WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.759 Your Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot Com and listeners like 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:17.359 you now, Kelly, fourteenth day of September. Yeah, it is September 3 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.120 twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. And 4 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.120 this might be the show you were looking for, because you're hearing me say 5 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.039 this anyway, you could be hearing me on the live stream. I'm a 6 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.719 couple of minutes late going to live but that's okay. If not, you 7 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.560 don't care. You're hearing the podcast, and who knows when you're listening to 8 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:38.240 it no matter what. Welcome. So it is Thor's Day, and I'm 9 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:42.840 happy to be here, especially because I've got two good friends with me that 10 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.079 are going to discuss something that's very important to me and has been in the 11 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:50.960 news past couple of days for sure. Now it could have been in the 12 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.719 news a lot, and it's going to be in the news some more as 13 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:59.079 we get toward November and the twenty second day. And there goes a loud, 14 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:00.679 loud vehicle going buy me of course right when I go to air, 15 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.000 too loud for me to muffle it. This is what happens when you broadcast 16 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.920 from home. Anyway, as we approach the twenty second day of November in 17 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.920 the sixtieth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. Yes, there are many relevant things 18 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.959 that are going to come up. It is what it is, and enough 19 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:22.400 out of me. I've got Alan Dale with me. If you don't know 20 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:27.000 Alan, I guess you're not really paying much attention to JFK literature. Yeah, 21 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.200 obviously don't know the community too well. You haven't read his book, 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.760 which is really excellent, his conversations with Malcolm Blunt, The Devil in the 23 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:41.280 Details. I guess you don't know Alan Dale. If you don't know Allen 24 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:46.959 Dale. But if you don't, you're missing out other side of the table, 25 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.159 so to speak, Larry Hancock. And if you're aware of my show, 26 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.959 then you know Larry Hancock, that's for sure. Also, he takes 27 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.799 up so many slots on my bookshelf, quite honestly, more than any other 28 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.959 author with good reason. So if you don't know Surprise Attack, and you 29 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.799 don't know Creating Chaos, and you don't know someone would have talked, and 30 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.680 you don't know I don't know all of his work on King Kennedy, etc. 31 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:14.400 I don't know what to tell you except welcome to the Internet and welcome 32 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:19.080 to discussions about political assassination. So let's get to them. And we're gonna 33 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.800 talk about a secret service agent coming out with a new book. It's not 34 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.759 quite out yet, but the media blitz has begun. And how do I 35 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:31.680 know this? Especially because already Gerald Posner is out there commenting online, and 36 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:39.240 already the script has been shared between many MSM assets because they all sound really 37 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:47.240 similar when they're interviewing. Paul Landis okay, who is Paul Landis? Well, 38 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:52.159 maybe I'll let Larry Hancock explain that. First off, Larry, how 39 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:53.759 are you doing tonight, sir? It's good to have you and it's good 40 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.520 for you to be back. I'm glad you're here this week because last week 41 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.919 you weren't feeling too well, so we we said, well, we'll do 42 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.000 it another time. We'll figure out what to do, and the news cycle 43 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.960 gave us exactly what to do next time. How are you tonight, sir? 44 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:09.879 I'm doing much better, Chuck, thank you, And yes we have 45 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:15.520 JFK back in the news. I can hardly stand it. You know, 46 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:20.599 they ignore us for decades and then here we are again. Well, and 47 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.639 you thought they would have paid some attention to the document releases and oh no 48 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:29.560 they're not not really not proper attention. But what else is old? Although 49 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.599 I gotta say, it's good to see Gary Agilar back on TV. It's 50 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.719 good to see Jefferson Moraley back on TV. It's good to see a lot 51 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:42.000 of people back on TV who should have been heard from a lot this year. 52 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.240 But you know what am I gonna say? And by the way, 53 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:51.800 where is Larry Hancock on TV? Anyway? Anyway, I love your lazy 54 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:54.599 I've always got to say that good Chuck. Like you said, I was 55 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:59.520 kind of getting afraid it would be November and they would miss us entirely on 56 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.319 the system sixtieth anniversary. Now they're trying to get it out of the way 57 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.919 early. Alan Dale, you know you do some podcasts. You do some 58 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.520 work. I mean some work. I'm really understating this, A lot of 59 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.160 stuff you do. Maybe not everybody knows everything you do, and I'm not 60 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.279 sure if you want to let everybody know everything you do, but you're wise 61 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:25.720 a lot of work behind the scenes. Yes, I'm glad you think so. 62 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.959 But anyway, Alan Pow, are you tonight, sir? I'm really 63 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:35.759 glad to grateful to you, as always honored to participate with my great teacher 64 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:46.519 Larry Hancock, privilege to represent with Larry the rational wing of the JFK research 65 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.680 community. It's the numbers are not overwhelming within our little group, but we 66 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:56.800 do save a lot on snacks. Listen, it doesn't cost that much if 67 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.160 we all go to a restaurant at once, exactly right, and one six 68 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.560 pack does it pretty much pretty much? You know. That's the crazy thing 69 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.639 is, as you know, nuts, as some people think I am on 70 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.600 a lot of things, I belong to the rational wing. I believe you. 71 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.199 Indeed, I may be a begrudging member to somebody or two, but 72 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.160 you know what, I know. I'm there because you know, you know 73 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:25.639 what is in evidence to your listeners. And I should think this is partly 74 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:32.879 responsible, responsible, partially responsible for the numbers of listeners who continue to participate 75 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:39.000 and support you. Listen to your programming. You're diverse programming because you do 76 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:43.720 a hell of a lot more than just JFK related or deep state related or 77 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.360 you know, covert related, and all of that is. You are not 78 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:57.839 paranoid, which is slightly uncommon in this realm, and you're not an ideologue 79 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:04.240 in terms of pushing what you believe is commonly accepted as a consensus. I 80 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:09.120 know you for years now. You and I've become very close. I consider 81 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.879 you a brother behind the scenes, and one of the things I love and 82 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:17.480 respect about you is that you are a critical thinker who is not invested so 83 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:28.560 much so exclusively nor primarily in your own certainties. And as per usual, 84 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:32.759 my much more civilized brother, as I have decided to call him, Yeah, 85 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:38.199 it's as though you know this is what happens. If I might have 86 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:42.160 been civilized, I might have been a more talented musician and much more eloquent, 87 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.360 just like Allan Dale. But then again, how many people could claim 88 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.360 that they could ever be anything like Allan Dale? Not too many. So 89 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.199 let's let's get to this though, because this is interesting Alan, and I 90 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.560 really am glad to have both of you along. I don't know where to 91 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:06.800 start. Should we start with the history of Paul Ales or should we begin 92 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:14.519 with what do you think I would? I have. One of my responsibilities 93 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:21.800 is to be aware of as much as I'm capable of being aware of, 94 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.439 so that I can explain it to people who are smarter than I am. 95 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.120 So I prepared two paragraphs for some of the people, a couple of the 96 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:38.199 people that I serve most closely, and uh, and this was within the 97 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:43.000 first twenty four hours. So I'm going to propose that you allow me to 98 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:47.480 read just what I wrote within the first twenty four hours, where already behind 99 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:57.040 the scenes, there was already there was already an animated discussion on email chain 100 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:03.560 among a number of people, some of whom I think are probably recognizable. 101 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.759 And here's what I wrote. I said, there's been a very animated dialogue 102 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:16.000 among many of our nations leading JFK researchers about this development. The discussion centers 103 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:22.680 around two distinct issues. The first concerns the story as presented by former United 104 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.959 States Secret Service agent Paul Landis, and whether there is sufficient evidence to support 105 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.480 or dispute the claim he is making in his soon to be published memoir The 106 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:39.519 Last Witness. On that issue, there is a consensus, this is twenty 107 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.159 four hours into the story. There is a consensus that we have zero supporting 108 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.600 corroborating, dependent or independent corroboration. The second issue is about the unusual circumstance 109 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:56.200 that The New York Times and Vanity Fair magazine, through journalists and historians with 110 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:03.720 national reputations, name recognition are writing about the JFK story in a way that 111 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.720 calls into question the conclusions of the Warren Commission. That makes this story unique. 