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Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders drags and
Air Force commander into her political circus,

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publicizing his resignation to push her religious
right wing agenda. After Colonel Peterson of

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the one to eighty eighth Air Wing
Arkansas Air National Guard resigned citing personal reasons,

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The governor in foreigned President Biden AND's
Secretary of Defense Austin that the military's

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pay leave program for abortion care compromises. Excuse me, the commander's religious beliefs,

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and it is their fault. Our
country is now weaker. With no

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official word from the colonel, we
are left with this political hack meddling in

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military affairs without any real regard for
the commander's situation. But isn't it better

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for a commander to step down when
they realize that their religious beliefs conflict with

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their duties. As the military grapples
with complex reproductive issues, Patterson's departure could

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highlight the clash between personal ideologies with
principles of service, while Sanders actions highlight

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her lack of professionalism and military prowess. The story is from Task and Purpose

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dot com by Jeff Shogel on January
third, twenty twenty four and Infidel.

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You and I have been talking about
this all week. You know, this

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is not the first time that we've
mentioned it. Actually, I brought this

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up to you to see if we
could talk about on the show, because

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as a service member, you know, I kind of take this a little

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bit personally, and before I get
into kind of my thoughts and opinions,

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I wanted to see your what yours
were on this topic. I do say

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that I think that Huckabee first did
a disservice to the military by saying that

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by trying to imply this or play
this as a as a role of lesson

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capability because of this resignation. In
no way do I see anything that would

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say that he is incompetent or anything
less than a perfectly good leader in his

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position. I do take issue with
the way he decided at this point that

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he just couldn't do this any further. I do feel that there was likely

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some type of motivation that made him
make a decision between his moral choice and

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his responsibility as as as a leader
that he was supposed to be. My

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problem is is that I don't see
where he made the big sacrifice. You

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know, when I when I look
back at examples, biblical examples of the

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boldness of Simon Peter or Saul or
Paul. You see someone to put something

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in the game. There was skin
in the game. It wasn't just something

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where Okay, well, I'm going
to lose some privileges of leadership, because

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he's definitely going to lose privileges of
the leadership, But ultimately, at the

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end of the day, he's not
going to lose his job. And I'm

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not saying he should, nor his
rank, but it's really not that great

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of a commitment for him to make
this decision. Now, it does annoy

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me that Huckabee, never to lose
an opportunity to score political points, is

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going to hop right on this.
I do think that this gentleman probably made

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this choice over abortion. I don't
think that's being misrepresented and and I do

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find a real problem with that.
But for Huckaby to then hop on this

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and some of the things that she
said are just absolutely ridiculous, talking about

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how this is a political decision.
Uh, you know, having this rule

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in a play where the federal government
allows the military to go to a state

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that's less restrictive. It's so dishonest
because I don't think people are going out

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there having abortions and for political reasons. That right there is just completely false.

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People are having an abortions for very
reasons of their own decision, their

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own decision to make, but ultimately
not a political choice. Was her as

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a political choice, yes, like
just about everything she does. So when

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it comes down to it, I
don't see him as an act of bravery.

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I think it's beth lethargy and in
action. You know, given up

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the awesome parking spot and all those
advantages. Isn't really making a commitment for

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life or whatever this is supposed to
be representative of. Now, when it

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comes down to it, I'm glad
at least this story is getting some recognition

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because I agree with you on the
point, Jimmy, that if there's a

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problem, if you have an issue
and you believe God's first, that is

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your right. But make that decision
the day they come into conflict, not

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the day it becomes inconvenient. And
that's what I feel like we have here.

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We have a grifter taking advantage of
a person who became a wilful pawn

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because it was no longer convenient to
ride with the status quo. So here

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I am. Look at me.
Woohoo. I'm not that impressed. Now,

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Helen, what about you? Where
you come from on this issue?

