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Let's jump into it, Carl, and we got lots of shit to
talk about. Oh yeah, the amount of notes that I have is a
little excessive, all right. So Season thirty nine, episode number three called
It's a matter of semantics, right, Yeah, sure, that's what it
was, all right. So they start off going back into the house and
everybody's congratulating James leus win. And during this we get a voiceover from Maurice
talking about the unofficial split in the house between the US and the international teams
or people, which we can kind of went over last week with Jay.
I was I was kind of surprised that they jumped back into it, but
it seemed to play a pretty big part in the next two episodes. So
yeah. And then we get a voiceover from Jay saying that he's really smart
and not just a pretty face, and they flashed to a picture of him
in I believe it's a speedo, but it sure fuck looks like another pair
of tidy whities. Oh James, Yeah, Oh yeah, sorry James,
not Jay. Yeah, he and his tidy white. It's like they're like,
right, I don't I couldn't remember. I can't remember if they were
white or yellow or I don't know. They just they looked like tidy whities.
And he loves his. I guess, so don't understand it. Jay
does come up to him and tell him that if he keeps running like he
did in that elimination that he definitely wants him, wants to go to the
final with him. Oh yeah, and it sounded like a complement, but
James was gassed the fuck out at that. That's the whole point. He's
like, yeah, I want your slow ass in the in the final But
I don't know if James actually if Jay actually meant it not like a compliment.
Mhmm. I think he did. I would hope so, But James
is dumb enough to realize that or not. I have no idea. Do
we think that James is actually as smart as he thinks he is? No?
Uh, probably not. I'm sure. I'm sure he's probably smarter than
people give him credit for, just because of the way he looked, But
he's probably not the smartest he thinks he is. Yeah. Uh, well,
and then I'm I'm then we got the scene that I'm pretty sure is
Wolfe's favorite, sure was Sim's favorite, most likely Zach's favorite. Carlin's Mariah's
ass was on full display. I mean, well, have just been bottomless.
Oh my god, she just and it wasn't even like a oh I
just happened to be sitting here wearing a thong. No, she is straight
up laying face down, like stomach down on the bed with her feet slightly
hanging off the backside of the bed, so she's the eight real easy to
just slip something in there. But I I looked at it and was like,
I didn't think Carl would be the perverted one in this situation. I
mean, did you see how she was laying on the bed and the angry
angle that the camera was at. Well, one of us took a picture
of it and said it to everybody in the chat room, So yes,
I did see this. And to be clear, listeners, the one of
us that wolf he was talking about, is himself worse. Yeah, it
was just I was I was not expecting that as a I was not expecting
that visual. Yeah, for the two of you in the chat room,
Jesus, I mean, good lord. Yeah. Again, not complaining,
But there was a cameraman who earned his pay that day. I mean I
think that may have been his pay. I did notice in these two episodes
that I don't think Mariah owns clothing that covers her entire body. Probably not,
I mean, to be fair, that's fine. I mean, if
I had a body like hers, i'd probably dress the same way. But
I don't think that she owns clothing that covers her entire body. But who
knows whatever, more power to her. I was just surprised, go for
it. I was just gonna say, if I had James's boddad, burn
all my clothes, so I don't blame Mariah. Yeah, unfortunately he is
his face so oh he's a butterface. Absolutely m hm, Poor James,
easy smart. Everything from the neck up can go away, including the boy
like I can't. I can't. I don't like the accent. Well,
I mean it's not Australian, but no, but he I don't. I
don't necessarily mind the accent. I just don't like the mouth, and I
just don't like him. We do get a little confessional for Mariah talking about
bananas both episodes, and about how she's torn because she's been hanging out with
bananas. It's her only flaws. She's spending time with bananas. Um.
And then we get Michelle telling some of the guys about Raven going and running
to someone said Kieran last week, and I corrected it to Kiernan, but
they were right. It is Kieren not Kiernan. Whatever wrong, Carlyn,
way to be wrong, Carolyn, excuse you. I have to deduct your
paycheck this week. Well shit, my free ninety nine, will now just
be free. Yes, there's a lot. There's a lot of talk about
Raven and her telling Kieran and the international guys what Chauncey was gonna do.
She does at one point in time, a little bit later talk about how
she was taking Chauncey's side by telling them this, and I'm I'm confused.
I can you guys explain? I do either of you understand this? No,
it didn't make me se me. No, I don't know. Yeah,
I don't get it either. Yeah, it made no sense to me
that she was that that meant that she was taking Chauncey's side. But whatever,
Oh we get it. We get a scene of Big Tea cooking steak
hell talking about those cooking skills she just recently earned. Yeah, the steak
looked good too. I want too. It did. Still missed out on
a steak dinner while everybody was in town. Whoom. It's a bummer to
go by myself to even and out you went. You went to dinner with
Tim or lunch, So that Mexican food is not on the same level as
a nice, juicy steak. That is true. And then we've got uh,
let's see try to go through my notes. Oh who. He says
that she's really happy that she has Hiassio in the house because she doesn't have
to speak uh English all the time and she can actually speak Spanish with him,
which makes her feel happy. We get a lot of There's a lot
of Berna and a lot of Huy and a lot of rave in this episode.
M h. And it starts almost immediately, so that's just kind of
everybody hanging out of the house. And then we have a hot tub party
woo. I think this is where Mariah's swimsuit came from. Probably yeah,
probably sneakily edited out of order. Most likely. We do get a shot
of Ossif in a bikini. And then this is where the the breakdown with
Burna starts happening. Uh. Burna's standing up and dancing, and at a
corner of Rye she sees Big Tea and Melissa whispering and laughing to each other.
