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Bubo fay By Cliff, Yes, Bobo, what's going on? All sorts
of stuff, you know, getting ready for a new podcast episode that's pretty
exciting. Other than that, the museum's kind of humming along. It's a
little slow today, but you know, for the most part, we're kind
of humming along. Getting ready to go to Ohio this weekend for the Ohio
Bigfoot Conference. Oh yeah, got a corporate gig next week. So yeah,
there's all sorts of stuff happening as usual. Went out of the woods
earlier in the week, but found some footprints that was not fight U some
footprints and went out and found some others. We'll talk more about that on
the members episode. But yeah, it's been a very very active sort of
week for me. Cool big foot stuff like in the field. Yeah yeah,
those footprints up there, yeah, great stuff. Man. It was
very very close to where those guys saw the Sasquatch on January twenty fifth,
just three months ago. Oh, rad, Yeah, yeah, so I
can't wait to tell you a little bit more about that. So yeah,
but we'll be doing that on the members episode. And that's part of the
benefit of being a member, of course, of Bigfoot and Beyond is that
you get to hear all the skinny from all of us. You know what
we're really up to, and there's a little bit less editing going on in
there. And of course I guess the big, big, big bonus for
being a member of Bigfoot and Beyond is that you get to listen to these
regular episodes with zero commercials. That's zero, zero none. Well, I
do like our commercials. Well yeah, that's but you're also a member,
aren't you, Bobo, so you can listen to it with commercials and then
later without I go with, well, I recommend maybe just doing with commercials
in one ear and then without in the other ear. That's the wrong way
to do it, yeah, kind of stereo, you know, in a
way, it'll it'll be out of phase. That's gonna that's gonna mess up
by in one ear out the other. Plan on Cliff, I didn't think
about that, but you see that you think everything Bobo. Yeah, thinker
boy, Yeah, you are a thinker AnyWho. It is a Q and
A episode here. We're kind of excited about this one. We really enjoy
the Q and a's is a nice way to interact. There are some technical
difficulties. We won't be playing any of the voice recordings. We're gonna save
those for next time. So we're just gonna go written questions today. But
if you are dying to hear what Cliff and Bobo have to say about one
of your questions, you can submit them. You can do so with a
voicemail or a an email. I guess all you have to do is go
to Big Thing and Beyond podcast dot com, hit the contact button and there
will be your option right in front of You can either type alway a question
for us, or you can record your voicemail for us and you can hear
your voice on the air and with our lightly heckling to follow. Yeh,
well, we got we got something right here, dude. From our man
Cody Polly the Legend Nice Tody Polly. Yeah, Yeah, Hey Boa,
did you actually eat the pig's eyeball in the Santa Cruz episode of Finding Bigfoot?
Absolutely? Yeah, I've eaten. I've eaten those several times. I've
eaten them in Hawaii too. What do they taste like? Nothing? Really,
I mean nothing bad. They're super good. They're super nutritious, like
they're really good for you. I imagine they It tastes like nondescript meat pretty
much. Yeah, it's kind a strange texture. When do you think it's
an eyeball? It's kind of gross, but I just think it's just whatever.
It's not so bad. Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you
about. There is the texture pretty pretty like I don't know what would be
the word pretty, tough, sinewy, or what would be the adjective you
would use there? It was I guess fibrous. Fibrous That makes sense because
I've heard of fiber optics. It was squishy, but I mean it wasn't
like it wasn't like a It was more solid than a grape, but it
was grape like. Did it still have the the aqueous solution inside? Yeah,
well kind of it was. Most of it's boiled out, but there's
some there's some liquid in there. Did it pop in your mouth kind of?
Yeah? Really? Those are flavor crystals. Oh yeah, it's good
by me. I just could I just can't see eating an eyeball moving macho.
Yeah, I know, well there was a joke in there, so
anyway, I just can't see eating an eyeball. Yeah yeah, never mind
this Cliff in his lonely humorous world. Is that some grateful dead reference?
No, no, just I can't see eating an eyeball. Oh God,
how can I miss that? Damn? I feel that way every time I
say any joke, And it's not just about it, not not about you,
because you get You've been around me long enough, you get almost all
my jokes, which is, you know, tip of the hat to you.
But you know, when I'm out there in the real world whatever that's,
whatever that is, you know, flinging these things left and right,
I just feel like nobody gets it. Pearls before swine, pearls before swine
eyeballs. I love I love it when people don't get it. When you're
joking, you say something great, they don't, none of them get it.
But then sometimes I get kind of a little upset about it, like,
damn it, he fools. I kind of like it because jokes.
