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I remember that night when we had
our experience when we interrupted that deer drive

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and one of the fellas saw one
out the corner of his eyes. Both

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these boys they're they're not they're they're
tough boys, you know, they're they're

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they're country boys, and they're they're
smart. And the white wide eye and

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I've only seen him scared like this
twice. We come back. He's got

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a fire going, and he's got
every going out loaded, every rifle,

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every shotgun, huge fire blaze and
just warrant. We're talking about what happened,

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you know, the train knocks all
this stuff. And I asked,

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It's like, okay, guys,
what do you think we're dealing with?

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All three of us at the same
time. It was like the submission of

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guilt a big Foot. I'd like
to welcome Todd to Bigfoot Crossroads. So

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you got some exciting stuff going on. Man, you're up in New York,

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Western New York. You said,
yes, yep, I live up

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Lake Ontario, Apple Country, but
I hunt the southern tier of New York.

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And you know, people have a
different vision of New York, and

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good lord, we are nothing like
that other New York. I mean it's

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different worlds. Yeah in ways and
no very well agriculture and the further south

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ego. I mean, it's a
awful lot of forests, and then you

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start getting into the Appalachian Plateau.
Then you start getting into the Footbills,

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and along the southern tier of western
New York, it's you know, the

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forest is all coming back and a
lot of those hilltops are plateaus sheared off

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by the glaciers and that's where the
farms are. But it's all those tons

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of valleys and ravines, places where
people just don't go anymore. An occasional

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hunter, but people don't hunt like
they used to. Plus in New York,

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I think our state bird is a
posted sign and so access is hard.

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I just I'm finding more and more
places that surprise me. That not

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saying I've seen the creatures myself in
all these places. But you know how

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it is with these things. You
don't the tree twist or the structures.

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Yeah, some of that can be
explained, but you know what, after

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a while, you can start reading
it just like any kind of animal that

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you're hunting, and it it's the
same tavern, it's the same thing.

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You know, I found this habitat
and then heard the the Ohio Howell that

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was just south of Syracuse. And
it's actually on a date with a girl

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that did grizzly bear research in Alaska
and looks at me, what's that And

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it's like she's a doctor. By
the way, I can't let my crazy

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out of the box yet. It
is. But you know that nest or

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bed that I found and collected,
I did show her some of that stuff

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in that group scat and I showed
it to her. Didn't say what it

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was. She's looking at that's not
bare, that's not fair. What are

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you saying that is? I didn't
dare say anything. Yeah, you're the

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bear expert, that's what is it? Yeah? Yeah, And it struck

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her interest, especially when there was
an Ohio howl and this was on the

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state land again. Actually it was
near the Oneida Indian Reservation, but you

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know south of that Bingmerton Elmira,
Ithaca. Well, actually it blows my

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mind with Cornell University that does that
McCall was it the McCall's. Yeah,

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the hill there that I've researched by
since twenty eleven and I haven't had a

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sighting, but you know, I've
had tracks all sorts of things. The

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calls and stuff, say, well, across the valley is the I think

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it's Robert Treeman State Park, but
that's where they're still doing the surveys of

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these bird calls and such. Because
I would drive around up there and they

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have some signs of the study areas
and that there's recording mics. Well,

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sometimes would I would do this call
where if I had a couple of guys

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with me, basically replicating the Ohio
hollse. So when I run out air,

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I kind of tapped the guy next
to me to continue with his Oh

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you know, there's three of us. So it's really long. And right

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from the area that Cornell does is
studying, that howl comes back. And

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so you're gonna get on Google Earth. How are these things crossing Hardy crossing

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that valley? And you know,
sure enough you can you can find those

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creeks with that hydro. And now
I got to find the bridge they can

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go under. Sure enough, found
a bridge and I climb under it and

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don if there wasn't boulders under it
or something with a bigger butt than mine,

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you know, clean the pebbles off, so it could sit down and

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cover and it's like, you know, if they move from hill to hill

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unseen, and that's I guess some
amazing skills. So did you grow up

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in that area? Uh? Yeah, pretty much here Apple Country. Yeah,

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and uh, always looking for my
own hunting land, the acreage.

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And that's how a lot of this
started. Besides, you know, loved

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finding Bigfoot and of course going back
to in search of and and I'm definitely

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an explorer. I love my bogus
adventures and just figuring stuff out on big

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Hunter, and love finding fishing camps. And you know how people, archaic

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people made a living, you know, and survived. A lot of that

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transfers the Bigfoot as well. It's
a lot of the same needs. And

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then thinking from a primitive hunter perspective
of being a bull hunter, well it

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really makes you work for things and
it's been a lot of fun and the

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you know, you put that skill
set together. And so I hooked up

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with a timber company and you could
lease some of their their land reasonably,

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can set up a camper and touch
on it and have yourself a few hundred

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acres affordably. And got this guy
to give me a list of these areas

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available. Well, you know you
want to you want to be able to

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walk them scout it out. And
I asked, hey, can I take

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my four wheel er to speed things
up? So I was covering a lot

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of tracks of land and at that
time was when less job. We just

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love that show was on with Todd
standing and learned more about the structures.

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Well, as we're out there doing
this scouting all this acreage in the southern

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tier Holy count we weren't seeing this
stuff. Then we started running into things.

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And then I found a hunting lease
south of Wellsville, a cattle farm

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that's up on one of those big
hills and they're not that big of a

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hill, I think like twenty five
hundred foot elevation, but you know it's

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it's beautiful, and it's it's dense. I mean, a couple thousand people

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in the town, a lot of
Amish men of night, that's just agriculture

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and at least this property. And
I remember my son saying, Dad,

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aren't you glad we're not seeing he
sign a big foot up here? Yes

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I am. Yeah, we ate
those words. And this place was really

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neat. So it borders Pennsylvania state
line New York south of Wellsville, Allegheny

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County, and it's a one road
up ends at this farm and the old

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family homestead. Nobody lives up there. There's no power, and so the

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farmer just goes up there a couple
times a week to check on his cattle.

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And really, so I don't even
know how many acres I still haven't

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step foot on all that. And
that was twenty fourteen. On a bull

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hunt. I decided to hunt this
huge ravine closer to the edge where we

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had tree stands because you know,
especially our treaty, you hit it deer,

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they always go downhill and this is
something that man, you just that

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without help and young strong help decided
to hunt it. And uh yeah we

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interrupted. Uh they're organized deer drive
absolutely, you know. And uh the

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communication the whoops and you know,
we're all texting each other back and forth

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and what it sounds like a big
footbooll and I'm like, no, it's

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just somebody's bagal bawling in there,
and it's the valley and it's manipulating the

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sound. But it does sound like
a whoop. And then they're coming closer.

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Then they're starts sounded like six hundred
pounds owls communicating to one all.

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You know, when the wind wind
would blow, then it would lay down

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and then there'd be the rock clacking
back and forth. And we're spread out

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like five hundred yards between us,
kind of in this linear line, each

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experiencing something. And yeah, we're
hunting the edge of this overgrown pasture and

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you're coming there for the same thing, and you know, analyzing it later,

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you know, you look at the
prevailing wind, the thermos, the

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covers, all the elements are there. If if I was early man,

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I wanted to, you know,
get the maximum yield for the lowest risk,

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the maximum benefit at least amount of
calories that you know, and you

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had friends that you could communicate with. This place was just set up for

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a deer drive because up on top
of the hell this is up where we'd

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have her toy hauler. It was
a machine shed and he stored this huge

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inventory round pals for the cattle over
the Winner. Well the deer yard up

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there, especially over Winner. So
now it focuses concentrates the deer, which

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therefore would make sense to concentrate these
creatures, and it allows them approach from

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a wooded side a concealed way,
prevailing winds always in their face, and

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they and there's many reasons why I've
drawn these conclusions of because of boy,

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if this was my woods, and
you know you can hinge cut trees and

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you can sort of funnel and nudge
deer where you want to go if it's

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to your benefit. Well, that's
what this place looks like. And I

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would I've been studying this since fourteen
at this place, and if I really

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would love to have a drone one
in the winter so that each spring I

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could analyze the difference of these trees
because some are carryons, some are pushdowns,

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some of them are naturally come down, but I think that they're moved

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because ultimately it keeps funneling. I
think it's down to this lower part where

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people aren't and it's a barbed wire. The cattle don't go down there a

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lot, and there is these three
four points. Since twenty fourteen, I

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continue to collect hair suspect hair off
of those locations, not anywhere else,

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all the miles of farm there,
and I all run it with the side

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by side and check. I mean, well, you can't look for hair

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run it. You got to be
pretty slow. But all the same points,

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and what makes sense with all those
points, they all give an advantage

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to a predator with all those benefits, like I was saying, and ambush

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element, and so ultimately works down
to where the spring comes out of the

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pasture, starts eroding, getting deeper, and it gets to the edge of

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that valley where it truly drops off. Well, it creates this like a

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hole. I mean that's fifteen twenty
feet deep, probably forty feet across,

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and on the end of that the
fence was double stacked there to create a

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wall. Well, they nudged these
creatures, the creatures, excuse me,

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nudge the deer down to that,
and I referenced that as the kill box,

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and that's where they can close the
hunt and all sorts of cobble,

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you know, missiles of opportunity.
You're you know, deer are burst animals,

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so they're not like man's more of
a long distance runner. You're a

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burst so you can wear them out. And there is these couple ambush points.

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And it's just like I don't know
if you hunted, but back in

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the day, the seventies and eighties, especially being the young guy, you'd

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beat the dog going through the bush, you know, doing the a deer

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drive and set up in strategic locations. And that's essentially what this was,

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and it's what we experienced with what
we were hearing so on and so forth,

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and you know, I talked to
the farmer about it, and he's

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real. I know he has more
experience than what he's telling us. Well,

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in fact, the first night there
paid for the least for the season

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and setting up to toy Holler and
my son's making a fire. I'll put

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some venison burgers on and say to
the fellas like, hey, stay for

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a venison burger. And he's going
over getting this struck. Oh no,

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I'm out of here before dark.
And I'm like what And he's on a

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mission, you know, he's out
of here before dark and a real no

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nonsense sky And I got these seventeen
eighteen year old boys with me that I'm

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responsible and wrestling with the door like
you know, opening closet. What what?

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What? Why aren't you telling me? I didn't know? If?

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Yeah, grow up, moonshine,
meth lab water, Yeah, what happens

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at dark? Yeah? Yeah.
The place just freaks me out. The

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funny sounds, strange lights which I've
asked him about They said, you never

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saw the lights before, but that
one stuck in my head, and so

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he kind of had me off foot
and I remember pulling the door out of

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my hands, slamming it clothes like
he won the contest and cracked a smile

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and he punched that diesel and he
was out of there. It's like,

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oh, well, yeah, it
was just a couple of weeks later.