Who knows if it even has anything to do with her. It probably
does, but who knows? And she starts crying and getting upset, and
so she confronts it's Melissa and Big Tea and tells them that they're bullying her.
And Melissa freaks the fuck out. She's very triggered by this because apparently
she was bullied a lot when she was younger. I have a hard time
believing that every single person that gets called a bully on these shows has also
in turn been bullied, because I feel like that is the immediate go to
of I'm triggered by you calling me a bully because I was bullied in school.
I feel like that happens every single time someone gets called bully. Not
saying that this one isn't real, it just no, I feel like it's
a common thing. Yeah, I don't know. It's one of those where
she talks about she was like a skinny tomboy and didn't fit in with everybody
else, and you know, of course now she's gorgeous, so it's hard
to be like, well, come on, did you really get bullied?
Yeah, we don't know. Probably. Jamie asked, was Melissa part of
the one season where the girls threw the suitcase over the balcony? No,
she was. I don't think she was there yet she was. I don't
believe she was part of the balcony throwing. That was Kaylee. And then
we had a bunch of the US girls that threw it over Kayla. She
didn't actually do it, but she was there was sort of the cause of
the other girls doing it. Wasn't so involved as well, Sylvia. I
don't remember. Then Melissa and Kayla got into a fight, like a physical
altercation during one of the seasons they were on together, and they both got
kicked out, So oh yes, I remember that. Wasn't at the same
time when like Melissa like kicked the light and cut her foot as well,
I think, so yeah, like that all three of those things happened in
pretty rapid succession over a few seasons. Because I thought that was going to
happen again, I was like, Melissa, don't get kicked out again.
Yeah, well yeah, because Berna chess bumps Melissa, which Berner should know
Melissa used to do in an a fighting right, Oh thank you. Yeah,
I've always like, ever since she told us that, and ever since
they I was like, oh fuck, yeah. It was like, no,
maybe, maybe don't get into a fight with Melissa. She may seem
small and easy to pick on, but don't don't don't get in a fight
with her. Even for people at home, there's just like, oh,
but I mean, she's not like a UFC fighter or anything like. It
doesn't matter if you've fought in mma, like, that's good enough for me.
She would fuck me up, yep, Oh, of course they would.
Yeah. And then so bern a chest bumps her and gets pulled back
by by the guys and then runs out of the room, breaks a lamp,
and then runs out of the house. Yeah. I'm not surprised by
any of this. Yeah, she seems like the type. It was very
reminiscent of Camilla. Is your dog, like chewing on a bow or something.
Fine. The only difference is there's a lot of times I don't realize
it's happening. Sorry, there's a lot of times I enjoyed Camilla over her
time on the show, Like she had her bad times, but she's also
enjoyable. I don't find Berna enjoyable at any point. True. I just
mean the freak out breaking things and running away. It seems like like a
fucking toddler reaction, just like I'm in trouble with something, I'm gonna break
this and I'm gonna run away. That's true. That's actually run out of
the house and like hide somewhere. It's like what are you doing? Yeah,
well, and Carlin's fighting with her dog. Sorry, I was trying
to get her bone away from her because otherwise she will just can in you
chewing on it. And like I said, I tune it out and don't
realize that it's happening. It's fine. I was trying to figure out what
it was, and I'm like, yeah, I bet her dog's chewing on
something. Yeah, that's what Margaret would do. Oh good. Yeah.
So we find out that Emmanuel and Burnet are really good friends and apparently she
is his number one, which I didn't expect. Did not expect it none.
Now, then cut to the next day, we get our workout montage.
Kyland has a really awful look on his face. Is he Yeah,
he has this like weird Joker esque smile as he's riding the bike. It
just or running or something. It was very odd. I was probably looking
at my phone like this is the montage? Yea, it was. There
were multiple montages in of like slow mo montages in both episodes. They could
have cut out like five ten minutes of the episode just by cutting those away.
All right, so we are going to the Chelemoh. The challenge is
called control tower. They have sixteen passengers and drivers, so eight of each
in eight different buggies, numbered one through eight. And then they have everybody
else up in the tower and two people from which the way he said it
was that everybody else is up in the tower solving equations, so it sounded
like the equations were in the tower. And then you come to find out
that only two people are solving equations and four people are in the tower,
and they have to run back and forth and once the equation has been solved
and tell them, and then the people in the tower telling the buggies where
to go. Yeah, I didn't understand the rules of this until it got
going. Yeah, it was. It was rather convoluted when they were trying
to describe it all. So there are four equations. Each equation is worth
ten thousand dollars, and if they get all of it done in thirty minutes
or less, then they get another ten thousand dollars, so fifty K total,
which I miss. I had. I kind of think that they gave
it a time limit for an extra ten K because they failed so miserably on
the last two. Because they've failed miserably so far. Yeah, like I
kind of feel like it was so this one. I definitely this one,
I thought definitely had a much more reasonable like ability to complete it in time,
not thinking that that they might have made it easier because they've been struggling.
Yeah, yeah, because I had, Like I think with the previous
two challenges, if they had said, like, get all of your stuff
done within this timeframe and you get that extra little bonus and for every I
don't know, ten minutes after or whatever, you don't, I don't know,
it feels like they probably could have changed it a little bit prior to
this. But whatever, So what did you guys think about this challenge?
It was fine, Like I don't know, there's not a whole lot to
really talk about. It's Kylon and Ed were really good at the math part
of it. Kylon had to tap out on one of them just because they
weren't getting anything, so Jay had to come in. Yeah. But honestly,
I feel like Edge is probably the MVP of this one, Like it
seems like he was just going through these equations like crazy, and then Michelle.
