1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,799 Hollywood. It's time no for redmn O'Brien, Johnny Dollan, Lieutenant Shirk, 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,640 you leave a message for me to call. Yes, I did, Lieutenant. 3 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:12,119 I want you. Oh followed up at the time I got it, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,439 Snider, got your name and what hotel. But I never didn't find out 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 who you are and what you wanted with me. It was about the Alonso 6 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:24,239 Chapman killing. Oh whoa? What's your interested in that? An insurance investigated. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,480 I was sent out here from haunted, Connecticut to see what I could 8 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:31,000 learn. Oh you were? Whoa? You get out of Here's some fast. 9 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:33,119 We got the news at about eight last night. I was on a 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,240 plane by midnight and in Los Angeles by noon today. Must be tired. 11 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:41,719 I don't have any more than I had last night. I suppose you want 12 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:44,320 to talk to me though, Yeah, I liked him, all right, 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,439 come on over, but give me an hour so I can get some munch 14 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:56,640 edmin O'Brien. In a transcribed adventure of the Man Well the Action Pact expense 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:11,719 account America's Fabulous Free Leans Insurance investigator. It was truly Johnny Dollar expense account 16 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,400 submitted by special investigator Johnny Dolla to a home office Tri State Insurance Group, 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Hartford, Connecticut. The following is an accounting of expenditures during my investigation of 18 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:25,400 the Alonso Chapman matter expense account, I had him one two hundred and eight 19 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:29,400 dollars and fifty cents a half hand incidentals between Hartford, Connecticut and Los Angeles, 20 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,319 California. After a delay of about an hour or so, I was 21 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:34,879 able to make an appointment with the Lieutenant Jim Shock to detective in charge of 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,840 the case. I met him at about two fifteen and he brought me up 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,439 to date. Chapman was registered at the Quincy Hotel. He met this this 24 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:48,439 girl in the hotel bar at about seven last night. They left together. 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,359 About you got a quarter of right turned in the alley to get to the 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,120 parking lot where a car was parked, and that's where he was shot in 27 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,680 the alley. Was it robbery? It was well, healed to over three 28 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,439 hundred dollars had in his coat pocket. Not about this girl. We didn't 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 hear about her. We did normal sale. Picked up on a shop lifting 30 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:13,240 charge last year and uh she got a job and stayed out of trouble since 31 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,360 pretty little thing born Nebraska. She says she met an actor in a road 32 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,759 company back there. He told her he'd introduce her to some important people in 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,199 Hollywood and maybe she could. You know how it goes now, But I 34 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,759 wonder if Chapman's wife is going to she's on her way out here. How 35 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,240 long had this girl known and she says she just met him last night. 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,919 I think that's what she said. She was transferred to county jail this morning, 37 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,879 eleven thirty and material witness. I suppose you want to talk to her? 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:50,360 Yeah, I could, And so I'm as well going over because it's 39 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,319 growing too fast. That's why we got too many people. We got too 40 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,039 many, we got too many cars, too much of everything, but streets 41 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,800 the mess? Was that anything about Harkward. I've never been there. When 42 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,800 there's a little slower paced on Los Angeles, but it's kind of its problems. 43 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:08,039 Ah, I supported every place there's something, Lieutenant. Oh, we 44 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,759 just called Cassidy when you want to send it backelor seven, Yeah, alright, 45 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,080 I'll do that. Thanks. Oh, come along in. No, 46 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:21,759 I'm know this man is Mr Dollar. He's an insurance investigator from back east. 47 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:23,840 How do you deal with him? Wow? You can just sit down. 48 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:29,719 How are you healing today? Not very good. I tried to talk 49 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:32,560 to you last night after Mr Chapman was shot. Didn't you remember? I 50 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,879 sort of half remember. I went to pieces I kid, Yeah you did. 51 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Couldn't get anything that even sounded like a statement from you. It's why 52 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,280 I had your hell so we could talk it over today. Sure, I 53 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,719 don't know anything. We left him then it happened. How long had you 54 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,879 known mister Chapman. I just met him last night. He made regular visits 55 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:53,840 to Los Angeles. Are you sure you didn't meet him before the first time? 56 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,319 I'm sure? Roy? Would I lie about that? We just struck 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,639 up a friendship last night? Uh? How did that happened? Well? 58 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,159 I