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What are your ideas? Well?
The first thing I thought when I read

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this article, well like, while
somebody wants to run for office, that

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was the first thing that popped into
my brain. And I could be wrong,

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but the timing of his resignation,
you know, he's a little you

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know, suspicion to me and deviating
and any proof of these claims that are

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rutten through my brain brain now,
But I'm just I'm just a little you

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know, hesitant to think that this
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It might, but the timing is
very odd. And like I said,

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I don't know his mind, but
I'm wondering on some level this might

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be a political stunt. He might
be standing up for his morals, but

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it can also be calculated at the
same time. And again, I don't

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know, but that's that was my
feeling when I first initially wrote read this

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article, And honestly, like,
I don't really care. If his ideology

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and his religion are that he has
an anti choice stance, that's fine,

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But I I just find this whole
thing a little weird, and I do

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have more to stay on this,
but I'm going to pass it over to

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Grant for now because I want to
get his reflections for me before I go

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into the rest of mine, and
I also want to hear what everybody else

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has to say. Sure, no
problem, I have I think a similar

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reaction. I initially when I read
it, I was focused on the serviceman,

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and then I read Jimmy's pre show
notes where he was sort of saying,

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Hey, is this Huckabee Sanders being
opportunistic? And that made me sort

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of rethink a little bit. But
when I was thinking about what I wanted

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to focus on, I did want
to focus on Huckabee and her sentence that

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she said she said quote. Colonel
Patterson was forced to personally choose between either

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continuing his command or adhering to his
sincerely held religious beliefs against abortion. He

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was forced to choose. This is
what Dan Dennet used to call a deepity.

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It's kind of a weird form of
it, but it's still a deepity.

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A deepity is something that it's a
statement to that to the extent it

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is true, it is trivial and
to the extent that it is significant or

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profound, it is false. So
here we have a claim that Peterson was

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quote forced to choose between continuing his
command or adhering to his beliefs. But

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to what extent was he forced?
He joined the military voluntarily. I assume

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you know, the Bible endorses conscription
and slave soldiers, but we don't do

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that. So it's a voluntary service. And he knew when he joined he

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would be prosecuted if by force,
if necessary, if he failed to obey

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the lawful orders of his chain of
command. So did he understand that,

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Of course he did. So was
he forced to make the decision? Well,

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in a trivial matter, yes,
he was forced to make a decision.

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He had to either follow orders or
he had the luxury because he was

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in the National Guard to quit,
and so he was forced to make a

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decision. Is that a profound thing. No, everyone in the military is

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constantly forced to make such decisions,
if they even have the luxury to quit,

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you know, Plus everybody in a
regular job does. If you work

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for a big chemical company you learn
that they've been dumping chemicals in people's backyards,

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are you are forced to make a
decision, So there's nothing astounding here.

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It goes I think to what Jimmy
was saying is he may legitimately have

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just said, I'm going to make
this choice to quit. I don't like

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what my employer's doing. I am
going to leave this job now. I

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do agree with Helen and Infidel to
say the timing was interesting. He knew

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he took his command five months after
this rule went into effect, so he

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knew what he's getting into, and
so he put his troops through a change

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of command only to five months later
have them go through another one. So

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that's a little bit suspicious to me. But I think the main focus of

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Jimmy's notes regarding Huckabe are really what
I want to go. The decision that

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he was making was between honoring and
oath he swore at the Constitution and walking

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away. It wasn't a decision between
honoring his oath and his religion, right,

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It's just not a big deal.
Quite frankly, that's kind of what

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I walked away with. In the
past, we have seen big deals.

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If you remember Kim Davis, the
Kentucky clerk who refused the gay couple a

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marriage license. She was in the
news this week. Ten years later,

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I think of court finally ordered her
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thousand dollars to the couple's attorneys,
after she'd already spent five days in jail

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and paid the couple one hundred grand
for using her position of power to enforce

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her personal beliefs on them. That's
an example further of somebody being quote unquote

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forced to decide. Yet we all
look at that and go, yeah,

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she did the wrong thing. The
couple could have come in said we want

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a license, and she could have
said I quit like this serviceman. But

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instead she used her authority to fight
it. So props to him, quite

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frankly, for walk away and not
dishonoring his oath and not soiling the constitution,

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And shame on Huckaby for taking advantage
of that honorable decision that he made.

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Well, is that where you're getting, Jimmy, I think so.