112 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:15.679 That's how I begin. And you know, again having studied the literature 113 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.000 and coming into this a bit later than some others, I gotta say that 114 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:26.120 from Ray Marcus to John Hunt on CE three ninety nine, which is you 115 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.759 know, the magic bullet, every media outlet is now making them aware of 116 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:35.240 that out there. They then those that might have a passing interest, even 117 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.000 in the case, I'm glad to see that part of it. And you 118 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.679 know, this is a point of interest. This is practically the point of 119 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:48.399 interest, or at least it was for decades, and one would say this 120 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.279 is a good place to start. Larry, Is there anything you'd like to 121 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:58.879 add at this point? Yeah? I think that there probably is one other 122 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.840 thing that this is doing for us in the general media, and that is 123 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:09.559 waking the public up to something that we have known for decades now about the 124 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:16.960 lack of consistency in the official record. I mean, basically, what you 125 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.480 have to face here, what all these people are saying from you know, 126 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:28.200 mister Landis is there were Secret Service agents charged with the security and law enforcement 127 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:35.200 related to the president, charged with the crime scene who handled primary evidence related 128 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:41.000 to the assassination, yet did not put that in their reports, did not 129 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:48.279 their written reports, did not offer testimony on it to any of the following 130 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:56.600 investigations. And the mere fact that this is surfacing right now with headlines like 131 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:01.279 a raises questions about what we really know about the un the assassination is that's 132 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.840 good. It's just that we have known these same questions for decades. But 133 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:11.440 I in a way, that's good because mainstream media are saying things that we've 134 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.519 known from the very beginning, which was there's a whole lot of evidence lying 135 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.159 around that was mishandled and not recorded properly. Right to say nothing, to 136 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.759 say nothing of the fact that, as Larry points out, this aspect of 137 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:35.320 the context of the story is brand new news to people, even educated people 138 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:41.919 who simply have never bothered or never have been exposed to some of the more 139 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.279 pertinent aspects to the government's case against Lee Harvey Oswald, which of course was 140 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:54.879 dependent upon the FBI and the Warrant Commission's proclamation. So that is an important 141 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:01.600 aspect the headlines that are being generated, not just through the two outlets to 142 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.159 which I referred, Vanity Fair Magazine and The New York Times, which in 143 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:15.600 twenty twenty chose to pretend that a journalist who was a successful and respected national 144 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:22.360 journalism figure, Robert sam Anson, he died and nowhere in either the New 145 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:28.639 York Times nor the Washington Post obituaries. They actually did a profile piece in 146 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.159 the New York Times about Robert sam Anson. They pretended that he never wrote 147 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:39.279 a book in nineteen seventy five called They've Killed the President with a subtitle something 148 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:45.879 to the effect of searching for the Killers of JFK. So this does represent 149 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.639 a couple of different things. One is the point to which I referred that 150 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.159 it's very is it meaningful in terms of a paradigm shift, that maybe the 151 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.799 old guard has died off the less guard, the new guard is less guarded 152 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.600 about this, you know, the sacred their sacred duty to defend the Warren 153 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:13.240 Commission and to pretend that there are no controversial issues to a new generation of 154 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:20.000 people who if exposed to the things to which Larry referred, things about which 155 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.960 we've been concerning ourselves and been aware for many decades. Then maybe it is 156 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:30.519 a new era. I understand all this, and I would say that, 157 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:35.399 you know, again, I look at it and wonder exactly what is the 158 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:41.399 purpose of this though, I mean, I can get from the personal aspect 159 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.279 of this. The ghostwriter there that has now appeared with him a few times, 160 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.000 mister Larry on some of the programs. I understand their motivations. I 161 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.159 understand their desires to tell this story. But here we go again, folks. 162 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:01.039 Okay, the problem that okay, for years and years, what was 163 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.440 the complaint? Well, you conspiracy theorists, you want to talk about this 164 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.559 bullet on a stretcher and how it got there, And this has nothing to 165 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.879 do with anything. It doesn't change the fact that only three shots were fired. 166 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.360 And you know which which arguments I'm about to advocate here already, right 167 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.240 and and and here it comes. And I'm not advocating them personally. I'm 168 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.960 just playing the role, folks, so you know, but but here we 169 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.519 go. Uh and we were talking about, well, ge, you know 170 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.679 what, it was discovered on a stretcher. At a certain point a guy 171 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.720 claimed he found it. We believed his testimony, maybe some of us did, 172 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.840 some of us didn't clink up against the metal part of what everybody calls 173 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.879 a stretcher, but it's a transport, uh, you know, in the 174 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:52.120 hospital. And did a maintenance man discover it? And you, you the 175 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.320 listener, can go and explore all this yourselves. I'm not going to belabor 176 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.080 this discussion with a complete accounting of it, but the point is that I 177 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.159 came to a conclusion at a certain point, and a lot of people did 178 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:09.120 that perhaps this thing showed up on the wrong stretcher entirely because there was a 179 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:15.799 kid there named I think Ronald Fuller who was injured and had also been there 180 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:20.679 same day Kennedy and Connolly went to two different trauma rooms. We have been 181 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.600 treated to discussions about the two different trauma teams that had to attend to both 182 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.919 the governor and the president, all these things going on. I find it 183 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:37.919 fascinating that somebody now says, well, I found this thing in the seat. 184 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.039 I mean, I hate to cut down his account because I could play 185 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.840 it if you guys want to sit and listen to part of it. And 186 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.720 Tapper beginning to set him up and let him tell his story on CNN if 187 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.039 you like, And the story is now consistent across the media platforms. Okay, 188 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.039 but a story that was never entered. I find it difficult to believe 189 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.600 that, even though Landis all so says he never looked at the literature and 190 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.240 all that. It sounds very much like some other Secret Service agents stories, 191 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:14.240 almost adapted from somebody else's. I'm throwing out a lot of supposition here. 192 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.559 Why because there's a lot that could be drawn from all this if you look 193 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:26.240 at the entire arc, Okay, the entire story arc as it has come 194 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.480 out over the years, and even the tour there that went on with the 195 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:36.919 Kennedy detail, Jerry Blaine's book, and the involvements of other Secret Service agents. 196 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:42.039 Even Landis himself looking a bit different in a documentary around that time and 197 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.120 a couple of interviews. I don't think he was on all of them, 198 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.000 but he was available in a couple of them where they tried to like reunite 199 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:57.639 everybody, and he never told this story during that time on that topic, 200 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.720 and allude to a guy who is a generous archivist apart from whatever else he 201 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.640 is in relation to the study of these complex issues, a guy named David 202 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:18.440 von Payne. I believe his pronunciation pei N. He's walking encyclopedia about the 203 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:25.839 media coverage of these areas that we're interested in pertaining the JFK story for clarity 204 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.359 years ago, he corrected me, and it's bon Pine, even though it's 205 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.720 spelled yeah. But even though it's spelled like pei N, I think and 206 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:44.000 her, Yes, that's right. So he contributed recently a clip a clipping 207 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.880 from the Sunday, November twentieth, nineteen eighty three, the Shockton Tribune, 208 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:56.799 because Shockton is a small city in Ohio. It's between Columbus Ish and akron 209 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:03.920 Ish and it's a small paper covering that region. And here's the headline. 210 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:11.759 Ex Secret Service agent witnessed assassination during the course of this article that was exclusively 211 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:21.119 about mister Landis, his experiences, trauma, his retirement from the Secret Service. 212 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:26.279 I think six months or so after the assassination, something like that. 213 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:37.000 But the relevant part is what follows here. He says. As the motorcade 214 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.240 sped to Parkland Memorial Hospital, Landis said he and other agents with him were 215 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.599 in a state of disbelief. Quote I don't know if anything really sank in 216 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.559 at that point. Close quote he said they wondered if there might be some 217 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:55.079 conspiracy against the government and its top officials, and hoped against hope that the 218 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:59.960 president's wound might not wounds might not be as serious as at first appeared. 219 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.680 Landis said that when he got to the Kennedy limousine outside the hospital, the 220 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.720 president had already been taken inside, but he helped Missus Kennedy out. He 221 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.880 said, there was a bullet fragment on the top of the back seat, 222 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.519 and he picked up that. He picked up and gave to somebody. He 223 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.880 said. He and Hill, meaning Special Secret Service Agent Clan Hill, were 224 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.720 among those who stayed with Missus Kennedy while doctors tried in vain to save her 225 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:37.920 husband. So the reference from November twentieth of nineteen eighty three covers the moment 226 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:45.200 that is, you know, the big attention getting headline producing. Just today 227 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:55.119 I saw a headline from the Philadelphia Enquirer, why a JFK murder bombshell landed 228 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.200 with a thud? Will in the Will Bunch newsletter landed with a thud? 229 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:11.480 And this other one and I think is worth sharing. A new JFK assassination 230 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:18.440 revelation could up end the long held lone gunman theory. So you know it's 231 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:25.160 it's a subject that is being examined and it's not just a national story. 