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Yeah, all the above. He's
had several close black panther sightings there and

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historically went back. I mean I
actually talked to his sister that picking berryes

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up there had almost face to face
with one, and that was in the

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seventies. And I love that mystery
as well. Yeah, that's a big

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one here as well. Yeah,
yeah, isn't that something. Yeah,

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they don't exist. And I found
some various suspect cat tracks. Actually I

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was up there with a girl that's
from of her girlfriend and she found them.

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She actually did really well. She
found a set of when I found

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these here, but of course each
time far enough away without casting material.

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The thumb and the two knuckle prints
and they've been you know, quadruped or

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actually each of these they're down in
the position to drink water. And you

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know when you see these prints,
they look half like an out track,

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but that thumb coming off and you'll
see a left in the right and the

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gas wall up there. I always
check those because sometimes they dump some of

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that. I guess it's like some
kind of a saltwater compound and animals will

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come to that like a saltlet.
And that's where I found them. But

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again I used up my casting material
on a different cast, and I got

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pictures he had all for myself.
Can't convince anybody. If anybody's listening,

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I hope they're taking notes, because
because you're you've already dropped several gems that

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I agree one percent with. And
one of those things is out here in

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Oklahoma we have quite a bit of
like oil and natural gas wells, big

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well country. In case anybody didn't
know that, some of those old storage

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tanks and well sites are good locations
to go look at. And you mentioned

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the salt water, that's what it
was. Yeah, Brian, anytime you

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have a place where there's some sort
of natural salt lick or mineral deposit,

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that's also a great place to go
and look for tracks and signs of these

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creatures absolutely, and right near that
one it was really interesting to me was

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there's an old maple sugar shack there, you know, with the evaporator,

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and in this place had all the
sugar roads and I went in there and

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cleared them with my tractor and anyways, quite an extensive operation. So I

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suspect they were doing this to the
forties and fifties. And we're up there

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one August and there the men.
Some wicked storms come to there, and

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I wanted to get out of that
woods before I came down on us,

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and we happed the truck to get
out in the open. Lamarrow take my

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chance in a diesel, you know, and made me think, you know

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what, I want to go.
Look at that sugar shack which is right

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near the scanswell and has a pea
gravel floor. Now when you walk in

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this place, it's all overgrown.
So when you basically saplanes didn't grow up

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because of the eaves of the building. So you know, when I walk

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along, my shoulders along the side
of the you know, rubbing on the

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building as I walk along, and
then the saplanes grow up and let's got

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all this pea gravel floor and the
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It's got a couple of planks,
boards pulled off, and I would call

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it a murderer. You know,
there was a fewer sniper. You know,

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you could be in there and watch
somebody come by. And the door

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is off the back, and you
know, and the doors it's just a

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doorway. Sure enough, there's this
compression, not like deer. And when

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deer go over the same place,
they really they muck it up, they

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dig it in something. Yeah,
well some of the gun is. We

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didn't find a big track in that
pea gravel, and we casted it,

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but it was it was tough to
see. But to me, what I

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really liked about it showed the foot
flexing over this tree route that had grown

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up over it, so like I
didn't know my foot wouldn't bend that way,

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would bend like your hand. And
then by that murder hole where those

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boards were were footprints maybe the size
of mine. But there's sunk down like

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two three inches in this pea gravel, so something a couple hundred pounds.

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There is no way in heck you
walk there and well, before I go

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to too much weird, this is
one of them. So we're casting those

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tracks, so oh to tie us
back to the storm, I'm sorry,

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made me think about would these creatures
use this, you know during a line

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squall? And yeah, I believe
so, and I think that they were

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absolutely just using it because that's that
first smell. I haven't had that,

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and everybody talks about that smell,
like boy, it was like we bit

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right into it and cruise by on
the ATV and it's just like you bit

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into it, turned around, came
back, you bite into it and then

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it's gone again, and you know, just like everybody describes it. Of

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course, its in front of the
sugar shack, and while we're in there

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casting these things now mixing the stuff
up, just randomly turned to my body.

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It's like, yo, Bigfoot could
be on that outside of that wall,

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right there, looking through on these
cracks, looking at me, going

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what's with this guy? And infatuation
with my feet you know, yeah,

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yeah, we're joking about that.
Well, the gear that I needed,

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I felt was with me. He
would go out that where those boards were

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pulled off. He duck under and
it was you know, a shorter walk,

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and he'd go out to the ATV
and there's a ditch to cross,

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and he'd be bringing stuff back and
forth for me. And well, I

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had this big set of whoppers,
so I wanted to cut that tree route

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to include it when I lifted that
cast. So as he's walking in,

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he's just carrying those whoppers and just
just see how they worked. He just

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snipped a couple of the small saplings
as he walked several steps harvest that cast.

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But I come out the back door
and walking along under the eve,

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my arm shoulder right against the building
and the saplings. There's like this starburst

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glyph right in my walkway, made
with other sticks and made with those saplings

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that he just cut. That he
just cut off the tree. Uh huh.

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It was made when we were in
there, and it was right out

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the spot where I made that joke
in it made me feel like who was

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really the thinker of the thought?
And you know, we can start down

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the bigfoot weird now, I mean, yeah, that's that's pretty strange,

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isn't that? Yeah? And then
the funny part too, because I started

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videotaping, but of course I didn't
get it out quick enoughs soon as I

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just before I hit it fellas with
me. Dave I'm like, hey,

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Dave, did you see this?
And he's working his way over. He

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he only walked past that once and
that was hours ago, and he was

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going in and out the hole.
And as soon as he walked up and

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we both looked down at that glyph
in the ground bow, there was a

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tree knock and I'd hit the record
button just the second after that would have

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been cool to capture that. But
and in the same location. He used

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to be a gate up there,
and so two and a half hour drive

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down there. Boys fall asleep,
you know, walk to the truck,

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pull up and tell my son,
Hey, can't get out, open the

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gate. I'll drive through. Close
it. Well, he's like seventeen at

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this point, and you know,
you get your favorite hat. He's into

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girls, so he's you know,
funny about you know, you get the

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hat hair and where's my hat?
I don't know, just get us through.

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It's somewhere right here. We never
found that hat. We looked crazy

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for it, I mean, like
neurotically all weekend. It was special to

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him. A week later, coming
down here, pull up to that gate

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again, Hey Mason, wake up, open the gate. As soon as

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the cab light came on the hat
was rolled up like in a way of

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being like presented and on his feet
like presented. And he immediately he sees

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he turns and punches me, you
know, like dad, and it's like,

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would I play prank on my son? Yes, but I heard him

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like that with his favorite hat for
a week so last year at this time.

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I don't think I'm at liberty to
say, but the part of the

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documentary up there with a fellow that's
tired sure detective breaks a series of books,

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okay, and very well known,
very well known for his series for

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sure. Yes, yeah, I'm
not under an NDA. It's just I

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was asked not to and I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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uh there does some b roll down
at this place. It was just beautiful,

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perfect for it using a drone.
I was never near that drone.

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I kind of ran like interference,
just keeping people from curious because you know,

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when the cameras come out and stuff
like that. And I didn't really

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think of this role, but one
of the producers said that, yeah,

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I was the guide, outfitter,
fixer and security guard. And that's a

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long story that I will tell you
privately. But boy, you never know

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what's going to happen where and sometimes
it's people. It's not the things in

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the woods, it's the people in
the woods, oh for sure. Yeah,

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not even near that. And they
were going back to the hotel to

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do something. Well, there's an
experiment that I wanted to deploy out there,

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and it's something I was doing with
Doug high checking. You gave me

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the idea of lexand sheets, smoke, you know, something shiny, because

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I have another study site where I'm
getting all these handprints from, and it's

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a tinted glass from the camper window. And also I had a friend that

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came down there with me and just
a couple months prior, and she perfectly

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cleaned super rub but by tim black
tiny windows. We're driving up the hill

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with the dust. We're gone,
and now we come back her cars covered

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with these hands prints and with that
perfect coat of dust. So that's kind

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of where the hamprints started. So
Doug Hichack had that idea. So I'm

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putting these in that sugar shack,
deploying around the woods, and while this

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camera crew of them go off to
do whatever they had to do. I

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had a little bit of time to
go deploy these, So where they were

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doing the b roll at probably four
miles road miles straight line of sight a

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couple of miles, but you're talking
some serious terrain to cross. And as

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I'm cognitively driving up this hill,
I'm trying to be efficient with or am

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I going to deploy these because pretty
good ditches off the side of each roll

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and we're on each side of the
road, and been where and why I

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want to put these sheets? And
the first stop it's like scree by the

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sugar shack and a component, so
it's already pictured my mind, and I

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pull up, shut the truck off. You know this kind of place.

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I leave the truck right middle of
the road, and I go to open

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the truck door. So it's a
it's a thirty five hundred, it's a

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good sized truck. And I look
down at the ground. There's something in

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a plastic case. And I watched
the road when I drive up there because

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a lot of sharp rocks, and
I've replaced more tires on ATVs and trucks

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up there. You know, was
I watched where my wheels are rolling?

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Because it gets expensive and it sucks
seven flats. It's like I didn't see

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this and it was right where I
was premeditated going to stop when I opened

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my truck door. I mean,
if I didn't watch what I was doing,

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I gallo the truck and I'd step
right on it. So it's just

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like a lens and a plastic case. I snapped a picture of it,

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so what the heck is it?
And it says VGI on it. Oh

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it goes to a drone. Sure
well, And I held on to it,

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you know, and did what I
had to do. A couple hours

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later, camera crew comes up and
there's four of them in that vehicle,

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and I knew that's where the drone
was and they hadn't had he used the

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drone there, you know what I
mean? I figured out one must have

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just fallen off. Somebody sat on
top of the vehicle, right, you

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know, there was an explanation for
it. And I had stopped in the

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spot and go here you guys lost
this. I wish I had a camera

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going to see it. Looks on
their face because there were slack jab looking

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at each other. Well, apparently
they were sweating it because somebody else's drone.