Everybody there was a couple who was it was it Kylon, who is
just like Michelle's really good at this. She's probably loving it bossing people around
is Yeah, it was either him or Jay, I know change, I
think it was Jay. I think it was Jay. Yeah, that makes
perfect sense. But yeah, it seems like she was giving really good directions
and like everything like there's no there's no real like this person didn't do good.
Like everybody seemed to do what they were supposed to do really well.
And unfortunately it makes for a very boring challenge to talk about because everything worked
out perfectly fine. Yeah, I mean, you're right, it was relatively
like I didn't mind the challenge, but it also wasn't all that much fun
to watch, and it probably wasn't as much fun to play either, because
it was a lot of like hurry and do this thing and then sit there
and wait, and then hurry and do this thing and then sit there and
wait. Yepely, if you're like the passenger in one of the cars,
like yeah, you're just like I got jack shit to do. I'm just
sitting here. I'm literally here, that that would be kind of fun to
do it if I was like one of the contestants. But I did not
think it made for good television. Yeah, I think it could have been
fun if you were Michelle or one of the guys doing math. Yeah,
we've been driving. Driving the cars was probably fun. But yeah, but
I mean you're literally just driving around in a circle and then backing up into
a spot. Yeah, but I mean compared to standing next to Michelle up
on the tower, like compared to standing next which Raven was one of the
people standing next to Michelle up on the tower. At one point in time,
she says, you know, I really want to prove myself in this
challenge. Like, too bad, bitch, there's nothing for you to do.
Nope. Hmm. Yeah. So they finally finished. Oh, we
find out that Ed is a stepdad. Yeah, Tim would love that.
Oh of course. And they finally win a challenge, even TJ with them.
Yeah, so exciting. We get to figure out what finally happens if
they win, the exact same thing that happens with they lose. Turns out
nothing nobody gets mean, nobody gets saved. It's just the exact same thing,
yep, which is kind of boring. Yeah. I don't know like
what they should do, Like, I have no ideas for how it should
be different if they win. But literally it's just oh same thing happens if
we win or lose. Good for us. Yeah, it would have been
nice to see some sort of I mean, I guess they're already getting an
extra hundred fifty thousand put into the bank, but it would have been nice
to see some sort of like benefit for them. Like what if, like
the group has to vote on an MVP or something. I was thinking that
that person gets like I mean, like you know, they don't they're safe
from elimination, or that person's vote counts twice something. Yeah, yeah,
I was thinking about that with an MVP gain community but like and they vote
for that. But I feel like that'd be something that would be so easily
gamed that it would basically be irrelevant because the majority would just team up and
always like decide who are giving it to this round that, like you know,
they're not going in any way, so let's just burn it on them.
Yeah, I could see that. I don't know, all right,
We go back to the house. Melissa goes and talks to Berna and apologize,
apologizes for screaming in her face, and kind of explains why she was
feeling that way, and they hug and makeup and everything's all hunky Dory.
There, Berna does explain that she didn't know there's a difference between true a
bully and being bullied. She thought it was the same thing. I think
the language barrier, yeah, would be part of the problem. So they
kind of go back and forth. Yeah, but they say which is good.
Then we have club Night who he has a has a confessional saying that
she loves the club nights and going out. Sure she does. Uh.
We see Michelle and Callum flirting again, and Michelle says she's waiting for the
other shoe to drop. That's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. I've already
seen the this season on. I know it's gonna happen. Yep. We've
got Emmanuel and Berna talking about her name being put out there. We have
Raven flirting with Corey, who is gay, which I found interesting. We
have Hueiye who is annoyed and telling Olivia that he's annoyed with Raven because Raven
went and called his name out on a previous challenge. And then we have
a bunch of shots of Raven going around and trying to do damage control,
which it's just I don't like her. Zach likes her. I do.
She wasn't Challenge Mania this past weekend, and she won me over I'm a
major Ravens. Stand now, how did she win you over? Sack?
She was just super nice and she wasn't look at Uh yeah, she was
cute. That's how she won Zach over feminine wiles. She I don't feel
like she has any substance. I don't know. I just I'm not a
fan of hers. She does not have a good social games. No social
game. Her social game is crap no. And it's so funny because I
feel like, you know, like it challenged Mania, she was amazingly social.
But you know that's also a very different atmosphere where you're not trying to
compete in backstabs. So maybe it's just that environment does not, you know,
go well with her personality. Now I see that, oh we have
we don't really see it, but Mariah's wearing another new boob shirt. Boob
shirt. It looks like a bunch of scraps of fabric, Like it's just
like three or four triangles covering just barely covering nipples. I was like,
I, how are you even in that? I didn't even notice that very
carefully. Come on, Zach, how am I noticing these things and you
guys aren't. I don't know. I'm a very non observant person. I
will miss very obvious things quite a bit. Oh Wolf, he's got a
cat in his lap, right in my face. And then we have deliberation.
Sorry, I was kissing my cat. I don't have time for this,
all right, Uh, deliberation. This is our third week in a
row that someone starts talking and just seems to dig themselves into a hole.
Yeah, just keep digging, keep putting that foot right in that mouth.
Kay in the chatroom says, what's the point of these deliberations? I don't
agree. I was going to say the same thing, other than for these
people to just dig holes for themselves. I really don't know, because there's
no it's not like any teams right now. So it's everybody just having the
same conversations they've been having in the house. Yeah, just for everybody to
have them all together rather than in separate bedrooms or whatever. I guess.
And I wouldn't mind that if at the end of the deliberation they did the
vote, but the fact that then they just like had the deliberation. Then
they just go about their own separate ways for a couple hours without voting.
Just seems silly to me. Yeah, same, it's very odd. Yeah,
but yeah, Ravens starts talking and says absolutely nothing of substance. Uh,
just seems to dig herself into a hole. Uh, Berna kind of
digs herself into a hole. She puts her name, She says that her
name's out there, and then she says that it's because of her bad personality.
