a plastic case. And I watched the road when I drive up there because
a lot of sharp rocks, and I've replaced more tires on ATVs and trucks
up there. You know, was I watched where my wheels are rolling?
Because it gets expensive and it sucks seven flats. It's like I didn't see
this and it was right where I was premeditated going to stop when I opened
my truck door. I mean, if I didn't watch what I was doing,
I gallo the truck and I'd step right on it. So it's just
like a lens and a plastic case. I snapped a picture of it,
so what the heck is it? And it says VGI on it. Oh
it goes to a drone. Sure well, And I held on to it,
you know, and did what I had to do. A couple hours
later, camera crew comes up and there's four of them in that vehicle,
and I knew that's where the drone was and they hadn't had he used the
drone there, you know what I mean? I figured out one must have
just fallen off. Somebody sat on top of the vehicle, right, you
know, there was an explanation for it. And I had stopped in the
spot and go here you guys lost this. I wish I had a camera
going to see it. Looks on their face because there were slack jab looking
at each other. Well, apparently they were sweating it because somebody else's drone.
As the way I got it when they were shooting that b roll and
when I had left they were. I wasn't even near them. They were
within my sight, but they were just landing the drone and such the you
is that lens to shoot that footage. The lens got up on the hill
and beat you there. Yes, and they were actually worried because they were
late, because they looked like twenty minutes for that lens. I mean,
what's going on? All this is like within sight of each other, like
you know, the strange hat thing, the that glyph being made while on
the other side of this wall, and you know, these old barns can
stand inside them on their light outside you could actually see somebody walk along because
of you you know, the woods dried up, shrunk, and there's you
know, cracks of light. It just and right next to that is this
uh view that I have that is not viewable from anywhere else, but it's
consistently these balls of light. And this is what's really struck me my last
trip down there into my other site down in pa is the science is all
about to being able to repeat things. Now I'm not saying I can repeat
this, but I am. Every time I go to these places to collect
my hair from the killbox area, to see the balls of light in the
other place in Pennsylvania, Alleghany National Forest to collect the ham prints. They're
there every trip, every trip. Now balls of light are getting hard to
see because I started recording that that was first som in fourteen, but I
got the night vision in twenty. We really got some good stuff and we're
just there at the right time. There was a little bit of a moonlight,
there was a little snow. Just really let that ir go further out
and consistently in the same area that you can't be viewed from any other hill.
That's the same way, a similar way. It's never the same,
but it's similar. But now with the foliage and the undergrowth taken off because
it was logged in fourteen very selectively, but you know, it opens up
the canopy. So when eller Fella was there, he was there because some
of the footage I have, and I was telling him it's like it was
it was in June, yeah, last year, and I was telling him
it's like foliage is how I can't promise because we're just looking through this wall
of green ray and so here's some of the observations that are so interesting there.
So these balls of light, I'll set up on this curve. They
will not come out until twenty thirty minutes after sunset, but just before it's
truly dark. They appear in the similar areas of similar acreage, you know,
the certain side of the hill, not the exact spot. And I've
been interested in those because I thought it was an interesting geological anomaly which I've
been unable to explain. But here's my observations. With the time that they
come out consistently, never see them during the day. They look like somebody's
striking a bead of a MiG welder, and you know, like you're looking
at somebody MiG welding, and it's what you hear everywhere else is these things
appear to be intelligently moving through the forest, going around trees. But the
intensity of light is crazy. However, it doesn't like illuminate the forest or
as it comes past the tree, it just gives a slight ambient light.
Now sometimes it will illuminate the entire area, but that's real, real,
rare. And I've been down there every month of the year, and you
know, right now, it's really hard. And when I was there with
that camera crew, that was why I was trying to get their ahead,
because I got some pretty big ladders and I was just gonna I had them
fasten the bed in my truck. Try to put a camera guy up there
that tried to see over the foliage, and that didn't work either, but
had to try. But the interesting observations with these lights are I would have
the I R night vision running, I'd have a fleer, I'd have my
iPhone twelve promacs. And then there's the human eye. Well, the night
vision seeing the same location with the ball of light is seeing five balls of
light. Camera might be seen too. My eye may only see one of
them, so in the flear I've gotten none of them on the floor,
but it may be too far for the flear right for you to read.
So obviously, within each one of these items, you know, the human
eye, the camera, the ir it you know reads the light differently.
But what it does tell me these things are working definitely in the eye are
spectrum, and I know that after the sunset there's something that changes with the
eye. Are spectrum and light rays around this part of the earth. I
can move the gear closer to these lights because what's between us is this logging
landing and where you know, they load the timber trucks and the yard the
stuff in up for whatever, and so I can set the cameras up there.
The lights will never come, will never be there. I'll pack everything
up, you know, give it a couple hours. I'll go back up
to the curve, which would be like two hundred yards away. Lights will
come right back out. I've done it repeated. We've left the gear running
and left the hill with a digital recorders. And you know the diesel,
especially Cummings, it has a certain drone that kind of picks up further and
stuff will turn off about like eleven or nine minutes after we leave, and
we'll go down and get coffee, and we come back like an hour later.
The files will restart about nine or eleven minutes before we get back,
and you'll hear my truck come back up. I do not know how the
uh how that the files even stop and start. And meanwhile they captured nothing
while we were there. How far away are they from, like the curve
area twenty yards And I've driven over to where they appear, and I've walked
it, and the only one thing that I found was a really really interesting
tree structure that again looked like an asterisk, treep starburst. That's about the
location where they start. It all kind of comes together. It's it's the
same study and of the water systems why they would be somewhere, and it
all comes back around and well even with these lights. So this is the
other thing that I'm finding there is besides some karens, there's like some things
that are like celestial alignment. There was some copper that was mined out of
there. There were some battles at and this is kind of like the Western
Gate for the Senecas because you know strategic features, but do you happen to
know if there's any horts in the ground around there? Oh yeah, oh
yeah, And it had all the right elements. The other thing I learned
too, the creek that's right at the bottom of this ravine where you know
they were doing this organized deer drive out of confirmed through the DC. It's
it is one of the natural work trout streams, but it's inaccessible because of
the physical location. And back to the posted property, well, the guy
at least is from me. He's the one that posted. So you know,
there's your your your higher brain food. The deer yarding up is crazy.