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As the way I got it when
they were shooting that b roll and

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when I had left they were.
I wasn't even near them. They were

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within my sight, but they were
just landing the drone and such the you

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is that lens to shoot that footage. The lens got up on the hill

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and beat you there. Yes,
and they were actually worried because they were

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late, because they looked like twenty
minutes for that lens. I mean,

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what's going on? All this is
like within sight of each other, like

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you know, the strange hat thing, the that glyph being made while on

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the other side of this wall,
and you know, these old barns can

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stand inside them on their light outside
you could actually see somebody walk along because

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of you you know, the woods
dried up, shrunk, and there's you

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know, cracks of light. It
just and right next to that is this

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uh view that I have that is
not viewable from anywhere else, but it's

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consistently these balls of light. And
this is what's really struck me my last

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trip down there into my other site
down in pa is the science is all

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about to being able to repeat things. Now I'm not saying I can repeat

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this, but I am. Every
time I go to these places to collect

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my hair from the killbox area,
to see the balls of light in the

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other place in Pennsylvania, Alleghany National
Forest to collect the ham prints. They're

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there every trip, every trip.
Now balls of light are getting hard to

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see because I started recording that that
was first som in fourteen, but I

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got the night vision in twenty.
We really got some good stuff and we're

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just there at the right time.
There was a little bit of a moonlight,

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there was a little snow. Just
really let that ir go further out

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and consistently in the same area that
you can't be viewed from any other hill.

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That's the same way, a similar
way. It's never the same,

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but it's similar. But now with
the foliage and the undergrowth taken off because

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it was logged in fourteen very selectively, but you know, it opens up

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the canopy. So when eller Fella
was there, he was there because some

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of the footage I have, and
I was telling him it's like it was

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it was in June, yeah,
last year, and I was telling him

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it's like foliage is how I can't
promise because we're just looking through this wall

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of green ray and so here's some
of the observations that are so interesting there.

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So these balls of light, I'll
set up on this curve. They

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will not come out until twenty thirty
minutes after sunset, but just before it's

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truly dark. They appear in the
similar areas of similar acreage, you know,

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the certain side of the hill,
not the exact spot. And I've

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been interested in those because I thought
it was an interesting geological anomaly which I've

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been unable to explain. But here's
my observations. With the time that they

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come out consistently, never see them
during the day. They look like somebody's

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striking a bead of a MiG welder, and you know, like you're looking

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at somebody MiG welding, and it's
what you hear everywhere else is these things

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appear to be intelligently moving through the
forest, going around trees. But the

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intensity of light is crazy. However, it doesn't like illuminate the forest or

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as it comes past the tree,
it just gives a slight ambient light.

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Now sometimes it will illuminate the entire
area, but that's real, real,

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rare. And I've been down there
every month of the year, and you

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know, right now, it's really
hard. And when I was there with

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that camera crew, that was why
I was trying to get their ahead,

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because I got some pretty big ladders
and I was just gonna I had them

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fasten the bed in my truck.
Try to put a camera guy up there

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that tried to see over the foliage, and that didn't work either, but

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had to try. But the interesting
observations with these lights are I would have

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the I R night vision running,
I'd have a fleer, I'd have my

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iPhone twelve promacs. And then there's
the human eye. Well, the night

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vision seeing the same location with the
ball of light is seeing five balls of

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light. Camera might be seen too. My eye may only see one of

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them, so in the flear I've
gotten none of them on the floor,

407
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.280
but it may be too far for
the flear right for you to read.

408
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.599
So obviously, within each one of
these items, you know, the human

409
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.440
eye, the camera, the ir
it you know reads the light differently.

410
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.760
But what it does tell me these
things are working definitely in the eye are

411
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.480
spectrum, and I know that after
the sunset there's something that changes with the

412
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:30.519
eye. Are spectrum and light rays
around this part of the earth. I

413
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:37.119
can move the gear closer to these
lights because what's between us is this logging

414
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.239
landing and where you know, they
load the timber trucks and the yard the

415
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:46.000
stuff in up for whatever, and
so I can set the cameras up there.

416
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.519
The lights will never come, will
never be there. I'll pack everything

417
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:52.960
up, you know, give it
a couple hours. I'll go back up

418
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.320
to the curve, which would be
like two hundred yards away. Lights will

419
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.239
come right back out. I've done
it repeated. We've left the gear running

420
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.960
and left the hill with a digital
recorders. And you know the diesel,

421
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.440
especially Cummings, it has a certain
drone that kind of picks up further and

422
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.400
stuff will turn off about like eleven
or nine minutes after we leave, and

423
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.320
we'll go down and get coffee,
and we come back like an hour later.

424
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.760
The files will restart about nine or
eleven minutes before we get back,

425
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.599
and you'll hear my truck come back
up. I do not know how the

426
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:37.079
uh how that the files even stop
and start. And meanwhile they captured nothing

427
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.599
while we were there. How far
away are they from, like the curve

428
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:52.000
area twenty yards And I've driven over
to where they appear, and I've walked

429
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.880
it, and the only one thing
that I found was a really really interesting

430
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:04.840
tree structure that again looked like an
asterisk, treep starburst. That's about the

431
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:09.679
location where they start. It all
kind of comes together. It's it's the

432
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.480
same study and of the water systems
why they would be somewhere, and it

433
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.480
all comes back around and well even
with these lights. So this is the

434
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.800
other thing that I'm finding there is
besides some karens, there's like some things

435
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:30.559
that are like celestial alignment. There
was some copper that was mined out of

436
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.920
there. There were some battles at
and this is kind of like the Western

437
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.559
Gate for the Senecas because you know
strategic features, but do you happen to

438
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.199
know if there's any horts in the
ground around there? Oh yeah, oh

439
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.320
yeah, And it had all the
right elements. The other thing I learned

440
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.719
too, the creek that's right at
the bottom of this ravine where you know

441
00:37:52.760 --> 00:38:00.679
they were doing this organized deer drive
out of confirmed through the DC. It's

442
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:10.280
it is one of the natural work
trout streams, but it's inaccessible because of

443
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.599
the physical location. And back to
the posted property, well, the guy

444
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.639
at least is from me. He's
the one that posted. So you know,

445
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.920
there's your your your higher brain food. The deer yarding up is crazy.

446
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:29.360
And again it's inventory at the uh
and where those bells are sitting and

447
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:35.000
those round balls. The deer they
just it's like a cave on the other

448
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.199
end that you could crawl into.
And you know, when you rap up

449
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.400
there in the winter, the deer
do not move off because their only choices

450
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.960
are tough and it just it all
makes sense. Part I forgot that was

451
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:53.599
really interesting about the killbox. Talking
to the farmer, getting him to open

452
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.280
up about some of these things,
and and uh, he told me a

453
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.400
story about uh, when he took
the family farm over, it'd only been

454
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.159
crop farmed and hadn't been any you
know, cattle or anything on in a

455
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.800
long time. So he got one
hundred and eighty five sheep, you know,

456
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.679
really good at cleaning that stuff up, clean up the headgerows, And

457
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.880
in a short period of time he
had to take the five or six remaining

458
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.199
sheep market. He lost one hundred
and eighty head in a very short time.

459
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:29.920
Wow. And in that killbox,
now at this point I didn't know

460
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.719
it was the one in the same
location. He was telling me about the

461
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:38.039
gruesome task it was of cleaning these
dead bodies out of because hes afraid somebody

462
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:45.480
was going to turn them into animal
control, and all like piled up were

463
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:52.000
that fence, that double fences and
right into that kind of like that hole.

464
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.239
So something funneled them in there,
and there hadn't been any cattle on

465
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:04.920
there in decades. And we'll come
to find out further conversation with them.

466
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.639
It's the one in the same spot. Now he's run there's been some changes.

467
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:14.079
He's run a fence parallel to that. And what's really interesting that I

468
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:20.159
observe is how they continue to manipulate
and take advantage of what's already existing and

469
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.280
manipulate what's there with some of these
tree falls and carryons and creating this funneling

470
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.400
system. So where that was one
of the let's call it a wall to

471
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.480
box, something in's changed it a
little bit, the dynamics and how something

472
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.639
has adapted to that and doing the
same thing. But just the final close

473
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.679
is a little bit different, and
there is and it keeps evolving and I

474
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.679
keep documenting it. It reminds me. I call it hasty works boys,

475
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.440
and I we used to do Civil
War reenacting, and it'd be what Cil

476
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.920
War soldiers would do quickly to throw
up a hasty works of logs, tree,

477
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:05.280
these limbs and stuff, and it's
this parallel line that works at the

478
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:10.000
advantage of the wind. And just
behind that is the barboyer fence. And

479
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:15.440
again it's under the hemlocks and that
barboys fence. The way I see it

480
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.559
is that something wanted to come out
of cover quickly. It doesn't want to

481
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.679
make a lot of noise, so
walking on hemlock, pine needles, plus

482
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.480
the canopies taller, they just hop
over that fence and then they get into

483
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:36.679
the position behind this blind as the
others close in and I continue to when

484
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.800
I was with this other fellow,
the author was showing them this cobble that

485
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.559
I keep an eye on this that
you know, when I picked this cobble

486
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:51.480
up off of leaves, that cobble
should have leaves on it. There's missiles

487
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:58.519
of opportunity and they're they're closing it
right there. So at this point I

488
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:07.960
continue to find nice flesh tags of
you know, twelve sixteen inch long hair,

489
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.920
so it's you know, your standard
all burn black. There's this blond

490
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:22.800
one last couple of years with nice
huge long tofts of hair that real wavy

491
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.840
effect. The girl was with me, she had long blond, wavy hair

492
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.599
and she was giggling. You know, it looks like my hair. And

493
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:38.119
when I was down there April twentieth, the stuff always knots from the forest

494
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:45.199
side into the barb So yeah,
I'm in the fence business in familiar barb

495
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.119
wire. So I've made up myself
a little system of how to collect this

496
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:52.760
stuff and to protect the integrity of
it and also the fence. So I

497
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.119
have a way that I can unwind
the tension, the spring tension of that

498
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:02.440
burb and then really good chance of
pulling that clump of hair out without damaging

499
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:10.599
that. And it's always from the
forest side into the pasture and places that

500
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.599
make sense. I was collecting again, and it was in some of those

501
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:21.679
videos I sent you, and it
was really hard for me to film myself,

502
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.880
as I there was other better than
the tripod falls over or something.

503
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.719
And honestly, I was a little
tense because I was there alone in this

504
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:38.679
group that's there. I've had these
tree pushdowns and a lot more aggressive things

505
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.639
getting more aggressive there, and I'm
I do this by myself, and I'm

506
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:51.480
getting a little more nervous. Whereas
this other place in Allegheny National Force don't

507
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.159
have that feeling, but it's still
crazy how close they get to you.