Then suddenly, not only did I say a great joke, but the joke's
also on them because they didn't get it right. But that's my I guess
that's my arrogance. But I hit it when you're hanging out with someone that's
kind of like downber than you or less experienced whatever, and you you make
a joke and that like it's obviously if you're being like facetious or sarcastic,
and they're like, oh no, they talk to me like you're a moron,
Like they just don't get it. Yeah, well, you know,
we we uh. It's my opinion that we only really see ourselves in the
world, so it makes sense that people might speak to others as a moron,
you know. Yeah, let's go to the next questions from John Gayrett
Garrett Garrett G E. H R. E. T. Garay. I
don't know, but anyway, John, I got that part right, Hi,
Cliff and Bobo. There are a few people who have studied the Patterson
Gimlin film who are not novices, by the way, who claim that there
is good evidence that the casts made by Patterson and Titmus were not from the
line of footprints made by Patty in the film. I've been following information about
Bigfoot in general over the course of my life. And this is the first
I've heard of this allegation. I have my own opinion on this, but
I want to know what you two think. Is there any evidence good or
if he or maybe is that this could be the case? Thanks Walther Dash
Yes, nonsense, that's complete nonsense. Whoever this person is that that has
that is not a novice, sure is acting like one, because there literally
is a film of the trackway you can find. I know Bobby Short's website
Bigfoot, what is that Bigfoot encounters dot com. I think it's called.
Yeah, Bobby's dead, of course, but like her website still up,
and it is a treasure trove of information, and much of it is correct,
not all of it. She had some opinions and she changed some things
around from and I understand from the factual wait it initially happened and whatever else.
But most of her evidence, most of the stuff on her website's actually
pretty good. But one of the things that is on her website is a
very very small and short snippet from this the lost second Reel, The Patterson
Gimlin. Officionados in our listenership would of course know that There were two reels.
The first reel is mostly b roll from when Roger and Bob are tripping
around and Bluff Creek for those two weeks or something like that before they got
the film. The last fifty eight seconds or so is the Sasquatch, and
the film role actually ran out while they were filming the Sasquatch, you know,
like they sort of like upp flipping away there, and that's why they
stopped filming. Because that's what the questions all bigfoot researchers should ask whenever they
see a big foot piece of footage, a footy, you know, big
footage, is why did they stop filming? In Roger's case, the thing
that they ran out of film? Okay, So then after the sasquatching away,
Roger went under a blanket, a saddle blanket, and changed into the
second role, and then they filmed Bob jumping off a log, They filmed
the trackway, they filmed god knows what else. We don't know because that
film role is lost, just like the original first role is. It's also
lost. But the second role is lost, and they're no copy was made
of it, but there is a little snip it out there on Bobby Short's
website, maybe Matt Prue can put a link somewhere or something, I don't
know. And it shows a series of footprints in the ground that are clearly
from the Patterson Gimlin film subject. And one of the footprints has plaster in
it. And if my memory serves, and I'm pretty good about the footprints
stuff, maybe not everything else, I believe it's the right foot. See
Roger and Bob cast a right foot and a left foot at the scene that
day, on the twentieth of October, and they chose the cleanest, clearest,
most beautiful print because back then they were looking for what does the bottom
of the foot look like? So there is actually evidence that that Roger and
Bob cast from that line of tracts. Unless somebody wants to go on to
say that that that that piece of footage is not from that day, that's
a hard argument to make because it is a recognizable footprint of the Patterson GM
film subject. So whoever is saying this nonsense is spew and nonsense. There
is evidence that those tracks Roger and Bob left and right that you're talking about,
I'm assuming came from that trackway. Now, of course, let's fast
forward a little bit. Lyle Laborty forest cruiser at the time. He went
on later to work in the higher levels of government. He stumbled across the
site the following Monday. Roger and Bob filmed it on a Saturday. Then
Yle Laborties stumbled up upon the site on Monday and found cowboy boot tracks and
horse tracks and the trackway of the sasquatch. He photographed. I think he
took four photographs of three prints. There's a duplicate print in there. Those
same prints, or two of those prints, if I remember correctly, were
cast by Bob Tipmas night or seven days after that. Bob came to the
site nine or ten days after the filming event and cast ten footprints regardless of
quality, Okay, just ten footprints in a row, no matter how good
or bad they were. He cast all of them in a row. And
that is a fantastic trackway, by the way, All all those I mean
all the series of tracks I should say casts specifically, and two of those
footprints that Lyle Laverty photographs on that following Monday were cast by Bob. So
I mean, yeah, there is evidence. There is good evidence in my
opinion, the stories that these people told of their events of finding the tracks
or casting in Bob Bob's case, or a Roger and Bob doing their thing
on that day. It all matches up. It all matches up. There's
photographic evidence on top of it, there's cast evidence that matches the photographs.