And again it's inventory at the uh and where those bells are sitting and
those round balls. The deer they just it's like a cave on the other
end that you could crawl into. And you know, when you rap up
there in the winter, the deer do not move off because their only choices
are tough and it just it all makes sense. Part I forgot that was
really interesting about the killbox. Talking to the farmer, getting him to open
up about some of these things, and and uh, he told me a
story about uh, when he took the family farm over, it'd only been
crop farmed and hadn't been any you know, cattle or anything on in a
long time. So he got one hundred and eighty five sheep, you know,
really good at cleaning that stuff up, clean up the headgerows, And
in a short period of time he had to take the five or six remaining
sheep market. He lost one hundred and eighty head in a very short time.
Wow. And in that killbox, now at this point I didn't know
it was the one in the same location. He was telling me about the
gruesome task it was of cleaning these dead bodies out of because hes afraid somebody
was going to turn them into animal control, and all like piled up were
that fence, that double fences and right into that kind of like that hole.
So something funneled them in there, and there hadn't been any cattle on
there in decades. And we'll come to find out further conversation with them.
It's the one in the same spot. Now he's run there's been some changes.
He's run a fence parallel to that. And what's really interesting that I
observe is how they continue to manipulate and take advantage of what's already existing and
manipulate what's there with some of these tree falls and carryons and creating this funneling
system. So where that was one of the let's call it a wall to
box, something in's changed it a little bit, the dynamics and how something
has adapted to that and doing the same thing. But just the final close
is a little bit different, and there is and it keeps evolving and I
keep documenting it. It reminds me. I call it hasty works boys,
and I we used to do Civil War reenacting, and it'd be what Cil
War soldiers would do quickly to throw up a hasty works of logs, tree,
these limbs and stuff, and it's this parallel line that works at the
advantage of the wind. And just behind that is the barboyer fence. And
again it's under the hemlocks and that barboys fence. The way I see it
is that something wanted to come out of cover quickly. It doesn't want to
make a lot of noise, so walking on hemlock, pine needles, plus
the canopies taller, they just hop over that fence and then they get into
the position behind this blind as the others close in and I continue to when
I was with this other fellow, the author was showing them this cobble that
I keep an eye on this that you know, when I picked this cobble
up off of leaves, that cobble should have leaves on it. There's missiles
of opportunity and they're they're closing it right there. So at this point I
continue to find nice flesh tags of you know, twelve sixteen inch long hair,
so it's you know, your standard all burn black. There's this blond
one last couple of years with nice huge long tofts of hair that real wavy
effect. The girl was with me, she had long blond, wavy hair
and she was giggling. You know, it looks like my hair. And
when I was down there April twentieth, the stuff always knots from the forest
side into the barb So yeah, I'm in the fence business in familiar barb
wire. So I've made up myself a little system of how to collect this
stuff and to protect the integrity of it and also the fence. So I
have a way that I can unwind the tension, the spring tension of that
burb and then really good chance of pulling that clump of hair out without damaging
that. And it's always from the forest side into the pasture and places that
make sense. I was collecting again, and it was in some of those
videos I sent you, and it was really hard for me to film myself,
as I there was other better than the tripod falls over or something.
And honestly, I was a little tense because I was there alone in this
group that's there. I've had these tree pushdowns and a lot more aggressive things
getting more aggressive there, and I'm I do this by myself, and I'm
getting a little more nervous. Whereas this other place in Allegheny National Force don't
have that feeling, but it's still crazy how close they get to you.
Well, I mean you are like squatted down, hyper focused on the hair
in an area known as the kill box. So yeah, I understand why
that might make you a bit nervous you hear them. In fact, when
I first found that, and Doug Hijech has this clump and I I had
so many samples into him, and I was going to do the North Carolina
thing, but Doug wants me to send into their funneling it the stuff will
be a priority. Hundreds of samples. I mean, this has just been
prolific. And the same blonde hair that I collected off the very same barb
the same way, you know, so this repeatability. Some of the pictures
that I think I sent was you can see where they had crossed over the
fence and something smaller went in between. So that was like, you know,
your hinge knocked American wire fence. They're pushing it down, you know,
the top barber and something taller was going over and it had a nice
splash tag and it looked like it came out from between somebody's thighs and it
looked like it would hurt it was done while there was a lake effect snow
squall, because that snow has a different consistency because we'll get a lot of
snow fast. But it's like feathers, real, real, fluffy. So
when something when we walk in it, even as five six inches, it's
like you're kicking feathers, So it doesn't leave tracks like the other consistency is
snow. But you could see how something where this hair was big feet walk
right up to the fence and then the foot facing the same way right on
the other side of the fence. It kept on going and you could see
where one crawled through it kind of like under it and just like I would
on my hands and knees get the body through and see where the elbow was
and got up. But it was you know, it was a couple of
days later and again it was this fluffy snow. So it does don't leave
any definition, right, but the repeatability of the lights and the hair samples
in the same spots, and I mean a tonne So you said something interesting
just now talking about the foot direction at the barb wire fence. Yes,
and whenever it steps over as a human, as someone who did grow up,
you know, in the outdoors and hunting and everything else. Sometimes you
got across a barb wire fence, we naturally just our foot foot will turn
sideways and we'll step it. You swing the leg over, and theirs go
forward straight at the fence and straight away from the fence. They do not
turn their feet sideways. Yes, And that is one of my earlier videos,
and that's what it shows me. And then within the same place,
obviously one wasn't as tall and it went in between. And the reason I
know it's different colored hair now snagged on the American wire fence like a hinge
knot that that was pushed down. And yeah, exactly right. And it's
the same location where we saw our very first thing. You know, when
we drive down there spotlight across that field and just coincidentally, I put that
spotlight right on these bright set of red eyes and we're like, looks like
the tail lights of a four wheeler up in the tree, and you know,
and I just broke my wrist a little bit, swept to the left.