232 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:33.759 The British news outlet Daily Mail thanks to someone within the JFK reach research community 233 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:45.119 and not certain who discovered references to and here's the headline from today, Thursday, 234 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:51.240 September fourteenth, twenty twenty three. JFK assassination nurse says she saw the 235 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:56.200 pristine bullet. Secret Service agent Paul Landis now claims he retrieved from the limo 236 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:02.160 and placed on stretcher, up ending the magic bullet. Phyllis Hall previously said 237 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.240 she had she saw a bullet sitting on Kennedy's stretcher. That backs up a 238 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.759 new eyewitness claim by secret Service agent who says he saw he set the bullet 239 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.839 there Atlandis eighty eight, broke his silence after sixty years with the bomb show 240 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:25.799 claim and plans to write a book about his experience. Okay, now that 241 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.359 is interesting, and I'd like to go to Larry on this next. Okay, 242 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.720 and with good reason, because Larry, to me, is the lord 243 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:41.359 of context. It comes to these. Larry, just from your memory alone, 244 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:49.039 I'm sure you can recall a great many firsthand witnesses at Parkland Hospital who 245 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:55.480 have made various different claims. They were certainly there. We do believe they 246 00:21:55.480 --> 00:22:00.279 were there always, not always, but almost always legitimate witnesses, many of 247 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:07.200 them at Parkland Hospital, who have had varied accounts about where a bullet might 248 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.440 have been. I even once saw an article proposed. I don't know if 249 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:17.200 it was ever published, but I saw a rough draft of it trying to 250 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.359 show the various locations where a bullet was sited at Parkland Hospital. Again, 251 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.279 I don't recall if that was published, but maybe you do, Larry, 252 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.559 and maybe, yeah, recall other accounts. Go ahead, Hey, yeah, 253 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:34.000 Then there have been interviews dating back, oh, I would say at 254 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:40.480 least to the nineties, probably a little bit earlier, of multiple people, 255 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.440 as you say, Chuck, who who saw bullets? Who who saw bullets 256 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.920 being handled. One of the one of the problems we have all with this 257 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.200 whole story, I think, is everyone, or many people seemed to be 258 00:22:52.240 --> 00:23:00.319 assuming that the bullet that's been talked about in this most recent revolution revelation might 259 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:06.839 be the magic bullet CEE three ninety nine. However, that is pure supposition. 260 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.599 We don't know that it's not a different bullet at this count. Yes, 261 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:17.880 we have people that saw bullets on multiple stretchers. I think the most 262 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:23.079 interesting thing is some of the interviews that I've personally seen that seemed to be 263 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.559 the most striking, and we're conducted a long time ago. I mean, 264 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:33.920 this is really late in the game to get anything reliable from a witness very 265 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:41.519 specifically talked about and described a rifle bullet, a shooting bullet, not a 266 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.279 not a carcano type bullet, a bullet with a sharp nose, and this 267 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.599 is this is different there, We're talking about different bullets. So I guess 268 00:23:51.640 --> 00:24:00.359 my response really is if what pains me is that a ghostwriter and a publisher 269 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:07.160 are going to come out and bring out a book about the Landis experience, 270 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.720 and this is going to be done by interviewing someone who is of a significant 271 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:18.000 age, who is going to be saying things to support that book. I'm 272 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.640 not saying that he doesn't believe them, but you're talking about a ghostwriter who's 273 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:30.960 developing a story around this person for publication decades after the fact, when nobody 274 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:37.880 was around to do a story, a book, a decent investigative journalism from 275 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:42.200 the mainstream media about all these other people. I mean people that saw bullets 276 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:47.839 picked up out of the floor of the limo, that saw fragments taken out 277 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:52.079 of the floor of the limo. People other people who said, oh yeah, 278 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:57.400 we were with the president's cart at the White House garage when it was 279 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:02.720 brought back, and we found things and we put them in envelopes and we 280 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:10.160 sent them over to Bethesta. They refused me about none of these people on 281 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.359 the law enforcement side. Is they all appear to be like mister Landis. 282 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:21.880 They're all secret service agents or officials, and they just pick up things and 283 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:26.640 they send them off to wherever, and they disappear from the record. That's 284 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.799 the thing that troubles the story. The headline, I would more likely say 285 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:38.400 is investigation of Kennedy assassination screwed in the beginning. You know, I quite 286 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:45.640 plan. How can you have How can you believe anything when nobody is treating 287 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.720 evidence as evidence and about half of it never seems to make it into the 288 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.440 official record. Well there is the brass tax key of it. Uh, 289 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:59.400 you know, here we go. You know, I'm thinking to myself, 290 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.039 well, did any buddy asked the guy who had the sponge and bucket or 291 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.079 rag and bucket if he had kept any bullet fragments because there was a guy 292 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.920 there trying to clean it up. We know that. Did anybody ask? 293 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.799 And here we go again forensically right, if you're talking about the collection of 294 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.880 evidence. In the decades afterwards, people got treated to this on television through 295 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:26.720 CSI shows of all sorts, crime scene investigations, etc. Etc. And 296 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.319 some people who do that for a living have examined this case. One thing 297 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.519 you got to say is that with all these different accounts and possibilities going on, 298 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:44.440 you have nobody seemingly accurately collecting carefully the evidence in the immediate aftermath the 299 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.960 rolling climb scene, that is, the limo is not being treated as a 300 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:53.200 crime scene, you know. And odd thing too is that you know, 301 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:59.799 also Alan, when you were reading that account about him encountering missus Kennedy in 302 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.720 the immediate aftermath, well that's changed now too, because he has repeated a 303 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.920 few times in these recent interviews about a scene and her trying to cover his 304 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.240 head and all these other things. Well, according to what you just said, 305 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.680 he had already been taken away, so she couldn't be covering his head, 306 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:22.400 and he's taken away there is clear contradiction just there. Yeah, contradictions 307 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:29.559 everywhere we look, and that's that is part for the proverbial course. I 308 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:37.359 think Glary made typical astute observation, drawing attention to the minutia about what is 309 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.400 being discussed in terms of the physical description of a bullet, an intact bullet 310 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:51.599 largely not deformed, that really does not resemble the ammunition attributed to that, 311 00:27:51.599 --> 00:28:00.000 that Italian made rifle that is the government's you know, commission exhibit super super 312 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.640 basic layman's terms. There are accounts of a bullet with a pointy tip. 313 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.880 The CE three ninety nine has a rounded tip. In case you have never 314 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:12.240 seen it or never bothered to look at it, not you Allen, not 315 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:18.440 you Larry, but you know somebody else listening a totally different bullet one that 316 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:23.039 would be more attributable to a hunting rifle with a pointy tip. Okay, 317 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:30.400 there are multiple accounts of that, including by the individual who allegedly collected the 318 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.519 thing in the first place at the hospital, which would be a maintenance worker 319 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.000 who handed it over to his boss. I mean, I'm giving a very 320 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:44.160 cursory explanation of something that has been documented by more than one person in multiple 321 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.960 interviews about how CE three ninety nine allegedly comes into existence. And by the 322 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:53.000 way, CE three ninety nine stands for commission exhibit. It actually had an 323 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.000 FBI exhibit number before that, I believe, and then was given a commission 324 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.319 exhibit number, and it so happened. The magic bullet is CE three ninety 325 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.599 nine. And again the magic bullet is a name that comes out later because 326 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.440 of the idea. And they explain this in all the media pieces, almost 327 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.839 again seeming to read off of the same script that here's the way the bullet 328 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.720 traveled. Here's what happened. It passes through Kennedy, goes into Connolly, 329 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.359 comes back out of Connolly, goes back into Connolly, etcetera, etcetera. 330 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.759 And now is on the wrong seat, by the way, because if it 331 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.440 went through Connolly, are you telling me this thing jumped back behind Connolly afterwards? 332 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.279 Little interesting? And also for many years people have been trying to figure 333 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:40.480 out whether it fell out of his leg or was in his clothes, trapped, 334 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:45.200 etc. Because it was alleged to have fallen onto his stretcher for a 335 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.359 long time and seems to have terminated its trajectory, making its final wound in 336 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.519 a almost superficial manner in Governor Connolly's leg. Now, I don't think I've 337 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:02.519 been unfair in this really quick time description. I've been limited, but I 338 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.160 haven't been unfair in describing this alan am I Or is there something wrong with 339 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.880 not at all? No. The point with regard to us taking in whatever 340 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.720 this new thing is and finding the means by which we can differentiate between what 341 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.839 is persuasive about the story that is being represented to us and what is not 342 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.240 includes a new model in terms of the forensics, and the new model would 343 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:37.680 be that one this is conjecture in the context of the new bit of the 344 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:45.440 new claim. One model is that there was a misfire of some kind from 345 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:52.359 behind President Kennedy which struck him in the back and left a shallow wound, 346 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:59.319 an oblong shallow wound, and did not penetrate, did not hit him in 347 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.799 the back of the net, did not exit the front of his throat, 348 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:08.079 and did not do all of those additional wounds into Governor Connolly's body, but 349 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.119 rather got sort of just tangled up. And maybe that the bullet to which 350 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:19.400 mister Landis is referring could conceivably be that that it had an insufficient charge because 351 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.279 of something that was not right about the bullet or about the firing mechanism, 352 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:30.119 or whatever is involved in that. The other factor here is now, or 353 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:37.680 at least another factor, is that the nurse to whom I referred in the 354 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:47.880 British article becomes a little bit more interesting than some other kinds of corroboration or 355 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:56.680 alleged corroboration, because she was interviewed ten years ago. So quoting from this 356 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:07.839 article from the Daily Mail, the prior eyewitness testimony of a nurse president in 357 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.359 the emergency room after President Kennedy was fatally shot in nineteen sixty three seems to 358 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:19.759 corroborate a former Secret Service agent's bombshell new claim. In short, he claimed 359 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.839 to have picked up a nearly pristine fired bullet from the backseat of the limousine 360 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.200 where Kennedy was shot, placed it on the president's hospital stretcher to serve as 361 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:38.680 evidence. Several interviews given by nurse Phyllis J. Hall in twenty thirteen seemed 362 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:45.200 to corroborate Landis's fresh claim quote on the cart, halfway between the earlobe and 363 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.599 the shoulder, there was a bullet laying almost perpendicular there. But I have 364 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.519 not seen a picture of the bullet ever, she told the Telegraph almost ten 365 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:58.319 years ago. Separately, she told the Sunday Mirror also ten years ago fiftieth 366 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.039 anniversary, I could see a bullet lodged between his ear and his shoulder. 