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It's the great Will Vandervort from the
Clemson insider who stands on his own merits

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a big Steeler fan, of course, Will welcome to the show. Happy

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New Year, my friend. Happy
New Year to you guys. How y'all

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doing. We're doing good, man. We got to tee it off first

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with some a little bit of basketball. Look, it's been a fascinating start

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to the season for Clemson. Of
course, we've got a big game tomorrow

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Florida State Georgia Tech. That's disappointing, and obviously they've had some stumbles along

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the way. You know, Rich
and I were talking about this on the

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last tip Off show that this team
is hard to sort of put your finger

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on, other than maybe the injuries
and all that's going on now in terms

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of some players they are getting back. I thought they'd beat the pants off

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of Georgia Tech. I thought it
was kind of a no brainer. They'd

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been a little bit embarrassed at times, and they feel like they're better than

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they should be, and their record
doesn't indicate what they are. Is it

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too early if you're a kind of
level headed fan to panic about this team,

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because they're very talented, and what
do you say to those who say

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time to fire Brunell again, Well, first of all, hold off on

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the firing thing. You don't fire
somebody off of a five games stretch.

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I mean that's first off, second
of off. You know, I don't

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think you panic. I don't think
you pushed the panic button. But I'll

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tell you this much, this game
against Florida State is as much win a

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must win game as they've had all
year. This is a game they have

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to go win because you look at
who's next, and they got to go

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to Cameron next Saturday and try to
be the duke team who I think is

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starting to hit it stride, and
that's not good. That's not good for

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Clemson. So they need to win
this game and then tried. Then they

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get back on they get back on
their home turf in a couple of weeks,

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you know, with Louisville and Virginia
coming, and that's just kind of

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an opportunity to get right. So
this game is big in a sense.

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You don't want to fall in a
two and seven hole in your car,

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two and six hole in your conference, and and so that's why they need

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to win this game to where they're
not going into next week's game, saying

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that's a must win at Duke.
You don't want to ever go into Duke

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with the must win, right,
You just don't want to. And yeah,

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exactly, So they really need to
win this game to marrogus Florida State.

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No, by the way, that's
not going to be easy because Florida

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State is probably playing its best basketball
the season right now. They've won five

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of their first six conference games and
are really playing with a lot of confidence.

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And you'd have told me at the
beginning of the year, when Florida

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State was sitting there five and five
that they would be in contention for an

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ACC championship the first, you know, three weeks into the conference season,

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I would have laughed at you.
But here they are. They're much improved,

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they're playing a lot better. And
let's be honest, Clemson generally doesn't

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play well when they go down there. That won there last year, so

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that's good. They know they can
go there and win, but it's generally

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a place they do not play well
at. And so tomorrow is a huge

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game for Clemson. And then,
really, I'm gonna be honest with you,

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guys, it's time for Joe Girard
and for Kate under to step up.

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Those guys have not this five game
stretch here where Clinton's one and four,

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those are the two guys that have
been inconsistent, and Clinton needs those

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guys to start playing better on a
consistent level. So Clemson can you know,

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because I think when those two guys
play well, they're eleven and one.

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Oh certainly no two guys. When
those two guys don't, they're one

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and four. So you know,
it's pretty easy mass they need those two

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guys to start playing well. It's
you know, it's a lot like the

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basics in football. We'll talk about
the NFL playoffs here surely, but you

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know your your team of choice for
years. When you miss a guy like

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TJ. Watt, you see the
record without him. I mean that's you

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need your big stars to perform in
big moments. And not to generalize too

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much, but Clemson, it is
a tough road ahead. But I think

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the talent level with PJ. Hall
obviously have one of the best players in

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the country right there. I think
the coaching has been good, but I

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understand you want to win. You
want to win all your games. Everybody

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does. We're gonna see what happens
down the stretch here, and I think

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Will, what comes down to is, you know, in these conference games

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you mentioned at home especially, you
can't be losing the teams you should be

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favored over, not at this point. And if that continues, obviously the

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heat turns up, and if you
miss another opportunity to go to the big

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dance after what happened last year,
you just you can't find yourself in that

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whole. We're gonna see what happens. Let's shift our focus to the world

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of college football. You and I
haven't spoken since well, the first wave

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of all hell broke loose, I
think a week and a half ago.