So I don't know who this guy is is saying that that that doesn't even
matter who this person is. They're incorrect, you know, in a basket
quality other research. Perhaps you shouldn't listen anymore. Well, one of the
skeptical arguments that I think this person is referring to people have speculated or hypothesized
that Patterson filmed the Sasquatch quote unquote Sasquatch earlier and that it was developed and
you know, maybe that there were multiple takes, and so once the take
was selected, that they subsequently went down there and fabricated those tracks, and
then the event they came out with the Ben Stirrup made a bunch of phone
calls, Hey, this happened down here, and so that's that's the sort
of genesis. I'm assuming that John is referring to the genesis of that particular
theories that people think that he filmed that some weeks prior to October twentieth,
once he had selected the best take and knew what the final product would look
like. That then he subsequently went fabricated those tracks, photographed that fabrication,
and then fabricated coming out of there, you know, staged acted it out
that oh this happened, go look, and subsequently people go down there and
look at it. So I think that's why so many people pay such scrutiny
to the film to see if you can see any of the tracks in the
actual film being made by the subject itself. Well, it sounds like a
bunch of who That's a much of who ha too, isn't it? Maybe
because the people who did go to the site, I mean, Daniel Perez
interviewed Lyle Laberty, I think twice at least once. I know at least
once, and he commented about seeing the trackway and he had commented about seeing
Roger and Bob's prince everywhere. We know that's the site. I mean,
you can identify trees in the background, we know the location where it happened.
Yeah, it just sounds like a bunch of who haw to me,
And it's like one of these things you look at the you go down these
rabbit holes and then you start believing anything, and it's just I don't know,
but you know, I'm going to say something fairly controversially at this point,
it's like, haven't we had enough man at the PG film, Let's
go get another one. I feel that way very often, Like it wouldn't
bother me if we never discussed it ever. Again, It's great, I
love it, it's cool, but I mean, it keeps giving information and
stuff. But at some point, man, just stop trying to ring that
sponge of any more water and go get another one. So there you go,
John, I mean, I don't know what evidence this guy's talking about.
There seems to be plenty of evidence that supports the claims of both Roger
and Bob and Lyle Labberty and Bob titmuss and you know, think about it.
John Green was at the site back in June, you know, the
following June and sixty eight. He and whoever was with him at the time,
who was that that was, Yeah, McLaren. Yeah, those guys
saw the footprints in the ground. You know, they were still there.
They weren't distinct, but they were still there even after the winner. So
I don't know, man, I mean, all these people say the same
thing. All these people were singing the same song. I think that's the
right tune. Man. I don't know what evidence that this other guy's come
up with and doesn't seem to be valid to me. So thank you John
for that question. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages. So here we go orfa Frank.
On a personal level, how will your lives change when this proof is
produced? Do you continue hunting, open a sanctuary? How will the site
change? I think once discovered as real, Bigfoot will be in danger,
mostly from the forces of capitalism, greed, novelty, human stupidity. What
are your thoughts on this and how do you think Bigfoot will respond? It
thinks to make some good points. Yeah, I mean, it might be
the worst thing that ever happened to him. It might not be. I
mean I could see it going bad. I could see it going good or
mixed. It's probably gonna be a mix. You know. It's going to
be good for him in some ways and bad for them and others. Yeah,
I don't really see my life changing very much, because they're already real,
you know. I live like they're already real because they are. I
bet the museum does a little bit better. I think that'll be kind of
cool. But at the same time, like, how will my life change,
Probably not very much. I'll be excited to see, you know,
the at geodocumentary on sasquatches. That'll be cool. I will continue going out
there and doing my best to gather evidence and learn about them. And since
I am associated with an institution, you know, the the NABC, the
museum here, as small and pittally as we are, we are an institution.
I'm hoping that maybe we can contribute or at least continue to contribute to
the cause, you know, to the cause of learning about these animals.
You know. I think that's going to be a big part of what we
do in the future, because I'm not going to stop walking the roads and
looking for footprints. The only difference is that when I find something, there's
going to be a small group of biologists that care, and that's the only
thing that's going to change. But that doesn't affect my life except that I
have somebody to show. Yeah, So that's kind of what I'm thinking.
I don't think that I'm gonna have a drastic change to my life in any
way, really, because they are real. Yeah, so I don't think
my life is going to change any drastic way. I'm going to continue doing
what we do. The NBC is going to continue as is, and uh,
I guess that I can start learning from professional scientists about it and putting
my data in front of them for their interpretation. So that'll be cool.
Yeah. If sasquatches exist, then they are already being endangered by all of
the forces that were mentioned in the question, and so I would think that
discovering them, recognizing whatever their habitat requirements might be protecting those habitats would be
the only intervention to that. Yeah, and really we could, we could
be doing that now, but it just wouldn't have the force of, you
know, possibly endangered animal, especially one as unique and unusual as a sasquatch
is. So I have a big advocate of protecting public land because I know
that that's the only way we can indirectly protect the sasquatch at this point.
By trying to curb pollution and paving and whatever else. I don't think road
building, bothers them a bit. I don't think loogging really bothers them so
much. I don't think any of the normal sort of uses of land bother
them very much. I think paving is really about it that we can do
to really screw them up. But I could be wrong about that, and
I look forward to learning more after they're recognized as a species. Yeah,
like that ild classic saying what's the smartest animal on earth? The one that's
had to be discovered by man? Yep here here they're there. All Oh,
thanks for that question orfa on to the next question. The next one
comes from RJ. Spelled like it sounds, by the way. Greetings,
Cliff, Bobo, and Matt. I have a question for you gentlemen today.