508
00:43:53.239 --> 00:44:00.880
Well, I mean you are like
squatted down, hyper focused on the hair

509
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.960
in an area known as the kill
box. So yeah, I understand why

510
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:12.840
that might make you a bit nervous
you hear them. In fact, when

511
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:19.800
I first found that, and Doug
Hijech has this clump and I I had

512
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.280
so many samples into him, and
I was going to do the North Carolina

513
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.000
thing, but Doug wants me to
send into their funneling it the stuff will

514
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.320
be a priority. Hundreds of samples. I mean, this has just been

515
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:38.880
prolific. And the same blonde hair
that I collected off the very same barb

516
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.119
the same way, you know,
so this repeatability. Some of the pictures

517
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:51.000
that I think I sent was you
can see where they had crossed over the

518
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.679
fence and something smaller went in between. So that was like, you know,

519
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.360
your hinge knocked American wire fence.
They're pushing it down, you know,

520
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.920
the top barber and something taller was
going over and it had a nice

521
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.159
splash tag and it looked like it
came out from between somebody's thighs and it

522
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.880
looked like it would hurt it was
done while there was a lake effect snow

523
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.199
squall, because that snow has a
different consistency because we'll get a lot of

524
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:21.519
snow fast. But it's like feathers, real, real, fluffy. So

525
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.440
when something when we walk in it, even as five six inches, it's

526
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:30.840
like you're kicking feathers, So it
doesn't leave tracks like the other consistency is

527
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.079
snow. But you could see how
something where this hair was big feet walk

528
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:42.519
right up to the fence and then
the foot facing the same way right on

529
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.119
the other side of the fence.
It kept on going and you could see

530
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.239
where one crawled through it kind of
like under it and just like I would

531
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.440
on my hands and knees get the
body through and see where the elbow was

532
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.480
and got up. But it was
you know, it was a couple of

533
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.519
days later and again it was this
fluffy snow. So it does don't leave

534
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:07.119
any definition, right, but the
repeatability of the lights and the hair samples

535
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:14.920
in the same spots, and I
mean a tonne So you said something interesting

536
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.760
just now talking about the foot direction
at the barb wire fence. Yes,

537
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.480
and whenever it steps over as a
human, as someone who did grow up,

538
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.000
you know, in the outdoors and
hunting and everything else. Sometimes you

539
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:35.039
got across a barb wire fence,
we naturally just our foot foot will turn

540
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.480
sideways and we'll step it. You
swing the leg over, and theirs go

541
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.840
forward straight at the fence and straight
away from the fence. They do not

542
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:51.440
turn their feet sideways. Yes,
And that is one of my earlier videos,

543
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.400
and that's what it shows me.
And then within the same place,

544
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:59.599
obviously one wasn't as tall and it
went in between. And the reason I

545
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:06.519
know it's different colored hair now snagged
on the American wire fence like a hinge

546
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:12.320
knot that that was pushed down.
And yeah, exactly right. And it's

547
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.239
the same location where we saw our
very first thing. You know, when

548
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:20.079
we drive down there spotlight across that
field and just coincidentally, I put that

549
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:25.119
spotlight right on these bright set of
red eyes and we're like, looks like

550
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:30.639
the tail lights of a four wheeler
up in the tree, and you know,

551
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.000
and I just broke my wrist a
little bit, swept to the left.

552
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.719
It was a deer right there,
swept back. There's nothing there.

553
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.519
And also an interesting fact, when
you that fence crossing and you walk up

554
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.079
a little bit further to the edge
of the pines. You look straight across

555
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.920
that field, maybe a little over
a quarter mile, can you see my

556
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.480
toy horder and where we park?
And that is something that's common with all

557
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:07.800
these Sightsing their observation locations has gotten
quite easy for me, not that I'm

558
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.920
not good at. Once you start
learning certain things and you can put them

559
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.800
together like a scouting, you can
follow it out backwards and you can ask

560
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.280
maryam Fabian the sellar site that we
share. I've gone in there with survey

561
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.840
tape. That's one of my favorite
tools, and I can line it up

562
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:30.559
and you can create this window through
the woods and they'll they'll stage in,

563
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.360
just like deer. They'll they'll stage
in, you know, and get a

564
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.760
little closer, a little bit closer, and they generally want to come into

565
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.239
where they can see us, whether
it's back to the house or where you

566
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.880
get in and out of your car, or and that's how they avoid us

567
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:52.519
because they're always watching us. And
my experiences, they're never alone. The

568
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.840
one that is making a noise whatever, you know, twenty yards ahead of

569
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.840
you, in front of you,
that's not the one to worry about.

570
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:07.559
Yeah, that's the one you don't
hear behind you, and these things do

571
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.920
that to me up there all the
time. Let's talk a bit about the

572
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.519
handprints that you've been getting. You
just recently posted some videos of some pretty

573
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.440
interesting stuff, but I know you've
been working on the handprint stuff for a

574
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.599
while now, So talk about that. Yeah, I don't mind it at

575
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:30.320
all. Oh, it's just,
uh that blows my mind even more.

576
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.800
And uh so I'm I'm perfecting my
way of collecting them. It's you know,

577
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:42.519
it's been a challenge and perfecting my
method of collecting for the DNA.

578
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:49.320
And because you know, it's that
seabum, it's like that waxy print that

579
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:54.639
they leave, kind of kind of
whitish. Uh, it's it's like a

580
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.519
paraffin's whatever reminds me of it.
You can't clean it out. I U

581
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:06.639
Umber twenty third one looked in the
my truck cap that shinted window in the

582
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:13.679
rain and actually documented the that the
opposite of the surface tension of water,

583
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.559
you know how would repel oil.
It actually had touched the window and compressed

584
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.840
the water in its hand with the
oily substance of its hand. And this

585
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.400
happened as quick that I came around
with a camera and actually was able to

586
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:34.360
see the water bead out of that
oily surface. It had to work its

587
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.519
way out of it like they're dating
viral graphics, you know how you get

588
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.000
like an air bubble and up it. It was kind of just like that.

589
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.559
But what I didn't realize it also
leaned to its left with its left

590
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:52.000
hand to So this truck's an F
one fifty to look in the back door

591
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.719
of my driver's side to peek in
there, and I didn't see that.

592
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:05.039
That's that's currently my truck cap and
it's still there, and I've listed it.

593
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.679
I'm looking at the Layton print right
now and I've cleaned it up.

594
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.599
I can't make it go away.
It's like etched into the fiberglass cap.

595
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:22.719
There's a location in Oklahoma that we'll
say a restaurant, and this restaurant has

596
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:30.719
dumpsters behind it, and we found
some really interesting handprints on those dumpsters.

597
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:37.920
These dumpsters back are set back behind
this restaurant and they're right next to a

598
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.960
barb wire fence. And on the
opposite side that barbed wire fence is all

599
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.760
Native American owned land, so nobody's
on it. You better not get caught

600
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.559
on it at least. And these
handprints are actually on the backsides of the

601
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:01.239
dumpster by the barbier fence. They're
not from the restaurant side. And the

602
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.639
interesting thing about these handprints, besides
the shape and the size and all that

603
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:15.800
stuff, it was like they were
baked into the metal mm hm m hm,

604
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.920
just like what you're talking about on
your truck. They it's like it

605
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:28.760
permanently imprints on it the substance and
it just becomes part of the object.

606
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.920
It does. And even with the
glass, because there's four or five surfaces

607
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.760
that I continue to collect them off
of there and I clean it up,

608
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:45.320
and so I'd be down there six
weeks later collecting new ones. I can

609
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.199
see where that other stuff had like
balled up and was just like I was

610
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.880
just pushing around with the cleaner and
you know from the time before, and

611
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:00.760
it's almost like like when you work
with rubber cement and you into just kind

612
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:09.519
of stuff around but it still sticks
right. Yeah, It's amazing and they'll

613
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:15.039
stand up out of in weather that
Doug high Tech said it was the first

614
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:25.280
one to document it repelling water and
just this one time only, so that

615
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.920
was there was a hurricane coming through
the remnants of it. And this is

616
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:37.840
Allegany National Forest, Forest County,
Pennsylvania, So this is like air miles

617
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.440
sixty seventy miles south of oil location, but it's not the same family.

618
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.079
These people are referred to affectionately as
Grandma Granpa Bigfoot, and these creatures come

619
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.760
right up to their house. They
treat their pet swell. They've been doing

620
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.679
it for a while. So my
truck is zooming the driveway and I'm backed

621
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.360
up on to leave the garage a
little bit because of this rain got the

622
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:08.039
tailgate down, and so they've you
know, we leave some casting supplies and

623
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.679
stuff, and they've cast us some
prints and other researchers have borrowed them to

624
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.400
show them at places, and you
know how those casts are kind of brittle,

625
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:22.119
so rte them out along the tailgate. It's getting the be evening and

626
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.679
I'm trying to think of up.
She's got to be away. With the

627
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:29.119
materials on hand in the shop,
I can build something to kind of support

628
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:34.480
these so people can still look at
them. And you know, and people

629
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.320
come ground and grapple Bigfoot, They're
like, hey, take a break,

630
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.920
come in for dinner, and gone
an hour and just for I head back

631
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:46.559
out. The woman of the house
she's, uh, she's sick. So

632
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.119
she spends a lot of time in
this like hospital bed, one of those

633
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.440
beds that will adjustable beds. And
she actually has a four year degree in

634
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.400
wildlife biology and she he is kind
of hack of an eye. And out

635
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.440
this one window she can see my
truck and they had bears there, and

636
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:07.960
she's like, careful when you go
back out to your truck. I saw

637
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:12.719
something black just on the other side
of it, like underneath it. Well

638
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.239
it wasn't really under the truck,
but you know, and the time of

639
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.599
day and the bears there there.
It's like okay, And I'm not really

640
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.760
used to dealing with bears like this, so it's like, okay, I

641
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.239
don't want to walk around the corner
surprise them. And I walk around the

642
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.320
corner of the truck. All right, it's good, and I go back

643
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.360
to the castle when she comes out
on the hurricane and she's like, you

644
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.679
don't you need to check that your
truck window for hamdprints. Oh okay,

645
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.119
And I kind of lean over there
and literally saw those handprints for me,

646
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:49.239
wow, And this is like dinner
time. It was only gone from the

647
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:54.000
truck an hour. She could see
these things came out of the brush strategically

648
00:55:54.039 --> 00:56:00.760
across the yard to leave their two
handprints, to look in the half of

649
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.280
my truck, and to get away. The stuff happens there all the time.

