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Radio. Starting now. What's up everybody, and welcome the episode two hundred
and fourteen of Let Me Get That Potograph as always. My name is Drew
or the d H and joining me my awesome co host, mister Scott.
I'm in a hell of a lot of pain wrapper for or what's up,
dude? What's going on Drew? Oh, not too much. Just getting
ready for Dallas this weekend. Anyone there you go. I was gonna ask
you if you had any shows coming up? Yes, actually up two We've
got Collected Coon season kicking off. So there we go. This weekend being
Dallas two weeks from now, will two weekends from now, I'll be in
Los Angeles. So third weekend in March, I want to come up to
Chicago and run a table. Uh yeah, I'd love to. I actually
think we may be doing that. I'll discuss with the right people, but
we might do that. We will. We'll talk about that after the show.
Because I got a I got a conflict that popped up. Normally I
do that show but doing that show for fifteen years, and uh, yeah,
we've got to empower and I can make it out there, and we
don't have something already in the books, then maybe I'll be in Chicago in
a couple of weeks. But yeah, got Dallas coming up this week,
just getting ready for all of that show season kicking off. But uh,
speaking of kicking off, man, let's kick off the show. And I'm
I'm sorry, but last night there was a lot of stuff we got to
talk about today. Last night took the cake. We're starting off with this.
I fucking love it. It's awesome. A J. Dlon and his
brand Dylan's Deals posted up on his Instagram his recent signing for Immaculate. In
my opinion, this just made Immaculate with no quarterback auto was outside of possibly
some fake AR thirteens, which we'll talk about later, not to be confused
with AR fifteen's, which is a whole other program. Yes, yeah,
very very very different program. Yes, but he posted on him on his
Instagram a signing of him at his house doing his signing for Immaculate, and
he included inscriptions on pretty much everything, yeah, everything, and included in
this which I want I want so badly, but I know it's going to
probably command insane money. There is a mini rainbow included that is a knock
knock joke which he literally puts knock knock on one who's there. He does
the entire joke. He said it's a five card rainbow. I mean,
this dude put up so many funny inscriptions and then my favorite on number sixty
nine had a ninety nine. He just told the boy nice, he's got
everything. I love it. Hashtag the hobby on some of it, like
I am. I am disappointed though that he did come out and say that
the knock knock joke is is totally a dad jip. Yes, like I
want something, I want something inappropriate. You know, it doesn't have to
be you know, the language doesn't have to be. It's like when I
worked in radio, we used to do this thing called the half hour dirty
joke, right where you know it was dirty, but the the lead up
and then the punchline which would be given thirty minutes later. M h itselves
don't sound dirty because it was cool for radio. So you know, he
could do something like that where it stands out. It's like a dirty joke
but it stands out on its own. You know, if I ever,
if I ever have the chance to do a signing like that myself, I'm
totally like in a piece out a limerick. Oh yes, you know,
you know, like put out the hole. There once was a man from
Nantucket thing on multiple cars. It's going forward. So well, I want
to talk about what you just said right there. If you ever had a
chance to do with signing, this is what I love. So obviously this
was a signing specifically for Immaculate. He showed you the boxes that they sent
them to him in and everything like that. He shows the whole process on
a video over on his Instagram page. But and I think it's on Twitter
as well. Dylan's Deals is what you'll find it under. Just just search
AJ Dillon. But you know, he took time out in this signing,
you know what I mean. He had fun with it as opposed to all
this stuff. You hear the athletes talking about, oh I'm signing a million
stickers. That sucks. The guys that have their friends signed for him,
Uh, some people might get tired and have their mom signed for him.
Whatever the conspiracy you want to pick is wife. Yeah, lots of stuff,
you know, like but instead he takes the time to have fun with
it. And I love seeing that. And honestly, when you've got a
product like this in MAC Autograph and RPA heavy and you're really you really have
one quarterback outside of maybe Aidan O'Connell, I mean, if you want to
collect him and see I think he has a Tannehill type ceiling. But you've
got one quarterback RPA and then a bunch of position players. AJ Dellon just
made this a lot more fun, get a lot more collectible to a lot
of people. And so I love this idea. And I don't know if
Panini asked him to. I don't know if Panini's saying, hey, we
need help selling some of these products. But here's the thing, immaculate,
it's the right product to do. AJ has always been known as a collector.