dropped into the bar to Quincy for a drink and he started to talk 59 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:08,360 to me. What all did he say? It just one of those things 60 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,879 that happens all the time. I knew it was a pitch, but he 61 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:14,719 seemed like a nice guy. He just didn't want to be alone. He 62 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:16,079 asked me if I knew any good places to eat, and I told him 63 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,439 about a place I like it towards Hollywood. So he asked me if i'd 64 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,639 chow him. Uh, you ought to be more careful who you get friendly 65 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,000 with. Remembe I'd better turn that around and say you ought to be more 66 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,560 careful about who knows you're getting friendly with somebody. I guess I don't get 67 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,920 you. We'll looking for a reason somebody would want to kill Chapman and maybe 68 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,639 a man friend of the others. Couldn't be anything like that. I don't 69 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:42,399 have any steady boyfriends. Oh that's not saying there isn't somebody who wants to 70 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,800 be one, is it. There isn't anybody, that's the truth. But 71 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:47,279 it had been somebody I knew, it would have recognized him, wouldn't I. 72 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,759 And it's possible that you might want to protect him if you didn't know 73 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,800 him. I didn't know him. There isn't anybody who'd do anything like that. 74 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,120 I can't hold with that. Norman. You're young, you're pretty Why 75 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,759 I should think there'd be a bunch of young bucks after you boys from that 76 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:02,240 store where you're working with. We'll tell you there isn't. It's the truth. 77 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,800 There isn't. There was. I'd tell you, well, remember you 78 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,000 would. We've got to find a reason the Chapman was killed. I don't 79 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,879 know it wasn't because he was with me. Now, Norman, don't get 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,079 all upset again. You've got to remember some other thing. I hope you 81 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:16,800 aren't holding anything back, Norman. You know that we can learn the truth 82 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,160 from other people. Sure, I do, ask the girls I work with, 83 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,639 asked Jeanie Stevens. She ought to know. She's lived with me for 84 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,879 almost a year. Ah, Norman. Now, when you and this chaplain 85 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,720 decided don a place to go for dinner, you left the hotel, you 86 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:31,279 started for your car in the parking lot. H He turned into the alley, 87 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,920 which was a shorter trip and going around the corner, and this this 88 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,240 gun man was waiting there. It wasn't dark, No, not quite how 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,399 far down the alley it was. This man Wow, not very good at 90 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,639 measuring, but must have been about halfway to the parking There's a big trash 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,439 boxer behind one of the building. This man was waiting behind the box and 92 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:57,480 when you came by, he stepped out, fired three shots, run away, 93 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,480 and it was light enough so that you could get a good look at 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,439 him. Yes, it was darker in the alley, but I'd have recognized 95 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:06,600 anybody I knew. Would you remember if you saw him again. I'm not 96 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,920 sure. Maybe I would an honor. That's up to us to figure out 97 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,040 how come this killer was waiting there where he was? It beats me, 98 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,399 Oh he knew chapmanin was going to pass by that box. I don't know. 99 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,720 You can see how odd it looks on her. If he didn't know 100 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:23,759 Chapman was coming that way, he must have known that you would. I 101 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,399 don't know how it happened. I'm telling the truths. Maybe somebody heard us 102 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:30,399 talking in the bar hard enough to know you and Chapman would go through the 103 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,079 alley. Maybe somebody could have I don't remember exactly how it went, but 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,759 I told him where my car was parked, Yes, I said, I 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,360 said, just down the alley, I remember. And then did you leave? 106 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,199 Oh? Not right away? We had another drink. It takes ten 107 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,279 or fifteen minutes, I suppose. Oh how about a dollar? I don't 108 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,240 think I have anything more. Thanks, No, it's all right, I'll 109 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,279 get cashing to take you down. I'd like to send you home, Norma, 110 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:06,800 maybe tomorrow. You know how it goes to those Lieutenant Shock and me. 111 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,240 The jealousy motive was still first choice. As a matter of fact at 112 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,759 that point, it was the only choice. Nothing in Alonzo Chapman's room or 113 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,360 among his effects gave a hint of a murder motive. The Cleveland police had 114 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,519 been requested to send anything they had on him, and localmen were work checking 115 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:26,000 as Los Angeles business associates and his movements. Chock left the question normals sales 116 