Not in so many words, but that was basically what it came out
as, which made me, h, Yeah, that's really about it for
deliberation. That seems very blackluster thing. Hm. Does it surprise anyone else?
Like how like civil they are being about like alternating men's and women's and
that like no gender is trying to like just go on a run of it
did until next episode when TJ says, we have a few too many guys.
Let's make this a guy's day, and that immediately made me think that
this is not a them decision. Yeah, so I think they've been told
that it needs to be guy girl, guy girl, but it could be
guy girl, girl guy. It needs to be alternating, So I up
until this point, I thought, Yes, it's surprising how civil they they
were being, but what are you guys thinking? Yeah, it's like I
don't know. It kind of seemed that like I was the same way.
And then next episode TJ is like it's a guy's day. Yeah, and
again I was like, have they just not been showing that? I feel
like that I kind of feel like maybe that is it. Yeah, Yeah,
that would make sense because I was wondering, like I was like,
Okay, these women have now twice given the men of the numbers advantage even
though they've acknowledged that there's like some division based on gender, and I'm shocked
the guys haven't taken advantage of it. But then like you always have TJ
for some men's day on the fourth episode. Yeah, because if this had
been old challengers, if this had been challenging, like I mean, think
about back at like the Island and the Ruins and all of these times where
the guys were like, get all of these women out of here. The
moment that you give them all power, they're going to take it. In
the next episode gets real apparent because there's the circle jerk of narcissists. It
was great a challenge. Menia, Mark, Derek, and Brad were making
tons of jokes about like, oh yeah, like back in our day,
like we were very much like to to like, you know, it's important
to keep all the women around. I could see that, all right.
So let's see, we're back in the house and the girls, a bunch
of the ladies start talking about how they're going to burn the votes on the
guys and make the guys pick who goes in why not the UK guys pretty
much showed how it worked last episode, So yeah, Corey is not stoked
on this when he gets told this by Mariah, because I was actually kind
of surprised that the ladies even said anything to the guys. I assume that
this is going to be like a secret squirrel thing, like we're gonna do
this, but don't tell the guys, and then just at the actual elimination,
they'd start doing it and the guys be like, what the fuck secret
squirrel? Yeah have you never heard that? No, are do what that
is? And I feel like there might be an issue with trust then,
like if they just kind of sprung it on the men with no notice,
I mean, I guess that's true, but it just it. I don't
know. It also seemed a little odd to me, but yeah, who
knows. Yeah, Corey is really not okay, But the fact that the
ladies are going to burn the votes, he also does bring up what we
were just talking about about, like, you guys are about to burn all
your votes on us and give us complete power. What makes it, like,
what makes you think that we won't immediately take that power and get rid
of someone who's more beneficial to get rid of. I thought Corey had the
immediate right idea there. His mistake was vocalizing it to the women. Yeah,
I agree. Yeah, should have went back to the guys and be
like, this is what they're doing, maybe we should just get somebody get
out. Yeah. It could have been fun. It could have It could
have put a lot of chaos in the house. Yeah. Hum, all
right, oh we are excuse me? Goodness? Are you all right?
We are on to the elimentation? All right. They start running down the
votes, and within like three votes, TJ realizes there's a pattern with the
women and stops and goes, so, ladies, are you all just burning
your vote on guys and giving complete control to them? And no one denies
it. Big t even says, yeah, that's we just didn't want to
piss anybody off. TJ's not happy. No, TJ doesn't like it when
you skirt the rules, just like it when you quit. And this is
a former quitting. I agreed, I appreciate. So Raven ends up getting
called out by most of the guys. Uh, if not all of them,
I think maybe all of them. And she also puts her own name
in rather than burning on the guys, which I appreciated from her. Sure.
Uh. And then she calls she calls downhuy m hm, which is
a bummer. I like Hui. Yeah, but I think that has a
smart choice to vote for herself because if she goes back, which you know
we see that she does, she like doesn't want to be pissing off any
more people making new enemies on her way back in. Yeah, I agree,
you just like saying who is name? Yeah, I mean that too.
But she was just she was fun. She was super upbeat, she
was very sweet, she was it was fun to see her in the show.
She seems like a very positive person. Yeah, I mean, did
you see there was a point in time where she in a little bit where
she and Raven are wrestling, and she still has this giant smile plastered on
her face. It cracks me up, all right. So the game is
called Dirty Deeds. When they first walked in, I thought this was gonna
this was gonna be a super physical game because there's a ring in the sand,
But it turns out that it's only kind of physical. So there's a
ring in the sand, and in the middle of the sand of the ring,
there is a mound of sand that has three things buried in it.
The ladies have to run to the mound, dig out those three objects and
put them in there in their goal, which is on the opposite side of
the ring from where they started. One you pull the object out of the
ground, you are a free game to be tackled. But if you get
outside the ring with the object, then you are in the safe zone.
And it's the best two out of three. So you have to have two
rings two of the objects to win the round, and it's the best two
out of three rounds. Ultimately Raven ends up winning. Yay. Oh no,
I was very bored by this. Yeah it was. It was kind
of the kind of Paul wrestle, but not really Yeah, this seems like
another one of those that's like, well, let's make it safer, and
those are boring. Yeah, I mean ad bangers, that's what we want,
head bangers. I think it's Yeah, I think it's a bit safer.
Also, just because how the two girls chose to play like I can't
remember what was, but someone was screaming like just you know, like I
think Ton Raymond like just Dann then wait for her to dig it up and
then tackle her. Yep. Yeah that got said a few times, which
would have been an interesting uh, an interesting strategy. Yeah. The other
thing I didn't give about this is why did we have an outside rope?