He's been in the hobby on our side of things, not just as
the player. He's a huge buyer. He does live shows on many on
Loop, on all those different I don't think Panini said anything. I think
this is straight up all him. This is this is on his own.
He made the decision to make it a much card I agree, No,
I I I agree on him. I was kind of joking when with the
Panini part, just because with these products, and we talked about this when
we spoke about not having the big quarterbacks to chase when you get to these
products that are RPA heavy, that's what this stuff leans on. When you
don't have the rpas that you need, you've got to have other stuff in
there for people to want to chase. And you can't just recreate the product,
you know what I mean, and leave all these people out. And
but now this kind of gives another little chase to immaculate outside of just focusing
on possibly forged rpas and things like that. You know what, I can't
wait to see with this one. What's up? I can't wait. Look,
there's a lot of people that rip boxes that don't follow the hobby on
social media, that don't follow you know, any of the podcasts that are
out there that may talk about this. There's gonna be some guy that rips
a box about and pulls pulls the AJ Dillon card where it just says knock
knock, and all of a sudden, we're gonna get a social media post
like what the he yes, you know, so you know, yeah,
you know it's coming, or they're gonna get the middle piece of the knock
knock joke right and nobody's gonna know, you know, like like the guys
are like, the hell's going on here? I just hope the punchlines pulled
last. It would be awesome if the five cards actually came out and were
pulled and showcased in a row like knock knock, and then who's there?
Keep the punchline for last Panini. I know you distribute in waves. Keep
the punchline for wave two. Well, in theory, they're not supposed to
know what's in each of those, I know, but I would. I
would. It would be cool to see those in order. It would be
uh, you know, one of those that I that would actually make things
really cool. Yes it would, but I'm not I'm not hopeful that that's
actually gonna happen. I think ones pop up, yeah, you know,
but I just think it would be cool. But I love I love this
right here. And you know, we talked a lot about inscriptions. We
talked about him when they started. We we predicted this is exactly where everything
was going. But this is another level. I want to I want to
see how many of these were actually inscribed. It looked like from his video
he did pretty much the ninety nine run. He did a lot of those
ninety nine, But what he didn't show you were the one of ones the
fives that I want to know. Did he take his entire immaculate run and
decide, Okay, I'm gonna go crazy on this immaculate run. Does this
number one have a friending by all Bob ross on us? Like, I've
got a feeling, you know, knowing that he, you know, is
in the hobby himself. I've got a feeling that the lower print run cards.
I have a feeling I agree because he knows that they're collectible on their
own, just you know, knowing that, hey, the shield is it's
the one of one. You know, I don't expect an inscription, but
no five but tens eh I got like, I I just think that he
did that with the run of ninety nine only because you know, look,
it's not a quarterback and and look I love AJ Dillon wasn't a rookie,
and he knows that his team, he knows where the part is. It's
exactly veteran auto Yeah, exactly so it's one of those things where I think
he just made it interesting with the run of ninety nine. I don't see
him, you know, doing that with anything numbered to let's say ten or
less. You know, maybe he tossed a couple in on a twenty five
or a fifty, but you know, possible. But you know, this
is something like this that is really words the ninety nine, like the you
know, the webbin Yama. His first card signed with the with that inscription
was on a green to ninety nine. Yes, it wasn't on Yeah,
it wasn't the super Factor, it wasn't an orange or anything like that.
It was it was the Green to ninety nine. Yeah, just like with
the Brady's as well. But yeah, and you know the key cards,
I'm pretty sure in those instructions, I'd almost guarantee you in that box of
immaculate, I know for a fact they get instructions on where to sign all
this stuff printed out. Yeah, they're probably instructed on the one on ones
to leave it as a signature, I would assume. But I'm excited to
see what those ninety nine are. And it's I just love when players do
this. I think it's awesome it's cool for AJ Dillon, and it's got
me excited to see Immaculate. And it's got me excited to up pull some
AJ Dillon cards which have done a deal with him before. But I never
thought i'd actually be uh, you know, whining to chase his cards.
Yeah, you know, and you mentioned, you know, they show the
play, they give a diagram, whiche, I'm where to sign and there's
still players out there that screwed up. Of course they do. Oh yeah,
like they're reading it. I didn't say they read it. Yeah,
you know there's still guys that will like sign over their helmets or something.
They're white. Friend's the guy reading it? Yeah? Yeah, Yllans injecting
some much needed fun into Immaculate as it's a it's gonna be. I'm really
interested to see how these big box RPA heavy releases play out right now.