650
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:12.559
I and why, what's the motivation? And it's too much risk,

651
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.000
But it's repeatedly happening, And I'm
not the only researcher. As a fellow

652
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.440
in Canada comes down of course Mary
Fabian and Dave Warrego is kind of an

653
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:27.360
independent guy, and we had an
awful lot of fun there and we challenge

654
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.880
each other and share stuff. JP
does. He's got a camera trap there

655
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.800
and many cameras and all the crazy
stories with the cameras and how they mess

656
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:45.559
with the cameras is incredible. But
the rear sliding glass doors of this house,

657
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:52.519
these creatures have to hop up onto
the back patio and on leave these

658
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:58.440
two big handprints, sometimes a noseprint, and it's kind of an anomaly.

659
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.880
There is a boy when I go
to document that. It's literally all the

660
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:06.079
time, like I'm trying to photograph
into a mirror. It's just the way

661
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:13.880
it is. But they still have
twenty yards of lawn to cross into,

662
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.440
you know, out of the woods. And it's the same elements that I'm

663
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:25.280
finding in common that they like,
beach hunt and hemlock, and those hemlocks,

664
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:29.920
if you think about it, that
is your three hundred and sixty five

665
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.400
three hundred and sixty degrees shadow.
These things just work the shadows. And

666
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.840
if you look for the other elements
of death lades, oh that we usually

667
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.599
need to think differently. You need
to think on ground level. And you

668
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.320
know how there will be a browse
line from deer. They'll work that ground

669
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.440
and a death laid just like you
know, turkey hunting. And you know

670
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:52.400
where'd that bird go? Or how
do I get busted by that bird?

671
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.159
Well, he's running like a submarine. He's got his head down just over

672
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.840
the break of the hill. Not
much of the hill either, you know,

673
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:05.760
they might only be eighteen inches and
they stick your head up like a

674
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:12.280
periscope up and it's the coming feature
they find. It will be multiple escape

675
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.960
routs, but multiple approaches mostly up
on the belly, and so it enables

676
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:22.280
them to quote unquote disappear. And
then you know, those staged in standing

677
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:28.000
areas will be wherever those hemlocks are, and I know that they make these

678
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.400
slots and it'll just be a slot
or a little window and when I go

679
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.559
back there and find them stand in
them. And besides the compression thing,

680
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.960
but what seals it for me is
that perfect client of site. They'll have

681
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.679
to the dining room window, they
know, the kitchen window by the same

682
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.519
Yeah, always the kitchen window.
Yeah. I have pointed that out so

683
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.800
many times. Kitchen windows, folks, that's where they're looking. And the

684
00:58:53.840 --> 00:59:01.400
woman's bedroom and a woman's bedroom absolutely
especially you know if the husband leaves or

685
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:06.880
it's a single lady, you can
almost guarantee that whenever that woman is in

686
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.679
a house by herself in the bedroom, there's going to be something looking.

687
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:15.920
Not trying to freak everybody out,
it's just been my experience. It is

688
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:22.760
so true. These things seem to
be kinder there. And a lot of

689
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:30.440
the handprints because I get different sizes
juveniles, definitely some adult ones, but

690
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:36.719
the consistency of that sliding glass door
and it's a fabulous surface. So I've

691
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:42.519
kind of perfected and been able to
speed up my DNA collecting method and how

692
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:51.199
to package my specimen, you know, create the providence and then getting better

693
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.880
and better lifting the latent prints because
I'm really after the goal of getting that

694
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:59.519
one big handprint, and you know, using the graphite wom it on and

695
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:07.159
then with this handprint material three m
makes it and it is it is forensics

696
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.480
the largest sheet and gets a four
x six. Well, these hands are

697
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.079
a lot bigger than that, right
And oh, I got this fabulous picture

698
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:22.840
of one of these handprints. So
I use those four x six, multiple

699
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:24.800
sheets of those to lift the print, and I'll put tape them between to

700
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.599
print them as one. Then I'll
use copier paper but you would use for

701
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:37.920
copying photos onto it, so you
know how it's a higher gloss. Oh

702
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:42.440
it transfer is really nice on her
and looks good. So that big handprint

703
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.719
Man of the House I have So
if it was a right hand handprint,

704
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.239
I have his right hand on it
and then her right hand over it so

705
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.400
that you can see it's not any
of their hands because he's missing end of

706
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.199
the finger. And then the next
finger takes an abrupt turn, uh,

707
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:07.960
not a normal way. You know, it's not their hands. Now they've

708
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:13.480
taken to the vehicles. So this
JP was down there this week. I

709
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:21.760
think it was Tuesday night, they
left one on his Toyota truck. Let's

710
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.800
see last fall, this older couple, I was there. They were cleaning

711
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:31.960
out this h SHD and Christmas supply, so I'm helping them out and there's

712
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:39.559
glitteral like Christmas tree decoration. Balls. Steal some of these and I placed

713
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:44.800
them through the woods and I photo
documented where they were, and I don't

714
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.719
know where they went. But just
recently one of the fellas I got a

715
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:54.039
hampering on his car also got Christmas
treet decoration were the ones I put out

716
01:01:54.079 --> 01:02:01.079
there? And coming right in these
people's driveway And you know if they just

717
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:05.760
touching glass and they can leave a
mark on the glass, Well, this

718
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.320
nice blacktop driveway, why am I
not seeing a print on that driveway?

719
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.519
And in that back porch where they
leave the hamprints on a side glass door,

720
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.880
and you know that's their typical pressure
treated what five quarter decking, You

721
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.320
know it's smooth. And if they
have to walk from the forest across the

722
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:27.360
yard, there's always some kind of
dow, some kind of dirt. And

723
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.840
if they have to hop up over
why aren't they living a some kind of

724
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:37.679
a footprint residue challenging. I mean, could it be you know, just

725
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:43.320
like calluses or something on their feet. It would have to be, and

726
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:51.440
it's probably more explainable than anything else. I'll say, some of these hamprints

727
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:57.639
that I got, this captains last
two years pretty much every time I'm there.

728
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.039
So the first thing I'll do is
those surfaces that I know as soon

729
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.239
as I get there, I mean, if i'm if it takes me until

730
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.199
two o'clock in the morning, I
will document those surfaces, what handprints are

731
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:14.639
there and what one's not, and
by morning there's usually new ones. But

732
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.599
what will be crazy is, uh, I'll be out parked in that spot

733
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:22.840
in the driveway and getting all my
gears set up and stuff, and when

734
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.400
they hop up onto that back porch, it makes us like low frequency bass

735
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:32.079
sound that I'm not real cognitive too. But this older couple will be with

736
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:36.519
me and I'll see them look at
each other because they're familiar with it.

737
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.239
And I heard the sound, but
if you didn't point it out, I

738
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:43.880
wouldn't really been aware. And they're
like, that was the back porch dock.

739
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.880
Also, I'm a gun we go
look there's new hamdprints. This is

740
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.920
like noon why. I mean,
it's got to be a game. It's

741
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:59.000
got to be a game. Absolutely. So one of the haven't got to

742
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.840
the camper yet. We had this
nice little camper that they keeping the turnaround

743
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:09.679
of the driveway or standard you know
ranch home, blacktop driver with a turnaround

744
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.760
and got a really good camper,
nice little camper, new and it has

745
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:18.519
the standard dot mergency exit window.
And the reason I know it's the standard

746
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:23.599
size because I've actually looked into buying
more of them just in case I break

747
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:30.000
one, but actually collecting the whole
window, and that was two hundred and

748
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.199
thirty bucks. It's like, now, it's good to know in case I

749
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.159
break one. When I because I've
taken out a pull on that camper in

750
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:41.280
and out to lift the prints and
do different things differently. Sometimes I can

751
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.480
do it right off it. But
we sleep in that camper. They will

752
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.480
sleep in the camper. And actually
the most prints I've ever collected off of

753
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.960
it was when the woman was out
there by herself one night sleeping the camper.

754
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:59.800
You know, the the dinut window, the backsplash of the kitchen sink,

755
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.480
and you know that that right by
the big bed master bed. We're

756
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:10.280
going to call it right there.
And the emergency exit window it's like twenty

757
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.840
by thirty or something. It's a
it's a dot uniform size and they're all

758
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:21.679
tinted and that window is so consistent. And hopefully you can see that video,

759
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:27.159
you know, and I might.
My YouTube channel is not really looked

760
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.559
at that much. But boy,
what of a stunning moment. Moment it

761
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:35.679
was when first saw those and trying
to figure out how to document this,

762
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:40.440
and it's like, I mean yet
there was a step ladder and had somebody

763
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:45.400
else with my camera and uh,
and I put the baby powder on it,

764
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.519
and that those handprints with the noseprint
in the middle just came to life.

765
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:55.000
It was. It was stunning.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty uh,

766
01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:00.719
pretty neat to watch, oh that
is and get them over and over.

767
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:05.159
So when I stayed in there April
nineteenth this year, twenty twenty four,

768
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:10.880
I tend to sleep on my right
side, so it was my face

769
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:14.800
is towards that window, and I'm
like, I don't know, eighteen twenty

770
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:18.800
twenty four inches away from that window, and I always pulled the shade halfway

771
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:23.719
down. It's tinted, and then
what I'll do is I'll just leave one

772
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.639
little night light out in the bathroom, close the door so there's just a

773
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.400
little bit of light in there.
But I make them work for it.

774
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:35.000
Well, this handprint, you could
tell that they put their left hand on

775
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:41.800
the window and was leaning peering in, and because the shade was down,

776
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.920
they had to keep going lower and
lower. So the fingerprints that they were

777
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:49.880
leaving was like a plant, you
know, that hand plant. And then

778
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.119
I got a little bit lower,
and it's like an inch lower, inch

779
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:59.880
lower, inch lower, inch lower, So there's like ten or twelve fingerprints,

780
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.320
you know what I mean. As
the hands slid down, and you

781
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.800
know, as I got in that
position, well then that's when I could

782
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:11.599
see under the blind and see my
face. And I didn't go down and

783
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.719
say, man, I don't see
Bigfoot. But man he saw me again.

784
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:20.480
I mean, good thing he didn't
open your eyes. Well that happened

785
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:26.840
to me one night and there was
a print on the window and it was

786
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.480
like, well, this time of
year, you know, it starts getting

787
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:36.840
light that pre dawn corded to five, and well I had adjusted those windows

788
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.679
certain ways, and it is a
little creepy. So I put the blinds

789
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.159
down, but I leave it a
little bit to make them work for it,

790
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.840
and something just I just woke up
and I looked over at that window.

791
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:53.199
I'd see this gray under the shade, you know, like three four

792
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:58.239
inch like bar gray bar of lights
kind of what it remind me. And

793
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.440
well, this time my glance,
I see maybe what time it was by

794
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.840
how light it was. It's like
I only see these two little triangles on

795
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:09.280
both sides. So in other words, I'm seeing the traps of this thing.