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:29,040 roommate, and I went back to satisfy myself. On the beginning of it 117 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:32,879 all, I waited for the evening bartender at the Quincy Hotel. Now I'm 118 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,920 not busy. We won't get crowded for another hour. Well our last night 119 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,120 you crowded about seven seven thirty. Oh yeah, yes, swamp. If 120 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,240 you'd ask me about anybody else in the place, I couldn't tell you a 121 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,120 thing. But I remember this little blonde dame and a sky Chapman. I'm 122 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,279 go out of here. That usually doesn't happen this way. Yeah, I 123 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,360 suppose not, but I'll tell you how it was. You see, a 124 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:50,639 Chapman had been a hotel for a few days, you know. Yeah, 125 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:54,120 I got in Friday last week. Well, I'm not sure when I first 126 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,120 met him, but he dropped in for an early drink, like you know, 127 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,040 quarter of five five o'clock. Then we talk a little bit. Then 128 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 ain't go up to his room and come back around seven and stay for another 129 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,160 hour or so. And I tell you it was fine to half of What 130 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,199 do you mean? Oh? And I was getting killed, not that pilot, 131 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:07,920 I mean a little blind. I didn't snow, but he was sank 132 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,199 or anything but that when she came in and the barstools were all taken, 133 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Chapman spotsor and kids at his place. How long had he been there? 134 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,519 It's just a couple of minutes. I hadn't gotten around of taking his order 135 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,839 yet, but when I did, he ordered for the both of them. 136 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,920 Then after that round they moved to one of the bulls. Did you haven't 137 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,800 notice another man who could have been interested in him and could have been closed 138 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:28,560 enough to overhear them. Oh no, Jesus, the place was full like 139 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,279 in the orice Or maybe the bar girl did that Grace cursy or she'll be 140 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,639 in a five thirty if you want to talk to And I have to conback 141 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,240 lay that Chapman's widow is Judo Ryan in about twenty minutes, that Masha had 142 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,080 a wife. Yeah, how about them? Oh, I'm no stuff suret. 143 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,120 But if that guy acted this way and all the times he hit, 144 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,759 she's better off without them. I'll ask Grace if you want what what's your 145 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:50,480 hotel? The lock and if she does remember something about it, i'd appreciate 146 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,440 a car. Sure that my name is Howard. Thanks a lot, I'll 147 00:08:52,440 --> 00:09:11,679 see you, lady. Yeah, Lieutenant Shark. Lieutenant this is Donald. 148 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,639 Oh oh, you got anything report on her? Nothing? That doesn't any 149 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,960 good? Missus Chapman just checked into the hotel. I'm in the lobby there. 150 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,279 Now. How did you make out with Norma's roommate? Oh? Just 151 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,320 fine. She seems like a level headed sort of girl. She says Norma 152 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,679 hasn't gone with any one particular man for a year, that his name was 153 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,360 client mill the six months sentence on some character. They're not important. What 154 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,159 but they're all washed up. He says, he's not even in town, 155 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,120 but we'll look for him anyway. Yeah, I'm going up to talk to 156 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:46,519 the widow. If it's all right with you, Sure, go right ahead. 157 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:48,440 Make a suspect of her if you again, we need youth. Could 158 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,600 be from what I hear is she had a motive, not counting the insurance 159 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,240 money. But I don't know whether she knew it or not. I'll check 160 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:03,360 with you later. Meeting missus Chapman was quite a surprise to me. I 161 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,879 naturally expected to find that would have approximately the same age as the dead man, 162 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,320 something there fifty, But she wasn't. She looked to be only a 163 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,320 few years over thirty. If that don't feel like you have to try and 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,960 make things easy for her, mister Dollar, you don't, al right, 165 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,120 missus Chaplin. Did he suffer much? Oh? He died almost instantly, 166 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:22,519 but it had to happen. I'm glad it went that way. Then. 167 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,080 I hope you understand I'm trying to I take it you aren't too fond of 168 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,080 your husband. I wasn't, and it would be stupid for me to tell 169 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,360 you anything else, or to act any other way than I am acting well. 170 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,840 Still looking for the reason your husband was killed. You said he was 171 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,000 taking this girl someplace. He was, but we haven't been able to make 172 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,360 anything out of that yet. She says, there's nobody who would kill out 173 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,200 of jealousy. I saw her picture in the paper. We doubted her too, 174 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,200 But our closest