It was a deer right there, swept back. There's nothing there.
And also an interesting fact, when you that fence crossing and you walk up
a little bit further to the edge of the pines. You look straight across
that field, maybe a little over a quarter mile, can you see my
toy horder and where we park? And that is something that's common with all
these Sightsing their observation locations has gotten quite easy for me, not that I'm
not good at. Once you start learning certain things and you can put them
together like a scouting, you can follow it out backwards and you can ask
maryam Fabian the sellar site that we share. I've gone in there with survey
tape. That's one of my favorite tools, and I can line it up
and you can create this window through the woods and they'll they'll stage in,
just like deer. They'll they'll stage in, you know, and get a
little closer, a little bit closer, and they generally want to come into
where they can see us, whether it's back to the house or where you
get in and out of your car, or and that's how they avoid us
because they're always watching us. And my experiences, they're never alone. The
one that is making a noise whatever, you know, twenty yards ahead of
you, in front of you, that's not the one to worry about.
Yeah, that's the one you don't hear behind you, and these things do
that to me up there all the time. Let's talk a bit about the
handprints that you've been getting. You just recently posted some videos of some pretty
interesting stuff, but I know you've been working on the handprint stuff for a
while now, So talk about that. Yeah, I don't mind it at
all. Oh, it's just, uh that blows my mind even more.
And uh so I'm I'm perfecting my way of collecting them. It's you know,
it's been a challenge and perfecting my method of collecting for the DNA.
And because you know, it's that seabum, it's like that waxy print that
they leave, kind of kind of whitish. Uh, it's it's like a
paraffin's whatever reminds me of it. You can't clean it out. I U
Umber twenty third one looked in the my truck cap that shinted window in the
rain and actually documented the that the opposite of the surface tension of water,
you know how would repel oil. It actually had touched the window and compressed
the water in its hand with the oily substance of its hand. And this
happened as quick that I came around with a camera and actually was able to
see the water bead out of that oily surface. It had to work its
way out of it like they're dating viral graphics, you know how you get
like an air bubble and up it. It was kind of just like that.
But what I didn't realize it also leaned to its left with its left
hand to So this truck's an F one fifty to look in the back door
of my driver's side to peek in there, and I didn't see that.
That's that's currently my truck cap and it's still there, and I've listed it.
I'm looking at the Layton print right now and I've cleaned it up.
I can't make it go away. It's like etched into the fiberglass cap.
There's a location in Oklahoma that we'll say a restaurant, and this restaurant has
dumpsters behind it, and we found some really interesting handprints on those dumpsters.
These dumpsters back are set back behind this restaurant and they're right next to a
barb wire fence. And on the opposite side that barbed wire fence is all
Native American owned land, so nobody's on it. You better not get caught
on it at least. And these handprints are actually on the backsides of the
dumpster by the barbier fence. They're not from the restaurant side. And the
interesting thing about these handprints, besides the shape and the size and all that
stuff, it was like they were baked into the metal mm hm m hm,
just like what you're talking about on your truck. They it's like it
permanently imprints on it the substance and it just becomes part of the object.
It does. And even with the glass, because there's four or five surfaces
that I continue to collect them off of there and I clean it up,
and so I'd be down there six weeks later collecting new ones. I can
see where that other stuff had like balled up and was just like I was
just pushing around with the cleaner and you know from the time before, and
it's almost like like when you work with rubber cement and you into just kind
of stuff around but it still sticks right. Yeah, It's amazing and they'll
stand up out of in weather that Doug high Tech said it was the first
one to document it repelling water and just this one time only, so that
was there was a hurricane coming through the remnants of it. And this is
Allegany National Forest, Forest County, Pennsylvania, So this is like air miles
sixty seventy miles south of oil location, but it's not the same family.
These people are referred to affectionately as Grandma Granpa Bigfoot, and these creatures come
right up to their house. They treat their pet swell. They've been doing
it for a while. So my truck is zooming the driveway and I'm backed
up on to leave the garage a little bit because of this rain got the
tailgate down, and so they've you know, we leave some casting supplies and
stuff, and they've cast us some prints and other researchers have borrowed them to
show them at places, and you know how those casts are kind of brittle,
so rte them out along the tailgate. It's getting the be evening and
I'm trying to think of up. She's got to be away. With the
materials on hand in the shop, I can build something to kind of support
these so people can still look at them. And you know, and people
come ground and grapple Bigfoot, They're like, hey, take a break,
come in for dinner, and gone an hour and just for I head back
out. The woman of the house she's, uh, she's sick. So
she spends a lot of time in this like hospital bed, one of those
beds that will adjustable beds. And she actually has a four year degree in
wildlife biology and she he is kind of hack of an eye. And out
this one window she can see my truck and they had bears there, and
she's like, careful when you go back out to your truck. I saw
something black just on the other side of it, like underneath it. Well
it wasn't really under the truck, but you know, and the time of
day and the bears there there. It's like okay, And I'm not really
used to dealing with bears like this, so it's like, okay, I
don't want to walk around the corner surprise them. And I walk around the
corner of the truck. All right, it's good, and I go back
to the castle when she comes out on the hurricane and she's like, you
don't you need to check that your truck window for hamdprints. Oh okay,
And I kind of lean over there and literally saw those handprints for me,
wow, And this is like dinner time. It was only gone from the
truck an hour. She could see these things came out of the brush strategically
across the yard to leave their two handprints, to look in the half of
my truck, and to get away. The stuff happens there all the time.
I and why, what's the motivation? And it's too much risk,
But it's repeatedly happening, And I'm not the only researcher. As a fellow
in Canada comes down of course Mary Fabian and Dave Warrego is kind of an
independent guy, and we had an awful lot of fun there and we challenge
each other and share stuff. JP does. He's got a camera trap there
and many cameras and all the crazy stories with the cameras and how they mess
with the cameras is incredible. But the rear sliding glass doors of this house,
these creatures have to hop up onto the back patio and on leave these
two big handprints, sometimes a noseprint, and it's kind of an anomaly.