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When I think, you know,
it's like seeing the Beatles all split up.

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They all retired, all of them. It's Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick

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and then of course Nick Saban.
Will you've covered college football for a long

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time. Did you have an inkling
that Saban was going to retire? I

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did? They just seem like,
you know, you started hearing the rumors

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coming out of Tuscaloosa around the SEC
championship game. Actually before that, we

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started hearing some rumblings around it was
about an Auburn game to be honest with

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you, and so you started here
that there's a chance he was thinking about

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it or it might happen. And
then it kind of went quiet there for

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a little while. And then you
know, I kind of said, like,

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after they lost that game to Alabama, excuse me, to Michigan in

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the in the in the collegetball playoff
game, I kind of, you know,

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thought to myself that he's gonna do
it. He's gonna do it after

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the national championship game, because that's
who Nick Saban is. He's not gonna

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want the attention to be on him
and knock the game itself. And so

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no surprise that he waited till that. I believe that Wednesday when he announced

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he was going to retire, and
you know, you know it was I

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know it surprised some people. I
don't think. I don't think it's surprised

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the people in Alabama. I think
they do. I think that's how I

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feel. And you know, I
do you want to say this. I

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caught him on McAfee a couple of
times, and you know, think what

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you will about McAfee. I really
don't care, other than just to hear

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a few insights from the guests and
Saban. He would comment a lot about

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how special this team was in a
sentimental type of way, and that to

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me, I don't think that's an
ultimate tell. But he was a little

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more reflective I thought this year.
So all the best to him. Obviously,

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Coach Sweeney down there, Dabo is
gonna stay put. I think that

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makes sense for him. I don't
know Coach Sweeney as well as you do,

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and I don't think many people really
work in his inner circle well enough

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to know what a man truly thinks
in his heart. But obviously he's an

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Alabam man to begin with. He's
talking about being a Clemson man. Now,

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if that's the opportunity to get always
wanted and it turned itself up and

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you're still in your prime and you
turn it down, maybe he truly wants

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to be here. Maybe all the
talk about well he's gonna bold any minute,

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maybe that's not true. Fascinating times
and in a couple of new coaches

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on that staff, just your assessment
of Coach Sweeney in his you know,

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commitment to this operation down there,
because look, when he got there at

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eight as the head coach, there
was not quite the infrastructure there is now

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he's a large part of that.
Yeah, you wonder how you know.

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I do know that Dabo spoke with
Alabama. I do know that it was

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in a situation where Alabama offered him, where he offered. He told Alabama

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he wanted to be there. I
think it was more of a feeling out

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conversation from both parties, and you
know, whatever happened in that conversation,

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I don't think anybody will truly know
other than the fact that you know,

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both parties decided when when they talked
that that was kind of going to be

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it. It wasn't go any further
than the level of Jim Harball going to

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meet with the will family for the
Vikings job and then getting a welcome party

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back for never leaving, right,
So it was a yeah, So it

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was a you know, I think
a mutual kind of thing between both parties.

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I don't think, I like said, I don't think Alabama Dabo turned

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Alabama down. I don't think Alabama
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so I do think coach Sweeney,
because of who he is, and I

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do know that one of his dream
jobs is Alabama. That was that was

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like the thing for him and I
know he said he's a Clumpson man now,

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but listen, Devo, Alabama is
always gonna be special. In Davos

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sweety part, I mean he grew
up an Alabama fan. He grew up

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a fan human, grew up a
fan of Paul bear Bryant. He used

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to wear he said he were an
Alabama T shirt and school every day when

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he's a kid. I mean,
this guy he said, I'm gonna go

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play for Alabama, and he went
and did it, and then he beat

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him and the playoffs beat him twice
in the playoffs. How meaningful was that

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to him too? I mean that
that's that's the ultimate compliment, that the

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homage to your your your your place
of of of football worship if you was

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as a child man, I went
against the old program that bear Bryant used

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to run, and I played for
Gene Stallings and I beat this team with

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this great coach twice. It's a
fascinating story and and it leads me to

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my next question that you know,
with this expansion of the playoff the twelve

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teams, you know, the Clemson
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the bat, because you know they're
going to recruit, well, you know,

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the NAWA dynamic and the payments and
all that goes into football. Now

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in the college world, they'll get
with the times as much as they feel

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like they can. Your early assessment
on what their class looks like coming in

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here, because they've got some faces
coming back, you're missing a few guys.