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Really. What I want to say
though, is that we wouldn't be talking

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about this at all had Sarah Huckabee
Sanders not jumped on the opportunity to take

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this man's personal life and drag it
out into the political arena. Now before

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I go any further. I just
want to acknowledge that because I am a

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military officer, that I am not
here to provide official comment, and I'm

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not here as a representative of the
government, the Air Force, or the

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Department of Defense. My thoughts and
opinions on my own, and those are

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that we don't even know if this
is even true. I mean, did

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he resign for this reason or is
that just something that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is

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saying because there is no official statement
from him, and he doesn't even owe

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us one right. He submitted his
resignation and cited personal reasons. Okay,

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Sarah Huckabye Sanders stood stepped in and
then dragged him before the President and the

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Department of Defense to use him as
a political pawn. But this is inconsistent

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with what we've seen, and like
you said, you know, not to

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downplay his contribution to our country and
his service. But it is just one

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colonel, and the military is not
set up in the way that if one

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colonel steps down from command that the
whole thing is going to fall. No,

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there is somebody else ready to step
in and to do their very best

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and to follow their orders. And
I actually would prefer that if this is

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even true, and that this commander
said, well, you know, these

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abortion rules, these paid leave rules
for abortion that the military has are really

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conflicting me, and I need to
step out of command. I commend him

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for that. Here's the thing,
though, he didn't even really quit.

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I mean, he's still serving.
He just couldn't command because of personal reasons.

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And that's all we know. But
Sara Huckabee Sanders stepped in to say,

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hey, everybody, look religion,
Look Democrats, and tried to turn

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this into something it's not because we
do know, unlike the commander, unlike

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the assessment that we could make saying, well, the timing's interesting. You

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know he might be he might be
gearing up for a political run. We

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have no proof of that. What
we do have proof of is Sarah Huckabye

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Sanders with her own political goals.
And I didn't see her about getting back

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to this thing being inconsistent when Secretary
of Defense James Maddis set down because of

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how we were treating our allies.
I don't remember her even lifting a finger

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about this. I don't remember her
raising a stink at all. This is

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the Secretary of Defense, as opposed
to one colonel in the International Guard.

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But this, this is what we
really need to follow. So you know,

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I have a little bit, a
little bit more I can say about

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this. I just as as somebody
in the military. While Sarah Huckaby Sanders

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stepped in to take advantage of this
situation, I want to take advantage of

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the opportunity to point out her disingenuine
disingenuity, dis ingenuousness I can speak.

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But anyway, those are my initial
thoughts. And yeah, I'll kick it

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over to Infidel to see if he's
got anything to follow up. I would

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put nothing past Huckaby if anything has
shown her to be king at bad decision

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making. Just look at the podium
she is stood behind at one point.

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That was she paid twenty thousand dollars
to the state of Arkansas, paid twenty

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thousand dollars for so she and of
course she lies about so consistently that there's

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no way I could ever get a
read on anything. You know, she

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said it in person, but yes, we only have her words, and

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we have no idea really other than
personal reasons. I am suspicious, but

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suspicion doesn't say definitively anything I can
be suspicious all day. But the truth

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is is that I do know one
thing, and that is is that while

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Huckabee talks about how important life is
and how important she how pro life she

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is. And this is somewhat of
Jason, but there's a guy who's been

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sitting in prison in Arkansas since nineteen
ninety one, Charlie Vaughan. He's illiterate.

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He missed a date to file some
paperwork because somebody else was convicted of

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the crime that he was convicted of, and it finally ended up on her

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desk as past Thanksgiving, and her
answer was essentially, ah, yeah,

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okay, yeah, you did miss
the paperwork. Too bad. You can

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try again in six years. So
that doesn't sound pro life to me.

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So with that in mind, pro
life is a game. It's a pawn,

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especially for a state that ranks eleventh
in prisons and has some of the

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lowest standards of livings of most many
third world countries. I mean, they're

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down there at the bottom of the
United States forty eighth and forty ninth and

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almost everything. We used to joke
in Louisiana that Arkansas and Mississippi existed,

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so we wouldn't be fiftieth and she's
consistently holding that. It's like they're doing

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everything they can to deny the ability
of people to change things. And you

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know, but you know, let's
let's let's make sure we're pro life and

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that somebody doesn't have the right to
decide what happens with their body. For

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me, it's just disgusting. And
Helen, since we're talking about Sanders,

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let me quote her. So she
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choose between either continuing his command or
hearing to his sincerity held religious beliefs against

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a portion Satah's wrote a letter first
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Because he adhered first to his faith
instead of overly political mandates, he voluntarily

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resigned his command. I am Colonel
Patterson for having the confidence of his convictions,