There is a boy when I go to document that. It's literally all the
time, like I'm trying to photograph into a mirror. It's just the way
it is. But they still have twenty yards of lawn to cross into,
you know, out of the woods. And it's the same elements that I'm
finding in common that they like, beach hunt and hemlock, and those hemlocks,
if you think about it, that is your three hundred and sixty five
three hundred and sixty degrees shadow. These things just work the shadows. And
if you look for the other elements of death lades, oh that we usually
need to think differently. You need to think on ground level. And you
know how there will be a browse line from deer. They'll work that ground
and a death laid just like you know, turkey hunting. And you know
where'd that bird go? Or how do I get busted by that bird?
Well, he's running like a submarine. He's got his head down just over
the break of the hill. Not much of the hill either, you know,
they might only be eighteen inches and they stick your head up like a
periscope up and it's the coming feature they find. It will be multiple escape
routs, but multiple approaches mostly up on the belly, and so it enables
them to quote unquote disappear. And then you know, those staged in standing
areas will be wherever those hemlocks are, and I know that they make these
slots and it'll just be a slot or a little window and when I go
back there and find them stand in them. And besides the compression thing,
but what seals it for me is that perfect client of site. They'll have
to the dining room window, they know, the kitchen window by the same
Yeah, always the kitchen window. Yeah. I have pointed that out so
many times. Kitchen windows, folks, that's where they're looking. And the
woman's bedroom and a woman's bedroom absolutely especially you know if the husband leaves or
it's a single lady, you can almost guarantee that whenever that woman is in
a house by herself in the bedroom, there's going to be something looking.
Not trying to freak everybody out, it's just been my experience. It is
so true. These things seem to be kinder there. And a lot of
the handprints because I get different sizes juveniles, definitely some adult ones, but
the consistency of that sliding glass door and it's a fabulous surface. So I've
kind of perfected and been able to speed up my DNA collecting method and how
to package my specimen, you know, create the providence and then getting better
and better lifting the latent prints because I'm really after the goal of getting that
one big handprint, and you know, using the graphite wom it on and
then with this handprint material three m makes it and it is it is forensics
the largest sheet and gets a four x six. Well, these hands are
a lot bigger than that, right And oh, I got this fabulous picture
of one of these handprints. So I use those four x six, multiple
sheets of those to lift the print, and I'll put tape them between to
print them as one. Then I'll use copier paper but you would use for
copying photos onto it, so you know how it's a higher gloss. Oh
it transfer is really nice on her and looks good. So that big handprint
Man of the House I have So if it was a right hand handprint,
I have his right hand on it and then her right hand over it so
that you can see it's not any of their hands because he's missing end of
the finger. And then the next finger takes an abrupt turn, uh,
not a normal way. You know, it's not their hands. Now they've
taken to the vehicles. So this JP was down there this week. I
think it was Tuesday night, they left one on his Toyota truck. Let's
see last fall, this older couple, I was there. They were cleaning
out this h SHD and Christmas supply, so I'm helping them out and there's
glitteral like Christmas tree decoration. Balls. Steal some of these and I placed
them through the woods and I photo documented where they were, and I don't
know where they went. But just recently one of the fellas I got a
hampering on his car also got Christmas treet decoration were the ones I put out
there? And coming right in these people's driveway And you know if they just
touching glass and they can leave a mark on the glass, Well, this
nice blacktop driveway, why am I not seeing a print on that driveway?
And in that back porch where they leave the hamprints on a side glass door,
and you know that's their typical pressure treated what five quarter decking, You
know it's smooth. And if they have to walk from the forest across the
yard, there's always some kind of dow, some kind of dirt. And
if they have to hop up over why aren't they living a some kind of
a footprint residue challenging. I mean, could it be you know, just
like calluses or something on their feet. It would have to be, and
it's probably more explainable than anything else. I'll say, some of these hamprints
that I got, this captains last two years pretty much every time I'm there.
So the first thing I'll do is those surfaces that I know as soon
as I get there, I mean, if i'm if it takes me until
two o'clock in the morning, I will document those surfaces, what handprints are
there and what one's not, and by morning there's usually new ones. But
what will be crazy is, uh, I'll be out parked in that spot
in the driveway and getting all my gears set up and stuff, and when
they hop up onto that back porch, it makes us like low frequency bass
sound that I'm not real cognitive too. But this older couple will be with
me and I'll see them look at each other because they're familiar with it.
And I heard the sound, but if you didn't point it out, I
wouldn't really been aware. And they're like, that was the back porch dock.
Also, I'm a gun we go look there's new hamdprints. This is
like noon why. I mean, it's got to be a game. It's
got to be a game. Absolutely. So one of the haven't got to
the camper yet. We had this nice little camper that they keeping the turnaround
of the driveway or standard you know ranch home, blacktop driver with a turnaround
and got a really good camper, nice little camper, new and it has
the standard dot mergency exit window. And the reason I know it's the standard
size because I've actually looked into buying more of them just in case I break
one, but actually collecting the whole window, and that was two hundred and
thirty bucks. It's like, now, it's good to know in case I
break one. When I because I've taken out a pull on that camper in
and out to lift the prints and do different things differently. Sometimes I can
do it right off it. But we sleep in that camper. They will
sleep in the camper. And actually the most prints I've ever collected off of
it was when the woman was out there by herself one night sleeping the camper.
You know, the the dinut window, the backsplash of the kitchen sink,
and you know that that right by the big bed master bed. We're
going to call it right there. And the emergency exit window it's like twenty
by thirty or something. It's a it's a dot uniform size and they're all
tinted and that window is so consistent. And hopefully you can see that video,
you know, and I might. My YouTube channel is not really looked
at that much. But boy, what of a stunning moment. Moment it
was when first saw those and trying to figure out how to document this,
and it's like, I mean yet there was a step ladder and had somebody
else with my camera and uh, and I put the baby powder on it,
and that those handprints with the noseprint in the middle just came to life.
It was. It was stunning. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty uh,
pretty neat to watch, oh that is and get them over and over.