796
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:14.239
Didn't realize it. We look over. I look at the phone,

797
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.600
it's like four o'clock whatever it was, and I glanced back over at it.

798
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:23.439
It's gone. And it's just like, no, I'm going to sleep,

799
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.479
HadAM do that? I hit that
backsplash and where they've really scared me

800
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.119
there, and so i'm you know, taking the belt off, you know,

801
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.720
sitting in the flashlight and your side
arm side and you know, kind

802
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:44.279
of getting ready to go to bed
where they've been that fingernail on the glass

803
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.279
on the backside. B I hit
that shade down. I'm like, I

804
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:57.079
can't do this right now. It's
and they've gotten so close to me over

805
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:03.760
there these last couple of times that
it's getting more disconcerting. You'll see in

806
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:09.159
one of the videos that I posted, I had a buddy come down.

807
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:15.840
He's an archaeologist and he's very interesting, super skeptical, but he's he's very

808
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.479
interested. And uh so I had
him started writing into collecting a fresh handprint.

809
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:25.319
So it's like eleven o'clock at night. He's being the camera guy and

810
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.960
one of these things around him.
So you know, I you have like

811
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.880
a back porch light on and be
the arc of light and it'll be like

812
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:36.119
a wall of blackness or literally something
could just be standing in that. They

813
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:42.439
can see you fine, but you
can't see into that darkness. He's his

814
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:48.319
back is to them closer. One
did quadruped run by. It reminded me

815
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:53.079
of the sound of the bongos,
like when Scooby Doo and Shaggy would get

816
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.880
scared and do do do Do Do
do do and go running away, And

817
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.720
that's exactly what it sounded like.
And it's like why And it made me

818
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:06.760
think of that counting coup, that
nest that I found down there. Now

819
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:14.720
I'm more comfortable calling a bed,
but talk to some people's you know,

820
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:20.359
I guess the qualification of the you
know, primate behavior yeah, this is

821
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:26.600
absolutely where the juvenile was was copped. And I'll tell you I was.

822
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.039
It's where I lost sight of the
juvenile run into, but I found the

823
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:35.119
perch which it started from, which
was just incredible. The behavior how they

824
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:39.560
observe us. And i'll tell you
the other thing that's interesting about if they're

825
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.439
observing us walking or driving, it's
against just like archery, it's and also

826
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:48.319
if you're a sniper, that quartering
away shot. So in other words,

827
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:53.600
for you to see them pull that
branch down and look at you, you

828
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.479
would have to know exactly how to
turn all the way over your right shoulder

829
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:02.800
to look back. Reason I caught
it was I ended up being on foot.

830
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.880
And the reason I was on foot
there was a guy there doing some

831
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:13.640
filming and I pointed to him,
It's like, Derek, this is where

832
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.880
a ball of light came from,
because usually over on that other hill and

833
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.760
this one night was behind us,
and it kind of spook to me a

834
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:25.119
little bit, but that's where I
filmed it from. It was over here.

835
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.000
You know. It's like, oh, well, I haven't been looking

836
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.079
at direction. And I saw that
each night limb come down and then pop

837
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.680
right back up and being a hunter, and you know I got the hunter

838
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:41.399
eye. Well, you know,
nothing else is moving. It's a sizable

839
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:44.279
branch. You know, you start
to gaze and stuff, and all of

840
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:48.279
a sudden, I see the four
black feet going along just under the lower

841
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.680
scaffold of you know, these trees. And meanwhile, I'm trying to get

842
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.720
Derek's attentions, you know, not
saying not take my eyes off it,

843
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:01.279
but trying to grab his arm because
you know, he grew his black guy.

844
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.520
He lives in you know, Baltimore. He's you know, having a

845
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:06.439
great experience in the woods and you
know, it was fun and teaching the

846
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:10.560
stuff, and he's just an awesome
guy. And it's like, I don't

847
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.840
get to see that many bear either, and I want to get his attention

848
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.720
because we're going to see a black
bear right here. And that black bear

849
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:21.359
comes out a little bit of an
opening and it doesn't stand up. It

850
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:30.680
it displayed every locomotion other than the
paddy compliant gate walk, and uh,

851
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:35.119
he didn't see it, you know, And I saw it displayed the pit

852
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:43.720
paleo pelio erection that the hair stand
up, so uh, it was knuckle

853
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.079
running. It was first quadruped and
then it, you know, accelerated and

854
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:53.079
of course going away from me at
the oblique and went up to go over

855
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.720
a tree top because you know,
there was some logging done in there,

856
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:59.840
and these branches are probably still four
or five inches, but they're several years

857
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.600
old. As he started scrabbling over
that, it broke under his weight and

858
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:08.760
it startled him. He dropped like
a foot and a half. The hair

859
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:14.680
on his goofy wide shoulders, the
hair on those shoulders stood right up,

860
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:19.640
just like a dog if the dog
was startled angry, or a cat,

861
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:26.319
and in that moment too. And
there's so much benefit of being a bull

862
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.239
hunter because there's so much processing goes
through your brain, Like you know,

863
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.279
when you decided that you want to
take that shot, there's so much calculating

864
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:38.000
that you have to do to make
that quick shot. I felt that that

865
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:42.880
was really my benefit. Plus you
know, I had my hunter brain turned

866
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.920
on, so yes, I was
primed, but that was also my benefit.

867
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.479
I have my brain primed, and
it was I don't know, five

868
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:57.439
or six feet and I got this
Scholder laser that used for bird control,

869
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:01.399
and it's it's most power layers.
You're gonna have that license and so I

870
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.920
sent a fella in and I marked
my spot on the ground, I painted

871
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.840
with a laser, sent them out
through the survey steak, planted it and

872
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:15.760
worked everything backwards and found where Mama
and this thing we're sitting and sat repeatedly

873
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:21.520
wore the bark off of this tree
and you could see the beeteen and you

874
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:26.119
know, I get in that position
and pull the limb down. There's my

875
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.319
four wheela and I parked my four
wheelaer right over the mark I made in

876
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:32.920
the road where I saw it,
and I didn't leave a track in there.

877
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:38.279
And then that's when I came down
a couple of weeks later and found

878
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:45.359
that perch area busted up. These
are sizable branches, and that was a

879
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:50.159
little spooky in there. And that
night I have to drive out and now

880
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.640
it's dark and drive past that.
So I had to change how I was

881
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.840
going to collect these pieces because I
was just gonna I had some brand new

882
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:01.319
razors and I was going to do
a scrape off of that peteing off of

883
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:04.560
that wood to obtain the DNA,
and I could just do a bunch of

884
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:08.840
them, you know, to brand
the disposable razors. Well, now I

885
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:12.119
got to collect these pieces, and
I need to encapsulate them differently. So

886
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.920
I was gonna go down the town
to get something. And as I drove

887
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.640
past that talked about these balls of
light creating light right where that was,

888
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:24.800
All of a sudden, the woods
just lit up as though somebody started a

889
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.920
campfire, poured a bunch of lighter
fluid on it, and torched it off.

890
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.039
Like I couldn't see the fire,
but I could see the sudden effect

891
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:38.840
of the flames on the foliage,
the light that it is casting. Man,

892
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:42.159
I stopped that truck right away,
shut it off, kill all the

893
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:45.479
lights, and get my phone out, put out the window, I start

894
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:51.199
recording, and that glowings coming out
more and more. And of course I

895
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:55.159
think there's a road crossing here,
and like all your other road crossing,

896
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.439
so you're gonna find on a curve, a little bit undulating ground, there's

897
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:02.039
always going to be some kind of
a hidden screen and effect benefit of that's

898
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:08.920
and that's why they crossed there.
Well, that's what this offers. And

899
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:12.239
except I have the peak of it, I can see down into it,

900
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:17.039
and I'm filming it. Well,
now these three balls of light like candalope

901
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:24.159
size come out and they're kind of
an incandescent color, perfectly spaced, maybe

902
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:27.840
five six feet off the ground.
And they come out up onto that roadway

903
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.399
and a perfect line, one on
the shoulder, one in the miller road

904
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:41.199
and I shoulder and they stop right
there like there was no no confusing that

905
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.479
this is a message. It was
like a wall in front of me and

906
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.760
I'm like, I'm narrating it as
I'm filming it, and I'm like,

907
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:55.520
only God, and they're just standing
there and it's my only way out.

908
01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:01.800
Oh I uh pree silver and put
my ten under my thigh, put the

909
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:09.399
windows up, locked the doors like
that would help, and took the tractic

910
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.720
control off with a four wheel drive
on, put in tow mode and started

911
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.760
up and I spun up that turbo
and I let her eat and it's like

912
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:24.000
I'm leaving here. I'm driving through
or over whatever this is. And I

913
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:29.479
come worn down that hill and they
just single file moved right out over into

914
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:31.000
the woods. I could watch them
a little bit as I came ripping through,

915
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:36.359
which later it struck me that because
I watched those lights continue, well,

916
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.159
at that point they'd be probably one
hundred feet in the air because the

917
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.520
valley drops off right there, and
I went down the town. I went

918
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:49.079
to a bar, and i'll tell
you the bartender, I talked to you,

919
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.800
there will never go in the woods
again. That really rattled me.

920
01:17:55.279 --> 01:18:00.680
And then the next day I go
back in there, walked in a little

921
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.920
bit different way. I took one
of those sugar roads, and I walked

922
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.920
just a little bit too far.
Trying to go back to the perch with

923
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:15.319
my new way of collecting these basically
eighteen inches pieces of wood, huge chunks,

924
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:23.439
I accidentally entered the nest the bed, which coincidentally was where I lost

925
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:29.119
sight of the juvenile. And that
bed was stunning. And the first thing

926
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.560
I saw was some interesting poop.
But then there's like this roop barb.

927
01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:35.600
I started lifting that up. There
was a group scat and some big scat.

928
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.479
Now it could be bear, I
don't know. I didn't taste it,

929
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.560
but there's a smaller scat right with
it, and primates poop in the

930
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:49.760
group, you know what I mean, literally from where they'll bed, they'll

931
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:56.560
uh in My learning is you know, or a bear doesn't care where they

932
01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.880
go, you know. And it's
basically just an impression. But the stunning

933
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:04.000
thing that I saw immediately, and
this kind of goes back to my you

934
01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:10.880
know, studying archaic man. All
it's ringed with like these tools of opportunities,

935
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.960
sticks that are like twelve to eighteen
inches long. Gloss of them are

936
01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:17.359
a little branch like a little why
so as if you're laying in the middle

937
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:20.840
of that, you got all these
fidget sticks or little sticks to pit your

938
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:26.479
back or to do whatever with.
And the real componing thing to me was

939
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:32.319
the ferns. There were ferns that
were picked, let's say maybe ten or

940
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.720
twelve, laid in the middle of
the bed, and you could see how

941
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:41.920
they were compressed and starting to decay. Then you could see another layer that

942
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.359
were a little more fresh compressed,
and then there was another layer, and

943
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:50.439
then there was the layer that was
slept down this morning. You know what

944
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:55.319
I mean. In other words,
yea where the walls of light started.