Since bigfoot live off an all natural diet in the wild, do you
believe pesticides off of orchard fruits picked by bigfoot or gifted fruits and veggies would
have any adverse effect on the creature And do you think organic gifting is a
better option. Yes, they definitely prefer organic. I've talked to a lot
of them, you know, leave out food gifts, you know, and
they they won't touch like sprayed apples or pears or but I mean in some
places they want they have no other choice, but they'll go for the organic
every time. I think if they're opportunistic and they get the opportunity to,
whether it's rating crops or farms or orchards or whatever the case may be,
that's going to constitute such an infinitesimally small part of their overall diet, even
for a given individual. I don't know that it would matter very much.
Oh yeah, I don't thin it's going to affect their health too much.
I mean just I think they just they don't like the taste. Who doesn't
like the taste of organic better, you know, usually, But if they
were eating like entirely fruit that was cultivated by humans, then maybe. But
I would assume, you know, if these animals exist and they're the size
that people describe that, you know, the way that they make anti venom,
as I understand it is they'll inject snake venom into something very large,
like a horse, because there's a per unit of blood sort of ratio,
and so the horse produces antibodies. They extract those antibodies and that's anti venom.
And so if you have an eight hundred pound animal or something of that
nature that's occasionally eating a bit of that fruit. I don't know the pesticide
would be enough to have an adverse effect on something that large. Oh no,
No, I don't think I wouldn't. I'm just saying I think they're
taste buds. They don't like it. At this point, If if conservation
is the goal, if you could successfully gift to sasquatch anything, I would
say, anything's on the table, whether it's a zagnat bar or pancakes slathered
in sugary syrup or whatever the case may be, and they'll definitely, yeah,
they like that stuff. But I mean, like I know people that
you know, like I said, like I got too expensively keep bringing them
organic food that they bring them conventional you know, spread like Safeway stuff and
it's like you know, the treated chemicals and pesticides, and said, yeah,
they wouldn't they would. I've heard that from several people that like you
know, trustworally long term witnesses that have you know, have a gifting spot,
and they said they wouldn't take the the after they had organic for years,
they wouldn't take the regular stuff. Well, if we look at the
body of claims of people who claim to have given sasquatches food and the sasquatches
have taken it voluntarily. The ones that are associated with the people of high
caliber, high reputation, and who've collected evidence, And again the evidence is
subjective. There's no proof yet, but for the sake of the argument,
like all of those have to do with usually like enriched white flour products,
sweet feed, and or in both those cases, a lot of sugar.
I haven't seen anyone produce any evidence associated with the taking of like organic things.
So I think we're weighing all those claims. It seems like, well,
if you really wanted to gift them something that would keep them coming back,
you've got to give them something they can't get in the natural world,
and sugar is one of those things, because the highest concentration of sugar in
the natural world is honey, and you're not going to get a lot of
it at a time, and it's not going to be very easy to get
either. And so I don't know. I'm sure that there are people who
claim that they have a preference for organic fruit over other fruit, but I
would ask, you know, where's where's the beef? So to speak?
Not that there's again there's no proof out there yet, but the people who
have produced evidence from repeat visitation scenarios where food was involved, it's usually again
zagnet bars, pancakes, honey buns, ho hos like all these terrible things.
And or sweet sweet feed. Sweet feed is the thing I've heard the
most. Or cook meat. I don't know, I just, I just
I can't think of Sasquatch as having that discriminating them a palette, honestly.
I mean, they're eating roadkill and stuff. I don't think they have much.
I don't think they care about much, you know, except for getting
those calories in their in their gullet. You know, but who knows,
who knows? Maybe they do care. Maybe you can taste all that stuff,
But I don't know. Haven't I heard something about eating peaches whole or
something like that, Just like, yeah, yep, I've heard that.
I mean, I see the way sochy Gulfstown food. I'm thinking, how
do you How do you know you even like the taste of meat if you're
eating it like that? You know, they maybe the same way. My
absolute favorite Sasquatch claim of all time, which I do not think is true,
but is nonetheless hilarious involves eating peaches, and it's definitely best told off
the air, so maybe we'll tell it in the member section. There's another
teasertrons there you go. So I don't know, RJ. Does that answer
your question? I hope so, because that's all you're getting. Oh it's
my joying, Okay. Matthew Hoskins writes loved the podcast and of course the
show in season five, episode seven, is a yetti dance a real cultural
thing? Or was Lakfa, the Sherpa and Bobo just making it up or
as they went along they did have a yetti dance, but I was just
kind of making my part up. Well, I was. I was doing
their part, but I had like a like a slip disc in my back
at the time, so I was had that big infection in my leg,
so I wasn't dancing too smooth. Yeah. I don't know if I have
anything to add on that since I wasn't there that day. Yeah, they
well, they had the Shirpa dance and the Yetti dance. They had like
two dances, and those guys would party that they you know, they lived
their beer and like their nepolie moonshine which was I don't know what it was,
but they put it in diesel used diesel cans, so it tasted like
diesel. But we like, uh we you know, I subtle mettion with
those guys. They would dance the same song, the same dance over and
over for hours every night, and they never got sick of it, and
they just laugh and sing and dance. It's it's it's really cool, but
it's like, man, how can you do that to the same songs,
like two songs over and over and over. They loved it. We must
have told the story at some point on the air, how you were accused
of causing floods Bobo. Yeah, we talked about it, did we?