friend wouldn't have any reason to protect someone who had tried 175 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,360 to kill mis sal She said there was nobody. Well, there are other 176 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,759 men who'd have good reason to kill him. You didn't know him, did 177 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,919 you, No, I never seen him. He was good looking, not 178 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,159 tall, but he sort of looked at He took care of himself, the 179 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,399 iron gray hair. He was better looking when he passed forty five than he 180 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,360 ever was when he was young. I was surprised that you are so young, 181 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,720 missus Chapman. That's why he was attractive to women. My bad luck 182 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,519 was leaving Cleveland and letting myself get roped into a marriage. I found out 183 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,879 about one of these girls, and then he started bragging about all the others. 184 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,919 You mean, it's possible that a man followed them to Los Angeles from 185 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,679 some place else and killed him. I don't know, but I do know 186 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:39,960 that he must have hurt a lot of people. Well he's he's through hurting 187 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,320 me. I've stuck it out because I knew this was going to happen some 188 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,720 day. Every time I've read about a murder like this, I knew it 189 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,639 would happen to him. Now it has. Now. I own a house, 190 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,840 I have a bank account, insurance money. I'm finally getting something from 191 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:07,080 my marriage. I tried to phone a Lieutenant Shaker report on my meeting with 192 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,159 the overly honest missus Chapman, but he was out of his hours getting the 193 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,879 teletype answers to the request he'd made for information from the Cleveland police. So 194 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:20,600 I cabbed over to see him. Now, I'm not saying that what missus 195 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,279 Chapman says is impossible, but I don't want to go off half cocked on 196 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,559 a wild goose. Chack. I didn't think you'd like it. I don't 197 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,759 either. Chapman came here from President I trained, so say it would have 198 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,039 to be some guy from there. I don't see why he didn't well say 199 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,919 he didn't kill him in President because he thought he wouldn't raw suspicion down here. 200 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,039 How did this guy locate him? Chapman didn't reserve a room at the 201 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,320 Quincy. He usually stayed someplace else, so he'd have to be followed. 202 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,600 No good dollar. Why you couldn't expect an an experienced man from Preside to 203 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,080 do a job of tailing like that true Union station from there the Quincy and 204 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:58,720 all this this traffic, or oh it's possible, I suppose you're going to 205 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,159 check him then, so probably wouldn't be too hard to get a list of 206 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,799 the people who got on that train at Tresdone. Yeah, lest hard up 207 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,200 for motives. Now we got'em all over the country. He was old 208 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,000 enough to know better. What here's a follow up on that stuff from Cleveland? 209 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:24,399 Oh? Thanks great? Hm, this was a nice little boy. 210 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,120 HM. Get something. Hey, Chaplin phoned Cleveland that day, checked in, 211 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,000 didn't he? Yeah? It was Friday. Why look at this? 212 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,759 Seems like his missus was seeing a lot of a man named Nicholson. He's 213 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,279 known who left Cleveland on Friday night and he hasn't been seen since. M 214 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,039 like this old lot better. Yeah, this could be what we wanted, 215 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,080 a man with a motive who knew where Chaplin was. You think it's time 216 00:13:50,159 --> 00:14:05,120 you met the honest widow. Uh, we will return you to the second 217 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:09,279 act of yours, truly, Johnny Dollar. In just a moment, Melody 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,159 knows no boundary. Neither does Joy as Ross Emery and Judy Lynn sing their 219 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,440 hearts into Yours and Rayblock's orchestra and chorus off of the music That's Great from 220 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,440 the forty eight. It's the full hour Ray Block Music Party every Friday night 221 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,559 over most of these same CBS stations. Listen for it this Friday, A 222 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,799 whole hour the songs America loves, the music the nation dances to and lives 223 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:39,440 by on Rayblock's Music Party. Now at our star Edmond O'Brien, we return 224 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:52,919 you to the second act of yours, truly, Johnny Dollar. This is 225 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,200 Chairman. This is Lieutenant Shock, investigating your husband's murder. How do you 226 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,399 do and the nature? Miss Chairman? I'm sorry answer, it's not very 227 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,960 pleasant this Chapman. We never did get around are talking about your friend Carl 228 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:09,600 Nicholson, did we? What do you What do you mean? Well? 229 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:13,840 You told me about some of the improvements your husband's death was going to bring 230 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,519 you, but you didn't mention Carl Nicholson. Please. I know I sounded 231 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:20,759 hard when I talked to you. I shouldn't have said some of the things 232 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,679 I thought you were being honest. I was too honest. I'm afraid I 233 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,240 don't think soon. It's a chapman. I've been in touch with the police 234 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,159 back in your home town. They found out somehow about this Carl Nicholson. 