I've been waiting for this time of year. We are there, but AJ
Dillon help helping add an extra chase into this year's Immaculate. But Scott,
let's move on now, man, because last week we talked about how Series
Won and Prism both came out. Also Prism and Not Believe everyone going crazy
for all of that, but Series one in particular, man did tops have
some fun and interesting surprises. Even got us trending on freaking Twitter for the
hobby for a little bit. Uh thanks shout out to collectibles Guru for the
help on that. But I do want to I want to clarify something really
quick here because I so what happened was, I saw the picture of the
car, I sent it. I sent you a text, I said,
what the hell is this? You're right, And the next thing you know,
you know, you're you're posting it on on Twitter, and I'm getting
credit for actually pulling the Well, that was my miss, That was my
miss, uh, miss misinterpretation of your text. Because for people that don't
know, Scott and I always send pictures of what we hit to each other
on a consistent basis through our group chat. So at eleven o'clock at night,
I did a picture of a hand holding a card. I think Scott
just pulled something silly out of Series one because I know he rips a ton
of it and so I, you know, made it here. But let's
move on and talk about what's actually going on. Yeah, So, but
I just want to clear right, was not me to hit the card.
No, it was not him, like what the hell's going? Yes,
it was more for laughs than absolutely, but I love Okay. So Tops
did a couple of things. So one was putting the full size Kevin Hart
image on a on a card. I love it. I love it,
And I will say that is a full sign is Kevin Hart. It's not
a size, it's actually two skies. It's too scale. Yeah yeah,
and like, yeah, Dwayne Johnson will appreciate that one because that's not Kevin
because of his height. Yes, but it is too scale. Kevin is
actually that size compared to the players on the herds for the Phillies. He's
a huge Phillies fan. Yea, And Tops decided, you know, hey,
we'll throw a little fun out there, and yeah, Kevin on every
every Phillies card feature, well not every Phillies card, but everyone has a
super short print that has a life size Kevin Hart image embedded somewhere in the
photo, so on the team photo and any player that actually not necessarily in
the Phillies jersey, but anywhere on the Phillies team. Yeah. And it's
numbered to fifty two, which is what I love because it's Kevin run print
run to fifty two. They're not actually numbered. Yes, Trent run to
fifty two. Yes, print run to fifty two. So yeah, everybody's
looking at the back like, oh, they screwed it up. They were
supposed to be number on the Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna send it to
Tops and have to No, it's supposed to print run. It's kind of
like how they do the Mini no numbers for Allen and Ginter or the Black
Borders or Heritage. It is a print run, not serial number. But
a great, a great and funny uh little little twist that they added in.
But that's not all they added in. One thing that I've given Tops,
Panini, any company, We've given a lot of shit on this show,
yep. And we will critique you when we think something is wrong with
Series one, Like I think the initial design is hideous, I love the
parallels, don't like the design. But Tops did something with Series one that
I think is one of the most brilliant things that has been done with the
release in a long time. And I don't know why it has not been
thought of sooner, but they have taken every single base card has one card
that has first print above the team logo on Wait, hold on? Is
it every hold on? Is it every card or is it just the rookie
Believe it's every card, okay, because all the examples that I've seen have
all been rookies. Okay, may just be the rookies. I thought it
was every single card. It may be the rookies, but either way,
it has first print above the logo. And what it is is it's the
first card that comes off of the production line, so literally the first card
made. Yeah, so what it does if you're if you're watching on YouTube,
I've got a series one up here, so right above like where this
Rockies logo would be, it says first card. Yeah, and obviously this
is not one of them. Is the blue parallel? Uh? Yeah?
So there's that. I love it. I think it is really it's Yeah,
it's absolutely amazing. It reminds me a lot of the old Stadium Club
first date issue cards, yes, except these were they only made one of
these, as opposed to you know, they made multiple of the first This
is something that I am really behind with what they're doing. And I'm curious
because there's also the platinum one of one that's out there as well. Knowing
that there's only one of these cards, right, how is that one?