367 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.839 It was pointed at its tip and showed no signs of damage. I remember 368 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.960 looking at it. There was no blunting of the bullet or scarring around the 369 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.880 shell from where it had been fired. I had a great deal, she 370 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.440 goes on. She continues, I'd had a great deal of experience working with 371 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.480 gunshot wounds, but I had never seen anything like this before. It was 372 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.240 about one and a half inches long, nothing like the bullets that were later 373 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.599 produced. It was taken away, but never have I seen it presented in 374 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:38.319 evidence or heard what happened to it. It remains a mystery. And so 375 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:45.200 that's an interesting little part of these pieces that are being presented to us. 376 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.640 Well for a couple of reasons, Alan because immediately, first of all, 377 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.039 we're now dealing with a pointed bullet again, which cannot possibly be ce three 378 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:58.640 ninety nine if she is accurate in her memory. Also, Land talks about 379 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:05.200 placing this bullet. Hear his feet, So unless you're telling me, this 380 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.599 thing rolled all the way up to his head and found itself around his neck 381 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:19.800 and head where surgeons were working attempting to do different things. Life saving measures 382 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.639 were being taken, including a tracheotomy right in that area. You would think 383 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:30.400 it's right there. There's doctors should be standing around there. Other people may 384 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.280 be trying to assist them as well. I have a little problem with her 385 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.760 Lina's sight. And also now the bullet has gone from his well, from 386 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.039 his toes to his head, you know, and he's supposed to be lying 387 00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:52.480 virtually lifeless, to say nothing of the disparity between what mister Landis claimed in 388 00:34:52.639 --> 00:35:00.199 referring to a bullet fragment back in nineteen eighty three, which is not the 389 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:07.199 same as a nearly pristine bullet that was picked up in its entirety. There's 390 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.760 one brief other thing that I can share with you and Larry, and this 391 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:19.519 comes from doctor Randy Robertson, with whom I've worked on occasional articles on the 392 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.719 aa ARC library dot org website. This one is from a couple of years 393 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.880 ago. Really quick, Allen Alan, could you could you just make sure 394 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.480 to tell people a little more about Randy Robertson real fast, like some of 395 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.440 the stuff that he is presented about Wesson. He's an a an Assassination Archives 396 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:46.800 Research Center board member. He's one of the only civilian physicians who's been allowed 397 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:54.920 to examine forensic materials that are relevant to the kind of stuff that our dear 398 00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.760 brother Pat Spear and doctor David Mantik and doctor Aguilar, others who have small 399 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.599 number of people who have gone to the National Archives and given special permission to 400 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.559 do this. And doctor Robertson to someone who has participated, has been a 401 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:19.840 visible medical professional and an expert on in his areas of expertise for many, 402 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.239 many many years within the JFK research community. Absolutely thank you. He brought 403 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.320 something to me, certainly, and I put it up. We put it 404 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.360 up in combination with something else that will allude to very briefly. But the 405 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:40.199 headline for this article at the AARC library dot org website is White House Physician 406 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:50.679 Autopsy Eyewitness questions President Ford about missing bullet in December of two thousand and one. 407 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.599 In January of two thousand and two, during an interview with US Navy 408 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.599 Bureau of medicine and surgery historians. Doctor James Young, a physician who had 409 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:06.840 worked White House physician Admiral George Berkeley. Berkeley was President Kennedy's military physician. 410 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.480 He was with He's the only person who was at He was in the motorcade, 411 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.320 he was at Parkland Hospital, he was on Air Force one, and 412 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:22.920 he was in the room during the autopsy. Guess how often he was interviewed 413 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.800 by the Warren Commission. That's a trick question. He wasn't, wasn't, 414 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:36.239 so to continue. Doctor James Young, a physician who worked with White House 415 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.840 physician Admiral George Berkeley during the Kennedy administration, related that during the autopsy, 416 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:46.880 he had been given a bullet in an envelope by White House Medical Corpsman Chief 417 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:53.159 Petty Officer Thomas Mills after the return from the White House. After a return 418 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:59.440 after his return, I'm sorry, this is an unusual format for me to 419 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:04.079 read. It's English, goes from left to right. Take your time, 420 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.559 that's all right. After his return, meaning after Petty Officer Thomas Mills return 421 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.039 from the White House garage to retrieve skull fragments from the rear of the limousine, 422 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:21.199 Young described this bullet as jacketed straight but with a bent tip, and 423 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.880 visually close in diameter to CE three ninety nine, which he estimated to be 424 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.960 one half centimeter. Doctor Young voiced his concerns to the interviewers that he had 425 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.039 never seen any reference to it in Warren Commission investigation files. The last thing 426 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.119 he remembers is that he gave the envelope another envelope larry being given to someone 427 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:45.880 else. He gave the envelope containing the bullet with the bent tip to doctor 428 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.679 Humes, the head autopsy pathologist, and the bullet was never seen or documented 429 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:57.719 after that. And it goes on and on and In an interview from two 430 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.159 thousand and one December two thousand one, doctor Young said that he had initially 431 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:07.320 contacted White House Corpsman Chief Petty Officer Mills by telephone, and Mills confirmed his 432 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.320 recollection. Navy historians called Mills in an effort to verify doctor Young's claims. 433 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:17.760 Mills told historian Jan Herman or Jan Herman that he remembered the event, but 434 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.519 when pressed for details, Mills stated that he didn't want to talk about it, 435 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.599 even after the historians notified him that they represented the United States Navy Bureau 436 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:32.519 of Medical and Surgery Office of Medical History. Significantly, Mills did not repudiate 437 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:39.199 doctor Young's claim, something that might have been expected if Young had fabricated the 438 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:45.679 episode and falsely implicated Mills in the process. Doctor Robertson meaning Randy Robertson, 439 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.599 then contacted Navy interviewer Jan Herman, who informed him that the interview with Mills 440 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:55.599 had not been taped, but that mills tone of voice changed perceptibly when pressed 441 00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.079 for details on the episode. Herman also vividly remembered the Young interview because of 442 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.639 After having the tapes transcribed, Doctor Young then adamantly refused to sign the release 443 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.320 form for the Navy to use them. In the hundreds of oral history interviews 444 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.440 that Herman had conducted, doctor Young was the only one who had refused to 445 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:24.639 sign such a release, which leads very elegantly into a brief article that I 446 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.199 connected a piggybacked on this one on same page the missing physician, the Warrant 447 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:36.159 Commission was faced with contradictions in the medical evidence. Parkland Hospital doctors who treated 448 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.400 the mortally wounded President described an entrance wound in the throat large occybital rear word, 449 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:46.360 wound in Kennedy's head, etc. One man was best suited to address 450 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.199 these conflicting accounts, the President's personal physician, doctor George Berkeley. Berkeley road 451 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.639 in the motorcade, was President Parkland Hospital, road Air Force one to Washington 452 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.320 with the body, and was present at the autopsy. He signed the White 453 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.840 House death certificate, wrote verified on a face sheet created during the autopsy, 454 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.440 and took physical possession of JFK's brain and tissue slides the Warrant Commission. The 455 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:17.440 Warrant Commission never interviewed him. To make a long story short, questions abound 456 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.960 about Berkeley's handling of the now missing brain of JFK, his role at the 457 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.519 autopsy, and his involvement in the nineteen sixty five transfer of autopsy materials to 458 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.320 the Kennedy family's hands for reburrow, by the way were for burial. Did 459 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:38.239 the Warrant Commission and HCA HSCA avoid Berkeley because they were afraid of what he 460 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.400 would say. In a nineteen sixty seven oral history, General Berkeley was asked 461 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.239 whether he agreed with the Warrent Commission's view on the number of shots. Berkeley 462 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.920 replied, and I quote I would not care to be quoted on that close 463 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:58.360 quote. That's it. We should probably also note that Admiral Berkeley also contacted 464 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:05.559 the HSCA specifically to offer them information that would be suggest that there was not 465 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.440 a single shooter, and