235 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 First they said you'd been seeing quite a lot of him, especially when your 236 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,240 husband was out of town? Is that right? Yes, it's true. 237 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,320 MM. What were your feelings toward Nicholson at that time? That its prior 238 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,679 to your husband's death. I'm fond of Carl. I never made any secret 239 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,080 of that. He's my age. We have a lot of things in common. 240 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,120 No, he is why in Cleveland? Oh well, that's funny. 241 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,360 The police told me he was out of town. I don't know what this 242 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,639 means. I don't understand. You didn't know he left town? No, 243 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,679 I didn't. Now if you were fond of each other and you had all 244 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,200 these things in common, it seems to me you deserve to be told if 245 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,799 you were just going up and leave town. When is your sam last missus 246 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,799 Chapman? It was last week Friday, Yannie chance, No, it was 247 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,480 before then. It was Wednesday or Thursday. Why are you asking me these 248 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:25,440 things? The police back there went on to tell me that this Nicholson left 249 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,679 town on Friday. The Cleveland police, why should they even care about car 250 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,679 because I told him that on Friday or a husband had telephoned you from the 251 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,480 hotel where he was staying here in lost anglish. Isn't that right? Yes? 252 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,159 But I don't know what you mean? Didn't you see Nicholson on Friday 253 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,399 after you talked to your husband? No, do you mean that you think 254 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,639 I told him where Al was staying and that he came out here? Now, 255 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,960 missus Chapman, we didn't say we thought anything, but it's our job 256 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,960 to solve this murder. Well, you aren't saying we think you and him 257 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,639 planned the whole thing and he hopped out of here the first thing after he 258 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:03,320 learned where your husband was staying. But there are a lot of things that 259 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:06,480 aren't clear in our mind. The theory you gave me about all these wrong 260 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,680 men around the country didn't hold up too well, missus Chapman. It wasn't 261 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,079 a theory. I just told you what i'd been thinking. You said you'd 262 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,319 been waiting for it to happen. But the way we see it, the 263 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,640 way your husband was killed, where he was killed, makes it jealous out 264 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,839 of town man seen too far fetched, But we're looking into it. Don't 265 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,480 you worry about that? Dope? Do you have a reason to think that 266 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:27,799 Carl has been in Los Angeles? Well, covering the possibility that he might 267 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:33,799 have been Maybe you just mentioned the Quincy Hotel in passing casually, so you 268 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,880 hardly remember. No, I haven't seen Carl or talk to him since before 269 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,920 Al called me. I didn't tell him. Why did he happen to leave 270 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,279 town on Friday? I told you I don't know. I didn't know he'd 271 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,440 left. Well. With all these things in common, what did you think 272 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,119 when the news about your husband reached Cleveland? Didn't you wonder about why you 273 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,279 hadn't talked to the Nicholson all those days? Yes? I did wonder. 274 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,279 Why didn't you tell us all that without all this back and forth? Because 275 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,920 it would have sounded so awful. Do you think you improved things by holding 276 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,440 back? I don't know. Maybe I didn't. The last time I saw 277 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:15,480 Carl was on Wednesday. We had a fight and he walked out. You 278 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:19,720 can prove that's the last time you saw him, Troop. I haven't been 279 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:23,920 thinking about anything like that. We fought over the same thing for almost a 280 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:29,599 year. Carl wanted me to get a divorce and I wouldn't because you were 281 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:32,720 waiting for your husband to get killed. Did you ever tell Carl that? 282 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,920 Yes, you tell him that during is this uh fight on Wednesday? I 283 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,160 think so? But you didn't talk to him after that? No? Could 284 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,599 you have learned someplace else where your husband was saying, I don't know, 285 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,039 I'm I don't know who else. Al called Karl wouldn't kill him. I'm 286 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,799 positive of that. Would you happen to have a photograph of Nicholson? Why? 287 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,720 Some are on their way by radio photo and some others by email. 