So when I stayed in there April nineteenth this year, twenty twenty four,
I tend to sleep on my right side, so it was my face
is towards that window, and I'm like, I don't know, eighteen twenty
twenty four inches away from that window, and I always pulled the shade halfway
down. It's tinted, and then what I'll do is I'll just leave one
little night light out in the bathroom, close the door so there's just a
little bit of light in there. But I make them work for it.
Well, this handprint, you could tell that they put their left hand on
the window and was leaning peering in, and because the shade was down,
they had to keep going lower and lower. So the fingerprints that they were
leaving was like a plant, you know, that hand plant. And then
I got a little bit lower, and it's like an inch lower, inch
lower, inch lower, inch lower, So there's like ten or twelve fingerprints,
you know what I mean. As the hands slid down, and you
know, as I got in that position, well then that's when I could
see under the blind and see my face. And I didn't go down and
say, man, I don't see Bigfoot. But man he saw me again.
I mean, good thing he didn't open your eyes. Well that happened
to me one night and there was a print on the window and it was
like, well, this time of year, you know, it starts getting
light that pre dawn corded to five, and well I had adjusted those windows
certain ways, and it is a little creepy. So I put the blinds
down, but I leave it a little bit to make them work for it,
and something just I just woke up and I looked over at that window.
I'd see this gray under the shade, you know, like three four
inch like bar gray bar of lights kind of what it remind me. And
well, this time my glance, I see maybe what time it was by
how light it was. It's like I only see these two little triangles on
both sides. So in other words, I'm seeing the traps of this thing.
Didn't realize it. We look over. I look at the phone,
it's like four o'clock whatever it was, and I glanced back over at it.
It's gone. And it's just like, no, I'm going to sleep,
HadAM do that? I hit that backsplash and where they've really scared me
there, and so i'm you know, taking the belt off, you know,
sitting in the flashlight and your side arm side and you know, kind
of getting ready to go to bed where they've been that fingernail on the glass
on the backside. B I hit that shade down. I'm like, I
can't do this right now. It's and they've gotten so close to me over
there these last couple of times that it's getting more disconcerting. You'll see in
one of the videos that I posted, I had a buddy come down.
He's an archaeologist and he's very interesting, super skeptical, but he's he's very
interested. And uh so I had him started writing into collecting a fresh handprint.
So it's like eleven o'clock at night. He's being the camera guy and
one of these things around him. So you know, I you have like
a back porch light on and be the arc of light and it'll be like
a wall of blackness or literally something could just be standing in that. They
can see you fine, but you can't see into that darkness. He's his
back is to them closer. One did quadruped run by. It reminded me
of the sound of the bongos, like when Scooby Doo and Shaggy would get
scared and do do do Do Do do do and go running away, And
that's exactly what it sounded like. And it's like why And it made me
think of that counting coup, that nest that I found down there. Now
I'm more comfortable calling a bed, but talk to some people's you know,
I guess the qualification of the you know, primate behavior yeah, this is
absolutely where the juvenile was was copped. And I'll tell you I was.
It's where I lost sight of the juvenile run into, but I found the
perch which it started from, which was just incredible. The behavior how they
observe us. And i'll tell you the other thing that's interesting about if they're
observing us walking or driving, it's against just like archery, it's and also
if you're a sniper, that quartering away shot. So in other words,
for you to see them pull that branch down and look at you, you
would have to know exactly how to turn all the way over your right shoulder
to look back. Reason I caught it was I ended up being on foot.
And the reason I was on foot there was a guy there doing some
filming and I pointed to him, It's like, Derek, this is where
a ball of light came from, because usually over on that other hill and
this one night was behind us, and it kind of spook to me a
little bit, but that's where I filmed it from. It was over here.
You know. It's like, oh, well, I haven't been looking
at direction. And I saw that each night limb come down and then pop
right back up and being a hunter, and you know I got the hunter
eye. Well, you know, nothing else is moving. It's a sizable
branch. You know, you start to gaze and stuff, and all of
a sudden, I see the four black feet going along just under the lower
scaffold of you know, these trees. And meanwhile, I'm trying to get
Derek's attentions, you know, not saying not take my eyes off it,
but trying to grab his arm because you know, he grew his black guy.
He lives in you know, Baltimore. He's you know, having a
great experience in the woods and you know, it was fun and teaching the
stuff, and he's just an awesome guy. And it's like, I don't
get to see that many bear either, and I want to get his attention
because we're going to see a black bear right here. And that black bear
comes out a little bit of an opening and it doesn't stand up. It
it displayed every locomotion other than the paddy compliant gate walk, and uh,
he didn't see it, you know, And I saw it displayed the pit
paleo pelio erection that the hair stand up, so uh, it was knuckle
running. It was first quadruped and then it, you know, accelerated and
of course going away from me at the oblique and went up to go over
a tree top because you know, there was some logging done in there,
and these branches are probably still four or five inches, but they're several years
old. As he started scrabbling over that, it broke under his weight and
it startled him. He dropped like a foot and a half. The hair
on his goofy wide shoulders, the hair on those shoulders stood right up,
just like a dog if the dog was startled angry, or a cat,
and in that moment too. And there's so much benefit of being a bull
hunter because there's so much processing goes through your brain, Like you know,
when you decided that you want to take that shot, there's so much calculating
that you have to do to make that quick shot. I felt that that
was really my benefit. Plus you know, I had my hunter brain turned
on, so yes, I was primed, but that was also my benefit.
I have my brain primed, and it was I don't know, five
or six feet and I got this Scholder laser that used for bird control,
and it's it's most power layers. You're gonna have that license and so I
sent a fella in and I marked my spot on the ground, I painted
with a laser, sent them out through the survey steak, planted it and
worked everything backwards and found where Mama and this thing we're sitting and sat repeatedly
wore the bark off of this tree and you could see the beeteen and you
know, I get in that position and pull the limb down. There's my
four wheela and I parked my four wheelaer right over the mark I made in
the road where I saw it, and I didn't leave a track in there.