Those? Exactly that? And it's tough because I pose this question in a
in a conversation on Facebook. They tops actually announced with this that there's an
over nine hundred thousand of every single base card. Yeah, it's like ninety
thousand or something ridiculous like that. Yeah, so around at that point hundred
thousand. Yeah, and there's one with the first day issue. Now granted
you say, yeah, but there's only one one O one, right,
But that's just a changing of color and making a parallel as opposed to literally
one out of all of the base cards. I personally think that it could
surpass the one of one. Obviously, the one on one has you know
a little more flair to it and everything. So we'll have to see,
you know, how people go with that. But to me, if I'm
if I have a choice of a one on one parallel or that first print,
I want the first print all day long. Yeah, no, I
would agree with you on that. Now Here. Now Here's what I want
to know too, because these are not parallels. It's just the first sheet
off of the printer for you know, uh, for that card is that
card going to be in the pack where a you know, a hit spot
or a parallel or is this part of the standard coalition. That's what I
was curious about. And I have yet to see one of these pulled,
so I was actually just looking right, I have been for about five minutes.
I've yet to see I cannot see any of them pulled yet now,
and that leads me to believe that it could pop. I think they're gonna
end up putting it in where the act like a card, because they did
those like filth Bomb and them did that like thousand case break or whatever the
crap. It was in conjunction with TOPS. I would think TOPS would have
told them ahead of time, like don't just discard the base like you do
with most of these case breaks, Like you would think they would tell them
because so many bass cards are just thrown to the side. But maybe they
didn't. And maybe this literally is it came off the line, It was
thrown right into coalation and it could be in the in the regular stuff.
I will tell you right now, everything I've opened, every pack I've opened,
I've kept, I've looked at every single card so far. But here's
the other question. I have too. So they add they do the printing,
you know, first sheet for each card, whatever the kid do.
They then at that point swap the printing right because they would have to have
a different printing place. And now all of a sudden, maybe there's eight
printing plates instead of four going to do a printing plate for They're not going
to at least release the printing plates for the first print. There's no way.
There's no way they do. I mean, that would be like saying
they would do it for uh, for like a super or for anything like
that. Well, but remember the Super is not a special plate. The
Super is a it's a coating. Yeah, well this wouldn't be a super
anyway, but no, and this wouldn't be This wouldn't be a super.
And it's the same thing with the same thing with the parallels. It's an
it's just changing the ink so the plates can remain the same. I mean,
I I guess so, but I doubt I doubt it because I think
A we probably would have seen one uh if there were plates as well,
because then you're adding FILET of one, so I think we would You think
we would have already seen one of the first one of the cards pop out
too with you know, no one, no one, that's the thing.
Though no one knew what to look for until a week into this, So
there's a lot of people that probably have a lot they need to go through,
and there's a lot that could have been thrown out, which leads me
to believe that it probably was put in with normal coalition as opposed to in
a in a specific hit spot because somebody all the hits upside down. Once
I finally get an answer to well, you know, it depends because like
in a blaster, if you get the holiday blasters, the holiday parallel is
the first card, and then you've got the hits in the middle still and
the first put it's upside down, right, But what I'm saying is they're
they've changed up where they're putting everything so much it's quite possible that it's right
in that hit spot area. But it looks like a base card. So
what if you didn't know about it for a week, You're just gonna flip
right through base? All right, here's my rookies, you know, flip
break through bam, here's my base. There's a when you when you don't
know to look for it, there's a very good chance a lot of these
could be out there and they have no idea just in some of this stuff.
But you know that we also do. Fine, I'm definitely going to
ask where it was in the pack. Yeah, I think it would be
awesome if it was in the regular part of the cards, because the one
thing I hate is how they've made packs to wear every hits in the same
spot, Like I want to open packs and not know where something is.