288 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:00,680 We might be able to save time if you have some. I have one. 289 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,279 I want to raise something off the back, now, don't you fret 290 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:07,000 missus Tamplin Blue. Show it to a couple of people. If Carl is 291 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,160 innocent like you think he us, this is the quickest way to prove that 292 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:21,480 too. I see it's sure. Like to help you, you know, 293 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:25,240 if I've seen a snap of sure and I'm standing, I'm sure. What 294 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:26,640 did the barbers say? Oh, it's the same thing you did. It 295 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,759 was crowded and you wasn't sure. Oh I'm awful. Sigh. That's all 296 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,480 right. I'd rather have a careful witness like you than one that thinks he 297 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,920 has to say something to live up to the title. Well, this guy 298 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,559 could have been here and he couldn't have been That's the best I can do. 299 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:42,920 I'm sorry, thanks, So it's okay. I'll do better next time. 300 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,440 I'll keep my eyes open from now on. Maybe I gotta afforce some 301 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:56,559 day. Hellow tenant, you don't have it go, they say, a 302 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,480 boat, it's so expensive to keep up it before long, you don't own 303 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,440 it. You don't owns you. So we shoulder, and then went my 304 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,039 fishing trips. H you get much back there, Ah, but I haven't 305 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:08,759 gotten back into since before the long? Yeah, you are the everybody are 306 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,839 it's the best nerve. Lieutenant, Well, oh, thanks, we all 307 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,359 belong. Let's take it down when you threw it. Hell on on her? 308 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,480 Oh, we've got a picture of a man we want you to look 309 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,279 at nor muh, why now you look at it? Come on, get 310 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:32,200 a good bright light on it here? Who is he? Have you ever 311 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,720 seen this man? I couldn't swear, but I think he could be the 312 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,119 one that shot mister Girk. I hate to say for sure, because mister 313 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Chapman was on that side. Look at it again, on her? What 314 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:48,079 is now that you think you recognize? Hum? Maybe I'm wrong, But 315 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:51,599 the way he's here right here, the way some of it hangs down across 316 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:55,720 his forest. This man's about dollars height. I'm not sure that he's kind 317 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,880 of crouched. But you think you saw the hair. I don't even know 318 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,319 wh I think that. When I closed my eyes, it seems like I 319 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,000 can see his face. Yeah. Well, now you take a long look 320 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:10,480 at it. Study it. We'll have some more pictures of this man tomorrow, 321 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,960 and if you can be sure, then maybe we can let you look 322 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,160 at him flesh and blood. What happened so fast? Just take your time 323 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,039 and forget the lieutenant and me. If I could, I'd leave it so 324 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,079 you could study it all nighte. But it's a piece of evidence and therefore 325 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:32,640 belongs to the state, so I can't leave it. As it turned out, 326 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,680 we didn't have to take that photograph or any other picture back to Normals 327 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,599 Sales for identification. The first reason turned up. That night, there was 328 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,839 another message from the Cleveland Police. The body of our chief suspect, Carl 329 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Nicholson had been removed from the remains of his car. The crash had occurred 330 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,119 within two hundred miles of his home. Witnesses said that he had been returning 331 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,240 from a friend's country place, and the alcoholic content of his blood gave credence 332 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,920 to missus Chapman's story that they had quarreled. It became obviously that he had 333 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,759 been on a week's trunt. In addition to killing him, it had removed 334 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:11,720 him in other respects as a suspect. The other thing that changed the direction 335 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,759 of the matter is not as closely connected to any of the principles. As 336 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,119 a matter of fact, hardly connected at all. Was a story on the 337 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,920 front page of the next morning's paper. A man named Max Gerber, where 338 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,400 the criminal background had been found, shot to debt. Along with a year 339 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,720 old picture of him was printed the fact that he had been staying at the 340 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:34,319 Quincy Hotel with Lieutenant Shock. I went to view Max Gerber's remains and his 341 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,440 effects, and at ten that morning, Normal Sail was once more ushered into 342 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:42,039 us. Well, Norm, we sh'd keep you busy, don't we, 343 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,599 Sidamo, did you bring some more pictures? Not the same as we brought 344 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,240 last night? That wasn't the man you saw in the alley? I wasn't 345 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:55,279 sure. The bartender at the Quincy says he'd never seen you in there before 346 00:22:55,319 --> 00:23:00,599 the other night. Why'd you happen to go there hight to, no guess? 