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I know it's early to tell.
The season just ended, but is

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there still some positive trajectory? Are
the feelings good from the closest people around

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the program that cover it and the
boosters and those that support it, or

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are there's still concerns that coach Sweeney
when there were four and four this year

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that I don't know, man,
I think that winning streak was great.

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What was your thought on the carryover? Will it indeed carry over? Do

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they still got to do some things
to get things better? Well? Yeah,

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That's what I was saying, was
like, how motivated is Debo?

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Did him not getting off for Alabama
job? Does that motivate him? Do

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we see Dabo, you know,
become or as hungry as he was when

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they won those national championships and were
playing for it those four years. I'm

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not saying Dabo lost his drive or
motivation or anything. I'm saying, maybe

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this motivates him more, right,
so maybe this motivates them more. We'll

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see. And with that said,
I think, you know, yeah,

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they had a good recruiting class.
Uh. They they feel good about the

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guys they brought in and the guys
that have signed, and and you know

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that feel good about what they got
coming back. When you know, when

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you get a Barrett carter back,
that's huge on your defense and it's huge

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for your leadership on the team.
You know, you get a guy like

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Jake Breenstall who stay committed and he's
going to be back next year at tight

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end and probably their biggest play.
I think Jake could end up being and

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I don't want to use this as
sacrile as Georgia fans, but he can

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enter the same type of conversation that
brock Bauers was in at one point because

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he's that athletic. He's going to
have more experience under his belt. You

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hope do offense is better systematically,
because he really did play well on the

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stretch last year, and he played
even better at times the year before.

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And film Afa too, I mean, his story was amazing that the contributions

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he made down that stretch wherever he
ends up in the future at long term

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film, MafA has got to be
personally one of your favorites covering that team

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close range because he's physical, he's
tough. Minds me of Stephen Davis away

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runs and my god, he is
humble. He's just a good dude.

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Yeah, yeah, he is.
And I think, you know, I

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think, you know, Coach has
got a chance there with him if he

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stays healthy to really have a strong
running game. It's gonna be interesting to

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see who falls in at number two. Spring will tell us that yep,

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they got they get. They recruited
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couple of years, so they feel
good there. Wide receiver, you know,

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you know, you know, we
saw the kid, you know at

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the All American Game, what he
did and what he can be. You

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know, did I say that?
I was like, you know, I

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always ask Clympton fans this, you
know, they talk about Sammy Walkins and

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Nuk Hopkins and them, and I
always say, well, let me ask

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you this question. How many Sammy
Watkins have come to Clemson in the last

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fifteen years? And that answer is
only one, Mammy Watkins. So you

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can't count on it until you actually
see. And that's that's what That's kind

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of what my point is. They're
like, they're still freshmen. I don't

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know what they're gonna be. You
know, uh, maybe maybe he come

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in and be somebody. What I
do know what they got coming back?

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You know, you got a guy
and and Tyler Brown, who I think

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is gonna be He's gonna get even
better Antonio Williams. I think now coming

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off the injury season. He showed
out in the in the Gator Bowl.

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So getting him back because I'm gonna
tell you old miss was very close to

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grabbing him, very close to grabbing
him. Yeah, yeah, you know.

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So so you know, getting him
back is a big deal for Clemson.