And then that's when I came down a couple of weeks later and found
that perch area busted up. These are sizable branches, and that was a
little spooky in there. And that night I have to drive out and now
it's dark and drive past that. So I had to change how I was
going to collect these pieces because I was just gonna I had some brand new
razors and I was going to do a scrape off of that peteing off of
that wood to obtain the DNA, and I could just do a bunch of
them, you know, to brand the disposable razors. Well, now I
got to collect these pieces, and I need to encapsulate them differently. So
I was gonna go down the town to get something. And as I drove
past that talked about these balls of light creating light right where that was,
All of a sudden, the woods just lit up as though somebody started a
campfire, poured a bunch of lighter fluid on it, and torched it off.
Like I couldn't see the fire, but I could see the sudden effect
of the flames on the foliage, the light that it is casting. Man,
I stopped that truck right away, shut it off, kill all the
lights, and get my phone out, put out the window, I start
recording, and that glowings coming out more and more. And of course I
think there's a road crossing here, and like all your other road crossing,
so you're gonna find on a curve, a little bit undulating ground, there's
always going to be some kind of a hidden screen and effect benefit of that's
and that's why they crossed there. Well, that's what this offers. And
except I have the peak of it, I can see down into it,
and I'm filming it. Well, now these three balls of light like candalope
size come out and they're kind of an incandescent color, perfectly spaced, maybe
five six feet off the ground. And they come out up onto that roadway
and a perfect line, one on the shoulder, one in the miller road
and I shoulder and they stop right there like there was no no confusing that
this is a message. It was like a wall in front of me and
I'm like, I'm narrating it as I'm filming it, and I'm like,
only God, and they're just standing there and it's my only way out.
Oh I uh pree silver and put my ten under my thigh, put the
windows up, locked the doors like that would help, and took the tractic
control off with a four wheel drive on, put in tow mode and started
up and I spun up that turbo and I let her eat and it's like
I'm leaving here. I'm driving through or over whatever this is. And I
come worn down that hill and they just single file moved right out over into
the woods. I could watch them a little bit as I came ripping through,
which later it struck me that because I watched those lights continue, well,
at that point they'd be probably one hundred feet in the air because the
valley drops off right there, and I went down the town. I went
to a bar, and i'll tell you the bartender, I talked to you,
there will never go in the woods again. That really rattled me.
And then the next day I go back in there, walked in a little
bit different way. I took one of those sugar roads, and I walked
just a little bit too far. Trying to go back to the perch with
my new way of collecting these basically eighteen inches pieces of wood, huge chunks,
I accidentally entered the nest the bed, which coincidentally was where I lost
sight of the juvenile. And that bed was stunning. And the first thing
I saw was some interesting poop. But then there's like this roop barb.
I started lifting that up. There was a group scat and some big scat.
Now it could be bear, I don't know. I didn't taste it,
but there's a smaller scat right with it, and primates poop in the
group, you know what I mean, literally from where they'll bed, they'll
uh in My learning is you know, or a bear doesn't care where they
go, you know. And it's basically just an impression. But the stunning
thing that I saw immediately, and this kind of goes back to my you
know, studying archaic man. All it's ringed with like these tools of opportunities,
sticks that are like twelve to eighteen inches long. Gloss of them are
a little branch like a little why so as if you're laying in the middle
of that, you got all these fidget sticks or little sticks to pit your
back or to do whatever with. And the real componing thing to me was
the ferns. There were ferns that were picked, let's say maybe ten or
twelve, laid in the middle of the bed, and you could see how
they were compressed and starting to decay. Then you could see another layer that
were a little more fresh compressed, and then there was another layer, and
then there was the layer that was slept down this morning. You know what
I mean. In other words, yea where the walls of light started.
Something slept on those ferns. It was larger than me. And pick those
ferns from somewhere else to line that bed, and it's where those balls of
light came from. And they were only reason I originally looked over there and
saw the juvenile was telling them pointing up to somebody that's where I recorded that
ball of light. Now doesn't make these related, and I'm not going to
stick that claim. A boy sometimes where the smoker's fire, you know,
it's pretty interesting. And I collected that nest and documented. I collected the
whole thing and the the hair that has come out of that. So here's
some tricks for people that I've I've learned from this. So if you got
a spot and they they will bed these depressions. So in other words,
were maybe a large tree one hundred years ago, fell out of it and
left the crater right, so they only need they'll lay in those. And
I think it's part of like a blind that this organized hunting and they might
only have a few other things. So just think about you or if you've
ever taken a kid hunting and you're in the blind, you know you get
fidgety, and every self respecting hunter would have some jack links, beef turkey.
Well they'll they'll sit in something like that and they're gonna and you'll see
the sticks surrounding it. Well, I found another of these sites, which
you know, if it wasn't for the woods, these all this stuff would
be withinside of one another this is like half mile square. This is why
I haven't explored the rest of the property. I don't have to. There's
so much habits right here. Anyways, I take a roll of plastic,
something hopefully white, and I'll open it up, or it might even be
a series of white trash bags, and I'll just run it along that surface.
Let it be nice and staticky. You'd be amazed the hair it picks
up just using static electricity. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And what the
hair the impresses me is the stuff that's you know, ten twelve, sixteen
inches long. There was another observation I made with one of those was so
this was under a homlock, and I noticed that ring of these little limbs,
and well, these hemlocks. You know, again, I'm very familiar
with deer, deer brows, It's what I do. And also familiar with
pruning. I you know, I supply orchards and vineyards of you know,
the pieces and parts to grow it. Not the plants, but you know
the time training, the harvesting, the protecting, and also the pruners and
shears. Well, these hemlock branches looked like somebody snipped them with a nice
diagonal cut of a you know, a Falco Swiss made pruner that caught my
attention, or maybe it looked like a beaver did it. But this place
is right, you know, it's not the right location for any of that.
And it's ringed around and deer. It has to be pretty crappy.