945
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:02.039
Something slept on those ferns. It
was larger than me. And pick those

946
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:08.479
ferns from somewhere else to line that
bed, and it's where those balls of

947
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:13.239
light came from. And they were
only reason I originally looked over there and

948
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:16.319
saw the juvenile was telling them pointing
up to somebody that's where I recorded that

949
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.319
ball of light. Now doesn't make
these related, and I'm not going to

950
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:28.439
stick that claim. A boy sometimes
where the smoker's fire, you know,

951
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.159
it's pretty interesting. And I collected
that nest and documented. I collected the

952
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:39.960
whole thing and the the hair that
has come out of that. So here's

953
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:43.119
some tricks for people that I've I've
learned from this. So if you got

954
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.920
a spot and they they will bed
these depressions. So in other words,

955
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:51.079
were maybe a large tree one hundred
years ago, fell out of it and

956
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:58.000
left the crater right, so they
only need they'll lay in those. And

957
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.119
I think it's part of like a
blind that this organized hunting and they might

958
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:04.359
only have a few other things.
So just think about you or if you've

959
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:08.439
ever taken a kid hunting and you're
in the blind, you know you get

960
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:14.439
fidgety, and every self respecting hunter
would have some jack links, beef turkey.

961
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:19.960
Well they'll they'll sit in something like
that and they're gonna and you'll see

962
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:26.039
the sticks surrounding it. Well,
I found another of these sites, which

963
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.239
you know, if it wasn't for
the woods, these all this stuff would

964
01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:34.640
be withinside of one another this is
like half mile square. This is why

965
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.239
I haven't explored the rest of the
property. I don't have to. There's

966
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:43.439
so much habits right here. Anyways, I take a roll of plastic,

967
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.359
something hopefully white, and I'll open
it up, or it might even be

968
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:51.000
a series of white trash bags,
and I'll just run it along that surface.

969
01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:56.600
Let it be nice and staticky.
You'd be amazed the hair it picks

970
01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:02.439
up just using static electricity. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And what the

971
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:08.479
hair the impresses me is the stuff
that's you know, ten twelve, sixteen

972
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:15.239
inches long. There was another observation
I made with one of those was so

973
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:20.039
this was under a homlock, and
I noticed that ring of these little limbs,

974
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:28.279
and well, these hemlocks. You
know, again, I'm very familiar

975
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.760
with deer, deer brows, It's
what I do. And also familiar with

976
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.720
pruning. I you know, I
supply orchards and vineyards of you know,

977
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:39.560
the pieces and parts to grow it. Not the plants, but you know

978
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:43.119
the time training, the harvesting,
the protecting, and also the pruners and

979
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:47.960
shears. Well, these hemlock branches
looked like somebody snipped them with a nice

980
01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:54.560
diagonal cut of a you know,
a Falco Swiss made pruner that caught my

981
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:59.760
attention, or maybe it looked like
a beaver did it. But this place

982
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.600
is right, you know, it's
not the right location for any of that.

983
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:08.039
And it's ringed around and deer.
It has to be pretty crappy.

984
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:11.039
It'd be later in the season world, which which this was March, and

985
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:15.079
it'll start hitting that kind of browse, but they'll work the green tips in

986
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:21.880
whatever was there wasn't eating the small
tips of these branches. It was eating

987
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:28.359
the stuff that was like a half
inch three quarter inch big and a diagonal

988
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:33.560
cuts. In other words, if
you imagine had a h stock and sealery

989
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.960
being a whole long stock and you
put it in your mouth and you're putting

990
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:41.319
the side of your mouth and bite
on it, you know we're gonna get

991
01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:45.880
that shearing effect like a pruner,
and it's gonna be on a diagonal of

992
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:49.479
this like a stock gallery. And
that's the way that these were in a

993
01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:56.199
clean cut. And it was really
so you know, you do your homework

994
01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:01.199
well. Eastern hemlock. The medicinal
value of it is incredible and loaded with

995
01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:06.479
vitamin C. So as this creature
sat there bored and didn't have the beef

996
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:12.079
jerkey. The chew on it,
you know, took care of itself.

997
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:19.119
And which thing. They've studied this
with apes and chimps in in zoos and

998
01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:24.000
wondered why that they chew on it, and they concluded that it was salt.

999
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:28.800
Well, you know, I actually
have the exact information on that.

1000
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:35.319
I don't need to remember enough.
The medicinal value of the Eastern hemlock loaded

1001
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:43.680
vitamin C. It's an astrinsic.
It's also used uh you know your old

1002
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:51.199
appellation doctors. You know if you
had absessed, you would you would work

1003
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:57.640
your gums with that, uh,
diarrhea and strinsic vitamin C. It was

1004
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:00.880
everything that made perfect sense for something
to eat that ended up the branch to

1005
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:05.479
work it in and kind of like
take care of its teeth, right,

1006
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:10.119
And that makes sense because all animals, they could live a long time,

1007
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:14.960
but the one common factor that determins
the length of their life are their teeth.

1008
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:17.800
As soon as you lose the teeth, you don't eat. It would

1009
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.920
make sense that something smart like this
would take care of the teeth. Plus

1010
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.760
being bored, and ironically, the
only reason I looked over there is because

1011
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:31.119
I watched this hen walk by and
cross over there. I was interested in

1012
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:36.000
where her nesting site was, and
it was like a perfect little ambush point,

1013
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.720
so because even more interested. So
yeah, I document I collect this

1014
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.880
stuff, and had my eighty five
year old dad with me, and I'd

1015
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.319
take him home unload the back of
the truck his stuff. So I got

1016
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:54.079
those limbs in a bag. I
have to unload those first, And just

1017
01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.800
at that moment, a neighbor had
walked up with her dog, and I'd

1018
01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:03.960
took that bag of those hemlock sprags
down, and that dog tipped the bag

1019
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:12.399
over. The dog was like quaking, not shaking, quaking, and pulled

1020
01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:20.159
one limb out and and the dog
sniffed and inspected every single inch around every

1021
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:25.239
single of those branches. And there
was one in particular. It was the

1022
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:29.680
first one, honestly caught my eye
that looked like you could see if somebody

1023
01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:32.039
was really like tewing on it,
turn it like a handle, you know

1024
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:36.520
how you would handle a pine tree. You're gonna you're gonna kind of like

1025
01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:40.399
an a braider. You're gonna take
some of that to bark off, and

1026
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:44.000
if you had oily hands, you'd
see some of the pa teen on it,

1027
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:46.319
and that's what this looked like.
That was actually the first piece that

1028
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:55.840
caught my mind. And it with
this dog, this primal response this dog

1029
01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:59.800
had and it's it's on my channel
too. I mean, I don't know

1030
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:04.680
what it means, but interesting observation. Yeah, for sure, I'm jumping

1031
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:10.880
all over because I enjoy it.
I don't have an elevator pitch for this.

1032
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:14.600
There is no way I can shorten
this up. Again. I really

1033
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:19.359
appreciate you and your old shows that
you did with them. I remember that

1034
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:26.880
night when we had our experience when
we interrupted that deer drive and one of

1035
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:33.039
the fellas saw one on the corner
of his eyes, and you know,

1036
01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:36.520
he's like my son, and both
these boys they're they're not they're they're tough

1037
01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.560
boys, you know, they're they're
they're country boys, and they're they're smart.

1038
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.840
And he actually went next year going
to be a marine. And I've

1039
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.159
only seen him scared like this twice. And the other time was when he

1040
01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:56.159
was down there with me again and
the white wide eye and we come back.

1041
01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.319
He's got a fire going and he
was turning out. My son and

1042
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:02.640
I were both and brought the guns
down to dial them in that weekend,

1043
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:06.600
sighted him in and he's got every
gun out loaded, every rifle, every

1044
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:11.239
shotgun, huge fire blazing when I
came up, because of course I'm the

1045
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:14.159
guy. I don't come out of
the woods, so it's pitch black and

1046
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:17.159
I'm looking. It's like you're burning
every stick of fur with the whole weekend,

1047
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:21.399
you know, and just warrant and
the looks at them, and this

1048
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:25.720
moment was so special. We're talking
about what happened, you know, the

1049
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:29.039
tree notch, all this stuff,
and we're already doing some big footing,

1050
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.479
but with this denial that we were
in, and I asked, it's like,

1051
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.600
okay, guys, what do you
think we're dealing with all three of

1052
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:39.600
us at the same time. It
was like the submission of guilt a bigfoot,

1053
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.920
you know. And I was already
listening to your channel that you were

1054
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.680
doing with those other fellas, the
outlaws, and they had information, just

1055
01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:55.319
walked us through some stuff and opened
our eyes and so validated the owl and

1056
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:01.439
the animal mimicking that they do.
I got more stuff, how they mark

1057
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.720
stuff, what they do with birds, what they do with feathers. The

1058
01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:11.760
other fellop that this was the night
before, you know, seeing the Juvenile

1059
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:16.359
and such. We couldn't get the
lights to work, you know, I

1060
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:18.840
mean to the film because we had
the gear down and going through all this

1061
01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.960
stuff. And this guy came up
to try to, you know, do

1062
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:30.560
some kind documentary. And we're in
the camper right on that curve and it's

1063
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:39.600
a Memorial Day weekend twenty twenty and
meant to dine net and I'm leaning against

1064
01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.920
my head against the camper window and
Derek was the same way. And then

1065
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:49.159
this other fella, he's like a
son of mine, and this fellap he's

1066
01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:55.479
in military contracting business and security clearance. And the quality of this person,

1067
01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:04.000
you know. And this fella,
he's sitting at ah couch perpendicular to us,

1068
01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:08.359
so basically he's looking out the dining
that window of a camper and we're

1069
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:12.640
facing having this conversation, and all
of a sudden again the eyeballs go way

1070
01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:15.680
up. You see the white above
the eyes. He is a big boy

1071
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.000
too, and it was just a
couple of years out of the Marines,

1072
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:20.720
and you know, that weekend he
was working with guys in the field with

1073
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:25.079
names that are he doesn't even know
their names, but go by like mineo.