Okay, yeah that's what I thought. Well, I angered a goddess.
Yeah, exactly is your fault that a flood happened. That's kind of cool.
I pissed off a few goddesses. You're a force of nature. Yeah,
what you probably even know? Do you have notes on this stuff for
it? Like we talked about what episodes and that's probably not just my institutional
memory. I couldn't tell you what episode specifically something was, unless it was
maybe from A Q and A because I organized those together and so I could
search those in my email by date. But otherwise I could tell you if
something was discussed before or not, but I couldn't necessarily tell you what episode
it was. I think it was an early Bobo story time. Yeah,
I know that we did an episode specifically about YETI oriented things, or maybe
just that trip in particular, But no, we have talked about that on
here before. It might have been too when we had Chad hammel On.
I think you guys told some of the stories from that trip and the people
with like the makeshift guns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely told
the story on here in depth, indeed indubitably. So. Yeah, but
that is where I heard the Yeti. That's why I heard the Yeti vocalizations
was doing the ship. But during the Yedi dance is when it after I
did some big Foot calls, is when we got the return Yeti call,
which was totally different, totally different sound. Well, there you go.
I hope that answers the question. Matthew. Okay, the next question looks
like this comes from a Teresa Kozik. We've all heard the accounts of how
fast Bigfoot can run. I wonder why Patty didn't take off full speed.
Do you think she was trying to lure the four horsemen away from a juvenile
that was hiding four horsemen? Actually, there were only two people at the
site. You might maybe maybe it's an error here, but the four horsemen,
of course, refers to John Green, Reneeda Hinden, Rover Krantz,
and who I'm missing, Peter Burn, who were kind of the four early
bigfoot researchers that everybody kind of looked to. So those are the four horsemen,
kind of named after four horsemen of the Apocalypse. We did a show
recently about that. So but just to be clear, though, there were
only two people at the scene when Patty was observed, and they were both
on horses, so maybe she been trying to lure the two horsemen away.
But nonetheless, just to clear that up, just in case treesa some confusion
about why we call these people horsemen. Different situation there. I wonder why
Patty didn't take off full speed. I don't think she needed to. I
think that after the initial encounter, which was probably less than twenty five or
thirty feet away, and the horses reared back, Roger was thrown off,
Bob was getting control of the horse. I think she kind of watched all
hell break loose and like the pandemonium that was ensuing, and just kind of
quickly walked away because there wasn't a need to do anything else. And if
you look at the way the direction she walked, people said atam she didn't
run into the woods. Well, actually what she did is she immediately put
an obstacle between her and Roger and Bob. She put that big root,
like the big woodpile thing that we see in the film. She went behind
that and then walked directly away instead of going into the woods. And I
think that was probably a better escape route for her than going up into the
mountains into the brush at that point, because it looks like it's right there,
but it's not. It's a little ways back. I think that what
she did makes a lot of sense for her situation. Now, could there
have been another one around? Yeah, absolutely there could have been. There's
no visual evidence of that, although lots of people have said there are,
but I don't go chasing blob squatches. I don't believe any of that.
There are. As far as anyone can tell, there was one sasquatch in
that film. All those dark shadows and stuff like that in the woods behind
her are almost certainly just dark shadows in the woods behind her, not Bigfoot
faces. And you know, Bob Gimlin hiding and doing all this other nonsense
that these people think. Man, you start the film long enough, you're
gonna start seeing all sorts of things that are not there. And as proof
of that, just go look online for what people say about it. It's
a shame that no one thought to interview the horses. I know, could
animal psycha. He'll do it right. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages. This next
one comes from Michael Wolf, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. I was looking
at the map of Ohio and it got me curious. Southeastern Ohio is obviously
squatchy, and so is Kentucky and West Virginia. What's interesting to me is
that Ohio is separated from those two states by the Ohio River. The only
way to cross between them is either by crossing the quarter mile wide river or
diverting through Pennsylvania. Assuming the Sasquatch population of Ohio is not completely isolated from
the Appalatia. How would they travel between these states? Long swim, run
across the bridge at night? Hitchhike. Love the show and always keep it
squatchy Michael. They obviously they swim through they aquatic eight and they have no
problem someone out there. I mean, oh, I screwed this up last
episode. I was saying Prince Edward Island. I was I meant to say
Queen Charlotte. Queen Charlotte Islands. They've been seen numerous times swimming back and
forth between Queen Charlotte's and the mainland. And so they you know some of
those islands, you know, you got to swim sixty miles and totally it's
some of those islands. So they can swim. So a river would be
no problem. Maybe certain times a year of flood stage you might a little
more hesitant to do it. But I think they have no problem acrossing that
river at all. Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I've spoken to
several witnesses that have seen them swim. So yeah, these things are swimmers.