Like they created the rule that like, once you get outside that first rope,
you can't attack them anymore. So what was the necessity of the second
rope? I don't know, who knows it? Yeah it was. I
mean again, this this elimination was relatively lackluster, which is unfortunate. Yeah,
so who He goes home. Horasio is sad because he liked having her
here. TJ does tell who He that she is the sweetest competitor they've ever
had. No get out of here yep uh, and then he tells everybody
else. Chaos is fast approaching, and it fades to black end of episode
three. Good lord, all right, this night dragged on forever. Yeah,
I told you guys earlier this week in private text, like I have
a suspicion we might be getting this going forward because of the bad ratings.
They might just be like, let's let's just push through the season as fast
as possible. Yeah. Maybe I don't know, so we might be getting
double episodes for a while. Who knows. Yeah, we'll see. I
tried to look ahead to you next week and I didn't. I didn't see
anything. I don't know. I haven't checked the MTV or the challenge Instagram
or anything. I'm going to I want to do that right now while you're
setting up episode four. But we also, let's see at the end of
episode four that you know, we're starting to get some of the mercenaries next
week, So maybe that's you know, maybe they just want to rush to
that and maybe, but who knows. All Right, Episode four called I'm
coming Out. I'm coming out. That's all I have so well to No
gotta let it show. It's a great song, all right. So we
start off as we always start off with everybody walking back into the house and
Raven is getting congratulated, you know after last season with of USA two where
every time they come back into the house and what's his face? We literally
just watched this and I don't remember it right now, thank you. They'd
walk back into the house and Chris wouldn't get any congratulations at all, But
they walk it back into this house and everybody's like, yay, sure,
it really put it into start contrast just how shitty it was for him.
Next week, only one episode because the new episode of Cribs starts at eight
thirty. They're doing Cribs again. Yep, all right, it's gonna be
T Diggs, Martha Hunt, and Nikki Garcia, which is somebody's acquill want
to see. Yeah, you only know who Ty Diggs is. I don't
know who that middle person is. So you don't know who T Diggs is.
I only know who beautiful black man? Are you kidding? Martha Hunt
is a model, Okay, I never heard of her. Who's the other
one? She's a wrestler? Nicky Garcia? Yes, okay, cool?
All right, so we come back in the house. We've got a voiceover
from Corey talking about a confessional from Corey talking about who He's still annoyed that
the ladies burned their votes on the guys rather than We've got a conversation between
Kylind and Melissa talking about why why did Raven call out Huey instead of of
someone like Colleen? Which I completely forgot that Colleen was even on this show,
right me too? She said like three words this entire season. Yeah,
Like she showed a confessional. I was like, who the fuck is
this? And I was like, oh, she was. She's with the
was it the Swedish team? German Her? German? Her? And that
other dude Colleen what's his name? Yeah, tall arian, blonde Viking looking
guy. Yeah. Kyland also mentions that he hasn't been on a show with
anybody else on this show, which I hadn't really thought about. He is
the only one from his from his show that has shown up on this episode
or this season, And yeah, I guess that's true. Is there no
one else? Say one? That's crazy? I didn't think about it.
I don't think so. Yeah. So he's as that he doesn't have a
number one on the show, which I just it. It struck me as
odd because I It never even crossed my mind. Number one would be Melissa.
I guess. I guess so you would think so, but I guess
he knows. And zach of Us had that, you know, Big Tam
Melissa each other's number ones. Yeah, that's true. This is also where
Zara finds out from Horacio that Corey suggested her name in the last episode.
Du No, I wouldn't be either, especially when they show the footage of
Corey and her talking and he's like, no, you're good, You're good,
you don't need to worry about You're good, and then two seconds later
like we should vote soar and it'll be great. Yeah, all right,
we are onto the challenge. Wow, this is our first swimming challenge of
the season. Woo. Yeah all right. So the game is played where
they are starting from the shore. They have to swim out to some booys
get the submerged puzzle pieces that are attached to lines underneath the buoys. There
are twenty five pieces and there are only twenty one people, so four people
have to go twice. At least four people have to go twice. You
have to dive down and get your piece and bring it over to the five
different puzzles. Once the puzzles are done, you can bring them to the
central barge and once everybody's up on the barge, you're done. But if
you cannot go down and get your piece, you have to stay at your
booie until you can either get your piece or someone else who has already gotten
their piece can come back and help you get your piece. Um, and
they have to do all of this within fifteen minutes, which I don't know.
I don't think there's a whole lot to talk about with this challenge.
But nurse has the biggest problem. She can't get down to get it.
Yep. Why I mean, maybe it's just editing, But why did everybody
wait so long? I don't know. I had that I wrote that down.
Oh we did. Miss Nourice is wearing a Scubinelli tea necklace because the
awful swimming from Scubinelli t is gonna help her? Right? It makes no
sense, No, it doesn't. But whatever it was, it was cute.
Tim would like it. It was cute, you know, I'm assuming
that you know that she wore that knowing that Nelly can't be there because of
his food, So like it's nice. If this is what we get like
once a season, get Nelly t shot out. I'm down for it.
We've had like three so far, though, whatever, I don't remember that.