that was unfortunately during the transition of the hsc laid 466 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:16.920 leadership, and no one responded to that offer, right that point, good 467 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.760 point, good point. So that was a lost opportunity. And when people 468 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:28.039 finally did recontact him, he refused the lawyer who I think he had passed 469 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.239 away, and the family, through their lawyers, said no, they were 470 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:36.440 not interested in discussion about this subject. Right. So, but I think 471 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.199 this leads to something that really needs to be said. That because it's it's 472 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:45.360 been brought up over the last couple of days, one can understand how, 473 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:51.199 you know, a year later, ten years later, twenty years later, 474 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.880 when it became apparent to a lot of people that the full story had not 475 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.280 been offered evidence. I mean, we've talked to any number of people that 476 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.840 basically were the attitude, you know, this is not what I saw, 477 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.159 this is not what I heard the fixes in I better keep my mouth shut. 478 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.400 I mean that, so you can understand why people after the fact would 479 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.320 hesitate the buck the story. But I will make the point that at two 480 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.519 o'clock on the afternoon of November twenty second, that wasn't what was going on. 481 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:31.719 There's absolutely no indication and no reason. There's no story in place at 482 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.159 that point in time. There is no lone nut shooter. There's nobody in 483 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.880 custody that it's a matter of collecting evidence in a crime. You know. 484 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.000 So for the first twenty four hours, certainly for the first few hours the 485 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:52.519 verse twenty four hours, the thought that somebody would not put something into evidence, 486 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.360 that they wouldn't show it to their boss, they wouldn't put in an 487 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.800 envelope and put their initials on it. They they wouldn't put it in their 488 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.920 report. I'm let's let's say I'm a secret service agent and under the trauma 489 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.360 of the moment, I do something really stupid. I pick up a bullet 490 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.119 and I put it on a stretcher, and you know, a couple of 491 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.559 hours later, I'm going, oh, jeezus, violates everything that we've been 492 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.840 told. I shouldn't have done that. But I get to write a report, 493 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.639 and I could acknowledge that in my report, but I don't it's that 494 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.800 because I'm just embarrassed. But pressure, pressure when this is going on, 495 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:37.800 that what you just talked about alan a Navy person who picks up something, 496 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:43.639 a secret Service person who picks up something, there is no reason why that 497 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.639 should not have been handled as evidence and that there shouldn't be a trail that 498 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:53.280 this thought of it I gave it to someone is just ridiculous. Well, 499 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:59.679 okay, So despite the fact that doctor Robertson you know, did more due 500 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.159 Deli gents than any of the staff of any of the talking heads that decided 501 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.280 to interview Paul Land as you know, in the past week or so on 502 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:14.159 the major corporate outlets in America at the very least. I haven't observed all 503 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.320 of the British press just yet, but I'll get there anyway. Despite the 504 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.519 fact that he did that, and there seems to be more envelopes traveling around 505 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.000 than on a busy weekend in the Italian section of Jersey City, Okay, 506 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.599 with numbers not on them or on them, depending on who you listen to. 507 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.079 Despite the fact that all that's happening, and the idea that quite honestly, 508 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:44.920 I'm watching the reaction, I'm watching people responsible intelligent people and also Gerald 509 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:51.679 Posner make you know, statements out there giving you the way to interpret this 510 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.960 information and ways to interpret what this means, what this could mean, and 511 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.559 what this changes or does not change it. Again, like most things in 512 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:07.559 the media, in discussion, in the various alleys of interest that people like 513 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.920 to bowl down intellectually. You know what very interesting that we have a roar 514 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:19.400 shock test again, because some people are saying, this is verification of the 515 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:25.320 magic bullet theory, This is vindication of the Oswald did it alone scenario. 516 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.159 This is showing the contradictions and the record, This is showing that clearly there 517 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.159 was more than one shooter. All of these things that people are drawing conclusions 518 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:42.559 from. Again, I believe, and this is not to contradict a lot 519 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:47.440 of people who are smarter and many a specified area in the assassination than I 520 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.639 could possibly be, because they're doctors, they're lawyers, they are in fact 521 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.880 former law enforcement people that were trained specifically to collect evidence, and they might 522 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.519 be out there making statements right now, handing analysis to other people in the 523 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.360 media, people like Jefferson Morley, who's an excellent writer, who as somebody 524 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.880 who is a journalist understands those concepts might be handing it to somebody else to 525 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.920 help them out, to assist them in their analysis. Here's the thing, 526 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:24.360 it's very hard to determine based on simply Landis's account and the official story what's 527 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:29.880 actually happened here. There are contradictions no matter what direction you go in, 528 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.000 and I'm curious, you know, I sort of want to go to the 529 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:39.480 unfair question real early right here for both of you. And it's unfair question 530 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.679 that I'm going to ask each of you individually here if you don't mind, 531 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.199 and you, guys, take all the time you want, because I really 532 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:51.039 don't want to offer a supposition on this all. I've offered a few points 533 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.239 of contention and things to consider. I do have my opinion on this, 534 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.760 but you might already I guess I have a tell when it comes to this 535 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:01.440 or ready, I don't want to go there. I want to hear from 536 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:07.480 you, guys, because again, it will be much more considered and measured 537 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.639 than something that might come out of my mouth at this point, because I 538 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.159 have a very short answer to it, and I don't want to do it 539 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.280 just yet. I actually Larry you want to ask more. I'm sorry go 540 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.800 ahead, Chuck, Well, I want to know, well, yeah, 541 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:24.280 would you You're you're offering Larry to go first, are you? Yeah? 542 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.280 Yeah, Well I want to find out which way he goes, and then 543 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.159 I'll take the opposite position, you know, because that makes good television. 544 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.480 There you go. There you thought Alan was going to point me in the 545 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:38.320 direction of the bus so I could jump under it. But nice, No, 546 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:44.960 I think there's a very I think you've stated alright, Chuck. What 547 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.000 I'm very tired of at this point in time is that everyone is looking to 548 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.280 validate their position. And and you know, that's a human instinct. It's 549 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.039 kind of like anything that you comes up it, you know, does it 550 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.039 help me? Does it hurt me? And then I'm going to take my 551 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:10.400 position accordingly to me. This tells us just one thing, and it's absolutely 552 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:17.639 nothing new. What it tells us is that we cannot trust the evidentiary record. 553 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:24.320 I mean, what it tells us if we believe one everything that mister 554 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.599 Landis says. It didn't really tell us about the bullet, about the shooting, 555 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:35.320 about which bullet it was. It doesn't tell us any of that. 556 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.440 There are too many inconsistencies. What it does tell us, is that a 557 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:47.440 Secret Service agent admits that he mishandled evidence which we can't trace through any paper 558 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:53.039 trail. We can't identify it, And that just keeps opening the door one 559 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:59.840 more time to the fact that people made the Warrant Commission reached a conclusion, 560 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:06.480 the House Let Committee reached to conclusion that any conclusions that were reached were based 561 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.639 on insufficient and questionable evidence. To me, that's all it tells us, 562 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:16.280 not that we haven't known this, but now we've just been told again well, 563 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:20.679 based on and by a Secret Service agent. No less. Okay, 564 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.199 yes, based on your awareness of the documentary evidence as it stands and as 565 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.079 we know it, and there is plenty regarding the Secret Service that is available 566 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.800 to us at this time. Is there any corroboration that you recall for any 567 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.159 of this story that he's telling now in the documentary evidence? In other words, 568 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.960 is there a report, Is there a sighting of this by someone else 569 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.599 in the official record, someone else who was taking notes, someone else who 570 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:53.239 was taking accounts, anyone else that we know of that could corroborate some part 571 00:50:53.280 --> 00:51:00.360 of this or no? Okay, Not only is there no documentary an ans 572 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.119 one of the things that I've been asking people for, and Alan brought it 573 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.599 up to a certain extent because Landis's story is inconsistent in terms of Jackie and 574 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:15.880 the President's body. I would like to see some photographs of the presidential limousine 575 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:21.800 with Landis at it in it, looking around in the backseat. You know, 576 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.280 We've got a whole bunch of photographs that were taken with park at Parkland, 577 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.320 because the photographers were there pretty much as soon as anybody else was and 578 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.760 film. So I'm not sure we can even place him. I'm not sure 579 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:43.239 what part that we can photographically or from other agents verify either. I think 580 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.760 that's still an open question. Okay, So with regard to my perception, 581 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:58.519 there's nothing that I could add that would improve upon Larry's fundamental understanding of what 582 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:04.800 is at work in terms of how we deal with this stuff as it's being 583 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:12.000 developed and imposed upon us. First thought is that because I saw and enjoyed 584 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.079 a movie about the amazing Kreskin, I'm going to go out on a limb 585 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.119 and say, probably, Chuck, you and I feel the same, and 586 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.840 that if we had to press a button, because we're conditioned to think that 587 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.320 we live in a binary universe where it has to be all yes or all 588 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:37.000 no. I would press the no button, But I also would emphasize that 589 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:46.360 it is premature. Only really silly people would be absolutely adamant because they want 590 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:52.199 it to be either true or false, and so the rest of us don't 591 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.800 have to be fanatical in that way. We don't have to be a zealot. 