It'd be later in the season world, which which this was March, and
it'll start hitting that kind of browse, but they'll work the green tips in
whatever was there wasn't eating the small tips of these branches. It was eating
the stuff that was like a half inch three quarter inch big and a diagonal
cuts. In other words, if you imagine had a h stock and sealery
being a whole long stock and you put it in your mouth and you're putting
the side of your mouth and bite on it, you know we're gonna get
that shearing effect like a pruner, and it's gonna be on a diagonal of
this like a stock gallery. And that's the way that these were in a
clean cut. And it was really so you know, you do your homework
well. Eastern hemlock. The medicinal value of it is incredible and loaded with
vitamin C. So as this creature sat there bored and didn't have the beef
jerkey. The chew on it, you know, took care of itself.
And which thing. They've studied this with apes and chimps in in zoos and
wondered why that they chew on it, and they concluded that it was salt.
Well, you know, I actually have the exact information on that.
I don't need to remember enough. The medicinal value of the Eastern hemlock loaded
vitamin C. It's an astrinsic. It's also used uh you know your old
appellation doctors. You know if you had absessed, you would you would work
your gums with that, uh, diarrhea and strinsic vitamin C. It was
everything that made perfect sense for something to eat that ended up the branch to
work it in and kind of like take care of its teeth, right,
And that makes sense because all animals, they could live a long time,
but the one common factor that determins the length of their life are their teeth.
As soon as you lose the teeth, you don't eat. It would
make sense that something smart like this would take care of the teeth. Plus
being bored, and ironically, the only reason I looked over there is because
I watched this hen walk by and cross over there. I was interested in
where her nesting site was, and it was like a perfect little ambush point,
so because even more interested. So yeah, I document I collect this
stuff, and had my eighty five year old dad with me, and I'd
take him home unload the back of the truck his stuff. So I got
those limbs in a bag. I have to unload those first, And just
at that moment, a neighbor had walked up with her dog, and I'd
took that bag of those hemlock sprags down, and that dog tipped the bag
over. The dog was like quaking, not shaking, quaking, and pulled
one limb out and and the dog sniffed and inspected every single inch around every
single of those branches. And there was one in particular. It was the
first one, honestly caught my eye that looked like you could see if somebody
was really like tewing on it, turn it like a handle, you know
how you would handle a pine tree. You're gonna you're gonna kind of like
an a braider. You're gonna take some of that to bark off, and
if you had oily hands, you'd see some of the pa teen on it,
and that's what this looked like. That was actually the first piece that
caught my mind. And it with this dog, this primal response this dog
had and it's it's on my channel too. I mean, I don't know
what it means, but interesting observation. Yeah, for sure, I'm jumping
all over because I enjoy it. I don't have an elevator pitch for this.
There is no way I can shorten this up. Again. I really
appreciate you and your old shows that you did with them. I remember that
night when we had our experience when we interrupted that deer drive and one of
the fellas saw one on the corner of his eyes, and you know,
he's like my son, and both these boys they're they're not they're they're tough
boys, you know, they're they're they're country boys, and they're they're smart.
And he actually went next year going to be a marine. And I've
only seen him scared like this twice. And the other time was when he
was down there with me again and the white wide eye and we come back.
He's got a fire going and he was turning out. My son and
I were both and brought the guns down to dial them in that weekend,
sighted him in and he's got every gun out loaded, every rifle, every
shotgun, huge fire blazing when I came up, because of course I'm the
guy. I don't come out of the woods, so it's pitch black and
I'm looking. It's like you're burning every stick of fur with the whole weekend,
you know, and just warrant and the looks at them, and this
moment was so special. We're talking about what happened, you know, the
tree notch, all this stuff, and we're already doing some big footing,
but with this denial that we were in, and I asked, it's like,
okay, guys, what do you think we're dealing with all three of
us at the same time. It was like the submission of guilt a bigfoot,
you know. And I was already listening to your channel that you were
doing with those other fellas, the outlaws, and they had information, just
walked us through some stuff and opened our eyes and so validated the owl and
the animal mimicking that they do. I got more stuff, how they mark
stuff, what they do with birds, what they do with feathers. The
other fellop that this was the night before, you know, seeing the Juvenile
and such. We couldn't get the lights to work, you know, I
mean to the film because we had the gear down and going through all this
stuff. And this guy came up to try to, you know, do
some kind documentary. And we're in the camper right on that curve and it's
a Memorial Day weekend twenty twenty and meant to dine net and I'm leaning against
my head against the camper window and Derek was the same way. And then
this other fella, he's like a son of mine, and this fellap he's
in military contracting business and security clearance. And the quality of this person,
you know. And this fella, he's sitting at ah couch perpendicular to us,
so basically he's looking out the dining that window of a camper and we're
facing having this conversation, and all of a sudden again the eyeballs go way
up. You see the white above the eyes. He is a big boy
too, and it was just a couple of years out of the Marines,
and you know, that weekend he was working with guys in the field with
names that are he doesn't even know their names, but go by like mineo.
You know there there they're real life trigger pullers, and uh so you
know he has that persona as well. And all of a sudden, I
see him pull his hands over, is growing and starts treveling, and then
he starts tipping over and like going into a fetal position. But memo not
taking his eyes off of us. But Derek and I all of a sudden
realized he's not looking at us. He's looking between us. He's looking out
the window, and we you know, and I've already I've had a couple
actions, so my neck doesn't turn that fast. And Derek, he's a
real athletic guy. He jumps up like so cartoon fluid, like I,
let's see. Wow. He just saw moving on the corner of his eye.