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but regret that our nation's military will
suffer the losses of dedicated airman,

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leader and guardsmen as a commander.
Well, I want to ask Sarah what

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is it? Was he forced or
did he voluntary resign or a policy that

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had nothing to do with him?
So, and I just find it kind

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of disgusting that she's using this for
her own political clout. She's dog whistling

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to all the Republicans, you know, and that oh these are you know,

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they're doing abortions in the military,
you know, and never going to

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be pro live, which I find
ironic in the military a little bit that

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you know, we're going to maybe
this is something we should look at,

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you know, if people are going
to serve that's this is what I see

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this, as you know, and
I feel this is more of a political

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stunt than really, especially on standard
size. I can't I can't know the

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Commander's you know, true thoughts,
and I said that at the beginning,

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but I do. I'm a little
sess, that's all, you know.

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But I'm really disgusted by the fact
of the way Sanders is using this just

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for you know, her own political
gain or whatever candidate she wants to support,

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and to also, you know,
now try to get people to think

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about what's going on in the military. You know, do we really want

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this, you know, blah blah
blah blah blah. Sorry, I agree.

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I think that the distinction between whether
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reasons or because he wants to go
get a book deal later on that I

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don't think that's as important. I'm
won over by Jimmy's arguments, and I'm

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also one over by the coverage that
it's getting. After Jimmy brought this up,

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I googled these stories just to see
how is the media treating this,

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and the conservative outlets are all have
headlines that say one hundred and eighty eighth

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Wing commander resigns due to Pentagon policy
regarding abortion. All of the neutral and

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liberal sources say Governor Sanders colon one
hundred and eighty eighth, when you know,

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they basically say Governor Sanders is says
that this happened, and that's what

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actually happened. The other the conservatives, the Fox News, the local Arkansas

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local, you know, five at
Live at five channels, are all just

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saying this as a fact, when
all the other, like legit news investigative

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reporters are saying, well, all
we know is that government Governor Sanders said

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this. The official statement from the
military is that he resigned his command for

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personal reasons. So again, I'm
won over by Jimmy's analysis. I think

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that in the end, I don't
really care. You know, if people

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go in and decide to do things
for their own personal beliefs. The point

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where I get into deep concern is
when they do the Kim Davis thing of

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I'm going to use my governmental prowt, the democratically imbued power that I have

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to attack people based on my own
personal beliefs and deny them their rights and

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lock them up and do things like
that. That's where I think we should

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be really concerned. So this is
to me and nothing Burger. It's a

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deepity. It's a cynical political move
by Huckebye Sanders, and nothing more.

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Jimmy, Yeah, I would I
would like to just give some closing thoughts.

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I think I have an obligation to
do this, and I really really

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feel this way. First of all, I just want to acknowledge that I

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owe my career as an officer to
a Muslim man, one of the best

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leaders that I've ever served with.
We serve together despite our differences. People

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look at the military and they think
that we are this kind of right wing

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arm of conservative politics. And that
may have been true earlier in history,

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but you know what, it's changed. Okay, we have transgender troops that

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we supervisor, or I certainly have
members of the LGBTQ community and members of

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all races, all faiths, and
we all put the uniform on and we

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really do our best. And there's
a lot that I could say. Honestly,

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our segment is aimed to be about
twenty minutes, and I could probably

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go much longer than that, but
I do just want to say that politicians

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need to stay out of our personal
affairs, need to stay out of the

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military's affairs. We have the luxury
and the expectation to be a political so

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let's just leave it. Letting us
be a political and do our jobs.

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That's what I'm going to say there. I have one follow up to that

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is that you are echoing. If
you remember Jen Peoples, a host of

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the Atheist Experience from long ago.
She served in the US Army for twenty

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six years. She retired as a
lieutenant colonel. She was, if I

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recall corrector, a helicopter pilot.
Described yourself as one of those foxhole atheists,

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and she herself had many stories of
serving alongside devotely religious people and all

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working towards the same goal, which
is, you know, protecting our country.

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So thank you, thank everybody else, thank you to Colonel Patterson for

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what he's doing. Doing it the
right way. So that's I just wanted

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to add that, so if you
wanted learn more about politicians getting into,

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you know, our business or in
them building nothing burgers. And also a

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wonderful things to our troops and what
they do for us, so