Okay, yeah, they even called him and they called him in the
in the episode zero, that's what it was. Oh yeah they did there,
Yes, yeah, all right, Yet there were also So this doesn't
really have anything to do with the challenge, but I'm gonna go into it
anyway. I am I'm head of the safety committee for UH for my office,
and because we have a manufacturing facilitos thing, we have safety glasses and
steel hood boots and all these different things that we have to wear when we're
out on the manufacturing floor. And this is the second episode where I've noticed
this happening. There are a bunch of people who are wearing swim goggles on
their foreheads when they jump into the water and then continue to wear them on
their foreheads the entire challenge. And Big Tea in the episode where she went
into the elimination, she was wearing her safety glasses on her forehead when she
was breaking a thing of glass underneath her And I'm like, I, why
are these people even attempting to wear these things? If they're just gonna wear
them on their foreheads. This makes no sense to me. Safety just like
if you don't want to wear goggles, don't wear goggles. But if you're
gonna be breaking a pain class, maybe put your safety goggles on. Agreed,
dially quick and they challenged me. This last weekend, the Reese was
there and I did ask her aboutn l T. And he seems to be
doing well in the moment with his foot. That's good, it's good.
He saw he got charged with the DW. I oh, I didn't see
that. Yeah, all right, bad times, Yeah, it is,
oh, but well for you asked why did people wait so long? I
had that exact same thought like you would. My thought was if you would
get your puzzle piece and swim over to the puzzle and drop your puzzle piece
off, you should immediately turn around and go back to help get more puzzle
pieces. Right. Why did they all just sit like there was a shot
where they were farther out where there were like four or five people just sitting
on each one of the uh of the board games. Yeah, somebody should
go back and help Melissa and Nourice because they were the two that are having
the biggest problems and then eventually Melissa got hers. So just nourice. Yeah,
and then you see Ed swimming like a fish to go back and help
nourise. Yeah, he got three pieces in the same amount of time that
other people got one. Yep, good for him. Yeah, so they
have to put the puzzle pieces in there. They are able to get this
whole thing done. Yeah, they do it. And I and I call
shenanigans on that. I think that's editing, just to make it more dramatic.
I don't think that somebody was literally sitting on the beach with a stopwatch
and was like, oh man, you guys did it with three seconds left.
I think it was just like, yeah, they probably beat it by
like five minutes or something, and they're like, yeah, we got to
make it a little more dramatic, though, so make it so they get
it. They go down to the wire. I mean, TJ does call
out you have five minutes left at one point in time, and they still
had quite a bit to do. Hey TJ, we need you to yell
out you got five more minutes? Can you just do that real quick?
All right? Thank you, we got it, We got it, Thank
you. I think I think they've probably finished it with three seconds left.
Of course you do. I called bullshit. Yeah, and then this is
where so they're they're out of the water, they're all dried off again.
And this is where TJ says, you know, we have a lot of
guys, let's make this amends week. And it just think if if the
if the producers are the ones who are making that call, then why don't
they just tell us from the beginning? Yeah, just do it, just
say hey, guess what this is how we're doing it this season. They're
like, okay, like done that in the past. Why not. Yeah,
Like, it's not gonna be It's not going to cause any issues with
all the viewers. I'd rather know a little bit more about the game than
a little it less. Yeah, and you know, it makes the men
look dumb if you know, we keep every other week we give them a
numbers advantage. We hearn't talked about a men's alliance, and then like we
just never see them take advantage of it. Yeah, it makes it look
like they don't know what they're doing. But all right, we go back
to the house and we have a little a little bit of a change up
from the club night. This time we have a pride party because Big Tea
has come out, which is awesome. Yay, Yeah, I loved this.
You could tell, like, I'm very excited about this, very see
it on her face. I'm in a tear up. You could see it
on her face this entire time. How incredibly happy she was to be so
accepted by these people. It was awesome to see. I was disappointed that
wasn't there right. I've never been to a coming out party before. I
want to go. Oh, it would have been so much fun. I
am. I was so happy for her. Oh, it was great,
so unbelievably happy. I love it. Just Carlin's wiping her tears. It's
fine, h I like it. Just I want everybody to live their authentic
lives, and I'm very happy when people make the decision to do that.
Yeah, that was great. It was fantastic. She does mention at a
later point that she is worried she hasn't told her family yet and she's not
sure how they're didn't take it, So hopefully it turned out okay for But
I hope no matter what, everybody on the Challenge is happy for. I
think Challenge fans are happy for so she's got a bunch of support. We
have awesome and Emmanuel dressed up as dragons, really bad drag queens. Drag
queens, bad drag queens. But yes, Emanuel's wearing high heeled shoes.
Yeah, I'm impressed with him. Yeah, usually annoyed, but I actually
was enjoined him a bit during this coming out party. Yeah, yeah,
he was having a lot of fun. I appreciated both of them in this.
We also have a very cute scene between Corey and Hue. They have
obviously mended their friendship from uh the previous seasons where they kind of fractured a
little bit and got one called the other one out. So they had a
nice conversation while cutting watermelon and making it look awful on the plate. But
it was cute to see. Yeah, this whole scene, this is this
is the episode. I had a smile on my face this whole thing.
I'm just I'm so happy for I was a little I was a little bit
nervous with that conversation. They were saying this up for Corey to turn on
Huie again, you know, I was a little worried. Yeah, it
was nice to It was nice to see them hold strong though I was very
happy to see that. Yeah, I had a feel like when we heard
both the names conference like gonna be like neck and like divided vote and like
Corey is gonna like cast his vote on Hueie to like, you know,
send him in or something. Yeah. Well, before we get to that,
they start doing what is it honorifics or what are the superlatives the things
that they do in high school yearbooks, where like the most likely to succeed
this, that, and the other. They start going through and giving random
ones to people in the house, and one of the ones that gets given
out is the most likely to cheat on a partner back home, and Hughey
says Callum, and Callum is pissed, and then we cut to a confessional
with him talking about how he met his girlfriend, and then we cut to
a scene of him telling Michelle that he's falling for her. Just dude,
it's going to end badly for everybody. Did either of you guys win a
superlative in high school? No, we didn't do it in our star school
didn't do them. Yeah, I won most Memorable. Oh all right,
tool it was I didn't get what well, it just wasn't a thing for
our school when you guys go to high school. So when you guys go
to your next reunion, to'll have to tell them they got to do one.