We all know that, or maybe we don't all know, but gorillas
aren't big on swimming. They don't tend to enjoy water in fact, they
used to think that rivers were natural barriers that gorillas could not or would not
cross. That doesn't seem to be true. But they just seem to like
avoid the water. They don't seem to like it very much. But sasquatches
just don't care. They are very much at home in the water. They
swim, no big deal of them at all. A river. If they
can see the other side, they can they can swim there. That's kind
of what it comes down to. Yeah, they've been known to run across
certain bridges, like really remote bridges and really cold, freezing, you know,
treacherous, gorgeous like you know, high floodwaters, no raging, you
know, class five rapids, like they're not going to jump into that.
But anything below that, I think it's not an issue for them at all.
Now, I mean across the Columbia River, rivers like a mile wide,
and a lot of spots are more. Of course, a lot of
it was also quite shallow. A lot of people don't realize that, but
the Columbia River, even though it may be a mile wide, three quarters
of that width is actually you know, between three and eight feet deep,
So they would only have the swimming quarter mile or something. But they do
it. They do it. It's not a big deal at all. They
probably do it at night where nobody's looking hard to see them. That kind
of thing. Not a big deal for a Sasquatch. They don't care.
And apple watchings go into Ohio. They go up in like a third of
the way up into Ohio. Next, the next question comes from Rabid Sasquatch.
All right, Rabid, I hear that there were a few episodes of
Finding Bigfoot where the editors made it look like a figure was unidentified when in
fact you found it was a person, and that you guys threatened to quit
the show if such editing techniques were used. Again, I'm wondering if you
can explain which episodes those were and what it turned out to be and what
findings in the first season were truly left unexplained the first three episodes. Yeah,
I don't think we threatened to quit. We just threw a hissy fit.
I did. Well. Yeah, but I mean, we're under contract.
You couldn't really do it, but h I think that we could.
Okay, all right, Besides, Bobo, I don't think we're necessarily gonna
quit. I think that we were just throwing a hissy fit and and we
got to fix. You know. Credit to the production company, they did
a great job accommodating our needs because we have a big foot in TV don't
really match very well, you know, we bigfoot stuff is. We like
it totally dark, but you know, literally without light, there is no
TV. That's what you see. You see lights, right, So yeah,
the first the first season was a little touch and go, you know,
like the one that the two that come to my mind right away.
And this is well documented out there, by the way, this is not
new news. It was the horse in Florida. At the very end,
Matten and Bobo see an upright figure. Yeah, they said they acted like
I just watched a big Foot walk away and not filmed it. It was
like, no, I quit filming it because it was a freaking horse.
Yeah, I turned sideways and and I believe the editors at the time are
pretty Somebody told me, well, we want to leave that up to the
audience's imagination, which is always the cop out with production companies. I find
it kind of sucks they do that. And basically they in my opinion,
they kind of lie and they say, well, you know, if they
believe it's their problem, like leaving it up to the viewer's decision or you
know opinion. That's not a good way to do it. I think that
reality TV should have some reality in it, you know. The other one,
of course, was the one night that I think I actually did see
a sasquatch, which kind of sucks, and we didn't film it in North
Carolina, the famous There's Something on the Hill like that episode. Yeah,
we watched that thing that I think was probably a sasquatch up on the hill
and then Matt takes off after it because he thought it was a person spying
on us for some reason at two in the morning, two miles off trail
or a mile and a half off trail, I don't know. But and
then they circled Matt going up the hill like he was the sasquatch, and
that seemed a little, you know, misleading, I think. So,
yeah, those are the two that jumped to my mind. There is one
more when we did the North Georgia episode when the production assistant named Georgia saw
what we moments later determined to be a bard owl in a tree, and
they filmed that whole sequence and they got you know, you guys out of
the car to go follow up on it. What they inserted in the final
edit of that episode is this like manlike thermal image in a color gradient,
whereas we were seeing it through black and white thermals. And so what ended
up in the final cut of that episode is not what any of us saw
on the thermals. And I can't remember if they ended up saying that,
like, yes, we did identify it as a bard out, but that's
absolutely what it was. But what you see in the episode is not what
was seen or filmed at that time. Because they're like, Boba, run,
get down there, it's done, and I was like all right,
So I started jumping down like a lot of poison ivy and scrambling down the
hill looking because I thought they really saw something that was legit and it was
No. That's when the trout pasta incident happened. When I ran down the
hill, yeah, because they were like, Bobo, you need to run
after it so we can find it and identify it. And you're like,
no, we've already identified it, and they were like yeah, with the
audience, they won't make sense to them unless you go run, and you
were like I ain't doing that. I ain't vakeing stuff. And finally be
Sha was like, look, man, I'll give you all the rest of
the trout pasta if you'll just go do this, and you were like all
right, and you did it. Yeah. So there were some growing pains
first season, you know, because you know, TV is you know,
shallow, superficial and a lot of times not not even real. So but
we wanted to make it as real as possible, so we threw hissy fits.