592 00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.800 We don't have to be fundamentalistic in the service to some kind of religious 593 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:06.679 imperative that this thing has to help us prove that Oswald did it by himself, 594 00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.280 where it has to help us prove that there were multiple gunmen, many 595 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.920 of us would would fit comfortably with the conceit that we already know that there 596 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.320 was more than one gunman, and we don't really need this, uh, 597 00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:29.079 you know, to prove anything to us. But the fervor with which this 598 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:35.159 story is being debated right now is premature. We just learned about the whole 599 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.440 thing. Everything we have to work with. We we've just been introduced to 600 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:44.280 it. We're still examining things. I'm aware of some action that's going on 601 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.599 by some people whose names are familiar to all of us behind the scenes in 602 00:53:47.679 --> 00:54:04.119 terms of examining, you know, examining relevance his things, and it's too 603 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.039 early to make an absolute declaration. What we can say is that if it 604 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:14.400 should turn out that there's a grain of truth to this, maybe something similar 605 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:19.880 that very much might resemble what mister Landis was saying in nineteen eighty three. 606 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.440 And believe me, I am not without compassion in terms of somebody who was 607 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.880 traumatized by this. I think one of the most affecting things I'll ever see 608 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:35.880 in my life is when Mike Wallace ambushed Clint Hill after recording for a couple 609 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.360 of hours with him one week earlier, and then called and said, hey, 610 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.840 I think we had we missed some stuff where we had a technical problem. 611 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.679 Can you wear the same clothes you wore last week and meet me at 612 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:52.239 the Willard or wherever they shot it? And then he drops the ultimate question, 613 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:59.079 and you know, mister Hill was devastated beyond words. He was you 614 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:04.039 to borrow term from Alfred Bester. He was the demolished man. I mean, 615 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.920 he looked like Robert Oppenheimer before he quoted the Bag of Adita. He 616 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:13.679 was destroyed. And mister Landis, I believe, left the service not many 617 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.039 months after Dallas, so I'm not without compassion in terms of people who live 618 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.800 through a traumatic thing where time doesn't pass the same way. It's not perceivable 619 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:28.079 the same way. Reasoning is not something that is in action the same way 620 00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.920 as when you're not traumatized by something as it's happening and just unfolding. But 621 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:37.519 if there's a grain of truth to it, then that's interesting. And if 622 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.000 none of it is true, then we could say, well, this is 623 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.960 yet another example of somebody who comes up with a sensationalistic claim for the purpose 624 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.800 of drawing attention to the product, usually a book that they are hopeful you 625 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.280 will choose to spend your money on. Right now, on that exact point, 626 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.519 Alan, here's the thing. I did not get an advanced copy of 627 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.239 this one. I have gotten advanced copies of things from Simon and Schuster and 628 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.440 other publishers, and have had the opportunity to pour over the source material, 629 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.679 say before it's available to the public. As I understand it, the book 630 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.920 is not even fully available yet. It is out there for pre order, 631 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.719 although as per usual, people in the media have copies months in advance, 632 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.280 and some of us get it a couple of weeks in advance. Et cetera, 633 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.440 et cetera. And sometimes I get sometimes I don't. So I'll be 634 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.960 honest with you. I have not had the opportunity to go over the actual 635 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:36.559 material as it's released, so I can't say definitively what is useful, what 636 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.639 is not. And here's the other part of it. It could, indeed 637 00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:45.400 be that due to all the things you cited, or just the simple malleable 638 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:51.119 nature, if that is a word malleable, I believe rture of human memory 639 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:57.480 to begin with, it is not a verbatim recording device. It is subject 640 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:05.239 to revision regardless of circumstances at any given time as new information is added into 641 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.760 the memory. The mind works in an interesting way, and there are people 642 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.519 that spend all of their lives studying such things. Yes, sir, so 643 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.039 fair enough that there could be alterations here, fair enough that there could be 644 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:27.639 misunderstandings, There could be in good faith alterations of the actual event. There 645 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.639 could be a lot of things at play here. And without having witnessed the 646 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:37.320 entirety of the documentation that they present in this book, without having gone over 647 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.519 every single interview, I've gone over many, but not every single one. 648 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.840 And I had one I was going to queue up and play here. But 649 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.440 I don't even think we need it, given what we've been able to relate 650 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.760 here and what youtubo gentlemen have provided, I don't even think it's necessary. 651 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.880 Although I advised the listener to go ahead and take a listen out there for 652 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:57.480 yourselves. Here out what he has said in the past. Here out what 653 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.679 he's saying. Now read it for yourself, even if just an excerpt. 654 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:06.039 Make a judgment for yourself. But I would say that ultimately, yeah, 655 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.039 I have to come down on the side of this is premature. I think 656 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:15.159 a declaration of it being completely useless is not fair. Although, like you 657 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.239 said, if I had to press a button in the binary universe, I 658 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.079 probably press the same button you described. That's what I thought. I told 659 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.079 you to watch the Kriskin movie. It inspired me. You did. You 660 00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.599 did well there. But I don't think I'm hard to read either, So 661 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.519 it is what it is. May I share with you. I want to 662 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:36.679 interject very briefly. I'm looking at the Amazon and I know Larry will be 663 00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:43.400 thrilled to hear this because Larry's produced as you. As you pointed out at 664 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:47.039 the beginning of the program, Larry's produced an awful lot of valuable stuff that 665 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.159 if only people would read it, maybe a lot of these arguments would be 666 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:58.800 framed very differently. Absolutely so in this case, the Final Witness A Kennedy's 667 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.239 This is the title of the book book A Final Witness Colon A Kennedy's secret 668 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:08.000 Service agent breaks his silence after sixty years. So the reveal is built into 669 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:14.760 the subtitle of the book. It is already it's It will be released October 670 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:20.320 tenth of twenty twenty three. It is already the number one bestseller in the 671 00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:25.800 categories of US State and local history on Amazon. It is already as a 672 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:30.480 pre order, it's the number one thing. So I'd say, getting national 673 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.639 media attention that is covered in a way that that is somewhat sensationalistic, may 674 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:43.119 be intrinsically sationalistic, but it pays off. It looks like you know what 675 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.840 I mean, It pays off well when you have I certainly want to make 676 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:51.159 a disclaimer that I have no new book coming out for the sixtieth anniversary, 677 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.280 so you can read that however you want. Kind of like boys, this 678 00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:02.079 guy stupid, but no it all look if you've already what do they say 679 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:08.920 if you've already contributed to the art world. Why again pick up the chisel, 680 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:14.239 because after all, we have someone would have talked, we have nexus, 681 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.239 we have tipping point, we have the various things that you posted online. 682 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.039 For sure, plenty of work out there if somebody wants to see unidentified, 683 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:30.679 unidentified shadow warfare. Yes, in denial, awful, grace, surprise 684 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.920 attack. I mean, we can go on and on. Like I said 685 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.360 many spots on my bookshelf. I do wish, however, I really wish 686 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.719 if he is going to write that book though, that he would have written 687 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:49.119 it with I don't know, Jeff Morley, not just a ghostwriter. You 688 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.840 know. I don't want to diminish his contribution either, and I just think 689 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.519 it would have been what we have is. Obviously, aside from everything we've 690 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:02.280 just said, we have to face the fact that it was packaged and launched 691 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:09.599 and marketed as a book, not his history. He didn't go to the 692 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:19.559 Justice Department, he didn't go to I don't know. But it's not a 693 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:23.280 history. Yeah. So it's a product. It's a commercial product in its 694 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:30.920 most essential form. I will say it's been marketed successfully so far. It's 695 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.119 number one in its category, right I will say, at the very least, 696 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:39.679 though the ghostwriter had the decency to state in a couple of different interviews 697 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:47.559 to to really represent his lack of contextual knowledge regarding uh, the specifics here, 698 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.559 because he seemed to not have a grasp on exactly what was going on. 699 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.079 That's true, and he was up front about that and said, you 700 01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:59.679 know, well, I thought it was significant, but then I read it 701 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.000 and I went over to bed, and I thought this might be very secret. 