1074
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:30.960
You know there there they're real life
trigger pullers, and uh so you

1075
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.680
know he has that persona as well. And all of a sudden, I

1076
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:41.720
see him pull his hands over,
is growing and starts treveling, and then

1077
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:46.640
he starts tipping over and like going
into a fetal position. But memo not

1078
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:50.319
taking his eyes off of us.
But Derek and I all of a sudden

1079
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:56.520
realized he's not looking at us.
He's looking between us. He's looking out

1080
01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:00.760
the window, and we you know, and I've already I've had a couple

1081
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:06.359
actions, so my neck doesn't turn
that fast. And Derek, he's a

1082
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:12.640
real athletic guy. He jumps up
like so cartoon fluid, like I,

1083
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.520
let's see. Wow. He just
saw moving on the corner of his eye.

1084
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:23.600
I didn't see anything. And my
young man there, he had an

1085
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:28.239
Apple watch on, and his rusting
heart rate went from like sixty seven to

1086
01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:33.119
one forty seven in an instant.
And to watch this thing melt the primal

1087
01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:40.600
brain and my belief and this is
because of my injuries of one of the

1088
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:44.319
things that they do. This is
not even to a hypothesis stage. It's

1089
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:50.720
just a speculation through observation. You
know that with this ultrasound low frequency that

1090
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:56.119
they're vibrating with the vegas nerve because
there's something that's affecting these other animals,

1091
01:31:56.199 --> 01:32:00.720
and every animal has a vegas nerve, and if you impact change that,

1092
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:05.560
that's the thing that creates the fight
flight message. And you can physically press

1093
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:10.880
on it and change your state.
And it's a long ear. You can

1094
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.159
calm yourself and somebody's in the trauma
mode, you can calm him down,

1095
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:19.880
but you can also things can also
trigger it as well. And I've had

1096
01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:27.720
that fault and another guy that literally
just did other high end performing things like

1097
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:32.520
that too in the military, and
he got blasted next to me and he

1098
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:36.119
melted down too, which was crazy. And these are not guys to melt

1099
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:39.640
down. But here I am feed
away from both of them, and nothing

1100
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:44.840
happens to me because I'm already broken. It's literally, you know what I

1101
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.399
mean, With this neck injuriate's already
banging into my vagus nerve. So it

1102
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:51.720
doesn't affect me like them, but
to see how it changed them. And

1103
01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:56.880
this fella he curled up on the
couch and I've known him since he was

1104
01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:02.039
seven. I want to go no, this isn't fun, Todd, I

1105
01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:04.760
want to go home. No,
I'm not kidding. It's like wow,

1106
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:09.960
you know. And so I'm getting
ready to go out there and get certain

1107
01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:14.199
things on and certain lights, and
I'm trying to calm him down. And

1108
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:19.039
I give him a weapon that actually
was his that he started hunting me with,

1109
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:23.319
and I actually bought it back from
him, made a nice little concealed

1110
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:28.239
carry gun, and I given that
to him. It's loaded, and he

1111
01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:36.840
he just his behavior and I'm and
I'm interested in trauma then psychological trauma and

1112
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:42.840
for reasons and I've become a student
of that and what he went through whatever

1113
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.439
came up to that window, and
I asked him, what did you see?

1114
01:33:46.520 --> 01:33:51.520
We've talked many times about it.
It melted his brain down, like

1115
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:56.560
it whatever it was, did something
to him and got into his head.

1116
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:01.359
And his response was, we don't
have a gone big enough what he described

1117
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:05.199
what he saw, and it was
it was a typical trauma thing that like

1118
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:10.760
images are blocked. And I've been
through stuff like that where you can get

1119
01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:14.319
a hyper focus of a situation,
do really well, or there'll be pieces

1120
01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:18.560
and parts that you performed incredibly but
you don't even remember doing, you know,

1121
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:24.720
and I think that's what happened to
him. What did you see?

1122
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:29.960
And he's like, well, if
there was a ghost of a bigfoot,

1123
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:33.920
he saw the ghost of a bigfoot. If they could cloak, he saw

1124
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:41.840
one cloaking, or he saw one
of these balls of light that looked a

1125
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:44.880
little bit different, came up to
the window and did some kind of Martian

1126
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:49.199
mind meld down him, you know, because I proceeded out that door,

1127
01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:57.399
and incidentally, I put plastic down
in front of the camper because you know,

1128
01:34:57.399 --> 01:35:00.479
it was raining, and you know, I'm a bachelor. I hate

1129
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:02.279
clean and I'm not the cleanest person, but I figure out if you can

1130
01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:06.279
keep the mud out, I get
it not cleaning. Well, if whatever

1131
01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:12.079
walked on that would have left muddy
footprints, if it came from the mud.

1132
01:35:12.279 --> 01:35:15.640
There was nothing in front of that
window. And I'm really proactive about

1133
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:20.600
I just don't come bursting out into
things for certain reasons. But I'm analyzing.

1134
01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:24.960
I don't want to destroy anything as
I go into it. Plus I'm

1135
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:30.159
trying to be hyper awareness, hyper
vigilant of what's around that corner in the

1136
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.079
darkness. Would Derek follow me with
the camera and oh my god, I

1137
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:39.920
give that guys so much credit for
following me. And I had my clear

1138
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:45.359
and I have to wear glasses now, and you know, I had an

1139
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:49.239
injury that you know, so I
kind of got to keep these things on.

1140
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.800
And also, you know, so
I got a light on the end

1141
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:57.000
of this pistol with a laser.
Not like it's going to do anything.

1142
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.439
It's probably just onto a little piece
of mind for me or whatever. And

1143
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.920
have the flear up to my eye. But I am not taking my glasses

1144
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:10.600
off. And I'm also not going
to mess up my peripheral night vision because

1145
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:15.840
my perferal vision has already been compromised
because what happened. And so it makes

1146
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:26.039
me leave a little more proactive.
And I am seeing this two heat signatures

1147
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:29.680
just off into the golden rod,
just before it breaks down into the valley,

1148
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:33.119
you know, the edge of the
forest, but you know, fifty

1149
01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:40.239
degrees, it's kind of raining.
I don't know what a rotting log looks

1150
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:45.319
like this fleer. I nearly tested
that far and is this just two decaying

1151
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:51.439
logs that are here? But also
where the game of you know, the

1152
01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:55.720
Missouri Shuffle, at least that's what
we call it up here, don't necessarily

1153
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.479
pay attention once in front of you, you know there's going to be a

1154
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:02.479
noise behind you, and sure enough
there's a stick pit breaks and uh and

1155
01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:09.560
part of this eye thing too,
My connection to rare a sound is a

1156
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:15.800
skewed and so hey, I'm shameless
and asked there exactly what was that sound,

1157
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.319
because to me, it's like,
you know, ninety degrees to my

1158
01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:20.399
right. I need to know exactly
where, and he's like, no,

1159
01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:25.960
it's off over here. Okay,
I'm gonna trust what you say where it

1160
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.920
is. And I want to hit
record on this flir. But you know,

1161
01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:33.800
in that trauma moment, and one
of the things that we start doing

1162
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:39.960
is you know that blood float,
that real tactile sense, you start losing

1163
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.520
that everything starts pulling back to the
core. Plus it's a little cold,

1164
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:46.359
and you know how the TK scout
is and that little bit of brow I

1165
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:51.359
can't feel to record, but I
need this in the moment as a tool

1166
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:59.199
to help me see. And we're
just in such a vulnerable position. And

1167
01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:00.600
then all of a sudden, out
from the other end of the camper,

1168
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.720
like right in front of my truck, this tree is slapped like an open

1169
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:10.920
palm, and this tree is kind
of sitting like on a hydroos. In

1170
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:14.760
other words, it makes a perfect
roost for songbirds. This is twelve o'clock

1171
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:17.560
at night. When that tree is
slapped, you can hear it vibrate up

1172
01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:24.720
the tree and you can hear all
these songbirds flush out it. And I

1173
01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:30.279
didn't want to turn around, but
of course we turned around. Yeah,

1174
01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.720
and I know this game, and
yep, and I im reiately turned back

1175
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:38.520
around to put the fluer on that. And you know, those logs are

1176
01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:42.439
gone. They must have rolled down
the hill or something. And then to

1177
01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:48.000
come back in that camper and see
the state that my guy I come in.

1178
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:54.039
He's got the gun unloaded, the
animal at one corner of the camper,

1179
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:59.560
the gun at the other furthest corner, the two furthest corners are deep.

1180
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:04.800
And the guy that is trained and
stress trained, I'm pretty certain Marines

1181
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:10.319
and he was a Ford observer radio
guy. So uh, yeah, you're

1182
01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:15.800
you're out in front of a lot
of people, and uh that's your default,

1183
01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:19.359
is your weapon. And to see
him give that up, he's like

1184
01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:24.159
something told him to that he had
to and he was gonna be saved that

1185
01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:29.439
way. And to see the state
that he was in, and uh so

1186
01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:35.880
his sake, nobody slept. Derek
slept shitting up at the dynet. Now

1187
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:43.359
my bed slides out and you could
picture something like stick in his hand right

1188
01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:45.680
up through the fiberglass, right in
my back, and they're both, how

1189
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:47.880
do you? How do you sleep
there like that? It's like, you

1190
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:54.760
know, they want me, take
me, and I've already been through something

1191
01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.479
like that where there was something that
came back and told me. That's another

1192
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:01.640
crazy story, but real quick,
something that I had told me that if

1193
01:40:01.680 --> 01:40:05.000
I wanted you dead, you'd already
be dead. So that has stuck with

1194
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:10.079
me. You know, there's nothing
we're gonna do about it other than not

1195
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:14.720
be there. So it was the
next day, letting him sleep in in

1196
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:16.399
the grain, and I'm walking the
edge of the roads. There's got to

1197
01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.479
be tracks. And then that's where
we walked down to. Hey, Derek,

1198
01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:23.319
that's where the ball light was,
and that's where I saw the juvenile.

1199
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:29.640
So all these things, well,
maybe that wasn't a bigfoot nest mate

1200
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:32.640
or perch, or maybe it wasn't
a juvenile I saw, or maybe it

1201
01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:35.920
wasn't this that and the other thing. But if you look at what happened

1202
01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:42.039
over that eighteen hours. Things start
supporting one another through correlation, don't they.

1203
01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:45.399
That's the thing. It's never just
that single puzzle piece that you're looking

1204
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:50.960
at. You have to look at
all the surrounding pieces and let the picture

1205
01:40:51.000 --> 01:41:21.000
be painted. Yeah,