I didn't see anything. And my young man there, he had an
Apple watch on, and his rusting heart rate went from like sixty seven to
one forty seven in an instant. And to watch this thing melt the primal
brain and my belief and this is because of my injuries of one of the
things that they do. This is not even to a hypothesis stage. It's
just a speculation through observation. You know that with this ultrasound low frequency that
they're vibrating with the vegas nerve because there's something that's affecting these other animals,
and every animal has a vegas nerve, and if you impact change that,
that's the thing that creates the fight flight message. And you can physically press
on it and change your state. And it's a long ear. You can
calm yourself and somebody's in the trauma mode, you can calm him down,
but you can also things can also trigger it as well. And I've had
that fault and another guy that literally just did other high end performing things like
that too in the military, and he got blasted next to me and he
melted down too, which was crazy. And these are not guys to melt
down. But here I am feed away from both of them, and nothing
happens to me because I'm already broken. It's literally, you know what I
mean, With this neck injuriate's already banging into my vagus nerve. So it
doesn't affect me like them, but to see how it changed them. And
this fella he curled up on the couch and I've known him since he was
seven. I want to go no, this isn't fun, Todd, I
want to go home. No, I'm not kidding. It's like wow,
you know. And so I'm getting ready to go out there and get certain
things on and certain lights, and I'm trying to calm him down. And
I give him a weapon that actually was his that he started hunting me with,
and I actually bought it back from him, made a nice little concealed
carry gun, and I given that to him. It's loaded, and he
he just his behavior and I'm and I'm interested in trauma then psychological trauma and
for reasons and I've become a student of that and what he went through whatever
came up to that window, and I asked him, what did you see?
We've talked many times about it. It melted his brain down, like
it whatever it was, did something to him and got into his head.
And his response was, we don't have a gone big enough what he described
what he saw, and it was it was a typical trauma thing that like
images are blocked. And I've been through stuff like that where you can get
a hyper focus of a situation, do really well, or there'll be pieces
and parts that you performed incredibly but you don't even remember doing, you know,
and I think that's what happened to him. What did you see?
And he's like, well, if there was a ghost of a bigfoot,
he saw the ghost of a bigfoot. If they could cloak, he saw
one cloaking, or he saw one of these balls of light that looked a
little bit different, came up to the window and did some kind of Martian
mind meld down him, you know, because I proceeded out that door,
and incidentally, I put plastic down in front of the camper because you know,
it was raining, and you know, I'm a bachelor. I hate
clean and I'm not the cleanest person, but I figure out if you can
keep the mud out, I get it not cleaning. Well, if whatever
walked on that would have left muddy footprints, if it came from the mud.
There was nothing in front of that window. And I'm really proactive about
I just don't come bursting out into things for certain reasons. But I'm analyzing.
I don't want to destroy anything as I go into it. Plus I'm
trying to be hyper awareness, hyper vigilant of what's around that corner in the
darkness. Would Derek follow me with the camera and oh my god, I
give that guys so much credit for following me. And I had my clear
and I have to wear glasses now, and you know, I had an
injury that you know, so I kind of got to keep these things on.
And also, you know, so I got a light on the end
of this pistol with a laser. Not like it's going to do anything.
It's probably just onto a little piece of mind for me or whatever. And
have the flear up to my eye. But I am not taking my glasses
off. And I'm also not going to mess up my peripheral night vision because
my perferal vision has already been compromised because what happened. And so it makes
me leave a little more proactive. And I am seeing this two heat signatures
just off into the golden rod, just before it breaks down into the valley,
you know, the edge of the forest, but you know, fifty
degrees, it's kind of raining. I don't know what a rotting log looks
like this fleer. I nearly tested that far and is this just two decaying
logs that are here? But also where the game of you know, the
Missouri Shuffle, at least that's what we call it up here, don't necessarily
pay attention once in front of you, you know there's going to be a
noise behind you, and sure enough there's a stick pit breaks and uh and
part of this eye thing too, My connection to rare a sound is a
skewed and so hey, I'm shameless and asked there exactly what was that sound,
because to me, it's like, you know, ninety degrees to my
right. I need to know exactly where, and he's like, no,
it's off over here. Okay, I'm gonna trust what you say where it
is. And I want to hit record on this flir. But you know,
in that trauma moment, and one of the things that we start doing
is you know that blood float, that real tactile sense, you start losing
that everything starts pulling back to the core. Plus it's a little cold,
and you know how the TK scout is and that little bit of brow I
can't feel to record, but I need this in the moment as a tool
to help me see. And we're just in such a vulnerable position. And
then all of a sudden, out from the other end of the camper,
like right in front of my truck, this tree is slapped like an open
palm, and this tree is kind of sitting like on a hydroos. In
other words, it makes a perfect roost for songbirds. This is twelve o'clock
at night. When that tree is slapped, you can hear it vibrate up
the tree and you can hear all these songbirds flush out it. And I
didn't want to turn around, but of course we turned around. Yeah,
and I know this game, and yep, and I im reiately turned back
around to put the fluer on that. And you know, those logs are
gone. They must have rolled down the hill or something. And then to
come back in that camper and see the state that my guy I come in.
He's got the gun unloaded, the animal at one corner of the camper,
the gun at the other furthest corner, the two furthest corners are deep.
And the guy that is trained and stress trained, I'm pretty certain Marines
and he was a Ford observer radio guy. So uh, yeah, you're
you're out in front of a lot of people, and uh that's your default,
is your weapon. And to see him give that up, he's like
something told him to that he had to and he was gonna be saved that
way. And to see the state that he was in, and uh so
his sake, nobody slept. Derek slept shitting up at the dynet. Now
my bed slides out and you could picture something like stick in his hand right
up through the fiberglass, right in my back, and they're both, how
do you? How do you sleep there like that? It's like, you
know, they want me, take me, and I've already been through something
like that where there was something that came back and told me. That's another
crazy story, but real quick, something that I had told me that if
I wanted you dead, you'd already be dead. So that has stuck with
me. You know, there's nothing we're gonna do about it other than not
be there. So it was the next day, letting him sleep in in
the grain, and I'm walking the edge of the roads. There's got to
be tracks. And then that's where we walked down to. Hey, Derek,
that's where the ball light was, and that's where I saw the juvenile.
So all these things, well, maybe that wasn't a bigfoot nest mate
or perch, or maybe it wasn't a juvenile I saw, or maybe it
wasn't this that and the other thing. But if you look at what happened
over that eighteen hours. Things start supporting one another through correlation, don't they.
That's the thing. It's never just that single puzzle piece that you're looking
at. You have to look at all the surrounding pieces and let the picture
be painted. Yeah,