702 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.320 No, of course, you know, maybe I'm cynical, but I 703 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:13.880 don't necessarily buy everything at face value on this subject, especially when it's being 704 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:23.280 served to us by elements of the governing media, which I am, you 705 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:28.639 know, sensitively skeptical about. So you know, if all the world's a 706 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:34.480 stage and there's there are actors in the theater, that is American popular culture, 707 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:40.119 which includes the way history is taught, how we teach history to ourselves 708 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.079 and to our children. I'm not I don't know anything about this guy, 709 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.880 James Robinoldt. In fact, Russ Baker earlier today was asking around has anybody 710 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.119 ever heard of him? Checked out? And what do we know? I'm 711 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:57.000 not aware of anybody that had anything substantive to contribute. So you know, 712 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:00.280 I mean, you don't have to see, you don't have to watch the 713 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:06.159 Forrest Gump thing to be a little bit skeptical about the way the message is 714 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:10.760 delivered. You know, for instance, in both the Vanity Fair piece, 715 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:16.480 which is by mister James, or James wrote Robin Alton, I apologize if 716 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:22.320 I'm not pronouncing it correctly, and the New York Times piece, which was 717 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.239 a hell of a piece by Peter Baker, who I think was a White 718 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:30.679 House correspondent for some period of time. You know, if you look closely 719 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:37.000 at the way things are framed, you will not see the word alleged before 720 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:45.079 the word assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. No, when you see a product of 721 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:54.000 this type being given primary space, let's say in and I'm saying space because 722 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.400 it would be space on a web page, it would be space on a 723 01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.000 video channel. It is space. It's real state, so to speak. 724 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:09.119 In the various media worlds, it's given a very very prominent spot, and 725 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:14.719 it's across the board, across the uh you know, the the the philosophical 726 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:20.360 and political divides. It seems to be universally being shown by corporate media in 727 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:27.559 this country. Immediately, I am suspicious of it because it is there generally, 728 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.840 I mean, they they what do they put forth most the things that 729 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.639 support them and the stories that they need to continue to tell for one reason 730 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:41.199 or another. So it is you know, why why did Tom Hanks, 731 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:47.280 you know, produce the CNN documentaries that all related to this case? Right 732 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.719 his company? I know it's not just him, but why was Tom Hanks 733 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.400 the most prominent name attached? Gary Getsman? It said, why was that? 734 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.800 Well? Because he was going to tell the story they wanted told that. 735 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.519 That's exactly why you hire anybody for that TV show they called the News. 736 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:08.039 They're going to tell the story the way you want it told, given 737 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.920 your agenda. Therefore, wait a minute now, I'm gone too cynical. 738 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.239 Look, we've already gone past an hour. So I want to just give 739 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.159 each you an opportunity if you want to say anything in parting here regarding this, 740 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:24.840 I really want to thank both of you for your excellent and really a 741 01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:30.880 textured analysis here where we've gotten a whole lot more than just a grand declaration 742 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:39.559 and an absolution or an absolute point that needs to be made and is being 743 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:44.559 stuck in people's spaces in a pointed way. You know, we're not having 744 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.920 that. And I really appreciate the fact that both of you took a considered 745 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:53.840 and measured look at this with me and went through it not only just about 746 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:57.840 the media and how it's been presented, but the context, the history. 747 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:03.159 Alan provided you some other background and hopefully we have given you the listener something 748 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:10.039 else to consider along with this bit of a flurry that you've been treated to 749 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.880 in the past few days. Regarding this and still, by the way, 750 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.719 as Alan said, even though it is already h in pre orders well ahead 751 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:25.360 on the sales charts, just because it's popular doesn't mean it is a So 752 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:30.079 well, we'll leave it at that, and I'll give I love giving Larry 753 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.519 the final word on this. So I have to give it to you first 754 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:34.880 now, and go on and tell me if you have anything you want to 755 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:38.039 say in parting, or you can say no, Chuck, I'm done things. 756 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.480 That's fine too. What it's up to you do I have a quick 757 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.000 moment. Oh wait a minute, Larry, Larry will leave it in first. 758 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:49.119 No, no, no, not at all. Oh no, that 759 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:55.400 wasn't my intent. I would certainly insist that Larry have the last word always 760 01:06:55.599 --> 01:07:00.920 yes. I simply wanted to point out that there is action that is that 761 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:06.440 is in motion. As strange as it seems, mister Landis is scheduled to 762 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:14.440 participate, either remotely or otherwise in the Decaye WET conference in the third week, 763 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:19.760 during the third week of November in Pittsburgh. That's I think Citizens Against 764 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:30.480 Political Assassinations collaboration with Decayne and the Wet Institute there and at that same at 765 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.400 that same event. I believe, I understand, and I don't think it's 766 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:38.239 premature, although I've been wrong before and I could be wrong now, that 767 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:45.800 there will there is discussion about a press conference which our dear friends Bill Simpach 768 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:53.840 and David Talbot and maybe Jeff Morley and perhaps others might have a little press 769 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:58.639 conference while they are on the scene there in the company of mister Landis, 770 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.880 if he indeed chooses or is able to participate in the third week of November. 771 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.559 Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this. I'm grateful 772 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:12.519 to you always. And Alan, you know something has circulated that you may 773 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:16.520 be participating in a conference in November as well. I'm not sure if that's 774 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:23.119 been confirmed, but something has circulated there is Do you want to say anything 775 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.560 about that or do you not know yet? I don't know much, Okay. 776 01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:31.239 My part, I serve as a you know, as an administrative research 777 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.079 assistant to doctor John Newman. And there are a lot of balls in the 778 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:41.000 air right now, and I believe I understand that we've been asked to contribute 779 01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:45.439 something and I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that we will do that. Whether I'm 780 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:47.680 able to be there in person, don't know yet, but I know we 781 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:53.720 have innumerable areas that we could elaborate upon in terms of doctor Newman's work. 782 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:57.640 And I hope that Larry is still here. Did I step on him? 783 01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.840 And you know I'm still here, Allan, And that's exactly where the way 784 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:08.920 we're listening in the program, it says something, yeah, okay, well 785 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:13.199 the way it is written, I've written some new songs Larry, so you 786 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.640 know, so that we'll have a darn good time. I've modeled the act 787 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.560 after the Smothers brothers. It's just me and doctor Newman, and Mom always 788 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:25.239 liked him best. That's what I told Gabriella. That's the way we need 789 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.520 to write it up. And either way, it's a win win for anybody, 790 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:32.720 because Alan is a damn fine drummer. So there you go, you 791 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.640 know, just saying, uh and and yeah, it is possible that there 792 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:42.720 may be a contribution according to what they're saying, that might have something to 793 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.560 do with Alan and doctor Newman at the Lancer conference. I am going to 794 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:50.399 be physically present, and uh, you know, if you're there remotely, 795 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:54.560 great, And if you're not there remotely and you end up there in person, 796 01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.600 only thing is you and I got to have a drink at least a 797 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.359 week better believe it. Yeah. So with that being said, Larry, 798 01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:05.319 who, hey, wait a minute, you've got something to do with this 799 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:10.800 conference also, So just pointing out, I would love to see that thing 800 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:15.359 at WEX and uh, you know, love to see a joint thing happened 801 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.239 with Landis and all that which Allan talked about. But I will be at 802 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:23.119 the Lancer conference. Uh, and I'm planning on taking the road trip there 803 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:29.159 and I believe Larry saw are you yes, indeed road trip with Rex Bradford. 804 01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:33.159 So we'll be in Dallas. And I guess I wanted to give a 805 01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:40.159 positive, upbeat like final comment, and that is quite frankly, I think 806 01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:45.199 it's a lot more interesting to go into November twenty second and the conferences with 807 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:53.359 the headline that says new revelations on Kennedy assassination than ho hum. Right, 808 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.920 okay, uh, this is this is not all bad. I mean I've 809 01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:03.359 seen headlines it's like Secret Service Agent Brains Warren Commission, you know, findings 810 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:08.720 into Doubt. Well, okay, I'll take that headline any day in the 811 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:12.399 week, right, Yeah. No, Look, it's a lot more positive 812 01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.119 a spin than I thought we were going to be confronted with, because previously 813 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:19.439 it was yes, some more records came out and nothing to see here, 814 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:26.000 folks, was pretty much the sentiment that I was getting in my mind from 815 01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:30.159 again our friends in the corporate media seemed like that was going to be the 816 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:33.000 headline. Here's the sixtieth year and look, we'll show you a quick film 817 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.439 clip of these conspiracy guys over here. But there's nothing really to see, 818 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:43.880 despite the fact that Joe Biden's been totally transparent, just like everybody else before. 819 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:51.600 But in keeping with this administration's policy of transparency, I am suspending or 820 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:58.119 ending the review process of the remaining records that are being held by federal agencies. 