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guy, I think he's gonna be
a standout as Troy Troy. Late in

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the year, he became a very
consistent receiver. And if they get him

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to be even more consistent next year, he's going to be a big time

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playmaker for them. And he's got
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you know, we'll see if he's
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by the way, that guy is
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him out of face. He's going
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not quite as fast as his uncle
Seawan, who represents Tommy Cutlets. But

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I'll leave that aside here. I
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And what a hell of an end
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of the most crazy UH Bowl games
I've ever watched. And it just goes

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to show you those who don't like
the Bowl games, Look, they do

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mean something to a lot of people, maybe not to everybody, and even

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those who opt out, they're doing
it for a reason. Probably Entuy did

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it. Sure? Did you see
a few teams out there laying in the

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egg And maybe they don't have their
their top guns, but it's good for

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the sport. And and I stuck
the pop tart thing? Oh my tree,

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did you see the pop tart?
The top tart with the top stuff

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music played in the background and the
coach, the coach, what what team

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won? Will we're rhyme me?
Was that Kansas State? Who's the winning

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coach of the pop tart ball?
And he had to eat that thing?

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And I could tell you that Neil
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he looked like, you know,
Maryland's coach loved it. Beam Er.

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Neil Brown's like, can he get
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got it. We got we gotta
talk NFL real quick with you. The

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Steelers obviously that's your team, it's
Trey's team. He's driving me nuts about

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this team every day. He wants
to, uh, you know, hire

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I guess every offensive coordinator in the
sun. And rightfully so, just if

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you give us a few minutes of
your time on the state of the Steelers,

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because you've followed this team, You've
you've reported on football for so long.

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I mean Tomlin obviously is deciding to
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I think that the staff, what's
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the quarterback. I personally, I
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I can project it. I can
see it now. It sounds like

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Mason Rudolph is gonna be They're gonna
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sounds like from what Tomlin said that
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year for the job. And Mason
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it sounded like he was coming back. So there. Here's the thing for

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the Steelers with Mason Rudolph. They
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agency begins to work out a deal
before it even starts. So they're gonna

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do everything they can, excuse me, to keep him. And so we

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have that said. I think the
Steelers are draft a quarterback, but I

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think it's gonna be maybe fourth round
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compete. They're gonna move away from
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And and they'll they'll go get somebody
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three quarterback and then they're gonna put
it. They're gonna put competition in play

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with Kenny Pickett, made and Rudolph
and guys, I'll tell you what,

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Mason Rudolph won me over even in
the playoff exception of the ones that one

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passed. And you know, he
he's throwing the ball down the field,

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and you know, Deontay Johnson,
he told everybody what he thinks he did.

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He wants Basan Rudolph to be his
quarterback. You know it is,

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well, you got a quarterback and
a little bit of Bryce Young going on

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here in Carolina with the same kind
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in short order. It was this
one game. But you have a six

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foot three guy now that can sort
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field better. Picketts still learning how
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the hand sized thing isn't a huge
deal. But man, with the weather

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cuts in that Pittsburgh win, guys
down to Mobile telling me that the senior

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ball it wasn't pretty in that bad
weather day. So it's the complete thing

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with this. The chemistry element of
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that they tend to be a bit
of malcontents, especially Pickens. I love

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the way he plays, but they're
wide receivers. Man, I think their

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frustrations are warranted. That's where I'm
getting that. I think they've got to

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get instability at quarterback because he's guys, that's this is funny. I just

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relieve you with this. That game
the end of the year, and I

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love Dan Orlovsky to a point,
but when his analysis starts stinking, I'm

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screaming the TV. Now, you
know, at the end of that game,

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they had to win, right so
they need to get up by two

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possessions. All they needed is a
field goal. Is screaming the booth.