Like, let me let me scroll through cards for once and just randomly hit
an awesome card next to a couple of bass. I don't need them all
in the middle together or all at the back. All right, Well,
here's the thing. This is the other good thing, and this is nobody
has talked about this. Okay, we are the first people to be discussing
this. You didn't even know I was going to bring this up, because
frankly, I didn't even remember it until just now. With the exception of
the cards that are upside down, the hits, Yeah, the couple of
blasters that I've ripped, a couple of hangers, boxes and stuff like that
that I've ripped, I did not have to flip cards. There are no
cards that are like summer upside down, some are right side up. When
you're going through them, they're all facing the same direction. Ah. I've
been begging Hops to do this for years because there's nothing I hate more than
going through a pack of cards and be like, okay, well I got
this card here and oh wait, crap, I know I got to turn
a pile upside down. You know, the cards upside down, they're all
facing the same direction. Humhm yeah, so good job, good job,
yeah job. Yeah, somebody finally listened and all of the cards are now
facing the same dur So uh, you know, kudos to Tops for finally
hearing me out on Alan. Alright, so Scott, we back. H
We've actually got some breaking news here right now. Oh, I've got a
tech I just got a message right here from someone that's watching the show,
and there is some stuff from Immaculate, a very very interesting thing that's going
on right here. We're gonna acting to be talk person who found all of
this later today where I'm just getting this right now. But those boxes of
a man that Aj Dillon showed in his video, Aidan o'conn Aidan O'Connell,
who I mentioned earlier his boxes were found apparently at a salvation or no where
was it. It was in a trash bin near someone's work. They found
a cardboard box with inside has every single Aidan O'Connell immaculate card unsigned. So
I don't know if his housing was near there for some time in Las Vegas
or what. But just found and this has not been posted anywhere. This
is breaking news. I just got this text. I'm looking at every single
Aidan O'Connell card, the sheet where they give him, the stickers, the
instructions that we were just talking about. Everything was found in a dumpster inside
of what was probably the box they sent it to him in. But was
I found in a dumpster by work in Vegas. Six to one. All
of the one ones, everything, all of the aid and Connell arepas so
so much for their so much, for their being more than one. Seriously,
seriously, I'm gonna be speaking with this person a little later today and
I'm going to try and help him get these back to Pannini and also hopefully
we can have him on the show maybe next week or maybe do a special
episode or something. But I just got this in the news right here.
We'll post everything coming up later today after I speak to him. But this
is absolutely insane. Yeah, I will post the pictures later. But every
aidan O'Connell immaculate card. This is an entire box full of about fifteen to
twenty different card boxes that all have the particular card on them, and every
card is unsigned, including the one oh ones. What the hell that is?
I just got this one? This is why we record live right here.
Yeah, because that the random things that happened. Wow, what is
hell that is? I don't even know what to say about that. I
mean, there's multiple possibilities as to how that could have occurred. However,
it sounds like the box wasn't even open. No, this, yes,
this is like. The cards are in perfect shape, they're they're in order.
He has pictures of them. Take opening the box, you can see
all the cards they were not messed with. And the big picture that shows
everything and shows all the boxes is inside of another just regular brown cardboard box
which I get boxes every month from Panini. It looks like a Panini box.
I can even almost see the black tape with the Panini logo that they
have across it, so it looks like the entire Panini box thrown in the
trash. Now, this was found in Vegas near someone's work. Obviously he
could have had a rented home there or something like that, a lot and
left and they just threw it away on accident. A lot of stuff that
these players aren't keeping up with these cards unless you're a J. Dylon.
But this is massive. We we were just talking about how you had AR
thirteen and then maybe Aidan O'Connell and that's it on quarterbacks. And now I'm
gonna see if I can get him to send these to Panini immediately. Maybe
they can still get him packouts, maybe they can throw a redemption in.
But this is that's huge. That unless there's a way to get him directly
to AJ Dillon or not yeah, or sorry Aid O'Connell. So you know,
unless there's a way to get him directly to O'Connell, if he's still
in you know, maybe he's been looking for him for months and is just
you know, racking his brain as to where they disappeared to. Yeah.
So yeah, I say when you when you post it later, make sure
you tag him too. Oh no, absolutely, but yeah, the good
news is good news is we have plenty of context A Panini. Uh you
know that we can help get these cards back to them. So and I'm
willing to bet they'll eleven, they'll leaven send a shipping label. Uh so
the guy yeah gotta found him, well, won't even have it in there.
Who knows. In addition to the shipping label, there may be something
else in MOREM two, which if I were Panini, I would absolutely be
hooking him up with something. And by something, I don't mean a second
place T shirt for the Kid Reporter program. Yeah, because if you have,
if you haven't seen that going around lately, that is absolutely hilarious.
Yes, so wow, massive breaking news that that's mine. That that's just
crazy to me, Holy crap. Yep. Absolutely, And on that note,
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So now that we are back, what is it another week? What
I mean, like, what kind of week is it when there's not some
sort of scandal? And this may not be an actual scandal, right,
However, there was somebody that submitted a prism Anthony Robinson Auto and or Anthony
Richardson Richardson Sorry, I'm not not a football guy. I know Anthony Richardson
Auto t p s A for grading, not for autograph authentication, for grading.