We were stubborn jerks, and eventually we kind of won out because the
show is a hit and Animal Planet wanted to keep it going. So Animal
Planet stepped in and fix it. So the producers who were more likely to
you know, fabricate things were dismissed. They were not on the show.
And over the next season or two or three, we basically trained the TV
producers to be pretty good bigfooters, you know, Natalie and Chad and even
man Tooth and those guys that they would all they would learn what we were
looking for in a real Bigfoot spot. Now, of course TV is not
real, you know. Just so everybody knows, we film things out of
orders. So when you watch a one hour episode. That seems like we
show up at a spot and then go do this, and because of this,
we have to go to this next spot, and because of that next
spot, we go to the next That's all out of order. That's not
true. That's television. That's how they piece things together, you know,
to make it seem like a storyline for the viewer, because there's a lot
of psychology and TV, and if you're watching something that jumps around and doesn't
follow a storyline, the viewers get lost and they don't engage in that sort
of thing. So none of that stuff is true. But with the Animal
Planet producers behind us, we made it so we were never asked to fabricat
anything online. We were I mean on screen. Rather, we were never
asked to lie, and we were asked can you say this? And I
remember several times like they were looking for a connection between stories, Cliff,
can you say this? I go no, I can't say that, because
that's not true. But I can't say this, And it turns out that's
better anyway. And then you know that kind of stuff. So se and
one. There were some growing pains between us and the production learning what the
other one needs to do. Their job, you know, and eventually the
production did bend our way. They did give us what we need for the
most part, within limits because they're making a TV show too. But if
we said it about a bigfoot thing, about a piece of evidence, about
what we heard or what we saw, after season one, I mean,
even season one, if we said it, it's true. And after season
one they stopped doing all that TV non sense and we made a good show,
probably the most real reality show that you're ever going to see pretty much.
I mean, that's what our producers say. You can go back and
listen to our producers on this very program, Bigfoot and Beyond. They say
that Finding Bigfoot was the most real reality show they ever worked on, and
that that is something that's something to be proud of in a way, you
know, for producing a reality reality TV might be the end of society for
all we know, like the quality of that stuff. But ours was pretty
good, not bad, not bad considering what we were up against. And
if we said it, you can take it to the bank. Except we
might be incorrect. You have to give us that one caveat. But we
didn't lie, and I think that's kind of cool. Yeah, I have
to say, I was really impressed, especially now with hindsight having worked on
other things. Like when we were doing the prep for that Georgia episode,
there was one siding that to get to the spot where it's Bobo and Matt
with this witness to interview them, and you had to cross the river and
it was over hip deep. And when we were going to scout the spot,
I'd been there many times, but I took Natalie the producer there and
she was like, oh, this is kind of rough, Like don't you
think we can just shoot it on this side of the river. And I
was like, I promise you the cast will not settle for faking it somewhere
nearby. They'll want to see the spot when they do the interview. And
she was just like, okay, well, I guess we better find somewhere
that has waiters and get everybody's waiter sizes. And we did. And so
they never tried to push like, oh, well we'll just shoot it behind
this parking lot here and say we're in the woods or whatever the case.
They tried. They tried, but when we said no, they didn't,
but they still try it though like we had. They still they still try
it all the time over the years, like, hey, can you know
it's gonna be a lot of work, just gonna We always said no,
We got a couple of times just said all right, because there's just gonna
be like way too much of a way, like huge housle for the camera
crew and take all night, all day and all that. But yeah,
we always just said we got it real spot, then it's it's just worthless.
Yeah, just an even got to the point where like as far as
like our demands of telling the truth. You remember that one episode, I
think it was in Kentucky or something like that, there was some product placement
I think for paid a candy bars. I remember specifically paid a Candy Bars,
and they said, Cliff, Okay, somebody is getting some money.
And it wasn't me, by the way. I didn't. I didn't get
paid anything for that, but somebody somewhere up the ladder, I guess,
probably got paid for having Payday candy bars in one of our episodes. So
they were they concocted this idea where I was going to go out and put
Payday candy bars in front of a game camera to see what we can get.
An I second, really I got to do that, that kind of
sucks. And I said, oh, well, you know, we'll just
put it out and then we'll film me picking it up the same day.