821 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.600 Yeah, and thank you very much. And you know, and why 822 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.680 we ask well COVID, you know, I mean, okay, gotcha. 823 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.560 Anyway, I don't I don't want to go into it too much. I'm 824 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:10.920 just saying with a straight face, I can't even finish the whole, you 825 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:15.439 know. But but it is it is necessary to remember that we could have 826 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.479 been coming into this worse and who knows what will happen in between now and 827 01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:24.239 then. But but I'm more than happy if people are asking questions and actually 828 01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:28.680 interested, and maybe a new flock of people goes, hey, CE three 829 01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:33.039 nine nine, that's the magic bullet. Huh, maybe it's what's Maybe there'll 830 01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:38.000 be new questions asked. I mean, it could be that that's ultimately the 831 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.239 best thing that comes out of this. And I want to look for the 832 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:45.119 bright spots. So again, tonight with me and for more than an hour. 833 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:49.479 Alan Dale, who has many hats and titles to wear, but he's 834 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:55.479 usually the guy really secondary in a lot of places, except when he authors 835 01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:00.439 a book, which again he focuses on conversations with well some but he was 836 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:05.000 probably one of the greatest walking indexes in the total time that I've been aware 837 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:11.760 of assassination research for sure. Malcolm Blunt he talks to in a book, 838 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.640 well, the Devil in the Details, and we've had a discussion about that 839 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.439 on this show, and I would urge people to go back in the archive 840 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:21.760 and take a listen to it, and who knows, maybe I'll rerelease it 841 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:28.000 again as we approach November. Larry Hancock again, what can I say? 842 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:30.760 If I take the rest of the time to list all of his books, 843 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.079 we'll be here for another hour. But all of them great, all of 844 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:39.640 them worthy of And I urge you to go to Larry Dash or Hyphenhancock dot 845 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:43.479 com. You can go over there see Larry's blog as he chooses to write 846 01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:45.600 it, and follow through and find out about the books. And if you 847 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:51.039 don't have them in digital or physical form, well you indeed are missing out 848 01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:56.800 about a lot of things that could be said and examined regarding the behavior of 849 01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:01.079 the national security state at all, and regarding a lot of things outside of 850 01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:10.119 the assassination and inside the assassination and all around it and as interconnected. So 851 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:15.079 you know, like Alan said, everything from UFOs unidentified to creating chaos to 852 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:20.039 surprise attack to g the JFK assassination, the Martin Luther King assassination, and 853 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:27.279 if you look online you'll see even more on RFK other issues. Co author 854 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:32.600 Stu Exler Oh Stu is possibly scheduled to do something regarding the Lancer conference, 855 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:36.319 and there's gonna be a lot of action this November. So I heard you 856 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:42.199 all to stay informed as much as you can handle, because there may be 857 01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.000 a lot of information to be had. So again thanks to Alan Dale, 858 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:50.000 Larry Hancock, and to all of you listening, because after all, I 859 01:14:50.039 --> 01:15:20.439 am merely o'celly, and all of you are indeed the effect mmmmm. 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Pick up your copy of In 912 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:43.560 Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical forel Jellowe dot com Radio network 913 01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:47.359 work revelation through conversation. Wait, look, I actually have a little offer 914 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.800 that I want to drop to everybody who's on here and anybody listening, if 915 01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.439 if you don't mind, mister Cooper, I'd like to take a minute and 916 01:19:54.720 --> 01:20:00.520 make a little offer and ask of everybody watching, listening and participating. No, 917 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:05.520 okay, Look, I am continuously building my little network and I've got 918 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:10.960 a twenty four seven radio station. Okay online, it's got a bit of 919 01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:15.640 reach. It's been interesting. I've had it running steadily without interruption for I 920 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.960 don't know, five seven years something like that. But here's the thing I 921 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:25.119 would love to get because some people are going to start paying to run things 922 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:29.239 on my radio station, but I don't. I'm not looking for money here 923 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:31.560 today. I mean, you know, I'll take it if anybody's got something 924 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.600 they want to give it up, but you know, because I could use 925 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:38.319 it, but I'm not looking for that right this minute. My offer is 926 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:44.600 simple. Actually, if you have short audios that you would like because you 927 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:49.319 have a presentation of tight five ten minutes worth of something that you think is 928 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:54.199 absolutely worthy of the world hearing. Okay, because I have listeners all over 929 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.840 the world to that radio station. They're not in huge numbers all at one 930 01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:01.960 time, but they're constant twenty seven. Every country you could possibly think of 931 01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:06.720 tunes into my radio station at one point or another. It's not huge. 932 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.920 It's not like, oh, I've got millions of listeners, but we do 933 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.119 have thousands, and we have thousands of people that tune in and catch Get 934 01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:17.840 Mad with Chris Graves and catch the replays and catch my show, which is 935 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.319 the Ochelli effect, and they catch the replace and they catch Aaron Fads as 936 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:25.840 the age of transitions. Pretty soon they're going to be catching the cult priestess 937 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:30.680 on there anyway. And I've got offers to other people to join us, 938 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.680 you know, working on it. But here's the thing, I don't care 939 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.520 if you're a podcaster, or if you're a musician, or if you're just 940 01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:41.800 somebody who's got some great thoughts that you take the world needs to hear. 941 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:46.000 Do me a favor, record them, make an MP three and send them 942 01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:50.079 on over to me. I want to start populating the stream for the next 943 01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:57.000 little while with stuff that I'm not charging anybody to run it's just good stuff. 944 01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:03.119 Send me your good stuffy blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com. Just 945 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:08.359 email it to me. All right. You got music. Maybe you're a 946 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.560 musician. Maybe you're a podcaster, and you want to do an ad for 947 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.279 your podcast because you want other people to listen. You haven't been a guest 948 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:16.199 on my show. Maybe you have been a guest on my show. I 949 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.119 don't care. Tell me together a couple of minutes. Tell me why people 950 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:24.399 should listen to you. Tell me why people should pay attention to something else. 951 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:28.600 Why should they pay attention to what's going on in congress? I don't 952 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:31.840 care. Send it over to me, Okay. I want to populate this 953 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:39.039 with anybody who's got good ideas. Okay, it is outside of the mainstream 954 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.800 for the next little while. We'll still run our replays, we'll still run 955 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:46.000 our regular shows. Okay, but I want to see what happens if I 956 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:49.319 open it to everybody. I'm not asking you to pay for ads. And 957 01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:51.960 again, you could do an ad for your podcast. You could do an 958 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:57.159 ad for your rock Finn channel. You can. I don't care. Send 959 01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:02.239 me something that is of interest, that moves information forward, that helps to 960 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:06.880 educate people, whether it's your project, your song, your poem, your 961 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:11.399 article you want. You're a writer, you like to write, read me 962 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:15.439 your article. Send it to me. Okay, do any of this and 963 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:20.399 send it to blind JFK researcher at email dot com. If you can't remember 964 01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:24.079 that, go to Shelley dot com. Click on the email thing there. 965 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:28.119 It might go to that email address. It might go to infoodocelly dot com. 966 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.640 I control both of those, so it doesn't matter. Email it to 967 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:34.159 me. I will play it, Okay, I'm not gonna say I'm gonna 968 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:39.119 play it a million times. If you want to make an arrangement to play 969 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:43.000 a commercial with me, I do have open handspace. But and I'm looking 970 01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:45.920 not to charge people a lot of money. If you're doing a small project, 971 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:48.079 we can customize it all that stuff, and we need support for the 972 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.439 network. Sure, but I'm not looking for money today. I'm looking for 973 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:56.359 your ideas. I'm looking for your voices. You want to be heard somewhere. 974 01:23:56.439 --> 01:24:00.239 You think you're not being heard enough places. Send it over to me. 975 01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:03.039 Send me a short piece of audio. Okay, don't send me videos. 976 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:08.039 I can't play videos on my stream. It's a twenty four seven audio 977 01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:11.840 radio station. Okay, and I'll be more than happy to add you to 978 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.880 the mix. I'm suspending. I usually don't like to have harsh slanguage on 979 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.399 my station. We're not going to bother with that because I'm no longer carried 980 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:23.720 on AM and FM. Fuck it, we're going Okay, bring it to 981 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:28.800 me. Iss you got and show me your good ideas. Show me your 982 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.760 good podcasts. Anybody on here. You guys all have some sort of podcast 983 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:35.920 you do. Send me an add for your podcast. Fine, you got 984 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:40.560 good ideas, obviously, you think, because that's what you're making. Send 985 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:45.000 me good ideas. Send me the good material, Send me the good places 986 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.720 to point people too. You've written an article you're proud of, read it, 987 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:51.439 send it to me. You wrote a song, you think it's great. 988 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:55.479 You're not gonna hit me for using it for copyright. Actually, I've 989 01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:00.399 got a license to play copywritten stuff on my online radio station. Me your 990 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:06.760 music, no problem, Original things that moved, ideas and reality forward that 991 01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:12.000 inform people, that educate them, that do some kind of good. Send 992 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:16.720 me your audio. I can't offer it any more open than that revelation through conversation