This is a pack pulled sticker AUTO and the card came back, do
not hold her and we're questioning the authenticity of the autograph. Yep, that
was it. Now. Then then it came out that and this is the
funniest part to me, that that it says Panini is being investigated. I
was just I was just about not being fucking investigated. Panini is the one
conducting the investigation. People, Jesus Christ. So like somewhere you spit.
P s A had had to release a statement for that says we are not
investigating, and let's be honest, p s A doesn't do investigation. I
was about to say, how that, what's p s A gonna do walk
into Panini's offices and say, what, we're conducting an investigation? Fuck you?
Yeah, that's not how it works. Like I'm sitting there laughing.
I didn't. I didn't make it the threat either, meaning like, oh
god, I'm like, let the let the stupid people just keep being stupid.
Just so. His autograph was slightly different than the ones that I had
seen after I no, it's, however, slightly different. Well, but
however, there were some people that threw out some IP autograph bottles that well,
that's what I was about to say. It looked pretty close. It
looks very different a because let's be honest, he's the only quarterback with the
autographs really that we've seen this year, major quarterbacks, and we don't have
that many. And his first run, which was all these products up until
now where they got at the Rookie Premiere, he signed a certain way.
Obviously he got other stickers he because he's signed since then, he signed a
different way. Because the prisms look a lot different than his x r's chronicles
things like that, and if you look at the in person signatures, it
does have a lot of very very similar attributes to his ips. Me personally,
I do not think this is fake. I don't think I don't end
up being fake because a I've not seen another one, and normally a lot
of these would have surface by now. I've not seen another one. That
doesn't make me say yeah, that's his auto right away, like I don't.
I don't see it. I haven't seen one on another product, and
there's a lot of indicators. I do know what they look at. I
work with very closely to PSA and their authentication department. I know what they're
looking for in certain things. Not a forensic you know guy by any means,
but I know the general things to look for and what they're looking for,
and a lot of them hit. So I personally don't think that this
is a controversy at all. I think that this is PSA. I was
about to say, just saying, hold up, we haven't seen this come
through yet on a sticker, so until we know for sure, we're not
greeting it. And what for you guys listening, what the hell would you
rather have you complain all the time about them making mistakes? So do you
want them to hold off if they're on Share or do you want them to
grade it anyway and then end up possibly grating a fake. It's no situation
for them, So you err on the side of caution, right, I
think that's what's going on here. Now here's what I Here's where I think.
And I don't fault PSA or not. It's questionable. They didn't come
out and say it's fake. It's questionable, doesn't look. What I would
have done, though, is I would if I had questions it was questionable,
knowing that it is on a Panini sticker and knowing that it is a
pack pulled card. What I would have done was I would have reached out
to Panini, sent them some pictures and said, hey, do you have
any more information on this because this doesn't look like the other Anthony Richardson's signatures
that we have seen. They have a department for that, research and identification
department. It's literally what their job is, right. So now instead of
just saying, oh, it's questionable, slapping that do not hold her label
on it, and sending it back, let's give it a couple of days
and let's see if we can reach out to Bene figure out, you know,
hey, what's going on here, because you know, let's be honest,
they're you know, they're not locked into a specific timetable these cards back
like right, it's you know, sometimes it takes a couple of weeks to
get back. Sometimes it takes a couple of months. I'm not gonna get
into that. Yeah, now that has gone through auto off and the authentication
and the DNA department. Because see, when you send something off the grade
the autograph for PSA, it not only goes through the grading department, it
goes through PSA. DNA. DNA is a separate part from grading. Since
this one wasn't was just a grade, it did not technically even go through
DNA whatsoever. Had it gone through DNA, not only would it have taken
longer, they also would have researched it a lot more. I think if
they had done auto grade, what you're saying would have had happened. But
since they just went through grading, they bypassed that completely. Now, if
i'm PSA, if a card like that is bypassed, and you know what,
putting that out there and sending that back to the customer. You know
it's going to hit the internet. You know it's going to come out as
a third fake auto. Maybe that's where I say, hold up, let's
take it to DNA, let's call Panini, let's hit people. I think
because they didn't grade the autograph, it missed those people that would have actually
done that job. Well, but here's my question. If they're not it's
on a Panini sticker, yeah, and it's on the correct card. So
my question is why did they And they're not grading the autograph, they're only
grading the car, why did they even look at that? I have no
idea. I'm no clue. I'm no clue. That's something that you know.