Now. I don't go to reunions. I went to my tenure.
I probably won't go again until you know, twenty twenty five, I've skipped
all of them, which I guess my twenty years coming up in a few
years. Yeah, I did my ten and twenty and I know the twenty
which was a year ago. We were talking about possibly doing twenty five.
Yeah. Well, I mean mine is a nice excuse to have a very
nice vacation. So yes, because I went to school in Hawaii. Oh
nice, fuck you. I was gonna say mine is nice for a vacation
Toll Alaska, but that's very different than Hawaii. So yeah's forty five minutes
away. I mean, we can trade places. You can be me my
high school. I will so Hi, I'm Carl, I used to be
Carlin. I'll totally do it. Be fun. It could be a lot
of fun. Um, we have to go record that and put that up
for our patrons. I make jewelry and sell them on the side. I've
gained like four or five inches in height. Don't worry about it lost on
my hair. It's it's all good, it's fine. I thought you were
gonna say, four or five hundred pounds, which are not no, of
course, not no. Never, you're like four or five inches toller than
me. That's what I was going for. Okay, I'll take it back
to the challenge that we're all so very excited about. We get the James
and Mariah flirting and then potentially hooking up in the bed. Lots of cutaway
scenes. The other lady's talking about how Mariah is screwing around with Johnny Banas
for the last year, and then confessionals with her talking about Bananas. Who
knows? Who cares? I care? It hurt my heart? Oh did
it hurt your heart? When Johnny Banana's cheated on what's her name? Morgan
and Hannah and Hannah, Yeah, you're sure you cheated on Morgan too,
and like four other people probably led Nanny on for years and led Camilla on
for years, and there's a lot. I have no sympathy for that man
in any way, shape or for him. Let's see. Oh now,
onto deliberation. Sorry, there's a cat in front of my mouse hold on
move, but a right not helping me. James kicks it off immediately by
saying there have been two names that have been called out, and he mentions
Huey and Corey, and Huey immediately starts getting real defensive, like what yeah,
which I'm not surprised by. Kind of a loud personality, which is
one of the things I like about him, so I'm not shocked. Yeah,
it's just like, let's let's break this down, let's go over yeah.
Yeah, And I feel like he's always like that when to get sounded.
I was thinking about today because he was on Big Brother UK, which
I've watched that I've watched his season, and one of the big things there
is when they nominate people like Big Brother won't let you just say I want
to nominate this person because they're like a threat or like I don't like them,
Like you need to have a valid reason. So I think that's why
he whenever he gets on it is like I didn't even do anything because he's
used to where you can't be nominated unless there's a reason. Okay, this
is a very different game from that. You can be nominated for any reason
at all. Yes, someone else said your name first. That's all it
takes. Yeah, So then the the idea gets thrown out there that all
of the guys should go around because he doesn't like that he's been called out
and he thinks that that's bullshit. So it gets thrown out there that all
the guys should go around in a circle and say why they should be kept
here and what their biggest strength is to the house. Oh my god,
this is so cringe. I'm saying a bunch of nonsense. I loved all
the like the women's reactions to just like how narcissistic call experience was. Olivia
says that it's a narcissist circle. Michelle calls it a circle jerk. It
was just, oh god, it was bad. It was so bad because
they all they're all saying things along the lines of like I'm a leader and
I get shit done. And I think the only person who says anything that's
even worthwhile was Corey saying, you know, I try to lead with empathy,
and even that was like okay, see, And this is where I
missed Chauncey, because Chauncey would be like, hey, Olivia, ever done
you wrong? I let you be like yes, damn huie, have I
ever done you wrong? Yes? God damn it. Yeah. See,
this is this is where someone like Ed should immediately have sat there and been
like, uh, I've got really good mass kills. I swim really fast,
like we've already seen that. I'm good at puzzles. Like, what
else do you need? I basically made us one hundred thousand dollars in the
past two episodes. So calm the fuck down. Yeah, it was just
it was bad. It was so bad. I don't understand the point of
the deliberations. It makes no sense to me. It's just a bunch of
bullshit. I feel like they might be more necessary and then coming bit there
are parts of the show, but right now that it doesn't make any sense.
No hum, all right? Uh oh. They do get back into
the house and people start throwing away thrown around James's name. Oh yeah,
so trying to come up with plans. How do we get James out of
here? I thought James was about to become the new Chris. I feel
like he's got too many mm hmm. All right, so we are onto
the elimination. They start going down the line and the guys start burned voting
after bitching about the ladies doing it last episode. Yep, I didn't mind
that. I didn't mind the guys doing it until Corey did it, and
then I was like, you have no room to do this. None of
them have any room to do this. They all bitched about it last episode.
I feel like none the guys were necessarily in love with it. But
I feel like Corey is the one that really like put his poodentic at stands.
No, I agree with that, but it's still they They were all.
They all made comments on it. Corey just happened to be the most
vocal. Yeah, TJ wasn't happy once again, yep, I did appreciate
that Zara throws a Corey. It throws a vote on Corey and then immediately
says like, this is kind of payback for you throwing my name out there.
Let's squash this and be done with it. So hopefully that'll help their
potential alliance. But who knows. Yeah. Umm, Ultimately Hue gets voted
in. He picks Kylon. I was surprised it wasn't James, Like it
seems like that whole scene we saw now of like James's name potentially coming up
was pointless. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think it'd be James because him
and hue are friends, or at least they played it off. Huey was
a little seemed upset when James said his name was being thrown around, but
well, yeah, and like in an earlier episode, James said that Huey
was his like sanity, that he loved him and that he was a great
guy. Well, and I'm not saying that Huey would have picked. I'm
sam surprised they didn't vote James in like the women, Oh you're saying the
house vel. I honestly think that it was once the ball got rolling in
the Huey direction, the ladies just realized that even that because of the guys
burning their votes, they're not going to have the ability to actually get James
in. Yeah. Yeah, So the game itself is called How I Roll.