347 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,559 Seemed like a good idea because I hadn't been there. Was there some 348 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,480 special that took you there? Normal? There must be quite a few SIB 349 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,119 bars where you haven't been. There wasn't anything special, all right, I 350 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,880 think it's fair to tell you that. Uh. We checked the store where 351 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,759 you work and found out that you left there at three Ferry that day. 352 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,200 I didn't feel very good. You felt good enough to go to the quincy. 353 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:22,920 Who felt good enough to let yourself get picked up by this man? 354 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,079 Why? I guess that's my business, isn't it what I wanna do and 355 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,680 who I wanna be with? Why? Sure? It is normal? Who 356 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,759 did you want to be with? What do you mean a man named Elenzo 357 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,960 Chapman or a man named Max Gerber? I just went in that all I 358 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:38,400 met this guy. You Uh didn't go into that bar expecting to meet some 359 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,160 special man, did you? No, not even if you were paid to 360 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,720 meet him. No, I don't know what you're talking about. That man 361 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,000 that was killed. I mean the one you were with. Did you know 362 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:52,480 what he did for a living? That he was a salesman? Well, 363 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,839 that's a forgetting ant. He was a sale We cut two pictures out of 364 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,519 the paper on him. He's one. This is the man you met at 365 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,440 the Quincy. Yes you sure, Normal, Yes, I am. This 366 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,559 man wasn't killed in the alley the other night. He's the man I was 367 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,799 with. No, he isn't. This man was killed last night, Normal 368 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,240 right outside the Quincy Hotel. Here's the picture of the other man. They 369 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,759 look alike, don't they. They're the same. I saw the suit Max 370 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,279 Gerber was wearing. Even it was sort of the same as Chaplin's. It 371 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,319 was brown still, I mean it was Gerber. It was Gerber. You 372 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,759 were supposed to meet. It was Gerber. No, it wasn't. Normal, 373 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,680 Yes it was I. You were supposed to pick up Gerber in that 374 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,000 bar, aren't you. I didn't know what they were gonna do, But 375 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,640 you did pick this man up and take him down that alley. They still 376 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,440 want some money, and that's all they wanted. Tell us how you found 377 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,160 this man at the bar in Norma. They planned him out to the lobby. 378 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,680 He made a fun call, then he went into the bar. I 379 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,960 went in after it. Brown suit, gray hair. It was Alonzo Chaplin 380 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,640 you took out to get killed. Oh it wasn't. Why should we tell 381 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,319 you it was If it wasn't, you're lying to me. You're trying to 382 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,519 trick me. No, they just made it mistake. They blended him out. 383 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200 Then you made the mistake. No, I didn't. I didn't. 384 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,559 I did what they said. They told me I had to, and I 385 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,160 did. They sent me because I was blonded. It wasn't the right one. 386 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,799 They didn't see they were gonna kill him. He just told them some 387 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,240 money. That's all they wanted. That's all I wanted. I didn't want 388 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,359 anybody to get killed. I was blond, I was young, and that's 389 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:40,279 why they sent me for money. Expense count had them too miscellaneous while in 390 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,319 Los Angeles two hundred and fifty five dollars and eight cents had them free, 391 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,960 same as I had one transportation back to Haydred expensive count total six hundred and 392 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,960 seventy two dollars and eight cents. Remarks. The second murder, Max Gerber's, 393 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,079 was a gangland rubbout planned with the aid of a young blonde as bait. 394 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,240 The first murder was only a mistake. The apparent marl that companies shouldn't 395 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,519 hire a salesman, women shouldn't marry them, young blanche should stay away from 396 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,480 them. But confidentially, some of my best friends are insurance salesman, Yours 397 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:25,640 Truly Johnny Dower. Yours Truly Johnny Dollar stars Edmond O'Brien in the title role 398 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,079 and is written by Gildaud with music by Eddie Dunnstitterer. Edmond O'Brien can soon 399 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,599 be seen in the Paramount Pictures production war Pass. Featured in tonight's cast were 400 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,880 Hi Everbach, John McIntyre, Harry Lang, Jeanette Nolan, and Virginia Gregg. 401 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:48,720 Yours Truly Johnny Dollar is transcribed in Hollywood by him del Vallier. Beginning 402 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,000 next Wednesday, Yours Truly Johnny Dollar will be heard one half hour later on 403 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,559 most of these same stations. 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