I actually in Dallas this weekend. I'll be with PSA. I'll actually
ask them that this weekend and we'll actually put an update up on social media
as to why, because that's a good question, because honestly, when it
when you do that, they're not looking at that autograph. Yeah, now
I understand if it's not a Pannini sticker that's on that card, yes,
yeah, yes, yes, you absolutely have to look at that. However,
if it's on the correct sticker, yeah, and it's on the correct
card right. No, even looking at I agree, I know, I
agree they shouldn't have and that's why I was shocked when I saw. I've
seen a lot of return labels from PSA and there's about five thousand different things
that they'll put on that label as the why to do not hold, And
it's so confusing. I have never just seen autograph on a card that didn't
go through DNA, and so I don't know, if I know, they
very well could have taken it to DNA to check out. DNA said hey,
we can't verify it. But PSA hasn't come out to say that yet,
and so we don't know, you know, what they did, the
process they did if it the DNA side. But a very interesting case here.
I personally think, like we said at the beginning, I think it's
gonna be end up being real. I think that this is gonna be end
up being real. Customer will probably get free grading, probably free express in
the end when it comes out that it's real, and we'll be good to
go. Yeah, honestly, I don't. I don't see this as a
massive big deal. No, I don't either. Now if now in three
weeks, if fifty more autos come out and there's nineteen different variations of his
autograph and there's you know, that's a different story. But from what I
see right now today, I think this was just a simple hold up,
we're not the DNA department. This looks weird, even though we shouldn't be
looking at it, So we're just not going to grade it. No,
I would agree with that, But I think the big uproar over this that
they failed it. It was you know the fact that somebody came out and
yeah, you know, it was like, oh, you know, Panini's
been investigating. No, guys, got it. No. First of all,
the company would investigate themselves, yeah, or they would hire an outside
firm. None of that was announced. But Panini is obviously gonna look into
something like this, So yeah they're looking into it. Yeah, but no,
no one they're doing government freaking intervention anything like that that who would be
making an inquiry and all this, But all this crap with Panini, it
just cracked me up. I bit my tongue like you did, because I've
learned. But Jesus Christ, But yeah, so some ar thirteen autos,
we'll see what's going on with all those, hopefully we get a little more
clarification. But I mean, if you asked me today, a whole lot
of a whole lot of commotion over absolutely nothing. Yeah, I would agree,
speaking of commotion, yes, all right, So this may not be
the most popular topic, uh huh. However, racing it is. We
got the data to five hundred that ran yesterday due to the Reindo lay on
ze. Have the Onmula one season that's coming up. Yeah, it's going
to be starting shortly, and some major changes obviously that have been announced already
in Formula One with this being Lewis Hamilton's final season with Mercedes and he's moving
to Ferrari in twenty twenty five. But then and then a couple of other
couple of other things have have hit and I'm curious from a hobby stand,
how Lewis Hamilton's with Ferrari going to you know change is obviously Ferrari's a legendary
team. Only the one and his first cards that come out with Ferrari,
you know, is there going to be a bigger demand? Well, and
the first cards that came out you know twenty twenty Well, we kind of
have a test subject that just came up this year, and that's with the
Oscar past three autos. Well, this is a slightly difference. Okay,
Well, to give everyone a background, what we're talking about. Past three
in twenty twenty one had his F two card, so he had autographs he
had to run in F two. Right, this year he's moved over to
McLaren a massive legendary team in racing, and has his rookie card, so
he's now got his rookie So basically that was like his prospect card in twenty
twenty one. Well, on January tewod a PSA ten orange auto from twenty
twenty one sold for nineteen fifty and on February eighteenth, from the new tops
Chrome F one, his rookie orange ungraded just sold for four thousand dollars over
double. Yeah, that's what the power of a team, and that's what
I think the power of the rookie card logo in F one's case is gonna
do with these cards. But the team is what I think because well,
but here's the but here's the thing. I think the team he was with
Prima Race twenty twenty one and F two. I want to say that that's
a feeder program McLaren. It is. They knew he was gonna be McLaren.
But so he's still yeah, so he's still he was He was a
McLaren driver back then. He just but it wasn't a McLaren gear, didn't
say McLaren on it. And if you go with I'm I'm assuming the collectors
that are going after this are also going to be a lot of people that
are like NASCAR, And if it's anything like NASCAR, the rookie card logo
matters much less than who they're driving for and what they're in, like what
car, what they're in, what is on the car, the sponsors on
the car, who they're driving for. That's what seems to matter a lot
more than the rookie card logo. Now in this case with F one,
I think it's showing you, at least with the Piastre, that the rookie
card logo means a lot more than F two because people wanted to know how
those F twos were gonna hold up. And he's really the first person to
have a rookie since twenty twenty one who was an F two guy that's got
a chance to actually do something in race now are the first test subject.