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Pickens has had no targets right now, I'm taking a shot. I'm taking

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a shot, and I'm like,
run the clock out and kick a field

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goal. Dan, I think the
producers got in his ear final and you

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said, Dan, O, they
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But Pickens needs a guy like Rudolph. I guess that's their next option

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to do the thing they gotta do, which is somewhat what looked like Ben

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Roethlisberger for a minute. Piket Ain't
it man, He's just not who you

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got, just real quick, who
you got advancing here? I know it's

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tough, but do you have a
super Bowl I got? I gotta say

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this, okay, Mason rus not
Ben Roethlisberger, say that we'll keep that

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in a different realm. I tell
you you're the worst. You come in

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our stadium every three years and you
beat the living pulp out of us,

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and I say, one thing like
that will go ahead and then but as

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far as the other games go,
I mean, I think Buffalo can will

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beat the Chiefs. This will this
will be an interesting game. Pastor Mahomes

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first playoff game, that's crazy.
Yeah, and then I like, I

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like, I like the Packers to
upset the forty. I think that's I

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think that's gonna happen because I just
think this Jordan love kid man, he's

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the real deal too, you know. And and I think they just put

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a lot of pressure on defenses.
Now San Francisco will be the best defense

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they've seen, obviously, but man, they just put so much pressure on

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the other team to score. And
I'm not I'm still not a brock pretty

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fan. I watched them play Clemson
in the UH in the in the chie

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Itt ball better him that night.
I'm telling you, you know, you

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throw a complicated defense at him.
He struggles. And yeah, it's not

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that it's very easy with the San
Francisco team, and the good buddy of

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var Neil the calls in. He's
a big forty nine Ers fan. Tried

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to push back on this, but
overall the writing sentiment is most teams are

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like this, but especially San fran
for as good as they are, they

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don't have the ability really to change
what they are if they get down in

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a game. And you see this
time and time, and you saw it

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in Baltimore. They're always leading games
Baltimore exactly. You saw that against Baltimore

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where they even at home, Baltimore
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they end up getting behind and that
game was over. And so I can

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back, can put a lot of
pressure on their offense and we'll see what

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happens there. Yeah. And then
on the other side, I like I

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like the Ravens. I think they're
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I think, as much as I
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their year and you know, I
like them to win. And then in

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the other game, trying to help
me out here, I don't one everybody

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forgot. It's the anti game,
that the orphan game. It's the Rams

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in the Lions and the Buccaneers of
the line. Goodness, I'm sorry,

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give me, give me Detroit to
win that game. I think they win

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it handedly. I'm kind of with
you there. But this I told Trey

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the same things I'll tell you.
If all four underdogs win this week,

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and this is not a betting show, I'm just saying undogs in general,

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it would not shock me a bit. It would not shock me one bit.

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If all four road teams won this
week. But well, CJ.

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Stroud is Dan Marino. I mean, this guy's he's him two point zero

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Dan Marino. He is. His
release is unbelievable. And I know people

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are like, well, he's more
athletic than dam MARINEO, and he is,

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but he's he loves to sit in
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got such a quick relief. Listen, I remember TJ. Watt earlier this

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year saying after that game that he's
never seen anybody that could throw the balls

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fast as that kid throws it.
And that's praise coming from t J.

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Watt. Here's the real, here's
the reality. If they beat Baltimore,

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if they be will if they beat
Baltimore, which to me is clearly right

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now the only complete dominant team left
in that AFC right now, maybe that

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changes they went. If they're three
wins away from putting something on CJ.

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Stroud's finger that Dan Marino has never
had a damn ring in year one,

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and that's amazing in the in a
rookie season. I can't believe more people

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aren't talking about it. It's like
an MVP candidate type of season. Yeah,

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honestly, that kid's unbelievable. He's
uh, he's gonna be a star

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league and so so short Love.
I'm telling you, man, after the

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Dealers game, Jordan Love just is
a different player. And I'm glad we

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didn't play that Jordan Love when he
came to Pittsburgh a few months ago.

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We would have lost that game.
We played that Jordan Love. That was

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Bryce's best game all year, and
I think it raised his game up a

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little bit and I'm hoping for Panthers
fans that it continues. But man,

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they got a long road thanks to
the former minority share owner of your team,

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the Steelers. They got a lot
of work to do. But hopefully

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you can in some of that good
uh that gins are luck down our way

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and give us a few of those
winning seasons you've had. Will you always

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win? At the Clemson Insider,
my friend, and we'll be catching up

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with you soon, my friend.
Good to talk to you, all right,

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Nice talking to you guys. We'll
talk to you later.