So no, no, no, no, if we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do this. And the producers let me leave it out there for
two or three days just to see if we get anything. So at least
we did even that for real. You know, that's the at least from
my perspective, that's something that's pretty cool that the production gave to us,
because a lot of other TV shows, I think from working on other productions
and stuff, would be more than happy just to fake it, put it
out, then pick it up ten minutes later, five minutes later, and
say that it was three days. But we really did do it two or
three days later. It was very eye opening to me what is real and
what's not on TV. But you know, we did our very very best
to keep our show as real as possible, and with the production company's help
and the network's help, we did. We did. We made a pretty
good, darn, pretty darn good show. And I think reality TV is
a terrible medium. I don't like reality TV. I don't like TV in
general. But our show was fun and entertaining, and we were I think
that we were pretty funny in a lot of ways, and the Bigfoot stuff
was real. I think that's cool. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. And in
keeping with defining Bigfoot theme, this the origin story has never really been told,
and so I thought this would be a great last question here and it
just came in today, So it was a last addition to be the cue
here. But I think it'd be for some good discussion that probably a lot
of listeners would love to hear. See. This one's from Alice Walton bao
Hey, Cliff and Bobo. I love the podcast. I was wondering how
did they approach you guys for finding Bigfoot? Who did they approach first?
Thanks? I think they got a hold of Moneymaker first through the VFRO.
No they didn't, because they didn't get a hold of money Maker first.
They got a hold of The first onst they got hold of was Bart,
and then Bart gave my network say, I guess they asked a few people
they're looking for me. I don't remember the exact details Now, then Matt
got because I know I gave him Matt's number, and they'd heard about Matt
from the previous show. He was on the Mysterious Encounters, So they were
kind of at a little hesitant on that one, but you know, they're
on board. Which they met him. They brought ten of us to Matt,
and Wally ended up paying for us all come down. Well, wallypaid,
Matt got organized ten of us to go down to Orange County and we
interviewed for him, and yeah, that's how it started. Yeah. The
story I got from the production company is Brad, one of the owners of
the production company, pitched a show to Discovery or actually all over the place,
but Discovery bit on it about Bigfoot, and I remember he told me
the pitch and everything. He says that I'm a child of this nineteen seventies.
I grew up in the nineteen seventies. Evil canebel is now dead,
Farah Fawcett is now dead. We got to do something about this bigfoot thing,
because those are the three things I remember about the seventies the most.
And they kind of bid on that. This was after Farah Faucet and Evele
died obviously, yeah, so, and then they bid on it. And
I was also told, I think the guy who in charge of casting told
me this that initially they got actors to do the part. Because most reality
shows, you know, if they're you know, saying they're experts and something,
most of them are just actors acting like it. That's how they get
these gigs or whatever. So initially they got actors to play the part parts
of the Bigfoot experts. But after maybe a few like test roles or whatever,
they decided, these guys don't know enough to do this. They don't
know very much, so why don't we just go plumb the Bigfoot community.
Maybe a couple of them will will you know, be you know, good
for the camera. And then they started poking around and doing stuff. I
know that for my part, I mean, I'm assuming they got my number
either from Matt or Bobo or they contacted me online, maybe through my blogs.
I had a really active blog at the time. Guy named Todd calls
me and that they were they're going to do a Bigfoot thing where no no,
no expense spared by land, sea and air and all this other hogwash.
Do I want to be a part of it? I said, well,
yeah, yeah, sure, that sounds cool. Yeah, okay,
well great, send me a resume about yourself, send me a couple of
test reels of you on camera doing some stuff, and there you go.
And then I didn't hear anything. I wasn't involved in that thing that Bobo
mentioned down at Wally's house. I was working at the time. I couldn't
get away, so yeah, I didn't. I didn't hear anything until the
following May. I think when Moneymaker calls me that says Cliff Cliff, good
news man, you got the spot, and I go, oh, that's
great. What are you talking about. He goes, oh, remember that
guy Todd that called He goes, oh, yeah, back in November.
That was real. He said, yeah, you got the spot. It's
me and you and Bobo and we're looking for a biologist. They got no
kidding, huh, And when are we shooting? And then the pilot was
filmed like the week after I got out of school, so it all kind
of lined up and there you go, man, that that's how it happened
for me, at least, not to brag, but I did tell him
I'm not doing it without Cliff, because they told me that here picked right
off the bat, I said, I'm not doing anything about Cliff because I
had I had offers from History Channel. Doug Hatchick wanted to do something with
these offered. He wanted to do a series, and then Bob Saget's company
wanted to do this serious. I was like, I got options, dude,
I don't do anything about Cliff because I know. I remember a couple
of years in I was talking to Marjorie the president and our main man,
Yeah, Keith Hoppin and Marjorie Kaplan. They said, I said, you
guys got to be happiest with Cliff. Now I'm sure, and he goes
he just smiled. I said, you're not going to hurt my feelings,
but you guys got to be both stoked on Cliff. He goes, yes,
we are. Well there you go. Now there you go, Alex.
There's there's a couple of perspectives on the origin of the entire TV show.
So there you go. I hope, I hope that's satisfied your curiosity.
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