Now, normally, you know, I would say that the the F two
cards higher because those are treated in the same way that like a first bowman
the debut year two No, second year, second year. Now, I've
always, i've always, you know, been under the under the impression that
the hobby was going to treat those like first bowman me too cards where they're
going to be valued higher than the rookie cards. But you've got to take
in consideration that the majority of the Formula one cutters are not in the United
States and do not follow baseball right in any way, shape or form.
In fact, they probably don't even know how baseball is played a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they know, you know, if you ask
them another sport, they'll know how soccer is played, they'll know how you
know, how rugby is probably played. But you know, for the most
part, the Formula one collectors are not in the US. They're not stateside
base for the majority, No, and they not you know, they haven't
been around point where they they understood like they know that okay, first bowman
versus rookie and all that and stuff. So I think I don't think that's
even an even comparison. But I'm I don't know. I still think that
a two year old, you know, a card that came out two years
prior to mm hmm, especially as a p S A ten. Both both
Orange, both number to twenty five. Yeah, that's Apple. Apple should
both licensed in the same set, different in college and pro things like that.
Even though they have different names on them, it's the same set.
Yeah, there shouldn't be a double double ungraded too one graded a piece.
Now there is there is the new the new product, you know, right,
new product type. Yeah, twenty twenty three formulae just came out.
It's possible that this is the you know, whoever bought there were two guys
that are chasing a rainbow or something like that and they're you know, they
just bit it up really high, very but but it's still it boggles the
mind, and like, you know, they're both sticker autos, Like I
understand, how Okay, maybe one was on card. Okay, that's fine,
that's not the case here. No, No, this also could have
been the first Orange that hit the market, and that's quite possible. The
other five but yeah, yeah, it was definitely the first sail and looks
like what is the only Yeah, and with the twenty twenty ones, a
multitude of the Orange has been on the market for several years. I mean,
there's a lot of factors that you can throw into this, but I
still, I still can't see any justification outside of just two guys bidding it
up because they're both chasing a rainbow. I can't see any justification why it
was a raw twenty twenty three even though it's got the Rookie logo on it
would sell for double what A PSA ten of his first ever autographed card in
the same print run would still okay, right, No, I completely agree
with you. I'm I'm taking a look at a couple of other sales right
here. Yeah, the Orange. Another Orange did just sell, it looks
like for around the same price. One of his futuro Rookie cards from f
one, one of the inserts out of fifty just sold for two grand.
All these with the Rookie card logo. So right now people are highly coveting
that Rookie card logo. I want to see what this other sale is real
quick from four thousand check out card Ladder. See if we got two of
them, but one of them, at least we know was at four thousand,
and that one's verified. I don't know if this one is. But
this is kind of giving you an idea. Yeah, okay, so both
were at four grand, So this gives you an idea. I mean it
looks like that. So people are going after so we'll see what happens with
it. But it's a building, you know, it's only four years old,
and so we don't know how these cards are gonna look, how this
stuff is gonna react. I mean, I do think it comes down to
the rookie card logo, and I think also it comes down a lot having
it say McLaren. I know he was on their feeder system, but that's
like saying it had Hickory crawdads any place for the Rangers. Completely different,
you know what I mean? Like having it say McLaren is a big different
and so that dude, it's big in the F one world. Yeah that's
true. I can't see it, see it. Oh, I can't see
it being double at all. I'm trying to figure out as we finally navigate
this hobby, what is going to be chased after, what's gonna be popular,
and why it's so much more popular. But we'll just have to see
what happens up as this product, the newness wears off, sap fire comes
out, things come out like that. Then let's see some sales and then
you know, then maybe we'll see what Yeah. No, absolutely, But
on that note, man, I think it's probably a good time to wrap
up today's show, at least the audio version. What do you say?
I would agree? Enjoyed trip to Dallas over the weekend. You got that
coming up? I know it's always a Dalla show is always a solid,
solid oh yeah, a lot of fun. Yeah, and love going to
Dallas. Can't wait, cannot wait. But thank you guys so much for
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