There are two rotating tracks set up in two circles that have nine baskets
around the edge of the circle, and this track has some bumps to it
and you have to roll the ball down the track and have the ball land
in the basket you have. You can only use one ball at a time,
and every container has to contain a ball. This was such a boring
elimination. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't mind it. I feel there
was some anything Shenanigan's again. Yeah, I guess because they make Hue kind
of fall behind and then he like sort of catches up. But if you
look at some of the ship that's going on in the background when Hughi's doing
his, it's like Kylon's about in the same spot. Yeah. So I'm
just like, I don't trust. I don't trust this sad thing. I
think I thought it was more of a boring elimination because it seemed like an
elimination that Hughey should have called out a bigger name than Kyland. But I
don't know. I think more of the bigger names are on the UK side
anyway, so maybe he wouldn't have. I I could believe that they edited
this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so because it's kind of back
and forth at the beginning, and then Kylon put pulls ahead and then he
would kind of catches up, and then Kylon wins and Melissa is very excited
and Kyland is very happy. Yeah, and then TJ yet again says chaos
is right around the corner. Yeah, when my when my clock counts down,
chaos is here and apparently it's happened in like fourteen hours, Like I
think that's what the clock was. Yeah, which do the challengers actually get
to see the clock or is that? Uh? Is it? No?
But if you if you watch the next week on they do finally see the
clock inside the house and they're like, oh, okay, yeah, Case
said they showed Jordan as the first coming. I didn't get that. They
did show that, yep. And and it also looked like there's a woman
behind him that looks a lot like Toy, like with the girl you just
saw the silhouette, but it definitely looked like toy silhouette. Interesting. Okay,
so maybe double elimination's coming up. That could be fun. We'll see.
Yeah, so another lock Laster episode. I feel like that's gonna be
our quote for every episode. Now. I kind of feel bad to anybody
who's listening because I feel like we are also relatively later in the show because
of this. Right, So I will say like, I was not a
fan of two and a half hours this week, but I did find myself
near the end of episode four being like, this is kind of interesting to
see like, you know, like if West was here, if Johnny was
her CP was here, Like this would be very predictable, and like the
fact that we don't have the vets is kind of making it a little bit
less predictable, which I appreciate. I just think their lineup is not very
interesting. Like I think Tim brought up before, if you bring in Corey
or you know, Leroy, Leroy comes back or something, just other people
that are bigger names who've been on a lot of episodes, who are not
champs, would have maybe added a little bit to this format. Yeah,
that would be better for Leroy, can't Corey. Yeah, we just will
not be coming back anytime soon. The baby number two. They keep pumping
out babies. But you know, well k brings up Jenna. Bring Jenna
back. She's not she's not allowed to because Zach throws a hissy fit every
time she comes on by herself. Well, they've got what I don't know.
I stopped paying attention. She's made horrible life choices. But yeah,
just some of those people who are bigger names who've never won, that would
be interesting instead of like a pretty much like a brand new cast. When
when Melissa is the most seasoned veteran of your season. It's Big Big T.
It's a good point. When Big T is the most seasoned veteran of
your of your season, then that's that's kind of sad. That's true.
It's like I could agree. I do think there would have been better cast
choice. Yeah, well, congrats everybody. We we did two episodes in
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show so boring? Why are these people so monotone? Right? Yeah,
so that's stuff I saw. So Kylin put out a tweet about Burna this
week, saying that not only did she annoy the people in the challenge,
but like when they would go out or like when they were filming, that
she was extremely rude to production, waite staff, pretty much everyone they came
in contact with. So he was calling her out. Yeah, And I
think the other thing that was interesting I saw was that the official challenge Instagram
page when people a couple of people are reported having their comments being removed when
they're going in there to voice their opinion. Basically, we just talked about,
you know, more MTV, like that's less CBS people, and the
challenge is removing those comments. All right, that's not good. I would
really love to see. I actually don't care that much the comparison in the
ratings of this season and the views of this season in comparison to other seasons.
I mean, I think, didn't they say from the first two weeks
episode there's like the too lowest rated ever. I don't know, I would
be surprised, though it's entirely possible. I believe I did hear that that,
like the first ships were the two lowest ever on MTV. Wow,
looking at our downloads right now, they gone down quite a bit this season.
Cases, I didn't say, yeah, but cases Olivia and Mariah have
been going on at it on Twitter, which yeah, which makes sense because
uh, Olivia definitely voiced her dislike for Mariah at the last Challenge Mane in
Chicago. Hmmm. I think we'll be seen more of that come out on
the show here soon. Mhm. Well good times, everybody. Yeah,
goodness, I'm sorry we seem so, but I mean, hey, that's
the season. Season sucks this season, but hopefully we have something fun to
look forward to at the end of this Yeah. Yeah, potentially for those
who don't know, potentially also ours four coming out after the after this season
is done. Yeah, that's what Mark longside Challenge Mania that his sources of
paramounts that is that this is like the appetizer to lead into All Stars four,
really long appetizer it is. Yeah, yeah, goddamn episode nineteen.
More episodes to go. I would really love for them to re edit them
to be, you know, hour long episodes. That'd be great. Yeah,
that'd be wonderful. All right, let's kill this thing before it dies
of boredom. Hey, everybody, thanks for stopping by for this episode of
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